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Reminder
02-14-2017, 05:57 AM
Please share your understanding of Noah's Ark from the Islamic perspective.
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Simple_Person
02-14-2017, 06:50 AM
As an interpretation or just whatever comes to the mind?
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Reminder
02-14-2017, 07:18 AM
Originally Posted by Simple_Person
As an interpretation or just whatever comes to the mind?
Growing up, I was told the Christian version that the whole world was flooded. However, this did not make sense to me. Well, apparently the Islamic perspective is that the whole Earth wasn't flooded. This does makes sense.

Noah (pbuh) saved 1 male and female of every animal in the area (i.e. cow, cat, chicken, dog, sheep, pig, etc.). Some people think he gathered 2 of every single creature on the planet... it is not like this.
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Simple_Person
02-14-2017, 07:22 AM
Originally Posted by Reminder
Growing up, I was told the Christian version that the whole world was flooded. However, this did not make sense to me. Well, apparently the Islamic perspective is that the whole Earth wasn't flooded. This does makes sense.

Noah (pbuh) saved 1 male and female of every animal in the area (i.e. cow, cat, chicken, dog, sheep, pig, etc.). Some people think he gathered 2 of every single creature on the planet... it is not like this.
OOh oke, well i'll leave that to some other brother or sister, as i know for sure some might know more about this than me. Better stay quite and don't say something false, then act arrogant as if i know something that later on is revealed as being false.
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azc
02-14-2017, 08:17 AM
Compared to the flood accounts contained in Jewish scriptures, and indeed the various cultural beliefs of other peoples, the Qur'anic account, which was revealed by Allah and is the only divine text to have remained uncorrupted, stands as the most reliable of all these accounts. The Torah, a corrupted text, says that this flood was universal and covered the whole world. On the contrary, it appears from the relevant verses that the flood was a regional one and punished not the whole world but only the tribe that rejected the Prophet Nuh (as). Those who were destroyed in it were the people who rejected the message of the Prophet Nuh (as) and persisted in their denial. There is no indication in the Qur'an that the flood was universal......http://www.harunyahya.com/en/Miracle...620/nuhs-flood
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aaj
02-14-2017, 04:20 PM
In connection with this great incident one is also faced with the question of whether the Flood was universal or whether it was limited to the area inhabited by the people of Noah. This question remains unanswered to this day. Under the influence of Israelite traditions, it is believed that it was a universal Flood (Genesis 7: 18-24). The Qur'an, however, does not explicitly say so. There are several allusions in the Qur'an which indicate that subsequent generations of mankind are the descendants of those who were saved from the Flood. But that does not necessarily mean that the Flood covered the whole world. For, it is quite plausible that at that point in history the human population was confined only to the area which was overtaken by the Flood, and that those born after the Flood gradually dispersed to other parts of the world. This view is supported by two things. Firstly, ancient historical traditions, archaeological discoveries and geological data provide evidence that a great flood took place at some period in the distant past in the Tigris-Euphrates region. There is no such evidence for a universal flood. Secondly, traditions about a great flood have been popular among all communities of the world down the ages. Such traditions are found even in the folklore of such distant regions as Australia, America and New Guinea. One may thus conclude that at some time in the past the ancestors of all these communities lived together in some region which was overtaken by the Flood. Since presumably their descendants subsequently dispersed to, and settled down in, different parts of the world, they transmitted and preserved the traditions of this great Flood.


(For details see 'Towards Understanding the Quran, vol. III, al-Araf 7, n. 47, pp.37-8.) {End Note 46}

For relevant verses, see Surahs Hud and Al-Qamar in the Holy Quran.

From <http://www.islam101.com/archeology/noah_ark.html>
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Abz2000
06-01-2017, 09:33 PM
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Chapter Name:Hud Verse No:44




