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The-Deist
01-23-2015, 04:55 PM
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"A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food) and a non-believer eats in seven intestines (eats much)."
What if the case is if one trys to build up his body and needs alot of food. Because would'nt then the "alot" of food be beneficial because it would in shaa Allah make you stronger?
So if someone can give me an explanation of this hadith if you are doing something like strength training bodybuilding strengthening the body overall, is the view then changed?
JazakaAllah khair, your brother StrivingforDeen
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ardianto
01-23-2015, 05:21 PM
:wa:

That hadith is about greed and has nothing to do with fitness.

If you must eat much because you need, it's not considered as greed.
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The-Deist
01-23-2015, 05:32 PM
JazakaAllahu khair brother ardianto
May Allah (swt) reward you for your efforts
Aameen
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Signor
01-23-2015, 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by StrivingforDeen
an explanation of this hadith
Helpful links:

http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=71&chapter=9
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...waId&Id=200433
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Aisha
01-23-2015, 06:31 PM
^On a completely separate note, I was told that me having half the normal amount of intestines didn't mean that it was a sign of Imaan. I had to ask :X
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BeTheChange
01-23-2015, 06:44 PM
I think the key message is to eat in moderation like everything else in life.

Not too much and not too little - the only thing we can 'over-consume' is Islam and increase our emaan as there is no danger in practicing and worshiping your faith excessively (all benefits)
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The-Deist
01-23-2015, 08:28 PM
JazakaAllahu khair all of my beloved brothers and sister :D
May Allah (swt) reward all of you for your efforts
Aameen
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 02:09 PM
Brothers and sisters do you know how The Sahaba and the people of old times (may Allah be pleased with them) Bulked up their bodies and gained strenght (heard descriptions of them muscular tall I think everything positive what where their training methods diets any help on it may be appreciated
JazakaAllahu khair
PS. If I left anything out add it :D
May Allah (swt) reward all of you
Aameen
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greenhill
02-02-2015, 02:44 PM
I always go back to the basics when faced with these kinds of scenario.

It starts with intention.

If we take it from a 'fitness' aspect, then the intention is maintaining a healthy lifestyle. Allah wants us to have healthy lifestyle. So eat of the provisions given and that you have earned. Remember also to feed the poor and be charitable.

I generally practice eating until I'm not hungry. Rarely do I eat until I'm full.

:peace:

#added in edit.

I remember in boarding school all those years ago, I was in the school swimming team and a force to be reckoned with in the butterfly stroke. I trained hard, very hard, was unbeaten. But just before I got to my peak fitness, my body broke down..i get fever.. every year this would happen. Answer: boarding school diet sucks. Wasn't getting enough of the right food. :hmm:
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 02:58 PM
My aspect is the strength aspect and power and gain mass aspect I guess:uuh:

Or maybe if it fits it build up my body.

Originally Posted by greenhill
I remember in boarding school all those years ago, I was in the school swimming team and a force to be reckoned with in the butterfly stroke. I trained hard, very hard, was unbeaten.
MashaAllah TabarakaAllah


Originally Posted by greenhill
But just before I got to my peak fitness, my body broke down..i get fever.. every year this would happen
qadar allah wa ma sha'a fa'al sad story
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greenhill
02-02-2015, 03:30 PM
I don't see that edit bit I did. Weird. Yaa, much later, after I had left the school I found out that I needed supplements and stuff. School food was not enough. :exhausted
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by greenhill
I needed supplements and stuff.
I feel that supplements actually hinder my progress or slow it down (BTW what supplements and "stuff" do you use?)
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ardianto
02-02-2015, 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by greenhill
I remember in boarding school all those years ago, I was in the school swimming team and a force to be reckoned with in the butterfly stroke. I trained hard, very hard, was unbeaten. But just before I got to my peak fitness, my body broke down..i get fever.. every year this would happen. Answer: boarding school diet sucks. Wasn't getting enough of the right food. :hmm:
I was a competitive swimmer with private coach when I was kid. Of course I got hard training, especially before competition event. But my coach didn't tell me to eat more or eat special food.

When I was teenager I became motocross racer and I always lost my weight after every race event. Sometime it more than 4 kilos. It's because I never got lunch during race and practice days. I also avoid eat much in the morning because I didn't want to get trouble with my stomach. But after the race event I always regain my weight.
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
But after the race event I always regain my weight.
How do you do it?
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ardianto
02-02-2015, 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by StrivingforDeen
How do you do it?
That's happened naturally. The atmosphere of race create high tension for the racers and make them always in standby condition. But after the race event is over, the tension begin to loosens, and they begin to feel tiredness.

This tiredness made me sleep more and made me want to eat more too. Of course, then I regain my weight.
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
This tiredness made me sleep more and made me want to eat more too.
I don't get how sleeping relates can you explain?
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ardianto
02-02-2015, 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by StrivingforDeen
I don't get how sleeping relates can you explain?
In sleeping you spend calories very less compared when you awake, and if you sleep immediately after eat, then the calories that you get from food will be saved as body fat.

