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Abdul Malik k
06-13-2015, 02:49 PM
"The Shari'ah does not legislate for it's absence"



What the above saying means is that in Islam there is no plan B if the Shari'ah is not implemented i.e. no alternative. If we are living in times where the shari'ah has no practical reality - meaning that the Muslims are not ruled over by Shari'ah by the true and legitimate authority of a Khalifah then the only option is to work for its re-establishment. Our adherence to Islam is not limited to parts of the Deen we find easy to come by and neglecting those that we find difficult or testing. May Allah guide us and prevent us from ever thinking of Islam and our duties in this way. If wish to receive a favourable account on Yawm ul Qiyamah how can we ignore our responsibilities? Can we continue to ignore that only living and ruling by Islam can we rescue ourselves and salvage our honour and status in this life?


"O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy."
[TMQ 2:208]


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Abz2000
08-15-2015, 07:19 AM
He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them*
the term "succession" here is translated and interpreted from the term "yastakhlifanna"

when we look at the best example given, we notice that the Prophet pbuh was made to spend the first part of his mission in Makkah, training and inviting in the way of Allah, the persecution was also a part of that training in that it rooted in the hearts of the believers the understanding that there was a need for leadership in the way of Allah,
By the time they reached Madeenah they had enough devout followers to comprise a government.

To say that children are complete and wholesome family without parents, or that a couple can be a complete wholesome family without children is skewed.

when one realises that the meaning behind the term "khilaafatan ala minhaaji an nubuuwah" means "presidency upon the part of prophethood", one understands that although you must do your best to obey Allah regardless of the situation, it is neccessary to attain perfect government that has the power and authority to legislate and enforce legislation according to the commands of Quran and Sunnah.

Moses and the Muslims with him were taken through a similar scenario.
it started off with a bunch of believers enslaved under pharaoh, having almost lost their faith had it not been for the understanding that they needed deliverance from fitnah, and then slowly but surely, the steps led them to form Islamic governance, theirs was so strict that they legally stoned a dude to death for picking manna on the sabbath day.

of course, you can't have much of a party without the revellers.
nor can you have much rights without enforcement.
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OmAbdullah
08-22-2015, 01:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by najimuddin
Assalamu alaikum,

Actually, the Shariah legislates for everything. This "establishment of the Khilafah" understanding is the product of the colonial/missionary influenced educational/propaganda systems that have influenced many Muslims across the world. It is repackaged nationalism. A major premise of this doctrine is that the Ottomans were legitimate Islamic rulers and that Mustafa Kamal abolished the Khilafah in 1924.

A study of history reveals that the Ottomans, in our case at the government level, were not practicing Islam. They were practicing political expediency, which includes taking on the title of Khalif. Because of their not being true representatives of Islam, they were humiliated and their empire was strewn to pieces.

Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient. (Surah 24: verse 55)

Due to our influenced perceptions, many Muslims believe that the "righteous deeds" in the above verse means having meetings, holding talks and conferences, engaging in political dialogue for the betterment of the Muslims, etc. While the aforementioned do contextually fit in this paradigm to a certain extent, these things are not what Allah actually cares about. In reality, the foremost of the "righteous deeds" are the Faraaidh (obligatory acts) that Allah has imposed on us. The greatest of these obligatory acts is Salah. Let's stay with Salah and not go to anything else. That's really enough.

The Masaajid are empty. Most Muslims don't pray Salah. This is seen as a "personal" issue. Consistently observing Salah is seen as being "pious", whereas this understanding is alien in Islam. All Muslims are supposed to pray 5 times a day. This is the starting point of the work that needs to be done. Looking at world events and the actions of supposed Muslim leaders and countries needs to be avoided. Allah will not ask us about what was beyond our control. We need to worry about ourselves and those we have some influence over.

Also, as I mentioned above, Shariah legislates for everything. Allah will not call us to account for things that were beyond our control. The question is: Are we doing the things that are within our control? It may be rhetorical here, but it won't be on the Day of Judgement.

Through reforming ourselves and those we have some influence over, by practicing the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH), we will realize the promise of Allah where we are in our own little way.

Because the Rightly Guided Khulafa and their followers were true adherents of Islam, they realized the promise of Allah on a large scale. I guarantee you, based on the promise of Allah, that if everyone "works" to please Allah wherever they are, non-Muslims will see the beauty of Islam and accept it in droves.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Prayer 5-times a day is essential obligation for us (Muslims). Men must make it with imam in a masjid. But it is not the only requirement of Islam. Every one of us is responsible to apply the Islamic Law on his own person and family.

Those who are the rulers of the Muslim countries are obligated to implement the Islamic Law completely.

IT is Allah Almighty WHO rotates power in the hands of Muslims and non-Muslims from time to time. If a Muslim group/ nation get out of power, it is not for their humiliation. If you call such Muslims humiliated then you may face hard Accounting in the Court of Allah on the Day of Judgment.
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Scimitar
08-22-2015, 01:39 PM
In the Uk we have shariah courts for births, deaths and marriages - barring that, as Muslims we're free to practice Islam in the UK and have many masajids too... not sure what this shariah call is all about. Seems we already have all we need, yet some still want shariah law to be the law of the land of another people... that is very odd.

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OmAbdullah
08-22-2015, 02:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
In the Uk we have shariah courts for births, deaths and marriages - barring that, as Muslims we're free to practice Islam in the UK and have many masajids too... not sure what this shariah call is all about. Seems we already have all we need, yet some still want shariah law to be the law of the land of another people... that is very odd.

Scimi

In the non- Muslim countries like UK it is enough. Alhamdulillah that so much Islamic Law is found there. That means that even the non-Muslim governments have respect for the Islamic Law. May Allah bless such people with full Islam and prosperity, aameen.

As far as the Muslim countries are concerned, it is the obligation of their ruling authorities to enter Islam in full as is mentioned in the translation of the verse 208 of surah Al-Baqarah (as can be seen in the OP) and for that purpose they must implement the Islamic Law in full if they want to protect themselves from the ever-lasting Hell-Fire!!!
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Muhaba
08-22-2015, 02:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Malik k
"The Shari'ah does not legislate for it's absence"



What the above saying means is that in Islam there is no plan B if the Shari'ah is not implemented i.e. no alternative. If we are living in times where the shari'ah has no practical reality - meaning that the Muslims are not ruled over by Shari'ah by the true and legitimate authority of a Khalifah then the only option is to work for its re-establishment. Our adherence to Islam is not limited to parts of the Deen we find easy to come by and neglecting those that we find difficult or testing. May Allah guide us and prevent us from ever thinking of Islam and our duties in this way. If wish to receive a favourable account on Yawm ul Qiyamah how can we ignore our responsibilities? Can we continue to ignore that only living and ruling by Islam can we rescue ourselves and salvage our honour and status in this life?


"O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy."
[TMQ 2:208]


#MuslimsSalvageYourselves

#أيها_المسلمون_أنقذوا_أنفسكم
True.

Those who are in nonmuslim countries (or even muslim countries without sharia ) , it is obligatory on them to do dawah to the nonmuslims as well as the nonpracticing muslims. Prophet Muhammad صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم lived in Mecca for 13 years. During this time, power was with the unbelievers. Islamic law wasn't implemented there, nor were verses of Islamic law revealed, because the implementation of law is for the government and Muslims in Mecca didn't have government. The Muslims only did dawah. Likewise, though it's necessary for Muslims to fully practice Islam in nonmuslim countries, the right thing for them to do is to make dawah to people. You can't enforce the islamic law on kuffar in a nonmuslim country but you can do dawah to them. And because you don't have authority / government in a nonmuslim country therefore you aren't obliged to implement those portions of shariah law that the Muslim government has to implement.

