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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 09:30 PM
So my father is a Muslim.

I need something to talk about with him.

Suggestions?
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Bhabha
04-17-2016, 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
So my father is a Muslim.

I need something to talk about with him.

Suggestions?

I am confused, elaborate?
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
I am confused, elaborate?
It seems like everything I talk about is haram I guess. So I really say nothing when we meet. He has said it many times.
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Snow
04-17-2016, 09:34 PM
Pretty broad topic.
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by Snow
Pretty broad topic.
Don't just comment, help.
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Bhabha
04-17-2016, 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
It seems like everything I talk about is haram I guess. So I really say nothing when we meet. He has said it many times.
I am actually confused. Your dad is Muslim? What do you talk about with him to make it Haram?
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
I am actually confused. Your dad is Muslim? What do you talk about with him to make it Haram?
I am a non-Muslim. It seems all I talk about or do is haram. What should I do do or talk about so we can actually enjoy some halal time. Because whenever we meet, we barely talk or don't talk.
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Bhabha
04-17-2016, 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I am a non-Muslim. It seems all I talk about or do is haram. What should I do do or talk about so we can actually enjoy some halal time. Because whenever we meet, we barely talk or don't talk.
Well, my family is not Muslim and I am Muslim, I talk to them about food, sports, pets, animals, the delicious mixture of seaweed and rice... which just melts in the mouth :P I talk about books, gadgets, cars, the weather, painting, art, recent political events...
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
Well, my family is not Muslim and I am Muslim, I talk to them about food, sports, pets, animals, the delicious mixture of seaweed and rice... which just melts in the mouth[emoji14]I talk about books, gadgets, cars, the weather, painting, art, recent political events...
Thank you.
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Snow
04-17-2016, 09:46 PM
I don't know.
If you are interested to have a conversation, I'd guess the easiest and most straight forward thing is to find a topic you share.
Arts or life in general.
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Bhabha
04-17-2016, 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Thank you.
You are welcome. I hope that you find a lot of things to talk about this time! :)
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Snow
I don't know.
If you are interested to have a conversation, I'd guess the easiest and most straight forward thing is to find a topic you share.
Arts or life in general.
I think we share no common discussion topics, and if we do I guess we disagree on it on way or another.
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Bhabha
04-17-2016, 10:06 PM
Can I ask, how your father is Muslim, but you are not? >_> curious
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Snow
04-17-2016, 10:10 PM
If you are so distant, why do you want to bond with him?
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
Can I ask, how your father is Muslim, but you are not? >_> curious
Because I left Islam.
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IrfanUllahKhan
04-17-2016, 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
Can I ask, how your father is Muslim, but you are not? >_> curious
Yes me curious too.

Regarding your question, there are sooo many things one can talk about. People even go out and talk to strangers. How can you not talk to your father? Don't you have any stories, or past events to talk about? Any memories that you shared previously?
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by Snow
If you are so distant, why do you want to bond with him?
The first part of your sentence says it.
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IrfanUllahKhan
04-17-2016, 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Because I left Islam.
Really!!!!!

I am amazed because in these times when people are coming to Islam, you are leaving Islam???

Do you know that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world!!!
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Bhabha
04-17-2016, 10:13 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Because I left Islam.
I know this might be personal... but curiosity of mine .. >_>
What made you leave Islam?
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
I know this might be personal... but curiosity of mine .. >_>
What made you leave Islam?
Go on my profile and there will be a few threads. It's obvious which ones they are.
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by IrfanUllahKhan
Really!!!!!

I am amazed because in these times when people are coming to Islam, you are leaving Islam???

Do you know that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world!!!
There are other people leaving it too.

Anyways regarding it being the fastest growing religion.

I don't believe in or care about religion.
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Bhabha
04-17-2016, 10:17 PM
I am still new to this forum and finding the threads you made are hard >_>
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
I am still new to this forum and finding the threads you made are hard >_>
Just go on recent threads.
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IrfanUllahKhan
04-17-2016, 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Go on my profile and there will be a few threads. It's obvious which ones they are.
I can't see profiles of members until I have 25 posts at least!!! :(
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IrfanUllahKhan
04-17-2016, 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
There are other people leaving it too.

Anyways regarding it being the fastest growing religion.

