US attacks Syrian Army

[Simple_Person]

https://www.rt.com/news/383785-us-missiles-syrian-army/

US is pushing it towards WW3. When you observe closely, they do not wait for proof or investigation who has done this. What does this say? This means, they KNOW Syrian Army has nothing to do with this. They have planned it themselves.

Just look for example at Erdogan and the false flag coup. There was so called "coup"aka false flag coup and suddenly within 1 week a list of all Gulen supporters and Kurds etc was applied. I mean huh? How in the world can somebody in such a short amount of time have such a list? In other words he already had made up and investigated who were Gulen-supporters and needed so reason to get rid of them.

This is EXACTLY what has happened right now in Syria.

[Abz2000]

Allah knows best who carried out the chemical weapons attack in syria, and after the "saddam's wmd" accusations, we know that we cannot rely on kaafir media reports alone. However, there is definitive proof that the american government used chemical weapons in vietnam and iraq, now the people of america and their allies have rushed to judgement and aggression, therefore it would not be unreasonable to punish america and her allies with acid rain. Request submitted. Hide under rocks america and allies.
Wrath of lamb imminent - InshaAllah

http://www.democracynow.org/stories/6411

[Simple_Person]

Every time i read those horrible things, i am remember this..

“This my Ummah, is a Ummah that has mercy upon it, ‘Marhooma’- a Ummah that has mercy that’s been wrapped in Mercies; there is no punishment for this Ummah in the Hereafter except their punishment that they experience in the Dunya — killing and death and dying, trials and tribulations, earthquakes and the like.” And the wording of Abu Dawud is : ‘This Ummah reminds of the Ummah, that Allaah has placed His mercy upon. This Ummah will not have any punishment in the Hereafter, this punishment is in this world with fitn, trials, tribulations and punishments and difficulties, and earthquakes and killings, murder, death.. like this."

Source used: https://abdurrahman.org/2014/01/08/g...reater-reward/

Indeed the punishment of this world has ALWAYS a relieve which is death, however the punishment of the hereafter...May Allah protect us from it and make it haram for us to taste even a microsecond of that punishment. Just thinking about it..there is no end..no death that will relieve you from the punishment. Then looking at what we Muslims are facing right now and have been facing for some time is like a walk in the park.

[Simple_Person]

so so..the rats finally is out the bag one could say..

https://www.rt.com/news/383832-turke...a-no-fly-zone/

Often we need to look at the ones who will benefit from the attack..Turkey indeed will benefit from it tremendously to push their agenda of safe zone. Safe zone not to safeguard refugees, but to prevent Kurds uniting..in other words they don't care about refugees all they care about is nationalism. I have read that the Kurds also have said, let the safe zone be within Kurdish territory, however the Turks objected that. In other words, again they do not care about refugees all nationalism.

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[sister herb]

https://www.rt.com/news/383785-us-missiles-syrian-army/

US is pushing it towards WW3. When you observe closely, they do not wait for proof or investigation who has done this. What does this say? This means, they KNOW Syrian Army has nothing to do with this. They have planned it themselves.

Based your information to the Russian news site, knowing that Russia supports Syrian army and president in this conflict, doesn´t give you all details. Don´t you think that news from Russia are nowadays very anti-USA and pro-Assad style?

We don´t need to wait from the investigation too much - Russia will ensures that the evidencies they find will prove the friends of Russia (Assad and his army) are innocent like a new born babies for this gas attack.

[Simple_Person]

Based your information to the Russian news site, knowing that Russia supports Syrian army and president in this conflict, doesn´t give you all details. Don´t you think that news from Russia are nowadays very anti-USA and pro-Assad style?

We don´t need to wait from the investigation too much - Russia will ensures that the evidencies they find will prove the friends of Russia (Assad and his army) are innocent like a new born babies for this gas attack.

I read RT, not because i like RT, but because till now all the other western media is telling me a story, but no evidence to back up what they are telling me. However even though i read the news on RT, doesn't mean i agree automatically. I ask questions. As said in my other posts, i follow logic, rationality and reason. I ask questions and follow that road.

If the Syrian Army or Russia let's say have committed that chemical attack, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!! Syrian Army has said they have given up all their chemical weapons, i take that with a grain of salt. However again, how stupid would they be to use chemical weapons if they are still having them.

Look at this website
https://isis.liveuamap.com/ (strange today it is kind of broken it seems)

Anyways, there you can see all the continues victories and news feeds from each group. After the talks between Russia, Syrian Army, Turkey.. there was a peace treaty between them. However Turkish army was caged in and not be able to go further down south and conquer more territory. They wanted to go east and conquer manbij, however the Kurds gave certain amount of villages to the Syrian Army to act as a buffer zone between them and the Turks. So they were caged in. No victories further more. Other parts of Free Syrian Army and other groups also were losing or were not moving one bit. ISIS was losing ground, as you could have seen on the map (i hope it goes back online soon). Syrian Army with help of Russia was gaining territory as fast from ISIS as Kurds were gaining.

So WHY ..WHY..WHY would they do such a stupid thing. I ask you sister, WHY would they do such a stupid thing by shooting themselves in the foot, while they were gaining victory like a hot knife through butter. It does NOT make sense.

US and other NATO countries were also seeing that with the help of Russia they were gaining territory very fast and nobody able to stop them. The Kurds have signed treaty with Syrian Army to not attack each other..so no fight between them. So again THINK sister, this does NOT make sense.

US says we have no doubt evidence that Syrian Army has used chemical attack on civilians, but till now i have not found any of this so called evidence, just like how Russia had intervened in US politics with Trump and Hillary during elections.

So again i ask you the question, please do explain to me what is going on?? Because all what makes sense is either Turkey with US have planned this, or US alone has planned this, as both Turkey would be the winner(safe zone), Assad be removed (Turkey be winner, Gulf countries be winners) Russian navel base in tartar be removed (NATO be the winner)...Till now nothing else makes sense.

I will be waiting for you observation and conclusion.

[beleiver]

Motive is everything here, who gains?

I have seen real credible evidence the so called rebels have use gas against civilians on numerous occasions, no problems with the 'International Community'..

Regarding the Vid above Falluja the hidden massacre, when that happened, the journalists entered the city illegally in breach of their mandate, Later when they were driving to the airport with the evidence they were 'mistaken' for insurgents and killed, it was a miracle ( thank you God) one survived to tell the tale..Or so the story goes any way..The same press restrictions are now in place in Mosul, the world does not know the true horrors happening there right now..The perfect distraction just happened.

Also, the British were allegedly the first to allegedly use chemical weapons deployed by air , in Iraq in the 1920s, i believe?

Hypocrites the lot of them, Assad, Putin probably as well, but at least they are protecting the idea secularism, not sectarian divides as Zionism is.

Muslims that follow the Prophet, look to how he settled internal conflict in the Charter of Medina, he advocated Secularism.

While anything like fascism/sectarianism has its head above water the world will never know peace, the mask is coming off our corporate masters right now.

[Simple_Person]

Motive is everything here, who gains?

I have seen real credible evidence the so called rebels have use gas against civilians on numerous occasions, no problems with the 'International Community'..

Regarding the Vid above Falluja the hidden massacre, when that happened, the journalists entered the city illegally in breach of their mandate, Later when they driving to the airport they were 'mistaken' for insurgents and killed, it was a miracle one survived to tell the tale..Or so the story goes any way..The same press restrictions are now in place in Mosul, the world does not know the true horrors happening there right now..

Also, the British were allegedly the first to allegedly use chemical weapons deployed by air , in Iraq in the 1920s, i believe?

Hypocrites the lot of them, Assad, Putin probably as well, but at least they are protecting the idea secularism, not sectarian divides as Zionism is.

Muslims that follow the Prophet, look to how he settled internal conflict in the Charter of Medina, he advocated Secularism.

Well he did not advocate secularism, he found common ground between the people as all the groups in Medina advocate morality and such. The other rules and such, Muslims were judged by their law, Jews by theirs, Christians by theirs. This is as far as i have read and known.

[Abz2000]

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَأٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ {6


O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
.

Quran, Chapter 49, Verse 6




How 'bout bombing israel too.

[sister herb]

If the Syrian Army or Russia let's say have committed that chemical attack, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!! Syrian Army has said they have given up all their chemical weapons, i take that with a grain of salt. However again, how stupid would they be to use chemical weapons if they are still having them.

Should we believe that Syrian army tells the truth? They know that having and using chemical weapons is against international laws but why they would care about them as long as their have support of Russia behind them?

[respecta]

The whole situation is so ambiguous. There's nothing definitive is there ?

[Islamic Soldier]

https://www.rt.com/news/383785-us-missiles-syrian-army/

US is pushing it towards WW3. When you observe closely, they do not wait for proof or investigation who has done this. What does this say? This means, they KNOW Syrian Army has nothing to do with this. They have planned it themselves.

Just look for example at Erdogan and the false flag coup. There was so called "coup"aka false flag coup and suddenly within 1 week a list of all Gulen supporters and Kurds etc was applied. I mean huh? How in the world can somebody in such a short amount of time have such a list? In other words he already had made up and investigated who were Gulen-supporters and needed so reason to get rid of them.

This is EXACTLY what has happened right now in Syria.

to me this is a false flag. they attacked the same base that syrian army uses to attac isis from.
im not saying bashar is good, but US aint better

[Abz2000]

Should we believe that saddam and the iraqi army were telling the truth when they claimed that h.w.bush, bill clinton, and w bush were attempting to weaken their nation via lies, sanctions and funding of controlled opposition before an invasion.
Should we believe that the turmoil in and weakening of syria was planned and engineered long before the obama presidency? That the secularist pentagon despots and their corrupt secularist puppet allies weren't trying to subvert the Mujahideen from attacks on their pirate secularist crusader forces and use them as pawns in syria?
Allah knows best, but some things are obvious to us also..... let's look at the root of this chaos instead of being superficial.
One word, kufr with all it's greed, selfishness, corruption and anarchy in God's kingdom.
Noticably, the mjahideen who lack proper co-ordination end up being steered into helping to remove the only leaders in the region vocal in their protest against and condemnation of pirate invasions and the secularist zionist trolls installed in the regionfor the sake of keeping the turmoil and weakening of the entire region going in preparation of what's to come.
They can't keep printing useless fiat dollars forever and forcing people to accept them and know very well that they cannot provide real resources for the amount of diminishing value fiat dollars in international circulation. Over-inflated weapons prices and sales to desperate and in turmoil nations are a temporary measure and the next stage is obvious to those who care to think -and it's global, and we're almost there, with the Islamic financial system being the only viable alternative (solution) to this fake, corrupt and abusive market, with mujahideen fee sabeel Allah being the biggest threat to puppet tyrants and established falsehood in their attempts at "reform" (deform).

Let's see past the daily lamestream news (some of the drama being real - like bruce lee's scripted but "real" forced fight, but still scripted by the pupeteers, and man of tai chi), hill and knowlton, and bell pottinger.

The Mother of All Clients

On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops led by dictator Saddam Hussein invaded the oil-producing nation of Kuwait. Like Noriega in Panama, Hussein had been a US ally for nearly a decade. From 1980 to 1988, he had killed about 150,000 Iranians, in addition to at least 13,000 of his own citizens. Despite complaints from international human rights group, however, the Reagan and Bush administrations had treated Hussein as a valuable ally in the US confrontation with Iran. As late as July 25 -- a week before the invasion of Kuwait -- US Ambassador April Glaspie commiserated with Hussein over a "cheap and unjust" profile by ABC's Diane Sawyer, and wished for an "appearance in the media, even for five minutes," by Hussein that "would help explain Iraq to the American people."

http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the university was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was ‘expected to’ participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time."

"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’"

"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

[Simple_Person]

to me this is a false flag. they attacked the same base that syrian army uses to attac isis from.
im not saying bashar is good, but US aint better

Exactly this is how we Muslims must think. From US to gulf states to Turkey and other NATO countries to ISIS to Free Syrian Army to the Kurds to Russia. None of them are fighting for Islamic principles.

Some people might say there are groups that do fight for Islamic principles. My question to those guys..who is providing them weapons? Who is providing them food? Who is providing them bullets and clothing? Receiving those things from Turkey or US or any other parent-group says you are the dog of them. They tell you who to fight and who to not fight. Look at them now. Turkey has used Free Syrian Army to fight the Kurds...what happened to Assad?..so right now point to all the groups as criminals and have patience. I right now stand only by the people as nobody cares what happens with them. They are being killed by such attacks like this false flag. Their time will come no criminal gets free ticket from Day of Judgement.

[Islamic Soldier]

Exactly this is how we Muslims must think. From US to gulf states to Turkey and other NATO countries to ISIS to Free Syrian Army to the Kurds to Russia. None of them are fighting for Islamic principles.

Some people might say there are groups that do fight for Islamic principles. My question to those guys..who is providing them weapons? Who is providing them food? Who is providing them bullets and clothing? Receiving those things from Turkey or US or any other parent-group says you are the dog of them. They tell you who to fight and who to not fight. Look at them now. Turkey has used Free Syrian Army to fight the Kurds...what happened to Assad?..so right now point to all the groups as criminals and have patience. I right now stand only by the people as nobody cares what happens with them. They are being killed by such attacks like this false flag. Their time will come no criminal gets free ticket from Day of Judgement.

if they cared so much about babies and civilians being killed. why dont they ever attack israel? they do the same thing, and its just next to the syrian border. they used phosporus on civilians.
May Allah reward the dead with Jannah,cause sooner or alter the knot they are making for us. will be used against them inshAllah. its promised
but i dont know when its gonna happen. so far all the "islamist" movements are conspirators to me

[Simple_Person]

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَأٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ {6


O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
.

Quran, Chapter 49, Verse 6




How 'bout bombing israel too.

[OFFTOPIC]
From one thing led me to another..and i ended up at cloning video. I was watching this video..



Off course Allah knows best, but when watching it, i thought about the hadith of Allah(swt) telling Adam(as) to throw every 999 out of 1000 in to the hell fire.

[Scientist]

As salamu alejkum wr wb,

This thread shows the state of the ummah. Everything we cant understand its a conspiracy theory.
"Why (the dog) Assad should do this? Hes gaining ground, no reason for him to do that".
1.) The people in arab countrys (especially dicatators) arent as rational as the people in the west. Saddam too bombed 5000 kurds with chemical weaopon despite international criticism.
2.) Theres NO syrian arab army anymore. The so called syrian army is a mix of hizbullshaytan, russia, iranian soldiers and generals, and a little bit syrian alawits.
AND THESE SHIITE Armys hate sunnis so much, do you really think they care about the UN or something like that? They know they have russia on their back. So its no problem for them to use chemical weapons (and its not the first time).
3.) The USA/Trump reaction is played. Before the attack, they called russia (and russia probably called assad/iran). So its just a show, to say "look we are defenders of humanity". The chemical attack was real (from assad al kalb and the shiit militias), but the reaction was just played.

Some people might say there are groups that do fight for Islamic principles. My question to those guys..who is providing them weapons? Who is providing them food?

Of course there are groups fighting for Islam and Sharia. But the whole stupid Ummah is against them. No single help for them, instead we blaming them day and night. And if u ever watched a operation video of those groups you will clearly see, how they get their weapons. So please stop this stupid conspiracy theories. Its easy to say theres no islamic group, but its hard to say there is. Why? Because then you have to accept and help them, what the most of the Ummah today are too afraid for.

*sry for my bad english, i hope u get my point. Thanks

[SoldierAmatUllah]

Exactly this is how we Muslims must think. From US to gulf states to Turkey and other NATO countries to ISIS to Free Syrian Army to the Kurds to Russia. None of them are fighting for Islamic principles.

Some people might say there are groups that do fight for Islamic principles. My question to those guys..who is providing them weapons? Who is providing them food? Who is providing them bullets and clothing? Receiving those things from Turkey or US or any other parent-group says you are the dog of them. They tell you who to fight and who to not fight. Look at them now. Turkey has used Free Syrian Army to fight the Kurds...what happened to Assad?..so right now point to all the groups as criminals and have patience. I right now stand only by the people as nobody cares what happens with them. They are being killed by such attacks like this false flag. Their time will come no criminal gets free ticket from Day of Judgement.

Truth is a bit different

There do exist Islamic groups -corruption does exists & likewise we have witnessed good stories of pious mujahiDeen as Shuhada & their lives etc!

The agenda is Khilafah of Mahdi,&its nearby!

The funds they get by their booty,victories over bashar army & Khawarij armies & many bring wealth with their earnings,support from family & pious Muslims who support through wealth!
As Jihad is with wealth too & know which group has agenda of Jihad & those groups esp HTS has it but also corrupted elements too.


