France: Offensive Cartoons Fine, Hijabs Not Fine.

[aflawedbeing]

Can We Trust France's 'Freedom' When Hate Cartoons Are OK and Hijabs Are Not?

Let's call a spade a spade here, shall we? What happened at the offices of Charlie Hebdo last Wednesday was a grotesque act of savagery and murder. What happened at the same offices before the attack in the name of cartoons and satire wasn't anything short of extremely offensive and demeaning either. Demeaning not towards just Islam, but almost all religions of the world and also towards values we as humans uphold.

After the attack there was a natural outpouring of sympathy on social media for the victims of this attack and against the religion of Islam with hashtags and cries ranging from the immediate need for immigration reforms in Europe to outright #killallmuslims. Most people from Pakistan jumped on the reactionary bandwagon on either side and cried either for censorship of such speech or waxing lyrical over how "Charlie Hebdo" was the paragon of free speech and a French institution with a luminous and glorious history.

The point I am trying to make is twofold.

Firstly, there is no sane reason for killing anyone over a cartoon or a satirical piece and I am not going to interject this statement with a yet or a but either. Even if examined under Shariah law, the "state" is supposed to give due punishment for crimes and not "individuals."

However, what constitutes free speech in the world of Charlie Hebdo needs to be examined as well before we start banging the drum for the imminent war of civilizations or the "us vs. them" narrative all over the world. Charlie Hebdo was responsible for cartoons which were sexist, misogynist, demeaning and would meet the demands of any hate speech standard in our world.

The question I'm asking is: Why are we supposed to adhere to the French standard for satire, or support it? I say this because I find cartoons making fun of Islam just as demeaning as those making fun of Lord Ganesh or Buddha or Jesus Christ. We can blare the trumpets of free speech all we want but the fact of the matter is that although we do not adhere to the same systems of morality all over this world, we all do believe in a commonality of what is within the bounds of reason. Tomorrow, if someone started distributing child porn and called it his protest for free speech or his method of pushing our boundaries, at least I wouldn't stand for it. Would you? Hence I will never say #JeSuisCharlie.

Secondly, 37 people were just killed in a terrorist attack in Yemen last week to little or no coverage by the international media -- primarily because that attack does not feature in the "us vs. them" narrative. Same with the Peshawar attack on school children, although in the case of the Peshawar attack the citizens of the world did unite with us for a few days at least contrary to their media.

Nobody wants to believe that Muslims are the target of these terrorists more than any other race or religion in the world. We have the numbers to prove it, and yet we are somehow supposed to feel guilty for their attacks? Who in the West feels guilty for that grand operation in Iraq, I ask? And that too by their military -- not just a rogue terrorist group.

We as a world need to understand and question exactly how a country's barometer for "freedom" is fair when the right of a Muslim woman to wear hijab is not sacrosanct but the publishing of hate cartoons is? Where anti-Semitism is a crime but anti-Muslim is not? I think France needs to examine closely what constitutes "freedom" for them or whether their intensity for secularism both historically and now is even at pace with the existing population of more than five million of their own Muslim residents or their rights.

As for apologizing for Al Qaeda or ISIS or any other nutso group that has got it in their mind to start or attempt any other barbaric attacks -- this savage is all out of apology for others' insanity.

#againstallterrorism #withallhumanity

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/faisal-...b_6456024.html

You know, for all the rattling on I've heard over the last few days about freedom and how we need to be respectful of 'unlimited' freedom of speech and freedom to offend - this is actually an excellent point.

[Abz2000]

It seems like a false flag anyways, but we must be careful to bear in mind that reviling the Messengers of Almighty God carries capital punishment in the absence of repentance -depending on the situation of course.

Let's not forget that the Real Ruler is God in our liberal efforts to be accepted by humans - lest God causes us to forget ourselves, then we'd be Al Faasiqoon. not equal are the companions of hell and the companions of Paradise, the companions of Paradise are the successful.

A recommended watch is little stuart who's really eager to please people - and who's cat is really eager to please people, but he realises the real situation when the other cat falls over holding his tummy laughing - a rat with a pet cat lol.

You swear to your mother that you're living in equality,
but you forget your brother that's living her apology.

[Abz2000]

Did i read hijab correct?

The french have places where being nude is compulsory.

There are several categories of nude beaches:

Beaches where nudity may be compulsory, subject to weather conditions. This is common in dedicated*nudist resorts.

Beaches where nudity is encouraged, but not mandatory. This is more common when the beach is part of a private resort or other private property.
On such beaches, most people go nude, but not all.

Clothing is optional (i.e., nudity is permitted but not required). Most beaches in Denmark and all in Norway are clothing-optional.



Ask yourselves why you're raising your children there, is the money good?

[aflawedbeing]

Ahkee, I am in the West too - but I must say, no money can possibly be that good.

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[Abz2000]

It would possibly be justified if those who call themselves Muslims actually accepted the Laws of Islam to the best of their ability instead of throwing their hands up every time the sh*t hits the fan and crying "we're not that Muslim, just a bit".

Although i must admit that even here i find it difficult to get around without fiat currency, some people just don't see how badly it enslaves them to tyranny since they can't feel it's immediate impact.
On the bright side, the people who carry buns and cakes house to house accept rice or betelnuts etc.
Gold and silver are rare, and getting common people to circulate it and even count it, plus getting a just exchange is another nightmare.
The only other possible solutions i can see is, the leaders and people submitting to God or believers in the whole planet cashing in their fiat bankster promissory notes for rice and flour and lentils and stuff and just sitting at home and begging God for a way out for as long as possible, and bartering with it.
Give back to caesar what is caesars and to God what is God's.
Coz the more you participate in a society that rejects God, the more a partaker you become,
and the more you fight, the more they love it,
and if you don't fight, they stage false flags to create the pretext to fight.


Reminds me of this hadith, which in turn reminds me of the gog and magog siege - where the people go to the mount and beg God.

The Prophet said,
There will be a tribulation in which one who is sleeping will be better than one who is lying down,
one who is lying will be better than one who is sitting,
one who is sitting will be better than on who is standing,
one who is standing will be better than one who is walking,
one who is walking will be better than one who is riding,
and one who is riding will be better than one who is running;
all of their dead will be in Hell.

The Companion of the Prophet who narrated this Hadith said,
O Messenger of Allah, when will that be?
He said, That will be the days ofHarj.
He asked, When will the days of Harj be?
The Prophet said, When a man will not trust the person to whom he is speaking.
The Companion asked, What do you advise me to do if I live tosee that?
He said, Restrain yourself, and go back to your place of residence.
The Companion then asked, O Messenger of Allah, what should I do if someone enters my neighbourhood to attack me?
He said, Go into your house.
The Companion asked, What if he enters my house?
He said, Go intothe place where you pray and do this - and he folded his arms, - and say My Lord is Allah, until you die.

