View Full Version : Israel - A failed “State”

07-28-2014, 05:21 AM
Firstly verses from the Quran;-

2:83 And (remember) when We made a covenant with the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none save Allah (only), and be good to parents and to kindred and to orphans and the needy, and speak kindly to mankind; and establish worship and pay the poor-due. Then, after that, ye slid back, save a few of you, being averse.

2:84 And when We made with you a covenant (saying): Shed not the blood of your people nor turn (a party of) your people out of your dwellings. Then ye ratified (Our covenant) and ye were witnesses (thereto).

While they say they are God’s chosen people and rightful heirs of the land they;-

Accept homosexuality
Accept playing boyfriend/girlfriend
Accept dressing immodestly
Talk about a secular nation
If they give anything to charity-how can it mean something to those who kill the poor, the orphans and make the lives of others difficult?

Then they needn’t have bothered to try and build a state in a holy land.

They like to say Muslims don’t like the western lifestyle and that is why the Western world are being attacked to try and bolster support for anti-Muslim sentiments. No Muslim would ever fight against people just because they don’t want to be religious, why should we complain on what Allah has allowed people to choose either be evil or good? We do not. But as above we hate the hypocrites, people who lie, lie and lie.

So in jewish law where does it say to accept homosexuality?? Where does it say that males and females can have a relationship outside of marriage?? They wish to tell people that they rather accept people who be lewd rather then the Palestinians then they drop bombs to kill the Palestinians so they can continue with this lifestyle.

There are of course jewish people who do not accept the Israel government, who have refused to fight for Israel, we have jews ie from Iran who refused to go to Israel. So its important to see the Israel government as unreligious, not god fearing. As how can anyone fathom standing on the Day of Judgement being responsible for;-

- murdering not only 1 person, but, 2, 5, 100, 1000
- bulldozing people’s homes
- stealing people’s lands
- intimidating and making people’s lives uncomfortable to try and get them to leave
- torturing people,
- restricting their movements

Allah has stated;-

2:91 And when it is said unto them: Believe in that which Allah hath revealed, they say: We believe in that which was revealed unto us. And they disbelieve in that which cometh after it, though it is the truth confirming that which they possess. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Why then slew ye the prophets of Allah aforetime, if ye are (indeed) believers?

As above, how can they try and say that the Muslims are not true to worshipping the God of Ibrahim, David, Solomon peace be upon them??? When we worship the one God, sacrifice animals as Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him had done.

If anyone truly believed in the one God, they wouldn’t be attacking Islam, this is the basic test ie when people refused to even listen to the Prophets even though they were being told to accept the one God, believe in the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. How can anyone who truly believed in God, attack anyone who simply mentions the above and say to them that they are the owners of Hellfire for simply saying what all the Prophets of taught us.

2:111 And they say: None entereth paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. These are their own desires. Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful.

2:105 Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture nor the idolaters love that there should be sent down unto you any good thing from your Lord. But Allah chooseth for His mercy whom He will, and Allah is of Infinite Bounty.

Money, money, and money.

If you gave someone a million dollars, to improve upon their life, and if they failed to do so, anyone wouldn’t bother giving them anymore funding, and well, be very upset that all their money was wasted.

There is mention that Israel receives about 3 billion in aid from the US per year. They also wish for the US to fund everything from their weaponry systems, to fund trips to Israel, even jewish resettlements, to helping youth have a relationship with Israel.

Let us go back to the trial of Prophet Job peace be upon him, after being inflicted by Satan, he was cured. Now after being cured, Satan couldn’t go around and say, if only I had made him suffer a bit more, then I could have won, if only I could have done such and such a thing. So in addition to Israel committing so many sins, they are insulting everyone’s intelligence. You have all the money, and all the weaponry you could have possibly asked for, its not because you didn’t have enough funding/weaponry, its because victory does not belong to evil doers. This is where Allah allows evil doers to have so much to teach them that whatever they think they possess of value will not help them against truth and from the fires of the Hell in the hereafter.

Take a look at what they were saying about Hezbollah, the people in Israel were complaining that Hezbollah were well armed-so basically they only wish to fight someone who doesn't have any weapons, which is why they don't actually bomb Iran yet, as they too busy asking others to do it for them, or getting others to be dragged into the war.

