I have not believed for 4 years now

[Khanali12]

As the title says, i want to believe but i can't, i've reached to a point now where i don't really care.

[Scimitar]

But you are here, subhan Allah.

Let's talk, you and I.

Scimi

[noraina]

You do care though, if you didn't care you wouldn't have felt the need to come on here and seek for advice. And that's a great blessing in itself - sometimes we lose ourselves in the darkness, but as long as we can see the light, we'll find a way out.

You can voice any of your concerns or doubts here, they'll be addressed in'sha'Allah.

[Khanali12]

I've been reading dozens of threads on this forum relating to my problem over the course of the last several years, only today I've created a thread of my own.

I have also watched hundreds of hours of Islamic lectures online and they don't sit with me well at all.

why did Allah create me, knowing that I would eventually disbelieve a thus thrown me into hell? I didn't ask to be created!

how can a man claiming to be a prophet marry a 9 year old? isn't that paedophilia? what's the justification? (no justification imo at all)

Also his claims of splitting the moon in two ? as well as 'ascending' to heaven on a flying horse? what about his(and other sahaba/caliphates) orders of stoning various people for various 'crimes' such as adultery? why couldn't he leave it to allah instead?

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[Khanali12]

I know what you're getting at but I don't think I actually do, before I kept everything to myself but now I'm openly defying Islam and mocking it without remorse, I don't want to but it happens when we are discussing Islam at uni

I've come t the conclusion that belief is not a choice, I have tried my very best to no avail.

[Scimitar]

Bro you can't claim you don't believe in God and then ask why He created you, that's an oxymoron!

Scimi

[Zeal]

As the title says, i want to believe but i can't, i've reached to a point now where i don't really care.

https://youtu.be/mtCgzM5v6MU

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Khanali12; and welcome to the forum,

Also his claims of splitting the moon in two ? as well as 'ascending' to heaven on a flying horse?

If Allah can create the universe and life from nothing, then splitting the moon and flying horses would be a trivial task for Allah. In the Bible, Elijah is taken up to heaven on a chariot of fire and horses, I don't have any problems believing this, even though it goes against science and evidence.

what about his(and other sahaba/caliphates) orders of stoning various people for various 'crimes' such as adultery? why couldn't he leave it to allah instead?

Most countries have prisons, and some countries still have the death sentence, this is meant to be a deterrent. If you don't commit the crime, then you don't have to worry about punishment. Allah then has the power to raise people to a greater good life after death.

If there is no God, then all the injustice in this world will never be put right.

In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God.

Eric

[Khanali12]

where did I say I don't believe in god? I believe in a creator, just not Islam and its interpretation.

aren't you going t address my questions? if not then I guess Islam and me are going to part ways, for good.

[SoldierAmatUllah]

Ok stay with us !

We all have had our times,gained knowledge with Truthful proofs & everything we will discuss ......

Don't leave !

[Khanali12]

are you muslim?

[noraina]

Look, you shouldn't be so hasty to jump to conclusions. To really benefit from any advice or answers we give, it's necessary for you to be willing to listen with an open mind, in'sha'Allah.

In regards to your first question, you've missed one fundamental point. As humans we have free will. Allah swt has created us with free will. There is an equal chance you may one day truly believe in Allah swt again and attain a place in Jannah, as there is you may not. We have been created to worship and obey the Creator - Allah swt.

The concept of free will and predestination can be a bit difficult to get your head around - Allah swt knows before we are born every choice we will make in life and what out ultimate destination will be, because He is all-Knowing, but knowing doesn't mean that He interferes with or influences our choices. I'm sure you've heard that concept in Islam where Allah swt won't change our hearts unless we change our own.

This second question of yours has been discussed many, many, many times on this forum. I'm linking you to a couple of such discussions - but basically you are viewing this issue through your own 'lens', probably influenced by the media, and not looking at the wider context:

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...buh-aisha.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...phet-pbuh.html

As for your third question - Islam doesn't place a particularly high emphasis on miracles so to speak, for us the biggest miracle is the Qur'an itself. However, the splitting of the Moon, and the ascent to the heavens, don't seem that impossible when we remember that this isn't such a big thing for the One Who created the *entire* Universe. In fact I think Islam has a rather plausible explanation than other religions, as it emphasises these miracles came only from Allah swt and not the Prophets themselves.

[Scimitar]

where did I say I don't believe in god? I believe in a creator, just not Islam and its interpretation.

aren't you going t address my questions? if not then I guess Islam and me are going to part ways, for good.