But no generalisation because its wrong to insult all with few bad elements as there have been awesome people who passed away Rh &still exists & its true because then who's going to be in Army of Mahdi when he arrives & is amongst victorious people ?

Yes,it would be good people who strive hard & remained steadfast in hard times& with whole Ummah bashing...incl. Prisoners ,the pious scholars & people who did " dawah or captured mujahiDeen "

[beleiver]

Should we believe that Syrian army tells the truth? They know that having and using chemical weapons is against international laws but why they would care about them as long as their have support of Russia behind them?

Still doesnt make any sense..NATO seem hell bent on fighting Russia, the US said for the first time just a week ago they were no longer wanting to remove Assad..Assad and Russia might be oppressors but not that stupid, they couldn't win a war with Nato..

Why no investigation like they do when the Ukraine army kills civilians, or the US, Saudi or Turkey kills civilians..They only dont bother and use violence when an anti Zionist state is alleged to kill civilians..


Another thing, in 2013 the UN investigation of the same thing that didnt make sense then concluded all evidence pointed to the rebels killing civilians with chemical weapons..Which of course was mostly ignored by the media in general..

The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.
"Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.
"This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sy...94409Z20130505

[Abz2000]

People, please research iran-iraq war, see how both were badly weakened in manpower and economy, and how the secularist extremist americans along with the saudi and kuwaiti goverments supported saddam in using chemical weapons on civilians, how the secularists accused saddam of gassing kurds "a while back" as soon as he began showing a reconcialiatory stance toward iran, how bush senior sold his stakes in rumaila oil field companies accused of slant drilling 6 months before attacking iraq, how kuwait and saudi governments refused to waive the loans which saddam appeared to have expected would be waived, and began breaking the opec treaties and pumping oil from the joint border fields at a rate that would bring iraq to it's knees, how saddam told the arab league that the americans were trying to weaken the region, how he violently reacted to the unjustified and betraying overt provocations, and the rest is recent, how russian and chinese governments sell weapons to, then betray Muslim nations, then get huge contracts in the damaged countries..... whilst Muslims give blood in every case.
Who on earth expects to hold land without being bombed out afterwards?
We need snipers moving west.

[anatolian]

America wants to invade Syria and have the control of all those oil pipe lines. Russia doesn't want to fall behind that too. And other countries either take one side or other side have the same issue. This is the reason why have all those pain in Syria. No one cares if children are dying because of phosphorus gases over there.

WW1 happened because the partitioning of oil lands. WW2 was a revenge of WW1. So WW3 seems to be on road because of the same thing. Oil..And it will start from Syria but will spread all over the world. If you follow the news you can see NATO (America) are shipping lots of weapons and personnel in Germany and Baltic countries belong to Nato. Russia is doing the same in the nearby countries nowadays.

[noraina]

The situation in Syria is an absolute humanitarian disaster, it is just horrible watching it all unfold and feeling so helpless.

First that awful chemical attack, Allah swt knows best who did but to use chemical attacks on innocent civilians is absolutely *unacceptable*. And the response? This. Whether it destroys any of those responsible or not, it is going to have negative repercussions and isn't a step further to resolving the situation in Syria.

When you look at pictures of Syria, it's so sad because there is nothing left to fight over subhanAllah, nothing left to drop bombs on or destroy. It was such a culturally rich and beautiful country and yet now there are nothing but grey mounds of rubble. What 'victory' will anyone have in the end, when they are left with a country in ruins, it's children robbed of their childhood, it's people robbed of their home?

May Allah swt protect and help them all. Ameen.

[Simple_Person]

America wants to invade Syria and have the control of all those oil pipe lines. Russia doesn't want to fall behind that too. And other countries either take one side or other side have the same issue. This is the reason why have all those pain in Syria. No one cares if children are dying because of phosphorus gases over there.

WW1 happened because the partitioning of oil lands. WW2 was a revenge of WW1. So WW3 seems to be on road because of the same thing. Oil..And it will start from Syria but will spread all over the world. If you follow the news you can see NATO (America) are shipping lots of weapons and personnel in Germany and Baltic countries belong to Nato. Russia is doing the same in the nearby countries nowadays.

So do explain what Turkey is doing in NATO? Why haven't the already left? If they are truthful. This dishonest behavior of Turkish government makes them no better than US itself.

[SoldierAmatUllah]

@noraina

No,Ukht!

Read Ahadeeth on Khilafah of Mahdi!
It's coming-,so be hopeful!

Things will change&tyrants will be brought down!

Don't be so sad,it's going to be grand victory!

[anatolian]

So do explain what Turkey is doing in NATO? Why haven't the already left? If they are truthful. This dishonest behavior of Turkish government makes them no better than US itself.

Turkey entered to it becuase of the "Soviet thread" long time ago. Turkey has a geostrategic importance. I am totally against it though. I have no idea why we are in it anymore. As you know nowadays Erdo tries to build good relations with Russia and bad with the US and EU.

[Simple_Person]

Turkey entered to it becuase of the "Soviet thread" long time ago. Turkey has a geostrategic importance. I am totally against it though. I have no idea why we are in it anymore. As you know nowadays Erdo tries to build good relations with Russia and bad with the US and EU.

Well don't look at it from that perspective, because it really doesn't seem like it and i am not saying it because i am a Kurd. Just a observer looking at how things are going.

Erdogan is trying to eat from both plates, however the longer he does that, the bigger the issue becomes. In other words this issue being Turkey becoming a failed state. As US and Russia both superpowers and both at the different end of the national interests, they will not tolerate if at the end he is choosing one side. It is like the letter "V". Erdogan right now is you could say half way down up. The further he eats from both parties, the further both parties split and Turkey also splitting. Erdogan's play has NOTHING to do with PKK or YPG. Let me give you what i base this on.

Turkey objects Iraqi Kurdistan’s plans to hold independence referendum: http://ekurd.net/turkey-objects-kurd...dum-2017-04-01
Turkey’s Erdogan warns Iraqi Kurd ties at risk over Kurdish flag in Kirkuk : http://ekurd.net/erdogan-warns-kurd-kirkuk-2017-04-04

Read both the articles and tell me what PKK or YPG has to do with KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government? The ONLY thing they both have in common one could say is they want both independence and both are Kurds. That's it. So if a people wants independence, what are you to say they cannot be independent from you? Do explain. Also about the second article, what has Turkey to do with Kirkuk? Just because some Turkmen live there? Well about 30 milion Kurds live in Turkey can we also object? So you see all i see is hypocrisy. His actions do NOT contain ANY Islam. All power, greed, control.

I believe Erdogan will be the case for Turkey to fall. Right now, Kurds are uniting more and more because of Erdogan and Turks are dividing more and more because of Erdogan. Nationalism isn't working anymore. It is becoming like Muslims now a days. Everybody is shouting Islam and saying my Islam is the right Islam while killing each other over it. Turks will do the same with nationalism. Gulen-supporter will attack Erdogan supporters and Kemalists will attack Erdogan supporters while Erdogan supporters will attack both of the group. Gulen-supporters don't like Kemalists and Kemalist don't like Erdogan nor Gulen. Not one of those groups likes the other. Then you also have the Armenians and also the Kurds. The Kurds a great part supported HDP and took distance from PKK. However those HDP-supporters ALSO saw that Turkish government doesn't want any way. Through politics ..well we see how HDP is being treated. So HDP-supporters will even more be heading towards PKK and supporting PKK more. If this happens, then you can see the fall of Turkey with support either from US or from Russia. If Turkey chooses Russia, US for SURE will support PKK with anti-air weapons and anti-tank weapons. If Turkey goes with US, Russia for sure will support PKK with anti-air weapons and anti-tank weapons. IF Turkey goes for Russia, IT IS EVEN in the interest of Russia that Turkey falls. Current Russia is heading more towards Orthodox Christianity so they have not forgotten about Constantinople and Hagia Sophia. Which Constantinople is also a very strategic point to have control over ..so they can have the door to the black sea.

The Turks have already become divided in to three groups, so the Kemalists will not mind and the Gulen-supporters will not mind if Erdogans version of Turkey falls. However when it falls, it will not flourish again. If we look at all of this and all we can see is for sure Turkey will fall, just matter of time, it also fits the picture of Islamic Eschatology(end times). We know of hadith that Turkey will also be part of the chaos with malhama (the big war). If you disagree, i would for sure want to know what i have missed or wrongly analyzed. Please don't bring nationalism in and the believe of "Turkey will never fall" based on nationalistic tendencies. I follow logic, rationality and reason.

[OmAbdullah]

https://www.rt.com/news/383785-us-missiles-syrian-army/

US is pushing it towards WW3. When you observe closely, they do not wait for proof or investigation who has done this. What does this say? This means, they KNOW Syrian Army has nothing to do with this. They have planned it themselves.

Just look for example at Erdogan and the false flag coup. There was so called "coup"aka false flag coup and suddenly within 1 week a list of all Gulen supporters and Kurds etc was applied. I mean huh? How in the world can somebody in such a short amount of time have such a list? In other words he already had made up and investigated who were Gulen-supporters and needed so reason to get rid of them.

This is EXACTLY what has happened right now in Syria.

I wonder what is your ideology and from where are you taking the news???


Asad and putin have been killing hundreds of thousands of the innocent Syrian Muslims. Asad is certainly the one killing those helpless Muslims for the last 6 years while Putin started it later to help Asad in killing his own nation!!! The attacks with chemical weapons are done many times. Many people (thousands) are starved to death while hundreds of thousands are made homeless. If you try to cover his crimes here then WHO will protect him from Allah in the Hereafter??? In fact there was none to react against the murderers, alas!!! But now only the President Trump reacted against the murderers, Alhamdulillah!!! May Allah give him more wisdom to rescue the helpless Syrians who are killed and tortured in many different ways by the cruel Asad's regime.


You are also giving false news about Turkey!!! Also your words that this Ummah will not be punished in the Hereafter are against the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah!!! You must improve your knowledge and then speak!!!!

[Zeal]

Most of what people say are out of mere assumption.

Allah is the best of planners and none can override his will.

We are all in his need and we should seek his guidance

[Simple_Person]

I wonder what is your ideology and from where are you taking the news???


Asad and putin have been killing hundreds of thousands of the innocent Syrian Muslims. Asad is certainly the one killing those helpless Muslims for the last 6 years while Putin started it later to help Asad in killing his own nation!!! The attacks with chemical weapons are done many times. Many people (thousands) are starved to death while hundreds of thousands are made homeless. If you try to cover his crimes here then WHO will protect him from Allah in the Hereafter??? In fact there was none to react against the murderers, alas!!! But now only the President Trump reacted against the murderers, Alhamdulillah!!! May Allah give him more wisdom to rescue the helpless Syrians who are killed and tortured in many different ways by the cruel Asad's regime.


You are also giving false news about Turkey!!! Also your words that this Ummah will not be punished in the Hereafter are against the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah!!! You must improve your knowledge and then speak!!!!

In life there are people that read and listen based on what they have read and listened to they analyze and give a logical, rational and reasonable reaction. A discussion can start from this and finally they both can either agree to 1 truth or part of the truth might be at one side and the other part on the other side making it the whole truth. Or agree to disagree however the argumentation still in both cases might have logical, rational and reasonable foundation.

There are also people that say something what THEY want it to be the truth based on what?..emotions because they lack go look beyond television and analyze and QUESTION things based on logic, rationality and reason. To these people i say let's wait it out as there is no room to talk logocally, rationally and reasonably with you as all you are is the ones who is being controlled by the media.

Good day to you.

[Bobbyflay23]

Can you guys chill out everything on your television is propaganda and you should avoid the big propaganda (the news) and you can move into small propaganda and just watch that (spongebob square pants) yes I am saying spongebob has propaganda in it everything does because humans naturally copy what they see so if you watch some show or the news your gonna agree since your not right next to them and don't have the freedom to disagree only watch stuff on the tv if you know your not gonna get brain washed and I honestly suggest just getting rid of it and I guess if you really need it then watch movies somtimes not too often but don't get attached to television I'm not saying everything is bad for you it's just telivsion you don't have control over what they feed you you don't right the script and the script may Contain things like promoting zina after I stopped watching tv my ego has became smaller and it takes less to make me laugh and I'm just happier my suggestion is stay out of the news and if you like politics than don't base your opinion on one side research both sides and then what ever is best join that opinion and never get angry during debates listen to the other side and if they're wrong prove them wrong and if you think they're wrong but you don't have any proof just say somthing like hmm interesting but most likely If you don't have proof behind your own logic but the other person has proof behind his then he's most likely right

[Simple_Person]

Can you guys chill out everything on your television is propaganda and you should avoid the big propaganda (the news) and you can move into small propaganda and just watch that (spongebob square pants) yes I am saying spongebob has propaganda in it everything does because humans naturally copy what they see so if you watch some show or the news your gonna agree since your not right next to them and don't have the freedom to disagree only watch stuff on the tv if you know your not gonna get brain washed and I honestly suggest just getting rid of it and I guess if you really need it then watch movies somtimes not too often but don't get attached to television I'm not saying everything is bad for you it's just telivsion you don't have control over what they feed you you don't right the script and the script may Contain things like promoting zina after I stopped watching tv my ego has became smaller and it takes less to make me laugh and I'm just happier my suggestion is stay out of the news and if you like politics than don't base your opinion on one side research both sides and then what ever is best join that opinion and never get angry during debates listen to the other side and if they're wrong prove them wrong and if you think they're wrong but you don't have any proof just say somthing like hmm interesting but most likely If you don't have proof behind your own logic but the other person has proof behind his then he's most likely right

I have stopped watching tv since 2013. Now almost 4 years later to even observe myself I see things and I see connections that I would usually not see. Not based because I want that to be the truth but based on logical explanation. TV prevents you to stop for a second and digest what has happened.

To give you a better example. When TV is reporting something it takes about let's say 10 minutes for the news to end. During those 10 minutes certain different topics are being discussed. You listen to all those topics before going an trying to analyze the new information. When you read a news article..somewhere even in the middle of the news article you can stop and digest what you have learned..ponder a bit then read it again and read the whole article again..read sometimes the comments of somebody has information that can further analyze the article based on logic, rationality and reason. This I have found with many things even movies or even a lecture..reading a book about the same stuff is much more beneficial than listening only to lectures. As book might contain more information and don't contain useless information such as the one talking making a joke to keep your attention.

So my argument would rather be even if you follow propaganda read it instead of listening it or watching it. That way more can be analyzed. Although the essential thing is to think for yourself and question things..why this and why that.

[OmAbdullah]

In life there are people that read and listen based on what they have read and listened to they analyze and give a logical, rational and reasonable reaction. A discussion can start from this and finally they both can either agree to 1 truth or part of the truth might be at one side and the other part on the other side making it the whole truth. Or agree to disagree however the argumentation still in both cases might have logical, rational and reasonable foundation.

There are also people that say something what THEY want it to be the truth based on what?..emotions because they lack go look beyond television and analyze and QUESTION things based on logic, rationality and reason. To these people i say let's wait it out as there is no room to talk logocally, rationally and reasonably with you as all you are is the ones who is being controlled by the media. You are doing exactly what media wants you to do...obey and follow. These people have a name "sheeple" sheep + people = sheeple

Good day to you.

In fact the last two sentences in your post fit on you very well!!! The media today covers the crimes of Asad regime. Therefore you are a follower of media!!!

[Simple_Person]

In fact the last two sentences in your post fit on you very well!!! The media today covers the crimes of Asad regime. Therefore you are a follower of media!!!

Most illogical reply i have till this day heard from somebody on this forum (no offense). I am man enough to admit i am wrong when i am wrong, however logical, rationality and reason says it does not make sense. However, you yourself are not willing to take up with me and give me a logical, rational and reasonable point of view. @sister herb also said something and with all due respect i still haven't received any logical explanation why my conclusion is false.

So even though i have said let's wait it out, my challenge to you, to proof my logic, rationality and reason wrong. I will be waiting.

Edit: I have been thinking, an i apologize for branding you as sheeple, as that is offensive. However why i did that although a bit annoyed then, is because you blindly believe what is being told that Assad has used chemical weapons in this case. However the fact is that Assad with help of Russia has gaining victory after victory and NOBODY stopping them from getting the victories. This is the whole issue with us Muslims now a days, we believe but we do not ponder about what is going on..who will benefit etc. etc.

Now we have to answer some questions.

