Is the 'Musilm' Ummah a racist ummah?

[YahyaAE]

I'm kinda tired of having to both defend against people who are racist against Arabs and Muslims from Islamaphobes online, who say we are terrorists, backwards, close-minded, racists etc, while on the other hand every so often having to hear Muslims with bigoted attitudes, that they don't even recognise as being bigoted.

For example, once at work a Pakistani guy said that he would never get married to a non-Pakistani, and he was totally oblivious to how racist his comment was, even when I spelt it out to him. He just couldn't get it. Plus he was telling this to me, a non-Pakistani, lol.

On another occasion (and I am soooo sorry for constantly mentioning nationalities in this topic, but I am just trying to illustrate a point) my Palestinian American colleague was talking about his wife (she's a Palestinian born and raised in Jordan) who made a casual comment about how shocked she was that their White European neighbour, I think a British or Aussie convert, could get married to a Somali girl. If I remember correctly she said something like 'How could they get married. He is so white and she is so black'. Both of us, who have grown up in the West were just baffled with the casual racism (and colorism) that easily slips out of the mouths of people around us, and from all nationalities. We are in the UAE btw.

Now I know for a fact, not all Muslims are racist, and I like to think that the majority of us are not (at least in my circle of friends), but we do seem to be diseased community with this issue, and no one ever likes to talk about it, without getting defensive.

Rant done.

[alemilee1]

I agree. I was raised Christian and would like to possibly convert and oh boy some people just illustrate complete sexism and are oblivious to it. I was talking to a man about my fear of converting because I am a feminist and he explained that woman don't have to work because the man does it for you so I had no reason to worry. He had no idea how sexist that statement was.

[anatolian]

In UAE and KSA a non arab man cannot marry an arab woman no matter if he is a Muslim as far as I know. Is it true? People may have personal preferenses whom to marry but when it comes to codes it becomes a real racism

[YahyaAE]

In UAE and KSA a non arab man cannot marry an arab woman no matter if he is a Muslim as far as I know. Is it true? People may have personal preferenses whom to marry but when it comes to codes it becomes a real racism

Thats not true. Thats actually the first time I have heard that. If you are talking about UAE National women marrying non-Arab men, it most definitely happens. I believe its the same in Saudi as well. I know of Gulf Arab women being married to black (non-Arab) men from East Africa, although, I don't know if they are 'nationalised/Arabized' afterwards. But this is because of the cultural links between the two regions. As for Arab men in general. There are no restrictions.

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[azc]

Thats not true. Thats actually the first time I have heard that. If you are talking about UAE National women marrying non-Arab men, it most definitely happens. I believe its the same in Saudi as well. I know of Gulf Arab women being married to black (non-Arab) men from East Africa, although, I don't know if they are 'nationalised/Arabized' afterwards. But this is because of the cultural links between the two regions. As for Arab men in general. There are no restrictions.

it may be in exceptional cases...

[YahyaAE]

it may be in exceptional cases...

When i mean no restrictions, men are free to get married to who they want to. Of course depending on who gets married to who, will determine the level of negative and positive comments they will get from their family and the wider community.

[aaj]

:salam:

It's not clear cut and black and white. There are many factors to consider.

If a pakistan is saying he would not marry someone else other than a pakistani then he may or may not be a racists. Same goes for any other person of any other race. If they say it because they think their race is better or are looking on other races then clearly they are racists. But if they say because they feel they will be most compatible with someone of their own race, ease of communication, ease of family meetings, sense of safety, etc. then it's a matter of personal preference and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't know about other gulf nations but I do know that an arab woman needs the government's permission to marry a non-arab man in saudi. They may be doing this to protect their women from any visa fraud or to safe guard their society from being taken over due low population compared to the expats, etc. One could say they are racist but it may not be the case.

As for the Palestinian's comment. You need to understand the history to understand where her logic and racism is coming from. Muslim world had been under colonialism for a long long time. When the colonizers occupied the Muslim world, they imposed their ethno-superiority on the natives of the lands they occupied. In that occupation, the favored the light colored natives over the darker ones. The lighter colored ones were treated better, got better jobs, and better opportunities, etc. And the darker colored were put down, much like the whites of America put the blacks down before the civil rights movements. This led to inferiority complex in the natives of those nations. So you will see a pakitani being racist against another pakistani because he's darker in complexion, you will see the same with indians, or arabs or any other nation. And you will see people like your Palestinian being surprised a white guy making a black girl. It has been ingrained into them through centuries of colonialism. But that doesn't mean it's norm, even if you come across 100 people, it still doesn't mean it's the norm compared to a 3-400 million population. And the concept of 'racism' is new to them because while some of them may not marry others of darker complexion, it is a preference they have developed and not out of any animosity towards that person. The racism of the west is different in that sense, the racism of the west is often based on animosity towards the other race.

And this is the same in non-Muslim non-white nations as well. Which is why you will see people like Asians marry whites more than blacks, solely because they are white. They understand their child by a white man will get more privilege in today's world than by any other race. These are the fruits of colonialism and white dominated world we live in.

As for what alemilee said regarding that sexism comment, I don't think it was as much to do with sexism in the statement as much as the ability of conveying that message in a better way.

But with all this, it doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. The disease of racism does exist in the ummah and it is because we have opted for nationalism over Islam. For example, the gulf arabs think of themselves as pure arabs and all other arabs lower arabs. They also are very abusive towards domestic workers, which in turn makes the others hate the arabs. This is not racism on others part though, it is resentment and hatred of the arabs because of the actions of the arabs.

[YahyaAE]

I don't know about other gulf nations but I do know that an arab woman needs the government's permission to marry a non-arab man in saudi. They may be doing this to protect their women from any visa fraud or to safe guard their society from being taken over due low population compared to the expats, etc.

This is normal in the Gulf. The local population is extremely small for most Gulf countries, and there are so many expatriates here, especially in the UAE. So naturally there is a drive to safeguard the local culture. And although the government very very strongly and actively encourages Nationals to marry within and not to foreigners, it isn't forbidden. In the UAE you can find 'Emiratis' from various backgrounds. Some are originally from Iran, others from Africa, others from other Arab nationalities and sometimes even from cultures totally different from ours, like Filipino, although this is rare. But this is off the topic. My Pakistani colleague wasn't talking about cultural preference, he was talking about tradition and how it was just inconceivable to marry outside of the nationality.

As for the Palestinian girl. She is just an example of the casual racism we exhibit across our communities, and I am sorry, but no amount of historical context can be a justification. We are all 21st Century human beings, and we are all Muslim. By default we should no what is right and wrong in our attitudes towards other races.

[aaj]

My Pakistani colleague wasn't talking about cultural preference, he was talking about tradition and how it was just inconceivable to marry outside of the nationality.

As for the Palestinian girl. She is just an example of the casual racism we exhibit across our communities, and I am sorry, but no amount of historical context can be a justification. We are all 21st Century human beings, and we are all Muslim. By default we should no what is right and wrong in our attitudes towards other races.

The tradition in itself is not bad either. If it is your tradition to marry among your own people, there is nothing wrong with that. It may be inconceivable to him to marry outside because he was never raised to think along those lines. It doesn't necessarily make it a racist issue.

Just because the Palestinian girl said that, doesn't mean she's racist either. It just may mean that she is astonished to see such a thing when she has been raised in a culture/society where it's not the norm. And you have to look at historical context to understand the society, otherwise it's moot to have any discussion about its actions.

And even if we live in the 25th century, that means diddly squat if the society has not progressed in any form or fashion. For God's sake, we live in the 21st century! and yet we see all these wars and genocide, you would think mankind would have learned by now to be more civilized. So you see passage of time means nil, development of the society is what matters.

[YahyaAE]

The tradition in itself is not bad either. If it is your tradition to marry among your own people, there is nothing wrong with that. It may be inconceivable to him to marry outside because he was never raised to think along those lines. It doesn't necessarily make it a racist issue.

Islam came to remove this kind exclusivity from amongst us because it breeds prejudice, and our religion would never have spread like it did if intermarriage was restricted to traditional norms. Racism doesnt evolve out of a void of nothingness. And we are talking something that was implemented 1400 years ago. If we havnt progressed at all since then, I feel sorry for new Muslims who come into the religion and are then exposed to all of this. Anyway, alhumdillah this is something that is becoming less and less, and the more the size of this world decreases, the more open minded, and hopefully less tolerant of bigotry in any form, our community will become.

[aaj]

Islam came to remove this kind exclusivity from amongst us because it breeds prejudice, and our religion would never have spread like it did if intermarriage was restricted to traditional norms. Racism doesnt evolve out of a void of nothingness. And we are talking something that was implemented 1400 years ago. If we havnt progressed at all since then, I feel sorry for new Muslims who come into the religion and are then exposed to all of this. Anyway, alhumdillah this is something that is becoming less and less, and the more the size of this world decreases, the more open minded, and hopefully less tolerant of bigotry in any form, our community will become.

It doesn't necessarily breeds prejudice. It depends on the belief of the people. If a person feels safe marrying within his/her culture or if that is there personal preference then that is a right they have. But if they are being exclusive to their own kind because they think of themselves better or other races less in anyway then that clearly is unislamic and racist.

Islam came 1400 years ago. But that doesn't mean it's still implemented in one's life as it was then. Colonialism drew lines on the map and made us nationalists which is why you will even see less indian marrying pakistani or vice versa even though they are the same race. Majority of the Muslims today are ignorant of the their deen. So when you don't even have the islamic knowledge then what progress are you talking about? If people are being racist , be it intentionally or unintentionally, then what we need is 1) more educating in the deen and 2) more intermingling of different races/cultures/nationalities. Muslims were also more tolerant back than because all of Muslim world was one ummah (nation) without any borders.

[islamocurious]

Wow... Does anyone see the forest for the trees? Ultimately there is one race: the human race! All other labels: religion, culture, nationality, are man made constructs.

On a HUMAN level, we are all the same, ie. we all feel love, pain, joy, anger, fear, happiness, etc. The labels are superficial, man made constructs that do not appear to be advancing humanity much. Can provide examples. So, can anyone see the forest but for the trees; the human being but for the 'stuff'?

