Originally Posted by walter
All of this is based on the single assumption that the modern Bible can be considered as the successor of these earlier revealed books, which it is not. You are claiming that since the original versions are to believed upon, means by default that the Bible becomes a part of that message, while it is not. Anyone can see that the pattern of writing in the Bible is different from the revelations referred to in the Quran. While Islamic tradition states that these revelations were from the perspective of God and were Divine Revelation, Judeo-Christian Theology states that these are inspired works written by the hands of man, as seen in the texts themselves, which serve as at most, pieces of human history, rather than anything to do with the Divine other than association itself only.
In Islamic tradition on the other hand, and as referred on in these verses, the Quran is the successor of the earlier revelations, containing all the laws and messages required for us in itself, without the need of any other pieces of scripture. It is in the same spirit as the earlier books. This single assumption carries your entire argument. There is no association between the Bible and Divine Revelation, since no Christian can claim that the Bible is Divine Revelation, or that any parts of it are in any way, it is a piece of writing written by man.
Originally Posted by walter
Your entire research falls short again. There are tons of verses that condemn the changing of the words of scripture. Let me state some of these.
"O Messenger, let them not grieve you who hasten into disbelief of those who say, "We believe" with their mouths, but their hearts believe not, and from among the Jews. [They are] avid listeners to falsehood, listening to another people who have not come to you. They distort words beyond their [proper] usages
, saying "If you are given this, take it; but if you are not given it, then beware." But he for whom Allah intends fitnah - never will you possess [power to do] for him a thing against Allah . Those are the ones for whom Allah does not intend to purify their hearts. For them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment." (Quran 5:41)
This verse states that the Priests themselves altered the words by their tongues, changing the meaning of individual concepts, which definitely means the accuracy is not complete.
"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
This verse again states that the people do not know what is in the revelation, but write from their own opinions, thoughts, and conjectures, and what they write, is not from Allah. This is perfect historical accuracy. Since the Bible was, yes, written by the hands and perspectives of men, such as Mark or Matthew.
"But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places
and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"
Again, you can see the alteration of scripture.
Also, you can refer to the Hadith themselves.
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands
and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Again, again, again.
And for my final statement in this section. I shall present to you proof from the Bible itself stating its own corruption.
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (Jeremiah 8:8)
This does not say the tongues of the scribes, nor the words of the scribes, it says the lying pen of the scribes. Meaning, the scribes have wrongfully written the law. This statement shows how their words were wrong and how their pens changed the law.
Originally Posted by walter
Each version of the Bible has differences, and since any one of them can not be stated to be more accurate than any other, the entire accuracy of the scripture falls downward. Their are books accepted in one version, while not in the other. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls refer to the Book of Enoch, which is not part of the most accepted Biblical canons. There were so many books not accepted during the Rule of Constantine, what happened to them? So that establishes how the Bible has a history of human selection over specific books.
And even though we know that the modern Bible was present during Mohammad's (pbuh) life and the Christian Community, we have no proof that any part of these is divine, since people can tell a lie, regardless of whether only years have passed since a person has gone away. The fact that these books existed in history, does not prove anything, since the Gospel of Jesus denied the versions of the Torah left behind, and he was here in 0 CE. Proof that these books were present in these time periods, does not affect how changed they are.
Sorry for derailing the thread, you may continue. I feel you should just give it away, since burning it would be a waste of paper and someone's money.