But what about lobbying for autonomy? What chances are there for an autonomous province with shariah law?
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umairlooms
09-18-2015, 11:24 AM
Sometimes I think we have to do what the prophet PBUH did and start from scratch bringing people back to Islam, before having bigger, grander political aspirations. We have failed, in general, to spread the spirit of Islam through Word of Mouth and Action. People came to Islam because they found it to be most just and equitable, people who lived under islam felt the peace and security, we do not have that anymore. Muslims under Muslims do not feel that kind of peace, let alone, anything else.
We must become good muslims , I believe,
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Abz2000
09-18-2015, 01:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by umairlooms
Sometimes I think we have to do what the prophet PBUH did and start from scratch bringing people back to Islam, before having bigger, grander political aspirations.
The Prophet pbuh established an Islamic State with a very small handful of sincere believers who were still learning the faith, we currently have more sincere believers and a complete Quran.
format_quote Originally Posted by umairlooms
We have failed, in general, to spread the spirit of Islam through Word of Mouth and Action.
many have done their sincere best and i wouldn't call them failiures, why do you think that the criminal leaders of kufr and munafiq puppets are so scared of the increasing influence of Islam?below is an example of the munafiq leaders who openly express their hate for what Allah has revealed, while calling themselves Muslim in order to hold position.
BANGLADESHI PM WARNS RADICAL ISLAM SPREADING FROM WEST TO EAST, TELLS CAMERON TO SORT IT OUTRIZWAN TABASSUM/AFP/Gettyby*LIAM DEACON17 Sep 2015The Prime Minister of Bangladesh has warned David Cameron that he needs to do more to tackle domestic Islamic extremism, as British Bangladeshis are funding and exporting*Islamism and terrorism into her nation. She argued that closer cooperation is needed to stop radical Islam spreading from West to East.Bangladesh – a country with the world’s third-largest Muslim population *– is currently experiencing a politicised Islamic revival, in line with that seen across much of the Muslim world. The nation is increasingly seen as fertile soil for Islamic State (IS) recruitment.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015...o-sort-it-out/
format_quote Originally Posted by umairlooms
People came to Islam because they found it to be most just and equitable,
That is still amongst the reasons they research Islam more, however, since it's not a shopping market where you can buy with fake currency, most people come to Islam because they ponder deeply and come to the realization that Islam is the truth and way of life prescribed by their Creator and Sustainer to whom they shall one day inevitably return
format_quote Originally Posted by umairlooms
people who lived under islam felt the peace and security, we do not have that anymore.
that is because the people united upon the truth, sought Allah's assistance, and chose leaders who would work with them in establishing the guidance of Allah.
format_quote Originally Posted by umairlooms
Muslims under Muslims do not feel that kind of peace, let alone, anything else.
Actually Muslims under Muslims do feel peace and prosperity, the problem is the cursed kafir leaders and tyrant munafiq puppets of kufr sabotaging the best efforts of those who try to establish Islam within themselves and their families and communities.
format_quote Originally Posted by umairlooms
We must become good muslims , I believe,
[/quote]Ameen.
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Pygoscelis
09-18-2015, 05:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
why do you think that the criminal leaders of kufr and munafiq puppets are so scared of the increasing influence of Islam?
It could have something to do with a few Muslims calling for Islam to dominate the world, be that by violence or peaceful "dawah", combined with calls for strict shariah in Muslim parts of the world, which these particular Muslims feel should be the entire world. That is a genuine threat to those who want nothing to do with Islam. Combine that with the bogeyman images we get about Islamists, groups like ISIS (should be WASWAS by now) cutting of people's heads etc. Amplify that tenfold through western scare media, and out comes all the hate and fear for Islam that you see from these "kufr". Just Sayin'.
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Abz2000
09-18-2015, 06:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
It could have something to do with a few Muslims calling for Islam to dominate the world, be that by violence or peaceful "dawah", combined with calls for strict shariah in Muslim parts of the world, which these particular Muslims feel should be the entire world. That is a genuine threat to those who want nothing to do with Islam. Combine that with the bogeyman images we get about Islamists, groups like ISIS (should be WASWAS by now) cutting of people's heads etc. Amplify that tenfold through western scare media, and out comes all the hate and fear for Islam that you see from these "kufr". Just Sayin'.
dude, your posts indicate a tendency to cut and run or change the subject totally when faced with fundamental and pertinent questions despite your questions being answered sincerely and truthfully - make it plain obvious that you're trolling and attempting to sow doubts and sedition amongst the ranks.
Islam requires that the law and guidance of God is established plain and simple, and when the implied inhibitions and condemnations come from someone who actively supports kafir (criminal) governments who have unlawfully tried to impose their confused, corrupt and undefinable way of life upon Muslims who are upright law abiding citizens of this universe - with unspeakable violence and confused propaganda one should stop to consider if they're being blindsided.