[azc]

I'm kinda tired of having to both defend against people who are racist against Arabs and Muslims from Islamaphobes online, who say we are terrorists, backwards, close-minded, racists etc, while on the other hand every so often having to hear Muslims with bigoted attitudes, that they don't even recognise as being bigoted.

For example, once at work a Pakistani guy said that he would never get married to a non-Pakistani, and he was totally oblivious to how racist his comment was, even when I spelt it out to him. He just couldn't get it. Plus he was telling this to me, a non-Pakistani, lol.

On another occasion (and I am soooo sorry for constantly mentioning nationalities in this topic, but I am just trying to illustrate a point) my Palestinian American colleague was talking about his wife (she's a Palestinian born and raised in Jordan) who made a casual comment about how shocked she was that their White European neighbour, I think a British or Aussie convert, could get married to a Somali girl. If I remember correctly she said something like 'How could they get married. He is so white and she is so black'. Both of us, who have grown up in the West were just baffled with the casual racism (and colorism) that easily slips out of the mouths of people around us, and from all nationalities. We are in the UAE btw.

Now I know for a fact, not all Muslims are racist, and I like to think that the majority of us are not (at least in my circle of friends), but we do seem to be diseased community with this issue, and no one ever likes to talk about it, without getting defensive.

Rant done.

If a Pakistani wants to marry with a Pakistani , stands for preference due to certain reasons. It's nothing to do with racism.

A racist is inflicted with disease of superiority complex and showing hatred for others

[Karl]

I'm kinda tired of having to both defend against people who are racist against Arabs and Muslims from Islamaphobes online, who say we are terrorists, backwards, close-minded, racists etc, while on the other hand every so often having to hear Muslims with bigoted attitudes, that they don't even recognise as being bigoted.

For example, once at work a Pakistani guy said that he would never get married to a non-Pakistani, and he was totally oblivious to how racist his comment was, even when I spelt it out to him. He just couldn't get it. Plus he was telling this to me, a non-Pakistani, lol.

On another occasion (and I am soooo sorry for constantly mentioning nationalities in this topic, but I am just trying to illustrate a point) my Palestinian American colleague was talking about his wife (she's a Palestinian born and raised in Jordan) who made a casual comment about how shocked she was that their White European neighbour, I think a British or Aussie convert, could get married to a Somali girl. If I remember correctly she said something like 'How could they get married. He is so white and she is so black'. Both of us, who have grown up in the West were just baffled with the casual racism (and colorism) that easily slips out of the mouths of people around us, and from all nationalities. We are in the UAE btw.

Now I know for a fact, not all Muslims are racist, and I like to think that the majority of us are not (at least in my circle of friends), but we do seem to be diseased community with this issue, and no one ever likes to talk about it, without getting defensive.

Rant done.

I don't believe these people are racist. They would be considered racial purists and nationalists. To be a racist, you would believe that your race is supreme and has the right to oppress other races, pretty much like Israel does. A white English marrying a Somali would be an incredible mismatch as they are so utterly different. English are primarily mesomorphs and endomorphs but the Somali are mostly ectomorphs, so the hybrid offspring are going to look like freaks and will probably suffer from mental illness from identity issues and could end up committing suicide or joining a terrorist organization. Also the western barbarian mind will conflict with the Somali mind. The act of miscegenation is evil and insane because it genocides both races and is as crazy as breeding an American Pit bull or Alsatian with a cute little papillon or Pomeranian. Here is an excerpt of a speech given by Rabbi Robbinavich in JANUARY 12TH, 1952


Forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White Women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the White Men with black women. Thus the White Race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.


This is part of the Zionist agenda as can be obviously seen by the incessant promotion of miscegenation in the Jewish Zionist owned mainstream media.

[Karl]

Wow... Does anyone see the forest for the trees? Ultimately there is one race: the human race! All other labels: religion, culture, nationality, are man made constructs.

On a HUMAN level, we are all the same, ie. we all feel love, pain, joy, anger, fear, happiness, etc. The labels are superficial, man made constructs that do not appear to be advancing humanity much. Can provide examples. So, can anyone see the forest but for the trees; the human being but for the 'stuff'?

Typical absurd rhetoric of the Marxist Jews. Of course there are different races as otherwise we would all look the same like one big family, but we don't. We differ hugely in size and morphology as well as maturity speed, eye colour, complexion and mentality.

[anatolian]

@Karl dude you sound prety racist to me. There is no such a thing as racial "mismatch" in marriage. Indeed it is believed that hybrid races are tend to be more strong. And your assumption regarding "white" race is a nonscientific legend.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

God could have made it so much easier for us, he could have made us all green, and given us one land to live on, and we could all call our land Pakistan.

We are all created by the same God, and the same God hears all our prayers despite our differences. We have a duty to care for all of God's creation, and that has to mean caring for each other despite our differences.

You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric

[noraina]

Assalamu alaykum,

This is an interesting discussion - and personally I find nothing wrong with inter-racial marriages, I'm a pretty firm believer in the fact that the only thing that matters is religion and character when looking for a husband or wife, everything else is secondary and shouldn't be given priority. This is what Islam teaches us, we have been created as different tribes and nations by Allah swt and there is such beauty in that.

But - and this is a big but - it is very common in our Ummah to prefer to marry within one's own community. I can't say this is right, because it isn't and does reflect a 'tribal' mentality which we'd be better off without, but I don't think many of these people are actually 'racist'. They have this idea that they want to keep within their own community because it is what they know, what they have always known, and where they're familiar with their customs and tradition. Us humans, regardless of religion or race, always seem to have this uncertainty when around 'foreigners'.

I say this because within my own family there is a preference to marry *within* the family or if not then someone from the Kashmiri community. However, they have nothing against people from other community or races - it's just they, like a lot of communities, have a fear of 'change' or 'unknown'.

Another point is that I've found if you're from a multicultural society like the UK or America, people *generally* have less reservations about inter-racial relationships. Western Muslims are generally more accepting of these types of things.

So when I've met someone from say Pakistan or an Arab country - yes I've noticed some tend to say things which sound really racist and have taken me aback, lol, but they're not being intentionally hateful. And even here, in England, in towns which are predominantly White they're pretty racist - whereas in larger towns alhamdulillah everyone gets on well. Of course, these are generalisations, taken from my personal experience.

[Scimitar]

For example, once at work a Pakistani guy said that he would never get married to a non-Pakistani,

He will marry his first cousin, that's why. It's got jack to do with religion - more to do with cultural expectations to "KEEP THE WEALTH IN THE FAMILY" which shows how much they do not trust in Allah as the provider.

On another occasion (and I am soooo sorry for constantly mentioning nationalities in this topic, but I am just trying to illustrate a point) my Palestinian American colleague was talking about his wife (she's a Palestinian born and raised in Jordan) who made a casual comment about how shocked she was that their White European neighbour, I think a British or Aussie convert, could get married to a Somali girl. If I remember correctly she said something like 'How could they get married. He is so white and she is so black'.

So you found two examples in your life? And you think this is enough to paint all Muslims as racist? or the majority?

Please show me how you justify your opinion.

Scimi

[Karl]

@Karl dude you sound prety racist to me. There is no such a thing as racial "mismatch" in marriage. Indeed it is believed that hybrid races are tend to be more strong. And your assumption regarding "white" race is a nonscientific legend.

There IS such thing as a racial mismatch. It is just utterly insane to want to mix incompatible physical traits. For example, I am Germanic, and therefore of big sturdy athletic build and blue eyed. It would be completely insane of me to want to mix with a female of a race that is diminutive, dainty, willowy and physically inferior. I want my sons to instead look just as big, angular featured, strong and masculine as me, their dad. I DON'T want to emasculate my sons by making them become puny, weak, soft, late developing and effeminate featured. I don't want to have to feel embarrassed in front of my friends who would be laughing at my sons. Such mismatched hybridization ruins the physical traits of BOTH sides, not only MY side, but HER side as well. Not only would a pretty diminutive Asian be ruining my big strong Germanic features (which I take great pride in and wouldn't trade in for anything in the world), I'd also be completely ruining HER features as well, that being her diminutive daintiness, softness, delicacy and cuteness. It's a lose lose outcome. Tell me HOW is it going to make a 7 foot tall Norseman "stronger" if he mixes with some diminutive little 4 foot tall South East Asian?? That is NOT making him stronger at all. It is instead dysgenics, NOT "improvement"!

Regarding your comment of white race. Contrary to what many people assume, there is no such thing as "the white race". There are in fact a large number of white races. It is also important to realize that the use of the expression "white race/s" is really just a synonym of those who belong to a Germanic race (i.e: Angles, Saxons, Viking, Goths, Celts, Jutes, Visigoths, Austro-Goths, Franks, Berzerkers, Vandals etc), the typical physical characteristics being blue eyed, pale (white-pinkish) complexioned, big and sturdy. There are also many Slavic white races more to the east of Europe including white Russia. Some north and east Asian races are actually quite white in complexion too but it wouldn't be correct to refer to them as "white" because racially they are Orientals, not Germanics or Slavs, and their complexion is really more a yellowish hue anyway, quite different to the skin complexion of a Germanic.

As for "racism", while the politically correct Marxists speak of it as if it were some sort of aberration, it is in reality a very natural and normal survival mechanism and a trait most races have possessed since time immemorial. Of course I am racist. I am a racist because it is my priority for my own race to survive. I care not for other races though. It is their own responsibility, not mine, to ensure their own survival. I am also racist because every night I eat the corpse of some poor creature that has been slain for my meal. But that is the reality of life. Whether we like it or not, racism is natural, so get over it.

[greenhill]

I agree. I was raised Christian and would like to possibly convert and oh boy some people just illustrate complete sexism and are oblivious to it. I was talking to a man about my fear of converting because I am a feminist and he explained that woman don't have to work because the man does it for you so I had no reason to worry. He had no idea how sexist that statement was.

Welcome to the forum.

I don't know why that would be considered sexist to say "that woman don't have to work because a man does it for you..."

Apart from the obvious of earning income if you are employed, doing household chores and bringing up children is a full time undertaking and can be without a break for periods of time. I have seen many with both husbands and wives working and leaving the upbringing of their children to some other people and mostly do not have the time to really be with the children. By the time they have built up their savings etc, the children have all grown up and have no time for them.

I feel that it is just human perception for this statement. I have children of my own and it is a tiring, no ending and often a thankless task to ensure that my children get the best I could give. And for this, I cannot thank my wife enough that she decided to stop working as soon as she conceived and to remain at home to be a mother and wife... (I also told her not to forget that she is a wife first and mother second because eventually, the kids will leave the roost and we are back to being husband and wife again). Raising children is probably way harder a task than to be employed.

My wife started working part time on an 'as and when is' basis when the children were older and required less supervision and now that our kids are 20 and 16 respectively, she is planning to start back and I am all for it..

Personally I feel it a bit sad when women feel it an 'inferior' thing if she is to commit herself to home duties. As a man and having to deal with raising of children myself, it is a very disciplined undertaking and something that should 1000% appreciated and not be taken for granted at all.


:peace:

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;

I am Germanic, and therefore of big sturdy athletic build and blue eyed. It would be completely insane of me to want to mix with a female of a race that is diminutive, dainty, willowy and physically inferior.

:o

I am a racist because it is my priority for my own race to survive. I care not for other races though. It is their own responsibility, not mine, to ensure their own survival.

Is this what the prophet pbuh, taught?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

[greenhill]

Is the muslim ummah a racist ummah?

What kind of question is that?

You know how many muslims there are in this world? Is like asking is the muslim ummah a terrorist ummah? Is the muslim ummah a polygamist ummah?

The muslim ummah should be a generous ummah, a forgiving ummah (but won't tolerate oppression and hypocrites), one that follows Allah's commands with patience.

How different groups live in accordance to their 'beliefs' does not reflect the entire ummah but merely their community.


:peace:

[Serinity]

:salam:

Honestly, I may marry a german, an albanian, a british, whatever.. as long as she is Muslim. Why make life harder with limiting yourself to your own nationality?

But sure, there are people who choose their own kind, because it is easier. Same language, same culture, etc. I understand that.

But honestly. We live in a time where we might be belgian or german, or whatever nationality. But we have friends who are French, spanish, polish, etc.

See? we don't just have friends with our nationality.

Allahu alam.

[Karl]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;


:o



Is this what the prophet pbuh, taught?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible, and therefore not complimentary to each other are in direct conflict with Islam. Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

[Karl]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;


:o



Is this what the prophet pbuh, taught?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible (and therefore not complimentary to each other) are in direct conflict with Islam. Ok, Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

[Scimitar]

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible, and therefore not complimentary to each other are in direct conflict with Islam. Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

unbelievable - lol.

Sorry karl, but this was entertaining in a wholly silly kinda way lol

Scimi

[Zafran]

Greetings, Eric. I will at least say this. There is no religion in existence (apart from the one known as cultural Marxism) which actually forbids one to breed with members of their own race. As an uncompromizing race purist I strictly forbid any of my offspring contributing to the degenerate behaviour of miscegenation, nor do they have any wish to anyway as they regard it as a serious mental illness. Islam also teaches that fathers' wishes should be respected by offspring, so I don't really see how my insistence that my offspring must never breed with members of another race whose physical and psychological traits are incompatible (and therefore not complimentary to each other) are in direct conflict with Islam. Ok, Islam might not explicitly prohibit miscegenation, but it doesn't prohibit an avoidance/aversion to it either.

contradicts Islam from the last sermon of the prophet

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white – except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."

Your a racist crackpot.

[Karl]

contradicts Islam from the last sermon of the prophet

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white – except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."

Your a racist crackpot.

Of course all Muslims form a "brotherhood", but that of course is only by our religious affiliation. Racially though, I am no brother to you at all. Contrary to what the globalist New World Order Marxists fanatically preach, insisting on only breeding with a member of one's own race is NOT "racist crackpot" at all. It is a perfectly normal and natural instinct. Look, if I hypothetically hybridized with a female of a morphologically incompatible race, and worse still, of inferior size, the hybrid offspring would look like bizarre out-of-proportioned freaks, and they would lose the big strong sturdy athletic physique that is inherent to my race -- an attribute we take great pride in. This is WHY I strictly forbid any of my offspring miscegenating with any race that is small, puny and delicate featured. It's as equally insane as wanting to mix a Rottweiler with a cute little toy dog! And my offspring know full well that any violation of my strict anti-miscegenation orders WILL result in dire consequences.

Just because I said I don't want to breed with a member of a different race that is morphologically "inferior" (and therefore completely incompatible) to myself doesn't mean to say that I believe that their lives are of less overall value to mine in the greater scheme of things. I regard all living sentient beings as equal under Allah (SWT). I regard myself no more superior to even an insect.

In regards to "all mankind being from Adam and Eve", well this needs to be looked at from a historical context. In the days of the prophet (PBUH) "mankind" pertained to the races of the more immediate geographical regions of Asia, not to very morphologically different races completely unknown about on the other side of the planet. If you want to insist that all races are from Adam and Eve, then hey, I for one must therefore not be of "mankind" because I do not accept that my race came from Adam and Eve. That however doesn't in itself bar me from believing in Allah (SWT).

[Zafran]

Of course all Muslims form a "brotherhood", but that of course is only by our religious affiliation. Racially though, I am no brother to you at all. Contrary to what the globalist New World Order Marxists fanatically preach, insisting on only breeding with a member of one's own race is NOT "racist crackpot" at all. It is a perfectly normal and natural instinct. Look, if I hypothetically hybridized with a female of a morphologically incompatible race, and worse still, of inferior size, the hybrid offspring would look like bizarre out-of-proportioned freaks, and they would lose the big strong sturdy athletic physique that is inherent to my race -- an attribute we take great pride in. This is WHY I strictly forbid any of my offspring miscegenating with any race that is small, puny and delicate featured. It's as equally insane as wanting to mix a Rottweiler with a cute little toy dog! And my offspring know full well that any violation of my strict anti-miscegenation orders WILL result in dire consequences.

People in the Jahliya used to think like that. You have very little choice on who your offspring will marry anyway. - Thinking that your your morphological better then other races is irrational as variety of people from different tribes are not all the same. Its shouldn't even be the main focus on who you should marry - there character should be the main focus.

In regards to "all mankind being from Adam and Eve", well this needs to be looked at from a historical context. In the days of the prophet (PBUH) "mankind" pertained to the races of the more immediate geographical regions of Asia, not to very morphologically different races completely unknown about on the other side of the planet. If you want to insist that all races are from Adam and Eve, then hey, I for one must therefore not be of "mankind" because I do not accept that my race came from Adam and Eve. That however doesn't in itself bar me from believing in Allah (SWT).

All humans are related if you take the prophetic knowledge which is not historical but Revelation based - or evolution - we are related and there is ample evidence for that.

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

@Karl

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and so much of what you've written contradicts my understanding of both science, the world, and Islam. However, even leaving aside views that you've expressed that I cannot help but characterize as both racist and un-Islamic, I would like to simply say a few things that I think are important for a broader perspective:
(1) In Islam, belief in qadr (destiny) is one of the six pillars of iman (faith). So, it may be that you, for example, absolutely forbid your child/children from miscegenation but that Allah has willed your child to marry a person of other ethnicity, nationality, and culture; so, despite your views, your act of forbidding your child is nothing but a puerile attempt at controlling destiny.
(2) More importantly, even if you believe that there's cultural Marxism that globalists somehow are endorsing as a means of making races inferior (which I find a nonsensical conspiracy theory), you'll have to understand that the plans of any person or persons are not anything that can be above Allah's Plan.
(3) There is no such thing as racial purity: I'm sorry that people still in this day and age believe in trying to achieve/maintain this fiction.

Finally, I'd also suggest that you Google Craig Cobb, a white supremacist, who had visions of trying to build an all-white town. However, on a reality television show, he was embarrassed when DNA test revealed which revealed he had 14% sub-Saharan African genes. Might I suggest that you do a DNA test of yourself to see to what degree you're a byproduct of being purely white?

As to the OP, specific to this thread as an answer, I'd say that while there is no racism in Islam, it is not true that there are not racist Muslims. If there's one thing I have learned all my years of being a Muslim, it is that people bring their own prejudices to Islam whether they are non-coverts or converts; and you just have to learn to judge each individual on his/her own merits and learn to observe so that you may accurately gauge whether a specific individual holds racist views or not: some Muslims are racist and some Muslims are not.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

[Karl]

People in the Jahliya used to think like that. You have very little choice on who your offspring will marry anyway. - Thinking that your your morphological better then other races is irrational as variety of people from different tribes are not all the same. Its shouldn't even be the main focus on who you should marry - there character should be the main focus.

I actually DO have a full choice of who my offspring will or will not marry. *I* am their father, not you, therefore you or any other outsider simply have no say in my domestic affairs. As I said, there will be VERY serious consequences if my offspring ever miscegenate. Besides, they have respect for me anyway and they hate miscegenation just as much as me, so they will obviously not defy me.

It is also not "irrational" for me to want to maintain the morphological characteristics that have been inherent in my race since day one. While I agree that the character of my partner should be of high importance, it nonetheless should come SECOND in importance to her being of the same RACE as me. If my offspring were hypothetically not able to find suitable spouses within my own race, rather than having to revert to the deplorable and unforgivable act of miscegenation, they would simply not marry and have offspring AT ALL.

You are wrong that there is great morphological variety within a single race (at least one that is pure). Every member I know of my race look close enough to each other, morphologically and in size, that we could easily be mistaken as directly related brother, sisters, cousins etc, even when not directly related. We are all big and strong. Smallness and puniness simply doesn't exist. By the age of around 12 every adult male of my race are of approximately the same size and height as each other. The same goes with our females.

All humans are related if you take the prophetic knowledge which is not historical but Revelation based - or evolution - we are related and there is ample evidence for that.

All life of Earth has some relation in DNA. This is because all life requires the same genetic building blocks required for survival. I am around 50% genetically the same as a banana, and 98.8% the same as a chimpanzee. But that doesn't mean to say that I should want to hybridize with a banana or a chimp. I was designed to breed with my own race.

[Serinity]

@Karl

If a woman or man came to your daughter / son, to marry, and to you, their race was "inferior" but their character and deen was good, would you deny your offspring solely based on race?

Honestly, I don't like that mindset of yours. It is quite disgusting. You, nor I, can decide whom our offspring can marry based on race.