You claimed you do not believe in God, that you reject HIM - and yet you wonder why HE created you - doesn't matter if you believe in Islamic version of God, or the Animist version, or whatever version - you still made an oxymoron, you cannot justify with weak logic.

Also - Your questions are steeped in ignorance.

Tell me what you understood and did not understand or accept from the scholarly explanations you claim to have spent many an hour on in relation to these "issues" you claim you have with Islam in your young, and over stretched confident age.

And I will show you where you are being foolish, in sha Allah.

Scimi

[SoldierAmatUllah]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HFmMRXnUYTM


Reg.marriage life of Prophet Mohammed PBUH

_Reg.miracle of Moon split-It was seen by some rulers in Hind & he reverted to Islam .

Ascent to heaven -Do you know NDE (Near death experiences)exist!&One of Sahabas himself has experienced it .

It's actually proved by Muslims & science & Islamic history ....sucvh a great phenomena that exists by ALLAH's Permit.

So,when ordinary people can witness such things then how come ascension to heavens on flying horse in reality by a Prophet -a man on whom Qur'an was revealed could not get it?!



Qur'an itself has soooo many proofs of Truthful ness from science to history to do many aspects of life !

So,be careful &do research, InshaALLAH

Yes,Alhamdull'ILLAH, I'm a Muslim!

[Khanali12]

again show me where in my post I said that, AGAIN I REJECT ISLAMS VERSION OF GOD! a merciful allah wouldn't create me only to know he Is going throw me in fire for my future actions/inactions.

and where is the ignorance in my questions?

[Scimitar]

again show me where in my post I said that, AGAIN I REJECT ISLAMS VERSION OF GOD! a merciful allah wouldn't create me only to know he Is going throw me in fire for my future actions/inactions.

and where is the ignorance in my questions?

enough with your bs otherwise I'm leaving this chat.

What theology in One God doesn't have an idea of an afterlife where there isn't an heaven and hell?

:D

You've not thought this through have you?

I'm proving your questions and premise are steeped in huge ignorance.

Come on lad, show me what you got? What I mean is: Tell me what you understood and did not understand or accept from the scholarly explanations you claim to have spent many an hour on in relation to these "issues" you say you have with Islam and I will prove you wrong.

Game? Don't deflect, show me you have the courage of your conviction and debate me ;) Oh learned one!!! :)

Scimi

[SoldierAmatUllah]

What theology in One God doesn't have an idea of an afterlife where there isn't an heaven and hell?

:D

You've not thought this through have you?

I'm proving your questions and premise are steeped in huge ignorance.

Come on lad, show me what you got? What I mean is: Tell me what you understood and did not understand or accept from the scholarly explanations you claim to have spent many an hour on in relation to these "issues" you say you have with Islam and I will prove you wrong.

Game? Don't deflect, show me you have the courage of your conviction and debate me ;) Oh learned one!!! :)

Scimi

Please don't turn him away ,it's a very regrettable sin in Islam .



Khanali

Please avoid him & talk to others ....

[Scimitar]

Please don't turn him away ,it's a very regrettable sin in Islam .



Khanali

Please avoid him & talk to others ....

Wait, stop in your tracks, and sit down.

He posed questions which have been answered, and when I pose them back, no courtesy response. Just ignorance.

If he is truthful with his line of enquiry then he shouldn't mind truthful lines of inquiry either - why are you giving him room to maneuver his bias all over the place? I'm trying to narrow it down.

Clearly, you've never given issues like this much thought and just play off your emotions. Please don't because Islam doesn't do appeals to emotion. Thank you in advance.

Scimi

[SoldierAmatUllah]

Wait, stop in your tracks, and sit down.

He posed questions which have been answered, and when I pose them back, no courtesy response. Just ignorance.

If he is truthful with his line of enquiry then he shouldn't mind truthful lines of inquiry either - why are you giving him room to maneuver his bias all over the place? I'm trying to narrow it down.

Clearly, you've never given issues like this much thought and just play off your emotions. Please don't because Islam doesn't do appeals to emotion. Thank you in advance.

Scimi

You're right but you need to be more aware of Muslims dilemma & how much they have fallen without Khilafah for over 100 years with colonisation & westernisation spread over & it takes time to assimilate things ....you're trying to be as accurate in giving him courage to opt for kufr.

Look around,so many Muslims turn towards Islam after such questions, so much mess our Ummah is actually in & with the guidance we have been blessed with requires us to be patient&do dawah with wisdom .This is not apologetic dawah but we need to know situation of individual before we label him outcast!

