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Aaqib
07-25-2016, 11:00 PM
TOKYO (AP) — Japan's national broadcaster NHK reports that 15 people were killed and 45 injured in a knife attack Tuesday at a facility for the handicapped in Sagamihara, just outside Tokyo.
The report said police have arrested a knife-wielding man after he turned himself in.
NHK said the suspect, 26, is a former employee at the facility, Tsukui Yamayuri-en, arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.
Television footage showed a number of ambulances parked outside the facility, with medics and other rescue workers running in and out.
Kyodo News agency initially reported that 19 people were killed and 20 injured, but later said at least 15 people were dead and 28 injured
Police did not immediately release an official death toll.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/japanese-...12935029.html/

Wow, this world is crazy... killings after killings.
And how the news didn't classify this as a terrorist attack, just a killing spree.
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czgibson
07-25-2016, 11:23 PM
Greetings,

format_quote Originally Posted by Aaqib
Wow, this world is crazy... killings after killings.
And how the news didn't classify this as a terrorist attack, just a killing spree.
You are right - there certainly have been a large number of attacks like this in recent times. It's very sad.

These criminals don't seem to know that killing innocent civilian people is never a good idea.

How does this relate to the Islamic idea of fitrah? What has gone wrong with these people's fitrah?

Peace
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muslimah_B
07-26-2016, 01:25 AM
Oh dear lord !

More, i dont know how much more of these news stories i can take, people have absolutely lost the plot completely.
I thought japan was quite "safe" with civilised people you hardly hear anything really happening there tbh
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talibilm
07-26-2016, 01:27 AM
:sl:

Perhaps its this Prophesy of :saws: being fullfilled.

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 63

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Time will pass rapidly, good deeds will decrease, and miserliness will be thrown (in the hearts of the people), and the Harjarj (will increase)." They asked, "What is the Harj?" He replied, "(It is) killing (murdering), (it is) murdering (killing).
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Aaqib
07-26-2016, 01:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by muslimah_B
Oh dear lord !

More, i dont know how much more of these news stories i can take, people have absolutely lost the plot completely.
I thought japan was quite "safe" with civilised people you hardly hear anything really happening there tbh
1 attack in Japan doesn't mean that Japan isn't "stable". We barely see this type of news coming from Japan.
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muslimah_B
07-26-2016, 01:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,



You are right - there certainly have been a large number of attacks like this in recent times. It's very sad.

These criminals don't seem to know that killing innocent civilian people is never a good idea.

How does this relate to the Islamic idea of fitnah? What has gone wrong with these people's fitnah?

Peace
Greetings earthling :)

Its always sad & horrible to hear when people are murderd by senseless idiots, it really boils my blood that the world has such sickos running around not behind bars or strapped up in a padded room.

And fitnah doesnt really relate to this. (Did you mean something else)
Fitnah would be used for trials or tests, something difficult, something that is a temptation to sin.

An example could be that your fasting, its a hot day and your very hunrgy and you walk past a burger & milkshake place you would say to yourself that place is fitnah (full of temptation to sin - by breaking fast)

Another example of fitnah would be a shisha bar, would be full of free- mixing between both genders, typically music & dancing, sometimes even alcohol, and well shisha lol. So someone would say shisha bars are a fitnah.

I hope i have explained it enough for you if not here is a website which explains it in detail and explains about the root of the word and how its used :)

https://islamqa.info/en/22899
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muslimah_B
07-26-2016, 02:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaqib
1 attack in Japan doesn't mean that Japan isn't "stable". We barely see this type of news coming from Japan.
I know, but its weird when you think of japan you think of technology or their crazy new inventions and Tokyo, martial arts etc you dont really expect someone to pick up a knife and stab people with the intent to kill them, from a place like there where men date those anime things on their phone (men don't have nagging wife to stress them out lol) i mean the stuff they come out with for de-stressing is well smart lol

so like what is really driving and pushing people to murder people.
There really needs to be more emphasis on mental health around the world, its like a open gate for shaytan to slip through and begin his day of waswas
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muslimah_B
07-26-2016, 02:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by talibilm
:sl:

Perhaps its this Prophesy of :saws: being fullfilled.

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 63

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Time will pass rapidly, good deeds will decrease, and miserliness will be thrown (in the hearts of the people), and the Harjarj (will increase)." They asked, "What is the Harj?" He replied, "(It is) killing (murdering), (it is) murdering (killing).
Yes this hadeeth keeps coming to mind whenever i hear about things like these.
Its getting very scary
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MisterK
07-26-2016, 02:12 AM
I would like to see a study done, or some statistics if they've been done recently, on whether there actually is an increase, globally, of violent and/or terroristic outbreaks or not.