If your daughter wanted to marry an "inferior" race, would you deny her that? If a pious good person came, would you marry your daughter to him?

You know about Bilal r.a. ? he was not good looking, he did not come from a famous progeny, family. Infact, afaik, none knew his family. No wealth, no good looks. Skipping ahead, the Prophet :saws: searched for a spouse for bilal, and went to a house from (can't remember the name) and asked for their daughter, they were happy, until they heard that it was for Bilal r.a. They were distraught, but the daughter accepted, knowing full well who Bilal r.a. was.

Besides, Rizq, health, wealth, is all from Allah :swt: . And if you deny your offspring spouses that are righteous and good in deen, only because of their race, then that is jahiliyah.

Bilal was not good looking - yet he was one of the pious. So to judge people as inferior based on their race.. Is disgusting.

Allahu alam.

[anatolian]

Quran is very clear on the race issue. Our differences within our races and languages are the signs of Allah (Rum: 22). The Prophet Aleyhisselam says neithet arab is superior to non-arab nor the reverse. If we base our religion on Quran and sahih hadith we musnt be racist on any level. On the other hand people may have personal preferences about marriage so if someone's pereference is a person from his/her race, community or even greater family, we cant blame them based solely on that. But such Hitler kind of fancy theories have no place in Islam. Did Allah make a mistake when creating Germanic races like this but other races like that? There is a wisdom behind it. In order to understand this wisdom one should have scientific, historical and more importantly Islamic knowledge.

[sister herb]

Racists always are thinking that it´s their own race which is far better than others, which is quite natural. It would to be unlogical to think that I myself have born to the worse race. But as in Islam, being racist is complicated and it goes very complicated if my race is something else than what was the origin of the Prophet... Yep, then I would to be in deep troubles with my racism.

:nervous:

[Karl]

@Karl

(1) In Islam, belief in qadr (destiny) is one of the six pillars of iman (faith). So, it may be that you, for example, absolutely forbid your child/children from miscegenation but that Allah has willed your child to marry a person of other ethnicity, nationality, and culture; so, despite your views, your act of forbidding your child is nothing but a puerile attempt at controlling destiny.

I had already acknowledged before that Allah has not explicitly forbidden miscegenation. He also however hasn't explicitly forbidden one to breed only within his own race either. Therefore race purity is technically HALAL. I alone am not "controlling" the destiny of my race. Anti-miscegenation is simply hard-wired into my race, which is why I simply don't even NEED to control my offspring and stop them miscegenating. They possess just as much an instinctive aversion to it as I do.

(2) More importantly, even if you believe that there's cultural Marxism that globalists somehow are endorsing as a means of making races inferior (which I find a nonsensical conspiracy theory), you'll have to understand that the plans of any person or persons are not anything that can be above Allah's Plan.

It is a well known fact that the Jews in almost complete control of modern day Western governments and all through the mainstream media they also control (including the BBC and AlJewzeera) are fanatically trying to genocide the races be means of miscegenation, and a minority of Jews have even admitted to this! Therefore I will ensure that none of my offspring miscegenate and give the Zionist and Marxist Jews the pleasure of seeing out our destruction. This will of course obviously infuriate them as it throws the spanner into the works of their diabolical plan for world conquest and the destruction of races. You are correct that Allah's plan cannot be changed. That's why if I were to intervene in the event that my offspring wanted to commit the disgusting act of miscegenation that I as the intervener am all part of Allah's plan. Remember Allah works in mysterious ways!

(3) There is no such thing as racial purity: I'm sorry that people still in this day and age believe in trying to achieve/maintain this fiction.

WRONG. There is always racial purity whenever there is even just one race that refuses to miscegenate. My race is at least one race that has staunchly kept itself pure. Our repulsion of miscegenation has been well known between our kind for thousands of years and it has been regarded as the worst crime imaginable. Information has been handed down generation through generation that there had been some very occasional intermixture in the past, BUT that was and intermixture strictly confined to a very similar Germanic race, not any alien or disparate race.

Finally, I'd also suggest that you Google Craig Cobb, a white supremacist, who had visions of trying to build an all-white town. However, on a reality television show, he was embarrassed when DNA test revealed which revealed he had 14% sub-Saharan African genes. Might I suggest that you do a DNA test of yourself to see to what degree you're a byproduct of being purely white?

I already have. I'm 100% Germanic and it's always going to stay that way. I'd rather my race go totally extinct than for it to miscegenate.

[Karl]

@Karl

If a woman or man came to your daughter / son, to marry, and to you, their race was "inferior" but their character and deen was good, would you deny your offspring solely based on race?

Honestly, I don't like that mindset of yours. It is quite disgusting. You, nor I, can decide whom our offspring can marry based on race.

If your daughter wanted to marry an "inferior" race, would you deny her that? If a pious good person came, would you marry your daughter to him?

You know about Bilal r.a. ? he was not good looking, he did not come from a famous progeny, family. Infact, afaik, none knew his family. No wealth, no good looks. Skipping ahead, the Prophet :saws: searched for a spouse for bilal, and went to a house from (can't remember the name) and asked for their daughter, they were happy, until they heard that it was for Bilal r.a. They were distraught, but the daughter accepted, knowing full well who Bilal r.a. was.

Besides, Rizq, health, wealth, is all from Allah :swt: . And if you deny your offspring spouses that are righteous and good in deen, only because of their race, then that is jahiliyah.

Bilal was not good looking - yet he was one of the pious. So to judge people as inferior based on their race.. Is disgusting.

Allahu alam.

Yes, I would strictly forbid my son or daughter marrying into a different race solely based on their race, most particularly one that was small and puny and effeminate looking. You see, I am of a warrior race and I want my race to be able to carry through the big strong sturdy physical traits which has allowed my kind to be mighty warriors for thousands and thousands of years. Besides, most modern day Muslims outside of my race would not want to marry any of my daughters ANYWAY, because one thing I absolutely insist on is that none of my daughters have their first menstruation in MY house. I utterly insist that they are have it in their HUSBAND'S house which means I want them all married off by no later than about age 7 or 8. Since men of my race are quite happy to accept my prepubescent daughters into their house this is yet ANOTHER good reason why I should not give up my daughters to a husband of a foreign race.

I do however fully agree with you that a prospective spouse should have good character, but the thing is, there are more than enough prospective spouses WITHIN my own race who would perfectly fill that requirement without me having to look outside my race.

[Serinity]

Yes, I would strictly forbid my son or daughter marrying into a different race solely based on their race, most particularly one that was small and puny and effeminate looking. You see, I am of a warrior race and I want my race to be able to carry through the big strong sturdy physical traits which has allowed my kind to be mighty warriors for thousands and thousands of years. Besides, most modern day Muslims outside of my race would not want to marry any of my daughters ANYWAY, because one thing I absolutely insist on is that none of my daughters have their first menstruation in MY house. I utterly insist that they are have it in their HUSBAND'S house which means I want them all married off by no later than about age 7 or 8. Since men of my race are quite happy to accept my prepubescent daughters into their house this is yet ANOTHER good reason why I should not give up my daughters to a husband of a foreign race.

I do however fully agree with you that a prospective spouse should have good character, but the thing is, there are more than enough prospective spouses WITHIN my own race who would perfectly fill that requirement without me having to look outside my race.

What if later on your daughter/son regrets marrying that guy/woman? then what. i dont like your racism

[Karl]

What if later on your daughter/son regrets marrying that guy/woman? then what. i dont like your racism

I don't really see how regret of a marriage has much to do with the conversation. If my son/daughter later regretted a marriage then they would simply seek to divorce and then remarry.

Race purity is not even "racism" anyway. Racism is State imposed oppression of a different race. Even if I don't like to be around members of a particular race that is still not racism as such, it is merely discrimination -- a discrimination I am perfectly within my right to harbour.

[sister herb]

We don´t need the race purity - man can not even reproduce with another race. Here is only one race - human race. None of us is 100% of something - we all are mixed with other groups of people. But if it makes someone happier to glorify his or hers own genetic heritage - he can freely narrowing down his/hers own genealogy. Problems starts when this continues too long as hereditary diseases will increase as the genome becomes narrower.

[Karl]

We don´t need the race purity - man can not even reproduce with another race. Here is only one race - human race. None of us is 100% of something - we all are mixed with other groups of people. But if it makes someone happier to glorify his or hers own genetic heritage - he can freely narrowing down his/hers own genealogy. Problems starts when this continues too long as hereditary diseases will increase as the genome becomes narrower.

Rubbish. All this "There is only one race, the human race" nonsense is a typical Marxist Jew propaganda catch cry used to encourage race mongrelization. "There is only one race, the human race" is one of the most moronic statements ever to be uttered. Look, if you want to believe you belong to some imaginary "universal race" then that's your choice to feel that way, but don't you dare speak on behalf of me and MY race and attempt to appropriate us. Please keep us OUT of it!

FYI, the different races have thrived and survived more than PERFECTLY well for thousands and thousands of years without having to miscegenate! The genetic pools of each respective race are more than ample in order to produce perfectly healthy offspring. It is true that too much incest after a while will likely cause genetic defects to arise. This is because the genetics has become too limited, but continuing to breed within an entire RACE poses no problems at all!

[anatolian]

@Karl There is not one race. Allah created us as different races but we have one nation called "ummah" regardless of our races. Ummah is the nation of Muslims. You seem to fail to understand that your racial features which you are proud of, whatever they are, not given to you naturally but they are given to you by Allah as a test only. Our real essence is our souls. Our bodies are given to us inorder to live on this material world and it represent our side that is common with animals. All this life is a journey to understand that we are not just animals but we have "something " different.

[TDWT]

Insanity. I suggest Karl be banned. He is a racist antisemitic bigot. I hope you never have children or if you do, someone takes them away from you.

[anatolian]

I dont understand this mindset also. This is not a place to ban people. This is an internet forum which we can benefit from people whose opinions are different than ours even. Instead of calling him to be banned, you can tell him why he is wrong.

[azc]

Welcome to the forum.

I don't know why that would be considered sexist to say "that woman don't have to work because a man does it for you..."

