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Al Sultan
10-05-2016, 06:32 PM
I was wondering,since now there is "Islamophobia" is there Christianityophobia? like have Christians expiernced a similar crisis like we Muslims currently are? if so,when was the time?..and was it worse than islamophobia? (as in more hate,people making fun of the bible,churches and so on)
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Serinity
10-05-2016, 06:41 PM
:salam:

I don't think so. Idk tho.

But I am sure there was Judaism/phobia. Or at least The Jewish Racist phobia. The Hitler Regime.................

Allahu alam
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sister herb
10-05-2016, 06:47 PM
I think that kind of phobia of Christianity is right now in many western countries. People in general make fun of any religion, not only Islam or Christianity. One reason for this is that religion has lost it´s meaning and status for the people. People insult at anyone who expresses his strong religious convictions.
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Muezzin
10-05-2016, 06:57 PM
If people don't like the name 'Phoebe' are they Phoebiphobic?
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sister herb
10-05-2016, 07:02 PM
It depends how far to the history we are going. I could claim that the worst Christinophobe time was at the ancient Rome.
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Serinity
10-05-2016, 07:03 PM
:salam:

What about those who fear their ownselves? Selfophobic.

And Allah :swt: knows best.
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Serinity
10-05-2016, 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by sister herb
It depends how far to the history we are going. I could claim that the worst Christinophobe time was at the ancient Rome.
I would not. I think their hatred was justified. The Priests used their authority to decieve the people, and stuff.
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drac16
10-05-2016, 07:37 PM
I believe that there is such a thing. In China, most churches tend to be underground and not recognized by the chinese government. I once watched a documentary where it showed a group of christians being arrested just for protesting publicly. They even sang hymns as they were being taken away by the police.
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ardianto
10-05-2016, 10:10 PM
"Christianophobia" does really exist. This is a suspicion that Christians must be want to convert other people. Christians usually feel this phobia when they try to do kindness toward the others. There are always people who accuse that this kindness is just trick to convert other people, although actually these Christians do this kindness sincerely.
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Al Sultan
10-06-2016, 12:12 PM
Oh wow,never heard of that...
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Al Sultan
10-06-2016, 12:13 PM
Yeah that's true,i guess Christianty and Islam are one of the most hated religions in the world,even though people misunderstand one of them and get the wrong idea...
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Al Sultan
10-06-2016, 12:14 PM
not to mention it's "Strict" rules,even though its rules are trying to get us as FAR as possible from sinning...but people are too dumb to understand..
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Holy branch
10-06-2016, 02:24 PM
Hi all,

I'm new here and this is my first post. BTW it's late here so I'll just make one post and then return again tomorrow.

A phobia is defined as an abnormal and/or irrational fear of something. With this definition in mind I don't believe there is any Islamophobia nor Christianityphobia, nor even homophobia. In the West we live under the tyranny of political correctness driven by the oppressive Socialist/Communist Left who abuse terminology merely for political gain. The word "phobia" is one such word that is being abused.

Regarding Islam, there are rational concerns in the West about it because of the levels of terrorism, the Sharia no-go zones, the rapes, discrimination, hate, etc, etc. As much as secular/moderate Muslims might try to downplay these very real threats, only an delusional person would disregard it.

Regarding Christianity, the hatred towards Christianity comes from the Socialist/Communist/Atheist Left in the West who dominate the mainstream media, the education system and politics, etc.

Regarding homosexuality, there is no phobia against it. Instead there is a rational concern about it because of the militant, hateful activism, persecution and discrimination against any Christian or westerner who dares to challenge the LGBT agenda being forced upon society.
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sister herb
10-06-2016, 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Serinity
I would not. I think their hatred was justified. The Priests used their authority to decieve the people, and stuff.
Was there the institution of priests during the ancient times of the Rome already? I wonder not, but those whose hated Christians at that time had lions.

Anyways, I don´t think that the hatred against other people never would to be "justified". It´s always wrong.
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LaSorcia
11-13-2016, 02:57 AM
http://www.christianpost.com/news/no...cution-171454/

Christians don't fare so well in N. Korea. I suspect if there were any/many Muslims there, they wouldn't either.
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kritikvernunft
11-13-2016, 03:32 AM
Originally Posted by LaSorcia
Christians don't fare so well in N. Korea. I suspect if there were any/many Muslims there, they wouldn't either.
John 10:38 But even if you do not believe in me, then at least believe in my miracles.

