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TDWT
02-22-2017, 01:16 AM
I sent a question like two weeks ago and haven't got a response. How long does it take them for answer?
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Mustafa16
02-22-2017, 02:11 AM
I think it takes a few weeks....but I would recommend against it, as they are extremist....
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azc
02-22-2017, 04:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
I sent a question like two weeks ago and haven't got a response. How long does it take them for answer?
it's a busy site, bro......
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azc
02-22-2017, 04:52 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
I think it takes a few weeks....but I would recommend against it, as they are extremist....
in some issues it's. It represents salafi sect
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talibilm
02-22-2017, 08:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
in some issues it's. It represents salafi sect
:sl:

What is Salafi SECT ? ;D Bro.

And How was the Name of the Salaf derived from ?
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-22-2017, 09:08 AM
They get hundreds (possibly thousands) of questions in a single week, from all different languages around the world, and then the many teams of translators have to translate all of those (possibly thousands of) questions into Arabic, and then translate his reply back into the language of each person who had sent the question, so you need to be patient.
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-22-2017, 09:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
I think it takes a few weeks....but I would recommend against it, as they are extremist....
Define extremist and "extreme".
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azc
02-22-2017, 11:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by talibilm
:sl:What is Salafi SECT ? ;D Bro.And How was the Name of the Salaf derived from ?
better if you discuss this issue on ummah. I'll speak there InshaAllah. On IB posts will be deleted.
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TDWT
02-23-2017, 12:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Define extremist and "extreme".
Well, they think women can't drive, men are superior and better to women and they have antisemitic tendencies actually.
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-23-2017, 11:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
Well, they think women can't drive, men are superior and better to women and they have antisemitic tendencies actually.
1) Their Fatwaa in that regard is based on a number of things, including women travelling around without a Mahram. It is not "extremism".

2) They say in that regard only what the Qur'aan says:

وَالْمُطَلَّقَاتُ يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنْفُسِهِنَّ ثَلَاثَةَ قُرُوءٍ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَهُنَّ أَنْ يَكْتُمْنَ مَا خَلَقَ اللَّهُ فِي أَرْحَامِهِنَّ إِنْ كُنَّ يُؤْمِنَّ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَبُعُولَتُهُنَّ أَحَقُّ بِرَدِّهِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ إِنْ أَرَادُوا إِصْلَاحًا وَلَهُنَّ مِثْلُ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيْهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

{"And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allaah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allaah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise."} [Soorah al-Baqarah, 2:228]

If you read the Tafseer of this Aayah in the Tafseer of Imaam as-Suyooti, Jalaalain, he writes:

فَضِيلَة فِي الْحَقّ مِنْ وُجُوب طَاعَتهنَّ لَهُمْ لِمَا سَاقُوهُ مِنْ الْمَهْر وَالْإِنْفَاق

"(The men) have a virtue over them (i.e. the women), and thus it is obligatory for them (the wives) to obey them (the husbands) because of what they give to them of Mahr and spending upon them."

الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنْفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ فَالصَّالِحَاتُ قَانِتَاتٌ حَافِظَاتٌ لِلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ وَاللَّاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا

{"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allaah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allaah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great."}

Again, if you check Tafseer Jalaalain regarding this Aayah, he writes:

{الرِّجَال قَوَّامُونَ} مُسَلَّطُونَ {عَلَى النِّسَاء} يُؤَدِّبُونَهُنَّ وَيَأْخُذُونَ عَلَى أَيْدِيهنَّ {بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّه بَعْضهمْ عَلَى بَعْض} أَيْ بِتَفْضِيلِهِ لَهُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ بِالْعِلْمِ وَالْعَقْل وَالْوِلَايَة وَغَيْر ذَلِكَ

"The men are the Qawwaamoon" those put in charge "over the women" they discipline them and take their hands "because of the virtue Allaah has given some of them (i.e. the men) over the other (the women)" meaning, the virtue the men have over women in terms of `Ilm, `Aql (intellect), al-Wilaayah (guardianship, and will also include leadership, being an Imaam, being a Khaleefah; all of this applied only to the men. A woman cannot become an Imaam or a Khaleefah. Also, Nubuwwah (being a Nabi) was only granted to the men. There were never any female "prophets" or messengers.) and other than that.

The text in red above is the explanation of Imaam as-Suyooti in Tafseer Jalaalain.

So again, it's not something al-Muanajjid (or Salafis) have invented, they are just saying what the Qur'aan says, and not what you have accused them of saying.

3) Again, they only say about the Jews what the Qur'aan and the Sunnah say about the Jews. I would ask you to bring me something they've said about the Jews which isn't mentioned in the Qur'aan or in the Ahaadeeth. Once you do this, we'll take it from there.

Was-Salaam.
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Soulfire
02-23-2017, 11:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
I sent a question like two weeks ago and haven't got a response. How long does it take them for answer?
Perhaps your question has already been answered, try google searching [your question] then type islamqa

More than likely your question has been asked by someone.

If not, patience bro, patience!
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TDWT
02-23-2017, 02:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
1) Their Fatwaa in that regard is based on a number of things, including women travelling around without a Mahram. It is not "extremism".

2) They say in that regard only what the Qur'aan says:

وَالْمُطَلَّقَاتُ يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنْفُسِهِنَّ ثَلَاثَةَ قُرُوءٍ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَهُنَّ أَنْ يَكْتُمْنَ مَا خَلَقَ اللَّهُ فِي أَرْحَامِهِنَّ إِنْ كُنَّ يُؤْمِنَّ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَبُعُولَتُهُنَّ أَحَقُّ بِرَدِّهِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ إِنْ أَرَادُوا إِصْلَاحًا وَلَهُنَّ مِثْلُ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيْهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

{"And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allaah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allaah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise."} [Soorah al-Baqarah, 2:228]

If you read the Tafseer of this Aayah in the Tafseer of Imaam as-Suyooti, Jalaalain, he writes:

فَضِيلَة فِي الْحَقّ مِنْ وُجُوب طَاعَتهنَّ لَهُمْ لِمَا سَاقُوهُ مِنْ الْمَهْر وَالْإِنْفَاق

"(The men) have a virtue over them (i.e. the women), and thus it is obligatory for them (the wives) to obey them (the husbands) because of what they give to them of Mahr and spending upon them."

الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنْفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ فَالصَّالِحَاتُ قَانِتَاتٌ حَافِظَاتٌ لِلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ وَاللَّاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا

{"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allaah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allaah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great."}

Again, if you check Tafseer Jalaalain regarding this Aayah, he writes:

{الرِّجَال قَوَّامُونَ} مُسَلَّطُونَ {عَلَى النِّسَاء} يُؤَدِّبُونَهُنَّ وَيَأْخُذُونَ عَلَى أَيْدِيهنَّ {بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّه بَعْضهمْ عَلَى بَعْض} أَيْ بِتَفْضِيلِهِ لَهُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ بِالْعِلْمِ وَالْعَقْل وَالْوِلَايَة وَغَيْر ذَلِكَ

"The men are the Qawwaamoon" those put in charge "over the women" they discipline them and take their hands "because of the virtue Allaah has given some of them (i.e. the men) over the other (the women)" meaning, the virtue the men have over women in terms of `Ilm, `Aql (intellect), al-Wilaayah (guardianship, and will also include leadership, being an Imaam, being a Khaleefah; all of this applied only to the men. A woman cannot become an Imaam or a Khaleefah. Also, Nubuwwah (being a Nabi) was only granted to the men. There were never any female "prophets" or messengers.) and other than that.

The text in red above is the explanation of Imaam as-Suyooti in Tafseer Jalaalain.

So again, it's not something al-Muanajjid (or Salafis) have invented, they are just saying what the Qur'aan says, and not what you have accused them of saying.

