Have you ever been in Bosnia?

[Mirza06]

If so, why, what was the nature of your visit? I ask this because 99% of muslims that come here from foreign countries only do that so they can enjoy being rich and show off( wealthy Arabs). Anyways, if you were? How was it?

[M.I.A.]

My friend has been a couple times.

Some of the pics he showed me are amazing. Nice place mashallah.

Probably looked like the backpacking hobo type, alhamdulillah.

Don't think he's the type your talking about.

[Mirza06]

Well the living standard here is very low brother. And they've started moving in here quickly, I don't like that at all, but never mind. That's great MashAllah. :)

[M.I.A.]

Ah well, it takes all sorts to make the world turn.

And in the end they have to spend time and money with you.

Probably.

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[Mirza06]

It's different to be a tourist in a country. I'm fine with that. But it's not okay to come here and spend your wealth on buying our land and ensure rich existence for yourself only in our "house". That's just poison for the nation. :)

[sister herb]

^^ This seems to be common way to think in many countries. In my country people dislike rich Russians whose come here and buy land or buy houses from here. As tourists they are welcome of course, when they buy things and leave their money for us. The human nature is same in everywhere. ;D

[M.I.A.]

Fortune cookie time...

No man is an island.


It's a hard concept to explain but imagine you moved to a different land and had to be second class citizens and have-nots.

Immigrants still built firm foundations despite being looked down upon..

But as you state, you have the whole deck never mind the hand.

[Mirza06]

Leaving money and investing is economy is so much different then spendind your money on random stuff and mocking the poor people, homie. :)

[M.I.A.]

Guess you had no troubles before the neighbours moved in right?

I learnt to say please and thankyou, still wierded out when ghetto kids say the same back.

Guess iv gone soft.

What place have you for the soft?

[lonewolf007]

would love to go there one day insha'Allah...........and also travel the world insha'Allah :)

[Ahmed2014]

First of all, many Arabs and Pakistanis have settled after the war after fighting for and helping Bosnia. But most are disrespected by munafiq people who spread lies about them.

There are even Chinese, they own all the small conveniences, THIS was a big shock for me!

Secondly, the Arabs that have invested their money in rebuilding and building in Bosnia, built market places, malls, etc... yes they are rich, they are business people, but they invested their money in building something for and in the country. On the other hand the average Bosnian person may be unemployed, complaining and only whining. The government is corrupt and complete garbage. There is so much corruption. It has nothing to do with these Arabs. I still have family there and this is the reality.

I haven't been there in nine years, but I've seen all the new places that were built by Arabs, and my uncle who is now there tells me and has shown much more. My parents have been there two years ago too and have told me about the newer places.

However the BIGGEST change I witnessed myself was seeing practicing Muslims out in the open, for the first time in this country; bearded brothers, hijabis, niqabis. The deen increased. However at the same time so much kufr has increased too, drugs, clubs (which always existed but now even more), prostitution (just step out of Sarajevo they're all there), increase in gangs/crimes, theft.

The same idiots that used to ridicule religious people are still there. My family while simply walking ended up called "wahabbi" because my mother wore hijab and my father had a beard. Ironically we're converts and these type of guys will boast about being 'proud muslims' while they're having their beer in a cafe outside.

I definetely missed having authentic cevapi

[Eric H]

Fortune cookie time...

No man is an island.

Richard Branson is an island, and he just charges thirty thousand dollars a week to stay on his island, hardly a days pocket money for you ;D

[M.I.A.]

Book holiday through virgin internet on the virgin holidays website, travel to airport on virgin trains, fly virgin airways..

Stay a week in the virgin islands...

Probably.

I can't even imagine how somebody could be that successful.

[Mirza06]

First of all, many Arabs and Pakistanis have settled after the war after fighting for and helping Bosnia. But most are disrespected by munafiq people who spread lies about them.

There are even Chinese, they own all the small conveniences, THIS was a big shock for me!

Secondly, the Arabs that have invested their money in rebuilding and building in Bosnia, built market places, malls, etc... yes they are rich, they are business people, but they invested their money in building something for and in the country. On the other hand the average Bosnian person may be unemployed, complaining and only whining. The government is corrupt and complete garbage. There is so much corruption. It has nothing to do with these Arabs. I still have family there and this is the reality.

I haven't been there in nine years, but I've seen all the new places that were built by Arabs, and my uncle who is now there tells me and has shown much more. My parents have been there two years ago too and have told me about the newer places.

However the BIGGEST change I witnessed myself was seeing practicing Muslims out in the open, for the first time in this country; bearded brothers, hijabis, niqabis. The deen increased. However at the same time so much kufr has increased too, drugs, clubs (which always existed but now even more), prostitution (just step out of Sarajevo they're all there), increase in gangs/crimes, theft.

The same idiots that used to ridicule religious people are still there. My family while simply walking ended up called "wahabbi" because my mother wore hijab and my father had a beard. Ironically we're converts and these type of guys will boast about being 'proud muslims' while they're having their beer in a cafe outside.

I definetely missed having authentic cevapi

My brother from Kosovo. Everything that you said here is false and I'm going to explain myself now and state arguments, since we are talking about my country and problems with Arabs and Pakistanis. Untill 1992 Bosnia was under socialism in Yugoslavia, life was pretty stable and good for everbody including muslims that lived in peace and had right to practice Islam and be righteous.
Then war happened, the help that Pakistanis and Arabs provided us is not even to discuss, but rather is a big shame for the muslim ummah. Not a lot of volounteers from so called "Muslim ummah" or "mujahideen" even came to help, those that did made chaos.

Only some of them came, probably 300 or 400 in total. What those people did in our war was murder of innocent Serbian civillians, slaughter they've done put a big shame on the Army of Bosnia and war crimes that were done by them are now blamed on Bosnians but were done by the same "mujahideen" that are killing innocents in Syria now. So, they accepted some refugees in war, that's true, but the fact that more of them was imprisoned when they arrived then sheltered is horrible. :)

So that's just the war part, now let me get back on their help in the aftermath 2015.


Most of them settled here in Bosnia and built a little "empire" for them. They made a fortune on poor Bosnia after war, that was DEVESTATED, in the deepest meaning of that word. So if I came to Syria now and I open up a shop with good prices, those little kids are going to buy, and it's easy to become rich and profit on them because they are miserable, ya Allah, that's someone elses misery. Or maybe it's just capitalism? Making money under the cloak of Islam and muslim brotherhood, yeah. We are brothers when it comes to money. Pretending to be humanitarian to us but in reality just making profit? Is that brotherhood?