We are not under Islamic golden times when knowledge is rampant & everything is looking clear.

To add to our calamity, we are in end times ignorance & with loads of fitan upon fitan over our Ummah.

So,let's deal practically, give him time to think,understand, question,ponder& seek guidance from ALLAH Ta'ala!

[Scimitar]

You're right but you need to be more aware of Muslims dilemma & how much they have fallen without Khilafah for over 100 years with colonisation & westernisation spread over & it takes time to assimilate things ....you're trying to be as accurate in giving him courage to opt for kufr.

Maybe you should find out who you are speaking to :D

I'm MORE THAN >> AWARE.

Alhamdulillah, further, I am NOT weak sauce!

Look around,so many Muslims turn towards Islam after such questions, so much mess our Ummah ius actually in & with the guidance we have been blessed with requires us to be patient&do dawah with wisdom .

So tell me, ALL ABOUT IT - but in another thread, thanks. :D

We are not under Islamic golden times when knowledge is rampant & everything is looking clear.

Are you serious? Knowledge was "rampant" ???? :D wow, did it breed too? Honestly - talk of Islamic Golden Age is usually misunderstood by Muslims because they cannot even understand that not one scholar of Islam made any contributions towards the golden age which also filtered through to the renaissance period, and in turn - the technological revolution - nope - instead it was regular Joe Public who was Muslim and had interests in the sciences, math, pmedicine etc etc who took it to the heights we recognise as Golden Age today.

And during that age - so MANY Muslims didn't know how to even spell their own names, so i do wonder what you're talking about exactly~?

YOU LOOK AROUND - what do you see? Today the whole world is experiencing a Golden Age where information is at our fingertips and knowledge abounds and learning in most nations is free. Where education is the norm in society and not the ignorance which gave rise to something we all recognise as the Golden Age which saw the end of ignorance in learning across the West.

Please put more thought into your posts when addressing me, thank you.

To add to our calamity, we are in end times ignorance & with loads of fitan upon fitan over our Ummah.

So,let's deal practically, give him time to think,understand, question,ponder& seek guidance from ALLAH Ta'ala!

Oh you wanna talk about end times :) be my guest - but again DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD :D keep this one on topic. Thank you

Scimi

[*charisma*]

before I kept everything to myself but now I'm openly defying Islam and mocking it without remorse, I don't want to but it happens when we are discussing Islam at uni

Seems like you lost more than faith..seems you lost some human decency as well. Why mock something you don't understand? Lots of those who don't believe in religion like to argue that they don't need religion to have morals..so where are yours? Or is it of good morals to be disrespectful towards other's beliefs? At the very least, following islam would iron that out for you.

Now with the many topics that you've presented, it seems your issue is ignorance and somewhat of an anger problem. So if we explained these things to you, will you believe or will something else be holding you back as well? Because I haven't seen any enlightening responses from you thus far other than threats to leave the religion or this "chat". Have you actually put any effort in finding legitimate answers to your questions? If so, what do you know so far?

And why do you not want to be created? It seems that you're angry about something that triggered all of this, and that there's more here than meets the eye.

[Khanali12]

yeah I'm ignorant, have a nice day akhi's

bye

[Scimitar]

yeah I'm ignorant, have a nice day akhi's

bye

WOW,

your exit strategy was predicted. We see many like you come and go when they cannot prove their point and instead make appeals to emotion :D and their escapist strategy was no different to yours.

Remember this experience - you aint as smart as you claimed you was cupcake. You didn't prove even one point, bought no evidence to the table and didn't even entertain our proofs - instead all you did was put your hands over your ears and shut your eyes didn't you?

Your ignorance doesn't serve you, it only makes you look stupid, while you stroke your ego to feel better. Sad. Pathetic even.

So I guess it's Good bye to Bad rubbish eh?

Scimi

[Serinity]

:salam:

If you truly seek Guidance from Allah :swt: then ask the questions that give you doubt, right now.

One by one. We will, in shaa' Allah, answer them all.

Allahu alam

[azc]

As the title says, i want to believe but i can't, i've reached to a point now where i don't really care.

share what you don't care

[SoldierAmatUllah]

yeah I'm ignorant, have a nice day akhi's

bye

I get you& will be more than willing to help you understand, InshaALLAH

Avoid these negative people there are many practicing amongst us & turn people towards hell.

I have thought alot on why are we created etc&what if we will be in hell?

May ALLAH protect me!

