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Confession Time: I'm disappointed, I think, in Richard Dawkins.
@ First paragraph.
While I'm responding to you, please know the post is not aimed at you, as I'm just sharing my POV on the entire Richard Dawkins' handling of this news story:
At the time of the original story breaking out, I was surprised that Richard Dawkins kept tweeting, as per the reporting of an article, about how the boy called the "clock" an "invention" when it was patently not an invention. Let me share with you a personal story: When I was in 7th grade, also 14-years old, my science teacher assigned us students the task of participating in a program in which children shared their inventions, and the invention would be graded for a classroom grade. Now, I'm not a science buff or a teach-lover, and so I dreaded this project. You know what my invention was? I took a broom and the light construction workers wear on their hard hats and actually just attached the light to the broom by a band type thing. Yes, if you're rolling your eyes or inclined to laugh or think "what the," (sighs)
let me admit to you it was the stupidest "invention" I could dream up. Did I think I'd "invented" something? Yes. Did I like what I'd "invented?" No.
So, I definitely think it was small-minded of Richard Dawkins for harping on that "invention" bit. Kids are not as attuned to the subtleties and do some whatever and might actually think they've been really creative or invented, not withstanding that they actually have not.
Secondly, Richard Dawkins maintaining the position that this was a "hoax" is also just as odd to me. For me, for example, to believe that this 14-year old kid planned this as a hoax, I'd have to believe a) the teacher would see the item as suspicious and would call in higher educational authorities to deal with the situation, b) he knew the teachers, principal, and resource officer would all have not left the matter at simply questioning him about a suspicious-looking item, c) he assumed he would be publicly arrested, d) he had knowledge the public arrest would result in his celebrity. And honestly, I think those things added altogether are a little far-fetched as I could easily imagine this going the other way, that is, maybe the teacher, knowing him as a geeky kid (with those nerdy glasses and tiny build) might not have feel inclined to report him to higher educational authorities. Also, because of the deplorable tendency on parents of our time to almost always side with their child, higher-ups in education simply usually suspend the child instead of having resource officers make arrests (as most do not want to deal with the aftermath that comprises of the headache of parents giving them an earful about what how they were unfair to their "angel.") Also, the person who first broke the story and warned the parents about what would happen was a Hindu I.T. tech guy who had no relation to the family and admitted he did so because he had a visceral reaction to the picture of the child due to feeling like he was looking at a similar version of himself at that age. So, could this entire matter have been a hoax? Possibly, just as I think a meteorite can hit the earth in the next 20.5 seconds. Probable? No. So, what gives?
Also, why is he targeting Ahmed - is it because in the story he's a Muslim child ? Would he have targeted Ahmed if he was, oh, I don't know, an American Jewish child? What about an American Christian child? Would he have then scrutinized and deliberated over how this was a "hoax" just as "religiously" (pun intended!)?
@ Second paragraph.
Let's face it: Religionists (at least most) would like to see Richard Dawkins fall flat on his face! I mean the kind is a celebrity he has in the religious world is not at all in a good way, as I'm sure you know. Therefore, while I believe you (since I have on reason to disbelieve you) about Richard Dawkins using that tweet to silence the "he's a child" comment, the tweet was really in absolutely poor taste because he should have known or expected that people would believe he was or misinterpret that tweet to him comparing the child to the ISIS child executioner. I mean, (come on!) he's an "old hand" at religionists using whatever they can against him and also I should note controversy is not new him. For example, I remember once seeing a YouTube video on how he subconsciously either believed in God or that he too felt he needed God because he said something to the effect of "oh my God! oh my God!" on a radio show (lol
, can anyone say desperate?! (btw, referring here to religionists)). So, for a guy who has reasoned that God doesn't exist, I'm sure he can reason out why there would be hullabaloo about that picture of the ISIS child executioner because there is an extant comparison (even if an unintended one in consequence between Ahmed "the child" and ISIS executioner "the child"). Also, I have an easier time logically reaching the conclusion that a 74-year old should know the consequences of his action versus drawing the conclusion that a 14-year old should have known consequences of his action (as scientifically brain studies of modern humans have showed that adolescents do not have the fully matured ability to exercise good judgment that an adult does, incidentally used as reasoning in the U.S. Supreme Court case Roper v. Simmons
case to overturn the death penalty for adolescents).
Btw, I would still feel this way if in this scenario Richard Dawkins was the Muslim and Ahmed the atheist.
I should note here I don't have anything against Dawkins personally. And I hope I'm wrong, but there's a "but." But I am inclined to think he's probably migrating to the camp of people that spew Islamophobic rhetoric. Also, Dawkins constantly commenting negatively about Ahmed on his Twitter account, hmm, well, me personally
, I would liken to social media bullying, which a lot of people do on the Internet, and I find that phenomena disturbing no matter who is targeting whom.
Finally, I have ambiguous feelings about the court case, not about Ahmed's situation (though I must confess that I was far more sympathetic to Ahmed's case when I hadn't seen the picture of his "clock" released by the authorities).
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis