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ahmedeen
01-14-2017, 02:21 PM
Alhamdulillahi rabbil aalameen

Recently I've heard many scholars talking about jamat tableigh and labelling them as bid'ah is there any basis to this, should I follow their advices.
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azc
01-14-2017, 04:50 PM
No group of this ummah is perfect, including tabligi jamat but I appreciate their efforts. I don't trust the scholars if they criticize any group of ummah. We need unity, not division
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 02:55 AM
'If we look at sky through green glass it appears greenish...if we look red glass it appears reddish'


For the Aalim...they may not understand it is their most important duty to spread dheen...If Jamaat thableigh works for spreading dheen...no problem....today Aalims have no voice about adulteries and nude posters in muslim ummah....Turkey was a muslim country look how bad it is going ....Spain was a muslim country...when people stopped doing Dawah ...Allah took muslims away from spain....Qiyamah will be when there will no single True muslim left in this world...If we are muslims we should do dawah...there should no division within muslims...Alims have mixed opinion...in these days each group have Alims...who speak for them...and there are Alims who support da'wah
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azc
02-03-2017, 03:33 AM
^We need to differentiate between ulama e haq and ulama e soo.
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aaj
02-03-2017, 02:49 PM
Personally I would stay away from them. Here's some info on them:

pros/cons
https://islamqa.info/en/8674

http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/A...Jma'at.htm

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azc
02-03-2017, 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by aaj
Personally I would stay away from them. Here's some info on them: pros/cons https://islamqa.info/en/8674 http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/A...Jma'at.htm
and I think this is one of the best group of this ummah in this age.
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 03:18 PM
if you are doing or confident that level of eeman inside you is enough...you can stay away....Allah Swt will question ...why you refused to...i know nobody is perfect.Look at them ....they are Daees...not some people who make duniya with dheen......We should encourage the good and forbid the evil....what often people do id completely forbidding the good and encouraging evil...in my locality ...mosques are empty or 1 saff with old people...jn Tabligh jamaat remind us of life for dheen...i got myself too improved my eeman...rectified my mistakes... if you want to understand them...treat them with good manners...if they invite you...atleast spent 3 days....for correcting eeman...for Allah...you should go out and talk with them and understand. before misunderstanding.... look christians and several millions hate islam..because due to misconceptions... if we are too creating misconceptions...we ourselves are creating divisions...look muslims are one...and only one division....remember quran ayat.....those who invite towards Allah are the best among people.
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 03:21 PM
Most importantly do not become fans of Alims ...because noone can help you in judgement day....see knowledge....and continue to learn....do not do shirk....some people or division cannot make you up in judgement day...Allah look at hearts of people ...if you try to talk with all people ..if you suffered enough in life for Allah....what do you need more....we need to do everything for Allah
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Scimitar
02-03-2017, 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by aaj

Abu Musab Wajdi Akari is a troll.

