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WarriorforMarie
08-15-2013, 05:29 PM
The one woman I love was an atheist. I could not bear to exist somewhere pleasant if she is in a place of suffering. If I understand correctly from these posts, I would either not remember her or not care if I was in the place where Muslims go when they die.
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Plz Answer Me
08-15-2013, 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
The one woman I love was an atheist. I could not bear to exist somewhere pleasant if she is in a place of suffering. If I understand correctly from these posts, I would either not remember her or not care if I was in the place where Muslims go when they die.
:thumbs_up

Thanks for replying. :smile:

May Allah guide us all.
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Signor
08-15-2013, 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by Plz Answer Me
Thanks for replying.

May Allah guide us all.
You have really read what he stated???^o)

Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
I will add Islam to the list of religions I will not embrace.
Peace be with you WarriorForMarie

I didn't taken any offense with what you said but like any follower of a religion,Muslims believe that they are rightly guided(we are not debating here who is right and who is wrong,so lets not take it that way Insha Allah). One of the core concept in Islam is believe in unseen and Its started when you start worshiping Allah only.This enhances our vision beyond the material sheet we found around ourselves so is our perspective of lifespan.Since you never joined claiming you wants to embrace Islam or researching Islam but only for a woman you loved(as a protector of weak)so I respect your opinion.But as a brother of humanity,I would like you to look in to various other teachings of Islam,maybe if you want this one intriguing,you will like another:)
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Iceee
08-15-2013, 07:06 PM
Salaam / Peace Be Upon You.

Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
The one woman I love was an atheist. I could not bear to exist somewhere pleasant if she is in a place of suffering.
Athiests don't believe in the afterlife am I correct? So this world is probably the pleasant place for you then? If that's the case, would you commit suicide if she died? Please don't :) We're all here for you Inshallah. Seek help if you please, and suicide is a sin in most religions. Inshallah you will overcome this burden in the future.


Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
If I understand correctly from these posts, I would either not remember her or not care if I was in the place where Muslims go when they die. That is too horrific to contemplate. This has made up my mind, I will add Islam to the list of religions I will not embrace.
You can't escape :D


Originally Posted by Plz Answer Me
Thanks for replying.

May Allah guide us all.
Ameen.
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WarriorforMarie
08-15-2013, 07:06 PM
Over five years ago the woman who was the love of my life. In the time immediately after her death there were two separate thoughts that were always on my mind. One was the depressing the thought that she had simply ceased to exist and that I would never be able to see her again. The other, partially conflicting thought was a worry that if there was an afterlife that she was in hell because she was an atheist. For a long time I struggled with these two thoughts, alternatively wanting one to be false and then the other and concerned about the implications of one of them being false because it made the other true.

For some time I searched for an answer about what awaits us after death. So far no representative of any religion has been able to provide an answer. In one way it was immensely disappointing because my despair about never being able to see her again was only reinforced. On the other hand, it is a relief. The inability of any religion to provide evidence is comforting.
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WarriorforMarie
08-15-2013, 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Signor
Peace be with you WarriorForMarie

I didn't taken any offense with what you said but like any follower of a religion,Muslims believe that they are rightly guided(we are not debating here who is right and who is wrong,so lets not take it that way Insha Allah). One of the core concept in Islam is believe in unseen and Its started when you start worshiping Allah only.This enhances our vision beyond the material sheet we found around ourselves so is our perspective of lifespan.Since you never joined claiming you wants to embrace Islam or researching Islam but only for a woman you loved(as a protector of weak)so I respect your opinion.But as a brother of humanity,I would like you to look in to various other teachings of Islam,maybe if you want this one intriguing,you will like another

Signor,

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I appreciate your position. I certainly have nothing against Muslims and their relationship with the deity they worship is their own. I also understand you mentioned the idea of looking into different teachings of Islam that might suggest something different.

However, the situation I face is that I do not want to risk ending up in a place different from where she went to. Maybe there are interpretations of Islam that would permit her to enter paradise. But what if they are mistaken and she is not but I became a Muslim anyway and ended up in paradise while she was someplace else? I can not take that chance.

Have a good day. :)
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WarriorforMarie
08-15-2013, 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by Iceee
Salaam / Peace Be Upon You.


Athiests don't believe in the afterlife am I correct? So this world is probably the pleasant place for you then? If that's the case, would you commit suicide if she died? Please don't :) We're all here for you Inshallah. Seek help if you please, and suicide is a sin in most religions. Inshallah you will overcome this burden in the future.



