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TDWT
02-06-2017, 08:21 PM
, I just had a small question on tafsir. Regarding these two narrations about an ayat for example, I read this:


وقال آخرون: بل شبهن بالبيض الذي يحضنه الطائر، فهو إلى الصفرة، فشبه بياضهن في الصفرة بذلك. * ذكر من قال ذلك: حدثني يونس، قال: أخبرنا ابن وهب، قال: قال ابن زيد، في قوله ( كَأَنَّهُنَّ بَيْضٌ مَكْنُونٌ ) قال: البيض الذي يكنه الريش، مثل بيض النعام الذي قد أكنه الريش من الريح، فهو أبيض إلى الصفرة فكأنه يبرق، فذلك المكنون. وقال آخرون: بل عنى بالبيض في هذا الموضع: اللؤلؤ، وبه شبهن في بياضه وصفائه.
and here, narrated by the same person who mentioned what this person also said:
حدثني يونس قال : أخبرنا ابن وهب قال : قال ابن زيد في قوله : ( كأنهن الياقوت والمرجان ) قال : كأنهن الياقوت في الصفاء ، والمرجان في البياض . الصفاء : صفاء الياقوتة ، والبياض : بياض اللؤلؤ .

Now notice that these two are narrated by the same person who mentions what this person said. I asked a.k hoosen and he said a persons interpretation can change from time to time. However, I didn't give him the full context as shown here, so I was asking in regards to tafsir seeing as you've studied a lot, when do you know if someones opinion has changed if there is a way to tell or something. I don't think ibn zayd changed his opinion but I dunno.





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talibilm
02-06-2017, 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by TDWT
, I just had a small question on tafsir. Regarding these two narrations about an ayat for example, I read this:


وقال آخرون: بل شبهن بالبيض الذي يحضنه الطائر، فهو إلى الصفرة، فشبه بياضهن في الصفرة بذلك. * ذكر من قال ذلك: حدثني يونس، قال: أخبرنا ابن وهب، قال: قال ابن زيد، في قوله ( كَأَنَّهُنَّ بَيْضٌ مَكْنُونٌ ) قال: البيض الذي يكنه الريش، مثل بيض النعام الذي قد أكنه الريش من الريح، فهو أبيض إلى الصفرة فكأنه يبرق، فذلك المكنون. وقال آخرون: بل عنى بالبيض في هذا الموضع: اللؤلؤ، وبه شبهن في بياضه وصفائه.
and here, narrated by the same person who mentioned what this person also said:
حدثني يونس قال : أخبرنا ابن وهب قال : قال ابن زيد في قوله : ( كأنهن الياقوت والمرجان ) قال : كأنهن الياقوت في الصفاء ، والمرجان في البياض . الصفاء : صفاء الياقوتة ، والبياض : بياض اللؤلؤ .

Now notice that these two are narrated by the same person who mentions what this person said. I asked a.k hoosen and he said a persons interpretation can change from time to time. However, I didn't give him the full context as shown here, so I was asking in regards to tafsir seeing as you've studied a lot, when do you know if someones opinion has changed if there is a way to tell or something. I don't think ibn zayd changed his opinion but I dunno.





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It will be better if you quote verses numbers of the said verses. Though I do not understand arabic (can read ) but still we may inshallah try it.

Opinions can change as per the receipt of knowledge or an abrogation proof from sahih hadith.
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TDWT
02-06-2017, 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by talibilm
:sl:

It will be better if you quote verses numbers of the said verses. Though I do not understand arabic (can read ) but still we may inshallah try it.

Opinions can change as per the receipt of knowledge or an abrogation proof from sahih hadith.
The verses are quran 37:49 and quran 55:58 in order. I have noticed that many scholars of have this opinion.
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talibilm
02-07-2017, 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by TDWT
The verses are quran 37:49 and quran 55:58 in order. I have noticed that many scholars of have this opinion.

I wish somebody more knowledgeable also having mastery in Arabic deal with this but I normally avoid to go into deep in minute details of the description of hoor (women of jannah) since there remains a LOT OF PONDERING to be done on other verses of most Importance where ALLAH swt REALLY wants us to ponder. Since I have dealt here a little let me try this just using this

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.j...er=37&verse=49

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.j...er=55&verse=58


They ought to differ because they are speaking clear cut about different characteristics of the houris . Sura 37 :49 speaks about their being guarded ( the prestige) inside and outside of an Egg. internally by layers externally by its parent . Anything more guarded enhances its importance and beauty as well and also shows the spouse of jannati will be protected and kept ONLY FOR HIM (the rightful owner)

Sura 55:49 speaks specifically about their beauty , may be those times rubies & corals were well known for the beauty

Tafsir ibn abbas also infers about these two different descriptions .

Allah knows the best.
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