Assalam Alaikum (or Walekum Assalam to those who salaamed first!)
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Since the major part of Sufism and/or Barelvism is the belief on 'miracles', I'm thinking of creating a thread in which several 'miracles' which are often cited by Barelwis are addressed in the light of Quran and Hadith. Like how xyz walked on water, when Prophet Moses AS could NOT. Also, how they can fly, even give life to dead and make dua so that a person will NEVER die, and who, then it is believed didn't die, with people still claiming to see him alive after a 1000 years! I have several of such citations and I wish to juxtapose this with Quran and Hadith, like confirm it with a similar miracle OR refute it as how NOBODY else was able to do so. I wish to create such a juxtaposition with the intention of educational comparison, so that others can form their opinions and confirm or refute it. I'm in a state of doing this In Sha Allah soon enough.
This will NOT be, and should NOT be, construed as bashing a particular sect. As I'm even willing to and open to cite their explanations and even their citations of Quran and Hadith. This will be a mere juxtaposition, where I would cite the miracles of Awliya with a Quran/Hadith confirming/refuting it. People can then form opinions on it. I would then need your ALL help in guiding me to a Quranic verse or Hadith. Like how death is haq when an Auliya gave eternal life to somebody OR a similar Quranic verse or Hadith which says that this is possible or perhaps even a precedent from Prophets, Sahabas, etc. This will be a mere educational exercise, where ALL opinions will be cited in the light of Islam, since I don't think this has been done extensively. There are examples mentioned, but NOT completely studied with ALL the known examples being brought under a lens. This MIGHT be considered unnecessary, but I want to
do this, if nothing, then as a mere educational exercise. All help will be appreciated.
Originally Posted by startingarabic
That's a lot of videos, thanks for them. I'll be downloading them and then watch it later.
As for books,
I can read and understand English and Hindi
Cannot read but understand (listen) Urdu
Can read but NOT understand Arabic!
Originally Posted by greenhill
I too understand that intentions are important, but this madhab issue for me is more of a aqeedah issue, than just the triviality of eating prawns. It is NOT prawn per se, it is the issue of how Allah will judge if ALL of them are SIMULTANEOUSLY correct? Will he punish a Shaafi for eating something Haraam, but pardon a Hanfi as for him it was just Maqrooh? Wouldn't this make Allah (nauzbillah) unjust?!
I also find this issue of madhabs to be (IMO) in contradiction to the divine command,
It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error.
-Quran 33:36 (Surah Al-Azaab)
Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.
-Quran 4:82 (Surah An-Nisa)
And since the madhhabs often contradict, I find it much disturbing! Since rather than looking and interpreting the Quran and the Hadith and taking the strongest opinions, we are just following with the intention of the infallibility of our madhab? Is it even possible for them to be completely infallible, since they are only humans? And if we assume them to be infallible, will this belief be considered Shirk to Allah, since we assume them to be infallible when only Allah is infallible? Or NOT shirk, but still kufr as we gave them (IMO) prophethood with our assumption of infallibility? Since prophets are infallible by the decree of Allah as to how he always sends Jibreel AS to them before they might have done/said something wrong and protects them for errors (otherwise those errors would have become Sunnahs!). So if we believe the imams to be infallible, aren't we giving them divinity/prophethood? OR if we know them to be fallible, then why take everything they say to be our law, knowing they might have erred?! These are the questions which are bothering me!
Originally Posted by startingarabic
Thanks brother, but I can't read urdu.
Kindly see my reply above to startingarabic.
Originally Posted by ibn-Adam
Using the same example as above, isn't there a need to like recompile the Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh)? It is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that during the times of the 4 great Imams, the Hadith were NOT extensively compiled like Bukhaari and Muslim, as they were later on. And in the lack of such extensive collection, they did the best the could have at that time. But now, with the compilation, understanding, interpretation and even the use and help of electronic means to simplify in searching a hadith, shouldn't we 'unify' these differences of interpretations?
Like how Shaafi took the the literal translation and how Hanfi took the prophetic example. Should be unify the ruling to something along the lines,
If it is a sexual touch, or a sexual kiss then the wudhu will break, but if the touch did NOT have sexual intention, then the wudhu will remain.
THIS rather than saying that they are BOTH correct in their opinions, while they did NOT mention the intention of the touch, just understood touch according to their understanding and came to a conclusion?
I read your article from the link you posted. And now I'm even more confused!
As for the interpretation of a single word like the example of iddah period you gave, I was expecting that Prophet Muhammad :saws: would have in his lifetime ironed out such interpretations of words. Like when people would have asked him :saws: he would have told them that her iddah will be of [his :saws: opinion here] and thus cleared it out.
For your section on "Differences of Opinion Arising from the Noble Ahādith"
, I always thought (assumed) the Hadith to be authentic (sahih?), weak (Dhaeef?) or unauthentic(...?). I was NOT aware that there's even here a split of opinion amongst scholars between the authenticity of the hadith, except perhaps Shias/Sunnis. I just assumed that in his :saws: lifetime he would given sufficient examples, that the meanings of the words would be clear. That is, rather than having a word and having scholars interpret it, as in the case of iddah; the hadith would NOT just say the words, but also give the live example as to how much did he :saws: made the iddah to be? I always assumed Allah to have given his word and Prophet Muhammad :saws: to have given the interpretation and even live examples to carry out the commands in the words of Allah. I was NOT under the impression, that despite having an example (not just the Word of Allah) but an example in Prophet Muhammad :saws:, we were still interpreting the words as to what will be the iddah here!
For your section on "Why one of four?"
, you say that "Ulama and scholars who came later on continued to review, codify, explain and expand on the Hanafi madhhab. It is in this manner that we have a fully codified and systemic madhhab. This has been the case with the other three madhāhib also."
For this, kindly read my reply above to your post where I speak of unifying and then codifying all these madhabs into one. Also the example on touch and how a single ruling with the inclusion of intention can remove this contradction of ruling on touch and wudhu.
For your section on "Why one madhhab?"
, kindly read my reply above to brother greenhill
in this same post above.
For your section "Why I can’t follow the most authentic view?"
I might NOT understand the intricacies of the fiqh and hadith, but why don't the scholars unite and redo the jurisprudence?! Take the strongest view and follow the strongest opinion?! Like the Quranic translations have gotten better with time and NOT the oldest translation is considered to the best anymore, but the fairly newer Sahih Internation is considered (by most) to be the better translation than others, similarly why don't they unite and use all the knowledge we gathered, compilation of hadith is done and with the new age tools and rather than relying on ONE man to make all the judgements, keep everything up to debate and THEN take the strongest opinion amongst them?!