Simple answer is-hell exists....i Iisted proofs of it in 2009 Aug&suffered fearful episodes ,so if I can find that article, will post it .

So,when it exists, we beg ALLAH & cry & do deeds that Pleases Him .

You know these tyrants,kings of world,they punish in prisons,torture cells so ALLAH Ta'ala, The Greatest King&Most Just only Punishes because of some real reasons.Not a least bit He is Unjust for hereafter!

ALLAH Ta'ala is "Most Merciful" without a doubt .Don't be so reluctant to turn to Him&find out about Him but from good people

If you discuss Islam at uni ,then there are very bad brats all over who actually "DON'T WANT" to accept Islam or turn others away .The fact you are here&sticking to vdos on YouTube lectures etc shows something! InshaALLAH

Again,take your time & make Du'a at midnight to ALLAH Ta'ala, to show you a sign or signs .....


You wll be amazed!

This is my personal experience & with intellect & research, I found Islam &through fear of hereafter.


May ALLAH show you a beautiful sign from Him to prove to you about His Mercy on you& Islam's Truth & evil company that you associate with!

[azc]

I've been reading dozens of threads on this forum relating to my problem over the course of the last several years, only today I've created a thread of my own.I have also watched hundreds of hours of Islamic lectures online and they don't sit with me well at all.why did Allah create me, knowing that I would eventually disbelieve a thus thrown me into hell? I didn't ask to be created!how can a man claiming to be a prophet marry a 9 year old? isn't that paedophilia? what's the justification? (no justification imo at all)Also his claims of splitting the moon in two ? as well as 'ascending' to heaven on a flying horse? what about his(and other sahaba/caliphates) orders of stoning various people for various 'crimes' such as adultery? why couldn't he leave it to allah instead?

perhaps you've read filthy books or articles or have watched lectures of atheists..? All Qs can be addressed here if you are sincere to know the answers and believe in Islam but if you've already decided that you will not try to understand and if you are reluctant to accept that you can be wrong then none can convince you in the entire world

[azc]

I know what you're getting at but I don't think I actually do, before I kept everything to myself but now I'm openly defying Islam and mocking it without remorse, I don't want to but it happens when we are discussing Islam at uniI've come t the conclusion that belief is not a choice, I have tried my very best to no avail.

this is your fault that you didn't study Islam and nor practiced upon it sincerely. It was your duty to convince your friends at uni instead of being confused or misled by them.

[azc]

where did I say I don't believe in god? I believe in a creator, just not Islam and its interpretation.aren't you going t address my questions? if not then I guess Islam and me are going to part ways, for good.

do you abide by the laws of your country or defy the laws..? If you defy, will you be punished or not ? If you are punished and sent into jail, then, is it justice or cruelty ?

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

My dear sis, while I respect your persistence and patience in helping this person, Allahu Alem where his intentions lie; he could be a troll for all we know. For someone who is a student at a university, I would have expected some maturity and etiquette in his interactions here, especially when he is coming to get some answers for his own benefit. Instead, we have someone with juvenile behavior who boasts mocking a religion and his demand for answers all while being relentlessly whiny. So with that being said, anyone who is seeking help/advice/answers needs to humble himself somewhat at least to be open to receiving the message that so many of us put our hearts and time into. Even nonMuslims come here with some knowledge and formable arguments, so why is he unlearned?? I guess that university education is out the window.

[Khanali12]

share what you don't care

Assalamu Alaikum,

My dear sis, while I respect your persistence and patience in helping this person, Allahu Alem where his intentions lie; he could be a troll for all we know. For someone who is a student at a university, I would have expected some maturity and etiquette in his interactions here, especially when he is coming to get some answers for his own benefit. Instead, we have someone with juvenile behavior who boasts mocking a religion and his demand for answers all while being relentlessly whiny. So with that being said, anyone who is seeking help/advice/answers needs to humble himself somewhat at least to be open to receiving the message that so many of us put our hearts and time into. Even nonMuslims come here with some knowledge and formable arguments, so why is he unlearned?? I guess that university education is out the window.

No, i am not a troll.

[Khanali12]

share what you don't care

do you abide by the laws of your country or defy the laws..? If you defy, will you be punished or not ? If you are punished and sent into jail, then, is it justice or cruelty ?

Well if you break the rules in the uk, you're not stoned to death for sure

[SoldierAmatUllah]

I used to hate the fact that i was not like everyone else, who simply accepted islam without question. Now i don't really care that i've apostated - i no longer fear the prospect of hell or Allah.