(And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said,
"Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth.
Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression).

Abu Bakrah said, The Prophet said, There will be a tribulation duringwhich one who is lying down will be better than one who is sitting, onewho is sitting will be better than one who is standing, one who isstanding will be better than one who is walking, and one who is walkingwill be better than one who is running.
Someone asked, O Messenger ofAllah, what do you advise me to do?
He said, Whoever has camels, let him stay with them, and whoever has land, let him stay in his land.
Someone asked, What about someone who does not have anything like that?
He said, Then let him take his sword and strike its edge against a stone, then goas far away as possible. \
(Abu Dawud; similar Hadith in Muslim.)

At the time of the Fitnah of Uthman ibn Affans Khilafah (Caliphate), Sadibn Abi Waqqas said,
I bear witness that the Prophet said, There will comea tribulation during which one who sits will be better than one whostands, one who stands will be better than one who walks, and one whowalks will be better than one who runs.
Someone asked, What do you advise if someone enters my house to kill me?
He said, Be like the son of Adam(ie resign yourself).
(Muslim, Tirmidhi.)

Abu Musa al-Ashari said, The Prophet said, Before the Hour comes, therewill be a tribulation like patches of dark night.
A man will get up a believer and go to sleep a kafir, or will go to sleep a believer and get up a kafir.
The one who sits will be better than one who stands, and onewho walks will be better than one who runs.
Break your bows, cut their strings, and strike your swords against stones. If someone comes to kill any of you, then be like the better of the two sons of Adam. \
(Abu Dawud.)

Abu Dharr said, The Prophet was riding a donkey and sat me behind him. Hesaid,
O Abu Dharr, if the people were suffering from such severe hunger that you could not even get up from your bed to go to the mosque, what would you do?
I said, Allah and His Messenger know best.
He said, Be decent and restrain yourself.
Then he said, O Abu Dharr, if the people were suffering from severe death (i e if a man were worth no more than a grave), what would you do?
If the people were killing one another, untilHajarat al-Zayt (an area of Madinah) were submerged in blood, what would you do?
I said, Allah and His Messenger know best.
He said, Stay in your house and lock the door.
I asked, What if I am not left alone?
He said, Then be one of them.
I said, Should I take up my sword?
He said, If you did that, you would be joining them in their activities.

No - if you fear that the brightness of the shining sword will disturb you, then cover your face with part of your clothing, and let him carry his own sin and your sin.
(Ahmad.)

2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: \
a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it,*even*to the years of many generations.
3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth:
the land*is*as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

12Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye*even*to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he*is*gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.14Who knoweth*if*he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him;*even*a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?15Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.17Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say,

Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach,
that the heathen should rule over them:
wherefore should they say among the people,
Where*is*their God?

18Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.19Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:20But I will remove far off from you the northern*army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.21Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.

Remember in the time of dajjal we read the story of the boys who disassociate themselves from their kafir people and go a lie down in the cave?

These scriptures are like one of those treasure hunting movies where ancient maps fit like a puzzle:

1Thou also, son of man, take thee a tile, and lay it before thee, and pourtray upon it the city,*evenJerusalem:*2And lay siege against it, and build a fort against it, and cast a mount against it; set the camp also against it, and set*battering*rams against it round about.*3Moreover take thou unto thee an iron pan, and set it*for*a wall of iron between thee and the city: and set thy face against it, and it shall be besieged, and thou shalt lay siege against it. This*shall be*a sign to the house of Israel

.4Lie thou also upon thy left side,

and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it:*according*to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.*5For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

*6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side,

and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.*7Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm*shall beuncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.*8And, behold, I will lay bands upon thee, and thou shalt not turn thee from one side to another, till thou hast ended the days of thy siege.The Defiled Bread9Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof,*according*to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.*10And thy meat which thou shalt eat*shall be*by weight, twenty shekels a day: from time to time shalt thou eat it.*11Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink.*12And thou shalt eat it*as*barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.*13And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.*14Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.*15Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.16Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, behold, I will break the staff of bread in Jerusalem: and they shall eat bread by weight, and with care; and they shall drink water by measure, and with astonishment:*17That they may want bread and water, and be astonied one with another, and consume away for their iniquity

Quran

And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression
These, our people, have taken besides Him deities. Why do they not bring for [worship of] them a clear authority? And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie?"
, "And when you have withdrawn from them and that which they worship other than Allah , retreat to the cave. Your Lord will spread out for you of His mercy and will prepare for you from your affair facility.
And [had you been present], you would see the sun when it rose, inclining away from their cave on the right, and when it set, passing away from them on the left, while they were [laying] within an open space thereof.
That was from the signs of Allah . He whom Allah guides is the [rightly] guided, but he whom He leaves astray - never will you find for him a protecting guide.

And you would think them awake, while they were asleep.
And We turned them to the right and to the left,
while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror.

And similarly, We awakened them that they might question one another. Said a speaker from among them, "How long have you remained [here]?" They said, "We have remained a day or part of a day." They said, "Your Lord is most knowing of how long you remained.
So send one of you with this silver coin of yours to the city and let him look to which is the best of food and bring you provision from it and let him be cautious. And let no one be aware of you.

He who among you will survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Surah al-Kahf…*[Muslim]

But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, "Why are not (Signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?"
Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: "Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!" And they say: "For us, we reject all (such things)!"

Say: "Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (do), if ye are truthful!"
Quran Al Qasas Chapter 28 Verses 48-49

I mean, the record breaking protests of 2003 were just ignored.
Though they were the biggest ever global protests in recorded history, if possible they infiltrate and co-opt them for subversive goals and in the countries where they use overt puppets, they just disperse them.

The*February 15, 2003 anti-war protestwas a coordinated day of*protestsacross the world in which people in more than 600 cities[1]*expressing opposition to the imminent*Iraq War.
It was part of a*series of protests and political events*that had begun in 2002 and continued as the war took place.

Social movement researchers have described the 15*February protest as "the largest protest event in human history."[2]

At the time, many commentators were hopeful that this global mobilization of unprecedented scale would stop the coming Iraq war.