I am very tempted to say that I do not believe in those either, but I will not, because I want to be a loyal servant of the One God.

John 10:38 That you may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.

Yes, in my case, the rabbit is in me, and I am in the rabbit.

Look at how the Quran keeps Christianity afloat, in a way that the Bible cannot:

And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles. (Quran 2:87)
(Jesus said) He has not made me insolent, unblessed. (Quran 19:30-33)
(Jesus said) I create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with God’s permission. (Quran 3:49)
(Jesus said) I also heal the blind and the leper ... and I bring to life the dead, by the permission of God. (Quran 3:49)

As the Papacy clarified to Martin Luther, you cannot use the Bible to proclaim this:

My dear Martin, the Bible itself is the arsenal whence each evil heretic has drawn his deceptive arguments.

So, now you are down to just the Quran as your last line of defense. It would already have been game over for Christianity without the Quran. At the same time, I do accept my impossible and unbearable suffering, and I submit to the will of the One God by accepting that the Quran has the power to resurrect that what the Papacy had killed already.

Isn't that enough for you guys? Do you really need to further increase my agony and my suffering? What else do you want? Have you not received enough already?
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greenhill
11-13-2016, 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Holy branch
Hi all,

I'm new here and this is my first post. BTW it's late here so I'll just make one post and then return again tomorrow.

A phobia is defined as an abnormal and/or irrational fear of something. With this definition in mind I don't believe there is any Islamophobia nor Christianityphobia, nor even homophobia. In the West we live under the tyranny of political correctness driven by the oppressive Socialist/Communist Left who abuse terminology merely for political gain. The word "phobia" is one such word that is being abused.

Regarding Islam, there are rational concerns in the West about it because of the levels of terrorism, the Sharia no-go zones, the rapes, discrimination, hate, etc, etc. As much as secular/moderate Muslims might try to downplay these very real threats, only an delusional person would disregard it.

Regarding Christianity, the hatred towards Christianity comes from the Socialist/Communist/Atheist Left in the West who dominate the mainstream media, the education system and politics, etc.

Regarding homosexuality, there is no phobia against it. Instead there is a rational concern about it because of the militant, hateful activism, persecution and discrimination against any Christian or westerner who dares to challenge the LGBT agenda being forced upon society.

Welcome to the forum.. and wishing you a great stay.


I think the circumstances of 'islamophobia' in the current climate is very different. It is propagated by the media to serve certain agendas. It is not that they do not know the truth, but the truth serves them not, so it is willful manipulation of information.


:peace:
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ardianto
11-13-2016, 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by LaSorcia
http://www.christianpost.com/news/no...cution-171454/

Christians don't fare so well in N. Korea. I suspect if there were any/many Muslims there, they wouldn't either.
The cause why there's no persecution toward Muslims in North Korea is because all Muslims at there are foreigners. There's no Muslim among North Korean local people.

But I guess, if there are Muslims among local North Korean, they would be persecuted too.
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Scimitar
11-14-2016, 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by Al Sultan
I was wondering,since now there is "Islamophobia" is there Christianityophobia? like have Christians expiernced a similar crisis like we Muslims currently are? if so,when was the time?..and was it worse than islamophobia? (as in more hate,people making fun of the bible,churches and so on)
When it comes to Islam - it's Islamophobia, but when it is any other religion - it's simply "xenophobia"... same way when a Christian goes into a night club or abortion clinic and shoots up the place killing innocents, it's just a mad man on the loose, but had that mad man been a Muslim, it's suddenly "terrorism".

*turbo eyeroll with me

Scimi
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noraina
11-14-2016, 05:22 PM
The thing is, Islam, unlike other religions these days, is seen as a great threat to secularisation and the values associated with it. These are many reasons why, but Islam is seen by some people as a force which needs to be stopped, and, for people like Trump, a convenient scapegoat to blame the current state of affairs on. This appears to happen every couple of centuries but I don't suppose these people and their supporters notice the pattern.
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Scimitar
11-14-2016, 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by noraina
The thing is, Islam, unlike other religions these days, is seen as a great threat to secularisation and the values associated with it. These are many reasons why, but Islam is seen by some people as a force which needs to be stopped, and, for people like Trump, a convenient scapegoat to blame the current state of affairs on. This appears to happen every couple of centuries but I don't suppose these people and their supporters notice the pattern.
Oh they know Islam is the final bastion of hope in a world which promotes godless ideals.

