Would you allow your wife to attend a nasheed concert

[anonymous]

Slm

Hope your in the best of health and iman.

It's that time of year again where it's pop concerts are being in the name of Islam and charity.

I think most members are sensible enough to acknowledge that these events are in fact anything but islamic. While I agree there is a difference of opinion on music even those who allow it have very strict conditions when it comes to holding gatherings of this nature.

There should be nothing unislamic ie mingling of the genders and it shouldn't clash with salah. Now its clear the segregation is non existent despite the hosts arguing otherwise. The sisters go in a manner as though they're advertising themselves for marriage and the majority don't grasp the basics of haya and hijab.

Then we have the performers who love the female adulation and do nothing to prevent the screaming and other vulgar behaviour of the largely female audience. they're nothing more than popstar who use their material

as u gather I'm not a fan of such events and don't allow my wife to attend such gatherings. Despite me having a very strong dislike of such events what are others opinions and how would they feel about their wives attending these concerts.

jazak Allah

[strivingobserver98]

:wa:

There are nasheed events which are held in masjids probably before lectures, and room is segregated and everyone observes good etiquette. That I would not mind.

The one you mentioned about massive concert style hall, screaming etc, I would agree with you and avoid it at all costs.

[Abz2000]

Below are some ahadith which should shed some light on how some situations of mixing were resolved and how others were left for people to practice good judgement.
Although they're mainly regarding prayers, they do help in comprehension.


Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house when two girls were beside me singing songs of Bu’ath. The Prophet laid down and turned his face to the other side.
Then, Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly, saying, “Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet?” The Prophet*turned his face toward him and he said, “Leave them alone.”
When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled to the girls and they left.

It was the day of celebration (eid) and the Abyssinians were playing with shields and spears. Either I asked the Prophet or he asked me whether I would like to watch. I said yes. Then the Prophet made me stand behind him while my cheek was touching his cheek and the Prophet was saying, “Carry on, O tribe of*Arfida.”*I became tired and the Prophet asked me, “Are you satisfied?” I said yes, so I left.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 907, Sahih Muslim 892Grade:*Muttafaqun Alayhi*(authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim

The translation is dodgy since i've also seen the term "flute" used in place of musical instruments.
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"Jabir b. Samura reported that there was brought to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) a short-statured person with thick uncombed hair, muscular body,*having a mantle around him and he had committed adultery. He turned him away twice and then made pronouncement about him and he was stoned.*
Then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: We set out for Jihad in the cause of Allah and one of you lagged behind and shrieked like the bleating of a male goat and one of then (goats' gave a small quantity of milk. In case Allah gives me power over one of them, I will punish him (in such a way that it may have a deterrent effect upon others). In another narration transmitted on the authority of Sa'id b Jubair (the words are), that He (the Holy Prophet) turned him away four times."*
*(Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 017, Number 4199)"


In another report, Aisha said:***"By Allah, I saw the Prophet (Saws) standing at the door of my room, when some Abyssinians were playing with spears in the mosque. The Messenger of Allah (saws) screened me with his cloak so that I could watch the spear-play over his shoulder. He stayed there for my sake , until I had seen enough. So pay attention to young girl's need for entertainment." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
http://www.oocities.org/islamicwayz/...al_husband.htm

Assalamu alaikum,

We are a masjid that does not have a curtain, according to the sunnah. A few people are insisting that we put a curtain. Part of their argument is that Umar (ra) banned women from the mosque, so we should put a curtain. People I ask say they never heard this before.

Did Umar ban women from the mosque? I know of a hadith in Sahih Muslim where Umar's grandson (Bilal) wanted to prevent women from coming to the mosque but Umar's son (Abdullah) told him he could not go against the Sunnah of the Prophet.

Wasalam

Sr Kathy

Wa `alaykum as-Salam*Sister Kathy:

Regarding the question:*Did the Commander of the Believers `Umar ibn al-Khattab - Allah be well-pleased with him - prevent women from attending the mosque?

The answer is:*Yes, but only those who stayed there for loitering/relaxation (istirwah), not those attending*fard*Salat.

Khawla bint Qays said: "We were women, in the Mosque [in Madina al-Munawwara], who may have mixed with the men at times and perhaps even flirted (ghazalna) and even harmed themselves in this intermixing; so `Umar said: 'I swear I shall make free women of you again.' So he brought us out (akhrajana) of the Mosque."*
Kanz al-`Ummal*#23131 from Ibn Sa`d's*Tabaqat.

`Umar (RA) never prevented nor forbade women from attending the mosque for the five obligatory prayers nor*Tarawih.This general permission and conditional prohibition is how he understood the meaning of the hadith of the Prophet (S):
"Do not forbid the bondswomen of Allah from [going to] the mosques of Allah."

It is also related that he allowed them to pray Tarawih prayers in the Mosque at Madina far from the men and ordered Sulayman ibn Abi Hatma to be Imam for them, at the far end of the Mosque.*Al-Muhalla*(3:139).
In fact `Umar himself narrated that the Prophet (SAWS) said more explicitly, "If your women ask permission to go out to Salat, do not forbid them!"*
Musnad*Ahmad (1:40).

To that end `Umar made sure they had a separate entrance and exit to the Mosque, which he forbade men from using, and separate ablution facilities.*Al-Muhalla*(3:131 and 4:119).

Yes, `Umar*disliked*for women to go the mosque.
`Atika bint Zayd the wife of `Umar would ask `Umar permission to go to Salat in the Masjid and he would remain silent.
She would continue, "I swear I will go out unless you forbid me."
She used to go out for Salat al-`Isha and Salat al-Fajr.
She was asked once: "Why do you go out like that, knowing how jealous he is?"
She replied: "And what prevents him from forbidding us?"*
Musannaf*Ibn Abi Shayba (1:106).