wmd, need the oil, saddam, alqaeda, 9/11, democracy, freedom - Goldstein!
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Pygoscelis
10-16-2015, 06:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
dude, your posts indicate a tendency to cut and run or change the subject totally when faced with fundamental and pertinent questions despite your questions being answered sincerely and truthfully - make it plain obvious that you're trolling and attempting to sow doubts and sedition amongst the ranks.
Islam requires that the law and guidance of God is established plain and simple, and when the implied inhibitions and condemnations come from someone who actively supports kafir (criminal) governments who have unlawfully tried to impose their confused, corrupt and undefinable way of life upon Muslims who are upright law abiding citizens of this universe - with unspeakable violence and confused propaganda one should stop to consider if they're being blindsided.

wmd, need the oil, saddam, alqaeda, 9/11, democracy, freedom - Goldstein!
^ I only just now noticed somebody replied to my post when somebody clicked like on it. So sorry for the late reply.

You had asked why western people and western governments are afraid of Islam. I answered that directly and succinctly.

A lot of what you talk about above, western interference into the middle east, I agree is motivated by thirst for oil, etc. That isn't the fear part though. That's the greed part. The fear part is how those who want to interfere in the middle east get the political capital to do it. Fear is a powerful motivator, and politicians, especially in the USA use it to full effect. Islam is a convenient bogeyman, as there is some genuine threat to it, especially when groups such as ISIS chop people's heads off on TV, dressed all scary looking in black. Peaceful Muslims who do Dawah and insist that all the world will become Muslim (through peaceful means) are also a threat to those who don't want anything to do with Islam. As I said above, western media uses this threat and amplifies it out of proportion and creates hysteria, and that is what clears the way for western governments to engage in the atrocities they have in the middle east.
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Abz2000
10-16-2015, 09:08 AM
so are you suggesting that the signs and terror that Moses (pbuh) was sent with (if he did exist pygo) was a justification for the crimes of Pharaoh? That Pharah was correct when blaming Moses (pbuh) for pharaoh's own crimes while attempting to divide the people? That the zealots and sicariis were to blame for the roman occupation of the holy land - or at least a justification for the crucifixions and torture that would be meted out whenever there was an uprising?

would a rapist be justified in raping and then killing his victim and then saying, it was love, i only wanted to relieve myself and the violent b*tch scratched me?
she was being negative and calling it zina and rape when i was being positive and calling it love?