3) Again, they only say about the Jews what the Qur'aan and the Sunnah say about the Jews. I would ask you to bring me something they've said about the Jews which isn't mentioned in the Qur'aan or in the Ahaadeeth. Once you do this, we'll take it from there.

Was-Salaam.

They say that Jews are part of freemasonry: https://islamqa.info/en/34576

and that the holocaust can be denied;

In fact anyone who denies this Holocaust is treated as a criminal and put in prison, even though it is a historical matter that may be denied.

https://islamqa.info/en/98134

and he said this:

The Jews are among the enemies of (Islam). In fact, they are at the top of the list. The Jews today are the Jews of the past. This requires no proof. Allah made their traits clear to us, and the Prophet Muhammad clarified that our war with them will continue until the end of time when they will be led by the Anti-Christ. Allah said that 'the Jews are the strongest in enmity to the believers.' He said that the Jews 'strive to spread corruption in the land.' He said: 'They hasten into sin and aggression.' He said: 'Nor did they forbid one another the iniquities which they committed.'..These people believe that anyone who does not adhere to their religion is a filthy pig. This is written in their distorted Torah. Jews have the right to rape non-Jewish women. This is also written in their books


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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-23-2017, 02:52 PM
One thing to understand first and foremost:

There is being a "Jew", the race, and then being a "Jew", the religion. Most "Jews" (race) are Jews in religion as well. When the `Ulamaa criticise the "Jews", they are referring to the followers of Judaism.

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
They say that Jews are part of freemasonry: https://islamqa.info/en/34576
Do you deny that the Jews play a large role not only in Freemasonry, but the "Illuminati" as well?


format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
and that the holocaust can be denied;

In fact anyone who denies this Holocaust is treated as a criminal and put in prison, even though it is a historical matter that may be denied.

https://islamqa.info/en/98134
What he means is that it is a matter of history. There are historians and certain conspiracy theorists who believe that the holocaust did not take place. It is not a matter of Imaan or Kufr. If a person does deny that the holocaust took place, it does not affect his Imaan. It does not affect his Deen. It does not have an effect on whether he will go to Jannah or Jahannam. It does not make him a better Muslim or a worse Muslim.

He is saying that the Jews like to make everything about themselves; they have tortured the Palestinians for so long, in Palestine. The crimes committed by Israel is well-known. Yet, to divert the attention of people away from their own crimes they try to magnify the crimes of others. So now, if some people come along and say, "You know what, we don't accept that six million Jews really were killed." people shouldn't act as though the person has uttered Kufr. It's a "crime" for a person to deny that the holocaust took place, but what the Jews are doing to Muslims in Palestine is not a crime?

In fact, al-Munajjid is not saying that he denies the holocaust having taken place. He is trying to draw your attention towards the selfish nature that they have. Look how they will even throw a person in jail just for saying that maybe the holocaust did not take place, whereas there is no punishment for the crimes which they commit.

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
and he said this:

The Jews are among the enemies of (Islam). In fact, they are at the top of the list. The Jews today are the Jews of the past. This requires no proof. Allah made their traits clear to us, and the Prophet Muhammad clarified that our war with them will continue until the end of time when they will be led by the Anti-Christ. Allah said that 'the Jews are the strongest in enmity to the believers.' He said that the Jews 'strive to spread corruption in the land.' He said: 'They hasten into sin and aggression.' He said: 'Nor did they forbid one another the iniquities which they committed.'..These people believe that anyone who does not adhere to their religion is a filthy pig. This is written in their distorted Torah. Jews have the right to rape non-Jewish women. This is also written in their books
Again, he is speaking here about the Jews who follow Judaism, not the "race" of Jews. If a Jew is a Muslim, he is not speaking about such a person. That's not the intended meaning behind that quote. Those Aayaat and those Ahaadeeth are speaking about these Jews who follow Judaism. Those Jews who follow Judaism have always been at the forefront of attacking Islaam. They tried to kill Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم. In fact, not to forget: Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم was invited to eat at the house of a Jewish woman. He ate there, and she had poisoned the meat. Later, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم passed away from that. The Jews (followers of Judaism) had killed many of their Ambiyaa; this is something that the Qur'aan testifies to. The Jews mock swear Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام, and "Jesus" as the Christians say. They insult not only him, but the Ambiyaa in general. They insult Nabi Daawood عليه السلام, "King David" to them, despite him being from their Ambiyaa which they claim to follow. Also, what he said about the hatred the Jews (followers of Judaism) have towards other people is well-known. The rest of the people, according to them, the non-Jews, are all "gentiles". If a "gentile" eats from a plate or drinks from a glass, it must be broken. It is forever impure; it cannot be cleaned. The things he mentions in that paragraph are all factual. He isn't making things up. You can do your own research on that topic (the hatred of the Jews towards other people) and you will find it to be true.

In fact, I invite you to do that.

Was-Salaam.
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TDWT
02-23-2017, 03:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
One thing to understand first and foremost:

There is being a "Jew", the race, and then being a "Jew", the religion. Most "Jews" (race) are Jews in religion as well. When the `Ulamaa criticise the "Jews", they are referring to the followers of Judaism.



Do you deny that the Jews play a large role not only in Freemasonry, but the "Illuminati" as well?




What he means is that it is a matter of history. There are historians and certain conspiracy theorists who believe that the holocaust did not take place. It is not a matter of Imaan or Kufr. If a person does deny that the holocaust took place, it does not affect his Imaan. It does not affect his Deen. It does not have an effect on whether he will go to Jannah or Jahannam. It does not make him a better Muslim or a worse Muslim.

He is saying that the Jews like to make everything about themselves; they have tortured the Palestinians for so long, in Palestine. The crimes committed by Israel is well-known. Yet, to divert the attention of people away from their own crimes they try to magnify the crimes of others. So now, if some people come along and say, "You know what, we don't accept that six million Jews really were killed." people shouldn't act as though the person has uttered Kufr. It's a "crime" for a person to deny that the holocaust took place, but what the Jews are doing to Muslims in Palestine is not a crime?

In fact, al-Munajjid is not saying that he denies the holocaust having taken place. He is trying to draw your attention towards the selfish nature that they have. Look how they will even throw a person in jail just for saying that maybe the holocaust did not take place, whereas there is no punishment for the crimes which they commit.



Again, he is speaking here about the Jews who follow Judaism, not the "race" of Jews. If a Jew is a Muslim, he is not speaking about such a person. That's not the intended meaning behind that quote. Those Aayaat and those Ahaadeeth are speaking about these Jews who follow Judaism. Those Jews who follow Judaism have always been at the forefront of attacking Islaam. They tried to kill Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم. In fact, not to forget: Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم was invited to eat at the house of a Jewish woman. He ate there, and she had poisoned the meat. Later, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم passed away from that. The Jews (followers of Judaism) had killed many of their Ambiyaa; this is something that the Qur'aan testifies to. The Jews mock swear Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام, and "Jesus" as the Christians say. They insult not only him, but the Ambiyaa in general. They insult Nabi Daawood عليه السلام, "King David" to them, despite him being from their Ambiyaa which they claim to follow. Also, what he said about the hatred the Jews (followers of Judaism) have towards other people is well-known. The rest of the people, according to them, the non-Jews, are all "gentiles". If a "gentile" eats from a plate or drinks from a glass, it must be broken. It is forever impure; it cannot be cleaned. The things he mentions in that paragraph are all factual. He isn't making things up. You can do your own research on that topic (the hatred of the Jews towards other people) and you will find it to be true.

In fact, I invite you to do that.

Was-Salaam.
See, you're generalizing. Not all jews are like that. Some jew support palestinian people.

Ok, so religious discrimination/bigotry/antisemitism. You act as if though that somehow makes it better to judge people based on their beliefs. Why are acting like it's ok to judge people based on their belief? Bigotry is bigotry
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anatolian
02-23-2017, 03:32 PM
Why cant women drive? Is there an ayah for this?
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-23-2017, 04:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
See, you're generalizing. Not all jews are like that. Some jew support palestinian people.