The unprecedented size of the demonstrations was widely taken to indicate that the majority of people across the world opposed the war.*

The potential effect of the protests was generally dismissed by pro-war politicians;
the then US National Security Advisor*Condoleezza Rice*was reported as saying that the protests would
"not affect [the US administration's] determination to confront Saddam Hussein and help the Iraqi people".[4]

Do you mean you have to dodge bullets, no neo, with this method you won't have to.
Caution - woman in a red dress appears:


The fitnah of the man in the red dress
Caution - la takfur:
[quote]

1Who*is*this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this*that is*glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2Wherefore*art thou*red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people*there wasnone with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4For the day of vengeance*is*in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.5And I looked, and*there was*none to help; and I wondered that*there was*none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.6And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth..

5Thus saith the LORD; Cursed*bethe man that trusteth in man,
and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.6For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness,*in*a salt land and not inhabited.
7Blessed*is*the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
8For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and*that*spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.9The heart*is*deceitful above all*things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10
I the LORD search the heart,*I*try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways,*andaccording to the fruit of his doings.

Do we turn to God neo?
Or do we look to our own strength, or beg condalezza, or the man in the red dress - possibly dyed in saffron. |Look agai n and your sight will come to you dull and discomfitted.

One presses wine, the other gets crucified on the trunks of palm trees and birds eat from his head.
Both seem to be illusions.
Better off storing the wheat like joseph's people, and begging God like Jonah's people.

[Abz2000]

here's a decent documentary that describes how the monopolization of illusory power began, and how they were able to put yokes on people and make them dependent on the dajjal system:



the prevalence of electronic currency would be almost total enslavement and surveillance since the ones in the know would have the data to track and decide every electronic transaction and movement - and that's when right minded people won't want to be charlie.

we have had the dajjal (illusory/deception) system described to us and also been shown how to defeat it, let's understand how it was pushed on the people
advice is given to read the text on the notes carefully, and wonder what the promise on the note in their pocket actually means any more:

\

\

then "gold or "lawful" money""

then "LAWFUL MONEY"

\

THEN - NOTHING!!!

The*pound sterling*(symbol:*£;*ISO code:*GBP), commonly known simply as the*pound, is the official*currency*of the*United Kingdom,*Jersey,*Guernsey, the*Isle of Man,*South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, the*British Antarctic Territory,[6]*and*Tristan da Cunha.

A pound = 20*shillings*= 240*silver pennies

The*pound*was a unit of account in*Anglo-Saxon*England, equal to 240 silver*pennies*
and equivalent to one*pound weight*of silver.

The promise on the above note is an iou issued for that amount when someone entrusted five pounds in weight of sterling silver to a bank.

The early pennies were struck from fine silver (as pure as was available).
However,*in 1158, a new coinage*was introduced by King*Henry II*(known as the*Tealby penny) which was struck from 0.925 (92.5%) silver.
This became the standard until the 20th century and is today known as*sterling silver, named after its association with the currency.*

By making the iou "legal tender", people were compelled to accept it with the understanding that the king would uphold the promise in full faith.

Saeculum, secularis, saeculorum, secular seclorum all come from the same latin root, non-God=kafir

• Imam Ali was reported to have said:

His right eye will be punctured, and his left eye would be raised to his forehead and will be sparkling like a star.
Only the believers will be able to read the word ‘Kafir’ [disbeliever], inscribed in bold letters, on his forehead.
There will be big mountains of smoke at both front and backsides of his caravan. People will anticipate food within those mountains, during the severe famine. All rivers, falling in his way, will become dry and he will call upon people in a loud voice, "O my friends come to me! I am your lord who has made your limbs and given you sustenance.^[7]

nearly there people, the current financial system is about to crash since it was pumped with steroids last time, the unprecedented amount of inflation is about to bite and they're trying to distract and scare you. The false flags AND THREAT OF LOOMING WAR are a useful tool to domesticate you.
tighten your seatbelts coz it starts with charlie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrM6i8OlxrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXbyDcHAUnQ

[Muslim Woman]

:sl:




Charlie Hebdo and the Hypocrisy of Pencils

By Corey Oakley

What but cruel mockery is the contention that Western "civilisation" fights its wars with the pen and not the sword?
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle40680.htm


March of the Hypocrites

By Justin Raimondo

Those marchers will soon be cheering their soldiers as they go marching off to war, with "Je suis Charlie" inscribed on their banners.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle40681.htm


A Message From the Dispossessed

By Chris Hedges

The cartoons of the Prophet in the Paris-based satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo are offensive and juvenile. None of them are funny. And they expose a grotesque double standard when it comes to Muslims.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle40677.htm

[M.I.A.]

Did i read hijab correct?

The french have places where being nude is compulsory.

There are several categories of nude beaches:

Beaches where nudity may be compulsory, subject to weather conditions. This is common in dedicated*nudist resorts.

Beaches where nudity is encouraged, but not mandatory. This is more common when the beach is part of a private resort or other private property.
On such beaches, most people go nude, but not all.

Clothing is optional (i.e., nudity is permitted but not required). Most beaches in Denmark and all in Norway are clothing-optional.



Ask yourselves why you're raising your children there, is the money good?

Your way off base, just because nudist beaches exist does not mean that is where most of the population reside.

Is the money good?

That's funny, you fail to see the importance of it.. Seeing as most of us give jakat abroad..

What's even worse is that when all you do is talk about money and politics.. You think that death is the face of war.

I'm sorry abz2000... But its hard to make a change looking from the outside.

And just as the majority of Muslims are not terrorists, most westerners are just surviving also..

Do not become the things you hope to overcome.

That usually leads to refugees.


...anyway, what's the odds that people with agendas make it into governments? Other peoples at that never mind there own.

Anyway you can't go round flipping tables.

[Abz2000]

Your way off base, just because nudist beaches exist does not mean that is where most of the population reside.

Is the money good?

That's funny, you fail to see the importance of it.. Seeing as most of us give jakat abroad..

What's even worse is that when all you do is talk about money and politics.. You think that death is the face of war.

I'm sorry abz2000... But its hard to make a change looking from the outside.

And just as the majority of Muslims are not terrorists, most westerners are just surviving also..

Do not become the things you hope to overcome.

That usually leads to refugees.


...anyway, what's the odds that people with agendas make it into governments? Other peoples at that never mind there own.

Anyway you can't go round flipping tables.

|What dost thou suggest then luv?

[M.I.A.]

Lol, nothing..

Just plan for your own future and that of your loved ones.

You can only do what's put in front of you after all.

This life is a test and all that.

Don't know what you expected me to say really?

Mankind is created in toil and self importance is something that does not exist.

Read a book or something.

[Abz2000]

i am in the process of "a tale of two cities" hint hint though it's difficult to get immersed in it with all these happenings.

[Scimitar]

whit!!! very clever :D

[M.I.A.]