- Does he have chemical weapons? He has said that he has gotten rid of all those chemical weapons. I take this with grain of salt..in other words, i don't believe him.
- Second question is, if he is gaining victory after victory and nobody able to stop him. WHY would he shoot himself in the foot by using chemical weapons on people? I mean if he would use chemical weapons, this means he will get himself in to trouble, so by logic, rationality and reason it does NOT make sense.

However you just simply come with a "emotional" comment well he has used it now and bravo Trump..this sister is very illogical to the very core of logic. So people believe what they want to believe because media says something. However in Islam, i cannot tell you sister, Islam tells us that women have to take off their hijabs and walk in tight clothes. If i would say such a thing, i MUST bring Qur'anic references AND AUTHENTIC ahadith to backup my claim. So my story is the same as ..do give evidence or even logic why Assad would shoot himself in the foot?

If we look from other side who would benefit from this chemical attack and thus Assad being attacked by US etc. Well now Assad and his victories over ISIS and Free Syrian Army and other groups can be stopped. This will greatly benefit Turkey, as Assad is the ally of Iran. Read up about the Gulf states and Turkey were planning to have oil pipelines from Arabian peninsula to Turkey to Europe through Syria. However Iran has its own strategy of oil pipelines from Iran-->Iraq (shia aka southern Iraq)-->Syria-->Mediterranean sea and thus cheaper transport towards consumerism aka capitalism aka western world. Why do you think Turkey has been upset with Assad from day one?

So why US and other NATO countries involved in Syria? This all has to do with Russia having a naval base in Tartar (Syria) that is on the Mediterranean sea. Why do you think Russia is so involved in Syria? All to do to prevent them giving up their naval base in Tartar. NATO is trying to weaken Russia, that is why whole issue with Crimean Peninsula as there is Russia Black sea fleet and that is i believe the biggest Russian fleet in existence.

These things sister, NOBODY is telling you, you and i have to figure out ourselves. No Arab media, no western media, no Russian media, no other Asian media. The media knows what is going on, but they are not telling us common people. However you being fixiated on Assad dictator and must be get rid of etc. etc. that is exactly in the benefit of the foreign powers that have been tring to destroy the Muslim word.

Do i defend Assad? Nope. Is he a criminal and dictator and punished? Yes
Are Russians good guys? Well on the scale if we compare them to western countries, Russians are better, but are they good guys that we should trust? Nope. Do these guys most probably would backstab us also? Yes they would.

Are Gulf states and Turkey good guys? Nope, do they follow Islam and Islamic principles? Nope. What do they follow? Gulf states are in love with dunya (money, materialism etc.) Turkey all they care about is nationalism, greed, power, control. What do these things have to do with Islam? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

The person who dares to defend Erdogan and Turkish government..that person does not know what he is talking about.

Look now. Free Syran Army (FSA) is working together with Turkey. However Turkey's plan was all along to attack Kurds. They do not care about ISIS. YOU KNOW as well as i do they have been helping ISIS. Or even this, the Kurds said we agree with a safe zone within our territory. However Turkey objected that. So my question is huh? So you do not care about Syrian refugees? So you see, all the Turkish government is thinking about is NATIONALISM and power. The LAST people they care about are innocent civilians. Turkey is STILL part of NATO who has been waging war on the Muslim war now fro some decades. They have been killing so many Muslims, i do not hear you speak about that..instead you are defending Turkey. That is shameful sister..if you did not know these things..and there are A LOT MORE..go investigate a bit more. After a while your eyes will be opened in'sha'Allah with what is going on.

[Yahya.]

- Second question is, if he is gaining victory after victory and nobody able to stop him. WHY would he shoot himself in the foot by using chemical weapons on people? I mean if he would use chemical weapons, this means he will get himself in to trouble, so by logic, rationality and reason it does NOT make sense.

That's the logical side of it, like you've already stated. But if there is already evidence of the Assad regime being responsible for this, we don't have to further discuss this. Many media outlets and investigation organizations hold them from being responsible. So, you must have a counter-evidence/fact to this, in order to deny their involvement, right?

If, let's say, there is no clear evidence and we have to discuss it logically; the strategy of the Assad regime and Russia is to make pressure on the rebels to give up the war, by causing maximal damage on civilians, and and thus breaking their will to support the revolution. And this may also intend to increase the international contra-war (revolution) stance -instead of emphasizing on the crimes of the Assad regime- and in this way try to force the rebels to hand over their weapons and accept a peace treaty (compromise) with the regime, the goals of revolution and jihad being unfulfilled. As they had already used chemical weapons in Ghouta in 2013, and not much was undertaken against Assad since then. And this one-time US strike on one Assad had no impacts on deterring Assad either.

And b.t.w. the naval base is in Tartus, brother, not Tartar :) I respect your opinions, as you just have different perspective, but don't support the Assad regime in general. But just be (particularly) careful when watching RT, as they are doing nothing else than spreading Russian propaganda, just like Sputnik. I can't stand their provocative language and news-reporting, but it's good to be aware of the counter-opinion.

Turkey's plan was all along to attack Kurds. They do not care about ISIS.

It would be of benefit if Turkey made an offensive against the left-extremist, communist, nationalist YPG, but all over the Euphrates Shield operation, they exclusively conquered territory from IS. You may be right in saying that Turkey is nationalist and secular, but I don't think they are expansionist, as they leave great authority by handing over the administration to rebels, who then allow local councils elected by the people to rule the liberated areas.

[Simple_Person]

That's the logical side of it, like you've already stated. (1) But if there is already evidence of the Assad regime being responsible for this, we don't have to further discuss this. (2) Many media outlets and investigation organizations hold them from being responsible. So, (3) you must have a counter-evidence/fact to this, in order to deny their involvement, right?

(1) This evidence that they are responsible for this, i haven't seen this or even presented to me. I would love to go through, it. However till now the SAME reaction has been given by US like US did with Iraq and WMD. I DON'T go by ..well X has evidence and i just have to trust him telling me the truth, while not showing it to me. Again, is Assad a dicator? Without a doubt. Do i defend him? Absolutely not. Why am i saying this? Truth is truth, no matter who says it..that is why i bring up this argument. We also know of a hadith that Rasullah(saws) replied about a man appearing trying to do something to a shahabi (very bad with names), later on being iblies. In that reply Rasullah(saws) said, although he is a liar, he spoke the truth. In other words, just because X has said this or done this, you do not involve the history in to this. Every case is independently analyzed. One might say..well i did bring up US with 2003 and Iraq and WMD. Well the SAME attidute is being applied right now. In other words, we do not need to investigate, just immediately retaliate..

(2) According to media, you are a ISIS supporter, because you say you are a Muslim. According to media, you are going to blow yourself up. So i guess according to YOUR perspective of "many media outlets" police should put you in jail ;). I do not go by what media tells me. I go by facts and facts tell me something else. Also "investigation organizations", well bro..right now US shot first before asking questions..where is this investigation organization? A investigation as shallow as based on hours..that is rather one sided and not making sense, you hold that in very high regard. That is very illogical by it self isn't it?

(3) Point 1 and point 2 you tried to make are based on subjectivity with very strange way of handling things. To say X has done this a certain investigation needs to take place before firmly confirming it. To give you a easy example. Gulen is being branded as the one behind the coup of Turkey. However within such a small time scale he was branded as being the one behind the coup. Within a week or so A LARGE amount of people belonging to Gulen organization were suddenly being gathered. Sorry bro, but such a list, needs time to be worked out and it all points out as if this has been done before the coup in other words coup being a false flag to have "reason" to remove gulen supporters from high places. So again, bring your proof first, before we can say ..look at this counter-evidence. Btw, i don't like Gulen, Gulen or Erdogan or Kemalist..all just nationalistic people. Don't care about Islam, rather are using it to gain power. So i am not defending Gulen based on that i like him, because i don't. But truth is truth, no matter what.

If, let's say, there is no clear evidence and we have to discuss it logically; the strategy of the Assad regime and Russia is to make pressure on the rebels to give up the war, by causing maximal damage on civilians, and and thus breaking their will to support the revolution. And this may also intend to increase the international contra-war (revolution) stance -instead of emphasizing on the crimes of the Assad regime- and in this way try to force the rebels to hand over their weapons and accept a peace treaty (compromise) with the regime, the goals of revolution and jihad being unfulfilled. As they had already used chemical weapons in Ghouta in 2013, and not much was undertaken against Assad since then. And this one-time US strike on one Assad had no impacts on deterring Assad either.

The war has been going on for about 6 years. There is no end to it. Even peace talks that were suppose to be the road to peace and surrender or whatever you call it, did not show any results. The question is why? Do the rebels want to keep on going this fight? Based on humanity and psychology i think MANY have grown tired of war. Again based on human psychology that many would rather want the country to separate in different parts instead of let the war going on. Human psychology does not permit to live under oppression when actively fighting against it has started. In this case it has. So two ways out of it, Assad gone, or let Assad have it's own land and divide Syria. However again, WHY isn't this being applied? Well in case of Assad being removed, Russia and Iran clearly object to this. As their interests would be compromised. So another reason would be, why not divide it then? Well all i can conclude so far is that Gulf states, Turkey and NATO don't want that. However this would be peace for the people living there right? I mean no Assad ruling over them, so what do they more want?

Btw, i have never heard or somebody concluded to me that back in 2013 Syrian Army has used those chemical weapons. I may be wrong, but till this day i have had no evidence that pointed out that Assad was the one doing that. Also US has already said there is a possibility they will keep on going attacking Syrian Army.

(4) And b.t.w. the naval base is in Tartus, brother, not Tartar :) I respect your opinions, as you just have different perspective, but don't support the Assad regime in general. (5) But just be (particularly) careful when watching RT, as they are doing nothing else than spreading Russian propaganda, just like Sputnik. I can't stand their provocative language and news-reporting, but it's good to be aware of the counter-opinion.

(4), thanks for correcting me. I am very bad with names in general. Being peoples names or names of certain places that i do not use often.

(5), RT and Sputnik give certain news that i think about and ask questions. Their objective is to show as much as possible anti-western news. So WHY do i watch these news outlets? Because i want to know what THOSE governments are up to, as often what is going on in the west is NOT being showing in media in general. I have watched western media, but all they tell you is that some old grandma hit another car with her car in city X. Is this for real? I mean seriously is this so news worthy to know? The day i woke up to this was that seriously during morning news they said in Miami as police boat turned the boat so quick that it hit another boat when turning...and this news channel is one in Europe. So you see..what in the world would benefit me ..living in Europe that a police boat in Miami hit another boat when turning. That was the day that i started asking question of what is going on.

I have even tried to have RT + sputnik + BBC + Reuter and other news outlets. However you see a HUGE difference between them. RT for example gives you direct sources where they have based their news on. I had NEVER experienced this in my entire life. Sputnik does something similar. Reuter tells you a story. Person X met Person Y and he said hello. No references to it..no video evidence..no nothing. BBC and other news outlets..well they just by majority tell you stories like a cat in city X has been rescued by the fire department. I mean seriously if this isn't trying to get your attention away of what is going on..then i don't know anymore. So there is a reason i follow RT and Sputnik. Maybe if you have some similar news outlet that CLEARLY give their sources they used in their news article. I have also seen lately that US government more wants to restrict RT and Sputnik. This even MORE confirms to me, that they are afraid. I mean there are tabloids they are saying what they want to say. Nobody is trying to stop them. However if US governments is trying to restrict RT and Sputnik while shouting free speech, this even MORE confirms to me that i should watch RT and Sputnik as clearly some of the things are being revealed that they don't want you to know. This logic for example can be applied how media is attacking Islam. Clearly they don't want people to start investigating Islam and becoming Muslim. So do share what you use and i will in'sha'Allah react based on logic, rationality and reason if it is a good news outlet or not.

It would be of benefit if Turkey made an offensive against the left-extremist, communist, nationalist YPG, but all over the Euphrates Shield operation, they exclusively conquered territory from IS. You may be right in saying that Turkey is nationalist and secular, but I don't think they are expansionist, as they leave great authority by handing over the administration to rebels, who then allow local councils elected by the people to rule the liberated areas.

They are not expansionist? Hmm.. according to UN international law..if you believe in it..although i myself see it as a criminal aka mafia organization. Forgotten about Cyprus? According to those rulings, Turkey has illegally settled there. Another thing, ISIS has had been there since mid-2014 one could say. However suddenly when YPG conquered the territory that ISIS was having borders with Turkey. Turkey had to intervene. So ISIS is oke..but YPG is not oke? What happened to Islam? YPG, although i am a Kurd myself, i say i 100% agree with you nationalistic group NOTHING to do with Islam. However all i see is Turkey EXACTLY doing the same. So i say A(YPG nationalistic people and should not be supported) and after that i say B (Turks nationalistic people and should not be supported). Are you willing to also say the same? This is the cross roads of hypocrisy if you do not willing to say the same.

[beleiver]

I am proud to say i have never had a TV since the 80s when i left home at 17, i have lived in houses with a TV for short enough periods in my life..

One of these times was when Syria was accused of assassinating a Lebanese politician with a bomb in Lebanon, there was no investigation just condemnation, It was major head lines for a few days, five or ten minuets dedicated to this story alone for a few days, this 'huge' demonstration against the Syrian army 'occupying' Lebanon, there were a good few thousand people waving identical flags refusing to leave until Assads army left Lebanon..
A few days later there was a Pro Syrian demo in the same Square, hundreds of thousands, the biggest demo in Lebanon's history completely dwarfing the other demo..It got a minuets mention at the end of the main news:facepalm:And we know why, because the Syrian army kept Israel at bay.

Within a year of this Israel invaded Lebanon and destroyed Gaza..

Its obvious enough Assad is bad (as are all governments), and the revolution started as quite a popular movement, but soon enough i think Syrians realized the Zionist backed alternative was going to be much worst..There is good reason peaceful democratic solutions are not pushed for here by the international community..The people of the region hate the Zionists more than Assad.

Regarding the YPG, is it fair to say they are nationalists? they are claiming to want stateless society with local democratic autonomy, not the same as traditional Nationalism is it? Complete opposite.

[Simple_Person]

I am proud to say i have never had a TV since the 80s when i left home at 17, i have lived in houses with a TV for short enough periods in my life..

One of these times was when Syria was accused of assassinating a Lebanese politician with a bomb in Lebanon, there was no investigation just condemnation, It was major head lines for a few days, five or ten minuets dedicated to this story alone for a few days, this 'huge' demonstration against the Syrian army 'occupying' Lebanon, there were a good few thousand people waving identical flags refusing to leave until Assads army left Lebanon..
A few days later there was a Pro Syrian demo in the same Square, hundreds of thousands, the biggest demo in Lebanon's history completely dwarfing the other demo..It got a minuets mention at the end of the main news:facepalm:And we know why, because the Syrian army kept Israel at bay.

Within a year of this Israel invaded Lebanon and destroyed Gaza..

Its obvious enough Assad is bad (as are all governments), and the revolution started as quite a popular movement, but soon enough i think Syrians realized the Zionist backed alternative was going to be much worst..There is good reason peaceful democratic solutions are not pushed for here by the international community..The people of the region hate the Zionists more than Assad.

Regarding the YPG, is it fair to say they are nationalists? they are claiming to want stateless society with local democratic autonomy, not the same as traditional Nationalism is it? Complete opposite.

Well again as a Kurd myself and see YPG, or PKK or PDK or PUk or PJAK or Gorran..whatever party do something, i follow Islamic way of living. However also as a Kurd, what i have seen is oppression. So the parts that Kurds live, i will NEVER say YPG must not conquer those parts. Those part simply belong to the Kurds and if Kurds living there agree that YPG in THEIR name can represent those place, i say i'm all good. Am i pro YPG? absolutely not, as they represent rather no Islamic way of life. However if they let people practice what they want to practice, better that than living under a dictator.

If there is another group that tries to occupy certain territories that Kurds live and the Kurds are also happy with that group, i say again, i am all good. So if let's say Syrian Army or Free Syrian Army would represent certain part and it is full of Kurds but the Kurds are happy and satisfied and don't feel oppressed. Well it is THEIR choice and i have NOTHING to do with it. So i am all good.

However right now Turkey isn't doing that. Among Kurdish regions in Northern Syria, there are people that are happy that YPG or SDF is representing them, while being Arab or Turkmen. Who am i to say..no i object to that? The people are happy with who is controlling the territory so i have NOTHING to say about it.

An example to this is in Cyprus. I was watching a documentary a few years ago and the Turkish Cypriots they saw Greek Cypriots as their brothers and NOT the Turks going there and inhabiting the place. I was kind of shocked. One of the Turkish Cypriots said, all we have in common with the Turks is the language, NOTHING else besides that. So if those people themselves are NOT happy with Turks being there, who am i or whoever it might be to say well not Turkey must occupy those territories.

