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Mustafa16
12-04-2016, 01:55 AM
this scene always makes me cry, and describes the mental situation of many veterans....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc2OvrpzjvM
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islamirama
12-04-2016, 04:08 AM
What about the Muslims who have been widowed by these monsters and their demoncracy ?
What about the Muslim mothers whose sons have been killed and daughters raped ?
what about the Muslim children orphaned, sold into sex slavery, raped, killed, brought to west to be Christianized?
what about the Muslim men murdered, tortured, raped, burned, etc?

do we have that much sympathy left laying around that we will give to their butchers?
have we even given them any sympathy ?
how many tears have we shed for them?
have we even lifted our hands and made dua for them? or against their butchers?

They do to us what they do to us in our lands, and Allah does to them what He does to them in the safety of their homes.


'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says U.S. soldier who raped 14-year-old girl before killing her and her family








may Allah destroy them, their families and their nations.
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*charisma*
12-04-2016, 06:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
this scene always makes me cry, and describes the mental situation of many veterans....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc2OvrpzjvM
The simple answer: Yes, it's permissible. It's an emotion and you don't get sins for feeling emotions.


format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
What about the Muslims who have been widowed by these monsters and their demoncracy ?
What about the Muslim mothers whose sons have been killed and daughters raped ?
what about the Muslim children orphaned, sold into sex slavery, raped, killed, brought to west to be Christianized?
what about the Muslim men murdered, tortured, raped, burned, etc?

do we have that much sympathy left laying around that we will give to their butchers?
have we even given them any sympathy ?
how many tears have we shed for them?
have we even lifted our hands and made dua for them? or against their butchers?

They do to us what they do to us in our lands, and Allah does to them what He does to them in the safety of their homes.
Feeling emotional towards something doesn't take away the emotion one feels for something else.

Do the people who knowingly join an army that commit these crimes deserve sympathy? No.
But I do think it's such a sad thing for someone to be brought up in a way that makes them feel proud about doing it. imagine what they face in the akhira...so alhemdulilah that our people were the oppressed and not the oppressors. PTSD is only one way Allah punishes these criminals. But we are not like them to not feel emotion for any human who is suffering, even if they are kuffar.
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azc
12-04-2016, 07:16 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
What about the Muslims who have been widowed by these monsters and their demoncracy ? What about the Muslim mothers whose sons have been killed and daughters raped ?what about the Muslim children orphaned, sold into sex slavery, raped, killed, brought to west to be Christianized?what about the Muslim men murdered, tortured, raped, burned, etc? do we have that much sympathy left laying around that we will give to their butchers? have we even given them any sympathy ? how many tears have we shed for them? have we even lifted our hands and made dua for them? or against their butchers? They do to us what they do to us in our lands, and Allah does to them what He does to them in the safety of their homes.'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says U.S. soldier who raped 14-year-old girl before killing her and her family

may Allah destroy them, their families and their nations.
I understand your feelings but we are the followers of the Rehmatulil alameen... Should there not be any difference between us and them ...?
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sister herb
12-04-2016, 07:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
I understand your feelings but we are the followers of the Rehmatulil alameen... Should there not be any difference between us and them ...?
We should think how the Prophet would feel in kind of situation. Had he ability for the forgiveness and feeling of the sympathy?
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islamirama
12-04-2016, 07:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
I understand your feelings but we are the followers of the Rehmatulil alameen... Should there not be any difference between us and them ...?
so if someone raped your sister and mother and killed your father and brothers and later on suffered PTSD, are you going to show sympathy to him?

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*
PTSD is only one way Allah punishes these criminals. But we are not like them to not feel emotion for any human who is suffering, even if they are kuffar.
So are you going to start crying for frown then? what about that israeli PM that just passed away?

some ppl on this board have a sick sense of sympathy and empathy, crying over the butchers of Muslims but i don't I don't hear a peep from them regarding the suffering of the Muslims.

The believers are one body, when one part is hurt the whole body feels pain.
May Allah send upon them a 1000x worst then what they do to the Ummah of the Prophet :saws1:

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
We should think how the Prophet would feel in kind of situation. Had he ability for the forgiveness and feeling of the sympathy?
"we should think about what how Prophet feels"
"What would prophet do if he was here"
blah blah
some old non sense I hear from Muslims these days.

You want to know what he would do? how he would feel?
Read the history, it says it right there!
He gathered his army and invaded those kuffars at plea of help from one, just ONE muslimah. As did many Islamic rulers after him. he didn't go lick the wounds of the rapers and butchers of Muslims.
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sister herb
12-04-2016, 08:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
so if someone raped your sister and mother and killed your father and brothers and later on suffered PTSD, are you going to show sympathy to him?