I don't believe in or care about religion.
It apparently seems that you believe in deism, right?
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The-Deist
04-17-2016, 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by IrfanUllahKhan
It apparently seems that you believe in deism, right?
Yes I do.
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IrfanUllahKhan
04-17-2016, 11:37 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Yes I do.
Then you can at least discuss Deism with him! :)
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by IrfanUllahKhan
Then you can at least discuss Deism with him! :)
He does not know I left Islam so, that would give him a hint.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 06:35 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
He does not know I left Islam so, that would give him a hint.
You should discuss any doubts about Islam that you have with your dad, he might help you clear them.

Open up some points for discussion with him.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 07:07 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
You should discuss any doubts about Islam that you have with your dad, he might help you clear them.

Open up some points for discussion with him.
I do not doubt. I entirely disbelieve in religion.
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Bhabha
04-18-2016, 07:36 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I do not doubt. I entirely disbelieve in religion.
I also disbelieve in religion.

However. I do believe in الله (Allah), the Quran and our beloved Prophet (PBUH) because when men were burying their daughters and committing infanticides our beloved Prophet banned this. When women were thought of as chattel and were not given their rights Islam inscribed the laws to make sure women were treated properly. To ensure the protection of women and their rights to property.

Islam is not a religion. But a message sent to man by الله
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 07:44 AM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
I also disbelieve in religion.

However. I do believe in الله (Allah), the Quran and our beloved Prophet (PBUH) because when men were burying their daughters and committing infanticides our beloved Prophet banned this. When women were thought of as chattel and were not given their rights Islam inscribed the laws to make sure women were treated properly. To ensure the protection of women and their rights to property.

Islam is not a religion. But a message sent to man by الله
It's a organized religion, which has a message.
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Bhabha
04-18-2016, 07:46 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
It's a organized religion, which has a message.
Do you believe in a heaven / hell?
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 07:48 AM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
Do you believe in a heaven / hell?
I guess in a way.
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Bhabha
04-18-2016, 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I guess in a way.
How do we get to either heaven or hell?
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 08:13 AM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
How do we get to either heaven or hell?
By God's permission.
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Bhabha
04-18-2016, 08:14 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
By God's permission.
So if you believe in heaven and hell and entry into these is by God. Then you believe in God?
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 08:24 AM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
So if you believe in heaven and hell and entry into these is by God. Then you believe in God?
Yes.
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Bhabha
04-18-2016, 08:30 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Yes.
الحَمْد لله‎

You believe in God at the very least.

So talk about God (الله) with your dad. [emoji4]
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 08:54 AM
Originally Posted by Bhabha
الحَمْد لله‎

You believe in God at the very least.

So talk about God (الله) with your dad. [emoji4]
I don't care to talk about religion.

Plus it's not a casual topic.
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Bhabha
04-18-2016, 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I don't care to talk about religion.

Plus it's not a casual topic.
A paradox [emoji33][emoji38]

Anyhow. Just offering some ideas.

Go watch a game or feed some ducks or fish.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 09:50 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I do not doubt. I entirely disbelieve in religion.
Your father is muslim, you became murtad. Dont you feel like you've betrayed him?

Anyway, you must try to bond with him, talk about your aspirations and goals to him.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 09:52 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Your father is muslim, you became murtad. Dont you feel like you've betrayed him?

Anyway, you must try to bond with him, talk about your aspirations and goals to him.
I don't feel anything in that sense about this.

I am sure I have told him some of my goals.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 09:54 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I don't feel anything in that sense about this.

I am sure I have told him some of my goals.
Is he a person that listens a lot? That will help you talk more about different things.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 09:56 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Is he a person that listens a lot? That will help you talk more about different things.
I don't have anything to talk about.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 09:58 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I don't have anything to talk about.
Do you have any friends? Usually there would be a lot to talk about them to your dad.

Any hobbies do you have?
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:23 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Do you have any friends? Usually there would be a lot to talk about them to your dad.

Any hobbies do you have?
Yeah, but most of the stories are us doing something haram.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:28 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Yeah, but most of the stories are us doing something haram.
Maybe moving in with him will be better for you.

Its never too late, please reconsider Islam, there can be no real enjoyment in life without it.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:31 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Maybe moving in with him will be better for you.

Its never too late, please reconsider Islam, there can be no real enjoyment in life without it.
Better how?
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Better how?
Well only he is muslim in your family right? In that way it is better.
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Kiro
04-18-2016, 10:35 AM
go skateboarding with him

break dance with him

go gocarting
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Well only he is muslim in your family right? In that way it is better.
In your eyes that is.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:39 AM
Yeah if you do stuff with him there will be stuff to talk about.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
In your eyes that is.
I have a lot of concern for you.:hmm:
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Kiro
04-18-2016, 10:40 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
In your eyes that is.
play with water guns
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
I have a lot of concern for you.:hmm:
Such as?
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:43 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Such as?
Your present, your future, just everything, I dont want them in ruins...imsad
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:43 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Your present, your future, just everything, I dont want them in ruins...imsad
In what sense?
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:46 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
In what sense?
The religious issue...