وَقِيلَ يَا أَرْضُ ابْلَعِي مَاءكِ وَيَا سَمَاء أَقْلِعِي وَغِيضَ الْمَاء وَقُضِيَ الأَمْرُ وَاسْتَوَتْ عَلَى الْجُودِيِّ وَقِيلَ بُعْداً لِّلْقَوْمِ الظَّالِمِينَ {44-
011:044 Khan-
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And it was said: "O earth! Swallow up your water, and O sky! Withhold (your rain)." And the water was diminished (made to subside) and the Decree (of Allah) was fulfilled (i.e. the destruction of the people of Nuh (Noah). And it (the ship) rested on Mount Judi, and it was said: "Away with the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doing)!"
011:044 Maulana-
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And it was said: O earth, swallow thy water, and O cloud, clear away. And the water was made to abate, and the affair was decided, and it rested on the Judi, and it was said: Away with the iniquitous people!
011:044 Pickthal-
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And it was said: O earth! Swallow thy water and, O sky! be cleared of clouds! And the water was made to subside. And the commandment was fulfilled. And it (the ship) came to rest upon (the mount) Al-Judi and it was said: A far removal for wrongdoing folk!
011:044 Rashad-
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It was proclaimed: "O earth, swallow your water," and "O sky, cease." The water then subsided; the judgment was fulfilled. The ark finally rested on the hills of Judea. It was then proclaimed: "The transgressors have perished."
011:044 Sarwar-
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Then the earth was told to swallow-up its water and the sky was ordered to stop raining. The water abated and God's command had been fulfilled. The Ark came to rest on Mount Judi. A voice said, "The unjust people are far away from the mercy of God."
011:044 Shakir-
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And it was said: O earth, swallow down your water, and O cloud, clear away; and the water was made to abate and the affair was decided, and the ark rested on the Judi, and it was said: Away with the unjust people.
011:044 Sherali-
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And it was said, 'O earth, swallow thy water, and O sky, cease raining.' And the water was made to subside and the matter was decided. And the Ark came to rest on Al-Judi. And it was said, 'Cursed be the wrongdoing people.'
011:044 Yusufali-
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Then the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"

Noah's (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, his true family and followers) ark appears to have been found on mount chudi in the Ararat mountainous region, or - at least an ark appearing to fit the Biblical description on the exact mountain which the Quran appears to describe {when taking into account the fact that Zaid ibn ath-Thaabit would have to write Judi in the Arabic language even if it was revealed as chudi, and pronounced as chudi by the Prophet pbuh) that it landed on - resting an altitude of 2,300 metres above sea level - that's that's about 767 storeys high in terms of the normal 3 metre (10ft) high building floors we commonly use today. Now Ask yourselves how a ship so large managed To Get so high up on a mountain so long ago - and why the world's governments who have the public resources in their hands aren't working to preserve it since Allah has allowed it to surface after so many thousands of years - this is in the public interest and this generation is responsible.
Yet We are given stories like "ïsis" is destroying artefacts and cultural history when We Are fully aware that it is America's secularist government that has been repeatedly found destroying libraries with ancient manuscripts that are unique and uncopied, setting up proxies and getting them to take the blame for highly questionable crimes, and is erasing the Islamic history of the region While We look on bewildered and confused.



(Detailed video below including research and description)

Mount Ararat or Mount Judi?

Where did Noah’s Ark land? The Bible says: “the mountains of Ararat” …. The Qur’an says: “the heights”. Which one? Are they the same place or are they different? Is the Ark at both of these locations? I have received several letters from concerned Christians and Muslims. I tried to look at this objectively and found some interesting things.

Mount Ararat seems to be the easier mountain to find, possibly from the large amount of information about Mount Ararat and all the “famous” searches at that location.

Mount Judi seemed to be a little harder to find. However, through the help of personal and Web friends, I believe I have found some information which is accurate and revealing!

Mount Ararat

Mount Ararat Known in Turkey as “Agri Dagh”, Mount Ararat represents the Bible’s location for Noah’s Ark. To be specific and clear, the bible says the following:

Genesis 8:4 “Then the ark rested … on the mountains of Ararat.” (NKJV)

Note that the bible does not specifically say, Mount Ararat. However, this being the highest place in the mountains of Ararat lends itself to become the biblical location and thus the area of intense Ark searches by many Christians.

Mount Judi

Known in Turkey as “Cudi Dagh”, Mount Judi represents the Qur’an’s location for Noah’s Ark. First and foremost, be careful when discussing the location of Mount Judi! There is truly a lot of confusion over its location. What I mean is this:

1) The actual Mount Judi is 200 miles south of Mount Ararat in southern Turkey.
2) Mount Judi has been mistaken for Mount Ararat and vice versa.

Actual Mount Judi

Arabic

The following is taken from the article by Bill Crouse in Archaeology and Biblical Research,Noah’s Ark: Its Final Berth Vol. 5, No. 3. Summer, 1992.

