format_quote Originally Posted by
h-n
When quoting from the Quran it is best to read it first-if you can't understand that one simple thing, then what do you understand, when have you seen Muslims reading up on the hindu idols and making stories and insults and jokes about Ganeesh, Krishna etc??? Why should we read and make up stories about idols?? AS of course they would be thinking about doing it with God, but again no Muslim would wish to read up on the abhorrent claims.
Agreed. No Muslims should waste their time on reading up on useless claims, because we know what is falsehood.
format_quote Originally Posted by
h-n
As Muslims WE OPPOSE IDOL WORSHIP IT IS ABHORRENT, AND WE TELL OTHERS THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS DISGUSTING. We oppose evil and enjoin what is good. We're not going to simply say ooh its just something that we don't accept as if someone is offering you a cup of tea.
Yes, we reject idol worship. But I don't see how this connects with learning about evolution.
format_quote Originally Posted by
h-n
Read on the basics of Islam, before jumping up and down telling people to accept evolution when the scientists don't understand it themselves, nor do they understand how this world was created, as God didn't give you the knowledge of how many people were sleeping in the cave beside the dog, what makes you think he has given you the rest of the details of how this universe was created?? Listen to how far wrong you are, saying to recognising Allah better??? Miracles of creation will open up to you, when you have not any communication with the next world, your acting as wrongdoers, when its not about being religious, but about arrogance and looking and desiring things that have NOTHING to do with you, not everything that Allah has created has to be known by humans. Its rather like scientists which look towards how the universe is related to humans, rather then Muslims accepting that this is a relationship between Allah and his creation, we weren't witnesses to Allah creating the angels, and the heavens. You are far astray with what you say, telling Muslims to accept in evolution when not even the scientists all agree, telling the Muslims that you think the clusters have something to do with the heavens were you have no knowledge only conjecture. IDLE CHIT CHAT.
Read on the basics of Islam? I know the basics. The basics tell me that I should learn about the universe and ponder over the signs of Allah.
2:164 Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
3:190 Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for men of understanding,-
3:191 Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.
6:97 It is He Who maketh the stars (as beacons) for you, that ye may guide yourselves, with their help, through the dark spaces of land and sea: We detail Our signs for people who know.
6:98 It is He Who hath produced you from a single person: here is a place of sojourn and a place of departure: We detail Our signs for people who understand.
6:99 It is He Who sendeth down rain from the skies: with it We produce vegetation of all kinds: from some We produce green (crops), out of which We produce grain, heaped up (at harvest); out of the date-palm and its sheaths (or spathes) (come) clusters of dates hanging low and near: and (then there are) gardens of grapes, and olives, and pomegranates, each similar (in kind) yet different (in variety): when they begin to bear fruit, feast your eyes with the fruit and the ripeness thereof. Behold! in these things there are signs for people who believe.
7:185 Do they see nothing in the government of the heavens and the earth and all that Allah hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what message after this will they then believe?
10:3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?
10:4 To Him will be your return- of all of you. The promise of Allah is true and sure. It is He Who beginneth the process of creation, and repeateth it, that He may reward with justice those who believe and work righteousness; but those who reject Him will have draughts of boiling fluids, and a penalty grievous, because they did reject Him.
10:5 It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand.
10:6 Verily, in the alternation of the night and the day, and in all that Allah hath created, in the heavens and the earth, are signs for those who fear Him.
13:2 Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
13:3 And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil o'er the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider!
13:4 And in the earth are tracts (diverse though) neighbouring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand!
16:10 It is He who sends down rain from the sky: from it ye drink, and out of it (grows) the vegetation on which ye feed your cattle.
16:11 With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily in this is a sign for those who give thought.
16:12 He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the sun and the moon; and the stars are in subjection by His Command: verily in this are Signs for men who are wise.
16:13 And the things on this earth which He has multiplied in varying colours (and qualities): verily in this is a sign for men who celebrate the praises of Allah (in gratitude).
16:14 It is He Who has made the sea subject, that ye may eat thereof flesh that is fresh and tender, and that ye may extract therefrom ornaments to wear; and thou seest the ships therein that plough the waves, that ye may seek (thus) of the bounty of Allah and that ye may be grateful.
16:65 And Allah sends down rain from the skies, and gives therewith life to the earth after its death: verily in this is a Sign for those who listen.