I also feel that you need a strong role model.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
The religious issue...

I also feel that you need a strong role model.
Being around him does not effect my decisions.

Regarding a role model. I won't leave mama.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Being around him does not effect my decisions.

Regarding a role model. I won't leave mama.
Yeah I suppose it wont matter now much what he says since he doesnt live with you so barely any contact.

You dont have to leave her though.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Yeah I suppose it wont matter now much what he says since he doesnt live with you so barely any contact.

You dont have to leave her though.
Actually the process of leaving Islam started if I remember right before a trip he made (I used to live with him).
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 10:57 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Actually the process of leaving Islam started if I remember right before a trip he made (I used to live with him).
There must've been some sort of influence to do something so major. How will he react, if he comes to know, do you know?
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 10:59 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
There must've been some sort of influence to do something so major. How will he react, if he comes to know, do you know?
Actually I did it myself.

I don't know. The thing is Ramadhan is coming and I am not fasting. He could realize from my breath that I am eating.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Actually I did it myself.

I don't know. The thing is Ramadhan is coming and I am not fasting. He could realize from my breath that I am eating.
Yeah that will be something major. Its not easy eating while pretending to fast.

Did you choose to live with mom, I guess?
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Yeah that will be something major. Its not easy eating while pretending to fast.

Did you choose to live with mom, I guess?
Yes I did. I have a plan. I will eat normally. And if he asks me iftar. I use mouthwash.

Case closed, it was easy along.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Yes I did. I have a plan. I will eat normally. And if he asks me iftar. I use mouthwash.

Case closed, it was easy along.
So you'r moving in with dad for Ramadan?

Im assuming mom never instilled love for deen thats how you drifted away.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 11:23 AM
If you and your dad have something in common that could be something to talk about.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
So you'r moving in with dad for Ramadan?

Im assuming mom never instilled love for deen thats how you drifted away.
No no no.

I am not going to live there.

And that's true, my mom just let me do everything I wanted within the legal limit.
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AyserMuhammad
04-18-2016, 11:47 AM
Snow, it seems like you're a Munafiq. Walahi.
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by AyserMuhammad
Snow, it seems like you're a Munafiq. Walahi.
Lol why?
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
No no no.

I am not going to live there.

And that's true, my mom just let me do everything I wanted within the legal limit.
I suppose you find it easier living with no religious restrictions, not that I agree with it.

How many surahs did you memorize?
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The-Deist
04-18-2016, 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
I suppose you find it easier living with no religious restrictions, not that I agree with it.

How many surahs did you memorize?
The less religion, the better for me.

I don't even know how many surahs I have memorized since I probably have forgotten most of them.
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Umm Abed
04-18-2016, 08:04 PM
You can actually keep things in memory for a long time. Im guessing you learnt all the short surahs..
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The-Deist
04-19-2016, 07:09 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
You can actually keep things in memory for a long time. Im guessing you learnt all the short surahs..
Yeah, but I don't think I remember any of them.

I also learnt some long and medium surahs.
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Umm Abed
04-19-2016, 07:24 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Yeah, but I don't think I remember any of them.

I also learnt some long and medium surahs.
Which surahs you memorized, name them? Im interested to know.
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The-Deist
04-19-2016, 07:28 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Which surahs you memorized, name them? Im interested to know.
Until like the surah 89 (89-114) in Quran classes?

And then like Surah Rahman, Surah Luqman and Ash Shuara in free time just by listening to them.
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Umm Abed
04-19-2016, 07:32 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Until like the surah 89 (89-114) in Quran classes?

And then like Surah Rahman, Surah Luqman and Ash Shuara in free time just by listening to them.
Thats a lot, quite amazing.

You've got a good memory definitely..just by listening you made hifdh of those surahs.

So you stopped going Qur'an classes?
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The-Deist
04-19-2016, 07:34 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Thats a lot, quite amazing.

You've got a good memory definitely..just by listening you made hifdh of those surahs.

So you stopped going Qur'an classes?
Yeah I stopped going to classes.
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Umm Abed
04-19-2016, 07:35 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Yeah I stopped going to classes.
I dont know how the teacher let you get away with it, like not even calling you back...
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The-Deist
04-19-2016, 07:37 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
I dont know how the teacher let you get away with it, like not even calling you back...
Not sure.
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Umm Abed
04-19-2016, 07:40 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Not sure.
It is sad that they just left you like that.