That is why Islamic law cannot be applied to ANY place if the people themselves don't want it even though by majority saying they are Muslims. The hearts of the people need to be conquered first, before the people wanting you to represent them. This till now i have seen with parts of northern Syria that they are happy with YPG representing them.

Turkey however objects this. Why? Again..NOTHING has to do with YPG being part of PKK or so. They hate the Kurds to the core, as they even object Kurds (KRG - Kurdistan Regional Government) in northern Iraq to go their own in referendum for independence. Even just recently the Turks were FIERCELY against Kurdish flag being hung on Ataturk airport. What have those Kurds to do with PKK or YPG? Absolutely NOTHING. This rather being a confirmation that they hate my very being as a Kurd. In other words, for me is rather a sign..don't take these people as my friends and allies. Among Turks there are those that would see secular and nationalistic Turkey fall even today to make place for a REAL Islamic Caliphate that is ruled according to justice. However many because their center is Turkish nationalism, they cannot utter those words. In your heart only exists Islam and everything else circles around OR nationalism and everything else circles around. When you die..nationalism will not benefit you even one bit. However the person who is blind, will not understand these words.

[anatolian]

Were Kurds opressed in Iran?

[Simple_Person]

Were Kurds opressed in Iran?

"were"? Still are would be better to say. The majority of the Kurds in general in all the 4 parts are sunni-Muslims so also in Rojhelat (Eastern-Kurdistan aka Kurdistan Iran), while Iran in general consists of of majority of shia-Muslims. So besides religion the Kurds differ and besides ethnicity. Although i just recently i have found proof that Persians are also Kurds. Persians are not Persians as a people, it is a job-title.

This last piece had bothered me for a long time. I knew where the Arabs orinated from, i knew where the Original Ottomans orginated from, however i was always puzzled with the Persians. As we both for example have newroz.

http://ekurd.net/who-are-persian-part-i-2017-02-27

Language is a fascinating thing. One can take away your history, take away ones cultural habits like music, clothing, food etc. However language sub'han'Allah it is impossible to take away. Through ones language you can see similarities and thus see your origins.

[anatolian]

As far as I know Kurds have never been oppressed in Iran. So, how are Kurds oppressed in Iran? Are they being killed, for example? Is the way their oppression worth of PJAK's terror? What amount of oppression justifies terror? I view PJAK a terrorist group just like PKK.

We can rather say Kurds and Persians come from the same roots. Probably they were one poeple once upon a time. This explains the similarity between the languages.

[Simple_Person]

(1) As far as I know Kurds have never been oppressed in Iran. So, how are Kurds oppressed in Iran? Are they being killed, for example? (2) Is the way their oppression worth of PJAK's terror? What amount of oppression justifies terror? I view PJAK a terrorist group just like PKK.

(3) We can rather say Kurds and Persians come from the same roots. Probably they were one poeple once upon a time. This explains the similarity between the languages.

(1), this is the problem, that you do not hear about. Only through Kurdish media this goes out and you hear about. I have NEVER read in the media about Kurdish oppression in Iran, however the question is why? Is it because there is none? However if there is none, why does PJAK exist?

(2) That you see PJAK as a terrorist organization, you are entitled to your opinion. The question rather is, WHY does PJAK, PKK, YPG all exist? If you know this question, THEN you can further untangle things. This question i have never heard a Turk ask me or ask themselves. In life there is action and reaction. A reaction is based on a action. In other words, PKK, YPG, PJAK and even PDK, PUK have a REASON of their existence.

To know this reason of their existence, one must ask questions. When those questions are asked and found the answer to those question, FINALLY then you can see the complete story.

Turkey says PKK are terrorists, PKK says Turkey are terrorists. If you ask PKK supporters what is the reason of their existence, they say oppression. When you say what oppression? They say Kurds are being oppressed and they give all kind of examples from language, to their culture to names of the children to various things. If you ask Turks, they say Kurds are NOT being oppressed. Based on what? I have not heard them give answer to this, as those things that PKK-supporters mention, the Turks don't reply to that.

So i say you know what i have a VERY VERY VERY easy solution to this. Start a referendum. Give this referendum to ALL the Kurds..so ONLY Kurds not Turks. Ask them do you want independence? So take your land that belongs to you and form Kurdistan?

If no, then ALL the Kurds living in Turkey from now on can join the Turks to fight PKK.
If yes, then Turks have to leave the Kurds alone and let them separate from Turkey and start their own Kurdistan.

Isn't this easy solution? This is being human and let people decide for themselves what what they want to go.

You cannot say Turkey belongs to the Turks. No, as Kurds have about 30-40% of South-Eastern part of the modern day Turkey. So they are free to choose to stay with the Turks or go and be independent from Turkey.

So get away your nationalism, as that isn't according to how Islam deals with these things. You go Islam or you go nationalism..choose one of the two. For me again, if they say we go for Turkey...i say i am good with their choice. If they say we go and be independent from Turkey i say i am good with their choice. So do you say the same? And if no, do explain. Please do reply to my comments as i smell a lot of hypocrisy coming from you when i corner you with certain questions and you not replying to them. I do not like dishonest people and i expect at least some reply with some honesty if you say i am a Muslim.

(3) These people are the Medes, the ancestors of the Kurds and also the people who say we are Persians but rather are also Kurds.

[anatolian]

(1), this is the problem, that you do not hear about. Only through Kurdish media this goes out and you hear about. I have NEVER read in the media about Kurdish oppression in Iran, however the question is why? Is it because there is none? However if there is none, why does PJAK exist?

Inshallah you are not going to the reason from the result. That's the question I ask anyway. if there is no oppression on Kurds in Iran, why does PJAK exist? You must prove it to claim it. It seems to me the reason is Kurdish groups are being used by America to weaken the countries in the middle east which are a potential thread to them. Kurdish groups have been the tongs of America in the region for a long while. America using Kurds to weaken Iran.

(2) That you see PJAK as a terrorist organization, you are entitled to your opinion. The question rather is, WHY does PJAK, PKK, YPG all exist? If you know this question, THEN you can further untangle things. This question i have never heard a Turk ask me or ask themselves. In life there is action and reaction. A reaction is based on a action. In other words, PKK, YPG, PJAK and even PDK, PUK have a REASON of their existence.

Yes it is first rule of the Newton mechanics but it doesnt work in politics as in physics. It is the general strategy of the American imperialist policy to look for the conflicts in the hard regions and use it to create a battle enviroment so that they can control these lands easier. If there was one central Iraqi government they could not have that much control power overthere.

To know this reason of their existence, one must ask questions. When those questions are asked and found the answer to those question, FINALLY then you can see the complete story.

Turkey says PKK are terrorists, PKK says Turkey are terrorists. If you ask PKK supporters what is the reason of their existence, they say oppression. When you say what oppression? They say Kurds are being oppressed and they give all kind of examples from language, to their culture to names of the children to various things. If you ask Turks, they say Kurds are NOT being oppressed. Based on what? I have not heard them give answer to this, as those things that PKK-supporters mention, the Turks don't reply to that.

I dont deny that Kurds were oppressed in Turkey. Most especially after the 1980 coup. We cannot reject both ethnic and cultural existence of kurdish people but you must see the greater picture. PKK was founnded before the coup in 1974 by Apo who was a leader of "turkish nationalists" at the university but disappeared suddenly and popped up as the leader of the "kurdish resistance". All this kurdish problem of the middle east is fed from the conflicts but eventually a plan of America and other western powers. Previously Brits. Brits used first Sheikh Said in Turkey to save Mosul and Kirkuk from Turks and they did it.

So i say you know what i have a VERY VERY VERY easy solution to this. Start a referendum. Give this referendum to ALL the Kurds..so ONLY Kurds not Turks. Ask them do you want independence? So take your land that belongs to you and form Kurdistan?

If no, then ALL the Kurds living in Turkey from now on can join the Turks to fight PKK.
If yes, then Turks have to leave the Kurds alone and let them separate from Turkey and start their own Kurdistan.

Isn't this easy solution? This is being human and let people decide for themselves what what they want to go.

You cannot say Turkey belongs to the Turks. No, as Kurds have about 30-40% of South-Eastern part of the modern day Turkey. So they are free to choose to stay with the Turks or go and be independent from Turkey.

Can you draw the map of "Kurdistan" in Turkey? All those so called maps of Kurdistan are only exegeration. Kurds dont have a majority in some parts of those maps. There are many provinces where Kurds and Turks are mixed up that you cannot simply draw a line between them. There are people who are mixed Turk and Kurd and other. Also there are many other ethnic minorities in Turkey than Kurds. What will be their borders? Even if you intend to do it, it will cause even more problems than before.

So get away your nationalism, as that isn't according to how Islam deals with these things. You go Islam or you go nationalism..choose one of the two. For me again, if they say we go for Turkey...i say i am good with their choice. If they say we go and be independent from Turkey i say i am good with their choice. So do you say the same? And if no, do explain. Please do reply to my comments as i smell a lot of hypocrisy coming from you when i corner you with certain questions and you not replying to them. I do not like dishonest people and i expect at least some reply with some honesty if you say i am a Muslim.

Haha. You write quite long posts usually and i don't have time to even read all of them most of the time. sorry for that. I try to answer you. but if I dont reply dont think it is because I run from you..The answer is Islam yes. As the answer for all the problems of this world is Islam. But how? You say you are not nationalist but all of your posts smell tons of nationalism. you imply your kurdishness in every post of you. If you didnt care it as you say, you wouldnt be mentioning it that much..Wrong?

(3) These people are the Medes, the ancestors of the Kurds and also the people who say we are Persians but rather are also Kurds.

yeah maybe meds were the common ancestors of todays' kurds and persians. You try to appropriate it to kurds. you want to be proud of that. Welcome to nationalism. :)

[beleiver]

Well again as a Kurd myself and see YPG, or PKK or PDK or PUk or PJAK or Gorran..whatever party do something, i follow Islamic way of living. However also as a Kurd, what i have seen is oppression. So the parts that Kurds live, i will NEVER say YPG must not conquer those parts. Those part simply belong to the Kurds and if Kurds living there agree that YPG in THEIR name can represent those place, i say i'm all good. Am i pro YPG? absolutely not, as they represent rather no Islamic way of life. However if they let people practice what they want to practice, better that than living under a dictator.

If there is another group that tries to occupy certain territories that Kurds live and the Kurds are also happy with that group, i say again, i am all good. So if let's say Syrian Army or Free Syrian Army would represent certain part and it is full of Kurds but the Kurds are happy and satisfied and don't feel oppressed. Well it is THEIR choice and i have NOTHING to do with it. So i am all good.

However right now Turkey isn't doing that. Among Kurdish regions in Northern Syria, there are people that are happy that YPG or SDF is representing them, while being Arab or Turkmen. Who am i to say..no i object to that? The people are happy with who is controlling the territory so i have NOTHING to say about it.

An example to this is in Cyprus. I was watching a documentary a few years ago and the Turkish Cypriots they saw Greek Cypriots as their brothers and NOT the Turks going there and inhabiting the place. I was kind of shocked. One of the Turkish Cypriots said, all we have in common with the Turks is the language, NOTHING else besides that. So if those people themselves are NOT happy with Turks being there, who am i or whoever it might be to say well not Turkey must occupy those territories.

That is why Islamic law cannot be applied to ANY place if the people themselves don't want it even though by majority saying they are Muslims. The hearts of the people need to be conquered first, before the people wanting you to represent them. This till now i have seen with parts of northern Syria that they are happy with YPG representing them.

Turkey however objects this. Why? Again..NOTHING has to do with YPG being part of PKK or so. They hate the Kurds to the core, as they even object Kurds (KRG - Kurdistan Regional Government) in northern Iraq to go their own in referendum for independence. Even just recently the Turks were FIERCELY against Kurdish flag being hung on Ataturk airport. What have those Kurds to do with PKK or YPG? Absolutely NOTHING. This rather being a confirmation that they hate my very being as a Kurd. In other words, for me is rather a sign..don't take these people as my friends and allies. Among Turks there are those that would see secular and nationalistic Turkey fall even today to make place for a REAL Islamic Caliphate that is ruled according to justice. However many because their center is Turkish nationalism, they cannot utter those words. In your heart only exists Islam and everything else circles around OR nationalism and everything else circles around. When you die..nationalism will not benefit you even one bit. However the person who is blind, will not understand these words.

Brings me back to a post i made about the constitution of Medina which would be a good example of a real Caliphate?
Seems you were right in your reply that it wasn't secular as in being governed by religious law, but the constitution protected all faiths and the separate communities governed them selves, but there was a co-operative body to resolve disputes, a kind of stateless society?
Isnt this what the YPG/PKK/SDF are aiming for?
I know their ideology is inspired by Ocalan who is Atheist but there was a conference with Islamic scholars on how it fits in with Islamic law and a true Islamic state, using the constitution of Medina as an example.. I think (correct me if wrong) the Majority of his supporters are Muslims?
I have looked quite deep into the YPG ideology and its inspired by an Anarchist philosopher which drew my attention, me being of that persuasion, It seems there are a good few provisions in the Rojava constitution that are very Islamic in Nature, they might grant women more freedom for example but are against advertising and literature that sexualise women and promotes extramarital sex and several other guidelines that to me seem very in keeping with Islamic way of life..

Nationalism IMHO is a great curse of humanity, there is no better example of divide and conquer..
The Kurdish struggle seems similar to that of the Basques of northern Spain, both mountain people with their own ancient language and culture, A people that never will bee fully conquered in spirit..
The basques too of course have a problem with nationalists from foreign lands trying to govern them, take their land and destroy their way of life, i am familiar with that part of the world and their culture and ideology is very much that of the co-operative autonomous stateless society that is being attempted in Rojava, which imho is very similar to the first Caliphate, and if a system is to be ruled by Justice then it is to be ruled by Gods law/natural law how ever one chooses to look at it..Its a way that is ingrained in human struggle against oppression.

When the below quote is not respected there will always be conflict, guaranteed..And am i right that in Arabic, the word religion can also translate as way of life?

To You Your Religion and To Me Mine (Qur'an 109:1-6)

[anatolian]

@believer ocalan was the founder and leader of pkk not only inspired them. You are condemning nationalism but pkk are a national-socialist group. Most of them are atheist and some even reverted back to zoroastrianism in the name of kurdish nationalism. And they are not against extramarital sex they are practising it on the mountains as usual. Exmembers tell us that. Not mentioning the crimes they commited. They are a barbaric terrorist group. Your associating them with the Madina constitution is disrespectful

[Simple_Person]

Inshallah you are not going to the reason from the result. That's the question I ask anyway. if there is no oppression on Kurds in Iran, why does PJAK exist? You must prove it to claim it. It seems to me the reason is Kurdish groups are being used by America to weaken the countries in the middle east which are a potential thread to them. Kurdish groups have been the tongs of America in the region for a long while. America using Kurds to weaken Iran.

Sub'han'Allah, this Turkish nationalism disgusts me. But Day of Judgement for sure will come, so i say if you day upon this Turkish nationalism, go gather as many good deeds as possible, as you will be handing them over to many Kurds.

Go study a bit of history dude.

http://aranews.net/2016/10/kurdish-p...an-oppression/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/sara-ak...b_5818438.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...0QW24H20150827
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...tack-irgc.html


You just want things to fit your narrative. You accuse me of being nationalistic, while i say oppression and the truth. You acusse me of nationalism, while i speak the facts. For example, I don't like Gulen, as he is also a Turkish nationalist, however truth is truth as the coup was a false flag to get rid of Gulen-supporters. If i was a Kurdish nationalist, i would have kept my mouth shut. However truth is truth.

Yes it is first rule of the Newton mechanics but it doesnt work in politics as in physics. It is the general strategy of the American imperialist policy to look for the conflicts in the hard regions and use it to create a battle enviroment so that they can control these lands easier. If there was one central Iraqi government they could not have that much control power overthere.

The Kurds in major parts were fighting against Ottoman rules back then, the question is why? I mean if Islamic values were brought, why would they fight Ottoman rule? However not only Kurds were unsatisfied, but also Arabs and other groups under Ottoman rule. But that aside, after WW1, began the real oppression. However you think this only started after 1980? Dude Mustafa Kemal aka Crypto-Jew was the source of all this oppression. His ideas have fit Zionists agenda PERFECTLY. I have even heard that people aren't allowed to dig in to his biography. He was never married, no children, he drank alcohol, he abolished Arabic alphabet, he denied so many Islamic teachings even wanting to do the adhan in Turkish etc.