Preaching Islam and brotherhood to us Bosnians but in reality the profit was what all of them wanted.

Now...they live a lavish lifestyle with money that they made on us, mostly Pakistans because Arabs already have it from their oil.

You say that they invested money and built something for the country? Could you name me a single thing that benefited Bosnia as a country?
Only thing they made was luxury apartments and buildings so they can enjoy with their families when they come on holiday. Am I munafiq now brother, when I'm telling the truth?

Only thing that they've done for us was buidlings some Mosques and preaching religion. And those that preach are rich muslims, it's only rich that preach:)

Salamu alaikum.

[Ahmed2014]

wa alaikum salam

Rubbish.

First of all before the war there was no practice of Islam at all in Bosnia. The only Islam that existed was in some villages where some people held on to some sufi traditions. Overall? People didn't pray, people didn't fast, women didn't wear hijab, a man having a beard was non-existent, masajid were places for tourists, not even open for daily prayers.

When the mujahedin came from the Arab world, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc... they brought both the practice and knowledge of Islam. My uncle was the first to embrace Islam in our family and it was seeing how they were in behavior and belief that made him change himself and become a Muslim. Mind you he was an atheist before Islam. A product of Yugoslavia's socialism and nationalism.

Was there MUSLIMS everywhere? SURE Muslims were like 60% of the population BUT BY NAME! Even today the same cultural Muslims will boast about how their great grand father was a hajii "oooh moj djedo je bio hadjia" GREAT how about YOU, what are YOU doing? That's the typical attitude of cultural Bosnian Muslims, they're proud of some ancestral past but don't act upon the deen themselves..

My grandfather came from a Muslim family but since he was orphaned during world war 2 he had to work from 12 and got married young. He had the whole family on his back. Furthermore under socialist communism of Tito religious groups were banned and individuals imprisoned, there was no such thing as religious freedom. Celebrating Christmas, going to church sure! Everyone was 'united' under Slavic nationalism, Serbs drank sljivovica with Bosnian Muslims no problem!

"Bratstvo i jedinstvo" -- Brotherhood and unity! That was the slavic nationalist slogan of Tito's Yugoslavia. People were united upon being SLAVS and to this day some of those who are 'proud of Tito' talk about how 'great' yugoslavia was, but they are not practicing Muslims. They're mostly secularists and atheists.

Tito imprisoned and tortured anyone who was of religious significance or voice, my grandfather's Kosovar Albanian family was divided as a result of the orphan situation and of this communist slavic phenomena. One of my grandfather's brothers was tortured and imprisoned. Alija Izetbegovic who was a part of the "Muslim Youth" movement was also imprisoned and was a political and religious prisoner under Tito. He led the fight against the Serbs alongside the mujahedin.

The propaganda you're talking about 'innocent serbian civillians' comes from Cetnik propaganda. Let me not even get into that. You're just brainwashed by ethnocentricism and Serbian lies who have the AUDACITY to even open their mouths, Ceric's BS (the 'grand mufti of bosnia') and nationalists and munafiqs who are nothing but sell outs when it comes to deen ul islam.

They're the same people who spread the non-sense about the mujahedin, who call them "terrorists" (something Serbians picked up on from americans and started to use in justifying themselves in this continued war against Muslims in Bosnia on political grounds), people who scream/yell "Wahabbi" and who talk about "Our Bosnian Islam isn't like 'THEIR' Islam"

And fear Allah, the only ones who made a 'profit' were war profiteering Bosnians and criminals who drive around in porsches and other expensive cars now through crime. The Arabs and Pakistanis are business people and guess what they established BUSINESSES not GANGS like Bosnian criminals. So all you have is envy and your nationalism that's making you like this. Shame on you.

Just because I don't live there now doesn't mean I don't know what's going on anymore or how it was before the war.

Funny, the moment you step outside of Sarajevo never mind the prostitutes, but what are some of the signs you'll see? Srpska federacija? "Pazi mine" (watch out for mines) or the many Cetnik slogans. I took photos last time I was there, my parents took even more two years ago, it's all over the road to if you drive along.

The war was lost, the moment Muslims weakened and gave up on the deen and returned to nationalism.

[Ahmed2014]

Oh YES another phenomena that's TOTALLY new to Bosnia is SHIISM! And Jehova's witnesses. Yes even Jehova's witnesses have made their way to Bosnia. My cousin was telling me they came to her door lol.

And shiism? Iran and Bosnia have a strong relation now. They are doing their utmost to have 'exchange' programs for students to bring them to Iran and vice versa. My cousin is a Bosnian diplomat and has worked in the Iranian embassy for Bosnia. They are giving da'wah to Bosnians to become shias.

[Ahmed2014]

Oh and I remember the last time I was in Bosnia everyone complained about having NO JOBS and whining about Arabs and Pakistanis opening Masajid too. "we don't need masajid we need jobs". To this day it's the same story always everyone complaining about there being 'nothing'.

So tell me then, how is it some people INVESTED their money and used their minds to MAKE for themselves something to establish themselves that bothers you so much? Mind you many of them DIDN'T come with money! Meanwhile you spit dirt on them, while you just complained about 'no jobs' and complain about how the government is not giving you anything and how the government is corrupt (typical attitude of everyone there). You don't necessarily NEED money to START something. If there is NOTHING after war, that means there's lots of opportunity to establish business, open business, things that are needed, services that are needed, things that didn't exist before that you can work on and bring in. BUT the typical attitude of sitting and doing nothing over there is prominent. I can come up with some jokes o crno gorcu, ali malo te sale izgleda bolje prema bosancu koji samo guzicu zna da sjedi i govori kako nema nista a neradi nista.

So all you have is envy. They established HALAL businesses and Allah reward them with rizq.

The only real war profiteers are the crook gangs and criminals as most bosnians turned to CRIME and made profits. The rest did NOTHING and only complained about there being nothing.

And just for your information not all Arabs somehow 'own oil'. So ignorant. Those mujahedin put their lives at risk and abandoned their home lands to come to HELP YOU in the fight against the Serbs. Meanwhile you spit DIRT on them.

Most of them if they wanted to go back they would have gone back, but they would have been imprisoned and tortured in their home lands. I remember one of the imams of king fahd masjid in Sarajevo, he was Tunisian. He was educated in madina, but he could not return to Tunisia as they would have arrested him and thrown him in prison. So he stayed in Bosnia. Likewise for some brothers who came from Syria. Same story if they went back they would have been imprisoned and tortured. They gave up their home lands and risked their lives!