Scimi
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 03:50 PM
i attend religious talk from Alims...i dont understand where they got courage to moke rather than rectifying the wrong...they try to moke those who where dheeny...they always say tabligh is against Muhammed pbuh...astagfirullah...is there any logic to what they say....people with eeman never is against Muhammed....on judgement day...Allah will question those who spread lies and hatred ....Allah created different test for us to understand the right and forbid the wrong...we need to understand because it is our destiny....eternal heaven or eternal hell....never call or moke or harass or speak bad against anyone even if they do bad....if Allah gave them hidayah and make them much better than us...nobody is perfect....May Allah help us understand the correct path
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-03-2017, 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by Shamnadanu
i dont understand where they got courage to moke rather than rectifying the wrong
Which `Ulamaa are you referring to?
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azc
02-03-2017, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Shamnadanu
i attend religious talk from Alims...i dont understand where they got courage to moke rather than rectifying the wrong...they try to moke those who where dheeny...they always say tabligh is against Muhammed pbuh...astagfirullah...is there any logic to what they say....people with eeman never is against Muhammed....on judgement day...Allah will question those who spread lies and hatred ....Allah created different test for us to understand the right and forbid the wrong...we need to understand because it is our destiny....eternal heaven or eternal hell....never call or moke or harass or speak bad against anyone even if they do bad....if Allah gave them hidayah and make them much better than us...nobody is perfect....May Allah help us understand the correct path
I think you are an active member of TJ
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 05:03 PM
I like Muslims Generally. ...I like the people who were sincere in Dheen...i see lot of people ...i am unable to trust them...i see myself weak in Eeman...my enemy is my own Nafs (body)...So i am active in Dawah ...i am 20 year old and learning
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Which `Ulamaa are you referring to?
Usually in my locality...there is group called A.P sunni and E.K sunnis.... ulamas among them...i see they moke the way TJ member went out for dawah...they say the way they dress..TJ when going out have plates dishes etc...so they spent their wealth time effort sacrificing for Allah..inviting others...those people get so many experience s during journey.. tough situation s actually rise our eeman up...the journey is actually based on rules in islam ..with quran and hadith.....Do a muslim need to involve in anything which Allah forbid....?think logic. ..effort is spending on dawah and improving our own eeman and gaining knowledge...if hearts wish is true...Allah is only looking on hearts and deeds...but people look for materialistically...egoitic. we need to change our vision...our life is too life...what is our balance in time left?...i am 20 ....live like you die Tomorrow ..learn like you live forever....May Allah forgives us sinners......
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-03-2017, 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by Shamnadanu
Usually in my locality...there is group called A.P sunni and E.K sunnis.... ulamas among them...i see they moke the way TJ member went out for dawah...they say the way they dress..TJ when going out have plates dishes etc...so they spent their wealth time effort sacrificing for Allah..inviting others...those people get so many experience s during journey.. tough situation s actually rise our eeman up...the journey is actually based on rules in islam ..with quran and hadith.....Do a muslim need to involve in anything which Allah forbid....?think logic. ..effort is spending on dawah and improving our own eeman and gaining knowledge...if hearts wish is true...Allah is only looking on hearts and deeds...but people look for materialistically...egoitic. we need to change our vision...our life is too life...what is our balance in time left?...i am 20 ....live like you die Tomorrow ..learn like you live forever....May Allah forgives us sinners......
You're living in Kerala?
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aaj
02-03-2017, 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Abu Musab Wajdi Akari is a troll.

Scimi
Got any proof against the brother?

Originally Posted by azc
and I think this is one of the best group of this ummah in this age.

sure, if you love bidah, weak ahadith and shirk.

Originally Posted by azc
No group of this ummah is perfect, including tabligi jamat but I appreciate their efforts. I don't trust the scholars if they criticize any group of ummah. We need unity, not division

It's their job to warn against deviant groups. Otherwise we have deviant scholars of shia, sunni, suffi and what have you all sharing the same platform giving dawah to masses. Most of the "religious" youths are messed up thanks to these deviant scholars, like hamza yusuf and his institute.
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by aaj
Got any proof against the brother?




sure, if you love bidah, weak ahadith and shirk.