Ok, so religious discrimination/bigotry/antisemitism. You act as if though that somehow makes it better to judge people based on their beliefs. Why are acting like it's ok to judge people based on their belief? Bigotry is bigotry
Do you realise that you're objecting against Aayaat of the Qur'aan and Ahaadeeth of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم? The Aayah of the Qur'aan (which you'll find at the end of the 6th Juz/Para of the Qur'aan) describes the Jews as "Ashaddannaasi `Adaawatan lilladheena Aamanoo" (The most severe of all mankind in enmity towards those who have Imaan). Other Aayaat of the Qur'aan condemn the Jews for insulting their Ambiyaa, killing their Ambiyaa, altering the Tawraah, being cowards, wanting to live "1,000 years" (يَوَدُّ أَحَدُهُمْ لَوْ يُعَمَّرُ أَلْفَ سَنَة), condemning them for their claim that they'll only go to Jahannam for "a few days", etc. And then you have the Ahaadeeth, such as the Hadeeth that at the end of times, the trees and stones will call out, saying:

يَا مسلم! يا عبد الله! هذا يهودي ورائي فتعال فاقتله

"O Muslim! O Slave of Allaah! This is a Jew behind me; come and kill him."

And the Hadeeth continues:

إلا الغرقد فإنه من شجر اليهود

"Except the Gharqad tree, for it is from the trees of the Jews."

Go to the opening Soorah of the Qur'aan: Soorah al-Faatihah. When you read the Aayah: "Ghayril Maghdhoobu `Alayhim" (O Allaah, let us not be like those upon whom Your Anger befell); who is it referring to? Open all Kutub of Tafseer, and they are unanimous that the Aayah is in reference to the Jews. Again, "Jews" as in the followers of Judaism, not speaking about race.

So, if you are going to object, then come out openly and say you are objecting against Allaah Ta`aalaa, against Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and against Islaam.
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TDWT
02-23-2017, 04:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Do you realise that you're objecting against Aayaat of the Qur'aan and Ahaadeeth of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم? The Aayah of the Qur'aan (which you'll find at the end of the 6th Juz/Para of the Qur'aan) describes the Jews as "Ashaddannaasi `Adaawatan lilladheena Aamanoo" (The most severe of all mankind in enmity towards those who have Imaan). Other Aayaat of the Qur'aan condemn the Jews for insulting their Ambiyaa, killing their Ambiyaa, altering the Tawraah, being cowards, wanting to live "1,000 years" (يَوَدُّ أَحَدُهُمْ لَوْ يُعَمَّرُ أَلْفَ سَنَة), condemning them for their claim that they'll only go to Jahannam for "a few days", etc. And then you have the Ahaadeeth, such as the Hadeeth that at the end of times, the trees and stones will call out, saying:

يَا مسلم! يا عبد الله! هذا يهودي ورائي فتعال فاقتله

"O Muslim! O Slave of Allaah! This is a Jew behind me; come and kill him."

And the Hadeeth continues:

إلا الغرقد فإنه من شجر اليهود

"Except the Gharqad tree, for it is from the trees of the Jews."

Go to the opening Soorah of the Qur'aan: Soorah al-Faatihah. When you read the Aayah: "Ghayril Maghdhoobu `Alayhim" (O Allaah, let us not be like those upon whom Your Anger befell); who is it referring to? Open all Kutub of Tafseer, and they are unanimous that the Aayah is in reference to the Jews. Again, "Jews" as in the followers of Judaism, not speaking about race.

So, if you are going to object, then come out openly and say you are objecting against Allaah Ta`aalaa, against Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and against Islaam.
How am I objecting? I am just saying that not all followers of judaism are bad, how is that objecting?
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M.I.A.
02-23-2017, 04:35 PM
literally within the last week or so i read on the forum about how the prophet pbuh could convert the whole..em.. jewish community if he had the help of 10 jewish scholars..

roughly pararphrased.

i dont know the implications of such a claim.

also the quran mainly voices that although they claim to be jews... most of them are not.

most..

again roughly paraphrased.

im literally just jumping in at a point so i dont know what bearing, if any this has on the argument.
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-23-2017, 04:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
Why cant women drive? Is there an ayah for this?
No, this is a contemporary issue, and because of that, there is some Ikhtilaaf (differences) among the `Ulamaa concerning it. The Fatwaa given by the majority of the scholars of Saudi Arabia is that women can't drive cars. That is also the Fatwaa given by Maulana A.S. Desai (Mujlisul Ulama of South Africa). It is also the Fatwaa of a lot of other `Ulamaa around the world. The reason behind this is that they look at it from the Principles of Fiqh such as "Sadd-udh-Dharaa'i`" (Sealing the avenues leading to evil), "Saddan li-Maaddatil Fasaad" (uprooting corruption), the fact that women are not supposed to travel without a Mahram, etc. So, there are two scenarios:

1) A woman is driving alone. In this case, she is without a Mahram, so the `Ulamaa will say that this is not allowed. She needs to have a Mahram with her.

2) She is driving, but in the car is a Mahram, such as her father, or brother, or husband. In this case, again she shouldn't be the one driving; it should be one of them. In this scenario, they will look at it from the point of view of "`Urf", which is that it is against "Rujoolah" (manliness) for a man to sit back and have his wife/sister/daughter drive, when it it his duty to be driving them, not the other way around. That is like the man sitting back at home and having his wife go out and work while he instead sits at home and "looks after the children". It is against the way Allaah Ta`aalaa created the Dunyaa. It is unnatural, and a man who would do that (i.e. sit at home while his wife goes out to work) is, in terms of Sharee`ah, a "Dayyooth" (cuckold).

See the following Fataawaa:

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/20354

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/muftisays/9109

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/20353

والله تعالى أعلم

والسلام
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-23-2017, 04:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
How am I objecting? I am just saying that not all followers of judaism are bad, how is that objecting?
He too didn't say every single Jew, did he? He spoke the truth: They generally are bad. You get exceptions in most things. But on the whole, they are known for those evil traits of theirs mentioned in the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth.
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TDWT
02-23-2017, 04:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
He too didn't say every single Jew, did he? He spoke the truth: They generally are bad. You get exceptions in most things. But on the whole, they are known for those evil traits of theirs mentioned in the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth.
Wow, Ok. That's not really not any better. It's still generalizing. That;s like saying muslims are generally terrorist. I mean, you think it's bad when the west and trump generalizes muslims based on their religion, but why do you think it's ok to do the same thing to jews?
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Muezzin
02-23-2017, 06:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
Well, they think women can't drive, men are superior and better to women and they have antisemitic tendencies actually.
You hold this view of them and yet still eagerly await their answer?

Edit: This thread has gone from a query about timescales to anti-Semitism. What the heck?
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M.I.A.
02-23-2017, 06:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
Wow, Ok. That's not really not any better. It's still generalizing. That;s like saying muslims are generally terrorist. I mean, you think it's bad when the west and trump generalizes muslims based on their religion, but why do you think it's ok to do the same thing to jews?
exactly..

you know its a strange place.

better to remain as strangers..

because then you would only choose to show your better side..

it takes an extreme amount of effort.

..or maybe we should all become shop keepers.


funny money.
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anatolian
02-23-2017, 09:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
No, this is a contemporary issue, and because of that, there is some Ikhtilaaf (differences) among the `Ulamaa concerning it. The Fatwaa given by the majority of the scholars of Saudi Arabia is that women can't drive cars. That is also the Fatwaa given by Maulana A.S. Desai (Mujlisul Ulama of South Africa). It is also the Fatwaa of a lot of other `Ulamaa around the world. The reason behind this is that they look at it from the Principles of Fiqh such as "Sadd-udh-Dharaa'i`" (Sealing the avenues leading to evil), "Saddan li-Maaddatil Fasaad" (uprooting corruption), the fact that women are not supposed to travel without a Mahram, etc. So, there are two scenarios:

1) A woman is driving alone. In this case, she is without a Mahram, so the `Ulamaa will say that this is not allowed. She needs to have a Mahram with her.