Apart from the obvious of earning income if you are employed, doing household chores and bringing up children is a full time undertaking and can be without a break for periods of time. I have seen many with both husbands and wives working and leaving the upbringing of their children to some other people and mostly do not have the time to really be with the children. By the time they have built up their savings etc, the children have all grown up and have no time for them.

I feel that it is just human perception for this statement. I have children of my own and it is a tiring, no ending and often a thankless task to ensure that my children get the best I could give. And for this, I cannot thank my wife enough that she decided to stop working as soon as she conceived and to remain at home to be a mother and wife... (I also told her not to forget that she is a wife first and mother second because eventually, the kids will leave the roost and we are back to being husband and wife again). Raising children is probably way harder a task than to be employed.

My wife started working part time on an 'as and when is' basis when the children were older and required less supervision and now that our kids are 20 and 16 respectively, she is planning to start back and I am all for it..

Personally I feel it a bit sad when women feel it an 'inferior' thing if she is to commit herself to home duties. As a man and having to deal with raising of children myself, it is a very disciplined undertaking and something that should 1000% appreciated and not be taken for granted at all.


:peace:

I live in a small town.
Our Muslim society is highly conservative. People , generally, don't allow their women to work

[azc]

Insanity. I suggest Karl be banned. He is a racist antisemitic bigot. I hope you never have children or if you do, someone takes them away from you.

This is not the proper way to disagree with someone.

[Umm♥Layth]

I hate to break it to the race purists, but everyone who is alive today are descendants of THREE people. The three sons of Noah (pbuh). The races we know of today are actually a mixture in one way or another. Definitely not "pure". Maybe brush up on some history?

It took a lot of time (as we perceive it) and a lot of mixing to get where we are today.

[noraina]

I hate to break it to the race purists, but everyone who is alive today are descendants of THREE people. The three sons of Noah (pbuh). The races we know of today are actually a mixture in one way or another. Definitely not "pure". Maybe brush up on some history?

It took a lot of time (as we perceive it) and a lot of mixing to get where we are today.

And going way back, we are all descended from *one* person, the Prophet Adam :as:

There is no such thing as a 'pure' race, every single ethnicity or language or culture in existence today has happened because of an intermingling of societies and cultures and people. I am both Afghani and Kashmiri, and I'm always told I look Egyptian and yet my second language is Urdu and I speak with a British accent. :D And there's something nice in that.

There's nothing wrong with people who would 'like' to marry someone of the same race as them because they relate to their customs or culture or whatever, but if you regard your own race as superior to others then something is seriously wrong with your understanding of Islam. Allah swt has created us all equal, the only thing which makes one better than another in the sight of Allah swt is piety.

O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
49:13

[greenhill]

I live in a small town.
Our Muslim society is highly conservative. People , generally, don't allow their women to work

I understand, (being a muslim myself, ha ha). But I do not regard this as sexist perhaps because I realise the nature of upbringing children.. just as if there were to be be war... men will be the first to be enlisted, is that sexist?

...just a thought.


:peace:

[Karl]

Insanity. I suggest Karl be banned. He is a racist antisemitic bigot. I hope you never have children or if you do, someone takes them away from you.

Typical rhetoric of a Zionist infiltrator. The way you talk is exactly how an arrogant self-righteous Zionist or Marxist talks. FYI, I DO actually have offspring, and you know another thing? They are none of YOUR or any other outsider's BUSINESS, PERIOD. Any trespasser that tries to "take my offspring off me" (also known as a invading thieving scoundrel) with be doubt with by me in a most ruthless way that I shall not go into detail with here.

[Karl]

I dont understand this mindset also. This is not a place to ban people. This is an internet forum which we can benefit from people whose opinions are different than ours even. Instead of calling him to be banned, you can tell him why he is wrong.

Anatolian, I totally agree and I applaud your defence of free speech. As long as one does not talk in expletives or does not make death threats and things like that then they should be free to express their stance. If they happen to say something that is actually erroneous then the proper and mature thing to do is to counter it with reason/corrections rather than the infantile approach of just calling for posts to be deleted and/or posters being banned. It is actually a VERY typical behaviour or leftists in particular to ban anything they don't like seeing.

[Karl]

I hate to break it to the race purists, but everyone who is alive today are descendants of THREE people. The three sons of Noah (pbuh). The races we know of today are actually a mixture in one way or another. Definitely not "pure". Maybe brush up on some history?

It took a lot of time (as we perceive it) and a lot of mixing to get where we are today.

That just doesn't add up scientifically. You see, if all races today originated from a "single breeding pair" then a) we would all more or less look physically the same, like members of a single race, but we don't. We actually differ HUGELY....TOO hugely. And b) if you try to make an entire species/race from a single breeding pair, the gene pool would be WAY to small and it wouldn't be long at all before genetic defects would arise as it has the exactly same affect as incest. I have empirical evidence for this as I breed tropical fish and discovered a long time ago that the offspring of these pairs once they started breeding again with themselves started showing physical defects (such as stunting, spinal deformities, increased proneness to disease etc). This was because the original genetic variety was simply not ample enough to begin with in the single breeding pair, and so increasingly lost more and more integrity in subsequent generations. You need SEVERAL breeding pairs to make a race healthy and genetically robust, not one.

[Karl]

And going way back, we are all descended from *one* person, the Prophet Adam :as:

There is no such thing as a 'pure' race, every single ethnicity or language or culture in existence today has happened because of an intermingling of societies and cultures and people. I am both Afghani and Kashmiri, and I'm always told I look Egyptian and yet my second language is Urdu and I speak with a British accent. :D And there's something nice in that.

Everyone? You failed to acknowledge MY race though. We have since the beginning utterly refused to miscegenate, so we ARE a pure race. And just because languages and cultures and spices and cuisines are often seen across various different races because of intermingling and trade, an automatic inference should NOT be drawn that there must therefore be miscegenation also a result of all that. FYI, whether you like it or not, some races (including my own) are averse to miscegenation.

As for Asians with British or American accents, to be honest me and many other Westerners find encountering that to be quite distasteful, because it suggests such an assimilated (or even sycophantic) Asian. There is almost nothing that grinds my gears more than seeing some Asian reporter on TV, so much makeup on her face that she looks more like a plastic manikin, dressing like Hilary Clinton, and with that horrible nasally American accent. It's so "banana"/"coconut" (yellow/brown on the outside and white on the inside). +o( I actually think it's quite a nice thing though whenever I see an Asian speaking with an exotic accent and dressing in the clothing style of their country of origin. Asians just don't look right dressing in Western clothing, just as Westerners look stupid dressing in Asian clothing, especially when big Anglo-Saxon ladies dress up like some little Singapore Girl.:lol:

[Zafran]

That just doesn't add up scientifically. You see, if all races today originated from a "single breeding pair" then a) we would all more or less look physically the same, like members of a single race, but we don't. We actually differ HUGELY....TOO hugely. And b) if you try to make an entire species/race from a single breeding pair, the gene pool would be WAY to small and it wouldn't be long at all before genetic defects would arise as it has the exactly same affect as incest. I have empirical evidence for this as I breed tropical fish and discovered a long time ago that the offspring of these pairs once they started breeding again with themselves started showing physical defects (such as stunting, spinal deformities, increased proneness to disease etc). This was because the original genetic variety was simply not ample enough to begin with in the single breeding pair, and so increasingly lost more and more integrity in subsequent generations. You need SEVERAL breeding pairs to make a race healthy and genetically robust, not one.

Your wrong here as your experiment doesn't take inconsideration the 1000s of years humans marrying from different races and ethnicity - see the Romans, The Mughuls, The Byzantines, Ottomans, abbasids etc etc. Its also good to note that these civilizations didn't see race, ethnicity or religion as a main issue or a block for marriage.

Your from Germany and your racial thinking is specific to Europe - dating back to the 1700s and racial categories....which ultimately led to the second world war atrocities. Explains your deep hatred fr Jews and "lefties". Other civs developed hierarchies as well like the caste system in the sub continent which had more to do with what class and occupation people were born in rather then "race".

Both systems are unjust.

[Zafran]

Everyone? You failed to acknowledge MY race though. We have since the beginning utterly refused to miscegenate, so we ARE a pure race.

Your not pure because if you did a genealogy trace you'll have DNA from all over the planet. You had to go through Romans, the many tribes after in medieval period - to the holy roman empire - the first and second war (invasion and occupation of soviet Russia and western powers.) - Lets not forget the mass rapes by soviets or the early humans in Africa.

[Serinity]

Honestly, this body of ours, is like a container for our souls. Make dua to Allah for A) a righteous spouse, B) righteous children.

Allah :swt: created us all different not for us to divide ourselves.

Allahu alam.

[Karl]

Your not pure because if you did a genealogy trace you'll have DNA from all over the planet. You had to go through Romans, the many tribes after in medieval period - to the holy roman empire - the first and second war (invasion and occupation of soviet Russia and western powers.) - Lets not forget the mass rapes by soviets or the early humans in Africa.

It is true that many non Germanic races have had a history of not having any racial pride and caring much for race purity. HOWEVER, Vikings and other Germanic races were fierce warriors and race purists who had for thousands of years had retained an equally fierce aversion to miscegenation. And it is no wonder that Publius Cornelius Tacitus had in 98 AD mentioned in his book On the Origin and Situation of the Germanic Peoples that "... unlike many other races in Southern Europe, the Germanic peoples appear to be a distinct nation, not an admixture of their neighbours...they all have common physical characteristics, blue eyes and large bodies...."

There is no evidence that Germanics ever originated from Africa. And the Roman Empire and subsequent events over the last 2000 years or so hasn't changed the fact that there still remains a significant portion of the Germanic populations who remain untainted by miscegenation.

You simply have no evidence that I am "not pure", whereas I do have plenty of evidence that I am no mongrel, because other than my DNA test which revealed to be 100% Germanic, it is also a knowledge handed down thousands of years through my family that we are completely free of miscegenation (well, at least completely free of miscegenation with NON Germanics anyway). Yes, there may be some common DNA I have with disparate races, but I also have some common DNA with practically every living organism on the planet for that matter. I already said earlier that I am of at least 50% the same DNA as a banana and 98.8% DNA same as chimp. So what?

[noraina]

You know, this is literally all skin deep. At the end of the day, we are all made from clay and remembering that should fill one with humility.