Which imam did you copy the best in Qur'an reciting, if you dont mind me asking?
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Umm Abed
04-19-2016, 08:00 AM
Read the translation of the Qur'an and absorb the meaning,

I hope this change you'r going through is just a phase that will pass..
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The-Deist
04-19-2016, 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
It is sad that they just left you like that.

Which imam did you copy the best in Qur'an reciting, if you dont mind me asking?
How is it sad?

I do not know who I sounded like.
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Umm Abed
04-19-2016, 10:10 AM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
How is it sad?
Only a person with Iman will understand, as a muslim.

To answer your OP, you can talk to him about the news in general.
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 01:24 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Not sure.
You should join us in the Qur'an reading thread:)
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
You should join us in the Qur'an reading thread:)
Why?

I don't even own a Quran.
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Why?

I don't even own a Quran.
Just thought it would be nice since you know so many surahs.

What happened to your Qur'an?
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Just thought it would be nice since you know so many surahs.

What happened to your Qur'an?
I forgot it somewhere.

Plus being a non-Muslim I see n reason to have one.
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I forgot it somewhere.
There's always the online one:)

If you have any questions please do ask.
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
There's always the online one:)

If you have any questions please do ask.
Anyways, I do not plan on joining the session.
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farhan
04-20-2016, 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Why?

I don't even own a Quran.
You can read here too: http://www.islamicboard.com/Quran.html

:)
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Anyways, I do not plan on joining the session.
Would be nice if you encouraged the others to complete theirs.
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Would be nice if you encouraged the others to complete theirs.
Being a non-Muslim I see no reason in trying encourage other people to read the Quran.
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Being a non-Muslim I see no reason in trying encourage other people to read the Quran.
At least they would see it as an achievement and form of support.

Anyway,..whenever you'r ready for your next step in life.
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
At least they would see it as an achievement and form of support.

Anyway,..whenever you'r ready for your next step in life.
Next step in life?
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Next step in life?
Yeah, like coming back to Islam, insha'allah you will.
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Yeah, like coming back to Islam, insha'allah you will.
I am not planning on that.
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I am planning on that.
Are you planning to come back to Islam??
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Abed
Are you planning to come back to Islam??
No, I just accidentally forgot to write "not" .
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
No, I just accidentally forgot to write "not" .
It just feels as a nightmare now:facepalm:

I was so looking forward to the good news.:o
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Umm Abed
04-20-2016, 02:31 PM
Anything else you got to say?
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sister herb
04-20-2016, 02:54 PM
If we go back to topic, you could talk with your dad about your future. Like what kind of jobs interest you and what you are planning to study or do after the grammar school. If you don´t know yet, you still can discuss about this subject and ask his advices.

Only problem might becomes if he prefers you to take Islamic studies and become an imam, you might find some problems from this idea. ;)
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O1SIX1
04-20-2016, 09:55 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
It seems like everything I talk about is haram I guess. So I really say nothing when we meet. He has said it many times.
Talk to your dad about Islam to make it halaal.
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 09:57 PM
Originally Posted by O1SIX1
Talk to your dad about Islam to make it halaal.
I am not Muslim.
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O1SIX1
04-20-2016, 10:00 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I am not Muslim.
But he is and you could ask him questions for any doubts you have.
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 10:00 PM
Originally Posted by O1SIX1
But he is and you could ask him questions for any doubts you have.
I have no doubts.
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O1SIX1
04-20-2016, 10:06 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
I have no doubts.
Sweet :p
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by O1SIX1
Sweet :p
Sweet what?
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O1SIX1
04-20-2016, 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Sweet what?
Sweet potato. I am having some. Ay you want some lad? i'll give it ya!
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by O1SIX1
Sweet potato. I am having some. Ay you want some lad? i'll give it ya!
Aight, send me some through UPS.
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O1SIX1
04-20-2016, 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Aight, send me some through UPS.
Fam you think its free or something? Better send that cash to my address :D
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The-Deist
04-20-2016, 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by O1SIX1
Fam you think its free or something? Better send that cash to my address :D
Dem potatoes better be the bomb if you gon make me pay for them
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O1SIX1
04-20-2016, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by The-Deist
Dem potatoes better be the bomb if you gon make me pay for them
Don't worry, it's some goood stuff... being healthy an all that:p
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