Frankly they pay the “elite”, politicians, other influential people and even pay jews to live in the holy lands. So in order to get support, you have to pay, pay and pay-what does that really say about them? It says that they don’t have any genuine support. They were so pleased and thought they were doing well, because they had “influence” over the politicians. Now they want keep up their propaganda to try and get support from the masses (who largely don’t want to care about what goes on in Israel), people have their own problems too, ie helping elderly, disabled etc. At least the Palestinians don’t have to pay the rest of their Muslim brothers and sisters for support.

Richard Mellon Scaife at 82 years old died on the 04/07/14. He supported the David Horowitz centre which ran the website jihad watch fuelling anti -Muslim sentiments. We’ll all be seeing him on the Day of Judgement and they can see how much they have earned in the fires of Hell.

If they really had so much support they wouldn’t need to use propaganda. A rough timeline on events;

1. The Zionists are surrounded by the Muslims, now what they wish is for it to make it everybody else’s war, (so they can have support), as no one in the western world largely cares about Israel, to read up on it, wishing to hear about it, they wanted the western world to be in conflict with the Muslims which would add support to the Zionists. So after Sep 11 the Zionists were very happy.

2. After the failed wars of Afghanistan and Iraq, and using the lives of non-Zionist soldiers, they are really back to square zero-they hadn’t achieved nothing after Sep 11, the heightened anti-Muslim sentiments they had hoped to bolster support isn’t there, do you see the masses personally chipping in funding for Israel to buy weapons to kill Palestinians? No the money is taken from the masses in the form of taxes and business profits. If people deny that Israel has been a cause of many conflicts around the world, then why don’t they simply look at why they have so much funding from the US government and businesses??? Why would they do that?? There are those who wish to say they agree with Israel because they don't like the Muslims, well that's not because they support the zionists, as they could be any group, again you don't see people giving a portion of their life savings to help pay for Israel's weapons.

3. They tried to sell Israel as a modern nation, that people from the western world can relate to. But all you have is a government who doesn’t act like a government that all civilians can trust, but act like gangsters locking up people, murdering people. So how can they be treated as a civilised government? To be critical of Islamic countries isn't could enough as they are not the ones selling themselves as a modern nation to the west.

4. They even are willing to get support by Christians groups, even though they wouldn’t really be willing to give Christians citizenships in Israel, or accept Prophet Jesus peace be upon him and frankly for people who have received the book to rely on idol worshippers is a bad thing, a bad thing indeed.

5. Another thing they like to say that no one wants the Palestinians- of course there is a difference between the masses and and the leaders in the Arab countries. Even though of course Jordan has already accepted many Palestinians, why don’t they stop butting into Muslims taking charge of a country with religious beliefs, and then will see what they would do for the Palestinians or not. At least the Palestinians don't have to pay the rest of the Muslims to support them.

6. Islam spread and Muslims desired to live under an Islamic law, it wasn’t about Muslims taking over countries and then forcing anyone to be Muslims as that is against Islam. There is much mention of war booty, everything belongs to Allah, when Allah destroys evil doers, are they saying that no one can build over that land? No one can use their horses, and camels etc?? Women had a choice to get married to Muslims, they weren’t raped and forcibly taken there is even a reference of women refusing to get married.

7. As above if you cannot win a war with all the resources you had, then you never going to win.

8. All that they are doing, is acting like any other evil doers, they do not wish for anyone to have any thing good. Just like those who get jealous of anyone successes, they wish for all the Muslim nations to have nothing good.

9. They have lived largely not as a stable nation, as they keep needing funds and have support from the US, so its rather like Afghanistan and Iraq recently where they say if they don’t have any financial support from the US, then their governments would easily be toppled.

We don’t’ have swords on the necks of people and force them to pray five times a day, to fast in the month of Ramadan, to use the life savings to travel to Mecca.

Apostasy laws are for Muslims, and an easy explanation is that there is nothing acceptable after belief, what more for example should Satan have to get him to be good? There is nothing, and likewise that Allah has mentioned in the Quran of the table spread, when Prophet Jesus peace be upon him asked for food from heaven, Allah agreed, but stated that if anyone chose disbelieve after seeing this sign then he will punish them as he never punished anyone before. You are in this world to be tested, when you have had everything in your test, you don’t expect to get anymore. There are issues today were people call themselves Muslims by name only and do not be religious.