[noraina]

As for Asians with British or American accents, to be honest me and many other Westerners find encountering that to be quite distasteful, because it suggests such an assimilated (or even sycophantic) Asian.

With all due respects, I don't agree with this at all.

I'm not sure what is so distasteful about speaking with the accent of the country your born in? I would love to have an Irish accent, lol, but as I am born in the West Midlands I talk in that way instead, it's not something one has a choice in, and it's definitely not being sycophantic.

btw, it irritates me as much as anyone else if I see someone rejecting their own culture for another out of shame or embarrassment. We should all be proud of our roots and cultures but not in a way which gives us the impression we are superior to others. I wear the jilbaab on, because it is just so practical and comfortable for me, and so many people accused me of adopting Arab culture as I have some complex about my own...and funnily enough it is those people who'll complain if you do something too 'Kashmiri' or 'Pakistani'. Neither should we have an inferiority complex about ourselves, and nor a superiority complex.

[sister herb]

You know, this is literally all skin deep. At the end of the day, we are all made from clay and remembering that should fill one with humility.

That´s true. That´s why it sounds quite odd if someone thinks that here is some value to have some sort of genes. People have refined some animals to have different kind of features to them but doing same for humans sounds weird (blond hair, blue eyes, white skin etc.).

[Karl]

With all due respects, I don't agree with this at all.

I'm not sure what is so distasteful about speaking with the accent of the country your born in? I would love to have an Irish accent, lol, but as I am born in the West Midlands I talk in that way instead, it's not something one has a choice in, and it's definitely not being sycophantic.

btw, it irritates me as much as anyone else if I see someone rejecting their own culture for another out of shame or embarrassment. We should all be proud of our roots and cultures but not in a way which gives us the impression we are superior to others. I wear the jilbaab on, because it is just so practical and comfortable for me, and so many people accused me of adopting Arab culture as I have some complex about my own...and funnily enough it is those people who'll complain if you do something too 'Kashmiri' or 'Pakistani'. Neither should we have an inferiority complex about ourselves, and nor a superiority complex.

Ok, fair enough comments. I suppose one really can't completely avoid the accent of the country they are born in. Still, this doesn't change the fact that many Asian immigrants (as you also agree) become sycophantic and ape the mannerisms and ways of the kuffar in order to attempt to try to not "look out of place" in front of them, even though this is actually futile anyway given their racial characteristics automatically render this impossible. I fully agree that one should take pride and never become ashamed of their race and religion and culture and roots of their country of origin. When Asian sycophancy and aping of the Western kuffar takes over, the Western kuffar can SEE this grovelling and sycophancy and they either openly or secretly laugh at the weakness.

[Futuwwa]

It is true that many non Germanic races have had a history of not having any racial pride and caring much for race purity. HOWEVER, Vikings and other Germanic races were fierce warriors and race purists who had for thousands of years had retained an equally fierce aversion to miscegenation.

Except for the Vikings who conquered and settled in England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily. They all miscegenated with the conquered to the point that they were assimilated by them within a few centuries. The conquerors were assimilated by the conquered. They demonstrably didn't care about either racial purity nor preserving their culture. Oh, and the original female population of Iceland is three quarters Celtic, presumably abducted through raiding, as shown by female-line genetic markers in the current Icelandic population.

Do you even history bro?

[Karl]

Except for the Vikings who conquered and settled in England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily. They all miscegenated with the conquered to the point that they were assimilated by them within a few centuries. The conquerors were assimilated by the conquered. They demonstrably didn't care about either racial purity nor preserving their culture. Oh, and the original female population of Iceland is three quarters Celtic, presumably abducted through raiding, as shown by female-line genetic markers in the current Icelandic population.

Do you even history bro?

I never meant to imply that there wasn't the occasional drunken Viking race traitor. But miscegenation was by and large reviled by the Northern European races which is why most people didn't do it. The more fortunate side of it is at least most the other races they miscegenated WITH were Germanic, which meant they still at least remained blue eyed and athletically big and strong.

[Umm♥Layth]

Do you even history bro?

My sentiments exactly.

Furthermore, Karl, you are denying the Adam and Hawwa were the one originating pair of all humanity. So you are negating the word of Allah, which was very clear on this matter.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). [ 49:13]

[Umm♥Layth]

Brother @Scimitar You seem to know a good deal about how certain tribes spread around the globe. Perhaps you can show brother karl how to history?

[Scimitar]

Ok, fair enough comments. I suppose one really can't completely avoid the accent of the country they are born in. Still, this doesn't change the fact that many Asian immigrants (as you also agree) become sycophantic and ape the mannerisms and ways of the kuffar in order to attempt to try to not "look out of place" in front of them, even though this is actually futile anyway given their racial characteristics automatically render this impossible. I fully agree that one should take pride and never become ashamed of their race and religion and culture and roots of their country of origin. When Asian sycophancy and aping of the Western kuffar takes over, the Western kuffar can SEE this grovelling and sycophancy and they either openly or secretly laugh at the weakness.

How is an obervation of social norms an issue for you? Many people from all walks of life are immigrants to some nation or another. They all have to adapt - along the way comes some "trial and error" - besides, if you know anything about migrations, historically it was never the first generation of migrants which integrated, for reasons too obvious to waste words on. The second generation, the descendants of the initial wave of migrants, were more likely to integrate into society, often losing their identity as they tried to balance both values, their ethnic and their new nations - this "balance" was often tipped in the direction of the nation as the ethnic was left in lieu of "progressive idealism", which the third generation - ironically - often shun in lieu of tradition and connection with their roots - giving the "ethnic connection" a reason to come back again.

So for you to base your argument on an observation which doesn't actually fit into the context of the points raised by yourself, does seem like hubris on your part.

Brother @Scimitar You seem to know a good deal about how certain tribes spread around the globe. Perhaps you can show brother karl how to history?

Easy peasy :)

Scimi

[Karl]

My sentiments exactly.

Furthermore, Karl, you are denying the Adam and Hawwa were the one originating pair of all humanity. So you are negating the word of Allah, which was very clear on this matter.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). [ 49:13]

Depends exactly how "mankind" and "humanity" is actually interpreted. It's a matter of opinion. No one is actually able to prove today that if we look at this from the context of the time of the prophet (pbuh) that "mankind" wasn't interpreted then as primarily meaning the incorporation of races of Asia, most especially the Semitic races (rather than every race across the entire planet/universe). In some civilizations of past epochs "humanity", "the world" and "the universe" didn't always mean what it does to most people now. It instead meant something more limited. While I am a humanoid and of a race entirely of our own independent existence, I do not accept being classed as being part of "mankind" or "humanity", nor will I tolerate being appropriated by "mankind" either. This is why I entirely defy anything foreign, particularly enemy entities such as the demonic United Nations imperialistic tool of the New World Order (which pretends to represents the "interests" of "mankind"). Therefore 49:13 in the Quran still has perfect meaning. I don't see how I contradict/deny it provided I don't acknowledge my kind as being a part of so-called "mankind".

[aaj]

Depends exactly how "mankind" and "humanity" is actually interpreted. It's a matter of opinion. No one is actually able to prove today that if we look at this from the context of the time of the prophet (pbuh) that "mankind" wasn't interpreted then as primarily meaning the incorporation of races of Asia, most especially the Semitic races (rather than every race across the entire planet/universe). In some civilizations of past epochs "humanity", "the world" and "the universe" didn't always mean what it does to most people now. It instead meant something more limited. While I am a humanoid and of a race entirely of our own independent existence, I do not accept being classed as being part of "mankind" or "humanity", nor will I tolerate being appropriated by "mankind" either. This is why I entirely defy anything foreign, particularly enemy entities such as the demonic United Nations imperialistic tool of the New World Order (which pretends to represents the "interests" of "mankind"). Therefore 49:13 in the Quran still has perfect meaning. I don't see how I contradict/deny it provided I don't acknowledge my kind as being a part of so-called "mankind".

regardless of what was referred to it in the past, today if yo look it up then you will find that

mankind: human beings considered collectively; the human race.

Naturally, mankind refers to human race. So what other kinds are there then? There is jinnkind and angelkind and you surely don't belong to any of those and there aren't any other kinds as far as we know. So you are part of mankind, all of humans are of mankind and belong to one parent. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Scimitar]

I never meant to imply that there wasn't the occasional drunken Viking race traitor. But miscegenation was by and large reviled by the Northern European races which is why most people didn't do it. The more fortunate side of it is at least most the other races they miscegenated WITH were Germanic, which meant they still at least remained blue eyed and athletically big and strong.

The Vikings were descended from Scythians, mate - who themselves consisted of around 24 tribes - of which there were two main racial types.

1) The typical blue eyed blonde haired, green eyed red haired. In fact, Genghis Khan, the Mongol - was reportedly red haired and green eyed according to the secret history of Mongolia.

2) The black haired and slant eyed - Turanian, (Sino-type) which ironically also included the Mongol tribe, which Genghis came from.

They also bred with each other - the two racial types, but the royal class did not mix blood. The Vikings (Scandinavian in general) descended from the royal class.
Although many Skaldic poems and runes tell us of honour and loot being the main protagonists in the Viking expansions - what you may not know is and what is little known, is this. They had very little regard for women and would shamelessly dishonour them in public in the lewdest of ways. So a claim to honour was baseless when their idea of it was compromised from the start.

The cleric, Dudo, in Normandy [approx. 1020 CE] wrote of the Vikings:

“…these people who insolently abandon themselves to excessive indulgence, live in outrageous union with many women and there in shameless and unlawful intercourse breed innumerable progeny. Once they have grown up, the young quarrel violently with their fathers and grandfathers, or with each other, about property…”

In fact, according to some historians, it is evident that these people's who have no moral anchoring, were the scourge of mankind.

And that was just one of the 24 tribes which make up the Scythian/Turanian R1A1 and R1A DNA pool.

Which - according to biblical historians claiming that the Scythes and Turans, go back to Magog (the scourge of mankind), son of Japeth, son of Noah, the biblical prophet of God, peace be upon him.

Stuff they don't teach you eh?

Scimi

[Karl]

regardless of what was referred to it in the past, today if yo look it up then you will find that

mankind: human beings considered collectively; the human race.