Tension makes your brain commands your body to use energy reserve to make you always in standby condition which you spend much calories. Then after the tension loosens, your brain command your body to regain the calories. That's why you feel you want to eat more. You also always sleepy in this period because your body is trying to save the calories.

And indeed, I slept immediately after ate. :)
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
In sleeping you spend calories very less compared when you awake, and if you sleep immediately after eat, then the calories that you get from food will be saved as body fat.

Tension makes your brain commands your body to use energy reserve to make you always in standby condition which you spend much calories. Then after the tension loosens, your brain command your body to regain the calories. That's why you feel you want to eat more. You also always sleepy in this period because your body is trying to save the calories.
MashaAllah TabarakAllah words of knowldege
PS. People bulking be like "the secret strategy"
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ardianto
02-02-2015, 06:13 PM
But there is difference between "regain" and "gain".

What I was talking about is regaining the weight that had lost, not gaining more weight for bodybuilding purpose. If you want to gain more weight for bodybuilding purpose you cannot eat then sleep because it will makes you going fat. What you should do is eat right food in right amount and do training.
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
But there is difference between "regain" and "gain".

What I was talking about is regaining the weight that had lost, not gaining more weight for bodybuilding purpose. If you want to gain more weight for bodybuilding purpose you cannot eat then sleep because it will makes you going fat. What you should do is eat right food in right amount and do training.
I made my post as a joke...
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The-Deist
02-02-2015, 08:27 PM
How do you increase the size and strenght of your leg especially calves and hamstrings (please give me home and gym option cuz might get to go the gym but not so often) and if you have any exercises it would be much appreciated
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greenhill
02-03-2015, 04:22 AM
I guess, the 'extra' training I was doing was burning up more calories than I was consuming. This is waaaaay before the diets were developed scientifically for the exercises programs we have today. This was during the times when the British football player would be eating steaks 2 days before the game to have the reserve energy for them....apparently...

When they said supplements and stuff, it means (I suppose) the required vitamins, minerals, protein, carbs and the other good stuff we need to effectively keep up with the program. All this I didn't know at that time.. what a waste!

:peace:
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InToTheRain
02-03-2015, 12:58 PM
I believe the Hadith is referring to the blessing that can be found in a food consumed by Muslims. The same food eaten by a Non-Muslim would not nourish him/her as much.

The example for this can be found when a clan chief was captured when he was going for pilgrimage. was captured and bought to Madinah, he was kept and restrained for 3 days and during those 3 days Mohamamd(SAW) would get Sahabas to feed him. After the 3 days passed Mohammad(SAW) released him without ransom. He immediately went and did Whudhu and came back and said the Shahadah. The Sahabas fed him again but he had very little which surprised the Sahabas. Mohammad(SAW) explained to the Sahabas that because now he is Muslim he doesn't need to eat as much to be nourished anymore.

The story is quite famous but I can't remember the name of the Sahaba that was caught :embarrass Although the later part isn't probably known as much.
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greenhill
02-03-2015, 01:53 PM
Kind of reminds me of an article I read sometime back about a Japanese scientist's discovery on how different water can be and the difference it can make by the recitation of 'Bismillah' or other Quranic verses.

Here's an extract I've found.

This scientist also found out that, the Muslims say BISMILLAH before eating/drinking. He says that after saying BISMILLAH on regular water, there are some strange changes happened in the quality of regular water. That make it best water. He also found out that if some one recites the Quran on regular water, it gets the ability for the treatment of different diseases.

Masaru Emoto said: “My Muslim colleague offered to recite Quranic verses over the water. He brought a tape-recorder and played some Quranic verses, and we got the most perfectly-shaped crystals. Then he played the 99 names of Allah (The Almighty). Each name produced a uniquely-shaped crystal. When Dr. Emoto completed these experiments, which lasted 15 years, he published a five-volume book called “Messages from Water“. He wrote: “I have proven that water, that peculiar liquid, is capable of thinking, fathoming, feeling, getting excited, and expressing itself.”

Perhaps explains why? Same things, food and drink, but different effects. Allahualim.


:peace:



the full article is at https://majesticislam.wordpress.com/...-zamzam-water/
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The-Deist
02-03-2015, 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by InToTheRain
The story is quite famous but I can't remember the name of the Sahaba that was caught Although the later part isn't probably known as much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLDBzbzJSM I think that is the one
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The-Deist
02-03-2015, 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by greenhill
Kind of reminds me of an article I read sometime back about a Japanese scientist's discovery on how different water can be and the difference it can make by the recitation of 'Bismillah' or other Quranic verses.
I also remember hearing something like that (my friend told me) but he explained it in a different way so it might have been another study
JazakaAllahu khair may Allah (swt) reward all of you for your efforts
Aameen
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ardianto
02-04-2015, 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by InToTheRain
I believe the Hadith is referring to the blessing that can be found in a food consumed by Muslims. The same food eaten by a Non-Muslim would not nourish him/her as much.

