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ardianto
In the ears of non-Arab some Arabic words sound similar, but actually have different meaning. I know that you mean with "begairat" in Kurdish is "passionless", since the word passion in Indonesian language, that derived from Arabic, is "gairah".
But "bay ghairat" (ghairat-less) in Urdu that OP means derived from another Arabic word and has different meaning. It does refer to "not ashamed with his/her own condition". In example, a man haven't had a job, haven't had income, but dare to propose marriage to a woman.
Jazakallahu khairan, for the explanation, but sometimes i do wonder where some words originate as i have looked in to the history of the Kurds many words we do not use anymore, while 100 years ago, still were being used. Many times you hear people (non-Kurds) claim things like Kurds being nomads originating from Eastern Asia, however looking in to the history of the Kurds, it is difficult to pinpoint them based on western findings. However, language is hard to manipulate and thus wipe out the history of a people.
The findings in historical Mesopotamia, would fall in the present day lands where Kurds currently live. Eastern Turkey, North Eastern part of modern day Syria, modern day Iraq and North western part of the modern day Iran. The old statues depict the same facial characteristics and hairstyle as some part of the Kurds, as Kurds in general originate from different tribes. However looking at old language similarities can be found.
There is a story called "Epic of Gilgamesh" originating to at least 2100 BC (4.000 years ago).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh
In Kurdish language (although we have many dialects and because of that many words for the same thing or specific words for some detailed things), we call a bull "ga". A African Buffalo we call "gamesh". As you can see similarities of the word "gilgamesh" (Epic of gilgamesh). So knowing this, still cannot give you a definitive answer.
However in the Qur'an, Prophet Nuh (as) made a dua to let the boat rest on a blessed place. In the Qur'an Allah(swt) says this..
And it was said, "O earth, swallow your water, and O sky, withhold [your rain]." And the water subsided, and the matter was accomplished, and the ship came to rest on the
[mountain of] Judiyy. And it was said, "Away with the wrongdoing people"
Mount Judi is in the HEART of the modern day Kurdish lands or historical Mesopotamia. Maybe you know if there were OTHER people living on the world when Allah(swt) raised water levels or were Prophet Nuh(as) and his small followers the only people still living on earth? If the case is that Prophet Nuh(as) and his followers were the ONLY human beings on this earth, one could conclude that humanity once again rose from that place. Modern day historical facts, have branded Mesopotamia as "cradle of civilization". If we assume right that humanity once again flourished, then one could say it was from the historical Mesopotamia and thus also language coming from there.
Even Prophet Ibrahim(as) is being said that his place of origin was modern day Iraq or modern day Eastern Turkey ..thus AGAIN being historical Mesopotamia. I do know that Kurds by "origin" ..looking at Yazidi's for example as they are also Kurds, worship elements.
As i am a Kurd myself when visiting there, i feel a very strange calming feeling when i am within the range of modern day Kurdish lands/historical Mesopotamia. Allah(swt) knows best if this also is included as part of the blessed land that Prophet Nuh(as) made dua for.
So why do i say all of this? When you know the origin of a word, you can better understand certain word. For example another word is "Tanur". A new word is majority of times a combination of multiple existing words to make a new word. A "tanur" is a clayoven in Kurdish. This word goes as far to as to ("Tandoori" Chicken). But what does "Tanur" mean as i have said a new word is a combination of multiple words. "Tani" means "ash" in Kurdish and "ur" means belly/stomach in that sense. If you look at the old clay-ovens it was a sort of a hole in the ground within on the bottom coals/wood being burned. On internal sides of the oven even to this day we make bread like that (thinking about it right now..makes me hungry XD)
It is possible that many people that migrated from historical Mesopotamia went to modern day Arabia and kept their language because of the isolation. When you are isolated, you tend to stick with what you know and thus less influence from outside. While modern day Kurdish for larger part has being influenced by other languages. As i am trying to learn Arabic i am amazed how rich Arabic language is.
BTW, we in Kurdish also use "be" as something without. If you know something that rejects my conclusion or confirms my conclusion please do let me know. I'd love to know it.