Well, can you forgive to him? The answer weights your humanity.

And it´s not some blah blah or old nonsense. It´s following the Prothet´s Sunnah, to which is based of our religion. So be careful what you call as "blah blah". ;D

Now, if someone hurted the Prophet himself, what did he do?
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*charisma*
12-04-2016, 08:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
so if someone raped your sister and mother and killed your father and brothers and later on suffered PTSD, are you going to show sympathy to him?



So are you going to start crying for frown then? what about that israeli PM that just passed away?

some ppl on this board have a sick sense of sympathy and empathy, crying over the butchers of Muslims but i don't I don't hear a peep from them regarding the suffering of the Muslims.

The believers are one body, when one part is hurt the whole body feels pain.
May Allah send upon them a 1000x worst then what they do to the Ummah of the Prophet :saws1:



"we should think about what how Prophet feels"
"What would prophet do if he was here"
blah blah
some old non sense I hear from Muslims these days.

You want to know what he would do? how he would feel?
Read the history, it says it right there!
He gathered his army and invaded those kuffars at plea of help from one, just ONE muslimah. As did many Islamic rulers after him. he didn't go lick the wounds of the rapers and butchers of Muslims.
I wasn't disagreeing with you, but my point is that we can feel emotion and there's no sin in that regardless of what someone deserves, which is what the thread topic regards.

But say these kufaar die, is it not sad that these individuals did not get to see Islam the way we see it? Is it not disappointing that as Allah's servants, they did not serve Him the way He should be served? It it not grotesque when shaytaan has more power over these individuals than their own humanity? It's not the victimizers that deserve our sympathy, it's the situation and the world we are in. I personally would never allow myself to become desensitized or to lose my humanity due to oppressors, it's what differentiates us. When we fight oppressors, it's for a purpose, not for sport; and even with purpose Allah knows that we may not feel like doing it but He reminds us and reinforces that He makes the universal rules and knows what we do not know.

Arguably I could also say that feeling some sort of way is what alerts us into action, and that many are lacking in that aspect.
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AHMED PATEL
12-04-2016, 10:51 AM
there are many lessons from history.

people who buried their own daughters alive became sahabah r.a.
the one who carried a sword to kill the prophet s.a.w. became the second ranked sahabah r.a.
others who mutilated sahabah on the battlefield also became sahabah r.a.

allahs mercy and wisdom far exceeds ours infinitely

and we also have muslims who commit horrible crimes against muslims and non muslims now and in history
hajjaj bin yusuf in history is infamous
and also many now who are in the news regularly
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
12-04-2016, 11:28 AM
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَسْتُمْ عَلَى شَيْءٍ حَتَّى تُقِيمُوا التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنْجِيلَ وَمَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ رَبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا فَلَا تَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ


{"Say: O people of the Book! You are not upon anything until you act according to the Tawraah, the Injeel and what has been revealed to you from your Rabb (i.e. the Qur'aan). And what has been revealed to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) from your Rabb will not increase most of them except in Tughyaan (rebellion) and Kufr, so do not feel sorry for the people who are Kaafireen."** [Soorah al-Maa'idah, 5:68]
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Woodrow
12-04-2016, 12:28 PM
The veterans who suffer from PTSD are not likely to be the ones who commit atrocities, but are generally the ones who have witnessed the horrors and atrocities of war.

Being a Vietnam veteran who was severely injured I suffered PTSD for many years. Not because of the injuries I received, but because of the horrors I saw.
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Serinity
12-04-2016, 01:22 PM
:salam:

I honestly have no time to carry about others, when I myself have my own trials.

I can not change people around me, nor do I have time for that. my only duty is to change myself according to Islam, and obey Allah. Let Allah do the rest.

Allahu alam.
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fyi
12-04-2016, 01:47 PM
"...We had a code of honor, you my back I watch yours..."

More like --> "You kill the people who are trying to protect their country behind me while I kill the people who try to protect their daughters and wives from getting raped behind you."
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ardianto
12-04-2016, 03:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
The veterans who suffer from PTSD are not likely to be the ones who commit atrocities, but are generally the ones who have witnessed the horrors and atrocities of war.
In 90's I've ever be friend with a soldier, a private, who suffer from PTSD after returned from East Timor. He was a kind and humble person, although sometime he look odd. He was suffer from phobia of kitchen knife. I knew, he had seen something that really shocked him in East Timor and made him got this phobia although he never wanted to tell what he had ever seen.