I only spent two months in the war myself and became a refugee with my mother, my father a year, my uncle the entire war and he fought the entire war. My uncle was shot and injured 3 times during the war and kept fighting.

Both of my grandparents stayed in the war. My grandmother was responsible for distributing food in Ali Pasinovo Polje in Sarajevo. Everyone was suffering. And these people came and turned the war tide around and started winning against the Serbs.

[Mirza06]

Vice president of Yugoslavia was muslim that prayed and practiced, all you said is denied by that :)

[sister herb]

Vice president of Yugoslavia was muslim that prayed and practiced, all you said is denied by that :)

I do not think that you can void and deny so many proofs what brother Ahmed2014 showed with only one argument - which we others don´t even know if it´s true or not. The vice president might has right to practice religion, while all others couldn´t (like brother Ahmed2014 told) but how we know it wasn´t only a publicity stunt to prove to the outside world how free and tolerant for religions the country was.

^o)

[Mirza06]

All he said was false, everybody had right to practice. Source: My parents and grand parents. Ahmed is just a refugee that escaped war and now lives in the west. Easy to talk about us from there. I tod what I had in my post above, rest are lies. :)

[Mirza06]

My father was a soldier in that war. No mujahideen helped us, maybe 300 of them came at all. And those that did killed children.

[Mirza06]

Plus my grandmother prayed even when here muslim was in the communist party. Total freedom brother :)

[Mirza06]

Even when her husband was*

[sister herb]

^^ But his relatives live in there. Their stories are as true like your words are to you. You, like he too, give to us only one side of the whole picture. It´s good to us others to see more than one side.

[Mirza06]

I'd like to know the financial status of his relatives, because middle or upper class people are usually the ones that defend those thesis. Thesis that that are wrong, but are only used by wealthy people to argue, altho it's not even an argument.

[Mirza06]

"First of all before the war there was no practice of Islam at all in Bosnia. The only Islam that existed was in some villages where some people held on to some sufi traditions. Overall? People didn't pray, people didn't fast, women didn't wear hijab, a man having a beard was non-existent, masajid were places for tourists, not even open for daily prayers."


Ofcourse, thanks to Allah s.w.t there was practice, that's the reason we are muslim now. It's not true that masjid were places for tourists, how can you say a lie like that? That's a complete lie since our grandparents and parents had religious classes in masjid and imams were not banned for doing so. Again this is totally true, you can ask anybody a bit older in Bosnia. It was just private, not a subject in school.

"When the mujahedin came from the Arab world, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc... they brought both the practice and knowledge of Islam. My uncle was the first to embrace Islam in our family and it was seeing how they were in behavior and belief that made him change himself and become a Muslim. Mind you he was an atheist before Islam. A product of Yugoslavia's socialism and nationalism."

Product of Yugoslav socialism and patriotism was not lack of religion, rather it encouraged people to work and build their own community and country, unlike now when we are totally dependet on others. Mujahideen did nothing but crimes on the innocents, and they didn't even help at all, we all known this since our fathers were in war. And how can you know better then a man whos father was an Army general or so?

"My grandfather came from a Muslim family but since he was orphaned during world war 2 he had to work from 12 and got married young. He had the whole family on his back. Furthermore under socialist communism of Tito religious groups were banned and individuals imprisoned, there was no such thing as religious freedom. Celebrating Christmas, going to church sure! Everyone was 'united' under Slavic nationalism, Serbs drank sljivovica with Bosnian Muslims no problem!"

Everybody had right to celebrate everything, Eid, Christmans, it didn't mater, there was full religious freedom for every nationality and religion out there. Since my grand- grandmothers husband was in the communist party, nobody forced here to lose her religious beliefes or stop believing, that's an apsurd. Religious freedom was not even a question in Yugoslavia, and that's the reason I'm muslim now, ofcourse.

"Bratstvo i jedinstvo" -- Brotherhood and unity! That was the slavic nationalist slogan of Tito's Yugoslavia. People were united upon being SLAVS and to this day some of those who are 'proud of Tito' talk about how 'great' yugoslavia was, but they are not practicing Muslims. They're mostly secularists and atheists."

Brootherhood and unity of your own people, ofcourse, we will always think like that. A slav is my true brother, and only we can help each other, not a Pakistani or Arab that came for his own interest (ex. business). He was great beacuse he united us with no interest, he was a poor man that in his tough childhood he didn't have no food to eat, he knew how it was for the working class. He always encouraged us to love and support each other, not paying atention on our religious beliefs. Unlike Pakistanis that came here and preached, but didn't nothing for our people except building Mosques. Tito was trully a great man that did what he promised and preached, comrade. :)


"Tito imprisoned and tortured anyone who was of religious significance or voice, my grandfather's Kosovar Albanian family was divided as a result of the orphan situation and of this communist slavic phenomena. One of my grandfather's brothers was tortured and imprisoned. Alija Izetbegovic who was a part of the "Muslim Youth" movement was also imprisoned and was a political and religious prisoner under Tito. He led the fight against the Serbs alongside the mujahedin."

Tito didn't torture anyone, especially not anybody with religious significance, there are various pictures with tito and religious patriarhs and imams together. There was an Imam in Yugoslavia, and he reported that Tito converted to Islam before his death, they found the Quran on his bed in hospital in Slovenia. He always showed his symphaty for the religion of Islam and said how "pure it was". On one occasion he asked students : "Who does speak arabic here", one student raised his hand and said "I , Tito", Tito then replied and said: " My children, learn the language of Arabic, because that's the language of future". So what torture are we talking about? Vice president came to my grandmothers birth, they were are muslims and all practicing. Tito only imprisoned those "muslims" and "believers" that wanted to divide the country under the excuse of religion. Not only muslims, but also goes for the orthodox "religious" propaganda that sparked war after his death. So who was right? Him for imprisoning? Or them for starting the war after his death? We all saw what happened after he died, nationalism sparked and horrible war and genocide happened. Same people that did that were imprisoned in his time because of their sick ideology and beliefes, again, same "beliefs" of "muslims" and "orhodox" that later ruined the country. That's not Islam, that's something horrible and capitalistic.

"The propaganda you're talking about 'innocent serbian civillians' comes from Cetnik propaganda. Let me not even get into that. You're just brainwashed by ethnocentricism and Serbian lies who have the AUDACITY to even open their mouths, Ceric's BS (the 'grand mufti of bosnia') and nationalists and munafiqs who are nothing but sell outs when it comes to deen ul islam."