You can't escape :D




Ameen.

Hello Iceee,

Thank you for your kind comments. Do not worry. In the first year after she died I was very sad but I never seriously contemplated suicide. First, I didn't want to make the people who cared about me become sad. Second, I decided I would use the time I have left in the world to help others until I die myself.

Have a good day.
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Nur Student
08-15-2013, 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Hulk
Remember that the kafir is one who rejects Islam. So you must ask yourself whether your family members are actually knowledgable about Islam, I'm quite certain that the answer is no. Knowledge is when meaning arrives into the soul, I'm sure you've experienced it when you were learning about Islam. A lot of people's understanding of Islam nowadays is simply what the media feeds them, that is what they reject.
Nice approach! It is important to separate between whether they deny Islam as it is or the false Islam they know from the media.
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Hulk
08-15-2013, 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
The one woman I love was an atheist. I could not bear to exist somewhere pleasant if she is in a place of suffering. If I understand correctly from these posts, I would either not remember her or not care if I was in the place where Muslims go when they die. That is too horrific to contemplate. This has made up my mind, I will add Islam to the list of religions I will not embrace.
You would find that muslims are not the type of people who would willy-nilly say "so-and-so is definitely going to hell". Even if we might believe that someone might be an atheist all their life, it is still not in our place to say "that person's going to hell". We do not take such statements lightly and we also recognise that God knows best, not us.

It could be that an atheist dies not having heard of Islam all his/her life and the atheist's only understanding of religion is that which is of the Christian perspective which may be why he abandoned belief in a Creator. It could be that an atheist embraces Islam at the very last breath before they die, we don't know.

You are alive right now, and you are saying that you've decided that you will never embrace Islam based on a few posts you've just read without even bothering to learn more or clarifying anything. Is the truth not more important then any worldly/emotional attachments?

The fate of a non-muslim who is no longer alive rests with God, you are currently in a situation where you can learn to see if Islam is the truth. Don't dismiss it so easily, you might regret it. It might be that she is pardoned for not being introduced to Islam and granted Paradise and you on the other hand intentionally rejected Islam because of your lack of understanding.
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h-n
08-15-2013, 11:22 PM
First of all there is no need to talk as if Muslims have never had any suffering, had family/friends suffer from illnesses, had deaths, members of their family even rejecting Allah.

Allah created everyone, you would never have the inclining to imagine the person you loved unless Allah had already created them-you liked what God had created.

Everyone belongs to Allah! Not to you, even children are entrusted by Allah to parents. What atheists do is use up an excuse of not to be bothered about anything by saying Allah doesn't exist, its like saying I've made a mess in the garden-but just brush it off, as you want to continue to enjoy the life of this world.

Anyone who dies as an atheists go to Hell, they send themselves to Hell, it does not diminish God's Mercy as they send themselves there by their rejection, neither does it effect the Muslims, angels devotion to Allah.

On the Day Of Judgement all will be looking towards Allah, no one will care of each other, not a Mother for her child, as its about your personal relationship with God and not to anyone else (which of course people hold little value to). The person that you loved did not create you, God did, by saying that individual means more then all that God gave you including other people is completely wrong. We are very clear in Islam, a person that does not repent, goes to Hell, when they die they do not care, or think of you, only that they that should have accepted God as the angels have done.

Even people belittle everything their parents gave them to say they are going to toss it all away because of someone else, and they do such an enormity with God, when they say they don't accept him because of someone else- who did not give you life, who cannot help you, who does not give you food.

See you on the Day of Judgement with whatever path you choose.
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Alpha Dude
08-16-2013, 06:34 AM
However, the situation I face is that I do not want to risk ending up in a place different from where she went to. Maybe there are interpretations of Islam that would permit her to enter paradise. But what if they are mistaken and she is not but I became a Muslim anyway and ended up in paradise while she was someplace else? I can not take that chance.
Hell is an atrocious place. You only say now that you would want to be with her but if you knew how horrible it was after tasting a minute of it you would never in a million years wish to willingly go there. This is why on the day of judgement, it is mentioned that mothers will refuse to recognise their own offspring due to the concern they have for their own selves. On that day, it is every man for himself. Literally. Everyone who has ever died will be resurrected and made to answer for their creed and deeds.

