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Simple_Person
Bro you are good at research and deductions and so does this hadith speak about isis who are known to represent black flags ?
TRIALS _ SLAP TO EEMAAN
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
When we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah (?), he talked about periods of trial (fitnahs), mentioning many of them.
(1)When he mentioned the one when people should stay in their houses, some asked him: Messenger of Allah, what is the trial (fitnah) of staying at home? He replied: It will be flight and plunder. (2) Then will come a test which is pleasant. Its murkiness is due to the fact that it is produced by a man from the people of my house, (3) who will assert that he belongs to me, whereas he does not, for my friends are only the God-fearing. (4) Then the people will unite under a man who will be like a hip-bone on a rib. Then there will be (5)
the little black trial which will leave none of this community without giving him a slap, (6) and when people say that it is finished, (7) it will be extended. (8) During it a man will be a believer in the morning and an infidel in the evening, so that the people will be in two camps: the camp of faith which will contain no hypocrisy, and the camp of hypocrisy which will contain no faith.
When that happens, expect the Antichrist (Dajjal) that day or the next
Sorry, i had just woken up and understood your comment wrong. Logically speaking you COULD say that it fits the picture but Allah knows best as many hadith we could apply to the current world events while truth maybe it is for later events in the future. About the hadith (1) about flight and plunder, i am not sure how to understand this and not knowing, better not saying anything as i have no clue to it. (2) Look at many of us, we stay at home while the Ummah is being cleansed of those khawarij-mentality guys. Many of us follow what is going on via all kind of (social) media and educate ourselves through Forums and other means. We are being educated through the lies of the ones that are attacking Islam. Many of us have started to question things we do day in and day out. Many of us, just me for example, not even 4 years ago...i was full of nationalism while right now alhamdulillah i do not care about my own culture and this nationalistic feeling. All rubbish as NOTHING will help me in the grave and on the Day of Judgement. We have stayed home while we as a Ummah are being cleaned and getting stronger with Imaan and genuine people who really follow Islam. (3) I have HEARD that Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi has claimed he is from the house of Rasullah(saws), i am not sure if you can confirm that. If so, then one COULD conclude that this applies to him. As he is killing, Muslims, Christians, Jews..Atheist, ..just everybody. Earlier in the hadith, Rasullah(saws) says "murkiness" which is something that is not clear but also not unclear. So rather doubt as doubt doesn't mean yes or no. As these recent years many have doubted..are they really pro-Islam or not?
(4) This part rather confuses me. Did Rasullah(saws) meant another man will come or did he say the same man?
(5) This part one could also apply to ISIS as every house hold has had to deal with ISIS and people questioning what is going on..is this Islam?
(6) This could mean that after Raqa and Mosul victory we(Muslims) MIGHT think ISIS finally has been defeated and we are ridden of them. However just recently i read two news articles that within a safe place i think Abu ad Dhur west of Aleppo, ISIS 2 has risen...although i am not sure as news is "news" supporting the ones who want you to believe something.
(7) If Rasullah(saws) says it will be extended, till he even says "dajjal"..that is rather shocking to me. Because this logically one could say will stay even during malhama (great war) and Mahdi till these people join dajjal.
Which remind me of this..
"When `Ali killed the Khawarij, someone said: "Praise be to Allah Who has brought them down and relieved us from them." Ali replied: "Verily, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, some of them are still in the loins of men and
they have not been born yet, and the last of them will fight on the side of the Antichrist.""
Source used:
http://www.-----------/publication/fajr/fajr.htm
Which by LOGIC one could say that with this hadith (your hadith), the train has started to leave referring to (7) "it will be extended".
(8) Off course this, many people with culture-believe in Islam, has left Islam all together..not simply leaving the prayer, but literally leaving Islam.
I have already in other topics or maybe even also in this, pointed out that ISIS has also been a blessing that it has separated Muslims from the munafiq. As the person who is a munafiq will lie about everything even if he does not believe in a God. Among Christians these people also exist. The hypocrites pretend, but they only pretend when they see some benefit in it. While not truly believing in it.