It's their job to warn against deviant groups. Otherwise we have deviant scholars of shia, sunni, suffi and what have you all sharing the same platform giving dawah to masses. Most of the "religious" youths are messed up thanks to these deviant scholars, like hamza yusuf and his institute.
Bida'ah ....can i tell you what that is
in my locality there was a grave of awliya...2 graves +.some other peoples....these graves are now modified ... not greater than 10 years...inside a big mosque ....earning high income...when people say its for siyarat ....what is their intention....the income...little they Allah look at the hearts of believers...it is seen that people hsve no no respect to grave.. my explanation: ONE OF MY NON MUSLIM FRIEND ASKED ME ABOUT THIS AND SAID HE HAD HEARD THE GRAVE WILL IT EXPANDS....HE BEGAN EXPLANING WHAT HE HEARD OF GRAVE...AND AT LAST SAID HE VISIT IT OCCASSIONALLY WITH HIS FAMILY...UNDERSTAND THIS THIS AWLIYA CAME TO PROPAGATE DHEEN...WHAT IS THIS HAPPENING TODAY...DHEEN WASN'T THERE. ..LOT OF BLIND BELIEF AND MAJOR SHIRKS EXIST....IF I ASK ANY ONE WHO VISIT GRAVE....THEY WOULD SAY THEY PRAYED TO AWLIYA.. EVEN I WERE THOUGHT THE SAME WHEN IN LKG/UKG...Also so many weird things. .if any imam speak bad. ....he will be suspended sooner!inside...so many influence of politics . . .
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Shamnadanu
02-03-2017, 11:31 PM
sure, if you love bidah, weak ahadith and shirk.



completely avoiding one group of daees are not at all nice...i must say this is not a small group of people..contraveries existed for years when there was n't any internet...sheikul hadith Maulana zakarriya sahib compiled those hadiths based on amals...which is to increase eeman...lots of Alims in this platform...dont have stage ...improving sunnah....when Alim fails people fails too...here the responsibility of every muslim is foebid the bad and enjoin the good.thats why it says highest group of people...i have never seen community like this with so mamy wisdom...even people of different positions and problems ...get their eeeman rectified...it is not bida'ah...these days people wont care if you do sjirk..if you fo bidaah or if you understand weak hadiths...if someone is seen 5 times on mosque...they began to discuss about his past etc....look this is something for eeman...eeman will come inside your own...ilm is made farlh after age 14
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Scimitar
02-03-2017, 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by aaj
Got any proof against the brother?

There's plenty on youtube, he's a takfiri. He's made takfir on scholars like Shaikh Hamza Yusuf and Imran Hosein among others. And he had no proof. Funny thing is you are asking me for proof - and the proof is there, on youtube.

I'm sure you've seen it. How can you ask me for it? lol

Scimi
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aaj
02-04-2017, 12:06 AM
Originally Posted by Shamnadanu
sure, if you love bidah, weak ahadith and shirk.



completely avoiding one group of daees are not at all nice...i must say this is not a small group of people..contraveries existed for years when there was n't any internet...sheikul hadith Maulana zakarriya sahib compiled those hadiths based on amals...which is to increase eeman...lots of Alims in this platform...dont have stage ...improving sunnah....when Alim fails people fails too...here the responsibility of every muslim is foebid the bad and enjoin the good.thats why it says highest group of people...i have never seen community like this with so mamy wisdom...even people of different positions and problems ...get their eeeman rectified...it is not bida'ah...these days people wont care if you do sjirk..if you fo bidaah or if you understand weak hadiths...if someone is seen 5 times on mosque...they began to discuss about his past etc....look this is something for eeman...eeman will come inside your own...ilm is made farlh after age 14
There is a BIG difference between having difference of opinions and have incorrect aqeedah and information. Faziel-amal is a book of shirk and if people want to ignorantly follow it and defend it then it is their akhirah they are putting on the line.

http://www.it-rx.com/salafi-scholars...gh/0011001.htm
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aaj
02-04-2017, 12:08 AM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
There's plenty on youtube, he's a takfiri. He's made takfir on scholars like Shaikh Hamza Yusuf and Imran Hosein among others. And he had no proof. Funny thing is you are asking me for proof - and the proof is there, on youtube.