At this moment, in this life, our spiritual eyes are tightly shut. We see things differently. On that day, our understanding of the true reality would be corrected. What we yearn for so much in this world will be insignificant, including our loved ones, as we await our fate.
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glo
08-16-2013, 07:27 AM
I am sorry about your loss, WarriorforMarie. I pray and trust that Marie is in a good place.

I am married to an atheist too and I know him to be a wonderful and caring and generous and supportive man, but simply one who cannot find it in him to believe in God.
Like you and many others I struggle with the concept of hell and non-believers.

But I am Christian, so it probably wouldn't be helpful for me to give you my own perspective - certainly not in the Clarifications about Islam section.

I hope that your pain of loss eases, but that your memories of Marie remain. And that you will find peace. :)
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Paprika
08-16-2013, 07:51 AM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
The one woman I love was an atheist. I could not bear to exist somewhere pleasant if she is in a place of suffering. If I understand correctly from these posts, I would either not remember her or not care if I was in the place where Muslims go when they die. That is too horrific to contemplate. This has made up my mind, I will add Islam to the list of religions I will not embrace.
One heck of a love you have, prepared to go to hell just for her. Lets hope that love will remain when you actually see hell, I'd rather not remember her than go to hell.
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WarriorforMarie
08-16-2013, 08:39 AM
Originally Posted by Hulk

You would find that muslims are not the type of people who would willy-nilly say "so-and-so is definitely going to hell". Even if we might believe that someone might be an atheist all their life, it is still not in our place to say "that person's going to hell". We do not take such statements lightly and we also recognise that God knows best, not us.

It could be that an atheist dies not having heard of Islam all his/her life and the atheist's only understanding of religion is that which is of the Christian perspective which may be why he abandoned belief in a Creator. It could be that an atheist embraces Islam at the very last breath before they die, we don't know.

You are alive right now, and you are saying that you've decided that you will never embrace Islam based on a few posts you've just read without even bothering to learn more or clarifying anything. Is the truth not more important then any worldly/emotional attachments?

The fate of a non-muslim who is no longer alive rests with God, you are currently in a situation where you can learn to see if Islam is the truth. Don't dismiss it so easily, you might regret it. It might be that she is pardoned for not being introduced to Islam and granted Paradise and you on the other hand intentionally rejected Islam because of your lack of understanding.

Hulk(!!!!)

You are right about the comments comment. What I should have said was if the comments were representative of the reality.

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. You make a good point about what if she were permitted into paradise because of not being exposed to Islam. This is an interesting idea. How much exposure to Islam would one need to have in order to be considered to have been exposed to it?
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WarriorforMarie
08-16-2013, 09:07 AM
Originally Posted by Paprika
One heck of a love you have, prepared to go to hell just for her. Lets hope that love will remain when you actually see hell, I'd rather not remember her than go to hell.
Believe me Paprika, I am not looking forward to such a prospect. But I can not leave her alone there.
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WarriorforMarie
08-16-2013, 09:15 AM
Originally Posted by glo
I am sorry about you loss, WarriorforMarie. I pray and trust that Marie is in a good place.

I am married to an atheist too and I know him to be a wonderful and caring and generous and supportive man, but simply one who cannot find it in him to believe in God.
Like you and many others I struggle with the concept of hell and non-believers.

But I am Christian, so it probably wouldn't be helpful for me to give you my own perspective - certainly not in the Clarifications about Islam section.

I hope that your pain of loss eases, but that you memories of Marie remain. And that you will find peace. :)
Hello Glo,

Thank you for your kind comments! It is a pleasure to meet you.:D

I hope that everything works out well for you and your spouse, both in this life and in the future.
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WarriorforMarie
08-16-2013, 09:20 AM
Originally Posted by h-n
First of all there is no need to talk as if Muslims have never had any suffering, had family/friends suffer from illnesses, had deaths, members of their family even rejecting Allah.

Allah created everyone, you would never have the inclining to imagine the person you loved unless Allah had already created them-you liked what God had created.

Everyone belongs to Allah! Not to you, even children are entrusted by Allah to parents. What atheists do is use up an excuse of not to be bothered about anything by saying Allah doesn't exist, its like saying I've made a mess in the garden-but just brush it off, as you want to continue to enjoy the life of this world.

Anyone who dies as an atheists go to Hell, they send themselves to Hell, it does not diminish God's Mercy as they send themselves there by their rejection, neither does it effect the Muslims, angels devotion to Allah.