I'm a Bosniak and a muslim, and this has nothing to do with the Serbian sides, you can search "Bosnian war crimes" and see pictures and evidence for yourself, that were done by the same mujahideen that claimed to be "muslims"

"And fear Allah, the only ones who made a 'profit' were war profiteering Bosnians and criminals who drive around in porsches and other expensive cars now through crime. The Arabs and Pakistanis are business people and guess what they established BUSINESSES not GANGS like Bosnian criminals. So all you have is envy and your nationalism that's making you like this. Shame on you."

We have envy? That's a terrible thing to say. I don't envy on anyones wealth and money. It's just that those same Pakistanis made fortune on poor Bosnia. And they cut down our forests just tu build luxury buildings for them and their children? Where's halal in that? hah I'm not nationalist, I condemn that, my beliefs and political orientation is socialist, so how can I be both at the same time? Wrong judgement , comrade.

"And shiism? Iran and Bosnia have a strong relation now. They are doing their utmost to have 'exchange' programs for students to bring them to Iran and vice versa. My cousin is a Bosnian diplomat and has worked in the Iranian embassy for Bosnia. They are giving da'wahto Bosnians to become shias."

Total lie, nobody preaches anything to us, this is funny bruh, I live here and that doesn't happen.

Oh and I remember the last time I was in Bosnia everyone complained about having NO JOBS and whining about Arabs and Pakistanis opening Masajid too. "we don't need masajid we need jobs". To this day it's the same story always everyone complaining about there being 'nothing'.

So tell me then, how is it some people INVESTED their money and used their minds to MAKE for themselves something to establish themselves that bothers you so much? Mind you many of them DIDN'T come with money! Meanwhile you spit dirt on them, while you just complained about 'no jobs' and complain about how the government is not giving you anything and how the government is corrupt (typical attitude of everyone there). You don't necessarily NEED money to START something. If there is NOTHING after war, that means there's lots of opportunity to establish business, open business, things that are needed, services that are needed, things that didn't exist before that you can work on and bring in. BUT the typical attitude of sitting and doing nothing over there is prominent. I can come up with some jokes o crno gorcu, ali malo te sale izgleda bolje prema bosancu koji samo guzicu zna da sjedi i govori kako nema nista a neradi nista.

Wallahi I'd have to curse now to express my feelings on this statement you said. What do you know about our economy and our jobs? It's not about money at all, it's about not even having a chance to work, to survive and to eat. There are 200.000 children living in Poverty now in Bosnia, and the totall population is only 3.8 million, can you imagine? If I want to get a job now, and I finish the university, I simply can't get it , don't you understand that comrade? I can't get it, and not any normal worker can get it because he's not in the rulling class family. And those that work, work for minimum wage at the same people, Arabs, and Pakistanis that exploit them for their goods, and goods of their own country. There is no opportunity for us, you just don't know anything. Sitting and doing nothing? Our fathers are out there, begging and looking for jobs, and you come here and make that statement while you are in your rich apartment in the west, because you escaped war? Hahahah. But go ahead,

I ain't mad at cha.

[sister herb]

I'd like to know the financial status of his relatives,

Could you ask kind of things from him in private as they sounds quite personal matters? Better not to get too personal in the public discussion as we talk here about matters, not persons themselves (neither their relatives).

[Ahmed2014]

No one practiced Islam in former Yugoslavia, except some villages were people were seen as 'backwards' and in practice really they were as they just followed traditions they lacked knowledge of Islam.

Today 'modern' Bosnians call religious Bosnians as 'backwards' too. "Ti ni si moderan, ma kako to prakticiras religiju bas si zaostavljen", oh you are not modern, man how do you practice religion that's so backwards.

There was no proper official qur'an translation even in Bosnia until it was made after the war. There was some 1977 version but who had one?

You can deny whatever you want Mirza06. You have the typical Bosnian nationalist attitude. Oh because I'm in the west I have no idea now right?

I still remember when the Serbian planes flew down low and blew all the building glass by sonic boom. I still remember when my father went in with other Sarajevo guys with arms to stop the Serbs from approaching further into the city but they had us surrounded already.

So I don't live there anymore but I'm well aware of the mentality of people and the condition of the people. Guess what you're not that special living in a 8km city.

Envy of Muslims who have money, while you sit on your ass complaining about no jobs and there is 'nothing' and as mentioned complaining about building masajid we don't need masajid from Arabs blabla. I've heard all that non-sense before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._of_Yugoslavia

They were all socialist communists.

[Ahmed2014]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alija_...7#Imprisonment

Anyone who belonged to a religious group or any religious sentiment was imprisoned regularly while the 'average' Yugoslav didn't care and didn't know. All meanwhile the "bratsvo i jedinstvo" "brotherhood and unity" slogans of nationalism kept blaring into our ears.

Tell me also before the war how many muslim women were covered? In villages it was told to us only 'old ladies' and 'witches' wear scarfs.

[Mirza06]

You just keep repeating yourself comrade, with no proof or evidence. Everybody had right to practice- only it's the thing of a man will he practice or not. That has nothing to do with the country, it's your own choice. Everything I said is backed up by evidence, and everybody had the Quran, ofcourse, I have no idea where you got that thing. On that list there are 2 muslims, Bosnian and Albanian.

Ofcourse we do not need masjid from Arabs, we already have too many of them, that's the only thing they build for washing money, heh. We go out everyday searching for jobs, and 500.000 is employed under gray economy with no insurance, or whatsover. That's just survivale. But what do you know diaspora boy?

Dzemal Bijedic, a Bosniak, From July 1971 until his death in 1977, he was the Prime Minister of the SFRY government.

Hehe, facts, won't even discuss this more. Enjoy your life in diaspora, true soldiers that fought for Bosnia have nothing now, but you do have everything, and you give yourself the right to talk about us from there. Sad sad, but go ahead daddys boy.

I ain't mad at cha.

[Ahmed2014]

It's too bad there aren't any translations. His Bosnian is spot on, he's a Syrian brother who settled in Bosnia. One of many who married and had children in Bosnia.

They were granted citizenship by Alija Izetbegovic, but many of them had their citizenships revoked later by nationalists who alongside serbs had an agenda against practicing brothers and started calling them all terrorists. Many were falsely accused and innocent and sent to the Americans to be tortured in Guantanamo Bay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYwwE5B0ggc

[Ahmed2014]

You just keep repeating yourself comrade, with no proof or evidence. Everybody had right to practice- only it's the thing of a man will he practice or not. That has nothing to do with the country, it's your own choice. Everything I said is backed up by evidence, and everybody had the Quran, ofcourse, I have no idea where you got that thing. On that list there are 2 muslims, Bosnian and Albanian.

