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Snow
01-20-2015, 09:48 PM
And why are people saying that they follow him?
There are only rumors on who he is, where he was born, what his early life was...
Many sources start with "some people believe..." and so on.

Very little footage is available on him and I do not know about any manifesto that he has made.

I would think that the media would be jumping all over who he is, getting some real bio about him, his friends... yet there is so little known about him.
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فصيح الياسين
01-21-2015, 12:40 AM
We also do not know about him so much and talking on unknown person is waste of time...
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Snow
01-21-2015, 12:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by فصيح الياسين
We also do not know about him so much and talking on unknown person is waste of time...
That is what I find so interesting.
Why are people talking about being followers of someone they know almost nothing about?
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aflawedbeing
01-21-2015, 11:35 AM
You know, that is very interesting and something I'd never even considered until now.

Maybe I'm 'ignorant'. Maybe I don't 'get it'.

Where did he study? Where was he born? Why follow an unknown?

Very strange indeed.
Thank you, as you have my mind jogging I will say.
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syed_z
01-22-2015, 04:13 AM
The Crisis of ISIS: A Prophetic Prediction | Sermon by Hamza Yusuf




Who could explain this man and his followers better than The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) himself. Very good lecture by Sheikh Hamza, quotes ahadith of the Prophet that describe the name and characteristics of these young and foolish from within this Ummah who would try to destroy the Ummah.
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MuslimInshallah
01-22-2015, 01:56 PM
Assalaamu alaikum,

Thank you for posting this Syed. May Allah Bless you for this. It is a longish video (about 38 minutes), but given the amount of pertinent information, it is actually very short. For anyone who wishes to have some clarity in the midst of all the troubles and confusion, this video is like sunlight through dark and mountainous, angry stormclouds.

May Allah, the Sublime and Vast, Help us poor, foolish, arrogant, little creatures to open our hearts to His Guidance and His Beauty and turn away from that which is mazelike and ugly.
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InToTheRain
01-23-2015, 12:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by syed_z
The Crisis of ISIS: A Prophetic Prediction | Sermon by Hamza Yusuf




Who could explain this man and his followers better than The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) himself. Very good lecture by Sheikh Hamza, quotes ahadith of the Prophet that describe the name and characteristics of these young and foolish from within this Ummah who would try to destroy the Ummah.
Jazak Allah for the share. Here is one of the comments

I am not worthy to comment here as a kufar. But I am awed and humbled by this lecture and know true wisdom when I hear it. How? Because true wisdom always seeks the path of love, forgiveness, peace, and understanding of the "other" when at all possible.
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Scimitar
03-20-2015, 07:13 PM
...and WHO IS ISIS?

Hollywood Actor - Sean Penn exposes Bush and Cheney as co-conspirators who seeded ISIS in Iraq and Syria... scoop

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While appearing on the TBS show "Conan," actor Sean Penn claimed Wednesday that former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney "created" ISIS, the terror group that has taken large areas of Iraq and Syria. The claim, however, runs counter to a CBS News investigation that traced ISIS' roots to a U.S. military prison in Iraq at least two years after Bush left office.


"These are the guys, he and President Bush and some others, who invented Daesh, or ISIS,” he said, referring to Cheney, the Republican liberals refer to as "Darth Vader." “I mean, they really are that which created it, and so I wanted to give him a shout-out," he told Conan O'Brien. "Thanks for that.”


Penn isn't the first liberal to blame Bush for the current situation in Iraq. Last year, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., blamed Bush despite the fact that Obama released the man who now runs the organization in 2009. Penn also conveniently forgot that Bush warned of a group like ISIS forming in 2007 if the U.S. pulled out of Iraq too soon. That warning, unfortunately, went unheeded by Obama.


But Penn wasn't finished with his hateful tirade against Cheney. Referring to the former vice president as an "embittered bacteria of humanity,” he wondered how the Wyoming Republican could still be alive after suffering from heart disease.


“It’s always a surprise to me to remember that, through bionic technology and so on, this guy’s still here,” he added. “We have people like Harvey Milk, who were beautiful, brilliant, impactful guys, and, you know — it’s just no good deed goes unpunished, and then you’ve got the Cheneys. This is just me musing.”


But Penn's hateful "musings" are not uncommon among the left. As we have reported several times, liberal hatemongers have repeatedly wished death on Cheney. In 2012, for example, liberals wished death on Cheney even as he was recovering from heart transplant surgery.