A bit random but I visited France last year there was nothing to suggest any tension, the people were great.. Big beard n all.

The only time we got harassed was at a mall.. They thought we were thieves or something.

Walking by a river in Paris and one of the group bumps into a relative! Market stall trader so no stereotypes lol.

Anyway its a sad state of affairs for sure, I'd take no joy in adding fuel to the fire.


...have never read that book, bit unlearned to be honest

[Scimitar]

i'm amused at how france is targeting its largest demographic, the Muslims.

No hijaab, pro derogatory and offensive cartoons against Islam, villifying of the Muslim youth reminiscent of the film La Haine, and worse... seems to me the french have launched a crusade on their own home turf...

...just like other western nations are doing

and we think WW3 is something that's gonna happen in the future?

it takes real eyes to realise real lies.

Scimi

[freewillynow]

i'm amused at how france is targeting its largest demographic, the Muslims.

No hijaab, pro derogatory and offensive cartoons against Islam, villifying of the Muslim youth reminiscent of the film La Haine, and worse... seems to me the french have launched a crusade on their own home turf...

...just like other western nations are doing

and we think WW3 is something that's gonna happen in the future?

it takes real eyes to realise real lies.

Scimi

France's largest demographic is 45% of the French are Christians (almost all Roman Catholics), 35% are non religious, Atheist or agnostic, 3% are Muslims, 1% are Buddhist, 6% adhere to unspecified other religions, and the Muslim population is growing as they are having higher birth rates almost twice of any other group. All this while French born non Muslim citizens are fleeing France. This is a fact.

It is not the Hijab that has being outlawed it is the Burka. Covering the entire face is where that crosses the line as facial expressions are very important for daily communication, and it is also a security issue.

The west is not at war with Muslims, we bend over backwards for your rights, but when you give an inch they take a mile. Its funny because you believe the west wants this war, lol what the European countries want is for the Muslim communities and its leaders to get their **** together. Islamic extremist attacks seemingly are happening throughout the world on a regular basis.

The president of Egypt, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, urged Muslim imams to change radical rhetoric and lead a "religious revolution" that embraces peace. This is where it starts and ends.

The cartoons you hate so much are a necessity and have been around for a long time to point out the wrong doings and hypocrisies of all religions and governments. So if you dont like it get out and go live in a country where you have no right to expression and dissent, try Saudi Arabia. Most likely you wont like it. This is why people move to free countries such as the European countries and Western DEMOCRATIC governments.

[M.I.A.]

France's largest demographic is 45% of the French are Christians (almost all Roman Catholics), 35% are non religious, Atheist or agnostic, 3% are Muslims, 1% are Buddhist, 6% adhere to unspecified other religions, and the Muslim population is growing as they are having higher birth rates almost twice of any other group. All this while French born non Muslim citizens are fleeing France. This is a fact.

It is not the Hijab that has being outlawed it is the Burka. Covering the entire face is where that crosses the line as facial expressions are very important for daily communication, and it is also a security issue.

The west is not at war with Muslims, we bend over backwards for your rights, but when you give an inch they take a mile. Its funny because you believe the west wants this war, lol what the European countries want is for the Muslim communities and its leaders to get their **** together. Islamic extremist attacks seemingly are happening throughout the world on a regular basis.

The president of Egypt, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, urged Muslim imams to change radical rhetoric and lead a "religious revolution" that embraces peace. This is where it starts and ends.

The cartoons you hate so much are a necessity and have been around for a long time to point out the wrong doings and hypocrisies of all religions and governments. So if you dont like it get out and go live in a country where you have no right to expression and dissent, try Saudi Arabia. Most likely you wont like it. This is why people move to free countries such as the European countries and Western DEMOCRATIC governments.

no offence mate but you have not bent over backwards for anyone, if you wrote your own laws they would not be half as good.. seriously... check your privilege.

next time you see a skinhead, represent please.

next up the burka, have you actually had to interact with a burka wielding thing? i recently did.. not really a problem unless your schizophrenic.

or unless your a man in a burka trying to get on a plane.. guess how that usually works out..

maybe they should protest by wearing full biker helmets everywhere.

i dont know what you expect, the christians didnt say anything about the christian cover, the jews got the guy that drew the jewish cover fired.

and the muslims...

well, cant say french timing could be any better, not like half the world is at war.. here this cover screams please stop radicalisation.

its not like terrorism is not used by these people to disrupt western countries, lets print some more.


seriously, can you even expect any argument on the subject to be taken seriously if not for the over reaction of a few?


that publications behaviour is not normal.. the day you think it is, my rights are infringed upon for sure.

id say your racist but not all muslims are purple.

[Abz2000]

The president of Egypt, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, urged Muslim imams to change radical rhetoric and lead a "religious revolution" that embraces peace. This is where it starts and ends.

i felt like lunging through my phone screen and strangling you to death after you pretended to be ignorant of sisi and went as far as calling him president.
Sisi are the types you bend over backwards to "give us" when your sponsored "springs" don't turn secular/kafir/satanic and all the while you tell us about the beauties of "democracy" and "free speech".
No wonder people from muslim countries want to kill infidels.
Do you know how much persecution we go through and how frustrated we feel?
Do you know how difficult it is to be trying to help in a revolutionary movement and you end up wasting most of your time transporting activists from house to house because they have like 150-300 "wanted" cases on them from people they never heard of and places they'd never been?
And do you know that a lot of them go kamikazee because they know they'll get hanged or never get out of gaol if apprehended?

I remember this old man, a library owner well over the age of 60, he was a treasurer for the local Islamic party and under observation.
Well he was a part of one of the protests and the cops started beating them up, he was hospitalized and the youth went mad and started breaking cars and stuff.
As usual about 200 names that were under observation got put on the list of perpetrators for stone throwing, most of whom weren't even there (lots of revenue to be churned up after questioning and deciding most could be released - if the innocent ones can skim through the process with 10,000tk, they're considered lucky - regardless of whether their name matched someone elses or not, it's about getting papers signed quick.

the hospital of course provides a list of all unjured who turn up at any given time. while this 60+ white haired man was lying on his hospital bed, the officer who turned up with his eyes cast down, said "murobbi" (meaning-respected elder), i am really sorry but my job compels me to do this, you're under arrest for vandalizing property. The cop felt like a wh*re.

since the old man was quite well off and could "fast track" ahem through the process, he got out within a month or so. his wife is an activist and his children are also activists.

These are the fruits of american and french "democracy".