Map Cudi Dagh is located approximately 200 miles south of Mt. Ararat in southern Turkey almost within eyesight of the Syrian and Iraqi borders.11 The Tigris River flows at its base. The exact co-ordinates are 37 degrees, 21 minutes N., and 42 degrees, 17 minutes E. In literature it has also been called “Mt Judi”, “Mt. Cardu”, “Mt. Quardu”, “the Gordyene mountains”, “Gordian mountains”, “The Karduchian mountains”, “the mountains of the Kurds”, and to the Assyrians: “Mt. Nipur “(see photo #1) . It is also important to note that at times this mountain has even been called “Mt. Ararat”. At about 7000 feet altitude it is not a terribly high mountain, though it is snow-capped most of the year. The current edition of the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ISLAM lists it as “over 13,000 feet and largely unexplored.” We are unsure of the exact altitude, but it seems strange that it would not be noted on our modern aerial navigation map if it were 13,000 feet!

Most modern maps do not show the location of Cudi Dagh. It is, however, located about 25 miles from the Tigris River (see map), just east of the present Turkish city of Gizre and still within the bounds of the Biblical region of Ararat (Urartu).12

Cudi Dagh overlooks the all-important Mesopotamian plain and is notable for its many archaeological ruins in and around the mountain. There are also many references to it in ancient history.13 Sennacherib (700 B.C.), the Assyrian king, carved rock reliefs of himself on the side of the mountain (see photo #2).14 The Nestorians (a sect of Christianity) built several monasteries around the mountain including one on the summit called “The Cloister of the Ark”. It was destroyed by lightning in 766 A.D.15 The Muslims later built a mosque on the site. In 1910, Gertrude Bell explored the area and found a stone structure still at the summit with the shape of a ship (see photo #3) called by the locals “Sefinet Nebi Nuh” “The Ship of Prophet Noah”. Bell also reports that annually on September 14, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sabians and Yezidis gather on the mountain to commemorate Noah’s sacrifice.16
As late as 1949 two Turkish journalists claimed to have seen the Ark on this mountain, a ship 500 feet in length!

Questionable Mount Judi

For clarity I add this sensational article from the London Observer:

The Observer (London)
16 Jan 1994
‘Arkologists’ claim to have found Noah’s Ark
By Martin Wroe

LONDON — Noah’s Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian border, 32 kilometres from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists that has been investigating the site for six years.

The Turkish government is so convinced by the findings that, after years of intransigence, it has designated the site one of special archaeological interest and agreed to its excavation next summer.

Buried Ark The remote site contains a buried, ship-like object, resting an altitude of 2,300 metres.

At 170 metres long and 45 metres wide, it conforms almost exactly to the 300 cubit by 50 cubit boat that God told Noah to build, according to Genesis 6 in the Bible.

On surrounding terrain, the American and Middle Eastern scientists have identified huge stones with holes carved at one end, which they believe are “drogue-stones,” dragged behind ships in the ancient world to stabilize them. Radar soundings indicate unusual levels of iron-oxide distribution.

Salih Bayraktutan, head of geology at Turkey’s Ataturk University, estimates the age of the ‘vessel’ at more than 100,000 years.

“It is a man-made structure and for sure it is Noah’s Ark.”

The site is directly below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Qur’an as the Ark’s resting place.

Map

David Fasold, an American shipwreck specialist with no religious affiliation, has led the investigation. He says subsurface radar surveys of the site have produced “very good pictures.”

“The radar imagery at about 25 metres down from the stern is so clear that you can count the floorboards between the walls.”

He believes the team has found the fossilized remains of the upper deck and that the original reed substructure has disappeared.

But the findings have infuriated the scores of Christian Ark-hunters who travel to Turkey, convinced the Ark will only be found on Mount Ararat.

Fasold, who calls himself an “Arkologist,” also argues that it was not a great flood that pushed the Ark into the mountains. He says it was “an astronomical event causing a tectonic upheaval, a tidal bore causing gravitational pull in the ocean waters that forced the boat into the mountains.”

Some of Fasold’s team of geophysicists and geologists are reserving final judgement until the excavation and carbon-dating.

But in a British TV series on the environment next month, team member Vendyl Jones, a Middle East archeologist and inspiration for film character Indiana Jones, says it is “between maybe and probably” that they have found Noah’s Ark.

As you see in the drawing, the “buried ship” or the item discussed above is located south of Mount Ararat by 20 miles.

Additionally, as indicated by the drawing, Mount Judi is locate 30 miles south of Lake Van which is 200 miles south of Mount Ararat.


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Ararat-Judi Reconciliation

Even with the above information, could Mount Ararat and Mount Judi be the same location? Bear with me and let’s see…..