Naturally, mankind refers to human race. So what other kinds are there then? There is jinnkind and angelkind and you surely don't belong to any of those and there aren't any other kinds as far as we know. So you are part of mankind, all of humans are of mankind and belong to one parent. Nothing more, nothing less.

The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.

[Serinity]

:salam:

We all came from Adam :as: and Hawa (Eve), how can one deny that?

Allahu alam.

[Serinity]

The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.

This racist mindset is not from Islam. Rather than causing unity, this causes division. To view someone as lower than the other, based on race. I.e. "I am better than him, because my race is zxy" is racism.

It is ok to like a race. But to feel superior because of one's race is disgusting. Rather it is what Ibless did, and one of the characteristics of Ibless. ("Fire is better than clay, therefore I am better than him")

Now I am not saying you are like Ibless. But what I am saying is, this superiority complex and "my race is better than yours" is not from Islam.

It is ok to like a race, to want to be different, etc. But to feel superior over another solely based on race, is racism.

I am staunchily against this "Racial purity".

[noraina]

The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.

What is it you're afraid of exactly? Losing your culture, language, or those 'blue eyes'? With globalisation and all the world is a much smaller place, no doubt, and different people are assimilating and migrating all the time. But this has *always* been happening, if certain ancestors hadn't migrated from Africa several thousand years ago your race wouldn't even be here.

We all are one human race, made up of individuals and everything which makes them unique. You seem to be advocating some sort of racial separatism where there is no multiculturalism, and different races keep themselves to themselves. Well, especially in the 21st century, this is never going to happen, and it would be better for everyone to accept and appreciate that.


btw, brother @Scimitar , which encyclopaedia do you learn all of this from? I want it :D.

[sister herb]

The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.

Is this a claim that Allah created us all other creatures as humans and then one specific one called Germans? I am mostly Finnish origin but also mix with some German and Asian genes but I am definitely the human. That´s why I claim that humans exist. At least I exist. I am sure about it.

You see, as I am partly german, it proves that humans and Germans are the same species. They can produce offspring. For two species from very different origin it wouldn´t be possible - like tigers and giraffes.

[Karl]

This racist mindset is not from Islam. Rather than causing unity, this causes division. To view someone as lower than the other, based on race. I.e. "I am better than him, because my race is zxy" is racism.

It is ok to like a race. But to feel superior because of one's race is disgusting. Rather it is what Ibless did, and one of the characteristics of Ibless. ("Fire is better than clay, therefore I am better than him")

Now I am not saying you are like Ibless. But what I am saying is, this superiority complex and "my race is better than yours" is not from Islam.

It is ok to like a race, to want to be different, etc. But to feel superior over another solely based on race, is racism.

I am staunchily against this "Racial purity".

You seem to be confusing my want for race separateness and to be left alone with "racism" and a sense of "superiority". I have made it quite clear that while I am a race separatist and a race purist, I do NOT however regard my race as "superior" to any other living creature on the planet. I have emphasized this many times.

You say you are "staunchly against race purity". Well, I don't care if you do not have any value in the preservation of YOUR race, that is your choice and your loss if your race becomes permanently tainted by miscegenation (I am sure the godless Marxists will be more than happy to see that happen to you). But if you are saying you are also staunchly against the purity of MY race then you become a racist threat to me and others of my race. You say you "hate racism" yet when you also say you are "staunchly against race purity", that is in itself is a form of racism ANYWAY because it is a mentality that is opposed to the survival of different races being left intact. If you are "staunchly opposed" to MY racial purity then you are effectively in support of the genocide of my race which therefore would make you a very dangerous enemy.

[Serinity]

You seem to be confusing my want for race separateness and to be left alone with "racism" and a sense of "superiority". I have made it quite clear that while I am a race separatist and a race purist, I do NOT however regard my race as "superior" to any other living creature on the planet. I have emphasized this many times.

You say you are "staunchly against race purity". Well, I don't care if you do not have any value in the preservation of YOUR race, that is your choice and your loss if your race becomes permanently tainted by miscegenation (I am sure the godless Marxists will be more than happy to see that happen to you). But if you are saying you are also staunchly against the purity of MY race then you become a racist threat to me and others of my race. You say you "hate racism" yet when you also say you are "staunchly against race purity", that is in itself is a form of racism ANYWAY because it is a mentality that is opposed to the survival of different races being left intact. If you are "staunchly opposed" to MY racial purity then you are effectively in support of the genocide of my race which therefore would make you a very dangerous enemy.

I see mixing of races as no threat at all. What we should worry about is teaching our kids Islam, and to give them an Islamic upbringing.

I find this whole "Preservation of races" as a pipe dream. Who really cares? I do not call for the extinction of a race. I find all kinds of races beautiful in and of itself.

I just don't want societies to be split based on their race. I don't really care for my own race, nor do I care for my nationality, or where I am born. I only care about who I am, and that is me being a Muslim.

It is ok to like yourself to be in a race, be grateful and thank Allah :swt: . But don't think that you can forbid others from mixing races.

It is ok if you don't want to mix your race, but you can't prevent one from marrying another race.

I am of a race, but I give it no importance at all. The only important thing to me is who I am and where I go.

We will all die anyway, and the only thing that will benefit us is our deeds and Imaan. No race, wealth or any progeny will help you at all except for what good you did with your wealth and life.

Tell me please, why do you care for your race? Because to me it is of no importance at all.

Allahu alam.

[Karl]

What is it you're afraid of exactly? Losing your culture, language, or those 'blue eyes'? With globalisation and all the world is a much smaller place, no doubt, and different people are assimilating and migrating all the time. But this has *always* been happening, if certain ancestors hadn't migrated from Africa several thousand years ago your race wouldn't even be here.

Yes, as I said before, I am fiercely against my race losing our blue eyes and big strong masculine build. In fact, I'd rather be DEAD than lose that. As for your claim that my race wouldn't even exist "if there was no migrations out of Africa several thousands of years ago", well I don't buy that atheist pseudoscientific leftist "Out of Africa" theory to begin with. Like the "theory of evolution" there is simply no hard evidence for it. I instead am convinced that my own race had it's origins in North Europe itself, not Africa or Asia.

We all are one human race, made up of individuals and everything which makes them unique.

So the atheistic globalist leftists keep fanatically trying to ram down all our throats. Well, if you want to believe them then that's your choice. Just DON'T speak on behalf of MY race. I am NOT your race or any other "global race". Quit with all the political correctness and get over it.

You seem to be advocating some sort of racial separatism where there is no multiculturalism, and different races keep themselves to themselves.

You're certainly correct there. While the Marxist Jews are hellbent on all these things, I am completely OPPOSED to them. I am a nationalist. I believe that different races should stay in their own countries. North Europe for North European races, South Europe for Mediterranean races, Africa for African races, Asia for Asian races, and so on. I don't believe that I as a North European should be allowed to actually live in Africa or Asia. Those countries do NOT belong to me. North Europe IS however where I belong. Nonetheless, I am not opposed to Asians or Africans or South Europeans coming to North Europe as tourists or traders though. That is ok. But they should know to show some respect and return back home when their visit is done with.

Well, especially in the 21st century, this is never going to happen, and it would be better for everyone to accept and appreciate that.

I will never accept it, which is one of the reasons I feel the need to insulate and isolate my race even MORE than ever before.

[Zafran]

The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.

The Quran disagrees with you - look at surah at Nas.

[Zafran]

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[Karl]

Is this a claim that Allah created us all other creatures as humans and then one specific one called Germans? I am mostly Finnish origin but also mix with some German and Asian genes but I am definitely the human. That´s why I claim that humans exist. At least I exist. I am sure about it.

You see, as I am partly german, it proves that humans and Germans are the same species. They can produce offspring. For two species from very different origin it wouldn´t be possible - like tigers and giraffes.

Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.

You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species doesn't mean that I SHOULD.

[Karl]

Is this a claim that Allah created us all other creatures as humans and then one specific one called Germans? I am mostly Finnish origin but also mix with some German and Asian genes but I am definitely the human. That´s why I claim that humans exist. At least I exist. I am sure about it.

You see, as I am partly german, it proves that humans and Germans are the same species. They can produce offspring. For two species from very different origin it wouldn´t be possible - like tigers and giraffes.

Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.

You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species/race doesn't mean that I SHOULD.

[Scimitar]

The Quran disagrees with you - look at surah at Nas.

he's just being semantic brother Zafran,

and confuddling the word "race" for "species". ;) lol he's all over the place. Maybe English is not his first language? Let's give him another chance eh? hehe

Scimi

[Serinity]

I believe that different races should stay in their own countries. North Europe for North European races, South Europe for Mediterranean races, Africa for African races, Asia for Asian races, and so on. I don't believe that I as a North European should be allowed to actually live in Africa or Asia. Those countries do NOT belong to me. North Europe IS however where I belong. Nonetheless, I am not opposed to Asians or Africans or South Europeans coming to North Europe as tourists or traders though. That is ok. But they should know to show some respect and return back home when their visit is done with.

That is unislamic thinking right there, you know that?

What are you gonna do if an Islamic State emerges from Saudi Arabia, would you migrate there?

In an Islamic State, that kind of thinking is not tolerated. Islam came for ALL mankind, so all Muslims and Dhimmis of all races can live under the Islamic State.

Would you be opposed to that? For Africans, Asians, westerns, eastern, you name it, live under 1 Islamic State / country?

And Allah :swt: knows best.

[Scimitar]

Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.

You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species/race doesn't mean that I SHOULD.

bro, listen to me - what i write next, i do not ask you to accept. I ask you to investigate over time, as I have done.

the only times races were fiercely protective of their bloodline, was in the cases of royalty by way of Kingship.

But in Islam, we find that the prophet's and messengers of God often married women who were not from their own race. How did Allah ordain that Abraham pbuh, father "two great nations"??? The Hebrews and the Arabs???

Did he not have two wives? One his own race and one, an Egyptian???

Your case for racial purity shows me one thing only, that you do not trust God can reform a man in any colour HE wishes, you have not understood yet that between the two KUN, is a world of infinite possibility - and that power to create - or re-create - is Allah's alone.

Have some faith, drop the bad reasoning.

God bless,

Scimi

[Karl]

I see mixing of races as no threat at all. What we should worry about is teaching our kids Islam, and to give them an Islamic upbringing.