2) She is driving, but in the car is a Mahram, such as her father, or brother, or husband. In this case, again she shouldn't be the one driving; it should be one of them. In this scenario, they will look at it from the point of view of "`Urf", which is that it is against "Rujoolah" (manliness) for a man to sit back and have his wife/sister/daughter drive, when it it his duty to be driving them, not the other way around. That is like the man sitting back at home and having his wife go out and work while he instead sits at home and "looks after the children". It is against the way Allaah Ta`aalaa created the Dunyaa. It is unnatural, and a man who would do that (i.e. sit at home while his wife goes out to work) is, in terms of Sharee`ah, a "Dayyooth" (cuckold).

See the following Fataawaa:

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/20354

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/muftisays/9109

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/20353

والله تعالى أعلم

والسلام
Sorry brother. I appriciate the effort but it doesnt make sense to me. A woman can get out of home without a mahram. This ruling applies to long term travels. Also driving car is not a man's work. It is a neutral work. Also the mahram in the car may not know how to drive but the woman may know. Dont take it as accusation but there is a tiny line between ilm and bigotry. If it is not a critic issue really we must avoid restrictive rulings.
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Indefinable
02-23-2017, 09:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
I sent a question like two weeks ago and haven't got a response. How long does it take them for answer?
You seek advice from a site whom you disagree with theologically?

IslamQA is one of the most comprehensive sites available on Islamic issues.

And all those who criticise it or slander the people behind it - Fear Allaah.
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anatolian
02-23-2017, 09:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Indefinable
And all those who criticise it...Fear Allaah.
Is critisizing a website a crime which requires to fear from Allah? What kind of an understanding is this? Dont "use" Allah to fear people for your agenda my friend
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Indefinable
02-23-2017, 10:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
Is critisizing a website a crime which requires to fear from Allah? What kind of an understanding is this? Dont "use" Allah to fear people for your agenda my friend
1) Please refer to me as 'sister' insha'Allaah.

2) The one's who work tirelessly to educate the masses - surely if they make any [human] errors they should be overlooked?

3) It depends on who/what you are criticising - to call our brothers behind the site as 'extreme' is open slander.
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anatolian
02-23-2017, 10:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Indefinable
1) Please refer to me as 'sister' insha'Allaah.

2) The one's who work tirelessly to educate the masses - surely if they make any [human] errors they should be overlooked?

3) It depends on who/what you are criticising - to call our brothers behind the site as 'extreme' is open slander.
No I am not talking about human errors. They have an ideology and they may produce fatwas based on it. They may interprete Quran and Sunnah with the perspective of this ideology. So criticise (not slander) is my right. You have no right to scare me with Allah for doing this.
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TDWT
02-24-2017, 03:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
One thing to understand first and foremost:

There is being a "Jew", the race, and then being a "Jew", the religion. Most "Jews" (race) are Jews in religion as well. When the `Ulamaa criticise the "Jews", they are referring to the followers of Judaism.



Do you deny that the Jews play a large role not only in Freemasonry, but the "Illuminati" as well?




What he means is that it is a matter of history. There are historians and certain conspiracy theorists who believe that the holocaust did not take place. It is not a matter of Imaan or Kufr. If a person does deny that the holocaust took place, it does not affect his Imaan. It does not affect his Deen. It does not have an effect on whether he will go to Jannah or Jahannam. It does not make him a better Muslim or a worse Muslim.

He is saying that the Jews like to make everything about themselves; they have tortured the Palestinians for so long, in Palestine. The crimes committed by Israel is well-known. Yet, to divert the attention of people away from their own crimes they try to magnify the crimes of others. So now, if some people come along and say, "You know what, we don't accept that six million Jews really were killed." people shouldn't act as though the person has uttered Kufr. It's a "crime" for a person to deny that the holocaust took place, but what the Jews are doing to Muslims in Palestine is not a crime?

In fact, al-Munajjid is not saying that he denies the holocaust having taken place. He is trying to draw your attention towards the selfish nature that they have. Look how they will even throw a person in jail just for saying that maybe the holocaust did not take place, whereas there is no punishment for the crimes which they commit.



Again, he is speaking here about the Jews who follow Judaism, not the "race" of Jews. If a Jew is a Muslim, he is not speaking about such a person. That's not the intended meaning behind that quote. Those Aayaat and those Ahaadeeth are speaking about these Jews who follow Judaism. Those Jews who follow Judaism have always been at the forefront of attacking Islaam. They tried to kill Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم. In fact, not to forget: Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم was invited to eat at the house of a Jewish woman. He ate there, and she had poisoned the meat. Later, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم passed away from that. The Jews (followers of Judaism) had killed many of their Ambiyaa; this is something that the Qur'aan testifies to. The Jews mock swear Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام, and "Jesus" as the Christians say. They insult not only him, but the Ambiyaa in general. They insult Nabi Daawood عليه السلام, "King David" to them, despite him being from their Ambiyaa which they claim to follow. Also, what he said about the hatred the Jews (followers of Judaism) have towards other people is well-known. The rest of the people, according to them, the non-Jews, are all "gentiles". If a "gentile" eats from a plate or drinks from a glass, it must be broken. It is forever impure; it cannot be cleaned. The things he mentions in that paragraph are all factual. He isn't making things up. You can do your own research on that topic (the hatred of the Jews towards other people) and you will find it to be true.

In fact, I invite you to do that.

Was-Salaam.
Also, islamqa quotes from the protocols of elder of zion, an antisemitic book. And I never said what Israel was doing isn't a crime. Of course they are terrorist but they don't represent all jews. Many orthodox jews oppose it.

2nd, denying the holocaust is bad because it's cruel to downplay the suffering of fellow human beings. It's like denying what israel is doing to palestine is bad, right?
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Indefinable
02-24-2017, 09:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
No I am not talking about human errors. They have an ideology and they may produce fatwas based on it. They may interprete Quran and Sunnah with the perspective of this ideology. So criticise (not slander) is my right. You have no right to scare me with Allah for doing this.
You believe they are extreme? (Or their ideology is extreme?)

I'm not trying to scare you, I'm trying to warn you brother, that we will be held accountable for our written word too.
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anatolian
02-24-2017, 04:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Indefinable
You believe they are extreme? (Or their ideology is extreme?)

I'm not trying to scare you, I'm trying to warn you brother, that we will be held accountable for our written word too.
Actually I don't have a stance regarding this website. I saw it in this forum for the first time and checked it for a few times as people refering to it frequently here. However, all the answers I checked had more restrictive rulings compared to many other sources. Now I have learnt they are Salafi. This didn't surprise me.

You actually scared people by calling them to fear Allah for criticising this website. This is wrong. No mattter what our differing points are, as long as people are serious, we have no right to use the name of Allah to scare people for our agenda. Just bring forth your own agenda and let people see the right and wrong. Don't "use" Allah..
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sister herb
02-24-2017, 05:19 PM
Thanks for this discussion. I have used that site quite often but now I have realised the basic nature of it. Better to looking for information from other sources too and compare them closer.
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TDWT
02-24-2017, 05:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
One thing to understand first and foremost:

There is being a "Jew", the race, and then being a "Jew", the religion. Most "Jews" (race) are Jews in religion as well. When the `Ulamaa criticise the "Jews", they are referring to the followers of Judaism.



Do you deny that the Jews play a large role not only in Freemasonry, but the "Illuminati" as well?