Ofcourse we do not need masjid from Arabs, we already have too many of them, that's the only thing they build for washing money, heh. We go out everyday searching for jobs, and 500.000 is employed under gray economy with no insurance, or whatsover. That's just survivale. But what do you know diaspora boy?

Dzemal Bijedic, a Bosniak, From July 1971 until his death in 1977, he was the Prime Minister of the SFRY government.

Hehe, facts, won't even discuss this more. Enjoy your life in diaspora, true soldiers that fought for Bosnia have nothing now, but you do have everything, and you give yourself the right to talk about us from there. Sad sad, but go ahead daddys boy.

I ain't mad at cha.

I'm not your "comrade". Yes in former yugoslavia we used to call each other 'comrades'.

I'm a muslim and a brother not a communism lover.

You can keep also repeating the typical bosnian rubbish of 'i am diaspora'. But you can be in denial all you want about everything I said.

Yes a 'very' practicing communist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%BEemal_Bijedi%C4%87

[Mirza06]

Yeah, wonder when will Arabs let us marry their women, but they can marry ours. Leave Bosnia alone, all of you middle eastern muslims, that pretend brotherhood and and loyalty.

Only muslims that truly respect us are Turks, not a single one of you more. :)

[Ahmed2014]

Yeah, wonder when will Arabs let us marry their women, but they can marry ours. Leave Bosnia alone, all of you middle eastern muslims, that pretend brotherhood and and loyalty.

Only muslims that truly respect us are Turks, not a single one of you more. :)

I'm married to a half Arab and half African woman.

You and your Turkish blindness.

[Mirza06]

Izetbegovic was trash, his plans were obvious, wanted to make Bosnia Arab, but that will never work, his trashy politics are responsible for the countries status now, sadly, goodbye.

[Mirza06]

I'm in denial, ofcourse, because you are rich, and rich people tend to say things you did now. Normal people don't, heh.

[Ahmed2014]

Izetbegovic was trash, his plans were obvious, wanted to make Bosnia Arab, but that will never work, his trashy politics are responsible for the countries status now, sadly, goodbye.

He wanted to create an Islamic Bosnia, but the 'international' community put a stop to that and what happened? Bosnia went to the pre-war model of dividing Bosnia between Serbs and Croat rule. Muslims getting the boot again.

That's why when you step outside of Sarajevo it literally says Serbian Federation with Cetnik slogans on the road along the way.

You turned your back to pride of Islam and turned to nationalism. That's why the country is a failure.

I'm in denial, ofcourse, because you are rich, and rich people tend to say things you did now. Normal people don't, heh.

HAHA I AM RICH? Another typical idiotic assumption of people over there. I came with NOTHING with my family and still have nothing. A lot of you complain and complain and complain of YOU having nothing. You have houses built for a few generations, you have food.

People over here struggle with things too. Rarely does anyone who comes buy a house or afford a house, most people rent and pay bills to survive. I am certainly not rich and am struggling financially. Assume much?

Just how you assume all Arabs are sitting on oil. You're isolated and ignorant of the rest of the world and in denial of your own country's problems trying to blame it on 'foreigners' who actually helped you.

[Mirza06]

Bosnia was never and never will be Islamic. Bosnia was always home for more than 6 religions and nationalities.

[Mirza06]

And soon as you realize that, you'll be smart. You have a typical foreign muslim opinion. We don't want arabs, pakistans, nor an Islamic Bosnia.

As I said, Bosnia was and always will be home for 6 religions and nationalities. This is where I stop. gl

[Mirza06]

Yeah, they helped me, that's why they drive benz now while we are stuck in Golf II, ahhaghahahhahahh

[Ahmed2014]

And you've just confirmed everything I said. Fear Allah you are ignorant of the religion.

Nationalism is forbidden in Islam and is cursed. You 'dont want' pakistanis and arabs or foreigners?

Then you complain "arabs dont let us marry our women".

I wouldn't let my daughters marry you either with the mentality you have.

[Ahmed2014]

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَـنِ الرَّحِيمِ

Nationalism

Amongst the many trials and tribulations faced by Muslims today, there is the disease of Nationalism. This is to believe that one is superior just by the mere fact that they reside in a certain part of the world, to see their race, culture and traditions to be far better with no basis from the Shari'ah. Allah (swt) tells us why He created us different, so we can recognise each other.

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا
O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another [EMQ 49:13]

People are elevated by Islam

The verse continues to say that only those who have taqwa (fear of Allah) which is a sign of belief are elevated in the yes of Allah (swt).

إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
Verily, the most honourable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware. [EMQ 49:13]

The Messenger said on his farewell sermon.

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor does a black have any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action."

The piety and good action referred to here is Islam, as any other action or way of life will be rejected, as Allah (swt) says,

وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him [EMQ 3:85]

Umar al Khattab said "we are people elevated by Islam, if we chose another way it will only bring disgrace"

Unity amongst Muslims is obligatory

The Muslims are united as one nation, not by blood, nor colour nor race but by following the same deen (religion). This bond of faith is what causes the brotherhood between the believers, as Allah (swt) says,

إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ إِخْوَةٌ
Verily the believers are a brotherhood [EMQ 49:10]

Mujahid, the student of Ibn Abbas (ra) said "this verse is referring exclusively to the Muslims". The Messenger said

"A Muslim to another Muslim is a brother; he does not forsake him nor oppress him"

"The similitude of the Muslims is like one body, if one part suffers the other feels the pain"

"The Muslim Ummah is one at the exclusion of all others, their land is one, their war is one and their peace is one"

With such clear cut evidences dispraising and forbidding the division of the Muslim based upon jahiliyyah (ignorance), one has to think why the Muslim Ummah is in the situation it is today. It is easy just to blame the Muslims and say why they don't practice Islam and why do they allow this to happen. However we also need to look further.

