Originally Posted by czgibson
How about present day?
Assuming we are sufficiently un-ignorant..... modern people.
Would you be convinced?
Cosmological, Logical and scientific Argument for existence of God...
· _Anything that has a beginning cannot be the cause__of its own existence.
· _A deterministic system needs a designer._
context of cosmology, then it becomes a necessity that there exist an
uncaused, intelligent (agency, source, entity) which caused all that
You were not responsible for your own birth
nor, the smartphone you use came into existence on its own
it has been established that our universe was indeed created and did
not exist, it had a beginning, *not only that scientist tells us that it*
*came out of nothing…!!!*
"All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning
" : Stephen Hawking (
living Einstein )
"entire universe, from the fireball of the Big Bang to the star-studded cosmos we now inhabit, popped into existence from nothing at all
But remember *nothing cannot create something
… you still need something to create something out of nothing.*
cannot exist because absolute nothing has no properties
therefore neither can it act nor it can be acted upon.
So if absolute nothing existed nothing would exist.
So what caused, created, our universe?
Simple logical and rational reasoning suffice.
Let’s assume ‘A’ created our universe.
Now there are *Only two possibilities
* for existence of ‘A’.
_If there is a third possibility let me know…_
First possibility: ‘A’ itself was created by say ‘B’ and then ‘B’ was created by ‘C’,
This is infinite regression which is *inconclusive, irrational and impossible.*
Let’s say you have 1000 dominoes lined up, to begin domino effect you need first initial push to the first domino.
If you have infinite number of dominoes lined up, it means there is no
First domino and therefore there cannot be first initial push and hence
Domino effect cannot exist, _the sequence will never start._
Because if there is no first domino then the dominoes do not exist but our universe exist and it had a beginning.
*The first scenario for ‘A’ is therefore impossible.
The second possibility for ‘A’ is the most *reasonable, rational, logical
,* and the only possibility
Never had a beginning, it always existed, we can further expound that
‘A’ possesses intelligence (including all the knowledge and information
Present in our universe) and
*'A' is capable of bringing things into existence out of nothing
By being able to create things out of nothing *'A'* is *De-linked* from the *chain of cause and effect, and is not a part of it*
*A* is not the first cause
but causes the first cause in the chain of cause and effect and since it is De-linked from the chain, *it requires no cause for itself to exist
* and eliminates the problem of infinite regression.*
Since 'A' always existed, it has no end and no beginning
, which means it is truly infinite, unchanging, therefore it does not require the function of time for its existence *or* cause for its existence , since it has no beginning .
Moving on to second statement…
*A deterministic system requires a Designer
_A deterministic system cannot arise out of randomness because randomness and determinism are inimical to each other._
Actually there is no such thing as true randomness, there is no such thing as *by chance.*
We have is *bounded uncertainty*, for example no matter how many times
You throw a dice, throw it for a zillion times, *you will never ever get a 7.*
What we have is a *bounded uncertainty
* that any number from 1 to 6 may show up.
If you plant an apple seed you don’t get randomly an orange tree (unless Monsanto is involved… :)
Even the uncertainty that exist at quantum level is a bounded uncertainty.
And randomness and uncertainty are two different things.
Tells us that it is Higgs boson that is responsible for giving mass and
Properties to all the matter that exists in our universe.
True randomness existed we would be seeing all kind of different matter
Popping out into existence. In fact our universe will collapse due to
Random process taking place,
"Stephen Hawking Says 'God Particle’ (Higgs boson
Could Wipe Out the Universe
" : http://goo.gl/k2LHnE
Do you think a unicorn is yet to pop out into existence?
Ask Higgs boson, and there you have a nice little unicorn.!!!
A Deterministic system
comes into existence, its parameters, its
Specifications, its possible states, needs to be *pre-determined.*
Example our humble electronic calculator which is a deterministic
System, before it can be manufactured (created) its specification needs
To be pre-determined
, how many digits it can display, to what level of
Accuracy it can perform calculation and so on.
is a deterministic system
and it is governed by laws
of the nature which gives it a deterministic attribute
Before our universe came into existence, it had to be pre-determined
What type of laws of nature it will have, what possible state it can
Have, its behavior and so on.
*And this can only come about if it has a Designer
Where does God come in here?
There are two mistakes
that an atheist makes
They club Gods of different religions under one roof and reject them lock stock and barrel.
This is like saying all bacteria’s are harmful for health, which is factually incorrect.
_A spoon by any other name is a spoon but A spoon by any other function is not a spoon_
The second logical fallacy
an atheist commits is asking for empirical evidence
for existence of God.
god that has empirical evidence is a false god because anything that
Has empirical evidence means it obeys the law of nature and anything
That is subservient to the law of nature cannot be the creator of that
Let’s talk about God of Islam Allah (swt).
*Remember ‘A’ it is always existing?*
In the noble Quran Allah (swt) describes himself.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
Allah does not have size , form or shape that can be described as we understand how things exists
, because there is nothing that exists that can be compared with Allah.
So how do we know who is Allah?
_Through his attributes._
Allah (swt) has at least 99 names or attributes, some relevant one are…
Allah is also known as *‘al-Bâqî
The One whose existence has neither beginning nor end
. The One whose existence is beyond the realm of time.
*‘A’ possesses all intellect present in our universe.*
Allah is also known as *‘al-'Alîm
The One who is intuitively aware of all things, even before they happen.
One from whom no knowledge is concealed
. The One who is aware of the complete details of all matters.
*‘A’ is capable of bringing things into existence out of nothing.
"Creator of the heavens and the earth from *nothingness
*, He has only
to say when He wills
a thing: "Be", and it is.": Translation by Ahmed Ali
Verily, His command, when He intends a thing, is only
that He says
to it, “Be!”– and it is
[Noble Quran 36:82)
be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth,
Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four
(pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all
(Noble Quran 35:1)
*Our universe is deterministic.*
This is in compliance with Islamic view.
" Verily, all things have We created in proportion and measure
.." [Al-Qur'an 54:49]
One of the article of faith in Islam is Al-Qada' and Al-Qadr, of Allah.
al-Qada' and al-Qadr mean the predestination of an action or an event.
However if they are combined then al-Qadr means the predestination of an
Act or event before it occurs and al-Qada' refers to act or event after
It takes place.
As you must have realized 'A
' is the only rational and logical Agency, entity, source
that is capable of creating our universe
And by function 'A' fits Allah
. (Remember spoon?)
_Now all you have to acknowledge is that..
' is for Allah.*
But of course...
_there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:_
_whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most_
_trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth_
is the most logical and rational religion
_It offers rational explanation for any query you may have._
*Related Topic:* free will predestination and determinism
And ...Allah alone knows best.
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