117.*We put it into Moses's mind by inspiration: "Throw (now) thy rod":and behold! it swallows up straight away all the falsehoods which they fake!
118.*Thus truth was confirmed, and all that they did was made of no effect.
119.*So the (great ones) were vanquished there and then, and were made to look small.
120.*But the sorcerers fell down prostrate in adoration.
121.*Saying: "We believe in the Lord of the Worlds,-
122.*"The Lord of Moses and Aaron."
123.*Said Pharaoh: "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? Surely this is a trick which ye have planned in the city to drive out its people: but soon shall ye know (the consequences).
124.*"Be sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on apposite sides, and I will cause you all to die on the cross."
125.*They said: "For us, We are but sent back unto our Lord:
126.*"But thou dost wreak thy vengeance on us simply because we believed in the Signs of our Lord when they reached us! Our Lord! pour out on us patience and constancy, and take our souls unto thee as Muslims (who bow to thy will)!
127.*Said the chiefs of Pharaoh's people: "Wilt thou leave Moses and his people, to spread mischief in the land, and to abandon thee and thy gods?" He said: "Their male children will we slay; (only) their females will we save alive; and we have over them (power) irresistible."
128.*Said Moses to his people: "Pray for help from Allah, and (wait) in patience and constancy: for the earth is Allah.s, to give as a heritage to such of His servants as He pleaseth; and the end is (best) for the righteous.
129.*They said: "We have had (nothing but) trouble, both before and after thou camest to us." He said: "It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you inheritors in the earth; that so He may try you by your deeds."
130.*We punished the people of Pharaoh with years (of droughts) and shortness of crops; that they might receive admonition.
131.*But when good (times) came, they said, "This is due to us;" When gripped by calamity, they ascribed it to evil omens connected with Moses and those with him! Behold! in truth the omens of evil are theirs in Allah.s sight, but most of them do not understand!
132.*They said (to Moses): "Whatever be the Signs thou bringest, to work therewith thy sorcery on us, we shall never believe in thee.
133.*So We sent (plagues) on them: Wholesale death, Locusts, Lice, Frogs, And Blood: Signs openly self-explained: but they were steeped in arrogance,- a people given to sin.
134.*Every time the penalty fell on them, they said: "O Moses! on your behalf call on thy Lord in virtue of his promise to thee: If thou wilt remove the penalty from us, we shall truly believe in thee, and we shall send away the Children of Israel with thee."
135.*But every time We removed the penalty from them according to a fixed term which they had to fulfil,- Behold! they broke their word!
136.*So We exacted retribution from them: We drowned them in the sea, because they rejected Our Signs and failed to take warning from them.

137.*And We made a people, considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We levelled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride).
From Quran Chapter 7

46.*We did send Moses aforetime, with Our Signs, to Pharaoh and his Chiefs: He said, "I am an apostle of the Lord of the Worlds."
47.*But when he came to them with Our Signs, behold they ridiculed them.
48.*We showed them Sign after Sign, each greater than its fellow, and We seized them with Punishment, in order that they might turn (to Us).
49.*And they said, "O thou sorcerer! Invoke thy Lord for us according to His covenant with thee; for we shall truly accept guidance."
50.*But when We removed the Penalty from them, behold, they broke their word.
51.*And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people, saying: "O my people! Does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me, (witness) these streams flowing underneath my (palace)? What! see ye not then?
52.*"Am I not better than this (Moses), who is a contemptible wretch and can scarcely express himself clearly?
53.*"Then why are not gold bracelets bestowed on him, or (why) come (not) with him angels accompanying him in procession?"
54.*Thus did he make fools of his people, and they obeyed him: truly were they a people rebellious (against Allah..
55.*When at length they provoked Us, We exacted retribution from them, and We drowned them all.
56.*And We made them (a people) of the Past and an Example to later ages.

From Quran Chapter 43
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Pygoscelis
10-16-2015, 05:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
so are you suggesting that the signs and terror that Moses (pbuh) was sent with (if he did exist pygo) was a justification for the crimes of Pharaoh?
No. I'm not saying any more than what I wrote. You have some people acting in a way that is a minor threat to other people, or perceived as such, and you have people who blow that all out of proportion and use the fear mongering to their ends. This is nothing new. We saw it with Communism a few decades ago. Communism does pose a bit of a threat to capitalism, but they blew it all out of proportion and turned it into the red scare. This isn't a whole lot different.
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Hulk
10-18-2015, 11:32 PM
Only responding to the first post

The Sharia encompasses everything, even if one is in a land that is not under Islamic Rule. If you are in a place where you can fulfil your Fard Ain, you can live there. Using that verse to justify saying that there's no alternative is a fallacy. If a man sees that a non mahram woman is in a situation where she might lose her life and the only way to save her involves physical contact, does it mean that he has to abandon the Sharia to save her? No, because the Sharia takes into account such situations. If you think that the only way a muslim can be truly muslim is under an Islamic government, then you're underestimate Islam, and you're probably not aware of how da'wah works.
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