`Umar once said to her: "I swear that you know very well I dislike it."
She said: "By Allah! I shall not stop until you forbid me."
`Umar replied: "I truly do not forbid you."
And the day `Umar was stabbed to death in the mosque, she was present.
Al-Muhalla of Ibn Hazm (3:139).

It is `A'isha - Allah be well-pleased with her - that tended to forbid the women from going to the mosques, including for the five prescribed prayers let alone*Tarawih.
She gave her reason in the famous statement:
"If the Messenger of Allah had seen what the women of our time do, he would have forbidden them to go to the mosques just as the Israelite women were forbidden."
Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, and the books of Sunan.

The majority of the Ulema if not their Consensus agree - and Allah knows best - that if women go to mosques - for obligatory prayers or otherwise - then there should be (1) a separate entrance for them and (2) space for prayer and facilities they can use in isolation from mixing with and view by the men.

And Allah knows best.

In conclusion: You are right that in the time of the Prophet (S) there was no curtain separating men from women.
The men prayed directly behind the Prophet (S), then the boys, then the women starting behind the last row of the boys. But not having a curtain in the mosque today in not a sunna in the sense of "something not obligatory but carrying reward, the leaving which does not constitute sin.

"Furthermore, the curtain is not against the Sunna but on the contrary is a way to prevent*fitna, which prevention is*fard*and a pre-requisite of obligatory and recommended practices. There is a basic principle that "the prevention of evil take precedence over the obtainment of good."
Such prevention, in other words, applies before everything.

In view of this, the Prophet (S) said that the best place for a woman's Salat is in the privacy of her house, and in another narration: in the privacy of her room. If something approaching the function and purposes of this private space can be reduplicated in the mosque, it should be welcome as something close to*Wajib, not fought.

So the curtain should be accepted, allowing men and women to pray on alternate sides if space does not allow front rows for men and back rows for women, which is a better arrangement. Together with this there should be separate facilities and, if possible, separate entrances.This conclusion reunites the basic stipulations of the texts on the issue of women praying in the Mosque, not on the allegation that "`Umar banned women from the mosque" but in order that believing men and women can obtain the benefits of*Jama`a*without Shaytan interfering with them.*
Wallahu a`lam.
http://www.***********/msaec/articles/curtain.htm

I'll try find it inshaAllah, recall reading one in sahih muslim where the Prophet pbuh got a little apprehensive and prevented his (pbuh) wife from seeing performers - when she enquired abt the fact that she was veiled, the reason given was that the man was not veiled.
Though on other occasions he did allow them.
This may have been due to the appearance of the male and it is also recorded in sahih muslim that the prophet pbuh has admitted to being very jealous and stated that Allah swt was more jealous than him pbuh.

So we can see that discretion and good judgement need to be excersiced in different situations.

[anonymous]

i think its pretty clear cut for anyone with an iota of decency to understand why a woman shouldn't even mention that she'd want to see a male artist perform. Am sure there's plenty of evidence to support this but anyone with decency, would in the interest of their marriage, simply not even consider attending such an event.How would a woman feel about her husband watching a female artist perform, i think men with decency would expect their wife to not be happy and rightly so.

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[greenhill]

Reading this has made me realise how much my life is in the intermingle zone in almost every respect. It's close to being a normal state of affairs. Seriously can't imagine incorporating those discussed items into my family now, probably cause a riot. I mean, if I am to do this, I should take heed on the effects of TV, regulate it for knowledge's sake, kind of thing. Types of activities etc . Then, there's the music issues... soooooooo many things that is useless (if not detrimental) in the overall scheme of things, becomes the 'must have' star attraction. With the children's rights and recent case where the Malaysian parents were jailed and separated from their kid in Sweden. How do we prevent our children from growing up wanting to do what other children are doing? Even if we decided not to have TV in the house, it will soon be questioned. Bit by bit the restrictions they face while their peers are enjoying themselves will make that person bitter. Might even hate his parents. But if we live in an Islamic community and the school is there, within the community then it would be a lot better. Still, the available distraction for entertainment is so vast the many don't have time for salat. How clever is Satan. And he wants to sow seeds of discord and lead mankind astray.:peace:

[hisnameiszzz]

Salaams,

I totally agree.

Normally at my Masjid or community centre, they have nasheed artists come and play, but it is all segregated. For instance, women in women only rooms, men in men only rooms, and no mixing at all.

The nasheed shows you are talking about sound something like a One Direction concert and I would lock my wife (well not lock, but you know what I mean) up at home if she wanted to go to one of them. She might as well just go to a nightclub to mingle with men.

[anonymous]

The thread opener shows his wife videos of married friends dancing with female non muslim private part to privdte part and has the nerve to post this HA HA HA HA oh my days

[anonymous]

What,how can you compare going to a night club to a nasheed concert where the artist is praisin the prophet pbuh thats disgusting. Shame on you and all the other stupid twats who accuse women of worshipping nasheed artists over the prophet pbuh. You will get your comeuppance

[cinnamonrolls1]

Salaams,

I totally agree.

Normally at my Masjid or community centre, they have nasheed artists come and play, but it is all segregated. For instance, women in women only rooms, men in men only rooms, and no mixing at all.

The nasheed shows you are talking about sound something like a One Direction concert and I would lock my wife (well not lock, but you know what I mean) up at home if she wanted to go to one of them. She might as well just go to a nightclub to mingle with men.

Kinda worrying you'd lock up your wife. What is she a prisoner? No need to treat her like a slave