What he means is that it is a matter of history. There are historians and certain conspiracy theorists who believe that the holocaust did not take place. It is not a matter of Imaan or Kufr. If a person does deny that the holocaust took place, it does not affect his Imaan. It does not affect his Deen. It does not have an effect on whether he will go to Jannah or Jahannam. It does not make him a better Muslim or a worse Muslim.

He is saying that the Jews like to make everything about themselves; they have tortured the Palestinians for so long, in Palestine. The crimes committed by Israel is well-known. Yet, to divert the attention of people away from their own crimes they try to magnify the crimes of others. So now, if some people come along and say, "You know what, we don't accept that six million Jews really were killed." people shouldn't act as though the person has uttered Kufr. It's a "crime" for a person to deny that the holocaust took place, but what the Jews are doing to Muslims in Palestine is not a crime?

In fact, al-Munajjid is not saying that he denies the holocaust having taken place. He is trying to draw your attention towards the selfish nature that they have. Look how they will even throw a person in jail just for saying that maybe the holocaust did not take place, whereas there is no punishment for the crimes which they commit.



Again, he is speaking here about the Jews who follow Judaism, not the "race" of Jews. If a Jew is a Muslim, he is not speaking about such a person. That's not the intended meaning behind that quote. Those Aayaat and those Ahaadeeth are speaking about these Jews who follow Judaism. Those Jews who follow Judaism have always been at the forefront of attacking Islaam. They tried to kill Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم. In fact, not to forget: Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم was invited to eat at the house of a Jewish woman. He ate there, and she had poisoned the meat. Later, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم passed away from that. The Jews (followers of Judaism) had killed many of their Ambiyaa; this is something that the Qur'aan testifies to. The Jews mock swear Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام, and "Jesus" as the Christians say. They insult not only him, but the Ambiyaa in general. They insult Nabi Daawood عليه السلام, "King David" to them, despite him being from their Ambiyaa which they claim to follow. Also, what he said about the hatred the Jews (followers of Judaism) have towards other people is well-known. The rest of the people, according to them, the non-Jews, are all "gentiles". If a "gentile" eats from a plate or drinks from a glass, it must be broken. It is forever impure; it cannot be cleaned. The things he mentions in that paragraph are all factual. He isn't making things up. You can do your own research on that topic (the hatred of the Jews towards other people) and you will find it to be true.

In fact, I invite you to do that.

Was-Salaam.
Read this:

The word Jew can refer to one of two things; either a person who belongs to the Jewish ethnic group (often referred to as the Jewish people), or a follower of the religion of Judaism.
Islam is not a racist or discriminatory religion. It does not advocate the hatred of any race, or group of people, based on language, colour, or ethnic background.
This is clearly mentioned in the Qur’an:
“O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female, and made you peoples and tribes, that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is the All-Knowing, All-Aware.” [The Qur’an: Al-Ḥujuraat 49:13]
The Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“O people, your Lord is one; there is no merit for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor is there merit for a non-Arab over an Arab; and there is no merit for a white person over a black person, nor for a black person over a white person; except by measure of [piety and good actions]. Indeed, the most noble among you in the sight of Allah are the most god-fearing.” [Ahmed: 23489]
Therefore, the measure of merit for people in Islam is based on their piety and adherence to the truth; not their race, colour, or ethnicity. A Muslim loves and hates based on this measure of closeness to God. As such, a Muslim hates the transgressor, the blasphemer, the oppressor, and other types of sinners, according to the seriousness of their sin, without oppressing or persecuting them in any way.
With regard to the Jews, the Qur’an tells us what happened to the Children of Israel throughout the ages, beginning with them being chosen by Allah at the time of Moses (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), due to their piety and patience:
“And We certainly saved the Children of Israel from a humiliating torment. From Pharaoh – indeed, he was haughty and one of the transgressors. And We chose them, purposely, over [all] the worlds, with knowledge.” [The Qur’an: Ad-Dukhaan 44:30-32].
“And We caused the people who had been oppressed to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones, [all of] which We had blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building.” [The Qur’an: Al-A’raaf 7:137]
Having understood that Islam does not discriminate against any group of people based on their ethnicity, colour, or race; it becomes clear that any perceived criticism of Jews or Judaism in the Qur’an must purely be on religious grounds.
This is emphasised in the Qur’an with the praise of a group among the Jews:
“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans – those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.” [The Qur’an: al-Baqarah 2:62]
This passage refers to two groups of the Jews: those who were faithful to their covenant with God, until the coming of Jesus; and those Jews who believed in Jesus during his time, as well as those who believed in Muhammad during his time (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both).
Furthermore, the justice of Islam prohibits that an entire religious group be criticised, without distinguishing between those who hold certain beliefs, or do certain actions, and those who do not. This is clearly shown in the following passage of the Qur’an:
“And among the People of the Scripture is he who, if you entrust him with a great amount [of wealth], he will return it to you. And among them is he who, if you entrust him with a [single] silver coin, he will not return it to you unless you are constantly standing over him [demanding it]. That is because they say, ‘There is no blame upon us concerning the unlearned.’ And they speak untruth about Allah while they know [it].” [The Qur’an: Aal-‘Imraan 3:75]
This passage is critical of a group of people from among the Jews who said that there is no blame upon them if they mistreat the non-Jews; however, it is made clear that this is not true of every Jew, and it in fact emphasises there are those who are honest and faithful in their dealings.
When the Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came with the message of Islam, calling for the worship of one true God and fulfilling the prophecies of old in the Torah of Moses and the Gospels of Jesus (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both), Allah addressed the Children of Israel reminding them of his favours upon them and confirming that he was the Prophet that they had been waiting for. He said in this regard:
“O Children of Israel! Remember My favour with which I favoured you, and fulfil your (part of the) covenant, I shall fulfil My (part of the) covenant, and fear Me [alone]. And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear Me [alone]. And cover not the truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth when you know (what it is).” [The Qur’an: Al-Baqarah 2:40-42]
This passage from the Qur’an concludes with the following statement:
“O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over [all] the worlds.” [The Qur’an: Al-Baqarah 2:47]
A group fulfilled the commands given to them, and another group did not. This was reported in the Qur’an:
“but when there came to them that which they recognised [the Qur’an], they disbelieved in it…” [The Qur’an: Al-Baqarah 2:89]
The Qur’an also mentions similar events which occurred prior to the coming of the Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him):
“We had already taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and had sent to them messengers. Whenever there came to them a messenger with that which their souls did not desire, a group of them they called liars, and others among them they killed.” [The Qur’an: Al-Maa’idah 5:70]
It also mentions the specific event of the Prophet Jesus (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) when he was sent to the Children of Israel:
“And because of their disbelief [in Jesus and the other prophets] and that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge [of adultery].” [The Qur’an: An-Nisaa’ 4:156]
These verses are clearly critical of two groups of the Jews: the first group are those who took part in the acts mentioned; the second group are those who were content with the actions of their predecessors. As for those who did not take part, nor were they content with those actions, they are not the subject of the rebuke in this passage.
Furthermore, when mentioning these transgressions, the Qur’an did not speak of something that had no precedence in the previous scriptures, as these transgressions were already known to both Jews and Christians, in the Torah and Gospels. The killing of prophets was mentioned in the Old Testament in Nehemiah 9:26 and 1 Kings 19:10-14; and in the New Testament, in Luke 11:47 and 1 Thessalonians 2:15,16. Furthermore, the children of Israel had been described as ‘stiff necked’, as in Deuteronomy 9:13; a ‘brood of rebels’ and the ‘offspring of liars’ as in Isaiah 57:4; ‘rebels’ as in Numbers 20:10, in addition to many other words of rebuke which were recorded as being uttered by prophets from the Children of Israel themselves. As in the Qur’an, these are not understood to be a blanket criticism of all Jewry; rather, they are specific to those who carried out particular transgressions, as well as the implied criticism of those who approved of them.
The questioner may wonder why – as in the Old and New Testament – the criticism sometimes appears to be general. This is no different to what has been mentioned above, and can be understood as being a feature of linguistic emphasis. One reason for this is when a particular belief is held by a majority of people, as in the following passage of the Qur’an:
“The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the son of Allah’; and the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the son of Allah.’ That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded!” [The Qur’an: at-Tawbah 9:30]
The Qur’an attributes a statement to the Jews and a statement to the Christians, yet the scholars of Islam unanimously affirm that not all Jews believe in the divinity of Ezra, nor do all Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus; however, due to the fact that the Jews of Madinah who lived at the time of the revelation of the Qur’an believed Ezra to be the son of Allah, they are addressed as such.
It is a vital teaching in Islam that Muslims are just and fair in their dealings with all individuals. Allah says in the Qur’an:
“Indeed, Allah enjoins justice, and doing good, and giving (help) to kith and kin.” [The Qur’an: an-Nahl 16:90]
This even applies to those who participate in the worst of crimes in the sight of Islam. Allah says in the Qur’an:
“O you who have believed, stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is well-acquianted with what you do.” [al-Qur’an: al-Maa’idah 5:8]
Therefore, even though Islam commands us to hate the transgressor, the blasphemer, the oppressor, and the murderer, according to the seriousness of their sin, this should never prevent a Muslim from being just.
We see this embodied in the treatment of the Jews, with whom the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his companions shared the city of Madinah. Any attempts to oppress them were not tolerated, and their rights as citizens were upheld. This can be seen in the Constitution of Madinah, which afforded the Jewish citizens of Madinah security, along with political, cultural, and religious rights, despite their minority status.
For a large part of history, Jews considered the Islamic world a safe haven and a comfortable place of abode, where they were able practice their religion and live a life free from injustice and persecution. The era of Muslim rule in Spain (8th – 11th century) is often referred to as the Jewish ‘Golden Age’, particularly for the economic and scientific progress made by the Jewish community, as well as religious tolerance and harmony.
Unfortunately, what can been considered as centuries of peace and tolerance are often tainted by negative incidents in history, resulting in a distorted understanding of how Jews and Muslims perceive one another.
In modern times, the source of conflict has been centred around Israel and Palestine. For many Muslims, the grief and suffering of the Palestinian people has led to a hatred of everything related to the Jews, even the word Israel, despite it being the name of a noble prophet, mentioned many times in the Qur’an. This is in open contradiction to the teachings of Islam which – as we have seen – call for justice, even towards those who have transgressed against you. Being unjust towards those who have done you no harm is an even greater sin, and blind hatred towards an entire religious or ethnic group, without distinguishing between those who are guilty and those who are innocent, necessitates being unjust towards those who have done no harm. Furthermore, it necessitates being unjust towards those who have transgressed against a group of Muslims, by judging every crime to be equal to the worst of them – something which is also foreign to Islam and alien to the concept of justice.
In summary, Islam is a religion which does not advocate the hatred of any race, or group of people, based on language, colour, or ethnic background. It is a religion which calls for justice, even for those who have transgressed against its followers. The Qur’an praises certain groups of Jews who lived at various points in history, and criticises others; however, the criticism is to be understood in the context of those who held the specific beliefs, or carried out the specific actions mentioned, as well as those from later generations who were pleased with them. This criticism is not unique to Islam, and is also present in the Old and New Testament. Modern tensions in the Middle-East have led many Muslims to profess a blind hatred of Jews, but this is something which is alien to the religion of Islam, and runs contradictory to Islamic principles.