On the Day Of Judgement all will be looking towards Allah, no one will care of each other, not a Mother for her child, as its about your personal relationship with God and not to anyone else (which of course people hold little value to). The person that you loved did not create you, God did, by saying that individual means more then all that God gave you including other people is completely wrong. We are very clear in Islam, a person that does not repent, goes to Hell, when they die they do not care, or think of you, only that they that should have accepted God as the angels have done.

Even people belittle everything their parents gave them to say they are going to toss it all away because of someone else, and they do such an enormity with God, when they say they don't accept him because of someone else- who did not give you life, who cannot help you, who does not give you food.

See you on the Day of Judgement with whatever path you choose.
Yes, I guess I will say you on the Day of Judgement. Hopefully you have chosen the right religion and the right version of that religion.
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glo
08-16-2013, 09:27 AM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
Yes, I guess I will say you on the Day of Judgement. Hopefully you have chosen the right religion and the right version of that religion.
I believe that on the Day of Judgement we will all be in the same boat - meeting our creator and having to give account for our lives.
I also believe that God understands our troubles and struggles and that he is merciful and forgiving. So there is hope for us all!

One thing I like about Islam, is that it doesn't give any guarantees. We are all dependent on God's mercy, even if we are following 'the right religion'.
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WarriorforMarie
08-16-2013, 09:29 AM
Originally Posted by Alpha Dude
Hell is an atrocious place. You only say now that you would want to be with her but if you knew how horrible it was after tasting a minute of it you would never in a million years wish to willingly go there. This is why on the day of judgement, it is mentioned that mothers will refuse to recognise their own offspring due to the concern they have for their own selves. On that day, it is every man for himself. Literally. Everyone who has ever died will be resurrected and made to answer for their creed and deeds.

At this moment, in this life, our spiritual eyes are tightly shut. We see things differently. On that day, our understanding of the true reality would be corrected. What we yearn for so much in this world will be insignificant, including our loved ones, as we await our fate.
You are right Alpha Dude. Hell is a truly terrible place. I can't leave her in that place alone. Of course, even if I didn't want to I am likely to end up there regardless of what I do. No matter which religion I choose I am likely to be choosing the wrong one, just from a statistical perspective. Even if I sought to avoid hell I could end up there.
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sister herb
08-16-2013, 10:12 AM
Actually, no living soul right now can´t to be sure, if your Marie will enter to hell or not... Only Allah knows, as we say.
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WarriorforMarie
08-16-2013, 10:16 AM
Originally Posted by sister herb
Actually, no living soul right now can´t to be sure, if your Marie will enter to hell or not... Only Allah knows, as we say.
Your comment seems to me to be the closest thing to truth that a person can speak about this topic.
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Signor
08-16-2013, 10:31 AM
Originally Posted by Paprika
One heck of a love you have, prepared to go to hell just for her. Lets hope that love will remain when you actually see hell, I'd rather not remember her than go to hell.
If the person is looking for the truth so that if it was revealed to him he would accept, then this person will not go to hell forever.

They may enter hell for a while to be cleansed form sins - just as any sinful Muslims would also, but they would not live in hell for ever and would be admitted into heaven after they are purified. Only the purified can enter heaven as it is a place of purity.

As for those who are adamant to the truth, and are not looking for the truth, and even when the truth has become manifest to them they disbelieve in it, then these people can never enter paradise at all.

So we cannot take the position of Allah (swt) and judge anyone and say this person is going to hell or not.

And perhaps,its in your knowledge or not,the responsibility of spreading the truth i.e Islam fall upon the shoulders of this Ummah after Prophet-hood has ended.And an advice not for anyone but myself first,I always feel guilty that we are not doing what we are supposed to do.
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Insaanah
08-16-2013, 01:08 PM
WarriorforMarie, you repeatedly refer to the woman you love as an atheist but of which religious viewpoint are you yourself now, and how about prior to her death?

Do you believe in a Creator? If so, do you believe that He is the Most Just, the Perfectly Just?
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WarriorforMarie
08-17-2013, 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by Insaanah
WarriorforMarie, you repeatedly refer to the woman you love as an atheist but of which religious viewpoint are you yourself now, and how about prior to her death?

Do you believe in a Creator? If so, do you believe that He is the Most Just, the Perfectly Just?

