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Bosanac
04-07-2017, 05:24 AM
So the topic title plus the following text is a question someone posted on a different message board. I'd like to help the person out but don't know the answer to his question:

"I know that the people in Mohammed's locality were polytheists and that Allah was a god these polytheists were worshipping among other supposed gods.

The descendants of the people who left Egypt with Moses were Y-W-H's set-apart people. Jews knew this was the special name of their God. These people- during Mohammed's time- still worshipped the same God as their forefathers. On the other hand, the polytheists in that area were worshipping a lot of different gods including the one who was/is referred to as Allah.

Did the Jews of Mohammed's day in that locality (before meeting Mohammed) call the one god they knew Moses had worshipped many generations before, by the revealed name Y-W-H? Why did Mohammed not call the God who reigned over Moses, Joshua, Samson, and King David by the name that all these patriarchs knew him by if He was the same God who parted the Red Sea? Was it because Jews already were calling the God of their nation, Allah? I'm interested in evidence, if some of you want to chime in.

I genuinely would like to know."
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AbdurRahman.
05-01-2017, 11:20 PM
here's my two cents on this bro; no evidence i'm afraid, or maybe the jews reffering to God as 'Allah' in Quran and sunnah will be a reference?; i'm sure whatever such verse or hadith you find jews would refer as 'Allah'

basically we cannot trust 'history' as it has come down to us from the kuffar; the word 'yahweh' may not have been around back then; it could be an invention, purported to be in their religious text for millenias!

what we can be sure of is jews and even christians [of the middle middle east] called God Allah [swt]


and just a correction; the pagan arabs regarded 'Allah' as the supreme God and the idols as the 'lesser gods'
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talibilm
05-02-2017, 04:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Bosanac
So the topic title plus the following text is a question someone posted on a different message board. I'd like to help the person out but don't know the answer to his question:

"I know that the people in Mohammed's locality were polytheists and that Allah was a god these polytheists were worshipping among other supposed gods.
Hi ,

I was interested in this topic before a few years that had made me to research on the Name of God itself of all semitic religions and i have made a thread on it which is listed as a reply to your later part.

Firstly I have to clear your claim about the word Allah. The Pagan Arabs did worship multiple Gods that just started just before 300 years before the arrival of the last Messenger & Prophet of God ie Muhammad Peace be upon him) which was started by Amr ibn Luhay or Luhai , the richest care taker of the Kaaba , which served as on INTERNATIONAL PILGRIMAGE CENTER from many parts of the world since All knew that Belongs to Prophet Abraham , who is the WELL KNOWN FIRST Monotheist Patriarch of many Major religions of the world (including the Semitic Religions ) even Vedhas (orthodox Hindu) refer him in their books as ''Abrahm , The Circumcised one '' in more than 15 places in their books.

Amr ibn Luhay was the first who started the custom of honoring the dead Saints with a statue just to get the support of those disciples who were under such Saints which in a century turned from paying respect into directly worshipping them , by the Satan who inculcates doubts that those saints were intermediaries that were helping the disciples to Bargain their issues & needs with Allah, Their Supreme God. (as in Politics to approach a King, PM, President through his intermediaries, ministers, PA,s)

Since the Term '' Allah '' was being used by All those semetic Religions as Elah in Aramaic (mixture of Arabic & Hebrew spoken by Jesus) and so was Eloh by the Jews which is explained by a Jew himself here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOAM1LnJ8o

and Allah in Arabic etymology is the supreme God with no gender and cant be used to multiple Gods as the english word God can be MISused to mean multiple Gods or male or female Gods.

So Nothing susbtitutes to '' Allah '' is the idealogy & concept of pagan Arabs EVEN BEFORE the birth of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ( proof is Prophet's father's name was Abdullah or Slave of Allah and so were many names of Jews like Abdullah ibn Salul , an enemy of Islam at Medina) which is proved here in the Year of the elephant since they all stopped worshiping idols temporarily, its said for about 7 years after this great miraculous incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Elephant


format_quote Originally Posted by Bosanac
The descendants of the people who left Egypt with Moses were Y-W-H's set-apart people. Jews knew this was the special name of their God. These people- during Mohammed's time- still worshipped the same God as their forefathers. On the other hand, the polytheists in that area were worshipping a lot of different gods including the one who was/is referred to as Allah.

Did the Jews of Mohammed's day in that locality (before meeting Mohammed) call the one god they knew Moses had worshipped many generations before, by the revealed name Y-W-H? Why did Mohammed not call the God who reigned over Moses, Joshua, Samson, and King David by the name that all these patriarchs knew him by if He was the same God who parted the Red Sea? Was it because Jews already were calling the God of their nation, Allah? I'm interested in evidence, if some of you want to chime in.

I genuinely would like to know."


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Jews claim they called Allah as Yahweh meaning like 'who I am '' since God's name is so precious & high that they do not want to call by his name which is a lie, imo. Jews were the most mischievious & ungrateful People the world has seen right from those times. Example of it, they took a idol calf as a God in the absence of Moses for just few weeks even after watching the greatest Miracle of parting of the red sea & the freedom Allah gave them from slavery & oppression of the Pharaohs and many other incidents

Kindly read this thread for the probable insertion or INVENTION of the name of '' Yahweh'' by the Jews after the 8th century together with VANDALISING all the esteemed prophets

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...-Allah-and-why

together with DUMPING THE MOST PRECIOUS CHAPTER''THE SONG OF SONGS''that was read in every Shabath into the lesser Secondary important Ketuvim with a fake background lovers story since they had TRANSLATED the name of our Prophet from Muhammad altogether to '' Lovely '' and hence a lovers story . the Shrewdest jews could not dump the chapter altogether from their books since it was a popular prayer read every weekdays but cleverly changed their meaning altogether which the common jew took no notice, since those times Torah was hand written (unlike today 1000's of copies) and was maintained ONLY WITH the TTTOPP Rabbis.
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