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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-24-2017, 05:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
Read this:

The word Jew can refer to one of two things; either a person who belongs to the Jewish ethnic group (often referred to as the Jewish people), or a follower of the religion of Judaism.
Islam is not a racist or discriminatory religion. It does not advocate the hatred of any race, or group of people, based on language, colour, or ethnic background.
This is clearly mentioned in the Qur’an:
“O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female, and made you peoples and tribes, that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is the All-Knowing, All-Aware.” [The Qur’an: Al-Ḥujuraat 49:13]
The Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“O people, your Lord is one; there is no merit for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor is there merit for a non-Arab over an Arab; and there is no merit for a white person over a black person, nor for a black person over a white person; except by measure of [piety and good actions]. Indeed, the most noble among you in the sight of Allah are the most god-fearing.” [Ahmed: 23489]
Therefore, the measure of merit for people in Islam is based on their piety and adherence to the truth; not their race, colour, or ethnicity. A Muslim loves and hates based on this measure of closeness to God. As such, a Muslim hates the transgressor, the blasphemer, the oppressor, and other types of sinners, according to the seriousness of their sin, without oppressing or persecuting them in any way.
With regard to the Jews, the Qur’an tells us what happened to the Children of Israel throughout the ages, beginning with them being chosen by Allah at the time of Moses (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), due to their piety and patience:
“And We certainly saved the Children of Israel from a humiliating torment. From Pharaoh – indeed, he was haughty and one of the transgressors. And We chose them, purposely, over [all] the worlds, with knowledge.” [The Qur’an: Ad-Dukhaan 44:30-32].
“And We caused the people who had been oppressed to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones, [all of] which We had blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building.” [The Qur’an: Al-A’raaf 7:137]
Having understood that Islam does not discriminate against any group of people based on their ethnicity, colour, or race; it becomes clear that any perceived criticism of Jews or Judaism in the Qur’an must purely be on religious grounds.
This is emphasised in the Qur’an with the praise of a group among the Jews:
“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans – those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.” [The Qur’an: al-Baqarah 2:62]
This passage refers to two groups of the Jews: those who were faithful to their covenant with God, until the coming of Jesus; and those Jews who believed in Jesus during his time, as well as those who believed in Muhammad during his time (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both).
Furthermore, the justice of Islam prohibits that an entire religious group be criticised, without distinguishing between those who hold certain beliefs, or do certain actions, and those who do not. This is clearly shown in the following passage of the Qur’an:
“And among the People of the Scripture is he who, if you entrust him with a great amount [of wealth], he will return it to you. And among them is he who, if you entrust him with a [single] silver coin, he will not return it to you unless you are constantly standing over him [demanding it]. That is because they say, ‘There is no blame upon us concerning the unlearned.’ And they speak untruth about Allah while they know [it].” [The Qur’an: Aal-‘Imraan 3:75]
This passage is critical of a group of people from among the Jews who said that there is no blame upon them if they mistreat the non-Jews; however, it is made clear that this is not true of every Jew, and it in fact emphasises there are those who are honest and faithful in their dealings.
When the Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came with the message of Islam, calling for the worship of one true God and fulfilling the prophecies of old in the Torah of Moses and the Gospels of Jesus (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both), Allah addressed the Children of Israel reminding them of his favours upon them and confirming that he was the Prophet that they had been waiting for. He said in this regard:
“O Children of Israel! Remember My favour with which I favoured you, and fulfil your (part of the) covenant, I shall fulfil My (part of the) covenant, and fear Me [alone]. And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear Me [alone]. And cover not the truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth when you know (what it is).” [The Qur’an: Al-Baqarah 2:40-42]
This passage from the Qur’an concludes with the following statement:
“O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over [all] the worlds.” [The Qur’an: Al-Baqarah 2:47]
A group fulfilled the commands given to them, and another group did not. This was reported in the Qur’an:
“but when there came to them that which they recognised [the Qur’an], they disbelieved in it…” [The Qur’an: Al-Baqarah 2:89]
The Qur’an also mentions similar events which occurred prior to the coming of the Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him):
“We had already taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and had sent to them messengers. Whenever there came to them a messenger with that which their souls did not desire, a group of them they called liars, and others among them they killed.” [The Qur’an: Al-Maa’idah 5:70]
It also mentions the specific event of the Prophet Jesus (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) when he was sent to the Children of Israel:
“And because of their disbelief [in Jesus and the other prophets] and that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge [of adultery].” [The Qur’an: An-Nisaa’ 4:156]
These verses are clearly critical of two groups of the Jews: the first group are those who took part in the acts mentioned; the second group are those who were content with the actions of their predecessors. As for those who did not take part, nor were they content with those actions, they are not the subject of the rebuke in this passage.
Furthermore, when mentioning these transgressions, the Qur’an did not speak of something that had no precedence in the previous scriptures, as these transgressions were already known to both Jews and Christians, in the Torah and Gospels. The killing of prophets was mentioned in the Old Testament in Nehemiah 9:26 and 1 Kings 19:10-14; and in the New Testament, in Luke 11:47 and 1 Thessalonians 2:15,16. Furthermore, the children of Israel had been described as ‘stiff necked’, as in Deuteronomy 9:13; a ‘brood of rebels’ and the ‘offspring of liars’ as in Isaiah 57:4; ‘rebels’ as in Numbers 20:10, in addition to many other words of rebuke which were recorded as being uttered by prophets from the Children of Israel themselves. As in the Qur’an, these are not understood to be a blanket criticism of all Jewry; rather, they are specific to those who carried out particular transgressions, as well as the implied criticism of those who approved of them.
The questioner may wonder why – as in the Old and New Testament – the criticism sometimes appears to be general. This is no different to what has been mentioned above, and can be understood as being a feature of linguistic emphasis. One reason for this is when a particular belief is held by a majority of people, as in the following passage of the Qur’an:
“The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the son of Allah’; and the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the son of Allah.’ That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded!” [The Qur’an: at-Tawbah 9:30]
The Qur’an attributes a statement to the Jews and a statement to the Christians, yet the scholars of Islam unanimously affirm that not all Jews believe in the divinity of Ezra, nor do all Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus; however, due to the fact that the Jews of Madinah who lived at the time of the revelation of the Qur’an believed Ezra to be the son of Allah, they are addressed as such.
It is a vital teaching in Islam that Muslims are just and fair in their dealings with all individuals. Allah says in the Qur’an:
“Indeed, Allah enjoins justice, and doing good, and giving (help) to kith and kin.” [The Qur’an: an-Nahl 16:90]