My religious viewpoint is one of uncertainty. I do not know if there is a Creator. I was like that before her death. After
she died I looked for information on all religions. I hoped that I could find out where she had gone. I wanted to believe,
I desperately wanted someone to convince me. Unfortunately I was not able to find any convincing argument for
any particular religion.

As for whether a Creator would be just, I have no information to form an opinion. If there is a creator the only thing I
feel I could give commentary on is quality of the universe he created.
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Abu Zainab
08-17-2013, 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by Hulk
It might be that she is pardoned for not being introduced to Islam and granted Paradise and you on the other hand intentionally rejected Islam because of your lack of understanding.
Bingo!! You nailed it bro.
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Signor
08-17-2013, 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
My religious viewpoint is one of uncertainty. I do not know if there is a Creator. I was like that before her death. After
she died I looked for information on all religions. I hoped that I could find out where she had gone. I wanted to believe,
I desperately wanted someone to convince me. Unfortunately I was not able to find any convincing argument for
any particular religion.

As for whether a Creator would be just, I have no information to form an opinion. If there is a creator the only thing I
feel I could give commentary on is quality of the universe he created.
Hello WarriorforMarie

Ever gave a thought on the following questions:

Where did I come from, and where am I going?

What is the purpose of life?

What is the relationship between man, life and the
universe?

What is the link between life and what was before life, and what is
after life?


If you did,would you like to share them please:)
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greenhill
08-17-2013, 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
For some time I searched for an answer about what awaits us after death. So far no representative of any religion has been able to provide an answer.
This is hardly surprising as death is a one way street. There's no coming back to tell the story of what awaits us on the other side. So if we are heavy on the thoughts of this subject, we may go crazy as there are no facts that can be proven without doubt. We just have to accept death as being the end of life as we know it.

As you correctly pointed out, there must be a 'truth' only it is hard believe which one is it?

My thoughts for you will be to cherish the moments you had with her, be thankful that your paths crossed, that your life was enriched that much more as a result of knowing her and that you had a chance to share a part of your life with this amazing person. You still owe yourself a life too. Don't let it end with Marie(?)

We, as muslims have to put our faith in Allah. He IS the All Knowing and everything else. He created us, He gave us all our senses, He gave us free will. He gave us life to test us and our mind to ponder. ABout the "not remembering or care for her if you were in a place where muslims go when they die'' is someone's narration of what it may be as you searched for answers everywhere. Would you based your life long savings on an opinion such as this? It may be right, but it may be a whole host of other scenarios.

Peace
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Pygoscelis
08-18-2013, 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
Signor,

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I appreciate your position. I certainly have nothing against Muslims and their relationship with the deity they worship is their own. I also understand you mentioned the idea of looking into different teachings of Islam that might suggest something different.

However, the situation I face is that I do not want to risk ending up in a place different from where she went to. Maybe there are interpretations of Islam that would permit her to enter paradise. But what if they are mistaken and she is not but I became a Muslim anyway and ended up in paradise while she was someplace else? I can not take that chance.

Have a good day. :)
You post as if you get to choose what reality is. If Allah is real and the muslims are correct, do you seriously think you get to decide it isn't so and somehow change reality? I agree with you that it would be awful if true, but if it is true, then its true.

If you are looking to theologans, holy books, etc, you don't get to decide what they'll say, and if you are going to reject them based on them not being what you'd like to be true, then why look to them in the first place? If you just want to believe what you find the most comforting, Why not just convince yourself of whatever your ideal wish is? Does it matter if others believe what you do?

And speaking as an atheist who has religious loved ones, who have worried about the same sort of things, I find it very loving that you feel that way. I remember refraining from telling my grandmother I was atheist (she was fire and brimstone type of christian) because I knew she would worry about me going to hell, etc. I think this just shows that you are a good and loving person. I do worry about those who seem to relish in non-believers going to hell. There are too many of that sort and not enough of you. There is a strange paradox that atheists live in regards to loved ones. On the one hand people trying to convert us to their religion is annoying and a bit disrespectful. On the other, it shows they truly care. I've never been able to sort that one out in regard to how I should feel.
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glo
08-18-2013, 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
And speaking as an atheist who has religious loved ones, who have worried about the same sort of things, I find it very loving that you feel that way. I remember refraining from telling my grandmother I was atheist (she was fire and brimstone type of christian) because I knew she would worry about me going to hell, etc. I think this just shows that you are a good and loving person.
That was very sweet of you. :)

I do worry about those who seem to relish in non-believers going to hell. There are too many of that sort and not enough of you. There is a strange paradox that atheists live in regards to loved ones. On the one hand people trying to convert us to their religion is annoying and a bit disrespectful. On the other, it shows they truly care. I've never been able to sort that one out in regard to how I should feel.
Yep, that's a tricky one!
Just shows that we all love you really. :)
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WarriorforMarie
08-18-2013, 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Signor
Hello WarriorforMarie

Ever gave a thought on the following questions:

Where did I come from, and where am I going?

