format_quote Originally Posted by
bijoor2
Am I comitting a shirk ..?
The short and simple answer, is yes.
In my previous post, you read and acknowledged this:
- There is only One God. He alone should be worshipped. He is our Creator, Sustainer, and Lord.
- He does not beget, nor is He begotten. He has no sons, daughters, siblings, parents, cousins, or relatives of any sort.
- He is eternal and does not die.
- He does not depend on anyone/anything yet we all depend on Him. He is free of all want and need.
- There is nothing like Him. He is all Hearing, all Seeing, all Knowing, all Powerful, Incomparable, the Creator of the Universe.
- He did not and does not, dwell in human or animal bodies, nor are there any incarnations of Him. He is not mixed up in His creation in any way.
- He is not composed of persons, nor a trinity. There are no secondary, lesser, greater, equal, or multiple gods. There are no intermediaries, including no praying through or invoking of the dead, no matter how pious they were. And no denying of God's existence either.
- There are no sharers associates, persons or parts whatsoever in His exclusive Divinity. Simply, He is One, in every sense.
To believe in anybody as God, even in a supreme god plus a multitude of lesser gods, classes as associating others in Allah's divinity, i.e. shirk. The idolaters of Makkah at the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) believed similar. One supreme God (Allah) plus lesser deities. That was the shirk in its clearest form, and it was this that God sent the messengers to eradicate, and to show them the truth.
format_quote Originally Posted by
bijoor2
Thats so odd....Muhammad was a creation of Allah...All humans are a creation of Allah.....And we cannot convey our messages to the person who is enlightened or in soul conciousness [means a person who has replaced his body mass i.e. his flesh into soul mass or the soul which itself is Allah.Eg:- Jesus was not hurt while he was crucified because he embodied "cosmic energy" in his body which energy itself was Allah...Also about association I think the messengers of Allah any like Jesus,Muhammed,Krishna and Ram were one among the 1,25,000 prophets sent by Allah to the face of earth are the right people to convey our message to Allah if we cannot convey it directly to HIM.And about idol worship rejection of Islam....It says Allah cannot be found in any Idols..He is formless ...Its right I agree ..Same in the Vedas of Hindus.."Na Tasya Pratimah Asti"...Param Atma(Supreme God) or Allah is Formless....But in the Quran no where it is mention that he cannot take any form ....He has so powers that he can take any form and be in those idls too...
format_quote Originally Posted by
bijoor2
No I didnt mean this.I am like a research oriented kind of person.I would never like to be a person of a system or religion like Hindu or Islam or Christianity...I am trying to find HIM as he is one and only one God to all the religious beliefs out there be it Islamic beliefs or Hindu beliefs....I know we cannot see him as he formless... But these messangers embodied Allah in themselves....These messangers replaced their body mass and flesh into soul consiousness where the soul energy was Allah...Also they were a creation of Allah .My question was Is it a shirk if we pray to messengers to convey our messages to Allah if we cannot convey him directly ?
Having informed you about God, now I will tell you about the Prophets and messengers of God.
Allah did indeed send succession of prophets to people throughout the ages, to convey His message to them, and with guidance to show people how He wants them to live and worship Him. These messengers were the purest and noblest of humanity and
were not divine in any way.
They were human beings, known for their uprightness and noble character. They were not God, nor did God live in them, nor did they embody God. Muslims believe in all the prophets God sent, and do not reject or blaspheme any of them, from Adam, to the last and final prophet, Muhammad, peace be on them all. God sent all the prophets with the same message and not different messages. The message was:
to submit wholeheartedly to God and worship Him and Him alone, without any associates in, or parts to, His Exclusive Divinity, and to obey the prophet. They taught that people should be under no misperception that they can commit themselves to God as their Lord, and then combine this with accepting others as their Lord, or associating others in His Divinity, in whatever way (be that God having a son, God dwelling in human or animal bodies, praying through the dead, having lesser Gods plus a supreme God - all of these are associations of others in Allah's exclusive divinity). They taught that we should strive hard to translate our belief in the One True God into practice, by obeying God and the messengers He sent, who were also role models and examples for us, showing us practically how to put the guidance they were sent with into practice in our daily lives, explaining the scriptures, warning against wrong-doing, giving good tidings, and giving additional legislation from God.
So Islam is not a new faith but is the same Ultimate Truth that God revealed to all prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them). Thus Islam is not named after a specific person (like Christianity, Buddhism), nor after a certain race or place (like Judaism, Hinduism), but is named by God Himself, and the meaning loosely translates as 'submission to God', which is what every Prophet and their righteous followers did, from amongst all times, all races and all peoples. That in itself is one fraction of the evidence that it was the way of all the Prophets from the beginning.
With time, the message got forgotten or corrupted. So people started worshipping other gods along with Him, made idols, said that God begot a son, said that certain people were incarnations of God, some rejected belief in God altogether, while others elevated the status of some prophets to divine, or at the other end rejected or blasphemed some of the prophets. Whenever God's message got distorted by people, or forgotten, a new messenger was sent, not with any new or changed message, but reinforcing the actual message that God sent all the messengers with, the actual core beliefs that people were taught from the beginning of humanity, confirming the true parts of previous teachings and scriptures, and correcting wrong beliefs and misconceptions that had crept in. God required that whenever He sent a new messenger, that messenger should be followed along with any new scripture given to him. This chain of messengers culminates in prophet Muhammad (peace on him), who is the last and final prophet and messenger. Since his prophethood, Gods message is available unchanged and unadulterated, for the entire world, until the end of time. He wasn't sent as prophet and messenger for a specific group of people and specific time (e.g. as Moses and Jesus were to the Children of Israel), but he was sent for all the world, for all time, until the Day of Judgement. Thus he is the last, not first, prophet of Islam; a messenger to all mankind, for now, and for all time to come.
Please note, as I mentioned earlier, we have no intermediaries between us and God. We pray to God directly. We do not pray through anybody else. Our relationship with God is a direct one. Anyone who prays through a messenger, believing the messenger can somehow help him or convey his prayer to God, is committing gross shirk.
You say you are trying to find HIM, but then you are worshipping others along with Him.
The same way we would not be receptive to the idea that anybody other than our mother gave birth to us. We didn't see our own birth, yet we know who our mother is, even if we bear no resemblance, and nobody else can come along and say actually, this is not your mother, somebody else is. The same way, we know who our Creator and God is, and nobody else is our Lord and Sustainer but He. Nobody else is worthy of adoration and worship and submittance but He. The truth is one, and the truth is clear.
If one of a married couple were asked to be intimate with someone other than their wedded spouse, or alongside their spouse, would they be open minded and receptive to it? Such a thing would be considered offensive and wouldn't even be entertained. The mere suggestion that one should be unfaithful to one's spouse is ridiculous. Yet when it comes to our creator, people say everything is him and start worshipping others along with Him. This is the most greivous and serious sin.
We are faithful to other human beings, but the one who deserves the most faithfulness, is none other than our Creator Allah. No human being can do for us what He has done and continues to do. We are faithful to him without any associates in His Divinity. And it was this, worshipping Him alone, that all the messengers called. A rejection of idolatry in whatever form it might take.
And we invite you, to join the straight path. Reject this multitude of other gods, and worship Him alone. And believe in and obey His last messenger Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
Peace.