That was from two years back, and this is last week:

Police in Bangladesh have arrested the deputy leader of the main opposition party, as tensions rise over its calls for nationwide protests and blockades.
Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP)

Secretary General Mirza Fakhrul Islam Alamgir is being held on charges of arson, bombings and vandalism.


His arrest comes as opposition leader Khaleda Zia was confined by police to her offices for a fourth day.The unrest comes on the first anniversary of disputed elections.The vote - boycotted by the opposition who said it would be rigged - was won by the ruling Awami League.

The authorities have also detained the chairman of a private television channel after it carried a speech by Khaleda Zia's son from self-imposed exile in London.

Security forces say they want to stop violence and are preventing Ms Zia from leaving her party offices in Dhaka to give her "enhanced security".

(She took 51% by selection after the opposition boycotted it due to her not stepping down and leaders of the opposition lying in prison during elections, then spent 600 crore on the voting process for the remaining 49%
The people just never turned up).



Yet she gets golden handshakes in london, new york and the un and also "anti-terror support- all of whom address her as prime minister.
No problem with imf or world bank either, they jus sign checks for mrs pm, repayable by the people of course.
Yet they sanction and invade countries for much less - do we not see it happening?







Obama has taken on*Zbigniew*Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy advisor.
Feb 2008

Democracy is a deceptive process where the financiers select their prospective puppets and then offer them a media stage and chance to debate, and whoever gets to create/pacify/convince by lying baldfacedly to the biggest gang gets the position of "right honourable puppet" for an hour with the beast.

It was a tried and tested method after the Roman disaster - an effective way of getting the people to think they hold the throne, while the monied class legislate, but in the age of information it's not holding water coz people aint that ignorant of events and conspiracies.

[Kung Fu]

I was under the assumption that the burqa was banned and that the hijab was acceptable?

[freewillynow]

no offence mate but you have not bent over backwards for anyone, if you wrote your own laws they would not be half as good.. seriously... check your privilege.

next time you see a skinhead, represent please.

next up the burka, have you actually had to interact with a burka wielding thing? i recently did.. not really a problem unless your schizophrenic.

or unless your a man in a burka trying to get on a plane.. guess how that usually works out..

maybe they should protest by wearing full biker helmets everywhere.

i dont know what you expect, the christians didnt say anything about the christian cover, the jews got the guy that drew the jewish cover fired.

and the muslims...

well, cant say french timing could be any better, not like half the world is at war.. here this cover screams please stop radicalisation.

its not like terrorism is not used by these people to disrupt western countries, lets print some more.


seriously, can you even expect any argument on the subject to be taken seriously if not for the over reaction of a few?


that publications behaviour is not normal.. the day you think it is, my rights are infringed upon for sure.

id say your racist but not all muslims are purple.

Western Democratic societies have been very tolerant for you to practice and express whatever your religion is in their countries, however they are also secular in which church and state our separate, so religious laws are not valid here. This is where the boundaries lie. Western societies and its people have been very accepting and acknowledging the need to be tolerant of religious expression even as they see the atrocities in their own countries and around the world in which you might claim are not done in the name of the religion while that person screams the prophets name as he is killing a so called "infidel." So to me when you say western countries have not bent over far enough my question is to you how far do we need to bend until you completely
shove it up our ass or would you prefer us on our knees in submission. I bet many people who read this are going to say yes, Islam is the one true religion and all should follow, and if they speak out or talk bad about our prophet then they should be punished. Well guess what NO! Not going to happen. There will always be non-believers of all religions and people will slander any and all prophets but the over reaction is on the side of Islam.


The true irony here is that in most majority Muslim ruled countries they are not tolerant of other religious views, they are not accepted and must hide their religion as their religion is taught to be lesser and the person is then not respected as equals. Your opinion is one of not being grateful of rights afforded to you by Western Democracies which are not prevalent in the non-secular countries.

As far as the magazine goes, you should be humiliated by what has occurred over the past week, even if you don't believe that this was a justified "Jihad", sorry it still happened in his name. Truly your opinion is myopic in which the magazine cannot make the point of the killings in which the perpetrators of this Jihad are now "forgiven" by the prophet for avenging him.

All religions are not above being ridiculed especially Islamist fundamentalist extremist so deal with it. But now I am racist one says, really shows how absurd your argument is.

[Abz2000]

Such a shill, you think you live in a democracy?
Didn't you just listen to what zbigniew said?
You honestly remind of that lot from nineteen eighty four.
Orwellian doublethink and cognitive dissonance.
Makes me feel like winston smith sometimes.

And you talked about tolerance?
Why did the British government harrass, incite, and arrest me on false charges so many times despite unrefutable evidence to the contrary being presented?
why did they have shills follow me whenever i left my house and utter slurs like "terrorist" when i was just an anti-war activist at the time?
and why do they still harass and harm me ith their shills despite being thousands of miles away?

They need to repent and submit to God, not play games of falsehood and oppression, it will only dig them deeper.
And they need to remove the obstacle before the bannister begins to rot, (lol at age of consent). they need to apologise and remove it quick.
Oppression is about to backfire.

[Futuwwa]

The cartoons you hate so much are a necessity and have been around for a long time to point out the wrong doings and hypocrisies of all religions and governments. So if you dont like it get out and go live in a country where you have no right to expression and dissent, try Saudi Arabia. Most likely you wont like it. This is why people move to free countries such as the European countries and Western DEMOCRATIC governments.

Care to take your own advice? You say we should move away if we don't like the way the country is. Yet, simultaneously, you whine about how Western countries are supposedly bending over backwards to appease Muslims. If you don't like it, how about moving to some country which doesn't? I hear North Korea doesn't abide the opium of the people much.

[Futuwwa]

Western societies and its people have been very accepting and acknowledging the need to be tolerant of religious expression even as they see the atrocities in their own countries and around the world in which you might claim are not done in the name of the religion while that person screams the prophets name as he is killing a so called "infidel." So to me when you say western countries have not bent over far enough my question is to you how far do we need to bend until you completely
shove it up our ass or would you prefer us on our knees in submission.

But now I am racist one says, really shows how absurd your argument is.

The fact that you think Western societies are bending over backwards simply because they haven't held us collectively liable and banned Islam despite the existence of Islamic extremism speaks volumes about you. You speak about our freedom of religion as if it were a sufferance to be grateful for, while your freedom of religion is an absolute which it is outrageous to even think about questioning.

[sister herb]

Are the Western Europe countries really free and there the most important value is freedom of speech? How then if I claim in the public that holocaust (Jews) hasn´t never happened, it is a crime and I will get punishment? Where is my freedom of speech then?

Ooops sorry, there is freedom of speech only when it goes as saying something against islam?