Among Muslims but also people of other faiths, this dividends with coming of ISIS has one could say also occurred. There are people i BELIEVE that say i do not want to be associated with religion anymore. "Christian, Muslim, Jewish..doesn't matter all the same".
So the two camps in the end of Christians, Muslims, Jews and other people who just simply believe in a God being in one camp and when Mahdi would appear make things clear and the other camp the one no faith full hypocrisy being followers of dajjal. Which LOGICALLY mean that Mahdi is the cleaner of doubt and confusion but only the dishonest people which follow their desires will be fallen in the trap of dajjal.
Again, this creates much confusion about when the malhama takes place..during mahdi or before him?
HOWEVER as at the start of this comment i already has pointed this out, it could be that the train has not started with ISIS, but some group that has still to come. But so far about applying this to the current events.
IF the train has run, which logically based on my current knowledge and events, i could say i am not sure if we will reach year 2050. The amount of corruption has baffled me to be honest. The Netherlands began as the FIRST country in 2001 to ACCEPT homosexuality as marriage thing. Now 16-17 years later people worldwide have started to accepted this concept. As if this was not bad enough the transgenderism corruption has come out of NOWHERE and within even less years they have been adopted worldwide as it is "not a mental disease".
https://www.rt.com/news/380973-swedi...change-gender/
The clothes people wear has become more tighter and more revealing. The mentality of guys has become more corrupt and they have seriously became slaves of their desires and it is like a addiction one could say. They cannot help themselves anymore.
A good movie that really portrays this is "shame (2011)", do be aware it is by my standards not really approved by Islamic standards. I saw this when i was still an atheist.
Just in the last week whole fight between Turkey and the Netherlands..has made me speechless that within SERIOUSLY HOURS..it had gone from Oke..to WOOW..THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY!!..
Another sort of confirmation is the amount of people who say i am Mahdi. Has risen A LOT in the last 10 years. Which by logic one could say, iblies knows more than you me till even the sahaba's. So he KNOWS exactly when the times comes for Mahdi. By creating more confusing with people saying i am Mahdi and if the real Mahdi would be pointed at..many people treating him the same as other liars and thus not follow him. I have tried to imagine that how about that the Mahdi would come after 100 years and not within 10-30 years? Logically speaking he wants to prevent people from following him so if Mahdi would come after 100 years the most people who have witnessed these false Mahdi's would have already died. So by LOGIC one could say his purpose is to create confusion among the people who will witness the arrival of him.
Based on all of this is, we as Muslims must get our personal "...." together. Really start working on ourselves. Less tv, learn how to depend on less water, less food, no electricity, gain as much knowledge as you can as when there is no electricity and no internet..much knowledge goes away. So buy ESSENTIAL books..(pocket editions) if possible. Books how to survive in nature, buy essential tools like survival knives that you see in survival shows (do your own research about it). Buying good clothes, backpack, train the body..train the mind. So if let's say something happens..you within 30 minutes have grabbed what you have prepared for it and left your home. Have made a plan already where you going, how to reach it..with whom to go, what and who to avoid.
As in the west, i have been thinking and i THINK the FIRST people that go savage will be people in the west. The rest of the world that lives in poverty..they are blessed with survival skills. I see young children going fishing as something very normal. While many adults here in the west don't know how to make bread. They know how to make money, but don't know how to make a fire. They KNOW what car to buy, but have no idea how to navigate without navigation system. They know what is the best restaurant in town, but don't know how to make a shelter.
Some people even here, would think that i am a "doomsday"-thinker. You know those prepper-guys. I am rather a realist. I say prepare for it, if it never happened in your life, ..it never happened in your life. If it has happened in your life..then it has happened but you prepared yourself for it....( "...go make allegiance to him even if you have to crawl over snow" :) )
Allah knows best of all of this, just my 2 cents.