If an increase, is it signicant?

Or if there isn't an increase (or just a minor one), then is it just the global 24/7 news cycles (which just focuses on everything bad) making the world just seems worse than it is because of the narrative being sold?
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czgibson
07-26-2016, 02:13 AM
Greetings,

format_quote Originally Posted by muslimah_B

Its always sad & horrible to hear when people are murderd by senseless idiots, it really boils my blood that the world has such sickos running around not behind bars or strapped up in a padded room.

And fitnah doesnt really relate to this. (Did you mean something else)
Yes, I meant fitrah. My mistake - I edited it but too late. :embarrass

Feel free to laugh and point at me if you are so inclined.

Peace
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Serinity
07-26-2016, 02:19 AM
:salam:

Reminds me of 2 ayats.

70:6-7

Indeed, they see it [as] distant, (70:6)
But We see it [as] near. (70:7)

Allahu alam the context. But I am thinking of The Day of Judgment.

Allah :swt: knows best.
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muslimah_B
07-26-2016, 02:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,



Yes, I meant fitrah. My mistake - I edited it but too late. :embarrass

Feel free to laugh and point at me if you are so inclined.

Peace
Yes i thought you meant that instead but i wasnt sure

I will admit i did have a bit of a giggle hehe, but I wouldn't point at you to embaress you thats mean and not muslim like at all, il just giggle and say you made a "whopsie"

We all make mistakes right :)
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muslimah_B
07-26-2016, 02:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,



Yes, I meant fitrah. My mistake - I edited it but too late. :embarrass

Feel free to laugh and point at me if you are so inclined.

Peace
Sorry you may feel this is a cop out but here is what fitra means from a reliable islamic website

https://islamqa.info/en/2887

If you want more of an explanation i can do that tommoro as it's now 3.26 am, my brain is shutting down, and i just wanted you to have an answer (not some waffle by a half asleep brain lol)

:)
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Search
07-26-2016, 03:23 AM
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Let's understand "misery loves company" has a whole new exaggerated meaning when exercised out into the real world by people who are suicidal or homicidal.

I'm not unsympathetic to those who feel shafted for whatever reason because I've myself experienced serious disappointments at various points in my own life, yet killing a lot of people for whatever issues an individual has is never the answer. This answer, however, makes sense to a lot of people because I think somewhere today we're all fundamentally disconnected with one another due to the ubiquity of technology and we're more alone than together even when we're together. I think that's a great contributory factor to why we're seeing the rise in killings/attempted killings of one another because there's no sense of contentedness of a sense of familiarity that would see the "you" in "me" or "me" in "you." We're as human beings more alike than we're different even when we all take into account factors like gender, religion, race, socioeconomic class, education, sexual orientation, and other factors, but people are less and less oriented in this truth and see more the differences.

Fitnah can be described as confusion, trial, strife, etc. Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said of our times, "Very soon trials and tribulations will appear which will be like dark nights." In other words, just as a man is not able to find his way in dark nights, in the same way during these blinding trials, people will not know what to do and where to go. These trials will encompass entire societies leaving no place of shelter for the people. This time has come to pass.

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) also taught the people a supplication to find refuge with Allah from these trials: "O Allah, we seek refuge with You from these apparent or hidden trials."

We're today like headless chickens - no one knows what to do about people killing one another for no good reason, whether that person is a Muslim or non-Muslim. For example, yesterday in Florida a person committed a mass shooting which led to deaths of two people and injury of dozens at a party.

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) also said, "A time will come upon the people in which the killer will not know why he killed the victim nor will the victim killed know why he was killed." This time describes our time; I very much doubt the Japanese person who went on a killing spree knew his victims or his victims knew him before him committing this heinous act.

How does what's happening in the world relate to the concept of Islamic fitrah? Fitrah is the concept of each soul having been born on innocence and in submission to the divine because they're spiritually said to recognize God even if we cannot see them recognizing God; this is why in Islam there is no sin written for babies or children because they're considered innocent. If you want more information, a good Islamic article detailing this concept is: "Fitrah: The Primordial Nature of Man."

Also, fitrah has to do with how hatred is learned behavior. If hatred was not something within our control to modulate, Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) would not have said as part of a larger hadith (prophetic tradition), "Do not hate one another."

That said, I did once read a hadith (prophetic tradition) in which it said that because of people not beginning the act of physical intimacy with God's name, there are some exceptional persons who will be born in later times without empathy. I think that hadith was specifically describing modern-day serial killers, yet I have not been able to find that hadith again.

format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,



You are right - there certainly have been a large number of attacks like this in recent times. It's very sad.