This even applies to those who participate in the worst of crimes in the sight of Islam. Allah says in the Qur’an:
“O you who have believed, stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is well-acquianted with what you do.” [al-Qur’an: al-Maa’idah 5:8]
Therefore, even though Islam commands us to hate the transgressor, the blasphemer, the oppressor, and the murderer, according to the seriousness of their sin, this should never prevent a Muslim from being just.
We see this embodied in the treatment of the Jews, with whom the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and his companions shared the city of Madinah. Any attempts to oppress them were not tolerated, and their rights as citizens were upheld. This can be seen in the Constitution of Madinah, which afforded the Jewish citizens of Madinah security, along with political, cultural, and religious rights, despite their minority status.
For a large part of history, Jews considered the Islamic world a safe haven and a comfortable place of abode, where they were able practice their religion and live a life free from injustice and persecution. The era of Muslim rule in Spain (8th – 11th century) is often referred to as the Jewish ‘Golden Age’, particularly for the economic and scientific progress made by the Jewish community, as well as religious tolerance and harmony.
Unfortunately, what can been considered as centuries of peace and tolerance are often tainted by negative incidents in history, resulting in a distorted understanding of how Jews and Muslims perceive one another.
In modern times, the source of conflict has been centred around Israel and Palestine. For many Muslims, the grief and suffering of the Palestinian people has led to a hatred of everything related to the Jews, even the word Israel, despite it being the name of a noble prophet, mentioned many times in the Qur’an. This is in open contradiction to the teachings of Islam which – as we have seen – call for justice, even towards those who have transgressed against you. Being unjust towards those who have done you no harm is an even greater sin, and blind hatred towards an entire religious or ethnic group, without distinguishing between those who are guilty and those who are innocent, necessitates being unjust towards those who have done no harm. Furthermore, it necessitates being unjust towards those who have transgressed against a group of Muslims, by judging every crime to be equal to the worst of them – something which is also foreign to Islam and alien to the concept of justice.
In summary, Islam is a religion which does not advocate the hatred of any race, or group of people, based on language, colour, or ethnic background. It is a religion which calls for justice, even for those who have transgressed against its followers. The Qur’an praises certain groups of Jews who lived at various points in history, and criticises others; however, the criticism is to be understood in the context of those who held the specific beliefs, or carried out the specific actions mentioned, as well as those from later generations who were pleased with them. This criticism is not unique to Islam, and is also present in the Old and New Testament. Modern tensions in the Middle-East have led many Muslims to profess a blind hatred of Jews, but this is something which is alien to the religion of Islam, and runs contradictory to Islamic principles.


I've read it. His article is primarily to do with racism, and saying that Islaam is not against any particular race, which is a fact accepted by everyone unanimously. There is no racism in Islaam.
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M.I.A.
02-24-2017, 06:16 PM
send them a question asking how long it takes them to answer a question.

...i wonder what the answer would be?


maybe they would reply,

we dont know? how long does it take to answer a question?
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TDWT
02-24-2017, 06:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
I've read it. His article is primarily to do with racism, and saying that Islaam is not against any particular race, which is a fact accepted by everyone unanimously. There is no racism in Islaam.
Off topic. The point was, in the article, he says that islam doesn't blindly condemn jews even as a group like you said. Again, why do you act like it's ok to discriminate/be prejudice against people based on religion?
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-24-2017, 07:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
Off topic. The point was, in the article, he says that islam doesn't blindly condemn jews even as a group like you said. Again, why do you act like it's ok to discriminate/be prejudice against people based on religion?
The Jews have been condemned in the Qur'aan. Like I told you, the Mufassireen have consensus that when "al-Maghdhoob" is mentioned in Soorah al-Faatihah, it's referring to the Jews. Now, what he's doing in that article is that he's saying not every Jew who follows Judaism is like that; but the thing is, al-Munajjid did not deny that there are such Jews who are an exception to the rule. He is speaking about how they are as a whole, the Jews who follow Judaism. How they generally are. He is not denying exceptions.
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Serinity
02-24-2017, 07:40 PM
:salam:

guys, approach people without any preconcieved Judgements. While, afaik, most of Jews are be bad, we can not approach a Jew with hatred.

Generally, men are stronger in strength than women - however there are exceptions.

Astaghfirullah if I said anything wrong.

Allahu alam.
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M.I.A.
02-24-2017, 08:14 PM
https://islamqa.info/en/49048


...dude its from islamqa!!!!


also i remember it as some of the sabians resembled christians.

and some of them resembled jews.

....google only says they resembled christians.

(?in mannerism, culture, belief, ritual?)

i dont have time to read everything again and i only ever remember little so if anyone can clarify.

...and remember..

its easy to be replaced by other people..

kinda like trading place's... but not as funny.

meh..

some swords are unbreakable.

and some mirrors are not to be broken.
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TDWT
02-24-2017, 08:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
The Jews have been condemned in the Qur'aan. Like I told you, the Mufassireen have consensus that when "al-Maghdhoob" is mentioned in Soorah al-Faatihah, it's referring to the Jews. Now, what he's doing in that article is that he's saying not every Jew who follows Judaism is like that; but the thing is, al-Munajjid did not deny that there are such Jews who are an exception to the rule. He is speaking about how they are as a whole, the Jews who follow Judaism. How they generally are. He is not denying exceptions.
That's not really any better. You're still generalizing. It's literally like someone saying 'muslims are generally terrorist". That's bad right? You're doing the same thing. It's prejudice
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-24-2017, 10:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
That's not really any better. You're still generalizing. It's literally like someone saying 'muslims are generally terrorist". That's bad right? You're doing the same thing. It's prejudice
We would ask this person to define "terrorist", and then take it from there. You see, these days, every person has their own definition of what "terrorist" means. For some "Islamophobes", every Arab man is a terrorist. Any man with a beard is a terrorist. Any man who isn't a feminist is a terrorist. Any man who isn't a pacifist is a terrorist. Any man who believes in fighting is a terrorist. The list goes on. One person's "terrorist" is another person's "hero". It's subjective. Back in the old days in South Africa, when the apartheid was at its worst, and the African people rose up against apartheid and Mandela started a military group (yes, even Mandela wasn't a "pacifist") called "Umkhonto we Sizwe" (The Spear of the Nation), the armed wing of the ANC (African National Congress), the apartheid regime labelled him as a "terrorist" and the organisation as a "terrorist organisation". Guess who else labelled it as a "terrorist organisation"? None other than "God damned America" (to use Jeremiah Wright's favourite curse), once again. America labelled it as a "terrorist group" and did all they could to have it banned. America has always been sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. All the years. It's time someone cuts that nose off.