What is the purpose of life?

What is the relationship between man, life and the
universe?

What is the link between life and what was before life, and what is
after life?

If you did,would you like to share them please
Well, I have thought about these things. But I have no clear opinion.
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WarriorforMarie
08-18-2013, 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by greenhill
This is hardly surprising as death is a one way street. There's no coming back to tell the story of what awaits us on the other side. So if we are heavy on the thoughts of this subject, we may go crazy as there are no facts that can be proven without doubt. We just have to accept death as being the end of life as we know it.

As you correctly pointed out, there must be a 'truth' only it is hard believe which one is it?

My thoughts for you will be to cherish the moments you had with her, be thankful that your paths crossed, that your life was enriched that much more as a result of knowing her and that you had a chance to share a part of your life with this amazing person. You still owe yourself a life too. Don't let it end with Marie(?)

We, as muslims have to put our faith in Allah. He IS the All Knowing and everything else. He created us, He gave us all our senses, He gave us free will. He gave us life to test us and our mind to ponder. ABout the "not remembering or care for her if you were in a place where muslims go when they die'' is someone's narration of what it may be as you searched for answers everywhere. Would you based your life long savings on an opinion such as this? It may be right, but it may be a whole host of other scenarios.

Peace
Thank you for your wise and kind words Greenhill. You are right, I know. I know Misty would want me to be happy.

But I can't. I feel like I failed her. My life is now dedicated to helping others and fighting for causes she cared about. Through Kiva I help women in the developing world build businesses. I fight ignorance and intolerance. When some people in Murfeesboro wanted to prevent the local Muslim community from building a center I wrote letters to the local elected officials trying to explain there was no threat from the Muslim community.

I have sworn never to be with another woman, because my heart belongs to her only.
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glo
08-18-2013, 07:51 PM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
Through Kiva I help women in the developing world build businesses.
Kiva rocks!
If anybody has a spare $25, consider this charity. :)

(Sorry, back to the topic now)
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Pygoscelis
08-18-2013, 07:53 PM
Thanks for the reminder. I had a bunch of completed Kiva loans with money waiting for reloan. Kiva and Doctors without Borders are my two charities of choice.
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Insaanah
08-18-2013, 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
I do not know if there is a Creator.
Thank you for your reply.

If you were walking through a forest, and in the middle of the forest came across a small clearing, and in the middle, was a perfectly and beautifully made wooden table with chairs, would you come to the conclusion that:

a) the table and chairs had evolved into table and chairs from the trees over millenia
b) The right size and shape pieces of wood sawed themselves off the tree, screws and nails and hammers magically appeared to fix the pieces together
or c) that somebody had come along, chopped down a few trees to clear the area, then sawn off pieces of wood from tree trunks and used tools such as hammer and nails to put the table and chairs together. In other words, the table and chairs had a maker.

You might say, yes C, but the table and chairs could have had several makers. One held the wood while other cut. However, that is because there is imperfection and weaknesses in humans , they need help from each other. They could also have squabbles and disagreements. None of this is befitting the Creator of the universe.

It may be that you don't think c is the answer, but to me it is, clear as day. So what of the universe around us. The galaxies and solar system. The night and day, the sun and moon and stars, plants and animals, fruits, our own creation, our languages and colours, just to name a few. Signs of a Creator all around us. The Qur'an repeatedly asks us to reflect, ponder, consider, give thought to this.

If we cannot believe that a table and chairs evolved or magically came into existence by themselves, and they are simple planks of wood, then how can we do so for the complex and fascinating universe around us? The systems within our own bodies?

Once we believe there is a Creator, then which is the best belief to have about that Creator? How do we view Him, what do we believe about Him, how do we worship Him? And how would He convey the aforementioned to us?