Go curse at Mustafa Kemal, yet you follow like a blind sheep that narrative of his idea. This nationalism is 100% in the interest of the Zionist. I want you to say "By Allah i want Turkey fall, no independent Kurdistan, no independent Turkey but a REAL Islamic Caliphate". Utter those words if you say i am a true Muslim.

Have you forgotten about this one? As the oppression began after this.
Treaty of Sevres: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_S%C3%A8vres

You are trying to make America the evil one to take attention away from Turkey. Turks do this always, but have you looked at the Kurds themselves what they want? What is the reason that they want that? You still have not answered those questions. I mean PKK is one thing, why do i also say such a things, if there was and still isn't any oppression? You think if oppression had taken place once, but now not anymore, why did many people who were not really big fan of PKK, suddenly go vote for HDP? If somebody has stabbed me in the back, my trust in that person has lost completely, yet you think what Turks have done is history and Kurds still need to trust Turks. However with Erdogan they indeed gained some trust in him, well look at what he has achieved again. Locking up HDP, because HDP did not agree with what he wanted. Again starting fight with PKK, while we both know the war with PKK will NEVER end. Then starting to fight PKK in Kurdish areas. Many people have died and tat is why Erdogan wanted those free visa's so badly for Turks to go to EU, so Kurds could go by masses to EU. In other words, change the demographics. Many Syrian refugees could take place in those areas that Kurds once lived. In other words be loyal to Erdogan. You think people don't see these things? Yet the dishonesty of you and many Turks like you is making me disgusted.

However, again, go collect many good deeds, because MANY MANY Kurds will be coming to gather them on the Day of Judgement.

Have you also forgotten about this one?

"The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother what he likes for himself.""

Source used: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/2/6

If the Kurds want a independent country, be it even 1% of the modern day Turkey, would you allow? If not, go curse at Rasullah(saws) for saying such a thing as you apparently don't like what he has said or in other words, go curse at Allah(swt) as you apparently do not agree that Allah(swt) has sent His last messenger.

I dont deny that Kurds were oppressed in Turkey. Most especially after the 1980 coup. We cannot reject both ethnic and cultural existence of kurdish people but you must see the greater picture. PKK was founnded before the coup in 1974 by Apo who was a leader of "turkish nationalists" at the university but disappeared suddenly and popped up as the leader of the "kurdish resistance". All this kurdish problem of the middle east is fed from the conflicts but eventually a plan of America and other western powers. Previously Brits. Brits used first Sheikh Said in Turkey to save Mosul and Kirkuk from Turks and they did it.

Again i refer you about the reply above from Mustafa Kemal, not from the coup of 1980. With Ocalan, i do not see him as my leader and never have and never will. However i also find it very unusual what you say here. Where do you have gotten that that Ocalan was a leader of Turkish nationalists? Do provide me a source that is NOT of Turkish sources. My argument is just simple. Give Kurds what they want within Turkey even, they will not support PKK. Let them have anything that they desire so to say from education to all cultural habits etc. Their names are NOT Kurdish names, starting with allowing them to change those. You will see PKK will get no support anymore. Go and spit in Erdogan's face and with all anger say to him to give Kurds that. If he has done those things, i will keep my mouth shut, however all what i have observed, he doesn't want Turkish nationalism to disappear.

Can you draw the map of "Kurdistan" in Turkey? All those so called maps of Kurdistan are only exegeration. Kurds dont have a majority in some parts of those maps. There are many provinces where Kurds and Turks are mixed up that you cannot simply draw a line between them. There are people who are mixed Turk and Kurd and other. Also there are many other ethnic minorities in Turkey than Kurds. What will be their borders? Even if you intend to do it, it will cause even more problems than before.

There are maps that have been drawn, that go all the way to Mediterranean sea, these maps are false, probably done by Kurdish nationalists. However truth is truth and i will not speak a lie. Kurds never had land that were on the Mediterranean sea. All the other maps, i do agree, however as Turks also have tried to assimilate Kurds, many Kurds that were on the "border" with the Turks have been assimilated. Many speak Kurdish barely or don't speak it anymore. Some even say i am a Turks, but my dad was a Kurd and down that road. The core Kurds still exist for example in places further towards south-east. This changing of demographics have also tried done in Kirkuk. However what belongs to a people, belongs to a people, so even if it is already 2-3 generation further down the road. What i mean by belong, is if it is taken away from them by force. The Zionists for example had no right to do what they have done.

Every ethnic group decides for themselves what they want, so do not ask me what must happen to another group. Everybody is free in their own choice.

Haha. You write quite long posts usually and i don't have time to even read all of them most of the time. sorry for that. I try to answer you. but if I dont reply dont think it is because I run from you..The answer is Islam yes. As the answer for all the problems of this world is Islam. But how? You say you are not nationalist but all of your posts smell tons of nationalism. you imply your kurdishness in every post of you. If you didnt care it as you say, you wouldnt be mentioning it that much..Wrong?

Sub'han'Allah, when i speak of oppression and truth, you make it Kurdish nationalism. If i was a Kurdish nationalist, why would i speak of Gulen? Do give me an explanation to that. I come to the defense of Gulen not being behind the coup based on logic, rationality and reason, while he is like Erdogan to the core Turkish nationalist. Logically speaking, i would not defend such a Turkish nationalist, rather keep my mouth shut, however truth is truth. I will be waiting for your response.

yeah maybe meds were the common ancestors of todays' kurds and persians. You try to appropriate it to kurds. you want to be proud of that. Welcome to nationalism. :)

No, Kurds have of today being come out of the Medes, the Persians again, are NOT a race. Nothing of the Medes exist. So what makes the Persians Persians? Nothing, because again Persians are NOT a race.

To give you an example. There is a large part of the Yazidi's that say i am not a Kurd, i am a Yazidi. But a Yazidi is like a Muslim, Christian, Jew..this is somebody who follows certain religion. Yazidi's are also Kurds. But Kurdish Yazidi, like i am a Kurdish Muslim. So again, persian does not exist as that is not a race, that is why i say they are also Kurds. The Iranians of today, many are not even Kurds, but like Turks through out the years branded themselves Iranians. While a small part i believe are the Persians aka Kurds and i am not talking about the Kurds in Mahabad and surroundings.

When you look at peoples faces you can see for example where they have come from. In Turkey for example the REAL Turks have those Asian eyes. The rest are migrants from neighboring areas and branded themselves Turks.

So the question also to you is, are you a REAL Turk with those Asian eyes or probably a Kurd or Armenians or from Balkan area's?

So it is much deeper that how you make things, but that is what Turkish nationalism does. You guys see nothing beyond Turkish nationalism. I ask questions and everything is put on the category America is behind it. Well why are you part of NATO then. This is all hypocrisy dude. Why haven't you guys invaded together with Arab countries the Zionist state? However nationalism doesn't care about other countries, only their own country.

[Simple_Person]

@believer ocalan was the founder and leader of pkk not only inspired them. You are condemning nationalism but pkk are a national-socialist group. Most of them are atheist and some even reverted back to zoroastrianism in the name of kurdish nationalism. And they are not against extramarital sex they are practising it on the mountains as usual. Exmembers tell us that. Not mentioning the crimes they commited. They are a barbaric terrorist group. Your associating them with the Madina constitution is disrespectful

@believer , bro, observe this is the typical nationalist behavior. There is nationalism and their is religion. You will see ALWAYS when Turks want to dismiss PKK as bad, they start about them being atheist. Somebody being atheist or not atheist, if they are fighting oppression, it is fighting oppression. Many Muslims now a days are PRO-oppression in other words they work with the oppressor, but that is a BAD thing in Islam. So suddenly religion isn't taken in to the picture.

So observe very careful as this guy is a VERY GOOD example of Turkish nationalism. If you have done X and that is bad, so i do Y that is also bad and somebody says "yo, what you did (Y) is bad, i point at you and say but look at @believer he has done X which is bad". Your case is your case and my case is my case.

If i would be dragged to court, i will have to answer to my bad action and you have to answer for your action.

Keep your attention with Turks always with what they try to do. They point at the flaws and errors and evil things of others, trying to hide their flaws, errors and evil things. In the past when i showed their hypocrisy in the open you know what they do? They then tried to play the religion card in the sense as "but we are Muslim brothers"..However just a moment ago trying to discard what i was saying about oppression and when i revealed their hypocrisy when they were trying to hide it, they try suddenly to be brothers to cover up the dishonesty and losing face.

Also they say all those barbaric acts, have PKK done bad things in the past? WITHOUT a doubt. However them having done those bad things, doesn't make Turkish oppression justified. Also PKK is the outcome from something. You do not go outside with a umbrella if it is a sunny day and have no skin issues. Action --> reaction. So @believer , pay attention to the details about the dishonesty.

This dishonesty is KILLING me, so how can i say that these people are my brothers? I mean you are not a Kurd nor a Turk, but can you see he says he is a Muslim i as a Muslim Kurd HOW can have i have a good relation with such dishonest people?

[Simple_Person]

Brings me back to a post i made about the constitution of Medina which would be a good example of a real Caliphate?
Seems you were right in your reply that it wasn't secular as in being governed by religious law, but the constitution protected all faiths and the separate communities governed them selves, but there was a co-operative body to resolve disputes, a kind of stateless society?
Isnt this what the YPG/PKK/SDF are aiming for?
I know their ideology is inspired by Ocalan who is Atheist but there was a conference with Islamic scholars on how it fits in with Islamic law and a true Islamic state, using the constitution of Medina as an example.. I think (correct me if wrong) the Majority of his supporters are Muslims?
I have looked quite deep into the YPG ideology and its inspired by an Anarchist philosopher which drew my attention, me being of that persuasion, It seems there are a good few provisions in the Rojava constitution that are very Islamic in Nature, they might grant women more freedom for example but are against advertising and literature that sexualise women and promotes extramarital sex and several other guidelines that to me seem very in keeping with Islamic way of life..

Nationalism IMHO is a great curse of humanity, there is no better example of divide and conquer..
The Kurdish struggle seems similar to that of the Basques of northern Spain, both mountain people with their own ancient language and culture, A people that never will bee fully conquered in spirit..
The basques too of course have a problem with nationalists from foreign lands trying to govern them, take their land and destroy their way of life, i am familiar with that part of the world and their culture and ideology is very much that of the co-operative autonomous stateless society that is being attempted in Rojava, which imho is very similar to the first Caliphate, and if a system is to be ruled by Justice then it is to be ruled by Gods law/natural law how ever one chooses to look at it..Its a way that is ingrained in human struggle against oppression.

When the below quote is not respected there will always be conflict, guaranteed..And am i right that in Arabic, the word religion can also translate as way of life?

To You Your Religion and To Me Mine (Qur'an 109:1-6)

Well the constitution of Medina was not the Real Islamic Caliphate. Constitution of Medina was rather a step before the Real Islamic Caliphate. The constitution of Medina was the agreement of the boundaries between the religions. All the three religions have had certain laws. Indeed you are correct that each community governed themselves, so Christians governed their own, like the Jews and like the Muslims.

About the disputes, i am not sure, but as far as i know is that if you and i have a dispute, that doesn't mean we have to go to the court. We can also go to for example your dad. If you say what about if my dad does the judgement after hearing both of us and i respect your dad and always have honored him with his wisdom, i might have agreed to it. So saying indeed let him be the judge between us who is right in this matter. If your dad might have said i am right and you are right than that was the judgement.

About more severe crimes, i believe still both the parties must first agree to this to where they want to be judged. So in case of Muslim and a Christian i am not sure but you could be right that a co-operative body did those cases. In case of two Muslims with severe crime, they went to a Islamic court that handled the verdict. However i am not sure in Christian and Jewish laws, but in Islamic Law something exists like forgiveness. If person X has killed or stolen something from Person Y and person X shows he is sorry about it with all honesty so to say, person Y can forgive him. The court is ONLY the one that proceeds the judgement. While in secular law if somebody one have killed my wife and i forgive that somebody, still that individual is being punished.

On paper this MIGHT be what YPG,PKK or SDF trying to achieve, but there is only 1 minor problem or rather say MAJOR problem to this. Secular something is VERY dangerous. Why? Because there is no guarantee for tomorrow. If tomorrow from those Muslims, Christians and Jews 90% becomes secular, only 10% being Muslim, Christian, Jewish, the 90% suddenly can decide we will abolish certain laws. Look at the west for example with blasphemy law. More and more secular countries are abolishing this law.

Under what i said REAL Islamic Caliphate, there is a no-change in laws. It is according to Islamic teachings. So Christians are guaranteed protection and freedom of religion, like the Jews and other religion as well. However again with the limits of Islamic Law. So for example you said sexualzation of women or society is forbidden, this will stay like this despite more people becoming secular. Also under Islamic Law, Christians govern their own people like Jewish. So Jewish court and Christian court. You could say it is the same as constitution of Medina, but GUARANTEED to not be changed as Muslim govern the land that keep people transgressing those borders to so say.

You said it correctly, many Turks and even Kurds say the supporters of Ocalan are atheists, but that is false. Like you said majority are Muslims. When oppression happens, there is no ooh he is an atheist, i would rather not join him. No oppression is oppression and if even a Hindu that does idol-worship from a Muslim point of view, but fights against oppression, Muslims can unite under this same goal to fight the oppressor. Muslims with every group have some common goal, but always be a bit skeptical about what somebody is saying is also what somebody is doing.

The constitution must be very Islamic in nature, because if it isn't what is the use of it as majority of the people living there are Muslims. The Islamic nature of the constitution can also by majority applied to other religions. But again, like i said the secular drop has its dangerous as we see in reality in the west.

Indeed nationalism is the BEST way to divide people, but majority of the Muslims now a days are blinded by it. They cannot see beyond, but this is what Allah is doing to them. If somebody turns away from the signs of Allah, He will blind them. When you not being a Muslim or even coming from the Middle East say even this, yet MANY Muslims themselves not seeing this, this shows how blinded people have become. I was also once slowly becoming a Kurdish nationalist, however when pondering more and going further in to the road seeing how people have become sheep and nationalism not benefiting you whatsoever i threw away alhamdulillah a lot out. The last thing i had was a Kurdish flag and even that one i gave it away. Now i see things for really what are going on, but how can i convince somebody that nationalism is the dividends between Muslims if they are blind to see it.

However looking at where the world is heading towards, it does not look good.

About the Arabic language, well i am not a Arabic speaker, so i cannot tell you that sorry :). Although i am trying to learn the Arabic language.

This whole life is a test as how Islam sees it. If you want to be a Muslim go ahead, if you want to be a Christian go a head, if you want to be secular go ahead, if you want to steal something go ahead, if you want to kill somebody go ahead do whatever you want, but KNOW every test has a end and there will be a result to it. So Day of Judgement even if somebody says i am an atheist, doesn't mean there is no Day of Judgement.

[beleiver]

@believer ocalan was the founder and leader of pkk not only inspired them. You are condemning nationalism but pkk are a national-socialist group. Most of them are atheist and some even reverted back to zoroastrianism in the name of kurdish nationalism. And they are not against extramarital sex they are practising it on the mountains as usual. Exmembers tell us that. Not mentioning the crimes they commited. They are a barbaric terrorist group. Your associating them with the Madina constitution is disrespectful

Ocalan his ideology has changed over the years, he started out as a marxist/communist and he now advocates a more Anarchic ideology sorry cant remember the name off top of my head, but based on co-operative direct democracy as in against hierarchy on priciple..National- Socialism is the polar opposite, National-socialists is fully hierarchical in nature and in ww2 the national socialists attacked first the communists and co-operative socialists and Anarchists..they are complete polar opposites on a massive scale..

And i am just relating what happened, there was indeed a conference with Muslim clergy discussing Ocalans ideas as practiced by YPG in the context of the Medina constitution...Sorry if you find it offensive, it was not my intention, i was just reporting something that happened..

As for the extramarital sex.. what they preach and what they practice are two different things i am sure, but true of some people from all faiths and cultures every where on the planet.

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Hmmmm I dont know what to make of it. Theres a lot of smoke and mirrors going on. Some say this event is linked to the internal power struggle going on within the White House. In fact this attack could be seen as a warning to North Korea.

I think we can dispense with the fantasy that Trump did this for humanitarian reasons.

Trump using a human tragedy for his own ends

To date the US lead coalition has conducted approximately 7,900 airstrikes in Syria, killing 260 civilians in Syria in March 2017 alone. Most notably was the strike on a Mosque in Aleppo that resulted in the reported killing of 56 worshippers.

