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11-09-2015, 06:59 PM
This is a phrase some modernist Muslims have been saying, how true is it?

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Alpha Dude
11-09-2015, 07:23 PM

11-10-2015, 12:54 AM
Asalaam O Alaikum....

I believe there is this tendency in this Ummah and it is very necessary for us to ponder over this tradition of our beloved Messenger of Allah (saw)....

said "Verily, I fear about a man from you who will read the Qur'an so much that his face will become enlightened and he will come to personify Islam. This will continue until Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, desires. Then these things will be taken away from him when he will disregard them by putting them all behind him and will attack his neighbour with the sword accusing him of Shirk. The Prophet Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam, was asked - which of the two was commuting Shirk - the attacker or the attacked. The Prophet, Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam, replied - the attacker (the one accusing the other of Shirk). The classification of this Hadith is Jayyid. (Tafsir ibn Kathir; Vol.2 p265, Amjid Academy, Lahore Pakistan)

....this warning is a tendency that our Prophet (saw) warned this Ummah against, that there will be in them and especially those who become very religious and shaytan misguides them..... they tend to believe that they are the only ones who are following the absolute truth and their perception of anyone and every one who differs with them is considered by them to be a blasphemy against Allah (swt) and his Messenger (Saw).

The Sinner, who indulges in sins such as fornication, alcohol, stealing, interest, etc even though he or she indulges in them but at the end of the day knows that it is wrong. Shaytan knows this person may repent may be or after all...

But what about the one who doesn't know he or she is doing wrong? What about the one who is committing injustice in the name of Islam without realizing their error? There is a saying that one of the most beloved sins to Shaytan is when humans commit them not knowing that they are doing wrong! The sin of Takfir is one of them. Takfir meaning attributing Kufr to one's own brothers and sisters who are misguided in worldly attachments or are following a truth in a distorted way.
Our approach towards them should be with empathy and kindness. The Muslims who do takfir unfortunately do lack empathy. It is unfortunate that a general perception is then formed against all religious folks that they are like these takfiri individuals. It is unfortunate.

We as Muslims should take a stand however we can and whatever way we have the influence to pin point this hatred that exists among us and try to remove it.

11-10-2015, 02:10 AM

The research mentioned in this article has been doing the rounds lately, and may be what has led to the OP making this thread.


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11-10-2015, 02:15 AM
There's no scientific basis to these types of studies you can't gauge something visceral into an observational study. You'll find 10-15% of any given population to be prone to mental illness which runs the gamut.
Probably this 'study' is funded by the likes of Dawkins and there's no shortage of asinine shmucks who buy into it and post it on random forums.

11-10-2015, 03:40 AM
Does the op mean "religious people" as in "people with a deen" / "people with a way of life" / people who live their lives in grateful submission and obedience to their Creator and Sustainer?
or is it meant to mean people with a false man made way of life which they can't make sense of themselves and who totally contradict the laws they write down for themselves - who have giant police forces and soldiery and prison populations and yet try to call it "freedom" and accuse others as "lacking freedom"?

11-10-2015, 08:03 AM
No answer yet i see,

The following information may help you to underatamd the terms you were using - unless of course the words were being used to manipulate a temporary and illusory matrix with no real meaning.

Mathematics and science

Matrix (biology), the material or tissue between cells in which more specialized structures are embedded

Matrix (chemical analysis), the non-analyte components of a sample

Matrix (geology), the fine-grained material in which larger objects are embedded

Matrix (mathematics), a rectangular array of numbers, symbols or expressions
Religion*(from O.Fr.*religion*"religious community," from L.*religionem(nom.*religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," "obligation, the bond between man and the gods"[11]) is derived from the*Latin*religiō, the ultimate origins of which are obscure.
One possibility is an interpretation traced to*Cicero, connecting*lego"read", i.e.*re*(again) +*lego*in the sense of "choose", "go over again" or "consider carefully".
Modern scholars such as*Tom Harpur*and*Joseph Campbell*favor the derivation from*ligare*"bind, connect", probably from a prefixed*re-ligare, i.e.*re*(again) +*ligare*or "to reconnect," which was made prominent by*St. Augustine, following the interpretation of*Lactantius.[12][13]*The medieval usage alternates with*order*in designating bonded communities like those of*monastic orders: "we hear of the 'religion' of the*Golden Fleece, of a knight 'of the*religion of Avys'".

In the ancient and medieval world, the etymological Latin root*religiowas understood as an individual virtue of worship, never as doctrine, practice, or actual source of knowledge.
The modern concept of "religion" as an abstraction which entails distinct sets of beliefs or doctrines is a recent invention in the English language since such usage began with texts from the 17th century due to the splitting of Christendom during the Protestant Reformation and more prevalent colonization or globalization in the age of exploration which involved contact with numerous foreign and indigenous cultures with non-European languages.

It was in the 17th century that the concept of "religion" received its modern shape despite the fact that ancient texts like the Bible, the Quran, and other ancient sacred texts did not have a concept of religion in the original languages and neither did the people or the cultures in which these sacred texts were written.

For example, the Greek word*threskeia, which was used by Greek writers such as Herodotus and Josephus and is found in texts like the New Testament, is sometimes translated as "religion" today, however, the term was understood as "worship" well into the medieval period.

In the Quran, the Arabic word "din" is often translated as "religion" in modern translations, but up to the mid-1600s translators expressed*din*as "law".
*Even in the 1st century AD, Josephus had used the Greek term*ioudaismos, which some translate as "Judaism" today, even though he used it as an ethnic term, not one linked to modern abstract concepts of religion as a set of beliefs.
It was in the 19th century that the terms "Buddhism", "Hinduism", "Taoism", and "Confucianism" first emerged.