Divide and Rule

Since the advent of Islam there have been many plots to destroy this deen of Allah (swt). Even in the time of the Prophet Muhammad the Mushrikeen (polytheists) of Quraish tried several times to quash the Islamic State in Madinah. Even those residing within Madinah such as the hypocrites and the Jews betrayed the covenant they had with the Prophet (saw) in siding with the enemies of Islam. We should therefore not be surprised that those outside of this brotherhood of Islam will do all they can to destroy it. Allah (swt) says,

وَلَن تَرْضَى عَنكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلاَ النَّصَارَى حَتَّى تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ
Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. [EMQ 2:120]

مَّا يَوَدُّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ وَلاَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ أَن يُنَزَّلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ خَيْرٍ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ
Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture nor Al-Mushrikoun like that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. [EMQ 2:105]

The strategy of "Divide and Rule" is constantly used by the disbelievers to disunite the Muslims. We need only look into history and see how Andulus (Spain) was taken from the Muslims, by the Christians who came in pretending to aid the Muslim governors against each other, only finally to oust the Muslims all together. Even recently the plot to pit Arabs against Turks was successful in destroying the last remnants of the Islamic State in Turkey. This situation continues further with places like Kashmir, Sudan, Iraq and Afghanistan, where the media always make reference to ethnicity rather than Islam or Muslims. Even Palestine which is a concern for all Muslims is reported as an "Arab Israeli Conflict".

Leave nationalism

We should take lessons from the sayings of the Prophet who severely warned us against nationalism. He said,

"He is not one of us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for Asabiyyah or who dies for Asabiyyah."

And in another Hadith, also referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism He said:

"Leave it, it is rotten."

Only through unity can the Ummah return to its former glory, and be as Allah (swt) called it a leading nation.

[Mirza06]

I love Allah, and I strive on his path.
I try to follow the sunnah.
I don't want my country to be "Islamic Republic", Bosnia is home for everybody.
I'm not nationalist, I respect every race, religion and nationality.
I don't want them in a form of help, or staying here, it is fully acceptable for them to come as tourists and muslim brothers.
The reason why I dislike them staying here are their opinions and money loundering by building Masjid.
If they came here to help us, how come they are the ones that drives Benzs and BMWs now, but us not?
That's about it, let's end this here now, salam.

[Mirza06]

You can't force someone to accept another. The best example for that is Islam itself, that took millions of years to be created in a final form, because you can't tell a man just "Believe" it has to take time. :)

[Mirza06]

I have just finished reading your request for "Financial help" and I laughed, that's like an everyday here, but 2 times worse. Funny it seems, heh.

[Ahmed2014]

You're an ignorant nationalist even though you don't realize it, but your very own words and mentality confirm it.

You don't want an Islamic Bosnia. Do you realize the kufr you just uttered? You shame our religion with such thinking. That's why Bosnia is a failure. Not because of someone who established a halal business, it's alive because there are those that establish halal businsses. It's a failure because of the mentality of people like yourself.

What did you get by being ruled by those very same forces that hate us before the war? The rotating presidency.

You still didn't speak about what I said numerous times, step outside of Sarajevo and it says Serbian Federation. Or how about on the hills where Cetniks still live.

[Ahmed2014]

You can't force someone to accept another. The best example for that is Islam itself, that took millions of years to be created in a final form, because you can't tell a man just "Believe" it has to take time. :)

WOW... Islam was revealed and finalized in a period of 23 years, Muhammad salalahu alaiyhi salam was 40 years old when he first received the revelation.

You need to study the seerah more.

There is no compulsion in the deen, but at the same time, as Muslims we are suppose to rule by Islam not kufr.

Read the post on nationalism and re-educate yourself and your mentality.

If you're going to go on and on about 'rich arabs', then I won't even bother anymore. You're full of assumptions about the rest of the world all the while in denial of yourself.. You assumed I was also rich huh? Now you're 'laughing' that I am in a financial stifle myself and you have to let it be known it's an every day thing over there right?

Well at least over here people are STRIVING, while over there people are merely COMPLAINING all the time since the end of the war. People turn to CRIME over there and 'thats okay its surviving', but those that do halal businesses they are to blame for your own joblessness?

[M.I.A.]

BMW £200 per month for two years, then give it back and get something else.

Although if you had 200 spare you would probably spend it on your children lol save or invest.

Work like a dog and hopefully your children will be better off.

Although mankind is created in toil.

Roll your sleeves up and swallow your pride, second place to a just master is the ideal..

Although not always the case.

Lamborghini's in your Lamborghini account.

[MuslimInshallah]

Assalaamu alaikum Mirza, Ahmed,


You know, just a couple of days ago, I had the pleasure of meeting a man from Bosnia. He came to Canada as a refugee, and he is working to help other refugees (from around the world) to come here. He is a quiet and sincere man... (sad) and I hurt him.

You see, he had come to teach the local Muslim community how we might sponsor some Syrian/Iraqi refugees. He had offered us his salaams at the beginning of his presentation, and he had mentioned that he was Bosnian. So I asked him afterwards if he was Muslim?

His face froze, and he said he didn't want to talk about religion. He said his father was Muslim, and his mother Christian, but he... just didn't want to touch on the question of religion. He said he'd seen too many terrible things done by people in the name of religion in his native Bosnia. I tried to say that there is a difference between God and the things people do in His Name... but I think I just made it worse. He was just too tense and even these words seemed to evoke pain.

This man is not rich. He cares about others. He works hard. He's a decent guy. My brothers, you both claim Islam as your religion... (gently) is it not possible that both of you have some fragments of truth, and some errors in understanding? That you are both human, and therefore imperfect...? Because it seems to me that if we can stop taking firm possession of The Truth and arguing with those who have different experiences and points of view... I think that we could create the sorts of conditions that people may need to feel safe enough to explore their relationship with Allah. People like this modest man from Bosnia, who has a heart that longs to do good.


May Allah, the Only One Who truly Knows, Help us open ourselves to one another... for the love of Him.

[Ahmed2014]

First of all one can be kind and nice but will it get him to jannah if they reject Allah? A lot of Bosnian Muslims will talk about how they are good in the heart but do not even pray or fast. This is a typical mentality. The ones who still identify as Muslim but do not practice will quote every hadith left and right about mercy and quote the ayaht about Allah being merciful (meanwhile forgetting that in the same verse it says Allah is the most severe in punishment). When you try to give them da'wah they will bring up how their grandfather was this or that and how they are modern and how they are kind, but will reject actually obeying the deen.

Second.

It's because if you understand the mentality of people in Former Yugoslaiva, there was a deep rooted hatred for religion. People were united upon nationalism and as communist slogan went "brotherhood and unity".

Muslims were not practicing and just muslim in name. The best they would run around about would be about being "Bosniaks" and the only time being Muslim was evoked was when Muslims were targets.