Muslims are the only people who are ready to say "No" to injustice while the rest of the world debates what justice is, like buffoons.

The irony is in the hypocrisy I present next.

The godless ideals pushed by the likes of the USA in the name of Christianity did nothing to paint the image of Christianity any better - when Bush claimed "THIS IS A CRUSADE" and "TODAY THE CRUSADES ARE OVER" - I didn't see even one honest Christian claim he represented their faith group.

This war on Islam, is not just a war on Islam - it's a war on religions full stop.

Islam just happens to be the final hurdle they needed to destroy politically, and that's what they did with the engineered collapse of our khaliphates and their replacement by a phony ISIS instead.

This narrative will run a course in the media, same way the WMD narrative did, until one day it is exposed that ISIS was totally a western creation, headed by a man names Simon Elliot who is parading around as some Khaliph called Baghdadi.

When that happens, watch how unopologetic the hypocritical west will be - with their "it wasn't us, but the previous adminsitration"... liars.

They all in bed together, shamelessly too.

Scimi
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kritikvernunft
11-15-2016, 06:28 AM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
This war on Islam, is not just a war on Islam - it's a war on religions full stop.
The same global elite is at war with a lot of things, and not just religions.

I fight day in day out on the opposite, anti-Statist side against the global elite, in the banking wars. In the bitcoin community, we soldier and strive to achieve the wholesale destruction of the riba/interest-infested banking system. I am not complaining, because I make excellent money doing that. The more my hatred for the banksters grows, the harder I am able inflict them with destructive blows. The more the banksters bleed, the more I gain. Seriously, it is such a satisfying way of turning pure hate into money.
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Scimitar
11-15-2016, 03:06 PM
Well, I don't agree with making money out of something you wish to do for the sake of Allah. Especially playing off trading currencies on the webs bitcoin market. To me, that's a bigger evil than the standardized riba/usury we have become accustomed to.

And you know it's true. You can attempt to justify it however you like, but it really won't change the fact that you are using a renegade currency to make money while claiming you are fighting against oppressive bankers. You do not affect their wealth one bitcoin. Pardon the pun. Was intended.

Scimi
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kritikvernunft
11-15-2016, 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Well, I don't agree with making money out of something you wish to do for the sake of Allah.
Let Our Beloved Master be the judge of that. In the end, Allah knows best! And he certainly knows better than you! ;-)
Originally Posted by Scimitar
you are using a renegade currency to make money while claiming you are fighting against oppressive bankers.
First I make money. That is always what I start doing first. Then, I modify the governing narrative, until there is a chance that Allah will like it too. Next, I self-righteously profit, which is even more satisfying than just profiting. And after that: I seek to go to paradise, and to be recognized by Our Beloved Master, The Most Merciful Allah, as a staunch defender of the faith!
Originally Posted by Scimitar
You do not affect their wealth one bitcoin.
Why don't you let the bankers explain to you how the business works? While you will be able to explain things that you know something about? Of course, you may not like to be hampered by knowledge. That is probably why you prefer to talk about greenfield subjects, where in terms of cognition everything still needs to be constructed, and where your fantasy can freely roam the plains, with no danger of running into situations in which you would actually know something!
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Scimitar
11-15-2016, 06:16 PM
Your presumptions are in need of recorrection. I've been on the truther movement for well over a decade and know how the global monentary system works, and which families control it - and how they got there in the first place, and the play offs between nations - going into debt with these families who have a say in the percentage meetings in which they are not invited to lol.

You, are just dabbling in something you think you know about because you make a little money playing the very same system they set up in the first place - hubris on your part thinking you are doing a good deed lol, sheer hubris, makes you look kinda green around the ears krik.