You read my post ?
#26

I'm Paki&know brats in Unis etc.

These people are very superior maybe, born into hi Fi Muslims families.,bred with Deen ,that's why no conduct or kindness even many repel kuffar let alone you or others. ....there are many questioning like you & there's a thing called Duhayma fitan..... It's happening to whole Ummah!


Discuss with me or @Serinity .....InshaALLAH, we will try to answer you but first do what I asked you !


I'm myself amazed how many practicing Muslims turns out whereas we didn't know in schools a single practicing Muslim&nor families not society.

Then what's understood by word Ghurabaa? "Strangers" as Narrated in Hadeeth.


Islam is strange,its similar stage of earliest generation &so are we!

There are only few of the few true Muslims who practice Deen&are knowledgeable in its proofs-grounded in knowledge.

There's nothing like blind faith-It has nothing to do with ISLAM

[Khanali12]

WOW,

your exit strategy was predicted. We see many like you come and go when they cannot prove their point and instead make appeals to emotion :D and their escapist strategy was no different to yours.

Remember this experience - you aint as smart as you claimed you was cupcake. You didn't prove even one point, bought no evidence to the table and didn't even entertain our proofs - instead all you did was put your hands over your ears and shut your eyes didn't you?

Your ignorance doesn't serve you, it only makes you look stupid, while you stroke your ego to feel better. Sad. Pathetic even.

So I guess it's Good bye to Bad rubbish eh?

Scimi

know muslims and they always mock the unbelievers and other religions ---.

I thought the thread title had already made it clear that i am no longer muslim, so i was not 'threatening' to leave the religion as i've already left... 4 years ago as already stated. I said i would leave the thread as some people are just plain rude

[Khanali12]

WOW,

your exit strategy was predicted. We see many like you come and go when they cannot prove their point and instead make appeals to emotion :D and their escapist strategy was no different to yours.

Remember this experience - you aint as smart as you claimed you was cupcake. You didn't prove even one point, bought no evidence to the table and didn't even entertain our proofs - instead all you did was put your hands over your ears and shut your eyes didn't you?

Your ignorance doesn't serve you, it only makes you look stupid, while you stroke your ego to feel better. Sad. Pathetic even.

So I guess it's Good bye to Bad rubbish eh?

Scimi

No, you yourself come across as arogant as well as intimidating.

Why don't you answer my questions without asking other questions?

And what i meant was that i am not convinced by what i've seen or read, i didn't claim i know it all! Again you are jumping to conclusions like a fool.

I may not be the smartest person around, but that's not my fault as Allah created me that way... remember?

[SoldierAmatUllah]

You read my post ?
#26

I'm Paki&know brats in Unis etc.

These people are very superior maybe, born into hi Fi Muslims families.,bred with Deen ,that's why no conduct or kindness even many repel kuffar let alone you or others. ....there are many questioning like you & there's a thing called Duhayma fitan..... It's happening to whole Ummah!


Discuss with me or @Serinity .....InshaALLAH, we will try to answer you but first do what I asked you !


I'm myself amazed how many practicing Muslims turns out whereas we didn't know in schools a single practicing Muslim&nor families not society.

Then what's understood by word Ghurabaa? "Strangers" as Narrated in Hadeeth.


Islam is strange,its similar stage of earliest generation &so are we!

There are only few of the few true Muslims who practice Deen&are knowledgeable in its proofs-grounded in knowledge.

There's nothing like blind faith-It has nothing to do with ISLAM

However you should ask in decent manner ....from where you're coming from & Duhayma fitan attacking everyone in Ummah,your victimised .....due to it .


And that's what you should think before posting .....you know respectfully ,InshaALLAH

[Khanali12]

Ok i cba to requote everyone else, my bad

[Khanali12]

However you should ask in decent manner ....from where you're coming from & Duhayma fitan attacking everyone in Ummah,your victimised .....due to it .


And that's what you should think before posting .....you know respectfully ,InshaALLAH

I don't understand your posts.

[SoldierAmatUllah]

I don't understand your posts.

Read #26

[SoldierAmatUllah]

https://www.missionislam.com/science/physics.htm


Read this

[Khanali12]

Read #26

What exactly did i say that offended people on here?

[SoldierAmatUllah]

Very Important regarding your issue.Its faced by mostly best of Momineen & I personally know them .It does involves Imaan&kufr thoughts or feelings for the people I know due to their trials ,feeling despair,feeling ALLAH hates me or give up Islam,thoughts of apostasy etc .I actually talked to these youngsters & they seemed good & in private messages,telling me of their waswas & how they feel etc.