But as above Islam is a religion perfected, there is not difference in saying as if you were in Paradise that you don’t believe accept Islam-as you don’t deserve anything after that. There are Muslims who may become westernised -and that is there choice, as not many places do apostasy laws, but they may think they will be treated the same as a non-believer-but Allah is NEVER treating them the same as a person lets say who grew up as an atheist. As in Islam we tell people about Islam, but we don’t need to people who turn their backs on it.

Those ex-Muslims have largely proven themselves to be after money, and westernised lifestyle. And as above they don’t actually reach the masses, as why should they care, frankly people in the US/UK have enough on their plates by way of working, paying bills, childcare etc. So those ex-Muslims and others who jump on the Zionists bandwagon to be anti-Islam in way of getting money, actually serves both parties right. For example I find when I sometimes search on Islamic matters, anti-Islam websites prop up, so what if largely Muslims just happen to stubble on them and not lets say non-Muslims who probably don’t usually search on Islam as much?? These webpages also would never discourage a Muslim from the words of Allah.

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

As above, how can you say you are God's chosen people, when you are not forbidding evil and enjoining good?? If you are not living by your own religious laws. They complain that the Muslims say that they have corrupted their texts, when out of their own mouths they say there is no Hell and Satan is not evil but doing God's work. They do agree that Jews in the past did believe in Hell, but now they say its because they listened to pagan beliefs-but who are they to say this, where is their proof??

People only want to reject Hell, as they are made to believe its uncomfortable, as why should a Merciful God punish people. The answer is that God has never made a mistake by creating anyone, just because they choose to do evil, doesn't mean that they can get the Lord of the Worlds to undo what he had done. They wanted to do evil, now go and taste your punishment in the fires of Hell. They refused to give peace, respite to people, even day and night intimidating people in their own homes, so they shouldn't have any peace in the hereafter.

Just as the people at the time of Prophet Noah peace be upon him and the homosexuals at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him were being evil until they were destroyed, we are not expecting Zionists and other evil doers to repent, and stop being evil. Instead of spending time marching and protesting to governments who have done nothing about Guantanamo bay, invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, we should be praying to Allah and asking his help and for his intervention, and to support the poor around the world with aid and not listen to governments war mongering. We need to be patient and remember that that all will be brought forward on the Day of Judgement. Pray to Allah and not let evil doers dictate your actions, so no one should be attacking jews as lets not forget one of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him (Abdullah Ibn Sailam), and even an old mention where someone went up to a jewish individual and asked how to be successful in the hereafter to treat people as you yourself would like to be treated. Remain steadfast in Islam, and do not let tumultuous events ever stop people from truly praying to Allah Almighty.

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07-28-2014, 10:16 AM
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07-28-2014, 01:50 PM
Thanks for the pictures/videos, I've seen the one with the satellite picture of conflict, but not the others.

Its heartbreaking what they are going through. Its shameful for people who have received the Torah could do this, when there are other people that have been quicker to make peace. Its no different from someone killing relatives etc to gain their property. How can people live with themselves. What they want is little to what is in Paradise. If after all their ploy to appear as a civilised government, this is what they can come up with, they have failed in their attempts to blame Hamas for their indiscriminate bombings. As you are responsible for who you kill on the Day of Judgement and not anyone else. They clearly treat everything that they are just going to remain and live here. Even if they were to get rid of all the Muslims, what makes them think that Allah would not destroy them? Even in Jewish law why would they not be punished?? They say an evil thing were treating judaism as a race were, when King David, Solomon, Moses peace be upon him came they didn't say, my message is for the jewish people only. Even Allah stated;-

8:54 (Their way is) as the way of Pharaoh's folk and those before them; they denied the revelations of their Lord, so We destroyed them in their sins. And We drowned the folk of Pharaoh. All were evil-doers.

Also what good have they sided with when they still charge interest;-

2:275 Those who swallow usury cannot rise up save as he ariseth whom the devil hath prostrated by (his) touch. That is because they say: Trade is just like usury; whereas Allah permitteth trading and forbiddeth usury. He unto whom an admonition from his Lord cometh, and (he) refraineth (in obedience thereto), he shall keep (the profits of) that which is past, and his affair (henceforth) is with Allah. As for him who returneth (to usury) - Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.

To remember that Allah loves those children more then their parents and near kin.

To remember what Allah has stated;-

5.8 O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.

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