Taken from Charles Berlitz, The Lost Ship of Noah, we find the following:

Mount Judi, Spelled Cudi-Dagh in Turkish means “highest” or “the heights” in Arabic and for this reason a number of people in Eastern Turkey, including some Islamic scholars, think Al Judi refers to Ararat. But Cudi-Dagh is actually located south of Lake Van, rising to a height of 7700 feet. The local tribesmen there maintain that the Ark drifted to a high point in the Cudi mountain chain and that the remains of it are still on the top of Cudi-Dagh, the highest mountain in the area. ….

There is a mountain named Judi. There is a mountain named Ararat. They are both located within the bounds of the Biblical region of Ararat (Urartu). It is very possible that both the Bible and the Qur’an speak in unison on this issue. Could it be that both Mount Ararat and Mount Judi are the same location? As you can see, some of today’s authors use the two words and locations interchangeably regarding the location of the Ark.

In peace, I submit to you that the Qur’an location of “the heights” and the Bible location of the “mountains of Ararat” are the same location even though there are two different mountains named as such. The location that is currently studied and the highest location in the Ararat region is Mount Ararat. It is this mountain that can be identified by both holy books as the mountain that Prophet Noah’s Ark rested. As always, I humbly say, inshaa Allah (let it be according to God’s will).


http://www.arksearch.com/ararat-or-judi/

There Are a lot of decoy videos and obvious red herring "research projects" available on the net - but here is one that appears authentic:



If That link doesn't work, try this:




I'll link the other more detailed research vid soon inshaAllah.
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Abz2000
06-01-2017, 10:27 PM
Here's researcher Wyatt's own documentary - a little longer and maybe less condensed - but more detailed:



and here's a very condensed 20 minute piece:

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Abz2000
06-01-2017, 11:01 PM
And here is a document which appears to record some of the oldest references of historians, archeologists, and geographers.
it does appear to spend a lot of time trying to score points and sometimes begrudgingly mention the Islamic sources negatively - however does come clean and go through the sources and statements Of Scholars and historians of varied backgrounds.

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/publ...ns/BAS19_4.pdf
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jaybird
06-25-2017, 05:02 PM
i think its interesting that every ancient culture from all over the world has a flood story
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Abz2000
06-26-2017, 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by jaybird
i think its interesting that every ancient culture from all over the world has a flood story
It is interesting indeed how they usually ended when they commited habitual injustice and fell from grace.

What is more interesting about this one however is that it has a detailed and intruguing story and description in what are claimed to be divinely reavealed scriptures, one providing dimensions and regional location, and another providing exact pinpointed location, and the fact that such a huge ancient ship matching dimensions and pinpointed location ended up being discovered in the age of global broadcast - and as stated earlier - at an altitude of 2,300 metres above sea level - about 754 storeys high in terms of the normal 3.05 metre (10ft) high building floors we commonly use today - that's around 7 times the height of the new york twin towers - interesting how a ship that size managed to reach that height, and if one accepts the statement that the waters abated before the ship rested - how high a flood it must have been.

I mean, we normally think it's all over and start sending in relief and evacuation teams when the water get's knee (1.5ft) high.

Knowing what I know, if God tells me to jump, I'll ask "how high?" Instead of arguing.



Surah 54. The Moon

1. The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has split.

2. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) continuous magic."

3. They reject (the warning) and follow their (own) lusts but every matter has its appointed time.

4. There have already come to them Recitals wherein there is (enough) to check (them),

5. Mature wisdom;- but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.

6. Therefore, (O Prophet,) turn away from them. The Day that the Caller will call (them) to a terrible affair,

7. They will come forth,- their eyes humbled - from (their) graves, (torpid) like locusts scattered abroad,

8. Hastening, with eyes transfixed, towards the Caller!- "Hard is this Day!", the Unbelievers will say.

9. Before them the People of Noah rejected (their prophet) : they rejected Our servant, and said, "Here is one possessed!", and he was driven out.

10. Then he called on his Lord: "I am one overcome: do Thou then help (me)!"

11. So We opened the gates of heaven, with water pouring forth.

12. And We caused the earth to gush forth with springs, so the waters met (and rose) to the extent decreed.

13. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of broad planks and caulked with palm- fibre:

14. She floats under our eyes (and care): a recompense to one who had been rejected (with scorn)!

15. And We have left this as a Sign (for all time): then is there any that will receive admonition?

16. But how (terrible) was My Penalty and My Warning?

17. And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any of those that remember?
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