It's happening to almost everyone,as its Narrated in authentic hadeeth. Some have realized it & are working to give its awareness &are terrified ,others are oblivious to it or when it slaps them ,then they get this worry! Or maybe it's happening, just they don't know!

❝Several of the Salaf were quoted as saying when Fitan come, only very, very, very few will see the truth. When there is Fitan, only few of the few of the few will know how to analyse them. Make Istighāthah to be amongst them or at least see the reality of the Fitan. After time passes on Fitan and they end, then everyone will see the reality of what the few were trying to tell them. That is what happens during all Fitan. The problem for many is that after they see the reality, they have already lost their Deen.❞

~ Shaykh Ahmad Jibrīl(حفظه الله)


What is Duhayma fitan?

From 'AbdUllah ibn 'Umar, radhiyAllahu 'anhu, who said: "We were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, salAllahu 'alayhi wa-sallam, and he mentioned the fitan, and mentioned many of them, until he mentioned the fitnah of al-Ahlas.

So someone said: "O Messenger of Allah, and what is the fitnah of al-Ahlas?" He said: "It is fleeing and plunder.

Then the fitnah of as-Sarra', its corruption will from under the feet of a man from my household, who claims to be from me, but he is not from me, for my allies are only the pious.

Then the people will unite on the leadership of a man like a hip-bone on a rib. Then the fitnah of ad-Duhayma', which will not leave a single one from this Ummah without giving him a slap. Whenever it is said that it has finished, it will continue longer

. A man during it will be a mu'min in the morning and a kafir in the evening, until the people become two camps, a camp of faith with no hypocrisy, and a camp of hypocrisy with no faith. When that happens, then await the Dajjal on that day or the next."

Narrated by Abu Dawud, kitab al-fitan.



Brief explanation of Duhayma fitan:

Fitan of Duhayma includes calamities as tantamount to Imaan for the strong believers & likewise for every Muslim.

It involves evil desires led by calamities&continuous trials&till people are shaken in Imaan-

Doubts get in the way of all those claiming Islam.

And people whoever will be saved from ALLAH Ta'ala's favour will be saved from being drowned in this fitan&its a fitan that's long.-

In this fitan,people are shaken tremendously, with thoughts about ALLAH Ta'ala.

Sometimes through major calamities & sometimes through minor.

And then other things that leads to pure shaking trembling of best of Muslims&that's when we have heard from many people that such&such has fallen bcs some give in&others continue struggle&all aid is with ALLAH Ta'ala.

May ALLAH Ta'ala protect the ones who were apples of eyes of pious as those knowing it's dangers are horrified&terrorised.


But victory is for ALLAH Ta'ala & His Prophet PBUH & those who despite all calamities busy themselves with Repentance&Tawheed treading the path to victory after hardships.

Such will be sifted as momineen&others without Imaan on the end of Duhayma

.I seek protection of ALLAH Ta'ala for myself,my immediate family &my best friends far&may ALLAH Ta'ala have mercy on Sana Al Harbee ,RahimUllah.Aameen

Nourish your soul with Tawheed&glorifying ALLAH Ta'ala for this will beautify you outwardly though after trials&patience/reliance & then Outward beauty.

Trust ALLAH Ta'ala, The One ,truthfully if it's He who you Worship.

Dear sisters who I support&respected brothers who are down.

With Tawheed,you can achieve anything you want.



Since,I'm repenting & in midstof horrible trials ,reading more on this fitan is very beneficial,biidhnIllah!


I advise all to keep wary of the Duhayma fitan which is the Greatest fitan before Dajjal! May ALLAH Ta'ala forgive us all & guide us towards righteous path&good end!

Please don't be oblivious to Fitan lest it consumes you!

From an authentic site:

Reference is At-Tuwaijari's Itihaf al-Jama'ah, I, pp. 75-81 (may Allah be merciful with him):

Chapter: What Has been Related Regarding a Fitna that Will Sweep the Arabs Away

Upon 'Abdullah ibn Amr (may Allah be pleased with them both) who said: The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:

"There will be a fitna that will cleanse (tastanzifu) the Arabs - its dead will be in the Hellfire. During this time the tongue will be more severe (ashad) than a blow of the sword."

Reported by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah. At-Tirmidhi said that this hadith is gharib

At-Tuwaijari then comments on the narrators of this narration and after concluding that the hadith is hasan he proceeds to explain it as follows:

"[Regarding the Prophet's] statement 'cleanse the Arabs,' Ibn Al-Athir and Ibn Al-Manzur have said: It means it will encompass them in destruction.
End of Tujawiris words.