[Peshpak]

the Messengers of Almighty God carries capital punishment in the absence of repentance -depending on the situation of course.
.

I'm with you bro' (NOT) as OP says . . the infidels have banned the hijab (I thought was Burka but could be wrong) so we need to kill some of them - right?

[Peshpak]

i am in the process of "a tale of two cities" hint hint though it's difficult to get immersed in it with all these happenings.

Bro, you need to get a life. Day after day in the back bedroom of your mom's house doing cyber jihad isn't going to get you a place in heaven. You know, I mean you really know that Muhammed (phuh) gave you clear direction on where you must be and it's NOT Birmingham! Walk the walk bro!

[M.I.A.]

I don't think we need to kill anyone, western society has mostly moved away from capital punishment..

Maybe mass demonstrations and political campaigns..

Posters, leaflets and rally's.

Campaigning for change at local government level.

All the tools that we feel are being used against us.

Unfortunately, its easy to be a football pundit.. Its hard to actually play a good game.

But the kicker is that even those need the right figure heads to be successful.

Truth needs a manager in this day and age.

And that's the sad thing about asking for sharia and caliphates and such like..

If it were easy.. It would have been done.

The above post would probably not help those already uneasy with Islam..

Not sure how it works really.

But I doubt many would let people make the place worse on purpose..

Except France apparently, freedom of speech is not the same as abuse of freedom of speech.

[M.I.A.]

Most clever people don't overthrow governments...unnecessary headache. Take a look at big business.

No, not another conspiracy.. Just they way things work IRL.

Although technically its just people living there lives and investing there money.

[freewillynow]

The fact that you think Western societies are bending over backwards simply because they haven't held us collectively liable and banned Islam despite the existence of Islamic extremism speaks volumes about you. You speak about our freedom of religion as if it were a sufferance to be grateful for, while your freedom of religion is an absolute which it is outrageous to even think about questioning.

What a bunch of babble, I never said nor will it happen where we have to ban Islam the religion, the problem is with political Islam, now if you cant separate the two in western secular societies then there is going to be a problem which is what we have here today which is they way they want, well they get. The countries that have chosen secular societies have every right to continue as so, and the laws will be made by the people. Now Muslims are just a small percent in France but they are growing reproducing at twice the rate of all non muslims, there is also many French nationals and Jewish people leaving France. One day maybe you can turn it into a Sharia country where you can oppress Christians and Jews and oppress their right to worship and treat non believers "infadels" as beneath you. Great cant wait to go there.

Oh and it speaks volumes about you about how ungrateful you are for the freedom of religion that Western cultures afforded Islam. Could you imagine if the tables were turned and Christians went into a predominantly Muslim country and began setting up shop, such as in France with the enclaves where Sharia becomes the law of the land in these municipalities. The so called "no-go zones" its political and its ridiculous women and men are not equal first of all and there is whole host of problems with them.

The true irony of this all is that political Islam and its fundamentalist such as idiots like Choudary want to use the democracy to shut it down and instill Sharia which is not a democracy. Now it just comes down to the question. Do you want Democracy or do you want a religion to rule a country. I want Secular Democracy. What do you want? Islam? Well there are countries that are doing this please go there. I heard Choudary is moving soon maybe hook up with him. Just don't come to my country with your crybaby woe is me blame America, blame Zionist, blame everybody else because we are infallable because we follow the word of God bullcrap so that we must be silent, walk on eggshells over the prophet "peace be upon him" everytime you speak his name.

[Futuwwa]

What a bunch of babble, I never said nor will it happen where we have to ban Islam the religion, the problem is with political Islam, now if you cant separate the two in western secular societies then there is going to be a problem which is what we have here today which is they way they want, well they get. The countries that have chosen secular societies have every right to continue as so, and the laws will be made by the people.

And if the people choose to make laws in according to their religious values?

Oh and it speaks volumes about you about how ungrateful you are for the freedom of religion that Western cultures afforded Islam.

Yes, I am utterly, completely, unequivocally unapologetic about the notion that my freedom to be a Muslim is a fundamental right, not something that is afforded. To respect my freedom of religion is not a gift of generosity, it's a moral mandate. I categorically reject the notion that it is for any society, Western or other, to regard this right as a sufferance which it can choose to afford or not afford.

Could you imagine if the tables were turned and Christians went into a predominantly Muslim country and began setting up shop, such as in France with the enclaves where Sharia becomes the law of the land in these municipalities.

A cute thought experiment. What exactly is it meant to imply?

The so called "no-go zones" its political and its ridiculous women and men are not equal first of all and there is whole host of problems with them.

If the state does not enforce its sovereignty over a part of its internationally recognized sovereign territory, the fault lies with the state for choosing not to do so. Maybe you should take it up with the overly wimpy law enforcement that allows it to happen.

The true irony of this all is that political Islam and its fundamentalist such as idiots like Choudary want to use the democracy to shut it down and instill Sharia which is not a democracy.

Irrelevant. Democracy isn't true democracy unless the citizenry are able to democratically choose to replace democracy with something else.

Now it just comes down to the question. Do you want Democracy or do you want a religion to rule a country.

You speak as if they are mutually exclusive. They aren't, not if the citizenry want there to be a state religion.

I want Secular Democracy. What do you want? Islam? Well there are countries that are doing this please go there. I heard Choudary is moving soon maybe hook up with him. Just don't come to my country with your crybaby woe is me blame America, blame Zionist, blame everybody else because we are infallable because we follow the word of God bullcrap so that we must be silent, walk on eggshells over the prophet "peace be upon him" everytime you speak his name.

The way you use the phrase "my country" implies that it is your country, and not mine, or any other Muslim's. Chances are your country has a significant number of Muslim citizens. Do you reject them as full and equal citizens who own the country just as much as you do, and have just as much a democratic right to have a say about its laws and governance? Is it the prerogative of you and whatever in-group you self-identify with to dictate what the country is to be like, and which the not-fully-equal-citizen Muslims are just to accept as-is or leave?

[Futuwwa]

I was under the assumption that the burqa was banned and that the hijab was acceptable?

Hijabs are banned in institutes of primary and secondary education.

[Abz2000]

I'm with you bro' (NOT) as OP says . . the infidels have banned the hijab (I thought was Burka but could be wrong) so we need to kill some of them - right?


Bro, you need to get a life. Day after day in the back bedroom of your mom's house doing cyber jihad isn't going to get you a place in heaven. You know, I mean you really know that Muhammed (phuh) gave you clear direction on where you must be and it's NOT Birmingham! Walk the walk bro!