16:66 And verily in cattle (too) will ye find an instructive sign. From what is within their bodies between excretions and blood, We produce, for your drink, milk, pure and agreeable to those who drink it.
16:67 And from the fruit of the date-palm and the vine, ye get out wholesome drink and food: behold, in this also is a sign for those who are wise.
16:68 And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations;
16:69 Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought.
16:79 Do they not look at the birds, held poised in the midst of (the air and) the sky? Nothing holds them up but (the power of) Allah. Verily in this are signs for those who believe.
20:53 "He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
20:54 Eat (for yourselves) and pasture your cattle: verily, in this are Signs for men endued with understanding.
21:30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
21:31 And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.
21:32 And We have made the heavens as a canopy well guarded: yet do they turn away from the Signs which these things (point to)!
26:7 Do they not look at the earth,- how many noble things of all kinds We have produced therein?
26:8 Verily, in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe.
27:86 See they not that We have made the Night for them to rest in and the Day to give them light? Verily in this are Signs for any people that believe!
29:44 Allah created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): verily in that is a Sign for those who believe.
30:8 Do they not reflect in their own minds? Not but for just ends and for a term appointed, did Allah create the heavens and the earth, and all between them: yet are there truly many among men who deny the meeting with their Lord (at the Resurrection)!
30:20 Among His Signs in this, that He created you from dust; and then,- behold, ye are men scattered (far and wide)!
30:21 And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.
30:22 And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours: verily in that are Signs for those who know.
30:23 And among His Signs is the sleep that ye take by night and by day, and the quest that ye (make for livelihood) out of His Bounty: verily in that are signs for those who hearken.
30:24 And among His Signs, He shows you the lightning, by way both of fear and of hope, and He sends down rain from the sky and with it gives life to the earth after it is dead: verily in that are Signs for those who are wise.
30:25 And among His Signs is this, that heaven and earth stand by His Command: then when He calls you, by a single call, from the earth, behold, ye (straightway) come forth.
30:26 To Him belongs every being that is in the heavens and on earth: all are devoutly obedient to Him.
30:27 It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. To Him belongs the loftiest similitude (we can think of) in the heavens and the earth: for He is Exalted in Might, full of wisdom.
30:28 He does propound to you a similitude from your own (experience): do ye have partners among those whom your right hands possess, to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Do ye fear them as ye fear each other? Thus do we explain the Signs in detail to a people that understand.
30:29 Nay, the wrong-doers (merely) follow their own lusts, being devoid of knowledge. But who will guide those whom Allah leaves astray? To them there will be no helpers.
45:3 Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe.
45:4 And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered (through the earth), are Signs for those of assured Faith.
45:5 And in the alternation of Night and Day, and the fact that Allah sends down Sustenance from the sky, and revives therewith the earth after its death, and in the change of the winds,- are Signs for those that are wise.
45:6 Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
45:13 And He has subjected to you, as from Him, all that is in the heavens and on earth: Behold, in that are Signs indeed for those who reflect.
50:6 Do they not look at the sky above them?- How We have made it and adorned it, and there are no flaws in it?
50:7 And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
50:8 To be observed and commemorated by every devotee turning (to Allah).
50:9 And We send down from the sky rain charted with blessing, and We produce therewith gardens and Grain for harvests;
50:10 And tall (and stately) palm-trees, with shoots of fruit-stalks, piled one over another;-
50:11 As sustenance for (Allah's) Servants;- and We give (new) life therewith to land that is dead: Thus will be the Resurrection.
51:47 With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
51:48 And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: How excellently We do spread out!
51:49 And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
67:3 He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?
67:4 Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.
80:24 Then let man look at his food, (and how We provide it):
80:25 For that We pour forth water in abundance,
80:26 And We split the earth in fragments,
80:27 And produce therein corn,
80:28 And Grapes and nutritious plants,
80:29 And Olives and Dates,
80:30 And enclosed Gardens, dense with lofty trees,
80:31 And fruits and fodder,-
80:32 For use and convenience to you and your cattle.
These are 70 verses of the Qur'an that are focused on telling the believers to reflect over the various creations of Allah. Everything is included in these. Furthermore, there are verses which tells us to visit the habitations of the people of old. Archaeological digs found many other civilizations uncovered who were idolaters that were destroyed by Allah. Did not Allah say that most of the civilizations that are gone now from the past used to be idolaters, and He brought our attention to that? Without the recent sciences and advances in research in human history, we would not have known this.