Serbs are obsessed with their ethnic pride and when it comes to religions they don't know the bible, they are just rage filled towards Muslims and always will go on about Turks and their losses of the Byzantine empire. They have entire fables, theatrical plays, novels about bashing Islam and Muslims. They perfected Islam bashing before the west ever did. Stories about Muslims having devil horns and that kind of non-sense. They always had a vision of a 'greater serbia'

Croats were always the 'sophisticated' bunch who tried real hard to be "European". They were catholics and at one point they even allied themselves with the nazis, Ustashe. They bred and fumed their ethnic pride and nationalism. The ustashe had a vision of a 'greater croatia'.

The Bosnian Muslims? Only a marshmellow that twists anyway the others wanted to 'fit in'. So drinking alcohol, hanging out at christmas parties, that was the typical bosnian 'muslim'.

The exception being the village bosniaks who held on some turkish remnants and traditions. Folk music, dancing, some sufi traditions. That type of thing.

The average Yugoslav and say Bosnian in Bosnia before the war was also quote unquote "modern", so they would denounce all religions and just be 'modern', 'get with the times'.


So out of all this you had the clash of religions and the clash of ethnicities/nationalism. And then you have the former yugoslavia nationalism and patriotism.

Where is religion in all this for Muslims? No where. Only after the war did Muslims start learning their identity.

The end result today? You have the cultural muslims who water down the religion and try to appease some of it by also bringing back ancestral history of sufism and turkey.

You have the "muslim" who is an atheist and his grandparents were haajiis but they have no religion.

You have Muslims who actually learned the deen and practice it but they are constant targets of all sides, by secularists/atheists, by the cultural sufi muslims who see them as a 'foreign arab islam', while they talk about "bosnian islam" and of course the serbs and croats who have adopted American style tactics that target Islam and Muslims directly and indirectly.

[Ahmed2014]

And this mentality is not exclusive to Bosnians but cultural people in general, but this is specifically the historical background and situational narrative of Bosnians.

That's why Bosnians intermarried so much too, there was no religion at all. Christians were christian on christmas, muslims would celebrate christmas and voila.

It's only AFTER the war that people started waking up (some people alhamdulillah) hence my point the biggest shock for me was for the first time to see hijabis, niqabis, bearded brothers, call to prayer left and right and people ACTUALLY going to the masjid to pray on time, things that were NON existent before the war.

But likewise the people who were without deen before the war, are still existing and exactly the same like the war never happened.

The other extremity is that some people became even worse and there's been an increase in crimes, drug use, prostitution, clubs/bars/cafes, etc...

People are either former Yugoslav nationalists who talk about 'the past' before ethnicities/religion became a topic. Or they are individual nationalists like 'proud' Bosniak, but still without religion. Or they are people of deen. Or they are people of cultural folk islam and traditions where they water down the religion and try to appease everyone.

These are the distinct groups of people today there.

[Ahmed2014]

I wish I could show you some TV programming of people speaking to hear and see them how they speak and think to get an idea of what I'm talking about, unfortunately none of those have translations.

If you get to see some of the brothers who are upon the deen, you would see their knowledge and sincerity, but then you get to see the opposite from the nationalists and the traditionalists who want to see them destroyed.

They even tried real hard to live their own lives and mind their own business establishing their own islamic communities in other villages and cities, but that wasn't good enough either, they get serb 'bosnian' police to harass them all the time, arrest them and they try to even take their children away. Why? Because they wanted to educate their children with islam for instance denouncing

It's a complicated situation and I will tell you this, Muslims lost in this war, we didn't win, and another conflict will happen again because the exact same things that were happening before the war still are happening, except Muslims are yet again the target 'evil' as we are portrayed everywhere today.

And mind you I was a Christian, but I am telling you all this today as a Muslim.

[Ahmed2014]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAT1KTHcgo0

That king fahd masjid is one of the few masajid that are not cultural and are full of practicing brothers, but they are called 'extremists' following 'foreign islam' because their women wear hijab or niqab and the brothers have beards mashAllah, they take the deen seriously.

The other city masajid which are of turkish times generally attract elderly old people and the youth who are trying to revive turkish history, traditions and sufism. At least that's better than communist atheism.

The translation is slightly inaccurate when the brother talks, he mentions extra details, where he mention we have images even of the past where you would regularly see women in niqabs even these were religious mandates in the past, and he mentions how under communism much of religion was not allowed except small things like burial rituals.

That area where the brother talks near the king fahd masjid is near Ali Pasinovo Polje, which is where my family lived too, this mosque of course didn't exist before the war.

[Mirza06]

Such a foolish statement. You truly have no understanding or whatsover, Islam didn't evovle in 20 years. Islam came before Prophet Muhammad, it started with the first man Adam and his wife. Here you are constantly mentioning someone elses religion and practice, you are judging. These Bosnians didn't practice, they don't practice. What do you know and who are you to judge?

The Mosque Saudis built of "King Fahd" has a golden ceiling, is that Islam, please? Why do I need golden ceilings to pray to Allah? If they gave half of the money they give to build Masjid for people that truly need that money we'd be aight. If they gave it to the people that need God, we'd be aight. Ya know comrade?

The thing here is you can't understand me, you are sitting there in Canada and talking about Bosnia. My father fought a war for Gods sake, and now he has nothings, and that's same for everybody. So how dare you judge someones religion and deen? This went too far, smart ass. You know nothing about as and all you said wasn't even backed up with real arguments, just talk, talk and talk.

Now you are judging sufism? Astagfirullah, who are you to judge? Everybody has his path, and I personaly love sufism.
All you do is judge judge and judge, and talk about how bad we are, but when it comes to economy and facts you have nothing. Typicial diaspora. Salam :)

Just one question for Arabs. How's it possible for you to come here and marry a Bosnian muslim? But we can't, we'd have to pay alot of money to do so? Hypocracy, again, under the cloak of muslim brotherhood.


Golden ceilings at Mosque, that was your biggest help heeheh,

But then again.

I ain't mad at cha.

[Ahmed2014]

You must be some teenager because that's what I get out of you who was raised with the typical Bosnian former Yugoslavia mentality

My uncle fought the entire war and he was shot and injured three times, he was an anti tank unit, he had sharpnel all over his face left in his body. He survived the entire war despite the injuries and continuing fighting. How did he die? He died coming back home from fishing on his motorbike when an army truck with drunk soldiers hit him.

You're obsessed with Arab money and sorry to say you whining about others having money is not going to solve your problem. Arabs didn't ust 'build masajid' they built businesses, they also contributed money. People of Palestine literally collected all their gold and gave it up to have it melted and sent as aid to Bosnians. But what would you know? All you know about is to whine about others money. You're a people who never do anything, expect hand outs and always complain. I know because I know your mentality. I grew up with people like you and nothing's changed with people of your mentality.

