Hanafi praying behind shafi?

[Slaveofthelord]

As'salam mu'aliekum

I follow the hanafi madhab, on the bottom of my road is a masjid... the imam and a lot of the followers are shafi madhab...

Is it allowed to pray behind shafi imam if you follow hanafi madhab?


If i do pray in the shafi masjid i pray all salahs there apart from ASR salah.

Because asr times vary between hanafi and shafi..

Also there are hanafi masjids but slightly more further away which i go for asr and sometimes other prayers

[AabiruSabeel]

:wasalam:

Yes, you can pray all the five prayers behind a Shaf'i imam, there is nothing wrong with that. Even 'Asr, you can pray behind him.

[Scimitar]

There is absolutely no reason not to pray salaat behind an imam from another school of thought.

All four schools agree totally on theology and practice of Islam. The differences are so minor that they are not even worth entertaining :)

Scimi

[Muslimah inshal]

What's the meaning of hanafi madhab and shafi madhab ? I don't really know what it is

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[Slaveofthelord]

Thanks everyone for their comments i remember i asked an imam and he told me if you follow hanafi madhab then you have to stick to the ASR time in hanafi... because shafis have a different time for praying asr...

So i can pray all other salahs in a shafi masjid apart from ASR because if you follow hanafi then you cant switch to a shafi when it suits you..

[Slaveofthelord]

What's the meaning of hanafi madhab and shafi madhab ? I don't really know what it is

As far as i know there are 4 schools of thoughts which came originally from 4 different imams who were very knowledeable in islam... all which are correct teachings of islam but with different opinions in some sittuations.

For e.g
Hanafis dont read surah fatiha behind the imam because they believe the imams recitation is = to your own own recitation..

Shafis believe you SHOULD read surah fatiha behind the imam even if he reads it... etc

Also the hanafi have a different timings compared to shafi for ASR prayer (1 hour difference where i live)

They both have their evidences to back their opinions therfore they are both right.. and which ever school of thought you follow you should follow it strictly.

And not to mix and match opinions based on your desires and whats suits you and is more convenient... because then your following your desires and not islam

........................

Correct me if i am wrong anybody im not a scholar

[AabiruSabeel]

if you follow hanafi then you cant switch to a shafi when it suits you..

In principle, this is true. One cannot pick and choose whichever is more suitable for himself based on convenience. Each school of thought is based on a set methodology to derive the rulings from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Once we follow a method, we have to be consistent.

In case of Asr, the Hanafi school itself has two different rulings; one that of Imam Abu Hanifah :rh: and the other that of his two main students, Imam Abu Yusuf :rh: and Imam Muhammad :rh:.

Mufti Ismail Moosa says:

You have two options in this case:

1) You either follow the view of Imam Abu Hanifa (may Allah be pleased with him) and strictly adhere to that ruling. In this case, you perform your own prayer in Asr time. Praying Asr in Shafi time will not be valid,

2) You follow the view of the two students of Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad (may Allah be pleased with them all). In this case, the time of Asr for you will always be according to Shafi time. If ever you delay Dhuhr until that time, the Dhuhr prayer will be Qadha.

Both the above views are valid in the Hanafi Madhab, but you can only choose and practice on one.

If you follow the first view, you can join the Asr jamaat with the intention of Nafl prayers. Thus, you will pray Asr once the time of Asr sets in. Likewise, you cannot be the Imam and you cannot pray alone in this time.

If you follow the second view, you may join the Asr prayer and would not have to repeat the prayer later, you can lead the prayer, and you may also pray Asr individually in Shafi time.

Source: http://islamqa.org/hanafi/fatwaa-dot-com/79986

[Scimitar]

I hear adhan, I go into masjid - care not what maddhab,

Scimi

[ZeeshanParvez]

As'salam mu'aliekum

I follow the hanafi madhab, on the bottom of my road is a masjid... the imam and a lot of the followers are shafi madhab...

Is it allowed to pray behind shafi imam if you follow hanafi madhab?


If i do pray in the shafi masjid i pray all salahs there apart from ASR salah.

Because asr times vary between hanafi and shafi..

Also there are hanafi masjids but slightly more further away which i go for asr and sometimes other prayers

Everyone has given you the correct answer.

However, if you were to ask a Hanafi he would give you another reason not to pray behind a Shaafi'i Imaam.

Hanafi's believe that if blood comes out your Wuduu breaks. Shaafi'i's do not believe bleeding to break the Wuduu.

If the Shaafi'i Imaam bled prior to the prayer he would not renew his Wuduu. He would lead the prayer like that.

According to your Madhab, the Hanafi Madhab, Wuduu breaks when one bleeds. Your prayer would be invalid because you followed an Imaam whose Wuduu is not intact according to the Hanafi Madhab.

This is another line of reasoning presented by Hanafis to discourage from praying behind Shaafi'i Imaams.

It was the case in the past; you see it today as well.

[Slaveofthelord]

Everyone has given you the correct answer.

However, if you were to ask a Hanafi he would give you another reason not to pray behind a Shaafi'i Imaam.