The answer is, that throughout history, he has sent a succession of prophets and messengers to people throughout the ages, to convey His message to them, and with guidance to show people how He wants them to live and worship Him. They were the purest and noblest of humanity and were not divine in any way. God sent all the prophets with the same message and not different messages. The message was: to submit wholeheartedly to God and worship Him and Him alone, without any associates in, or parts to, His Exclusive Divinity, and to obey the prophet. They taught that people should be under no misperception that they can commit themselves to God as their Lord, and then combine this with accepting others as their Lord, or associating others in His Divinity, in whatever way. They taught that we should strive hard to translate our belief in the One True God into practice, by obeying God and the messengers He sent, who were also role models and examples for us, showing us practically how to put the guidance they were sent with into practice in our daily lives, explaining the scriptures, warning against wrong-doing, and giving additional legislation from God.

Islam is not a new faith but is the same Ultimate Truth that God revealed to all prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them). Thus Islam is not named after a specific person (like Christianity, Buddhism) nor after a certain race or place (like Judaism, Hinduism), but is named by God Himself, and the meaning loosely translates as 'submission to God', which is what every Prophet and their righteous followers did, from amongst all times, all races and all peoples. That in itself is one fraction of the evidence that it was the way of all the Prophets from the beginning.

However some of their teachings got forgotten/distorted, sometimes people began associating others in God's Exclusive Divinity, so other messengers were sent, culminating in the final messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him). The scripture God revealed to him, the Qur'an, is fully preserved, with no word coming from any human. It is unchanged and will remain so, as God has promised to preserve it. This is why there is no need now for any new messenger as the scripture is, and will remain, in tact. So Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the messenger for now til the end of time.

I'll keep this brief and not go on too much, but will end with a few snippets of the concept of God in Islam:

  • There is only One God. He alone should be worshipped. He is our Creator, Sustainer, Cherisher, and Lord.
  • He does not beget, nor is He begotten. He has no sons, daughters, siblings, parents, cousins, or relatives of any sort.
  • He is eternal and does not die.
  • He does not depend on anyone/anything yet we all depend on Him. He is free of all want and need.
  • There is nothing like Him. He is all Hearing, all Seeing, all Knowing, all Powerful, Incomparable, the Creator of the Universe.
  • He did not and does not, dwell in human or animal bodies, nor are there any incarnations of Him. He is not mixed up in His creation in any way.
  • He is not composed of persons, nor a trinity. There are no secondary, lesser, greater, equal, or multiple gods, no intermediaries, and no denying of God's existence either.
  • There are no sharers or associates or persons or parts whatsoever in His exclusive Divinity. Simply, He is One, in every sense.


I hope that has given a brief glimpse of why I believe and know Islam to be the truth, and the only truth. The essence of Islam is what always was, and has always been, the true and natural religion; the way of all the Prophets, the original and only message.

There cannot be lots of contradictory truths, nor does God change His mind and give different people different messages. Nor when delivering the message, did the messengers leave people in the dark as to the right way to worship God, so that each person should do what they personally think is the best way. The straight path is only one.

I know you are busy helping everyone, but you also need to take some time out and think about yourself. Imagine a student, has exams coming up, but spends lots of time helping others and doing so neglects himself. He might feel good that he's helped others, but if he fails his own exam as a result, that isn't very wise. Help others, of course, but also while you're at it, re-evaluate and reassess the basis for your own beliefs and doctrines. And it is that to which all people are invited by the Qur'an. Your beliefs regarding God, and which faith you follow, are the biggest, most serious and most important decisions you will ever make, as this life will end one day for all of us, and our position regarding God and His messengers is what makes or breaks our hereafter, which is forever.

Please let me know if you'd like clarification/further information.

You also asked elsewhere about a person who died not having being exposed to Islam. You may find this link helpful in that regard: http://islamqa.info/en/1244

Peace.
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Insaanah
08-19-2013, 07:01 PM
To add more with regards to why I believe and know with complete certainty Islam to be the truth, an increase in knowledge and education, and scientific discoveries, provide further evidence that it is the truth. It is only right that if words are from the One who created the Universe, and nobody knows more about it then He, that those words should be in harmony with the workings of nature.

The enormously vast universe has been the object of curiosity since time immemorial. Greek philosophers, including Aristotle, believed that the Universe had always existed and would continue to do so eternally. This was also the mainstream view in scientific circles at the beginning of the 20th century, aptly known as the 'steady state theory'.

An eternal state of the universe meant that there was no inherent need for a Creator - for what does not have a beginning does not necessitate a need for a cause. However, advancements in science would shatter this view and fundamentally prove that the Universe had a beginning.