The example for this can be found when a clan chief was captured when he was going for pilgrimage. was captured and bought to Madinah, he was kept and restrained for 3 days and during those 3 days Mohamamd(SAW) would get Sahabas to feed him. After the 3 days passed Mohammad(SAW) released him without ransom. He immediately went and did Whudhu and came back and said the Shahadah. The Sahabas fed him again but he had very little which surprised the Sahabas. Mohammad(SAW) explained to the Sahabas that because now he is Muslim he doesn't need to eat as much to be nourished anymore.

The story is quite famous but I can't remember the name of the Sahaba that was caught :embarrass Although the later part isn't probably known as much.
Is it right that non-believers have seven intestines?. No!. Then why Rasulullah (saw) said that non-believers have seven intestines?.

It because intestines in this hadith is just a supposition. This hadith cannot be interpreted literally. This hadith is not about eating in literal meaning, but about greed.

What Rasulullah (saw) meant was the non-believers never satisfied in chasing the wordly pleasure, like someone who never feel full in eating because he had seven intestines.
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InToTheRain
02-04-2015, 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Is it right that non-believers have seven intestines?. No!. Then why Rasulullah (saw) said that non-believers have seven intestines?.

It because intestines in this hadith is just a supposition. This hadith cannot be interpreted literally. This hadith is not about eating in literal meaning, but about greed.

What Rasulullah (saw) meant was the non-believers never satisfied in chasing the wordly pleasure, like someone who never feel full in eating because he had seven intestines.
:salam: :)

We all have seven intestines:
The seven organs in the Digestive System are the small intestine, large intestine, pancreas, liver, stomach, esophagus, and the gallbladder.

But I think it's not because of greed they have to eat more to be full but because it lacks blessings. The story I mentioned also mentions how a Sahaba eat a lot to become full while he was a disbeliever but later after saying the Shahada he had very little and became full. The Sahabah simply could not eat anymore because he was full after having little.
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InToTheRain
02-04-2015, 09:41 PM
Actually Bro Ardi you're right on this; It is about greed:
http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2012/...en-intestines/

I always understood the Sahaba had less after the Shahada because he became full/satiated by having less due to the blessing in the food. I was probably wrong OR we could both be right, i'll ask around lol
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ardianto
02-04-2015, 09:46 PM
Originally Posted by InToTheRain
:salam: :)

We all have seven intestines:
The seven organs in the Digestive System are the small intestine, large intestine, pancreas, liver, stomach, esophagus, and the gallbladder.

But I think it's not because of greed they have to eat more to be full but because it lacks blessings. The story I mentioned also mentions how a Sahaba eat a lot to become full while he was a disbeliever but later after saying the Shahada he had very little and became full. The Sahabah simply could not eat anymore because he was full after having little.
:wasalamex

One day Rasulullah (saw) invited a non-Muslim and served with goat's milk in normal portion. After drank the goat's milk that non-Muslim asked for more. Rasulullah (saw) gave him goat's milk again. But that non-Muslim ask more goat's milk until finally he drank seven portion.

Next day, that non-Muslim came again, saying shahada and embraced Islam. Rasulullah served him with goat's milk again. He drank it but refused to drink again when Rasulullah (saw) gave him the second portion. Then Rasulullah said "A believer eats in one intestine and a non-believer eats in seven intestines".

This the asbab al-wurud (cause of revelation) of this hadith. Rasulullah (saw) said this to describe the different behaviour between Muslim who feel grateful when he get what he need and non-Muslim who never satisfied with the 'want'.

One intestine and seven intestines in this hadith is just a supposition because biologically there is no difference between a Muslim's body and a non-Muslim's body.

:)
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ardianto
02-04-2015, 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by InToTheRain
Actually Bro Ardi you're right on this; It is about greed:
http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2012/...en-intestines/

I always understood the Sahaba had less after the Shahada because he became full/satiated by having less due to the blessing in the food. I was probably wrong OR we could both be right, i'll ask around lol
Op, I didn't realize you have corrected your post.

I don't know why I thought the quoted post above was written by brother Strivingfordeen. Maybe because I just woke up from sleep?. It's subh time in my place.

:confused:
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The-Deist
02-05-2015, 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by StrivingforDeen
How do you increase the size and strenght of your leg especially calves and hamstrings (please give me home and gym option cuz might get to go the gym but not so often) and if you have any exercises it would be much appreciated
One of the original questions any answers appreciated
JazakaAllahu khair :D
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The-Deist
02-07-2015, 07:58 PM
Assalamu alaikum :D

Have you guys heard of the concept "cheat meal/day" ?
Is it ok to have them?
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