These criminals don't seem to know that killing innocent civilian people is never a good idea.

How does this relate to the Islamic idea of fitnah? What has gone wrong with these people's fitnah?

Peace
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noraina
07-26-2016, 11:19 AM
I just heard this now....subhanAllah it just reminds me how fragile human life and how no place can be truly 'safe'. Whatever the circumstance or wherever it is, to hear of innocent lives being taken is always so depressing :(.

Yes, that hadith concerning how near Qiyamah there will be an increase in killings, and those who are killing won't know why they are doing it and those who are killed won't know why they are killed, they come to my mind whenever I hear of such things.

Such people I think don't be mentally stable from the beginning or due to an unsettled childhood or whatever, and when something unpleasant happens to them or they feel like they've been wronged, they just go over the edge. This particular man they were saying had been saying he wanted all disabled people euthanised (some Nazi-type ideology?) and decided to do it himself.
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muslimah_B
07-26-2016, 12:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
I just heard this now....subhanAllah it just reminds me how fragile human life and how no place can be truly 'safe'. Whatever the circumstance or wherever it is, to hear of innocent lives being taken is always so depressing :(.

Yes, that hadith concerning how near Qiyamah there will be an increase in killings, and those who are killing won't know why they are doing it and those who are killed won't know why they are killed, they come to my mind whenever I hear of such things.

Such people I think don't be mentally stable from the beginning or due to an unsettled childhood or whatever, and when something unpleasant happens to them or they feel like they've been wronged, they just go over the edge. This particular man they were saying had been saying he wanted all disabled people euthanised (some Nazi-type ideology?) and decided to do it himself.
He defo needs to be locked up in a straight jacket in a padded room and never let out.
I dont even know how anyone would come up with such a disgusting view
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Serinity
07-26-2016, 12:37 PM
Well, anyone can be the terrorist now.. I could go out and knife people at a mall, anyone could....... That is scary tbh. And with the increase of isolaton and anti-socialistic behaviour.. And increase in depression, will only fuel such behaviour.

I could if I wanted.. buy in enough fireworks, and take out the fuel in the fireworks and make up a bomb.......... I think it is because of the godless society. If they don't believe in God, or have any regards to human life. Then logically, what worth does life have then? If someone doesn't believe in God, then one could say that for him morals are just opinions and since he thinks none is overwatching him, he can just go out and kill, with no regard for life, for why have any?

And for those religious ones who do this, they despair of God.
There is some underlying problem that fuels this. Despair, loneliness, emptiness. For those who don't believe in God, they think their life is purposeless, so why care, why not go out in a bang? And for the religious, they are brainwashed into thinking killing anyone who is not a Muslim is Jihad, so they go out and kill.... Or something.

Allahu alam.
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sister herb
07-26-2016, 06:27 PM
Seriously deranged people around the world hear the news from the German massacre, admire it and want to emulate it. This sounds just like many school shootings, where the killer has admired one another such attack and wants the same kind of publicity.
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Start
07-29-2016, 06:13 PM
Why are people trying so hard to cripple Islam? I sense foul play.
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Scimitar
07-29-2016, 06:39 PM
and no one said "inna lillahi wa'inna ilaihi raji'oon"

carry on , kids.

Scimi
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Aaqib
07-29-2016, 06:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
and no one said "inna lillahi wa'inna ilaihi raji'oon"

carry on , kids.

Scimi
Maybe because we are saying it irl and not posting it?

Wasalam
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Start
07-29-2016, 06:49 PM
We need to rise up and conquer terrorism or else all fingers will just keep pointing at us like as if we're setting this up. But no, we're not doing this to impress them. Maybe we are, if we want to convert them insha'allah but if in all seriousness, we're doing this for the greater good.
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Scimitar
07-29-2016, 07:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaqib
Maybe because we are saying it irl and not posting it?

Wasalam
while you write in the digital world ??? come on ... your maybe is a big a joke as obama claiming he is muslim.

Scimi
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Start
07-29-2016, 07:07 PM
Obama didn't claim he's muslim, did he? It's his late dad.. Wait what, what am I missing here?
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Aaqib
07-29-2016, 07:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
while you write in the digital world ??? come on ... your maybe is a big a joke as obama claiming he is muslim.

Scimi
:salam:
Allahu Alam
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Aaqib
07-29-2016, 07:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Start
Obama didn't claim he's muslim, did he? It's his late dad.. Wait what, what am I missing here?
I think his dad was a muslim. Obama himself isn't.
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