You can keep deflecting me as 'diaspora' lol, but it's only your own denial.

This country's failures are not because of Islam but because of LACK of Islam and Allah's punishment like on every other Muslim country, by Qadr of Allah to wake up the dormant Muslims. Some woke up, some didn't

[Mirza06]

I have no failiures in my life to this day, InshAllah I won't have them later. You seriously have to question your brain, it's like talking about Canadian mentality. Thank you :)

[Ahmed2014]

I have no failiures in my life to this day, InshAllah I won't have them later. You seriously have to question your brain, it's like talking about Canadian mentality. Thank you :)

Then why are you whining?

I want you to imagine yourself saying the exact same things you're telling me, that if you were facing the prophet salalahu alaiyhi salam how would you talk to him?

"I don't want no Arabs or Pakistanis in my country"

Btw, Muhammad salalahu alaiyhi salam was an Arab and Islam came from Arabia not from TURKEY.

[Mirza06]

Because where I grew up is wrong, and what my people experience to this day is wrong, and I'm going to fight that for the rest of my life.Just because I'm good doesn't mean I should forget my people. InshAllah one day it will be more efficient than a forum debate, we will see. Everything takes time. InshAllah.

Only person who's whining here is you, asking for financial help on online forum. Pal.

[Ahmed2014]

Ti trebas malo vise da naucis Quran, tvoja arogancija, nacijonalizam samo sebe varas. Boj se Allaha, kako si arogantan. Nesto places kako u bosni, a onda tumacis kako drugi i onda se jos smijes tudjima. Wow.

Ittaqullah.

Typical mentality. Nothing has changed with people like you. Since the war you're still whining. The war ended since 98. While you're sitting on your ass whining, some Arabs and Pakistanis built things in Bosnia. That makes you mad? What have YOU built with your own hands or contributed yourself?

[Mirza06]

Болје ти је шути, везе ти немаш са Босном, нити твој мозак може да разилкује лаж од истине. Уживај ми.

[Ahmed2014]

So wait are you Serbian or Bosnian Muslim. Why write to me in Cyrillic?

Seems like we have a serb pretending to be Muslim on here lol

He wrote this in Cyrllic:

Bolјe ti јe šuti, veze ti nemaš sa Bosnom, niti tvoј mozak može da razilkuјe laž od istine. Uživaј mi.

In English:

"You better shutup, you have nothing with Bosnia, noryour brain can differentiate lies betwene truth. Enjoy yourself"

[Mirza06]

Ask for help only Allah s.w.t , and work for money. Nobody is going to give it to you, whining on online forums, what a shame..

[Mirza06]

I'm not a serb, crylic is part of Bosnian language and we equally write it and learn it in our schools. Education..

[Ahmed2014]

I'm not a serb, crylic is part of Bosnian language and we equally write it and learn it in our schools. Education..

Yeah you learn Cyrllic, the serbian alphabet. This is your we don't want an islamic bosnia result. You're being thought Serbian alphabet, which is so beneficial, but you're not thought the Arabic alphabet.

I learned Cyrllic before the war because we were thought both Latin and Cyrllic in former Yugoslavia

Serbian is 'ekavica' dialect written in Cyrllic while croatian and bosnian are written in latin and ijekavica dialect

[Mirza06]

Brother, again. Crylic is not Serbian alphabet, it belongs to both languages. Ofcourse we learn it because that's the part of our language. And we had crylic before latinic came :)

[Mirza06]

Why would we be tought Arab in our schools? I don't see them teaching Bosnian to their kids, hehe.

[Ahmed2014]

The Serbian Cyrillic alphabet (Serbian: српска ћирилица/srpska ćirilica, pronounced [sr̩̂pskaː t͡ɕirǐlit͡sa]) is an adaptation of the Cyrillic script for the Serbian language, developed in 1818 by Serbian linguist Vuk Karadžić.

And nice touch with the communist flag.

Why teach your children Arabic? Because it's the language of the Qur'an.

Of course no one will want to learn Bosnian in the rest of the world. Why? Unless they have some specific business in Bosnia why would anyone want to learn Bosnian? It's only spoken in Bosnia.

Arabs and Pakistanis I met in Bosnia all spoke fluent Bosnian.

Even Chinese who own all the convenience stores now speak Bosnian (shocked me pretty amazing)

It's like asking me why I haven't learned Somali? Why would I want to learn Somali if it's only used in Somalia? All Somalis speak English in Canada because English is the local language. English is an international language, so is Arabic. But Bosnian or Somali? Nope. Just to make a point.

[Mirza06]

That's not a communist flag..

[Ahmed2014]

Actually it is the pre-war bosnian former yugoslavian socialist flag which has its origins in the socialist communist movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...nd_Herzegovina

The official former yugoslavian flag was the star with gold border and blue on top, white in middle and red on bottom stripes. There were a few party variations too, such as the hammer and sickle. I know because I was in Former Yugoslavia before Bosnia became an official independent country.

Regardless, a Muslim has no business in being a nationalist, and all these made up flags are meaningless. This holds true for all Muslims not just Bosnians. Your mentality is not exclusive to Bosnians, it's exclusive to everyone around the world. Nationalism divides us it doesn't unite us.

Former Yugoslavian nationalism and patriotism 'united' people upon the pride of a nation, while erasing religious and ethnic backgrounds (trying to).

Uniting upon Islam is better for us as Muslims, because it too eradicates all preferences and prides of race, nationhood, ethnicity, tribe and cultural dominance. Islam united us through Allah and Islam. Uniting upon anything other than Islam is bound to always fail. Socialist communist and former Yugoslavia failed. Nationalism has failed.

Those Bosnians who still hold onto these old and fabled national prides have only compromised their deen to appease serbs and croats in the process losing their own religion or watering down the religion to please others.

[Ahmed2014]

Read my post #42 again:

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...ml#post2856793

And throw away those nationalistic or ethnic prides.

Muhammad salalahu alaiyhi salam was an Arab and Islam came from Arabia. Islam didn't come from Turkey or Bosnia.

To me being born in Bosnia, having Serb or Croat or Kosovar or Hungarian or Albanian blood means nothing. Living in Canada, is just a piece of land, like all other lands of Allah. What matters to me is being Muslim. And every Muslim to me anywhere if he fears Allah and worships Allah and follows deen ul islam is a brother. Black, white, brown, I don't care.

None of us chose where or when we are born or to whom we're born. We have only a choice in being muslim and obeying Allah or not.

[Insaanah]

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