The USA has now been militarily involved in the Syrian conflict for at least 31 months with its presence ever increasing. The civilian death toll has been immense with a reported 2000 killed last month across Syria and Iraq by coalition forces.

It is therefore extremely naive to describe the latest American airstrikes as humanitarian in nature or even as an attempt to exact ‘justice’ against the depraved regime of Bashar Al-Assad.

Such ‘decisive’ action has not followed the brutal massacres in Aleppo, because it would seem the weapons used there were crude barrel bombs and conventional artillery. The message is clear: so long as Syrian’s are not killed by chemical weapons, western ambivalence to the crimes of the regime will continue.

When it comes to its actions, the US ‘red line’ seems to be concerned with appearances rather than substance.
A public relations move with little impact

The limited strikes, carried out overnight, serve only to strengthen Trump’s image as a ‘strong’ president in contrast with the perceived inaction of Obama. The strikes have not damaged the regime’s capacity to mount airstrikes, nor will it protect the lives of innocent civilians.

At midday yesterday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that Syrian warplanes had taken off from an air base hit by US to carry out strikes in the Homs countryside.

Syrian journalist, Mousa Al-Omar questioned the selected targets of the strikes:

“In bombing Syrian civilians the regime primarily relies upon Hama Airports (for barrel bombs) and Al-Dameer, Al-Seen and Khalkhala (for fighter jets). What took you to Al-Shi’rat?”

Reports have also emerged that the regime, which lost only 6 men in the strikes, was alerted and evacuated the targeted airfield before the strikes.

Moazzam Begg, CAGE’s outreach director added in a Facebook post, “…America kills 6 Syrian soldiers with 59 missiles? They normally get far more than that by mistake.”

Assad, once an ally and now a convenient enemy

The US worked very closely with the Syrian regime in the War on Terror. In fact the US notoriously renditioned four Canadian citizens, one of them from the American mainland, and one other German citizen to Syria. They are, Maher Arar, Abdullah Almalki, Muayyad Nureddin, Ahmad Abou El Maati and the German Mohammed Haydar Zammar. They were taken to the infamous Fara’ Falestin, Palestine Branch detention centre, known for its indescribable degrading torture and treatment.

Another infamous case is that of Abu Mus’ab As-Suri, who was arrested in late 2005 in Quetta, Pakistan, handed over to the US and held at the US naval base on the British Islands of Diego Garcia. He was handed over to the Syrian regime and disappeared, in all likelihood tortured mercilessly for his support of the 1980’s Hama uprising.

This all happened behind the scenes while the regime was designated as part Bush’s of supposed “Axis of Evil”.

In recent years, Assad has become a convenient enemy. Although the coalition and Assad’s regime are bombing on the same side much of the time, in distancing themselves from his actions publicly, the USA is able to occupy a faux moral high ground.

A war of words between war criminals

While we now witness a diplomatic war of words and posturing between Russia, Syrian regime and the US, many more innocent civilians will be killed through their actions.

The regime’s response was a declaration that the strikes have “increased Syria’s determination to strike the terrorist agents”. They too have learned to co opt the language of the War on Terror to justify unlawful activities.

Syria has become an international bombing arena with countries involved in criminal actions with impunity.

The US secretary of state declared that the gas attack contravened international law and norms. This begs the question: is the US, in its bombing of civilians, following these international laws and norms?

https://cage.ngo/article/make-no-mistake-trump-is-no-friend-of-the-syrian-people/

[سيف الله]

Salaam

More confirmation

The More That Civilians Are Killed by US Bombs, the More That Trump Seems Not to Care

A little less than two months ago, I predicted in MEMO that the botched Yemen raid that constituted Donald Trump’s first major military action was only a sign of things to come. The bloodthirsty Trump doctrine is even bloodier than I imagined. Last week, up to two hundred Iraqi civilians were killed in US air strikes in Mosul, following American targeting of a Syrian school, where dozens died, and another mosque the week before, which killed forty unarmed Syrians. The Pentagon has quietly approved rules of engagement that permit air strikes against Daesh even when US missiles have the potential to cause significant civilian casualties

What has happened here is unforgivable. For all his many faults, President Barack Obama pushed American decision-making on civilian casualties in the right direction, by tightening up the rules of engagement. This was a source of moderate frustration to the United States Air Force and even more frustration to America’s Iraqi allies, who wanted many more bombs to be dropped on so-called “Islamic State” than Obama would allow. Those rules have now been torn up. As Glenn Greenwald has analysed correctly for the Intercept, “The number of air strikes actually decreased in March, even as civilian deaths rose — strongly suggesting that the US military has become even more reckless about civilian deaths under Trump than it was under Obama.” In January and February, for the first time, Western coalition civilian casualties outstripped those killed and maimed by Russia. That is a remarkable shift which has gone completely unnoticed by the Western media; Trump is killing more Iraqis and Syrians than Putin.

The most galling aspect of this is that these additional civilian deaths are entirely unnecessary. It is a bitter fact of war — and one of the reasons why it should always be a last resort — that civilians will be killed, and that war crimes of some description will take place. Yet even as Trump took office in January, Daesh was in deep crisis. It had lost much of its territory, and been routed from strongholds including Fallujah, Ramadi, Minbaj and Palmyra. It was fighting Hezbollah, the Syrian army, the Russian air force and Special Forces, as well as Kurdish units and Iraqi special and regular forces. Its last strongholds, Mosul and Raqqa, were within reach of the group’s enemies. When Trump moved into the White House, despite his rhetoric playing on Americans’ general ignorance of the wider world, Daesh was in fact a beleaguered and belittled organisation that was failing to provide water and electricity because of plummeting revenues; being forced to raise taxes on an already restless population; and even reducing the salaries of its fighters. Why then, has Trump deemed it necessary to up the ante?

Partly, I think, this is about macho propaganda. The yee-hah Hollywood hero approach to warfare is certainly in line with Trump’s own churlish and tacky view of the world. During his election campaign he famously said, “I would bomb the **** out of them… I would just bomb those suckers, and that’s right, I’d blow up the pipes. I’d blow up the refineries. I’d blow up every single inch. There would be nothing left.” I’m sure it made Trump feel like a big strong man, and the oafs cheering for him from the floor perhaps felt some pseudo-masculinity creeping through their veins, but that sort of rhetoric doesn’t really marry up to the serious business of soldiering.

Secondly, Trump’s key ideologue lieutenants Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka seem to regard Muslims as sub-human and, at the very least, part of the terrorism problem per se. Hence, having Muslim civilians being killed is less of a problem to them than if Christians were being killed. Both men are totally inexperienced in international security matters — but, incredibly, still sit on the National Security Council — and it shows. Rita Siemion, the international legal counsel at Human Rights First, suggested that, “When our operations harm civilians, we weaken those partnerships, lose intelligence opportunities, provide propaganda and recruitment to terrorist groups and increase harm.” She is right; Gorka and Bannon are wrong.

Thirdly, the American media is largely failing to report or criticise this spike in civilian deaths. Even Vox, which sets its stall out as a liberal, go-to news source, doesn’t seem to get it: “US air strikes are killing a lot more civilians. And no one is sure why,” it claims, as if the strange new orange man in the White House isn’t the blindingly obvious cause.

There is no doubt that the people living under “Islamic State” want to be freed and that they should be. The question is, to put it crudely, how few of them can be killed in order to save the rest? Obama may have made himself out to be more pacifist than he really was — just look to his killer drone programmes — but Trump is taking the American tradition of wild belligerence and gung-ho warfare to a whole new level. He also risks losing the goodwill of the people he is claiming to care for; those who are enduring Daesh directly, although if he is anywhere near as anti-Muslim as his advisers are, then he probably just doesn’t care anyway.

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-comment/2489-the-more-that-civilians-are-killed-by-us-bombs-the-more-that-trump-seems-not-to-care

[anatolian]

All those so called Kurdish groups are the pawns of the American imperialism in the Middle east nothing more

[praisetoallah]

Salaam

More confirmation

The More That Civilians Are Killed by US Bombs, the More That Trump Seems Not to Care

A little less than two months ago, I predicted in MEMO that the botched Yemen raid that constituted Donald Trump’s first major military action was only a sign of things to come. The bloodthirsty Trump doctrine is even bloodier than I imagined. Last week, up to two hundred Iraqi civilians were killed in US air strikes in Mosul, following American targeting of a Syrian school, where dozens died, and another mosque the week before, which killed forty unarmed Syrians. The Pentagon has quietly approved rules of engagement that permit air strikes against Daesh even when US missiles have the potential to cause significant civilian casualties

What has happened here is unforgivable. For all his many faults, President Barack Obama pushed American decision-making on civilian casualties in the right direction, by tightening up the rules of engagement. This was a source of moderate frustration to the United States Air Force and even more frustration to America’s Iraqi allies, who wanted many more bombs to be dropped on so-called “Islamic State” than Obama would allow. Those rules have now been torn up. As Glenn Greenwald has analysed correctly for the Intercept, “The number of air strikes actually decreased in March, even as civilian deaths rose — strongly suggesting that the US military has become even more reckless about civilian deaths under Trump than it was under Obama.” In January and February, for the first time, Western coalition civilian casualties outstripped those killed and maimed by Russia. That is a remarkable shift which has gone completely unnoticed by the Western media; Trump is killing more Iraqis and Syrians than Putin.

The most galling aspect of this is that these additional civilian deaths are entirely unnecessary. It is a bitter fact of war — and one of the reasons why it should always be a last resort — that civilians will be killed, and that war crimes of some description will take place. Yet even as Trump took office in January, Daesh was in deep crisis. It had lost much of its territory, and been routed from strongholds including Fallujah, Ramadi, Minbaj and Palmyra. It was fighting Hezbollah, the Syrian army, the Russian air force and Special Forces, as well as Kurdish units and Iraqi special and regular forces. Its last strongholds, Mosul and Raqqa, were within reach of the group’s enemies. When Trump moved into the White House, despite his rhetoric playing on Americans’ general ignorance of the wider world, Daesh was in fact a beleaguered and belittled organisation that was failing to provide water and electricity because of plummeting revenues; being forced to raise taxes on an already restless population; and even reducing the salaries of its fighters. Why then, has Trump deemed it necessary to up the ante?

Partly, I think, this is about macho propaganda. The yee-hah Hollywood hero approach to warfare is certainly in line with Trump’s own churlish and tacky view of the world. During his election campaign he famously said, “I would bomb the **** out of them… I would just bomb those suckers, and that’s right, I’d blow up the pipes. I’d blow up the refineries. I’d blow up every single inch. There would be nothing left.” I’m sure it made Trump feel like a big strong man, and the oafs cheering for him from the floor perhaps felt some pseudo-masculinity creeping through their veins, but that sort of rhetoric doesn’t really marry up to the serious business of soldiering.

Secondly, Trump’s key ideologue lieutenants Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka seem to regard Muslims as sub-human and, at the very least, part of the terrorism problem per se. Hence, having Muslim civilians being killed is less of a problem to them than if Christians were being killed. Both men are totally inexperienced in international security matters — but, incredibly, still sit on the National Security Council — and it shows. Rita Siemion, the international legal counsel at Human Rights First, suggested that, “When our operations harm civilians, we weaken those partnerships, lose intelligence opportunities, provide propaganda and recruitment to terrorist groups and increase harm.” She is right; Gorka and Bannon are wrong.

Thirdly, the American media is largely failing to report or criticise this spike in civilian deaths. Even Vox, which sets its stall out as a liberal, go-to news source, doesn’t seem to get it: “US air strikes are killing a lot more civilians. And no one is sure why,” it claims, as if the strange new orange man in the White House isn’t the blindingly obvious cause.

There is no doubt that the people living under “Islamic State” want to be freed and that they should be. The question is, to put it crudely, how few of them can be killed in order to save the rest? Obama may have made himself out to be more pacifist than he really was — just look to his killer drone programmes — but Trump is taking the American tradition of wild belligerence and gung-ho warfare to a whole new level. He also risks losing the goodwill of the people he is claiming to care for; those who are enduring Daesh directly, although if he is anywhere near as anti-Muslim as his advisers are, then he probably just doesn’t care anyway.

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/...ms-not-to-care

I hope that the world understands that trump only stands for certain Americans views. As an American I can tell you I find his political and personal views disgusting. Not all of us in America agree with his racist views or his treatment of women. It is a good thing to try and protect people from harm such as the chemical attack but in doing so he has murdered innocents as well. He is a ruthless ignorant human being .

[anatolian]

The idiot reveals it out...

[Simple_Person]

Ocalan his ideology has changed over the years, he started out as a marxist/communist and he now advocates a more Anarchic ideology sorry cant remember the name off top of my head, but based on co-operative direct democracy as in against hierarchy on priciple..National- Socialism is the polar opposite, National-socialists is fully hierarchical in nature and in ww2 the national socialists attacked first the communists and co-operative socialists and Anarchists..they are complete polar opposites on a massive scale..

And i am just relating what happened, there was indeed a conference with Muslim clergy discussing Ocalans ideas as practiced by YPG in the context of the Medina constitution...Sorry if you find it offensive, it was not my intention, i was just reporting something that happened..

As for the extramarital sex.. what they preach and what they practice are two different things i am sure, but true of some people from all faiths and cultures every where on the planet.

The world that we are currently living in, has too many puppets. So hypothetically if lets say this ideology of takes place, the problem is not the constitution it self, the problem is the people who govern it. If one is not afraid of his Creator, well it is no use. In other words, corruption, treason and such. I mean how many people are really working for the enemy..for money. Look at the recent general Michael Flynn from Trump administration that later on was revealed he was lobbying for Turkey. Where is the American people and their interests? So even if we have a country that is according to REAL Islamic Law, the people who are governing it, being corrupt and all, well doesn't change a thing.

My hope rather in many people has been lost. People have become liars and the are proud of, people who do not fear their Creator every one of those people have a price. Just give them that money, they would even sell out their own mother. This is for example among the Kurds itself also a fact. Often when you see guys with big belly's those are eating "good" so to say. In the Middle East you see more than enough of those and many are not in the spotlights, but you see them automatically.

So even if Rojava governs themselves, i have very little faith in it, that it would work correctly, because of the factor called human who has no fear of his Creator that prevents him doing corrupt things. Here in the west it is all the same, but you do not hear them as they have such a power that even media is prevented to report on such people.

[Simple_Person]

All those so called Kurdish groups are the pawns of the American imperialism in the Middle east nothing more

As we all know of ahadith about end times, that Turkey will be chaos, so enjoy your little nationalism while you can, because that will not stay forever.

[Simple_Person]

Salaam

More confirmation

The More That Civilians Are Killed by US Bombs, the More That Trump Seems Not to Care

A little less than two months ago, I predicted in MEMO that the botched Yemen raid that constituted Donald Trump’s first major military action was only a sign of things to come. The bloodthirsty Trump doctrine is even bloodier than I imagined. Last week, up to two hundred Iraqi civilians were killed in US air strikes in Mosul, following American targeting of a Syrian school, where dozens died, and another mosque the week before, which killed forty unarmed Syrians. The Pentagon has quietly approved rules of engagement that permit air strikes against Daesh even when US missiles have the potential to cause significant civilian casualties

What has happened here is unforgivable. For all his many faults, President Barack Obama pushed American decision-making on civilian casualties in the right direction, by tightening up the rules of engagement. This was a source of moderate frustration to the United States Air Force and even more frustration to America’s Iraqi allies, who wanted many more bombs to be dropped on so-called “Islamic State” than Obama would allow. Those rules have now been torn up. As Glenn Greenwald has analysed correctly for the Intercept, “The number of air strikes actually decreased in March, even as civilian deaths rose — strongly suggesting that the US military has become even more reckless about civilian deaths under Trump than it was under Obama.” In January and February, for the first time, Western coalition civilian casualties outstripped those killed and maimed by Russia. That is a remarkable shift which has gone completely unnoticed by the Western media; Trump is killing more Iraqis and Syrians than Putin.

The most galling aspect of this is that these additional civilian deaths are entirely unnecessary. It is a bitter fact of war — and one of the reasons why it should always be a last resort — that civilians will be killed, and that war crimes of some description will take place. Yet even as Trump took office in January, Daesh was in deep crisis. It had lost much of its territory, and been routed from strongholds including Fallujah, Ramadi, Minbaj and Palmyra. It was fighting Hezbollah, the Syrian army, the Russian air force and Special Forces, as well as Kurdish units and Iraqi special and regular forces. Its last strongholds, Mosul and Raqqa, were within reach of the group’s enemies. When Trump moved into the White House, despite his rhetoric playing on Americans’ general ignorance of the wider world, Daesh was in fact a beleaguered and belittled organisation that was failing to provide water and electricity because of plummeting revenues; being forced to raise taxes on an already restless population; and even reducing the salaries of its fighters. Why then, has Trump deemed it necessary to up the ante?