Hanafi's believe that if blood comes out your Wuduu breaks. Shaafi'i's do not believe bleeding to break the Wuduu.

If the Shaafi'i Imaam bled prior to the prayer he would not renew his Wuduu. He would lead the prayer like that.

According to your Madhab, the Hanafi Madhab, Wuduu breaks when one bleeds. Your prayer would be invalid because you followed an Imaam whose Wuduu is not intact according to the Hanafi Madhab.

This is another line of reasoning presented by Hanafis to discourage from praying behind Shaafi'i Imaams.

It was the case in the past; you see it today as well.

That is a good point you made reguarding the bleeding..

The imam who leads the prayer in my hanafi masjid who also leads friday prayers and kutba... he said im allowed to pray behind the shafis execpt asr... everyone here says you can read behind shafis ... so it looks like most people would agree its okay to pray behind a imam following a different madhab..

U made a point about the bleeding ..and that hanafis would use it as way to discourage people to NOT pray behind shafis... so is my prayer less rewardable for praying behind a shafi ? Then behind a hanafi?

[Slaveofthelord]

In principle, this is true. One cannot pick and choose whichever is more suitable for himself based on convenience. Each school of thought is based on a set methodology to derive the rulings from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Once we follow a method, we have to be consistent.

In case of Asr, the Hanafi school itself has two different rulings; one that of Imam Abu Hanifah :rh: and the other that of his two main students, Imam Abu Yusuf :rh: and Imam Muhammad :rh:.

Mufti Ismail Moosa says:

You have two options in this case:

1) You either follow the view of Imam Abu Hanifa (may Allah be pleased with him) and strictly adhere to that ruling. In this case, you perform your own prayer in Asr time. Praying Asr in Shafi time will not be valid,

2) You follow the view of the two students of Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad (may Allah be pleased with them all). In this case, the time of Asr for you will always be according to Shafi time. If ever you delay Dhuhr until that time, the Dhuhr prayer will be Qadha.

Both the above views are valid in the Hanafi Madhab, but you can only choose and practice on one.

If you follow the first view, you can join the Asr jamaat with the intention of Nafl prayers. Thus, you will pray Asr once the time of Asr sets in. Likewise, you cannot be the Imam and you cannot pray alone in this time.

If you follow the second view, you may join the Asr prayer and would not have to repeat the prayer later, you can lead the prayer, and you may also pray Asr individually in Shafi time.

Source: http://islamqa.org/hanafi/fatwaa-dot-com/79986

Thanks for the information brother

[azc]

As'salam mu'aliekum

I follow the hanafi madhab, on the bottom of my road is a masjid... the imam and a lot of the followers are shafi madhab...

Is it allowed to pray behind shafi imam if you follow hanafi madhab?


If i do pray in the shafi masjid i pray all salahs there apart from ASR salah.

Because asr times vary between hanafi and shafi..

Also there are hanafi masjids but slightly more further away which i go for asr and sometimes other prayers

undoubtedly you can pray behind shafi'i imam.

According to hadith Even the imam the imam is fasiq and fajir don't leave the congregational salah let alone salafi/shafi imam

[azc]

As'salam mu'aliekum

I follow the hanafi madhab, on the bottom of my road is a masjid... the imam and a lot of the followers are shafi madhab...

Is it allowed to pray behind shafi imam if you follow hanafi madhab?


If i do pray in the shafi masjid i pray all salahs there apart from ASR salah.

Because asr times vary between hanafi and shafi..

Also there are hanafi masjids but slightly more further away which i go for asr and sometimes other prayers

Everyone has given you the correct answer.

However, if you were to ask a Hanafi he would give you another reason not to pray behind a Shaafi'i Imaam.

Hanafi's believe that if blood comes out your Wuduu breaks. Shaafi'i's do not believe bleeding to break the Wuduu.

If the Shaafi'i Imaam bled prior to the prayer he would not renew his Wuduu. He would lead the prayer like that.

According to your Madhab, the Hanafi Madhab, Wuduu breaks when one bleeds. Your prayer would be invalid because you followed an Imaam whose Wuduu is not intact according to the Hanafi Madhab.

This is another line of reasoning presented by Hanafis to discourage from praying behind Shaafi'i Imaams.

It was the case in the past; you see it today as well.

if the would is bleeding of a shafi imam, most probably he will go the doctor instead of praying salah.

In case bleeding starts while leading the salah then hanafi muqtadi will repeat the salah if he comes to know about bleeding.

No big deal.

Are you shafi or salafi ?

[azc]

That is a good point you made reguarding the bleeding..

The imam who leads the prayer in my hanafi masjid who also leads friday prayers and kutba... he said im allowed to pray behind the shafis execpt asr... everyone here says you can read behind shafis ... so it looks like most people would agree its okay to pray behind a imam following a different madhab..

U made a point about the bleeding ..and that hanafis would use it as way to discourage people to NOT pray behind shafis... so is my prayer less rewardable for praying behind a shafi ? Then behind a hanafi?

in case you see the imam is going to lead the salah while bleeding, help him to take any nearby hospital.

Be practical.

No need to delve into differences of imams