Regarding the Arabs killed in hell means those who will divert from right path,who Will doubt ,or not trust ALLAH Ta'ala & live on Tawheed.
The rest those who are killed on Deen will be InshaALLAH, Shuhada as they been slaughtered by kuffar

This fitan comes at times with greatest calamities being upon Deen,shaking faith & to some get caught in fitan during little calamities.

MANY momineen are suffering greatest degree of tortures & many people without Imaan also suffers alot of calamities. That's why successful is the one who clings to Deen like it was mentioned that a time will come when clinging to Deen will be as handling a burning coal.

That Includes extreme calamities & evil world appealing so whoever will stand strong ,seekingseeking help of ALLAH Ta'ala & fall & strive again will be under mercy of ALLAH Ta'ala.

[SoldierAmatUllah]

What exactly did i say that offended people on here?

Ok you spoke disrespectfully reg.Prophet PBUH.... & that was what I found very wrong too but I decided to deal with it because he had a spotless character.....the vdo link I gave you ....please listen to it ,seeking ALLAH's guidance, InshaALLAH


Reg.your questioning about why you're created etc ...some do get these questions, so again only people of knowledge should be asked as others will put you off from Islam&I'm myself a layman .....but Alhamdull'ILLAH, understanding of what times we are living in.

[SoldierAmatUllah]

Excellent post from another thread!

@Umm Malik


If you did sins its not the end of life. .. Allah still Merciful and forgiving ... And Allah balance our life to be afraid when we do sin but not to despair from the Mercy of Allah .. And to think good in Allah but not to do whatever we want without care
If you left Islam ... You will see how much you lose
Subhanallah if everyone give every thing to let me think that there is no God,I won't believe with that ... You know why ? Because in my life ...after I chose to be a Muslim ... I was Muslim yes before ... But I become a true Muslim after my repantence and after that ... Every event in my life get a witness that there is ALLAH... A great God who control my life ... Amazing thing unbelievable .. Sometimes I just stop and say ... LA ilaha illa Allah .. Subhanallah! Another proof from my RABB
Try to be a good Muslim as you can .. But you would be sin and you just need to make a sincere repantence and to promise yourself to try to don't do it again but if you do it as a weak human you need to repeat it again and again and Allah will forgive you
Don't lose hop and ask Allah's guidance he will guide you
Ramadan is near ... don't left Islam be for you pass it
Fast and ask Allah and don't be rash
You aren't going to a thing you think it may be the truth and you may lose it or die before you convert to it ... it just disbelief ... so take your time before you left something can be lose to something as nothing

[SoldierAmatUllah]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HFmMRXnUYTM


Reg.marriage life of Prophet Mohammed PBUH

_Reg.miracle of Moon split-It was seen by some rulers in Hind & he reverted to Islam .

Ascent to heaven -Do you know NDE (Near death experiences)exist!&One of Sahabas himself has experienced it .

It's actually proved by Muslims & science & Islamic history ....such a great phenomena that exists by ALLAH's Permit.

So,when ordinary people can witness such things then how come ascension to heavens on flying horse in reality by a Prophet -a man on whom Qur'an was revealed could not get it?!



Qur'an itself has soooo many proofs of Truthful ness from science to history to do many aspects of life !

So,be careful &do research, InshaALLAH

Yes,Alhamdull'ILLAH, I'm a Muslim!

@Khanali12

[azc]

Well if you break the rules in the uk, you're not stoned to death for sure

So you agree that if someone defies the laws and revolt against his own country or having been influenced by enemies becomes a traitor then if he is sentenced life imprisonment or death penalty, will be justice. only a nutcase can say it's injustice.

Likewise those who revolt against the laws of Allah swt revealed in Quran will be sentenced life imprisonment in hell. and hell is a different type of jail.

[Serinity]

I don't understand your posts.

IN Islam there is no such thing as "Blind belief" in Islam we THINK and Believe. You know? Balance between HEART and MIND. The atheists only use their BRAINS but ignore their fitrah / heart.

The Christians only use their hearts, and ignore their intellect. In ISLAM we are COMMANDED to use our brains, to THINK. And we are also commanded /encouraged to STUDY the creation of Allah, and see whatever being or kind Allah :swt: has created. AFAIK.

WHICH other religion says this??? To USE YOUR INTELLECT to FIND ALLAH??