Partly, I think, this is about macho propaganda. The yee-hah Hollywood hero approach to warfare is certainly in line with Trump’s own churlish and tacky view of the world. During his election campaign he famously said, “I would bomb the **** out of them… I would just bomb those suckers, and that’s right, I’d blow up the pipes. I’d blow up the refineries. I’d blow up every single inch. There would be nothing left.” I’m sure it made Trump feel like a big strong man, and the oafs cheering for him from the floor perhaps felt some pseudo-masculinity creeping through their veins, but that sort of rhetoric doesn’t really marry up to the serious business of soldiering.

Secondly, Trump’s key ideologue lieutenants Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka seem to regard Muslims as sub-human and, at the very least, part of the terrorism problem per se. Hence, having Muslim civilians being killed is less of a problem to them than if Christians were being killed. Both men are totally inexperienced in international security matters — but, incredibly, still sit on the National Security Council — and it shows. Rita Siemion, the international legal counsel at Human Rights First, suggested that, “When our operations harm civilians, we weaken those partnerships, lose intelligence opportunities, provide propaganda and recruitment to terrorist groups and increase harm.” She is right; Gorka and Bannon are wrong.

Thirdly, the American media is largely failing to report or criticise this spike in civilian deaths. Even Vox, which sets its stall out as a liberal, go-to news source, doesn’t seem to get it: “US air strikes are killing a lot more civilians. And no one is sure why,” it claims, as if the strange new orange man in the White House isn’t the blindingly obvious cause.

There is no doubt that the people living under “Islamic State” want to be freed and that they should be. The question is, to put it crudely, how few of them can be killed in order to save the rest? Obama may have made himself out to be more pacifist than he really was — just look to his killer drone programmes — but Trump is taking the American tradition of wild belligerence and gung-ho warfare to a whole new level. He also risks losing the goodwill of the people he is claiming to care for; those who are enduring Daesh directly, although if he is anywhere near as anti-Muslim as his advisers are, then he probably just doesn’t care anyway.

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/...ms-not-to-care

I'm glad you also ask questions and see what is going on. Yet many Muslims all emotional following very submissive what media is telling them what is happening.

[anatolian]

As we all know of ahadith about end times, that Turkey will be chaos, so enjoy your little nationalism while you can, because that will not stay forever.

There are hadiths which talk about Turks positively. I would suggest you to be friends with Turks.

[Simple_Person]

There are hadiths which talk about Turks positively. I would suggest you to be friends with Turks.

I would love to read that hadith. Because so far, all i have heard from their mouth is hypocrisy and their actions also hypocrisy.

Edit: And if it is talked about Turks for sure and it is a authentic hadith, i can with certainty say it is NOT people with the mentality like you.

[anatolian]

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Edit: And if it is talked about Turks for sure and it is a authentic hadith, i can with certainty say it is NOT people with the mentality like you.

Maybe, I don't know. As you see I never try to associate anything with myself. But what's wrong with my mentality? Is it that I reveal the American imperialist plans with Kurds? And Kurdish groups' participation in this game? You just ignore when I confess that I am agree with you but select the parts in which I disagree with you or your agenda and use them to attack me. Sorry bro, but you have an obsession with Turks. And I am the victim now in your eyes. I normally love the ummah no matter from which background they are from but the prejudices and obsessions like this distort the brotherhood

[Simple_Person]

Maybe, I don't know. As you see I never try to associate anything with myself. But what's wrong with my mentality? Is it that I reveal the American imperialist plans with Kurds? And Kurdish groups' participation in this game? You just ignore when I confess that I am agree with you but select the parts in which I disagree with you or your agenda and use them to attack me. Sorry bro, but you have an obsession with Turks. And I am the victim now in your eyes. I normally love the ummah no matter from which background they are from but the prejudices and obsessions like this distort the brotherhood

No dude, I do not love anyone that by mouth associate themselves with the Ummah, but their actions don't. So everybody who associates themselves with nationalism, by default i do not see them as my brothers. Be it Turks, be it Kurds, be it Arabs, be it Persians etc. why do i say this? Because when such a day would come that i would turn my back to such a nationalistic person, i am SURE of it he will backstab me, because nationalism goes on #1 and not Islam.

The Turks as you already has said, are nationalistic, i have tried to explain why this nationalism doesn't fit the picture in islam, yet all you utter is America is using Kurds for this and for that. You think i do not know Americans are using the Kurds for their own gains and don't give a **** about Kurds? Americans are using every group there is, however Kurds by majority have had more then enough of people that say they come in the name of Islam. As all have back stabbed them. So i understand them also a bit. Kurds as long as their interests go with certain group also in this case with the Americans, they would work together with them. Nobody is denying this, however in case of YPG for example, those guys don't associate themselves with Islam, so we cannot say ..hee..you call yourself Muslim..but rather are a hypocrite. This rather applies to the Turks. The Turks have befriended with the Americans and call themselves Muslims. This is core of hypocrisy.

So why did i "attack" you? Because you are those people that say with their mouth Islam..Islam..Islam, but when they are cornered you without a doubt take nationalism first. As a Muslim we must be careful to take such people like you as our friends and allies.

Also, i am STILL waiting for you to give me that hadith and the people i said that would fight in the name of Islam if they are Turks, for sure are not ones that follow nationalism like you. Those people if you are truthful about the hadith and if it is a AUTHENTIC HADITH, i call those people my brothers as i am sure they would rather step on the Turkish flag to clean the bottom of their shoes with it, as they do not give a **** about Turkish nationalism. But you fail to grasp this and think i am being nationalistic, while all i am asking is you to ponder a bit about your situation and mentality. As i have asked you utter the words that you for example want Turkey to fall even today to make place for REAL Islamic Caliphate, but nationalism is like glue on your heart right now, as you are not able to utter those words.

So again, are you giving me that hadith or not?

@believer Read this last sentence of him "I normally love the ummah no matter from which background they are from but the prejudices and obsessions like this distort the brotherhood" Didn't i tell you when you corner them with strong language and directly go for the kill and not able to say something intellectually back, they use the "religion card" as but we are brothers... This is something i have seen CONSTANTLY being repeated by Turks. First they show nationalism, then you show their hypocrisy to them, then after they are cornered in some sense, they throw in the religion card of brotherhood.

[anatolian]

Yes if a true Islamic caliphate is going to be established I am for it rather than a nationalist and secular Turkey. I don't deny this. But it cannot be established by your kkind of mentality too. the Turkish flag has an Islamic connotation. Even imagination of using it to clean shoes is simply meaningless. Kurds helped Seljuk Empire when they were at the gate of the conquest of Anatolia from the Byzantines. Ottoman Empire with all their flawws was an example of an Islamic caliphate and Kurds were ok with it most of the time. Anything is possible. Salahaddin is known as a Kurd but there were Turks in his army. When the case is Islam they united many times. I have told it to you and am telling again. I am not propogating to impose the Turkish nationalism on Kurds. Everyone has their own culture. But when it comes to the Islamic cause, everyone needs to know their mission.

I mentioned the hadiths because you mentioned your expections for a chaos of Turkey. I am not here trying to prove anything. You can find them by yourself I believe. I will start a thread later inshallah concerning this subject. Just too lazy fro now.

[Simple_Person]

Yes if a true Islamic caliphate is going to be established I am for it rather than a nationalist and secular Turkey. I don't deny this. But it cannot be established by your kkind of mentality too. the Turkish flag has an Islamic connotation. Even imagination of using it to clean shoes is simply meaningless. Kurds helped Seljuk Empire when they were at the gate of the conquest of Anatolia from the Byzantines. Ottoman Empire with all their flawws was an example of an Islamic caliphate and Kurds were ok with it most of the time. Anything is possible. Salahaddin is known as a Kurd but there were Turks in his army. When the case is Islam they united many times. I have told it to you and am telling again. I am not propogating to impose the Turkish nationalism on Kurds. Everyone has their own culture. But when it comes to the Islamic cause, everyone needs to know their mission.

I mentioned the hadiths because you mentioned your expections for a chaos of Turkey. I am not here trying to prove anything. You can find them by yourself I believe. I will start a thread later inshallah concerning this subject. Just too lazy fro now.

It is not for me that i say it should not be done, but simply one acknowledging that nationalism is not the key and not defending it is enough. As i for example do not support the corruption among Kurds and am not pursuing anything secular that happens within Kurdish lands. However if they say we want independence and for now as no REAL Islamic Caliphate is being created, i say i advocate for a independent Kurdistan. Why? Because Turkish nationalistic secular state, isn't really treating Kurds fair as well as the Arabs and the Persians nationalistic states. So based on this, a independent Kurdistan is BETTER than having to live under oppression of those governments. Until a REAL Islamic Caliphate would be able to rise, i would without a doubt wish and work for the independent Kurdistan to fall and make place for the REAL Islamic Caliphate.

Sallahedine Ayubi, fought for Islam and EXACTLY what i try to make it clear for you and what i try to pursue myself. However as a Kurd myself we Kurds have seen SOO MUCH betrayal from Arabs, Turks and Persians. That only has made me be careful who to call my brother and who not. So that is also i am thankful to Allah that He has made me Kurd as i am skeptical and careful who to take as my friend and ally.

That the Turkish flag has a "Islamic connotation" doesn't mean it is a Islamic flag and why i used the example of cleaning the bottom of the shoes is as they don't care about what Turkey stands for and what Turkish nationalism stands for. As when a REAL Islamic Caliphate would rise, that flag would be a bad stain from the past not be used anymore.

The Ottoman empire how corrupt they even were, they had at least some principles. However with the arrival of the crypto-jew Mustafa Kemal the little good that the Ottoman Empire still held Islam in high regard, was thrown out of the window with nationalism and secularism. Even to this day if you really ponder about it, it had fitted VERY VERY VERY well with the Zionists to make place for the oppressive Zionist state. Mustafa kemal by logic, rationality and reason has done EVERYTHING even that was beneficial for the Zionists, however many Turks somehow don't seem to notice this or maybe just refuse to acknowledge this as it would shatter their nationalistic dream that they have been brainwashed all along.

About the hadith, i know from Islamic end times that Turkey will be chaotic and expecting as not what i want, but it is GOING TO HAPPEN. When that will take place, Allah knows best. However based on my limited understanding and knowledge i would almost argue that what is going on in the Middle East might be the start of it. However about your hadith i have NEVER heard of, so that is why i said do post it.

[anatolian]

This hadith is mentioned in Kutub al-sittah many times. "Leave Turks alone as long as they leave you alone" It means don't fight with Turks as long as they don't attack you. Get on well with Turks. There are many other haidths.

[Simple_Person]

This hadith is mentioned in Kutub al-sittah many times. "Leave Turks alone as long as they leave you alone" It means don't fight with Turks as long as they don't attack you. Get on well with Turks. There are many other haidths.

Leaving them alone is one thing if they are leaving YOU alone which is not the case as they are occupying Kurdish lands doing oppressing in the name of Turkish nationalism ;). So if they leave those lands I say I am more than happy to agree to leave them lone.

Isn't this logical ;)

I guess this is the one you are mentioning.

https://sunnah.com/nasai/25/92

Rasullah (saws) like he said as long as they leave you alone. The current Turks are clearly not leaving people alone as you see they have their Ottoman ambitions and attacking for their interests so in other words the agressor.

About Abyssinia look back in 2006. Somalia was finally trying to get out of civil war and wanting to set up a country ruled by Islamic rulings which Ethiopia later on invaded them.

So one must a bit ponder about why Rasullah (saws) said "as long as they leave you alone"..so I guess it is rather a hint to that they WILL attack you...there is more than meets the eye and don't make those people always the victim you know.

[Yahya.]

So do share what you use and i will in'sha'Allah react based on logic, rationality and reason if it is a good news outlet or not.

I do not really follow certain media outlets, rather original sources, like rebel statements etc., and conflict analysts on Twitter. Still I like for example "The long war journal", "War is boring" and Aljazeera. I assume you mean by "I don't believe what the media tells me" that you're questioning what they present, and that's basically what everyone does, or should do.

Sputnik is for me clearly a means of propaganda, if I look on their website start page, all headlines are directly accusing the "West" or the USA of doing something, whereby no mention of Russian/Iranian crimes are found.

RT is maybe a bit less severe, but the same. You said they're providing proofs, but I never came across that. For a period of time I was following their YouTube channel, and in one of their news broadcasting on the siege of Madaya, they said for example that "rebel snipers are shooting people who want to evacuate the area" and they "do not allow anyone to leave". Maybe I should follow their content more regularly, in order to get a clear image of them, in comparison with other sources, but I really do not have the least trust for them.

So i say A(YPG nationalistic people and should not be supported) and after that i say B (Turks nationalistic people and should not be supported). Are you willing to also say the same? This is the cross roads of hypocrisy if you do not willing to say the same.

YPG are left extremist terroristس, and the Turkish Army (TSK) is fighting for the interestس of a secular, nationalist state. I am admitting this, and I do not support the Turkish Army. But like I said, as of a merely Muslim perspective, the Turkish Army is more preferable, as they're leaving the areas to rebels, who then establish local elective administrations. Whereby the YPG oppress arab tribes, suppress political opposition and incorporate women into military units against there will. There is an analysis by the Washington Institute, where this aspects are mentioned as motives of arab tribes in Raqqa to prefer IS, despite their brutality and despotism, against the YPG. That analyisis is written based on interviews with tribesmen conducted covertly in IS held territories in Raqqa. There are also some Amnesty International reports on YPG displacing local people.

[Simple_Person]

I do not really follow certain media outlets, rather original sources, like rebel statements etc., and conflict analysts on Twitter. Still I like for example "The long war journal", "War is boring" and Aljazeera. I assume you mean by "I don't believe what the media tells me" that you're questioning what they present, and that's basically what everyone does, or should do.

Sputnik is for me clearly a means of propaganda, if I look on their website start page, all headlines are directly accusing the "West" or the USA of doing something, whereby no mention of Russian/Iranian crimes are found.

RT is maybe a bit less severe, but the same. You said they're providing proofs, but I never came across that. For a period of time I was following their YouTube channel, and in one of their news broadcasting on the siege of Madaya, they said for example that "rebel snipers are shooting people who want to evacuate the area" and they "do not allow anyone to leave". Maybe I should follow their content more regularly, in order to get a clear image of them, in comparison with other sources, but I really do not have the least trust for them.

If one says they are anti-west and give only anti-west news, i agree 100% with that statement if somebody says that. However that is EXACTLY what i want to know. As i am living in the west, the criminals that are in the government don't tell me what kind of criminal activities they are doing, so that is why i go to RT and Sputnik. About rebel news, i often have also my doubts but besides that i am not a native Arabic speaker. To give you an example, the white helmets, those guys are being promoted to show objective evidence and such, however i do not look at what they show, i look at who pays them. In this case, we see very clearly who pays them...being the west. So if i pay you, you obey me. But thanks for providing other sources, i will be looking in to them, because CNN, BBC, reuters..those news outlets, those guys really try to keep you occupied with most nonsense things there are. Just like sheytan trying to occupy you with nonsense stuff to prevent you from praying and other important things. These guys do exactly the same. Keep you blind for the their criminal activities.


Read this article, then you will see how big of a criminals they are.

How to avoid The Hague: UN’s most borrowed book is about war crime immunity: https://www.rt.com/news/328157-un-li...opular-crimes/

Off course this kind of news about such a mentality will not find the civilians..Go read the article...

YPG are left extremist terroristس, and the Turkish Army (TSK) is fighting for the interestس of a secular, nationalist state. I am admitting this, and I do not support the Turkish Army. But like I said, as of a merely Muslim perspective, the Turkish Army is more preferable, as they're leaving the areas to rebels, who then establish local elective administrations. Whereby the YPG oppress arab tribes, suppress political opposition and incorporate women into military units against there will. There is an analysis by the Washington Institute, where this aspects are mentioned as motives of arab tribes in Raqqa to prefer IS, despite their brutality and despotism, against the YPG. That analyisis is written based on interviews with tribesmen conducted covertly in IS held territories in Raqqa. There are also some Amnesty International reports on YPG displacing local people.