Anyway, they praise him now and make a big deal about him, but back then he was SA's number one "Terrorist". Old Mandela.

So, if a person says to you, "Muslims are generally terrorists", ask him to define terrorism. If by terrorist he means someone who believes in Jihaad, then yes, I am 100% a terrorist. In that case, it is compulsory to be a terrorist.

So let him define it.
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-24-2017, 10:23 PM
By the way, on the topic of "violence and pacifism", take a look at what Mandela had to say about it:

Mandela said, in his famous speech, "I Am Prepared to Die":

"At the beginning of June 1961, after a long and anxious assessment of the South African situation, I, and some colleagues, came to the conclusion that as violence in this country was inevitable, it would be unrealistic and wrong for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force.

This conclusion was not easily arrived at. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle, and to form Umkhonto we Sizwe. We did so not because we desired such a course, but solely because the government had left us with no other choice. In the Manifesto of Umkhonto published on 16 December 1961, which is exhibit AD, we said:

The time comes in the life of any nation when there remain only two choices – submit or fight. That time has now come to South Africa. We shall not submit and we have no choice but to hit back by all means in our power in defence of our people, our future, and our freedom.

Firstly, we believed that as a result of Government policy, violence by the African people had become inevitable, and that unless responsible leadership was given to canalise and control the feelings of our people, there would be outbreaks of terrorism which would produce an intensity of bitterness and hostility between the various races of this country which is not produced even by war. Secondly, we felt that without violence there would be no way open to the African people to succeed in their struggle against the principle of white supremacy. All lawful modes of expressing opposition to this principle had been closed by legislation, and we were placed in a position in which we had either to accept a permanent state of inferiority, or take over the Government. We chose to defy the law
."

So, even Mandela knew that pacifism doesn't work. The apartheid regime cared nothing for anyone's "pacifism". Pacifism encouraged them to become more racialistic and oppress people even more. The more of a "pacifist" you are, the more easy a target you are. The more of a "victim" you are. One of the "oppressed majority". So in life, you have only two choices, and there is no third: You can choose to be a victim, or you can choose to be a fighter.

The choice is yours.
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TDWT
02-24-2017, 10:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
We would ask this person to define "terrorist", and then take it from there. You see, these days, every person has their own definition of what "terrorist" means. For some "Islamophobes", every Arab man is a terrorist. Any man with a beard is a terrorist. Any man who isn't a feminist is a terrorist. Any man who isn't a pacifist is a terrorist. Any man who believes in fighting is a terrorist. The list goes on. One person's "terrorist" is another person's "hero". It's subjective. Back in the old days in South Africa, when the apartheid was at its worst, and the African people rose up against apartheid and Mandela started a military group (yes, even Mandela wasn't a "pacifist") called "Umkhonto we Sizwe" (The Spear of the Nation), the armed wing of the ANC (African National Congress), the apartheid regime labelled him as a "terrorist" and the organisation as a "terrorist organisation". Guess who else labelled it as a "terrorist organisation"? None other than "God damned America" (to use Jeremiah Wright's favourite curse), once again. America labelled it as a "terrorist group" and did all they could to have it banned. America has always been sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. All the years. It's time someone cuts that nose off.

Anyway, they praise him now and make a big deal about him, but back then he was SA's number one "Terrorist". Old Mandela.

So, if a person says to you, "Muslims are generally terrorists", ask him to define terrorism. If by terrorist he means someone who believes in Jihaad, then yes, I am 100% a terrorist. In that case, it is compulsory to be a terrorist.

So let him define it.
That has nothing to do with what we were talking about? I meant like the likes of ISIS, who are suicide bombers and are attacking innocents. Or someone said, 'muslims are generally rapist'. That is wrong in both senses and generalizing.
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Huzaifah ibn Adam
02-24-2017, 10:39 PM
Once again: al-Munajjid said about the Jews only that which the Qur'aan and Sunnah has said about them. He has provided his proof in his article. You have not broken any of his evidences. You have not disproved what he said. You have only said that you don't like it. But, when it comes to the truth, then it doesn't matter about who likes it and who doesn't like it. The only thing that matters is whether it's the truth or not.
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TDWT
02-24-2017, 10:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Once again: al-Munajjid said about the Jews only that which the Qur'aan and Sunnah has said about them. He has provided his proof in his article. You have not broken any of his evidences. You have not disproved what he said. You have only said that you don't like it. But, when it comes to the truth, then it doesn't matter about who likes it and who doesn't like it. The only thing that matters is whether it's the truth or not.
Let's consider this. A lot of jews, the ones in Israel, aren't really practicing and more, culturally jewish. The ones who have been protesting it are orthodox jews, who are the followers of the religion. Second, aside from that, you know the rohingya are being persecuted by buddhist, so I don't know why you're not judging all buddhist.
Like what that guy in the article said, quran doesn't generalize jews, like you and munajidd says, it distinguishes between good ones and bad ones, verses of condemnation are talking about the bad ones obviously.
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M.I.A.
02-24-2017, 10:54 PM
i take dispute with the one mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist..

because it implies a transgression of bounds when at odds..

its kind of like the opposite of "collateral damage"

...this is why all I have are comic book references..

and fictional head in the clouds approaches to life.

because we all die in the end.


if you send me to dig graves i will protest.


one mans hero is anothers villain.

..


i learned to box and now they are cleverer. o_0

what happens if i become cleverer?

meh.. makes no sense to me.

misplaced confidence and false hope.. is all the same to me.

whatevers waiting in the wings can part the sea.


..itself?
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aaj
02-24-2017, 11:08 PM
I think it's safe to say that islamqa is a conservative site with conservative views. If it's something you can't digest then try a less conservative site like islamweb.com.
It's like saying you can't do the niqaab then do the hijab. Not everyone is at the same level of commitment.

As for the driving issue, that is just a cultural suadi issue. If a woman can travel locally then she can drive locally too. It's prohibited in saudi because the men there do not trust their women. And we know this because we have seen what they do when the come aboard. If saudi gave isamic education to its citizens rather then impose dos and don'ts list on its citizens then they wouldn't have these issues. What they do there is no different than a child asking why do i have to wear hijab or pray and the parents says "because i said so".
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Indefinable
02-25-2017, 12:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
Actually I don't have a stance regarding this website. I saw it in this forum for the first time and checked it for a few times as people refering to it frequently here. However, all the answers I checked had more restrictive rulings compared to many other sources. Now I have learnt they are Salafi. This didn't surprise me.

You actually scared people by calling them to fear Allah for criticising this website. This is wrong. No mattter what our differing points are, as long as people are serious, we have no right to use the name of Allah to scare people for our agenda. Just bring forth your own agenda and let people see the right and wrong. Don't "use" Allah..
You misunderstand me.
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Yoosha Tarique
01-18-2021, 10:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
I sent a question like two weeks ago and haven't got a response. How long does it take them for answer?
. Brother did you get an answer
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