I ask you, bring your questions in bullet-form, like this:

1.
2.
3.

WE will answer you. Don't block your heart, nor your brain.

Allahu alam.

[Scimitar]

Khanali - it's confidence - you're the one who came into this forum with arrogant and ignorant perceptions of Islam cupcake - don't forget that.

Scimi

[Scimitar]

know muslims and they always mock the unbelievers and other religions ---.

I thought the thread title had already made it clear that i am no longer muslim, so i was not 'threatening' to leave the religion as i've already left... 4 years ago as already stated. I said i would leave the thread as some people are just plain rude

:D

So why are you here?

To troll? There is no other reason for you to be here if you have already left Islam and don't care for it, is there?

Are you really this idiotic that you would join a Muslim forum after apostating - to complain about Islam and think we all gonna be like "hi welcome have some tea and biscuits, here"???? heck no.

Instead we would expect you to make a case for yourself, which you have not done. We would expect you to provide some genuine lines of inquiry but NO, you didn't do that, we'd expect you to be mature and respectful in your posts but NO, and again we'd expect you to be informed enough to make an informed decision to leave Islam - and that's where you really showed your ignorance.

So yeah, keep acting like a butt hurt teenager. An escapist. A cowardly being who doesn't even have the courage of his own conviction, nor any knowledge with which his arguments can hold any weight lol.

You are what I call, a dense moron.

Have a nice day.

Scimi

[SoldierAmatUllah]

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=18285

Make an account here & try reading these articles!
All the best!

[islamocurious]

You say that Allah controls everything and your destiny has been determined by Allah and yet he has given you free choice[emoji57]

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you islamocurious;

You say that Allah controls everything and your destiny has been determined by Allah and yet he has given you free choice[emoji57]

I think we all bang our heads against the wall, when we try and understand our creator. After all he had the knowledge and power to create the universe and life, what can we do by comparison?

It has been said that a theologian is someone who knows about God. It has also been said that theologians reveal more of their own nature, rather than they reveal anything about the nature of God.

In order to find God, We have to do SOMETHING.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric

[islamocurious]

I was born into religion, educated and trained to develop the 'critical thinking' part of my brain. The more I study and understand religion; the more questions I have. The definition of 'faith' (belief without evidence) is driving towards?....

[Scimitar]

You say that Allah controls everything and your destiny has been determined by Allah and yet he has given you free choice[emoji57]

:)

seemingly an irony eh?

John wakes up and doesn't know what he will eat for lunch.

At lunch time he goes to his local deli to eat. He has many choices. But he likes three options.

1) the chicken sandwich
2) the beef stew
3) the shepherds pie

He has the free will to determine which he will eat. But the predestination of each choice - is already known by God.

For example: God knows that should John choose option:

1) the chicken sandwich, he will get a stomach ache later in the day
2) the beef stew, he will be fine and the meal will benefit his body
3) the shepherds pie, he will get a migraine at night

So John has free will, but the predestination of each choice is already known by God.

:)

The idea being, God allows us to make our own decisions but each decision we make, falls under HIS will because HE is the Master of each reality, whether manifest or not.

God bless,

Scimi

[Scimitar]

I was born into religion, educated and trained to develop the 'critical thinking' part of my brain. The more I study and understand religion; the more questions I have. The definition of 'faith' (belief without evidence) is driving towards?....

Faith without reason is blind, and science without faith, is crippled, and logic without sincerity, is deception.

Scimi

[anatolian]

You say that Allah controls everything and your destiny has been determined by Allah and yet he has given you free choice[emoji57]

So your point is Allah doesnt control everything and our destiny has not been determined by Allah or He has not given us free choice ?

[Scimitar]

I already answered her and am now awaiting her reply to my post - so we can progress this discussion, thank you

Scimi

[*charisma*]

@Khanali12 ,

I suggest you go through this thread once more and focus on those who have genuinely replied to your inquires instead of arguing with Scimi. I know you want to "save face" but put effort into what your initial intent was because actions speak louder than words here. I can't judge you based on your real intentions right? But this thread is turning into a joke rather than an actual discussion. Sis noraina, br. Eric, azc and others have replied to you in hopes that there'd be a discussion, but you are ignoring them. For that reason, I'm closing this thread. My suggestion to you is to choose a question and make a thread specifically about it, highlighting what you already know about the topic and what you don't understand. Do it respectfully, and you'll see you'll be treated the same in return. If you have any questions regarding this, please PM me or any of the other mods.

:threadclo