The hatred wasn't limited to social media. Last year, a New York Times writer wondered if it would be okay to torture Cheney after an appearance on NBC's Meet The Press.


"So if we have reason to think Dick Cheney seeks to destroy our vital values & institutions, at cost of US lives, is it OK to torture him?" tweeted David Dobbs, a writer who also contributes to the far-left wing Slate.


Penn, The Hill added, won an Oscar in 2009 for his portrayal of Milk, the first openly gay person elected to public office in California. He reportedly appeared on "Conan" to promote his latest film, "The Gunman."


In February 2011, we first said that liberalism, at its core, is an ideology of rage and hate. Liberals like Penn prove that assertion correct on just about any given day.




http://www.examiner.com/article/acto...y-created-isis

Scimi
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sister herb
03-20-2015, 11:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Snow
And why are people saying that they follow him?
There are only rumors on who he is, where he was born, what his early life was...
Many sources start with "some people believe..." and so on.

Very little footage is available on him and I do not know about any manifesto that he has made.

I would think that the media would be jumping all over who he is, getting some real bio about him, his friends... yet there is so little known about him.
Salam alaykum

The most important we need to know about him is that he is the one who at the Judgement Day is in accountable about all the crimes against Islam and against humanity from the acts his followers has done.

Just like leaders of al Qaeda.

Sorry I have strong opinions against ISIS.
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ardianto
03-21-2015, 02:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
Just like leaders of al Qaeda.
Different than Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahiri who were chosen as Al-Qaeda leaders because their charisma and leadership ability and had/have important role in Al-Qaeda, Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi was chosen as IS caliph because he is matched with the scenario. He has no important role in IS except as caliph which actually symbolic. If you often observe IS you will realize it.

IS was built based on scenario that created to fulfill prophecy. This scenario is really sophisticated. If Al-Baghdadi killed, someone will become new caliph immediately. If all of top leaders in IS killed, other people below will rise to the top.

The question is, who had the idea to create this scenario of prophecy?.
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Karl
03-22-2015, 11:24 PM
Is IS or ISIS blowing up Mosques now? It is very bad form to attack and murder on Holy ground no matter what good religion or sect it is. These guys must have no fear of God to behave like this.
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Scimitar
03-23-2015, 12:40 AM
I don't want to think like a takfiri, but whenever i hear about ISIS (or whatever they call themselves now... ISRAEL probably) I feel like they are not real Muslims.

Of course, the exposure on the so called khaliph showinng him to be Jew born Shimone Elliot and part and parcel of Mossad, can my opinion be helped? Am I supposed to think well of a tyrant who kills the deen? Kills innocents, destroys houses, buildings and places of antiquity and places of worship?

How is any Muslim supposed to feel about someone like that? Because his acts do not for one second reflect Islam - so how can I honestly believe him to be a Muslim - especially given his heritage and ties to israeli secret service?

Can someone explain how I cannot call the so called Khaliph Ibraheem a kafir?

Scimi
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yahia12
03-27-2015, 02:35 AM
Oh dear! What happened to this beautiful deen. imsad
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islamfriend
04-05-2015, 10:48 PM
The most beloved friend and successor of Prophet Muhmmad (S.A.W)
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Abz2000
04-29-2015, 05:15 PM
Simon the Zealot reportedly chopped off the roman soldier's ear!

Name:*Sicarii.Sicarii*comes from the Latin word for dagger*sica, and means assasins or murderers. The Sicarii, or "dagger men" carried out murders and assassinations with short daggers.*Founded In:*1st Century CE (Common Era, the first year that Jesus Christ is assumed to have been born. Also called A.D.,*anno domini, meaning "in the year of our Lord.")The Sicarii were led by descendents of Judas of Galilee, who helped foster revolt against direct Roman rule in 6 CE, when they attempted to carry out a census of the Jews under the rule of Roman governor Quirinius in Syria, so that they could tax them. Judas famously proclaimed that the Jews should be ruled by God alone.