Throughout its long history, Japan had no concept of "religion" since there was no corresponding Japanese word, nor anything close to its meaning, but when American warships appeared off the coast of Japan in 1853 and forced the Japanese government to sign treaties demanding, among other things, freedom of religion, the country had to contend with this Western idea.
According to the*philologist*Max Müller*in the 19th century, the root of the English word "religion", the*Latin*religio, was originally used to mean only "reverence for God or the gods, careful pondering of divine things,*piety" (which*Cicero*further derived to mean "diligence").*Max Müller*characterized many other cultures around the world, including Egypt, Persia, and India, as having a similar power structure at this point in history. What is called ancient religion today, they would have only called "law".

Many languages have words that can be translated as "religion", but they may use them in a very different way, and some have no word for religion at all.
For example, the*Sanskrit*word*dharma, sometimes translated as "religion", also means law. Throughout classical*South Asia, the*study of law*consisted of concepts such as*penance through piety*and*ceremonial as well as practical traditions. Medieval Japan at first had a similar union between "imperial law" and universal or "Buddha law", but these later became independent sources of power.
There is no precise equivalent of "religion" in Hebrew, and*Judaism does not distinguish clearly between religious, national, racial, or ethnic identities.
One of its central concepts is "halakha", sometimes translated as "law"", which guides religious practice and belief and many aspects of daily life.

The use of other terms, such as obedience to God or*Islam*are likewise grounded in particular histories and vocabularies.

plural noun:*legions

1.a division of 3,000–6,000 men, including a complement of cavalry, in the ancient Roman army.synonyms:brigade,*regiment,*battalion,*compan y,*troop,*division,*squadron,*squad,*platoon,*cont ingent,*unit,*force,*corps,*garrison,*section,*gro up,*detachment,*commando,*battery,*band,*outfit,*c ohort"a Roman legion"the Foreign Legion.

singular proper noun:*Legion; noun:*the Legiona national association of former servicemen and servicewomen instituted after the First World War, such as the Royal British Legion or the American Legion.noun:*the Legion

2.a vast number of people or things."legions of photographers and TV cameras"synonyms:horde,*host,*throng,*multitude,*c rowd,*dr ove,*mass,*mob,*rabble,*gang,*swarm,*flock,*herd,* body,*pack,*score,*mountain,*army,*sea,*abundance, *profusion"there were legions of photographers and TV cameras"adjectiveadjective:*legion

1.great in number."her fans are legion"synonyms:numerous,*countless,*innumerable,* incalcu lable,*immeasurable,*untold,*endless,*limitless,*b oundless,*myriad,*many,*abundant,*plentiful,*thick on the ground;*
informal umpteen" her fans, who are legion, will love it"

OriginMiddle English: via Old French from Latin*legio(n-*), from*legere*‘choose, levy’.
The adjective dates from the late 17th century, in early use often in the phrase*my, their, etc. name is legion, i.e. ‘we, they, etc. are many’ (Mark 5:9).

Some songs from the secular religions of political party/leader worship:

Es zittern die morschen Knochen*"The rotten bones are trembling" by*Hans Baumann*was, after the*Horst-Wessel-Lied, one of the most famous Nazi songs.

First stanza
Es zittern die morschen Knochen,Der Welt vor dem großen Krieg,Wir haben den Schrecken gebrochen,Für uns war's ein großer Sieg.

The rotten bones are trembling,
Of the World before the great War.
We have smashed this terror,
For us a great victory.

Wir werden weiter marschierenWenn alles in Scherben fällt,Denn heute da hört uns DeutschlandUnd morgen die ganze Welt.

We will continue to march,
Even if everything shatters;
Because today Germany hears us,
And tomorrow the whole World.

Second stanzaUnd liegt vom Kampfe in TrümmernDie ganze Welt zuhauf,Das soll uns den Teufel kümmern,Wir bauen sie wieder auf.refrain

And if there lies in ruins from battle
The whole world,therefore the devil may care;
We build it up again.

Third stanzaUnd mögen die Alten auch schelten,So laßt sie nur toben und schrei'n,Und stemmen sich gegen uns Welten,Wir werden doch Sieger sein.refrain

And the elders may chide,So just let them scream and cry,And if the World decides to fight us,We will still be the victors.refrain

Fourth stanzaSie wollen das Lied nicht begreifen,Sie denken an Knechtschaft und KriegDerweil unsere Äcker reifen,Du Fahne der Freiheit, flieg!

They don't want to understand this song,
They think of slavery and war.
Meanwhile, our acres ripen,
Flag of freedom, fly!

Fourth stanza refrainWir werden weiter marschieren,Wenn alles in Scherben fällt;Die Freiheit stand auf in DeutschlandUnd morgen gehört ihr die Welt.

We will continue march,
Even if everything shatters;
Freedom rose in Germany,
And tomorrow the world belongs to it ["it" meaning "freedom", not Germany].

The battle song of the Nazi Party was the*Kampflied der Nationalsozialisten
by*Kleo Pleyer.

Kampflied der Nationalsozialisten*(Nazi Combat Song)


Wir sind das Heer vom Hakenkreuz,Hebt hoch die roten Fahnen!Der deutschen Arbeit wollen wir,Den Weg zur Freiheit bahnen!

Rough English translation:

We are the army of the swastika,
Raise high the red Flags!
For the German labour we want to clear the path to freedom!
Or does the following verse apply to the accusation?

These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority.
They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
Quran 53:23

Here's more info on the formation and completion of deen al Islam:


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