In that time, I also have ever met a first officer who told me the role he had taken in protecting the soldiers who involved in Santa Cruz massacre. He told me about it while smile, like what he had done was not wrong. Different than the private that I mention above, this first officer was not suffer from PTSD. I also knew him as someone with bad behavior.

Those who commit atrocities indeed, will not suffer from PTSD. It's because their hearts are frozen.
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Mustafa16
12-04-2016, 03:42 PM
I think people are over generalizing the way Americans conduct themselves in war....yes, there are horrible human rights abuses committed by Americans, but to say that they all go out and rape women and children and kill civilians knowingly is a sweeping generalization....and people ignore that it is illegal in the American military to rape civilians, or kill civilians knowingly, and the people that do such things get punished, generally... @islamirama those men who carried out the mahmoudiyya killings and rape were sentenced to life in prison....
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sister herb
12-04-2016, 03:55 PM
You are right. Generalization is easy and people goes to it fast when the subject we are talking is sensitive what this kind of matters usually are. What came to my mind earlier was that not all American soldiers are or were kafirs at all. Also not all soldiers go to the war because they really wanted it. There might be many reasons why they did so, like being brainwashed to believe they have to go to protect their country/freedom/democracy etc.

We should recognize what is the real enemy and I think it is the war itself.
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islamirama
12-04-2016, 05:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
I think people are over generalizing the way Americans conduct themselves in war....and people ignore that it is illegal in the American military to rape civilians, or kill civilians knowingly, and the people that do such things get punished, generally... .
You say sweeping generalizations because you are ignorant of widespread rape culture of america and its military. Not only do they rape the local women of which ever country they invade, they also rape their own within their own camp.



Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, has refused to take the fall by herself and has implicated the CIA, Military Intelligence and private US government contractors in the torturing of POW's and in the raping of Iraqi women detainees as well.”

A month before the alleged abuses and rapes occurred, she said, a team of CIA, Military Intelligence officers and private consultants under the employ of the US government came to Abu Ghraib. "Their main and specific mission was to give the interrogators new techniques to get more information from detainees," she said.


The London newspaper further noted “graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President Obama’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published.”

It is now known, Cienfuegos wrote in May 2004, that hundreds of these photographs had been in circulation among the troops in Iraq.

The graphic photos were being swapped between the soldiers like baseball cards.

"The nudity technique used by the Americans against Iraqi detainees is a long time Israeli favorite but unfortunately pictures never surfaced to expose the barbarism and brutality of a country bragging about being an oasis of democracy." - Palestinian detainee
here, do some reading and see how much of generalization this is:

U.S. soldiers raping all over the world
http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...ll=1#post59184

Rape Rampant in US Military
http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...in-US-Military

US forces rape women in northern Afghanistan village
http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...ll=1#post64236

Afghan girl raped, killed by US troops
http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...ll=1#post60304


Hundreds of Graphic rape photos Obama refuses to release
http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthr...baseball-cards

everybody here needs to see that last link above and then tell me who do you shed tears for more

@islamirama those men who carried out the mahmoudiyya killings and rape were sentenced to life in prison...
Because he got caught. He and his buddies said terrorists were hiding in the house that's why they did it. Had the neighbors who were aware not contacted other authorities and demanded justice, no one would have known. How many others like him who were not caught or reported? .

In March 2006 four US soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division gang raped a 14 year old Iraqi girl and murdered her and her family —including a 5 year old child. An additional soldier was involved in the cover-up.

One of the killers, Steven Green, was found guilty on May 07, 2009 in the US District Court of Paducah and is now awaiting sentencing.The leaked Public Affairs Guidance put the 101st media team into a "passive posture" — withholding information where possible. It conceals presence of both child victims, and describes the rape victim, who had just turned 14, as "a young woman".

The US Army's Criminal Investigation Division did not begin its investigation until three and a half months after the crime, news reports at that time commented.This is not the only grim picture coming out of Iraq U.S. forces being accused of using rape as a war weapon.



format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
We should recognize what is the real enemy and I think it is the war itself.
Do you live in some fairy land or something?
war will not be held accountable on Judgement day, it will not be punished in the hell fire. PEOPLE will be the fuel for the hellfire for the atrocities they commit against others.

I don't know about your kind, but here is the ummah's enemy.

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format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
Well, can you forgive to him? The answer weights your humanity.
Islam give me the right to take his life, that is islamic justice. You can daydream about your humanity all you like.

and can you forgive your rapist? talk is cheap if you haven't been there.
And it´s not some blah blah or old nonsense. It´s following the Prothet´s Sunnah, to which is based of our religion. So be careful what you call as "blah blah". ;D
That is blah blah non sense, not the sunnah. That is the crap whipped muslims and kuffar sympathizers pass around.