I'm sure you've seen it. How can you ask me for it? lol

Scimi
By your token, ever scholar is a troll for making takfir on others. Hamza yusuf is a sufi deviant, imran hosein also doesn't have all the correct information. But i know people on this forum love their deviant scholars so i guess no point discussing this any further.
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by aaj
There is a BIG difference between having difference of opinions and have incorrect aqeedah and information. Faziel-amal is a book of shirk and if people want to ignorantly follow it and defend it then it is their akhirah they are putting on the line.

http://www.it-rx.com/salafi-scholars...gh/0011001.htm
I read this..having different opinions are usually benefiiting to rectify our eeman...so for those who learn hadiths and understand it ...it gives us correct interpretation in our hearts...some incidents really change our life...it is with eeman...sahabas learned quran later...so in order to understand in correcf sense we need eeman....brother answer to everything is explained....misunderstanding is the cause...i read those hadiths...they never promote shirk of any kind...the first hadith says the love of sahabi for the prophet...bu the writer thought as shirk...look allah swt is the changer of hearts...even though with all knowledge/ahlu sunna wal jama one cannot get hidaya ..we know about phiroan,Abu Talib and.son of nooh a.s ...etc...so correct knolege sahee ilm is not ilm we got within the books..it must be felt within the heart....logically:_sheikul hadiths Maulana zakarriys sahib was not intended to create another sect in islam....reinnovate the dheen...use wikipedia...to know...also ithink there are some blogspot which answers the misconceptions...i will give those links...brothers we all are learning and looking at correct way nd practising it...simply telling that it is right /wrong doesnot make us muslims a muslim..we should go through them...if we could...we should atleast spent quality time on Jamaat 3days...minimum...so to get correct understanding.... i m 100%_ sure the experience ie not like you think.. not like we speak on islamicboard or online forums...online learning and learning from a teacher are different...there is a hadith...which says...if you truly love prophet ...poverty will soon reach you....do poverty reach how many muslims...we must fear allah.mwe got all provisions...all necessaries.... people do dawah at our doorsteps...we are creating misunderstanding without even asking their opinion.....our enemy is shaytan...who bends out the hadiths...if we do or cannot understand others hearts...why label the whole group of people as....dawah efforts by all organisations helped dheen...Allah is the knower of hearts...So there are muslims or true muslims among which Allah only knews....being a sunni or bleonging to salafi....or son of Alim....cannot make or save us ...only good hearts and deeds could........this is so complex...to type...its about eeman...how could anyone count the heartbeat when hearing some hadith...some people have no effect and some people really change by same incident...because Allah is changer of hearts....If we do dua to Allah ....is Allah enough powerful to guide us....we should do efforts on dheen for eeman
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 01:54 AM
http://tablighijamaattruth.blogspot....ons-is-it.html
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 02:06 AM
if you call someone as something... Allah will question on judgement day...understand that all the persons whom you made inferior to you...Allah make them superior....we should do dawah and work for eeman...when a mother said to child ...look at the sky...the stars are bigger than the moon...child will see by looking at he see moon is bigger than stars...so just by looking at cannot make us understand dheen....it must be felt within hearts...knowledge is direction....with dheen....money position are not what need in life....dheen should be used to create ihsan ikhlas thaqwa thawakkul thauheed...these are qualities of eeman...there are still lots of people who were born handicapped cannot hear or speak or learn...Allah is only looking at their hearts...our Most important thing is dawah...because Allah will ask us Allah gave us knowledge and everything...what did you do with it....how could i say i made a living and happy life...when others around me all muslims as well as nonmuslims around me waiting for Allah 's mercy turn against me not even remininding them of Allsh and judgement day...brother this too is my problem...lot of hardships to be faced in life...life isnt easy...look at our beloved prohets life...
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 02:12 AM
To understand it correctly...i go out with TJ...when everyone.. most people was speaking allegations...i go out for 3 days...and still when i get holidays i go out...and everyday Read hadith after fajr prayer...also Do mahshura on effort of dheen in our locality...inshallah i will go out for 4 months...it is very effective...since after long experiences ...my main problems will be solved....concetration in prayers...good hearts...restraing from sins..etc.
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azc
02-04-2017, 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by aaj
Got any proof against the brother? sure, if you love bidah, weak ahadith and shirk. It's their job to warn against deviant groups. Otherwise we have deviant scholars of shia, sunni, suffi and what have you all sharing the same platform giving dawah to masses. Most of the "religious" youths are messed up thanks to these deviant scholars, like hamza yusuf and his institute.
brainwashed like you can't see the the reality........ Grow up ! Leave the hatred shopping.
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by azc
brainwashed like you can't see the the reality........ Grow up ! Leave the hatred shopping.
Dont talk like that to anyone.....
i 've seen a person needs help here
.see a look @youtube...
https://youtu.be/Ooxqkycjkpg

