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Milton
03-07-2016, 11:33 PM
Did Mohammed order or take part in the beheading of 600 - 800 prisoners after this battle ?
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Abz2000
03-08-2016, 12:34 AM
Yes, the Messenger of God may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him did, after they betrayed the Muslims and broke the terms of treaty and later submitted to the judgement of Sa'd ibn Mu'ad the leader of a huge Medinan tribe who was once their ally.
both the Prophet pbuh and Banu Quraizah submitted to his judgement and he judged them according to God's law, although such a judgement is not specified in the Quran, it was reasonable since they would have had thousands of Muslims slaughtered without right had the betrayal been successful. The rulings of Torah would have been much more severe had the rulings of the Quran not been more tempered and recent.

It was the cousin of the Prophet Ali ibn abi Taalib and i think zubair( ?) who carried out the execution of the sentence, they were careful to avoid killing children as it was a habit of jews of doing, including cattle and women of course.

I so hope house of saud and other leaders think carefully before considering betrayal of God and His Messenger.
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talibilm
03-08-2016, 03:41 AM
Originally Posted by Milton
Did Mohammed order or take part in the beheading of 600 - 800 prisoners after this battle ?
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You had asked about a rare incident which was due to an extra ordinary height of treachery & treason of the toppest degree ,that we would Never ever have seen or ever happened in the history of the world , Banu Qurayza who were being sincerely protected by the Muslims by facing the 4 fold bigger pagan Army but inturn Banu Qurayza wanted to kill the muslims families , women and children at their homes and also help the enemy . Is there any country who would let go free anyone who sells his country secrets ? There is death for even this simple treason. So how about somebody who wants simultaneously kill his own country's President his associates and their families including their kids?, his countries own soldiers & personal guarding his home itself ??? who were working all night and day for weeks with out eating for 3 days to protect the state these infidels (poisonous snakes) were living ??? these chilling paranoids who none will allow when they were already forgiven before and given a chance but still would not change but turned to the worst by betraying Muslims, though living among the muslims and their protection. Banu Qurayaza had such a jealousy for Allah's Prophet because since he did not come among the jews and he was victorious battle after battle.


If Hitler or any other was there he would not have not spared those women and children but would have burnt or killed them ALL by mincing. But Muslims were kind enough to spare them. If Banu Qurayza were spared, no doubt they will Mobile another Big army like their allies banu Nadhir did earlier here with 4 fold army to kill the muslims and that was the right decision and Allah also spared the muslims from blame since they themselves fixed their own fate when they appointed Sa'd Bin Mua'd (ra) their long term Ally to be the arbitrar who wisely & Justly decided such worst creatures who wanted to assassinate their own guards, The Muslims , have no right to live on the face of this EARTH.
RELATED HADITHS

Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 362
Narrated Ibn Umar: Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again) . He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina


NOTE : Banu Nadhir (or Qaynuka) tried to kill Prophet :saws: by inviting him for talks and making him in a spot under a wall of house terrace and push a big rock from its top which was informed by Angel gabriel






Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 447

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The people of (Banu) Quraiza agreed to accept the verdict of Sad bin Mu'adh. So the Prophet sent for Sad, and the latter came (riding) a donkey and when he approached the Mosque, the Prophet said to the Ansar, "Get up for your chief or for the best among you." Then the Prophet said (to Sad)." These (i.e. Banu Quraiza) have agreed to accept your verdict." Sad said, "Kill their (men) warriors and take their offspring as captives, "On that the Prophet said, "You have judged according to Allah's Judgment," or said, "according to the King's judgment."
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talibilm
03-08-2016, 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by Milton
So all 800 were guilty, and not just following orders ?

In the way the natzi leaders were executed, but the armed forces, including the generals were not.
Jews were executed By Natzi in millions including men, women , children not for any war crimes but for being Just Jews, we all know that. So even As per the Law of the OT in one of its verses says like If any one worships another God kill them all and even their Animals. ^o) But Islam never advocated violence based ONLY ON RELIGION and Prophet :saws: even after the Conquest of Mecca allowed the Pagans living around kaaba to worship whatever they believed within their closed doors and were guaranteed safety for nearly two years untill the ban from Allah came to stop their NUDE haj of the kaffirs. You can refer to my earlier posts here how our Prophet even defended Kafirs and also tried his best to give the best and secured life to the 3 tribes of jews who were under threat from the natives of Yatrib (Medina) such was Prophet's Merciful nature though the jews insulted him. Seems you had failed to note the hadiths in previous post which is

''Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 362
Narrated Ibn Umar: Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again) . He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims,but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina

800 were The whole tribe of Banu Qurayza including women, children and the figures of executed are from about 300 up is what i remember. Only after these the Jews sat back from meddling with Muslims but not their treachery and revolt against God itself when they revenged their own God for not sending his last messenger among them ''the chosen people'' ( Prophet Issac's Progeny) , but into their brethren , Prophet Ishmael's Progeny, The Arabs. Jews started corrupting their books more seriously after this , throwing out '' Ellah '' and calling him Yahweh and insulting their own pure Prophets with incest etc errotic stories and sending Ibn Sabah to create the shia faction among muslims etc etc :shade: just to quench their thirst for revenge.
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talibilm
03-09-2016, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Milton
What have natzi war crimes got to do with Mohammed ?

No one follows the old testament, it is irrevevant. Christians follow the teachings of Jesus.

Did the prophet give freedom for any other relegion to practice, without being persecuted or paying a tax ?
Ok , this is a straight forward question for which we can give you the straight forward answer which is YES . If non muslims were persecuted there will be no non muslims left at all in the Middle east. There were 14 million coptic Chrisitians in ME by the statistics in 1980's by the Testimonies in a Anis Sherosh , American Arab Christian - Deedat debate. Similarly there were Jews who live in ME with still 30,000 in Iran living happily then living in Israel. If Islam persecutes as they did with Muslims in Spain none of the non Muslims would survived as it happened with Muslims in Spain unless untill for the past 5 years about 100,000 muslims (mostly converts ) are seen again in Spain.



Without Paying Tax ​? is your another Question

My frank question to you is, do you live in your country without paying tax ??
Paying tax makes you as more Valid citizens of a state. Muslims paid Zakat tax and non muslims how ever super rich he was he did not pay zakat tax but Jizzya tax which assured of equal protection in par with Muslims and as citizens from the state which was also in lieu for non muslims not serving in the Muslim army. here is an example where Muslims not only allowed Christians to remain Christians but that the Christians themselves preferred Muslim rule over that of Heraclius, who was himself a Christian.

During the reign of the second caliph, ‘Umar bin al-Khattaab may Allaah be pleased with him the Roman emperor, Heraclius, raised a huge army to repel the Muslim forces. It was, thus, incumbent upon the Muslims to concentrate their efforts on the battle. When the commander of the Muslims, Abu ‘Ubaydah may Allaah be pleased with him heard this news, he wrote to his officials in all conquered cities in Syria and ordered them to return the Jizyah which had been levied in those cities. He also addressed the public saying;
“We are returning your money because we know that the enemy has gathered troops. By the terms stipulated in the covenant, We have obliged us to protect you. However, since we are now unable to fulfil these conditions, we have returned to you what you paid to us. We shall abide by the terms agreed upon in the covenant, if Allaah helps us to rout the enemy”. Thus, a huge amount was taken from the state treasury and returned to the Christians, making them very happy. They prayed for and blessed the Muslim commanders.
They exclaimed:
“May Allaah help you to overcome your enemies and return you to us safely. If the enemy were in your place, they would never have returned anything to us, rather they would have taken all our remaining property!"







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