Home Base:*Judea. Romans, taking off from the biblical description of Jewish kingdom of Judah, called the province they ruled over in ancient Israel Judea. Judea is located in modern day Israel/Palestine, and extends from Jerusalem east and south until the*Dead Sea. It is a fairly arid area, with some mountain ridges. The Sicariis undertook assassinations and other attacks in Jersualem, at Masada and in Ein Gedi.Historical Context:*Sicarii terrorism began as Jewish resistance to Roman rule in the region, which began in 40 BCE. Fifty six years later, in 6 CE, Judea and two other districts were combined and put under the control of Roman rule in what would later be considered greater Syria.See Also:*Hamas*Jewish groups began violent resistance to Roman rule around 50 CE, when the Sicarii and other groups started using guerrilla or terrorist tactics. All out war between the Jews and the Romans broke out in 67, when Romans invaded. The war ended in 70 CE, when Roman forces devastated Jerusalem. Masada,*Herod's famous fortress*was conquered by siege in 74.

Headed By:*Menahem ben Jair, a grandson of Judas of Galilee, was the leader of the Sicarii until his assassination. His brother Eleazor succeeded him.*Objective:*To end Roman direct rule over the Jews.*Tactics:The Sicariis most notable tactic was the use of short daggers to kill people. Although they were not terrorists in the modern sense, this method of murdering people in crowded places before slipping away did cause extreme anxiety among surrounding onlookers, and thus terrorize them.

As political scientist and terrorist expert David C. Rapaport has pointed out, the Sicarii were distinct in primarily targeting other Jews considered to be either collaborators or quiescent in the face of Roman rule.*They attacked, in particular, Jewish notables and elites associated with the priesthood. This strategy distinguishes them from the Zealots, who aimed their violence against Romans.
These tactics were described by Josephus as beginning in the CE 50s:… a different type of bandits sprang up in Jersualem, the so-called*sicarii, who murdered men in broad daylight in the heart of the city. Especially during the festivals they would mingle with the crowd, carrying short daggers concealed under their clothing, with which they stabbed their enemies. Then when they fell, the murderers would join in the cries of indignation and, through this plausible behavior, avoided discovery. (Quoted in Richard A. Horsley, "The Sicarii: Ancient Jewish "Terrorists,"*The Journal of Religion, October 1979.)

The Sicarii operated primarily in the urban environment of Jerusalem, including within the Temple. However, they also committed attacks in villages, which they also raided for plunder and set on fire in order to create fear among Jews who acquiesced or collaborated with Roman rule. They also kidnapped notables or others as leverage for the release of their own members held prisoner.*


The Sicarii and the Zealots

The Sicarii are frequently described as the same as or a subset of the Zealots, a political party who opposed Roman rule in Judea in the period just before Jesus' birth. The role of the Zealots and their relationship to an earlier movement, the Maccabees, has also been the object of much dispute.*This dispute always involves interpreting histories of the period written by*Flavius Josephus, who is usually referred to as Josephus. Josephus was a historian who wrote several books (in Aramaic and Greek) about the Jewish revolt against Roman rule and about the Jews from their beginnings in ancient Israel, and the only contemporary source who described the revolt*Josephus wrote the only account of the activities of the Sicarii. In his writing he distinguishes the Sicarii from the Zealots, but what he means by this distinction has nevertheless been the basis for much discussion. Later references can be found in the Gospels and in medieval Rabbinic literature.*A number of prominent scholars of both Jewish history and the history of Roman rule in Judea have concluded that the Zealots and the Sicarii were not the same group, and that Josephus did not use these respective labels interchangeably.

Sources consulted include:*Richard Horsley, "The Sicarii: Ancient Jewish "Terrorists,"*The Journal of Religion, Vol. 59, No. 4 (Oct. 1979), 435-458.Morton Smith, "Zealots and Sicarii, Their Origins and Relation,"*The Harvard Theological Review, Vol. 64, No. 1 (Jan., 1971), 1-19.Solomon Zeitlin. "Masada and the Sicarii,"The Jewish Quarterly Review, New Ser., Vol. 55, No. 4. (Apr., 1965), pp. 299-317.

Ayman says fight the romans, big daddy decides there's decepticon autobot software installed in locals and goes after them.
Allah knows best what's in their heaets but history it seems has certain themes which keep playing a loop.
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Snow
04-29-2015, 05:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamfriend
The most beloved friend and successor of Prophet Muhmmad (S.A.W)
Can you elaborate?
What makes him so great, what do you truly know about him? His message... apart from a video and some mixed news reports - that don't seem to know too much about him.

Can you give me a decent biography on him and his believes?
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Abz2000
04-29-2015, 08:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamfriend
The most beloved friend and successor of Prophet Muhmmad (S.A.W)
are you referring to abu bakr al siddeeq?
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