this video posted person is anti islam...his other videos are cut and dubbed with wrong titles like muslim turned christian or zakir naik accept christian...or...something...even given Qur'an verses ...he is not accepting it ...he is alive and active....Brother if anyone give him source and proof to him would be nice with a strong title...May Allah give him hidayah
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 02:59 AM
his name is w.masih in youtube...he is spresding lies...fakes...one of his video link js given above.
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talibilm
02-04-2017, 03:00 AM
:sl:

I think This hadith will be good enough to show my stance.

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 206 Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:


The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a stateshould take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."


Note :

1) Do not stop any Muslim who is working for deen IN ANY FORM. let their Mistakes DO NOT OVERSHADOW THEIR CAPACITY TO DO GOOD. stopping a good deed is an act of Shaitan and shaitan is destined to hell.

2) Let every Muslim get enough knowledge to know the priority among the Orders of Allah & differentiate NOT ONLY between Kufr & shirk but between Fard & Wajib, Sunnah Muakakkada or stressed sunnah & ordinary sunnah , Musthahab & Nafl

3) Avoid Sects and Maintain Unity amongst Muslims. We are good with kaffirs with whom we differ 90% but hate Muslims with different opinion. ^o) with whom we differ just 20 % , this is TRAP of IBLIS SHAITAN , The real enemy of Muslims.

4) All these are TESTS for the Ummah to prove who wants to follow groupism , ego or the Order of Allah and his Nabi ?
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by talibilm
:sl:

I think This hadith will be good enough to show my stance.

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 206 Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:


The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a stateshould take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."


Note :

1) Do not stop any Muslim who is working for deen IN ANY FORM. let their Mistakes DO NOT OVERSHADOW THEIR CAPACITY TO DO GOOD.

2) Let every Muslim get enough knowledge to know the priority among the Orders of Allah & differentiate NOT ONLY between Kufr & shirk but between Fard & Wajib, Sunnah Muakakkada or stressed sunnah & ordinary sunnah , Musthahab & Nafl

3) Avoid Sects and Maintain Unity amongst Muslims. We are good with kaffirs with whom we differ 90% but hate Muslims with different opinion. ^o) with whom we differ just 20 % , this is TRAP of IBLIS SHAITAN , The real enemy of Muslims.

4) All these are TESTS for the Ummah to prove who wants to follow groupism , ego or the Order of Allah and his Nabi ?
Mashallah
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Scimitar
02-04-2017, 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by aaj
By your token, ever scholar is a troll for making takfir on others. Hamza yusuf is a sufi deviant, imran hosein also doesn't have all the correct information. But i know people on this forum love their deviant scholars so i guess no point discussing this any further.

I find your comment reeking of ignorance. Honestly. Stupid ignorance. Which of these three scholars make takfir? Imran Hosein? Hamza Yusuf? or Your fake milk shake?

Yep - your troll shaikh Akari.

Did the scholars ever disagree on matters? did the sahabi ra? Yes. Was it ever a cause for making takfir? NO.

You, are ignorant and don't know what you are talking about.

I'd advise you to stay quiet and do some reading, but ignorance will keep you arguing like your fake fool of a shaikh.



Oh yeah, he's a coward as well.