Best,

Scimi
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kritikvernunft
11-15-2016, 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Your presumptions are in need of recorrection.
Anybody with half a brain knows that presumptions are necessarily and mandatorily arbitrary. The rules of the game say that you must demonstrate that my conclusions cannot be derived exclusively from my presumptions. Presumptions are never in need of correction. Ever.
Originally Posted by Scimitar
You, are just dabbling in something you think you know about ...
Correction. I make money by dabbling in something I think whatever about, and I can even prove. That is the beauty of bitcoin. I can even prove exactly how much money I have made with all that dabbling.
Originally Posted by Scimitar
... playing the very same system they set up in the first place ...
No, no, no. Their systems are in comparison, utterly dumb. If "they" understood elliptic curve cryptography, they would use it to protect their credit card payments. They don't, because they are not capable of doing so, not even to save themselves from drowning. We are a coalition of mathematicians and programmers, that they can impossibly defeat. They are trying to counter our moves by building systems with a "blockchain", which is in fact our technology, and not theirs, and which was first rolled out in bitcoin. They hope to fend off the inevitable, which is, that we will crush them, along with their entire riba/interest-infected banking system.

Add at least a minute amount of knowledge to the greenfield in your head, and read the original bitcoin paper:

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Bitcoin. Abstract. A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.

Anybody with half a brain understands the implications.
Anybody with half a brain understands that this is a declaration of war against the banksters, and that this is the first shot that commences the hostilities.
The war has been going on for 7 years now. The head count of our troops is growing nicely, and we are absolutely on target, while we keep maneuvering, awaiting the opportunity to authorize a general advance on the enemy lines.

We are the most powerful and richest technology clan on the globe. As you know, technology is exclusively controlled by the ones who understand it. Hence, it is the collective of technology clans that controls the entirety of technology. Some of our members are amongst the richtest people in the world. The richest man in the world, Bill Gates, is obviously a member of his own technology clan. The clans do not like the global elite. In that sense, the war is one about power. We are forcing them on their knees, because if either them or us who will run the show. It will be us, and not them. Hence, we are confiscating from them, the power to print money. As you know, even the use of force, rests to quite an important extent on technology, and we control all technology.

Look, the knowledge to understand any of this, is beyond you. You are not a member of the conglomerate of technology clans. If you do not understand, you cannot be a member, because we will simply not accept you.
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Scimitar
11-15-2016, 08:29 PM
Dude, the hubris is in the fact that they (the banking families) print money lol, you cannot compete with that mate. Justify it how you like, it doesn't convince me one bit... coin or no.

Scmi
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kritikvernunft
11-15-2016, 11:31 PM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Dude, the hubris is in the fact that they (the banking families) print money lol, you cannot compete with that mate.
Do not try to extrapolate from the little that you are capable of, to what other people would be capable of.

Over here, we all get paid truck loads for what are essentially our thoughts. It is undoubtedly unimaginable for you, that in the time that you and I have been chatting, I can probably buy half the little shack in which you live, and then some. I doubt that anybody has ever paid you for what you think, because your mental output is obviously worthless. I don't know what you do in the real world, but I don't think anybody will be impressed.
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Justify it how you like, it doesn't convince me one bit... coin or no.
Why would there be any need to convince you? If I start doing things like that, I could also try to convince the cat. And what next?
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Scimitar
11-16-2016, 03:19 PM
Delude yourself with the green bro, won't come in handy in your grave :)

Scimi
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kritikvernunft
11-16-2016, 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Delude yourself with the green bro, won't come in handy in your grave
As I said, the issue of the grave is dealt with already. I am fighting against the riba/interest-infested banking system. Therefore, once I land in the Celestial airport, and once I have arrived at the Last Day, I will fill out all the paperwork needed, to get my work on earth recognized for the status of defender of the faith. So, if Our Beloved Master affixes his stamp of approval to my paperwork, I will use that as a visa to get through the gates of heaven into Jannah. It is a gamble, of course, euh sorry, not a gamble but rather "an action with uncertain outcome", but I've got a good feeling about it. It may actually even work. Who knows? And in the end, Allah knows best.
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Scimitar
11-16-2016, 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by kritikvernunft
As I said, the issue of the grave is dealt with already. I am fighting against the riba/interest-infested banking system.
....with your bank accounts? :D

Scimi
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kritikvernunft
11-17-2016, 12:14 AM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
....with your bank accounts?
No, I use methods such as yelling loudly in the general direction of your dumb skull. It does not make much of a difference, but hey, I tried, didn't I?

Money is just something that I use here on earth, for the short time that I am here. Furthermore, money is whatever you want it to be: We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency backed by gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. Adolf Hitler.

