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burstingspace
01-05-2016, 10:39 PM
salamalakum! heard there was a verse in the Quran(I'm so sorry i forgot the verse:cry:) and people say that it means we will never space travel and see other galaxies and such, is this true?:hmm:^o)
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burstingspace
01-05-2016, 10:41 PM
this is the verse “O assembly of Jinn and men! If you can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the Earth, then pass! Not without authority shall you be able to pass!” [Sûrah al-Rahmân: 33]
eek i don't know how to not make it blue!!! but anyways what does this mean? we will never be able to go out of our solar system??
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ardianto
01-05-2016, 11:45 PM
Wa'alaikumsalam

"O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ]"
(Ar-Rahman: 33 Sahih International)

When we make promise we must say "In Shaa Allah" because we must believe that everything would be happen only if Allah allow it, and everything would not be happen if Allah did not allow it happen.

Then, can human do space travel?. If Allah allow it happen, yes. In fact, human already do space travel. It's because Allah allowed it happen. But not always. Remember the Challenger space shuttle that exploded just few minutes after departure?.
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ardianto
01-06-2016, 12:43 AM
That verse actually does not refer to space travel like we know in the modern day, but refer to desire of some human to fly to the sky and visiting the place where Allah and His angels stay there.
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strivingobserver98
01-06-2016, 01:39 AM
There was a answer given on the IslamToday website about this. I'll share it below:

Implications for Space Travel

Some people have tried to understand this verse as referring to the life of this world, ignoring its context. They have claimed that this verse refers to space travel. The people who have made this assumption are, in turn, divided into two diametrically opposed groups:

1. There are those who say that this verse is proof that space travel is humanly impossible. This group, understandably, has grown much smaller in the past few decades.

2. The other group takes the opposite position. They try to use this verse as proof that the Qur’ân predicts human space flight. They argue that the word “authority” in the verse should be understood to mean “knowledge”.

Ibn `Uthaymîn discusses the weakness of these interpretations in his book Regarding a Trip to the Moon. He discusses at length the problems associated with such interpretations. What follows owes a debt to his excellent work.

Anyone who reads the verse in the broader context of the entire chapter – Sûrah al-Rahmân – will understand clearly that the challenge takes place in the Hereafter. Allah begins the chapter by discussing the creation of humanity and the jinn. Then He tells us how He subjected to His servants the heavens and the Earth. Then He tells us how all the denizens of the Earth shall perish. It is at this point that He says: “Soon shall We settle your affairs, O both you worlds!” This is the Judgment. And at this point, the challenge is given. There will be no escaping from Allah’s judgment.

This is the danger of taking a sentence or a word out of context. A sentence or a word can mean many very different things, depending on the context in which it is used.

Even if we say that the verse could – taken in isolation – be understood to mean either a denial or prediction of space travel, neither of these ideas makes any sense in the context in which the verse is given.

If the verse were predictive as some people have recently alleged, and the word “authority” means knowledge, this would make the meaning of the verse: “O assembly of Jinn and men, you will not be able to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the Earth without knowing how to do so!”

This is, to say the least, just stating the obvious. Nothing that any of us attempt to do can be achieved without knowledge of how to do it. Such a meaning is incongruous with the awe and majesty of the declaration. It makes no sense for something so banal to be declared right after such an ominous warning like: “Soon shall We settle your affairs, O both you worlds!”

It makes equally little sense for such a statement to come right before the equally ominous: “On you will be sent (O ye evil ones twain!) a flame of fire (to burn) and a smoke (to choke): no defense will you have.” [Sûrah al-Rahmân: 35]

There can be no doubt about what the verse means when it is taken in context.
http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-315-3185.htm
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ardianto
02-23-2016, 03:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Milton
Are you saying Allah murdered the crews of all the space flights that ended in disaster ?

The innocent astronauts with families and children ?
Death is destiny. If you believe in God you must be know it.
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ardianto
02-23-2016, 05:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Milton
Is death more important to you than life ?
Life is more important. But no one can avoid death when it has comes. I am sure you know it.
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keiv
02-23-2016, 05:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Milton
Are you saying Allah murdered the crews of all the space flights that ended in disaster ?

The innocent astronauts with families and children ?
NASA murdered those innocent astronauts with families and children.
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burstingspace
02-25-2016, 04:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by keiv
NASA murdered those innocent astronauts with families and children.
guys guys! It was just an accident! Im sure they wouldn't purposely spend tons of money on a rocketship just to kill people that they need!
Those spacesuits themselves cost millions, then the ship costs billions probably! Plus, why would they kill astronauts that they NEED to explore space??
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SSHorror
03-05-2016, 06:06 PM
"O assembly of Jinn and men! If you can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the Earth, then pass! Not without authority shall you be able to pass!” [Sûrah al-Rahmân: 33]"

Sounds like this is referring to beyond the universe. In The Bible, the term "heavens" is also used to refer to space. The mention of Jinn here is suggesting that this verse is referring to spiritual matters rather than physical. Maybe the verse is saying that only with God's authority shall Jinn and man enter heaven as spirits?

In any case I don't think the verse is referring to humans travelling in space and as we know, humans have travelled in space and safely made in back. The Bible makes no reference on space travel and I personally believe that this universe is meant to be explored. I do not believe we are only life-forms here. The universe is too big to be empty. There's billions of stars and more planets. There has to be life elsewhere.
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