Now, if someone hurted the Prophet himself, what did he do?
We already went over this in another thread.

IF someone harmed him personally, he forgave them. If they harmed his ummah, he would go to war with them.

What do you people do when the kuffar goes to war with his ummah? shed tears for them?

He had a kuffar assassinated for writing lewd poetry about Muslim women, and you sympathize and shed tears for the kuffar that rapes Muslim women.

Whose side are you really on?

isn't that the definition of hypocrisy?


format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*
I wasn't disagreeing with you, but my point is that we can feel emotion and there's no sin in that regardless of what someone deserves, which is what the thread topic regards.
yes, we are talking about emotions. If your head is not on straight then you will feel emotions for the enemy and not the Muslims. We have plenty of kuffar sympathizers these days, some on this forum, who want to feel emotions and sad for the butchers of Muslims and who run around like clowns 'liking' each others sympathizer posts.

When the iraqi, afghan, palestinian, rohynga, kashmiri, somali, yemeni, ask how many tears and emotions were spend over them vs their enemies, let's see what people have to say about that on J-Day. Forget taking up arms and defending the oppressed, forget raising your hands and making dua for them and against their butchers, we can't even feel remorse of their suffering and anger against their aggressors. And Muslims want to see ummah in power and glory ? how about we correct the direction of our emotions first.

And if people want to feel emotions, then they need to educated themselves about the suffering of the ummah. Instead of wasting time watching ptsd videos of the rapists and murderers, why don't we watch videos of their raping and murders?

I like EVERYONE on this forum to read these personal accounts;

Nadia's Story Told Through Her Tears: The Americans Have Raped Me Like This!
http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...ll=1#post60098

The Dark and Secret Dungeons of Iraq. Horror Stories of Female Prisoners
http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...ll=1#post64434
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Serinity
12-04-2016, 07:16 PM
:salam:

This world isn't ideal, where mankind rejoice together in harmony and peace. I don't have much to say.

may Allah help the Muslims. Ameen.
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AHMED PATEL
12-04-2016, 09:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
I think people are over generalizing the way Americans conduct themselves in war....yes, there are horrible human rights abuses committed by Americans, but to say that they all go out and rape women and children and kill civilians knowingly is a sweeping generalization....and people ignore that it is illegal in the American military to rape civilians, or kill civilians knowingly, and the people that do such things get punished, generally... @islamirama those men who carried out the mahmoudiyya killings and rape were sentenced to life in prison....
evil is done by many men and women
muslim and non muslim
some muslims refuse to acknowledge this
its a weakness,not strength
sorting out our own filth is hard dirty work
moaning about affairs afar is just too easy

good thread mustafa,balance in life is important.

all those muslims who have suffered in this world will be rewarded by allah taala,suffering is a sunnah of the prophets and sahabah and many others,it is by allahs wisdom.
though we also should oppose oppression within the law and seek justice too.
but in reality in this world that is far from being wholly attainable.
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Scimitar
03-13-2017, 05:11 PM
Is it wrong to feel entertained by US vets who are sufferring PTSD?

I mean, they are quite vocal about why they join the army, 9/10 say "to defend my country". Well, I can't recall the last time the USA was invaded. SO what are they defending?

When donkeys like this go join an army, and come back with their tails tucked firmly between their legs, how am I supposed to feel?

I can't help but smirk at the life lesson they learnt. It's not their war. They found out the hard way.

I hope they teach school kids not to be so patriotic and instead, teach the children to measure the USA against the rest of the world first, because bloody heck. The USA has the worlds worst reputation for a great number of things. Small wonder they need an enemy to par those accusations off against - and they choose the only people who don't have their own media arm - the Muslims.

Oh - that reminds me - quite a few Ex Army Veterans from the US forces, became Muslim when they returned to the States - that turns my smirk into a smile :)

Scimi
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M.I.A.
03-13-2017, 05:27 PM
im not so sure...

if they walked around in uniform.. the public at large would offer them all sorts of curtesies, discounts and perks.

i imagine..

the stolen valour youtube videos lead me to think this.

if any of them show show regret or remorse.. then they are fully aware that is not what the world wants.


as it is, an imaginary cog in an imaginary machine is worth very little if it actually becomes real..

the machine keeps rolling on.

i couldnt do it in the first place so.. no army for me..

they would probably get me killed anyway.

..
...

lol it was a rambo clip? fantastic..


damn bro, i already been through two teams!

i think most of them are very successful god willing.

i like his rocky speech better.

https://youtu.be/Hbi__sQ7F5Q
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