Although i am a Kurd and i am a Muslim, i trust YPG MORE than the Turks. Why? Because the war the Turks have with so called YPG and PKK, is false. They are in war with Kurds in general, however one has to pay to little details. So as Kurds we have been betrayed by many who call themselves Muslims..being Arabs, Turks or Persians. Turks however are the MOST nationalistic among them. Also, Persians themselves are not that happy with the government, the Arabs are also not that happy with the government so in both the case, many are awake of what is going on. However Turks as a people are as blind as one can be, they believe whatever the government says. Like i have said in different posts, i do not like Gulen for a bit ..as there is no difference between Gulen-movement or AKP-movement..as both of them follow nationalism. However truth is truth and coup was done in such a poor manner, that every person who's eyes are open and asks questions will see that it was rather a false flag, instead of being a real coup. Yet, the Turks like sheep..beeeh..follow everything that Erdogan says.

Besides that, they use people to the top. Some people have at least some principles. For example Saudi Arabia, ..criminals, but still have principles about their mentality. The Iranians,...criminals..but also have principles to some extend as you see for example with them clearly objecting the Zionists. Turks however, have no principles WHATSOEVER. Western countries for example have same mentality as they also have NO principles whatsoever. People who have no principles, are dangerous. Why? Because today they are your friend and tomorrow they are your enemy. As Muslims we must have principles and our principles are Islamic principles to never betray our own Muslim brothers. The Turks so called "helped" FSA, but it was rather to prevent the Kurds joining their cantons and had nothing to do with ISIS or so. All the Turks care about is nationalism. Their principles are nationalism, however i was even amazed by this..when Erdogan apologized to Putin for downing the jet. The Turks would sell their body so to say to the highest seller. There is no different between a prostitue and Turkish government. I first though it is because of secularism in the time with Kemalists being in power, however even a party that claims Islam..Islam..Islam..i have lost all respect. With that also helping ISIS, because ISIS was killing and attacking YPG. While it is very clear that in Islam we know the Khawarij and what we have to do with them..yet the Turks supporting them.

Any ways, if some Arab tribes rather want to be under ISIS or Turkish rule, it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However if there are Arabs and Kurds that want rather be under YPG rule, also i say it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However to me right now Turkey tries to conquer places YPG has conquered and the people being happy under their rule. For example as far as i know with Manbij is under YPG rule and the people there happy to be. Yet Turkey wanting to conquer it..for their own interest.

So that is why i say, Turkey is nothing but trouble in my eyes. The current problem that are being created are done by Iranians and Turks. Almost forgot about it, i get through Kurdish news some news about Iran. Off course i am not saying you must agree with me that i see Turkey as terrorists, but just think about what i am saying. It isn't based on some feelings.

[Yahya.]

Although i am a Kurd and i am a Muslim, i trust YPG MORE than the Turks. Why? Because the war the Turks have with so called YPG and PKK, is false. They are in war with Kurds in general, however one has to pay to little details. So as Kurds we have been betrayed by many who call themselves Muslims..being Arabs, Turks or Persians. Turks however are the MOST nationalistic among them. Also, Persians themselves are not that happy with the government, the Arabs are also not that happy with the government so in both the case, many are awake of what is going on. However Turks as a people are as blind as one can be, they believe whatever the government says. Like i have said in different posts, i do not like Gulen for a bit ..as there is no difference between Gulen-movement or AKP-movement..as both of them follow nationalism. However truth is truth and coup was done in such a poor manner, that every person who's eyes are open and asks questions will see that it was rather a false flag, instead of being a real coup. Yet, the Turks like sheep..beeeh..follow everything that Erdogan says.

Besides that, they use people to the top. Some people have at least some principles. For example Saudi Arabia, ..criminals, but still have principles about their mentality. The Iranians,...criminals..but also have principles to some extend as you see for example with them clearly objecting the Zionists. Turks however, have no principles WHATSOEVER. Western countries for example have same mentality as they also have NO principles whatsoever. People who have no principles, are dangerous. Why? Because today they are your friend and tomorrow they are your enemy. As Muslims we must have principles and our principles are Islamic principles to never betray our own Muslim brothers. The Turks so called "helped" FSA, but it was rather to prevent the Kurds joining their cantons and had nothing to do with ISIS or so. All the Turks care about is nationalism. Their principles are nationalism, however i was even amazed by this..when Erdogan apologized to Putin for downing the jet. The Turks would sell their body so to say to the highest seller. There is no different between a prostitue and Turkish government. I first though it is because of secularism in the time with Kemalists being in power, however even a party that claims Islam..Islam..Islam..i have lost all respect. With that also helping ISIS, because ISIS was killing and attacking YPG. While it is very clear that in Islam we know the Khawarij and what we have to do with them..yet the Turks supporting them.

Any ways, if some Arab tribes rather want to be under ISIS or Turkish rule, it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However if there are Arabs and Kurds that want rather be under YPG rule, also i say it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However to me right now Turkey tries to conquer places YPG has conquered and the people being happy under their rule. For example as far as i know with Manbij is under YPG rule and the people there happy to be. Yet Turkey wanting to conquer it..for their own interest.

So that is why i say, Turkey is nothing but trouble in my eyes. The current problem that are being created are done by Iranians and Turks. Almost forgot about it, i get through Kurdish news some news about Iran. Off course i am not saying you must agree with me that i see Turkey as terrorists, but just think about what i am saying. It isn't based on some feelings.

I am also a Turk and one fourth Kurdish (mixed). It is a fact that the Turkish Republic has been oppressing the Kurds since its establishment in 1923. But I think things changed now, and the situation is amending. In the past the whole existence of Kurds as a race was being denied, for example. Anyway, I don't want to advocate a secular government, may Allah bless us with a righteous Islamic government, which deals it citizens regardless of ethnicity and implements the laws of Allah.

Unfortunately, the nationalistic principles of Ataturk are deeply rooted in the Turkish constitution, and it seems impossible to remove these. And also political parties are considered "secular" and are not allowed to attribute themselves to a certain religion. This means, no matter how much the AKP implies a conservative or islamist image, it's a secular party, and they even have some atheist members.

[Simple_Person]

I am also a Turk and one fourth Kurdish (mixed). It is a fact that the Turkish Republic has been oppressing the Kurds since its establishment in 1923. But I think things changed now, and the situation is amending. In the past the whole existence of Kurds as a race was being denied, for example. Anyway, I don't want to advocate a secular government, may Allah bless us with a righteous Islamic government, which deals it citizens regardless of ethnicity and implements the laws of Allah.

Unfortunately, the nationalistic principles of Ataturk are deeply rooted in the Turkish constitution, and it seems impossible to remove these. And also political parties are considered "secular" and are not allowed to attribute themselves to a certain religion. This means, no matter how much the AKP implies a conservative or islamist image, it's a secular party, and they even have some atheist members.

I agree, however i have found a solution that can remove this nationalism. Turkey MUST fall. I have looked at every other possibility, but the nationalism is DEEP in the hearts of people who are in politics, as well as the civilians themselves. Even trying to educate Turks on this matter it is like trying to move a mountain. So ONLY way out of this is Turkey to fall.

As i said in a previous comment, Turkey will fall/be chaotic if we look at the Islamic end times. If we look at the current world events especially in the Middle East and Turkey, it also looks like it is heading towards it. In the past Ottoman empire was united under imperialistic mentality. Modern day Turkey was based on nationalism and also that was like glue that united the people. The arrival of AKP created the division between Muslims (AKP + Gulen) vs Kemalists (secular Turks). Now some years later, this has been divided in three groups and none likes the other. The Kurds even are uniting because of Erdogans approach towards Kurds. A civil war is heading towards Turkey it looks like it, however Allah knows best if it indeed will happen like that and when.

However looking at all the last 4 years, things have gone SO FAST that i am shocked what is going on. From Arab-spring to ISIS to Syria to Ukraine chaos and now also North Korea..to Yemen..so many of these things have come out of nowhere one could say. So thinking about this hadith,

"When Al-Fai' is distributed(preferentially), trust is a spoil of war, Zakat is a fine, knowledge is sought for other than the(sake of the) religion, a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother, he is close to his friend and far from his father, voices are raised in the Masajid, tribes are led by their wicked, the leader of the people is the most despicable among them, the most honored man is the one whose evil the people are afraid of, singing slave-girls and music spread, intoxicants are drunk, and the end of this Ummah curses its beginning- then anticipate a red wind, earthquake, collapsing of the earth, transformation, Qadhf, and the signs follow in succession like gems of a necklace whose string is cut and so they fall in succession."

Source used: https://sunnah.com/urn/675150

I am surprised and i now understand the words of Rasullah(saws) that the major signs will come one after another so fast. 4 years in a human life is NOTHING, yet these things worldwide have happened in just those years, i now can imagine the major signs come so fast one after the other even faster than what we already have known and seen worldwide.

I don't read national news here in the west and only read international news for bigger part. The people here are noticing NOTHING what is going on, because they are kept distracted from what is going on. I have a feeling that we will not reach 2050 because before that time majors signs will appear already, however Allah knows best about it. Also not to forget King Salman of Saudi Arabia is also old and going towards his death. That is the last original son of the first ruler of Saudi Arabia. In other words chaos most probably will also ignite in Saudi Arabia who takes over the kingdom as the rest are all grandchildren of ibn Saud.

So majority of the Turks also will not see those things, because they are kept blind and if you try to invoke pondering, yet with anger they look away. The best thing to do, is right now learn as much as possible Islamic and survival knowledge and train the body and the mind i would say.

[Robrog8999]

Something had to be done. Could you Imagine your own government killing innocent babies and people? With chemical weapons at that! Wouldn't you want help from outside support?
More needs to be done really! The leader needs to be overthrown and Russia needs to be accountable for what they're helping to hide and protect. They need to quit supporting the current leader
America represents freedom and liberty. It's our duty to come to the rescue of the poor innocent people of Syria.
But I also acknowledge that the USA doesn't need to continue getting in the middle of every conflict. We have done way to more in the world where we don't belong (invasion of Iraq for example).
But this calls for attention.

[Simple_Person]

Something had to be done. Could you Imagine your own government killing innocent babies and people? With chemical weapons at that! Wouldn't you want help from outside support?
More needs to be done really! The leader needs to be overthrown and Russia needs to be accountable for what they're helping to hide and protect. They need to quit supporting the current leader
America represents freedom and liberty. It's our duty to come to the rescue of the poor innocent people of Syria.
But I also acknowledge that the USA doesn't need to continue getting in the middle of every conflict. We have done way to more in the world where we don't belong (invasion of Iraq for example).
But this calls for attention.

You brother with ALL THE RESPECT, need to read a lot more and watch a lot more what is really going on. "America represents freedom and liberty"..go ask most of the Christians that do not follow nationalism, rather their faith they will say quite the opposite.

I would advice you to watch some documentaries to start with to know why for example south America hate US so much. "War on Democracy (2007)"

https://player.vimeo.com/video/16724719

[Robrog8999]

You brother with ALL THE RESPECT, need to read a lot more and watch a lot more what is really going on. "America represents freedom and liberty"..go ask most of the Christians that do not follow nationalism, rather their faith they will say quite the opposite.

I would advice you to watch some documentaries to start with to know why for example south America hate US so much. "War on Democracy (2007)"

https://player.vimeo.com/video/16724719

Actually, I follow the news closely and watch a lot of documentaries.. I know what is going on as I am a writer and it's my job.
I stand by my comment. But respect yours.

[Simple_Person]

Actually, I follow the news closely and watch a lot of documentaries.. I know what is going on as I am a writer and it's my job.
I stand by my comment. But respect yours.

Indeed like the WMD weapons that were found all over Iraq and George Bush being in jail now for finding those WMD weapons. Iraq for sure we're given a lot of freedom and democracy by having those WMD weapons removed all thanks to US.

Sometimes not seeing the tree in front of you is a choice. How? Keeping your eyes closed is a choice.

Have a good day :)

[Robrog8999]

Indeed like the WMD weapons that were found all over Iraq and George Bush being in jail now for finding those WMD weapons. Iraq for sure we're given a lot of freedom and democracy by having those WMD weapons removed all thanks to US.

Sometimes not seeing the tree in front of you is a choice. How? Keeping your eyes closed is a choice.

Have a good day :)

Yes, that was a huge mistake. Attacking Iraq. We were told it was because they had weapons of mass destruction but I'm reality there were other agenda's. One being the fact that the USA wsnted control of the middle East. It was part of a larger plan. That plan included replacing regimes that interfered with US interests, placing army bases all across the middle East and invading or occupying a series of countries throughout the middle East.
It was a long-term plan that was deliberately laid out long ago and that was the real reason for attacking Iraq. And that is also the reason for ISIS and our continuing presence in the ME. That's for another topic though.

[Robrog8999]

Indeed like the WMD weapons that were found all over Iraq and George Bush being in jail now for finding those WMD weapons. Iraq for sure we're given a lot of freedom and democracy by having those WMD weapons removed all thanks to US.

Sometimes not seeing the tree in front of you is a choice. How? Keeping your eyes closed is a choice.

Have a good day :)

As far as Syria goes, this too is part of that same larger plan. And that is the only reason they attacked Syria. Otherwise, without their plan of dominating the ME, the US wouldn't have attacked otherwise. I guarantee it.
But with that aside, I don't care what the motivating drive is, the fact that they went in and sent a warning is all I care about. Because it's called for.
You don't attack innocent people with chemical weapons just to kill off those who oppose you as a leader and to send a death threat to everyone else who stands up against you. That's insane. How would you feel if you lived in such a place? Where your leader was killing your family, friends and maybe even you! Just for expressing their opinions and thoughts. Wouldn't you hope that someone would come to the rescue? Or at least send in a warning against your President to say.... "We won't allow you to continue mass murders of your people anymore..if it happens again, it won't be 59 tomahawk missiles, we will end you"?
I sure would!

[Simple_Person]

Yes, that was a huge mistake. Attacking Iraq. We were told it was because they had weapons of mass destruction but I'm reality there were other agenda's. One being the fact that the USA wsnted control of the middle East. It was part of a larger plan. That plan included replacing regimes that interfered with US interests, placing army bases all across the middle East and invading or occupying a series of countries throughout the middle East.
It was a long-term plan that was deliberately laid out long ago and that was the real reason for attacking Iraq. And that is also the reason for ISIS and our continuing presence in the ME. That's for another topic though.

How is that another topic? You first said US stands for freedom and democracy, however this comment that TELLS THE TRUTH ..somehow is saying oppressing and dictatorship.. o_O??

[Simple_Person]

As far as Syria goes, this too is part of that same larger plan. And that is the only reason they attacked Syria. Otherwise, without their plan of dominating the ME, the US wouldn't have attacked otherwise. I guarantee it.
But with that aside, I don't care what the motivating drive is, the fact that they went in and sent a warning is all I care about. Because it's called for.
You don't attack innocent people with chemical weapons just to kill off those who oppose you as a leader and to send a death threat to everyone else who stands up against you. That's insane. How would you feel if you lived in such a place? Where your leader was killing your family, friends and maybe even you! Just for expressing their opinions and thoughts. Wouldn't you hope that someone would come to the rescue? Or at least send in a warning against your President to say.... "We won't allow you to continue mass murders of your people anymore..if it happens again, it won't be 59 tomahawk missiles, we will end you"?
I sure would!

Brother no offense, read your comments again.. Do you know you sound very contradictory? First you say US stands for freedom and democracy. THEN you say indeed they want to occupy the Middle East for their higher agenda (which is bad according to you with that i also agree)..then you see..no they stand for freedom and democracy.

Have you ever wondered that maybe people in the Middle East do NOT want democracy? Ever wondered about that? What about if the people themselves want a Islamic Caliphate..as they are Muslims and such a state would be ruled according to Islamic rulings. Yet US says we know a "better" rulings way that is called democracy. Democracy is rather a old concept not a "new concept". If we talk about new concept the Islamic way of ruling is rather the new concept and more just than this democratic concept.

That being aside, why do you think the Middle East is in such a mess? Have you ever heard of false flag attack and that maybe US has done it themselves because Assad is not in THEIR interest?

Brother come on i hold you in a higher intellectual category than this what you are showing me. Please do try to meet up with that.

The current US is FAR away from what the founding fathers of US wanted. This already should make one say "huh?" The current US has NOTHING to do with freedom, all is in the hands of companies. Look at election campaigns as companies inject mass amount of money in the candidates to be good to them when they are elected. There are companies that give money to both as to be sure that the laws they take after being president would be of benefit for their companies. YOU KNOW THIS..but how come i have to repeat this to you once again? Is this freedom? and "democracy"? All i see is companies benefiting once somebody becomes president. (Clinton Cash 2016 )

So please do take your time to digest this all as i do not see you as a dumb person, rather know and i am certain that you have fair amount of intellect to think logically, rationally and reasonably.