By the way, a single bitcoin is now worth $744.71: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin

I know people who first got them when they were worth less than $1, and they happily collected millions of coins. Myself, I did not hear about their existence until they were worth $100. In fact, I got a lot of my coins as windfall profits and shares, when they were worth less than $200.

I prefer my coins to your little shack! ;-)
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sister_39738
11-17-2016, 05:19 AM
In the U.S there is definitely been a backlash against christianity. Many people feel like christians here force their values and beliefs systems on others(I also feel this way about most christians) and many dislike most christians as a result. But the dislike christians face is way less than what muslims face. Even though this country is becoming increasingly secular, christians still make up most of the population. There is power in numbers and intolerant christians use this to enforce their beliefs. A lot of militia and terrorist groups in the U.S are christians. Many christians use their beliefs to deny the legal rights of others. Many of Trump's supporters are christians (nuff said). Killings of muslim families and imams have steadily increased. Hijabis/niqabis are harassed daily and many have reported having their veils ripped off (even though statues of Mary mother of Isa picture her in hijab pre-Islam). The media continually perpetuates harmful stereotypes about Islam and muslims. But worst of all Islam is associated with terrorism even though there is nothing in Islam that allows the killing of innocents or waging a war without someone harming or threatening you. However, white (and usually christian) men are more likely to commit terrorist acts. The KKK, Aryian Brotherhood, and the hundreds of militia groups who want to break away and take down the government have committed countless acts of terrorism (Bombing buildings, terrorizing minorities, as well as shooting masjids, temples, and predominantly black churches). But none of these groups are associated with terrorism because they are white and not muslim.
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kritikvernunft
11-17-2016, 06:39 AM
In the U.S there is definitely been a backlash against christianity.
I am not sure that this is a bad thing.
Killings of muslim families and imams have steadily increased.
Supplications, i.e. dua, has precise rules. First, you must post a picture and all details about family or imam that they killed, and start praying to Our Beloved Master to punish the killers. Next, other people must join the supplications, and post additional details about the victim, the date, the place, and so on. And then other people will join in and post details about what department was exactly involved in all of this, and so on, until people start posting names, the addresses and even GPS coordinates of the suspected killers. We do not care at all, what department they actually worked for, even though, these details will also start getting posted. The supplications, aka, dua must go on and on and on, because at that point, we know exactly the precise list and whereabouts of what individuals we beg our Beloved Master to punish. You and I know that it will not take much longer after that, before the killers will find themselves burned at the stake, one by one, with youtube videos showing us their regrettable suffering. We regret that people must suffer. All suffering in this life, is the result of misbehaviour early in this life, and if not, it must be an earlier life. So, that is the directional way in which dua works best.
Hijabis/niqabis are harassed daily and many have reported having their veils ripped off
Let me think about how to make these things a bit more painful for the perpetrators. There must be a way to improve the design of the veil so that it become something very nasty in the hands of an unbeliever. Then, they should be given the veil, and receive exactly what they have asked for.

You see, I somehow feel that I may sometimes be insanely treacherous and poisonous to some unfavoured demographics. We must find a way, probably by doing dua, to get Donald Trump to send more of these lower-class whites to the Pashtun leg-amputation factories in Afghanistan. Iraq is not bad either, but can anybody beat the Pashtun tribal constellation at this game? Can a thing like that be done?



In my impression, the Pashtun are unbeatable.

I somehow hope, God-willing, that Donald Trump will help us. These lower-class whites go there with two legs, but they don't really need these legs, when they go back to America. What would they do with them anyway, back in America? There are enough unbelievers with legs over there already. There is some kind of natural process in which the number unbeliever legs is being reduced, in order to obtain a better equilibrium in other system parameters. It is just a natural requirement.
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kritikvernunft
11-17-2016, 09:14 AM
By the way, next time you see one these NATO clowns, ask him: Who exactly has eaten, digested, and defecated out his bowels, your legs? ;-)
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Scimitar
11-17-2016, 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by kritikvernunft
No, I use methods such as yelling loudly in the general direction of...
k, i'm out of this farce.

#Enjoyyourdelusions
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kritikvernunft
11-17-2016, 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
k, i'm out of this farce.
John 10:38: I am out of this farce and this farce is out of me! ;-)
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Scimitar
11-17-2016, 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by kritikvernunft
John 10:38: I am out of this farce and this farce is out of me! ;-)
:D nice plug. Kinda made me smirk a little.

God bless,

Scimi
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