I had mentioned the punishment for abuse or mockery of the Messengers of God in the absence of repentence.

Hijab and niqab are items of modesty, and are also a requirement in Islam, hijab definitely and niqab optionally or depending on if you think there's too many pervs staring. Some consider it a requirement, i'd say better to wear it than not wear anything. Soooo many pervs out there - including Sarkozy.


No government on earth has the right to ban them and are in violation of God's Law and liable to punishment.

Yo dike-d, i'm not living in my mom's house, although i would if necessary.
And i'm not living in Birmingham though i would if necessary. Alhamdulillah who gave me something decent although it was obscured from my sight before.
Doing cyber jihad for the sake of Allah does get a place in heaven if it's sincere and there are misconceptions that require countering, i don't know where you got your information from that it's not. Actually it's the best thing to do if you're observed 24/7.

And since you're trying to push me and appear/claim to be able to know where the Messenger of Allah Muhammad pbuh wants me to be, please tell me.
Please tell me because i really need a bit of guidance for the sake of Allah.

*Originally Posted by*freewillynow*: how far do we need to bend until you completely shove it up our ass or would you prefer us on our knees in submission.

Repent! It is a horrific crime to commit sodomy, we would never want to do such,
rather we feel dismayed that you sometimes revile us and harm us for trying to tell you that sodomy is illegal according the highest Law, that is God's. Please read the story of Prophet Lut (pbuh).

You should bow in prayer and submission to God and also pray on your knees in humility.
That is what a Muslim does.

Why do you humiliate yourselves by insisting on bending over to commit sodomy with other men and getting on your knees for them. No gay heads or gay tails ok?
It is a grave sin.
Please, in the name of God, i exhort you to repent and desist from such shameful and abominable acts.

[M.I.A.]

What a bunch of babble, I never said nor will it happen where we have to ban Islam the religion, the problem is with political Islam, now if you cant separate the two in western secular societies then there is going to be a problem which is what we have here today which is they way they want, well they get. The countries that have chosen secular societies have every right to continue as so, and the laws will be made by the people. Now Muslims are just a small percent in France but they are growing reproducing at twice the rate of all non muslims, there is also many French nationals and Jewish people leaving France. One day maybe you can turn it into a Sharia country where you can oppress Christians and Jews and oppress their right to worship and treat non believers "infadels" as beneath you. Great cant wait to go there.

Oh and it speaks volumes about you about how ungrateful you are for the freedom of religion that Western cultures afforded Islam. Could you imagine if the tables were turned and Christians went into a predominantly Muslim country and began setting up shop, such as in France with the enclaves where Sharia becomes the law of the land in these municipalities. The so called "no-go zones" its political and its ridiculous women and men are not equal first of all and there is whole host of problems with them.

The true irony of this all is that political Islam and its fundamentalist such as idiots like Choudary want to use the democracy to shut it down and instill Sharia which is not a democracy. Now it just comes down to the question. Do you want Democracy or do you want a religion to rule a country. I want Secular Democracy. What do you want? Islam? Well there are countries that are doing this please go there. I heard Choudary is moving soon maybe hook up with him. Just don't come to my country with your crybaby woe is me blame America, blame Zionist, blame everybody else because we are infallable because we follow the word of God bullcrap so that we must be silent, walk on eggshells over the prophet "peace be upon him" everytime you speak his name.

...well,

political islam is new, unfortunately you have no idea what the people want.

thats why the only people that get on tv are radicals and soap stars.

i may have seen a picture of him drinking woodpecker cider from a few decades ago but its probably photoshop.

but as long as you believe it.


anyway use these threads to reinforce your views.

i dont blame him or you...

i literally dont have the answers to fix your point of view, if you feel the need to spread them then thats up to you..

i feel you are like the bnp members complaining that a cross still hangs outside a building converted into a mosque...


its an insane situation.

and yes, peace be upon them.


anyway iv known some homeless people in my time, it is EXTREMELY hard to change ones world view even when provided for.. everybody thinks the other guy is crazy.

[Abz2000]

...well,

political islam is new, unfortunately you have no idea what the people want.

Omg lol.
Whereadya get that info from shugz?
The collins? or the telegraph?

Please read a detailed biography of the Messenger of God pbuh and you'll find that the latter part of his life, including revelations, focysed on functions of the state and meeting with heads of state.

thats why the only people that get on tv are radicals and soap stars.

Yup radical puppets sponsored by rothschild and co.
Both Cameron and boris are bullingdon i take it - and that seems to be rothschild dominated.
They have these horrific ritual drunken destruction ceremonies after eating and drinking sessions, and then their fathers offer to pay. One wine cellar owner refused their money - but knew he couldn't get her majesty's police to do much.

i may have seen a picture of him drinking woodpecker cider from a few decades ago but its probably photoshop.

but as long as you believe it.

Umar (ra) was also a drunken reveller in jahiliyyah too.
Repentance made him whole.
And God made him our leader MashaAllah.


May Allah guide us to refrain from evil and submit to Him and be sincerely guided by His Laws.
Soon the unjust are gonna know what i meant.

[sister herb]

Wow you are an idiot, unless you question was not really rhetorical in nature which it obviously was, so in America it is not a crime to say that the holocaust was a lie. You can scream it to a certain degree. You can set up a march in the capital if you really want to and our police will protect you even though most will not agree. Now it is different in private property such as a business, office building, restaurant. People also say bad things about all types of religions and have rallies, it is not a crime. It is a crime when you politicize it preaching to over throw government and plotting and conspiring to kill or harm people. Not that complicated.

a) In many countries in the free and democratic Western Europe it is crime to claim that holocaust never happened. I didn´t talk about America.

b) Calling other member here as an idiot is against the rules and good manners. Did I call you like that when I disagreed with you? No, I didn´t.

This is comment from the pope about Paris attack:

"Pope Francis spoke out today about the Paris terror attacks, saying, “One cannot provoke, one cannot insult other people’s faith, one cannot make fun of faith. There is a limit. Every religion has its dignity."

I agree in this case with the pope but as freedom of speech, this "magazine" might publish something dirt picture about the pope too in its the next number. Insulting others is now called as freedom of speech in Europe.

In my post I wrote about features of the freedom of speech. I didn´t support to kill people for this. Many now in the west support it after this attack. When they can´t do nothing against those real terrorists, they prefer to attack against innocent people (muslims) whose haven´t nothing to do with kind of attacks. So, they are ready to kill innocents for their freedom of speech (freedom to insult others). By that, they are thinking exactly the same way like those whose made Paris attack. Beat terror using terror, not against terrorists themselves but against innocents.