In 1922, physicist Alexander Friedmann, produced computations showing that the structure of the universe was not static and that even a tiny impulse might be sufficient to cause the whole structure to expand or contract according to Einstein's 'Theory of General Relativity'. George Lemaitre was the first to recognise the implications of what Friedmanm concluded. Based on these computations, Lemaitre declared that the universe must have had a beginning and that it was expanding as a result of something that triggered it. He also stated that the rate of radiation could be used as a measure of the aftermath of that 'something'.

The theoretical musings of these two scientists did not attract much attention and probably would have gone ignored except for new observational evidence that rocked the scientific world in 1929. That year, American astronomer Edwin Hubble, made one of the most important discoveries in the history of astronomy. He discovered that galaxies were moving away from us at speeds directly relative to their distance from us and from each other. The universe, long considered static, was expanding.
Stephen Hawking writes, 'The expansion of the universe was one of the most important intellectual discoveries of the 20th century, or of any century.'

Since the universe is constantly expanding, were we to rewind a film [of its history], then necessarily we would find the entire universe was in a joint state, referred to by some as the 'Primordial Atom'. Many scientists and philosophers resisted the idea of a beginning to the universe because of the many questions that it raised - primarily what or who caused it. However, with Penzias and Wilson's discovery of microwave radiation emanating from all directions, possessing the same physical characteristics - namely petrified light which came from a huge explosion during the first seconds after the birth of the universe - left little doubt about the fact that the universe had a beginning.

For fourteen hundred years, since the revelation of the Qur'an, Muslims had been reading and reciting the verses:

'the Heavens and the Earth were united [in a single state] and We tore them apart.' [21:30]

coupled with

'...the Heaven We constructed with might, and indeed, We are [its] expander.' [51:47]

Let's take mountains as another example (out of very many examples).

A book entitled Earth (1986, Frank Press and Raymond Siever) has been a basic reference textbook in many universities around the world. Professor Emeritus Frank Press was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots. These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like a peg.

This is how the Quran has described mountains. God has said in the Quran:

Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs? (Quran, 78:6-7)

Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century.

Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth. They hinder the shaking of the earth. God has said in the Qur'an:

And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you... (Quran, 16:15)

Likewise, the modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.

Nobody during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) have known of the true shape of mountains, or imagine that the solid massive mountain which he sees before him actually extends deep into the earth and has a root. A large number of books of geology, when discussing mountains, only describe that part which is above the surface of the earth. This is because these books were not written by specialists in geology. However, modern geology has confirmed the truth of the Qur'anic verses.

These are just two examples. The Qur'an also talks about embryonic development, the origin of the universe, the cerebrum, seas and rivers, deep sees and internal waves, clouds, the water cycle and other facts, all proved true. And perhaps some not yet "discovered". As a result of these, a number of scientists embraced Islam by reading the Qur'an and realising that it was not from any human being, but from the One who created the universe.

The Qur'an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists, and contains no scientific errors. This proves without doubt that the Qur'an must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), and that the Qur'an was not authored by Muhammad (peace be upon him) or by any other human being. This also proves that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is truly a prophet sent by God.

The first word in the Qur'an, was an imperative ('Read!') addressed to the Prophet, linguistically immediately making the authorship of the text outside of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This is maintained throughout the Qur'an. It talks to the Prophet or talks about him, and does not allow him to speak for himself. The Qur'an describes itself (over 200 times) as a book that God 'sent down', conveying the concept that the Qur'an is from above and that the Prophet was merely a recipient. God is the one to speak in the Qur'an. The Prophet is addressed, 'O Prophet', 'O Messenger', 'Do', 'Do not do', 'They ask you...', 'Say', (the imperative form of the word 'say' is used in the Qur'an well over 300 times).

It supersedes the previous scriptures, while being a continuation, confirmation and culmination of the original message contained within them, in its last and final form. It has no versions or editions. Millions of people from all over the world have it memorised and they all recite word for word the same thing. There are no versions or editions, as there are with other scriptures. There is only one Qur'an. 100% God's word. Unchanged by any human. It's message is as applicable to the scientist in his laboratory today as it was to the Bedouin in the desert. It is as applicable to a man in a paddy field, as it is to a man in Silicone Valley. To everyone. People need to open their eyes, hearts and minds. To ponder and reflect, as the Qur'an encourages us to. The truth is clear. As it should be.

Peace.
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