Scimi
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 04:30 PM
brothers take control over your emotions and angry...shaytan will make you call coward or ...such words to others...later you will feel it...i shouldn't have called such...moreover we are understanding true faith...so some knew of things better than others...so every answers please make sure not hurt or lower others...Allah make them superior for that act...i am afraid.
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 04:48 PM
Brothers...look here ...A person with ego or with influence of shaytan ..is defending truth with lies hatred and ego...
https://youtu.be/Ooxqkycjkpg


look here someone in youtube post videos of fake and wrong titles...still people gives proof and evidence... still rejects.....this is what is seen


brothers we know we need to suffer some hardship so as to attain Jannah ...and Allah mercy...fear Allah...open the heart out...throw every hatred ego...etc...

include me in your duas...i need not money or anything from you all...i never wanted to win...i want Allah nercy and eeman...i am saying this as i am not perfect and weaker eeman than you all.
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Shamnadanu
02-04-2017, 04:53 PM
even though we brothers are not different sect...we are muslims...and in Allah view our hearts... so we are one ummah muslim....we need to understand what shaytan..do......look at people who are completely against...and need of dawah...if we dont do our job...Allah will replace us with sone other people
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aaj
02-05-2017, 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
I find your comment reeking of ignorance. Honestly. Stupid ignorance. Which of these three scholars make takfir? Imran Hosein? Hamza Yusuf? or Your fake milk shake?

Yep - your troll shaikh Akari.

Did the scholars ever disagree on matters? did the sahabi ra? Yes. Was it ever a cause for making takfir? NO.

You, are ignorant and don't know what you are talking about.

I'd advise you to stay quiet and do some reading, but ignorance will keep you arguing like your fake fool of a shaikh.



Oh yeah, he's a coward as well.

Scimi
lol not only are you defending sufi speakers but now your quoting this webb clown?

when you're done foaming at the mouth with your insulting ill manners, have a look at the clowns you blindly follow and defend.

https://muslimmodernists.wordpress.c...ld-be-avoided/
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aaj
02-05-2017, 12:13 AM
Originally Posted by azc
brainwashed like you can't see the the reality........ Grow up ! Leave the hatred shopping.
brainwashed ?

sure, go worship fazail amal all you like. I"m not interested in winning battles.


They claim to be allah (astaghfirullah), Zakaria Kandalvi writes:

Yaa Allah, maaf farmana ki hazrat ke irshaad se tahreer hua hai, jhoota hun kuch nahin hun, tera hi zil hai, tera hi wajood hai,
mein kya hun kuch nahin hun (what am i? i'm nothing)
aur woh jo mein hoon woh tu hai (and what i am so are you[Allah])
aur mein aur tu khud shirk der shirk hai (and me and you are shirk upon shirk)
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Sadaqat, Part 2, Fasl 6, Explanation of Hadees 10, Page 407)


Insult of Kaba in Fazail e Amaal:

"And it has been reported from certain buzurgs that some people live in Khurasaan but are close to the ones who perform the Tawaaf. And yet there are some to whom the Ka'bah itself goes to visit them"
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Hajj, False 6, Explanation of Hadees 10, Page 88)


Insult of Hazrat Muhammad (sas) in Fazail e Amaal:

They listen Hadith from Allaah, no need of Hazrat Muhammad (sas), no need Jibrail (as) (astaghfirullah).
"I once visited the mosque of the Prophet. I saw Imaam Abdur Razzaq Muhaddith and he was teaching ahadith. The crowd and I listened to the ahadith from him. In one corner of the masjid there was a youngster sitting who had kept his head between his knees away from the crowd. I said, Do you not see that ahadith of the Prophet are being taught? Why don't you also attend the circle? He neither lifted his head nor did he look at me and said, "In that place are those who listen to ahadith from the slave of Razzaq and here are those who listen to ahadith from the Razzaq!..."
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Hajj, Fasl 9 - Aadaab e Ziyaarat, Story 9, Page 128-129)