This is how this "problem of foes of the western-style freedom of speech" is intended to solve?



http://www.vox.com/2015/1/12/7533159...ews-pirro-rant

The above link relates to the words of Fox News Reporter, Jeanine Pirro, in reference to radical islamists. Some comments (not in the link itself) asked, if a Muslim were to repeat the same words, share the same sentiments but towards other groups, namely Non Muslims, are the same freedoms to express views also the same?

[sister herb]

Article: http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/...rder-defend-it


"Launching the French government’s newly declared (or re-declared) “war on terrorism,” and its crackdown on dissent, Prime Minister Manuel Valls said that “racism, anti-Semitism and justifying terrorism” were “not opinions.”

Comment: Anti Islam is an opinion, but Anti Semitism is not and is a criminal offence.

"France, Germany and other European countries already have “hate speech laws” and it has been much remarked upon how unevenly they are applied.

Why, for example, has a Germany so concerned about “extremism,” and whose leader Angela Merkel marched in Paris, not banned the growing anti-Muslim marches in its own cities?"

Comment: Hate speech laws are applied to protestors, large or small, marching against the ban on the Face Veil and can lead to arrest and incarceration.

“The questions of immigration and Islam have been clearly posed. They must be asked calmly, involving everyone.” (former French President)

Comment: So Islam is now a question and is intermingled as much of a serious issue as immigration. Whether 'the question' about Islam is asked 'calmly' or violently, does it really matter, the fact is it is a threat. Notice he did not say 'Islamic terrorism' or Islamic extremism' he said very clearly 'Islam'.

"Sarkozy has proposed a host of repressive measures from arming local police to “expelling any imam who holds views that do not respect the values of the republic.”

Could anyone imagine Sarkozy, or any politician, demanding “expulsion” of French Jewish or French Christian clerics if they espouse views that are antithetical to the republic like believing that Israel should be “Jewish” or that France should be “Muslim-free?”

Sarkozy’s clear implication – although he doesn’t say it – is that every Muslim cleric is always already foreign and has some other place outside France to which they more properly belong.

The government’s crackdown appears to be an effort to pander to this authoritarian sentiment and head off Sarkozy’s challenge."

Comment: The above remarks show 'freedom of speech' is free as long as some people exercise it (Non Muslims) and others refrain from it (Muslims). When 'freedom of speech' is given to some, but denied to others, what is left of 'liberal democracy'? After all, one of the key features or definitions of what constitutes a liberal democracy is that all minorities are respected and must share the rights and privileges of the majority. Any breach in this definition makes the same society move closer to authoritarianism. Is France becoming authoritarian in its approach to Islam and Muslims?

"It was already on such bogus grounds that France banned rallies during the summer protesting Israel’s massacre in Gaza. And for years, France has been prosecuting activists in the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement."

Comment: The above relates to charges the protests were 'Anti Semetic' and in breach of the 'hate' laws despite the peaceful nature of the marches. While donations, charities and organisations that accept and collect for Jewish causes is permitted, those advocating the same for Palestinians are held to be illegal.

[Zafran]

[quote]

france's largest demographic is 45% of the french are christians (almost all roman catholics), 35% are non religious, atheist or agnostic, 3% are muslims, 1% are buddhist, 6% adhere to unspecified other religions, and the muslim population is growing as they are having higher birth rates almost twice of any other group. All this while french born non muslim citizens are fleeing france. This is a fact.

it is not the hijab that has being outlawed it is the burka. Covering the entire face is where that crosses the line as facial expressions are very important for daily communication, and it is also a security issue.

Both of these statements are incorrect - the hijab is banned in government places like all other religious symbols.

The population of muslims in France is around 7.5% its the largest muslim population in western europe.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ion-in-europe/

[M.I.A.]

Abz2000 wrote....

Umar (ra) was also a drunken reveller in jahiliyyah too.
Repentance made him whole.
And God made him our leader MashaAllah.


May Allah guide us to refrain from evil and submit to Him and be sincerely guided by His Laws.
Soon the unjust are gonna know what i meant.


Well, I guess that's me done then.. If you killed all the infedels and lopped of every bodies head that gave you a funny look.

Then none of that would not have happened.would it?

[gurufabbes]

France has several odd double standards of free speech and freedom of expression.

Enforced secularism, both formal (as at school) and informal (such as in social situations or at the workplace).
These are things that I have problems with here and still continue to not understand.

It's ultimately their country and culture, and it is up to those that arrive to adapt, even if what they have to adapt to is repugnant and different to what one would be used to. Officially this country is not multicultural like the UK is, and it shows.

[Zafran]

France has several odd double standards of free speech and freedom of expression.

Enforced secularism, both formal (as at school) and informal (such as in social situations or at the workplace).
These are things that I have problems with here and still continue to not understand.

It's ultimately their country and culture, and it is up to those that arrive to adapt, even if what they have to adapt to is repugnant and different to what one would be used to. Officially this country is not multicultural like the UK is, and it shows.

what happens to the citizens that are born in France that are Jewish, Sikh, Hindu Muslim or anything other then what the majority adhere to. Is it not their country as well? This question could probably be applied to every country on earth - from the copts of Egypt, The Jews of Iran to the Sikhs of India.

[gurufabbes]

what happens to the citizens that are born in France that are Jewish, Sikh, Hindu Muslim or anything other then what the majority adhere to. Is it not their country as well? This question could probably be applied to every country on earth - from the copts of Egypt, The Jews of Iran to the Sikhs of India.

This is the problem with mass immigration.
If you bring in millions of people that have different values, cultures and religions than your own, what amount of accomodation is reasonable?
At what point does a majority population of post-1968 (watershed even in modern France) agnostic and atheistic liberals feel like it?
To be honest, with this enforced trend of secularism, everyone is hit: Jews, Muslims and religious Christians (the few that are left).

[Zafran]

This is the problem with mass immigration.
If you bring in millions of people that have different values, cultures and religions than your own, what amount of accomodation is reasonable?
At what point does a majority population of post-1968 (watershed even in modern France) agnostic and atheistic liberals feel like it?
To be honest, with this enforced trend of secularism, everyone is hit: Jews, Muslims and religious Christians (the few that are left).

your right that's true for most countries in Europe. Most countries outside of Europe seem to have a no choice but live with other cultures due to history. India for example or china which have huge minority populations that they had to live with for hundreds of years. The french type of secularism would make things horrible if they adopted that type of secularism.

[Abdullahh]

France is a backwards nation. In my opinion no-one should ever under any circumstance be allowed to criticize any religion. We must respect one another. That is how we will have peace!