Insult of Sahabah(ra) in Fazail e Amaal:

"After that he made a dua, "O Allaah! With sacrificing the Udhiyah your nearness is achieved. I do not have anything except my life. I present it in your domain. Please accept it." After that, he uttered a scream and died. Then came a voice from the ghaib saying, "He is the friend of Allaah." Malik said that the whole night I was thinking about him. I then saw him in my dream. I asked him "How were you judged?" He said, "Like the martyrs of Badr, and even better." I asked, "How?" He replied, "They were martyred by the swords of the Kuffar and I by the sword of the love for Maula."
(Fazail e Amaal, Part 2, Fazail e Hajj, Fasl 10 Madinah Tayyibah ke Fazail, Story 4, Page 174-175)


Fazail-e-Amaal ki Haqeeqat (Reality of Fazail-e-Amaal)
Lecture by Sheikh Touseef Ur Rahma
http://www.syedtauseef.com/upload/bo...at_English.pdf
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Shamnadanu
02-05-2017, 02:38 AM
Brother i am not a fool.I know how to play with ordinary people.


Read those titles written in Dark colour

It is you written creatively those titles or your Alims...Most importantly that will only spoil your...
Alims misguide ordinary people think whatever good people do is wrong..


Look you cannot be a fool and still have eeman...You need to get critical thinking.

Alims make mistakes.if i point their mistakes and start a debate on them.

A lawyer in a court whatever his case..whether on the good or bad side try to win the case...with all allegations and lies if necessary


Criticising id good...if Alims do not criticize...there will be no Hikmat for people...if people didn't made the daees paining...there will not be a rise in eeman....similar is the case
I totally agree you...there are shortcomings or anything else have no knowledge

I dont know if this hadiths in this meaning...intentions or real meanings of this should be seen by good eyes...if you let yourself shaytan thoughts inside...you will doubt Allah....

look a believer is not the one..who were manufactured in islam university..i always say eeman should flow


can i ask you...if you are 100%_ perfect ....then how many salah you got that divine feel...tearing of eyes


Allah look at our hearts...so i see most people see talk for hatred ...for diversion...
In my locality too ...people dont attent any of salah still complaining of TJ...

Only people with realisation can conwuer eeman

eg:you marry a beautiful wife ...still you can have trouble

you are rich and you dont have peace

whatever you do instead you instead of complaining ..take effort dua yourself....
don't propagate hatred
just do dawah you self...invite people to Allah...i hope you got that much eeman from yoir sheikh or eeman...then why not do it...


Don't limit your life...there is several thing to see.The more you travel the more you see
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azc
02-05-2017, 03:13 AM
@aaj : See first incident you quoted from fazaile amal is also written in sh ibn al qayyim's book. Now, will you or your scholars issue any fatwa of kufr or shirk on sh ibn al qayyim..?......... Sh Ibn al-Qayyim states in Madarij al-Salikin (vol. 1, p.154)......... ''At times, a spiritual state such as this is called intoxication (sukr), annihilation (istilam), obliteration (muhw) and being in the state of union (jam‘a). They sometimes differentiate between the meanings of these terms and, at times, the prevalent meaning is the seeing of the heart its Beloved and the One it is remembering until he (salik) disappears into Him (God) and becomes annihilated in Him (God) and thinks he is in union with Him (god) and that he (salik) has joined Him (God), rather he thinks he (salik) is He (God).
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azc
02-05-2017, 03:19 AM
Stop worshipping your scholars and be a good Muslim. All the stories of pious people in Fazaile amal were taken from older books of scholars like Allama Suyuti ra. See the list of the books mentioned on the first pages of printed fazaile amal.. https://ulamaehaqulamaedeoband.wordp...leeghi-jamaat/
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azc
02-05-2017, 03:58 AM
No group of this ummah is perfect and tj isn't an exception. They are also not perfect. I like their efforts concerning unity of ummah
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