I find this whole "Preservation of races" as a pipe dream. Who really cares? I do not call for the extinction of a race. I find all kinds of races beautiful in and of itself.

I just don't want societies to be split based on their race. I don't really care for my own race, nor do I care for my nationality, or where I am born. I only care about who I am, and that is me being a Muslim.

It is ok to like yourself to be in a race, be grateful and thank Allah :swt: . But don't think that you can forbid others from mixing races.

It is ok if you don't want to mix your race, but you can't prevent one from marrying another race.

I am of a race, but I give it no importance at all. The only important thing to me is who I am and where I go.

We will all die anyway, and the only thing that will benefit us is our deeds and Imaan. No race, wealth or any progeny will help you at all except for what good you did with your wealth and life.

Tell me please, why do you care for your race? Because to me it is of no importance at all.

Allahu alam.

I think I have explained the reason why I am staunchly opposed to race mixing several times in this thread. There are various reasons, but one of the biggest is that I want my offspring and their offspring never to lose our physical attributes that has been handed down to us for thousands and thousands of years, such as our blue eyes and big strong sturdy builds. While I think brown eyes and smallness is cute and pretty, I DON'T however want MY race to actually BECOME that. Mixing small cute pretty races with big strong warrior races like mine is just insane and the worst kind of incompatibility I can think of. It's like wanting to mix an Alsatian with a toy dog...just completely crazy.

Yes, our religion IS very important, BUT that doesn't mean to say that everything else therefore "doesn't matter".

Of course I can't stop others miscegenating, but I WILL at least forbid my own offspring from committing such degeneracy. They have told me that they don't even WANT to anyway because they regard it as a mental illness and have absolutely no interest in it. If you "don't care" about your race, your nation, your culture, then fine, that is your choice and your permanent LOSS. But as far as I'M concerned I would not ever allow any of those things such as the preservation of my race to be sacrificed for anything in the world. I would rather see my offspring DIE than to see them race mix.

[sister herb]

Germans belong to the North Europe? Noooo way! They can stay in the Central Europe. Better leave the North to the "real" Nordic people. :coolious:

Ok, seriously speaking; "different races should stay in their own countries". Where I have heard this before? Propably from the hate speech of the far-right neo-nazis. They say exactly the same when refugees from the Syria and Iraq came to here.

[Karl]

That is unislamic thinking right there, you know that?

What are you gonna do if an Islamic State emerges from Saudi Arabia, would you migrate there?

In an Islamic State, that kind of thinking is not tolerated. Islam came for ALL mankind, so all Muslims and Dhimmis of all races can live under the Islamic State.

Would you be opposed to that? For Africans, Asians, westerns, eastern, you name it, live under 1 Islamic State / country?

And Allah :swt: knows best.

I see no reason why there can't be Islamic States in regions across different nations, with the different races residing in each respective zone. I don't really see why there should necessarily be any conflict in accommodating these things.

[anatolian]

I see no reason why there can't be Islamic States in regions across different nations, with the different races residing in each respective zone. I don't really see why there should necessarily be any conflict in accommodating these things.

Forget everything. That's the question. Would you accept a Muslim from another race as your brother/sister or not? Would you feel the same sympathy for them as you feel towards the ones from your race?

[Karl]

bro, listen to me - what i write next, i do not ask you to accept. I ask you to investigate over time, as I have done.

the only times races were fiercely protective of their bloodline, was in the cases of royalty by way of Kingship.

But in Islam, we find that the prophet's and messengers of God often married women who were not from their own race. How did Allah ordain that Abraham pbuh, father "two great nations"??? The Hebrews and the Arabs???

Did he not have two wives? One his own race and one, an Egyptian???

Your case for racial purity shows me one thing only, that you do not trust God can reform a man in any colour HE wishes, you have not understood yet that between the two KUN, is a world of infinite possibility - and that power to create - or re-create - is Allah's alone.

Have some faith, drop the bad reasoning.

God bless,

Scimi

Scimitar, I know there has always been historical cases of various individuals (including prophets) doing this and that, and I know that Islam apparently permits race mixing. That nonetheless will never change my own stance against race mixing. At the end of the day it is a choice thing. To each their own. If you love miscegenation then I am happy for you to do it. But I can guarantee that I as the father of my offspring strictly forbid it. If that makes me a" bad or ignorant Muslim" then so be it.

[Karl]

Forget everything. That's the question. Would you accept a Muslim from another race as your brother/sister or not? Would you feel the same sympathy for them as you feel towards the ones from your race?

I would accept a Muslim of a different race as a brother/sister in Islam and I would show them hospitality and friendship, yes. I feel sympathy for all living creatures, not just those of my own race.

[noraina]

Yes, as I said before, I am fiercely against my race losing our blue eyes and big strong masculine build. In fact, I'd rather be DEAD than lose that. As for your claim that my race wouldn't even exist "if there was no migrations out of Africa several thousands of years ago", well I don't buy that atheist pseudoscientific leftist "Out of Africa" theory to begin with. Like the "theory of evolution" there is simply no hard evidence for it. I instead am convinced that my own race had it's origins in North Europe itself, not Africa or Asia.

Just to correct this, it is impossible for any of us outside of the Middle East or Africa to have just 'sprung up' from our current location, looking as we are when looking at it from an Islamic perspective.

The Prophet Adam :as: was sent down to this earth in that region and so by default we all originate from there.

And if we really did keep ourselves to ourselves, and cultures did not interact or mingle with one another, this world would be a very different place, and I don't think for the better either.

Look, there's nothing wrong if you want to marry someone who is blue-eyed if that is your personal preference, but the reasons you are putting forward for it and the opinions you have are ones which Islam aims to do away with, especially concerning racial separatism and that you believe ethnic minorities shouldn't settle down in the West. And it would be unhealthy to pass these opinions down or force them onto your own children.

[aaj]

There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc.

There are not plethora of races. There is only one human race, one mankind. Your "white" race is not a race, it is an ethnicity among a plethora of ethnicities. You claim about Marxism lumping all of us into one race while you go the other end and claim to be a unique race of your own. If you are a Muslim as your profile says, then learn to SUBMIT to your Lord.


"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

Qur'an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat

[anatolian]

I would accept a Muslim of a different race as a brother/sister in Islam and I would show them hospitality and friendship, yes. I feel sympathy for all living creatures, not just those of my own race.

We must have the exact same love towards our brethren from other races/nations as we have towards people from our own races/nations. Not even one drop less..You must love your Turkish brother just as much you love your German brother...Otherwise we are not even considered believers.. You know the famous hadith which briefly says that "You cant enter Jannah unless you have faith and you dont have faith unless you love eachother"

[sister herb]

I was thinking that Islam is against nationalism. If yes, then kind of idea that people of other ethnicity should stay inside of their own borders of nations, is against the basic principles of Islam. We should break down the walls and cross-fences, not build new ones.

[anatolian]

There are not plethora of races. There is only one human race, one mankind. Your "white" race is not a race, it is an ethnicity among a plethora of ethnicities. You claim about Marxism lumping all of us into one race while you go the other end and claim to be a unique race of your own. If you are a Muslim as your profile says, then learn to SUBMIT to your Lord.


"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

Qur'an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat

Salam. There are races. Quran mentions it as well. But not as a subject of seperation but as a subject of unification. As you qoted it

30:22 "And one of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors; most surely there are signs in this for the learned" M.H.Shakir

[Scimitar]

Scimitar, I know there has always been historical cases of various individuals (including prophets) doing this and that, and I know that Islam apparently permits race mixing. That nonetheless will never change my own stance against race mixing. At the end of the day it is a choice thing. To each their own. If you love miscegenation then I am happy for you to do it. But I can guarantee that I as the father of my offspring strictly forbid it. If that makes me a" bad or ignorant Muslim" then so be it.

Aha!!!

If this is your motivation then that is fine, since societal laws permit "grown up" marrying who they want - you got bigger issues then just race to contend with mate - you're dancing to the wrong music as they say. Shouldn't you instead doing the wailing waltz around the idea that your children may grow up liking the same sex? or transgender? or whatever else they can concoct up by the time they've grown and you've gone gray and bald?

Like I said, I don't think you have identified the real issues plaguing your children's innocence - and believe me, it's got nothing to do with race.

Other factors which you have neglected to mention here, which I briefly mentioned are issues which you should prioritize over the race issue, for real bro.

God bless

Scimi

[Umm♥Layth]

This is a hilarious thread. He wants Europeans to keep to themselves and preserve their race when they have infiltrated/colonized just about every other race in existence today.

The mother tongue of south american countries is NOT and never was Spanish. Not even close. The mother tongue of north America was never English or French. Who brought these languages and interbred with all of these people? ;D it surely wasn't their own race.

Where does the English language originate from anyway? and why all the different dialects of it?

You can follow food, you can follow languages, you can follow cultures and you'll see that every race has an influence from another. Full stop. There is no such thing as an original race or culture. It takes a serious ignoramus to not realize this.

Flour tortillas are not Mexican by the way. Neither are nachos. Rice was never part of the south American diet until very recently in history, yet most of them think it is their staple! ;) Everyone should rid themselves of nationalism and a false sense of pride. It's ridiculous.

Karl, you've yet to address any of @Scimitar's posts. I find this amusing. You seem to only entertain superficial arguments about this subject. Please do not respond to this post or quote it without addressing the real issues here. Have fun!

[Scimitar]

It doesn't matter - he's basically said that regardless of the Muslim/Islamic position on race being a non factor in anything - he is still going to be a white supremacist because he considers all other races impure in so many words.

His argument is not worth entertaining when he, himself knows that his opinion is not from any religion we know as authentic, but just his personal opinion being forced onto his children, rather poignantly. To his dismay, he may find that when they are old enough to make their own decisions, they may view him as a product of a bygone era as social norms affect their own ability to choose their own partners.

What a world.

We can speculate all we like, but that proverbial rug will always be pulled out from under our feet. Stay light on your toes, peeps!

Scimi

[sister herb]

I suggest that all Europeans immediately move back to Europe. It can be a bit cramped but at least we are the same breeds. Well, at least almost.

Wait! Who takes Trump? :o Let´s see... His ancestors originated from the Germany. No problem then. :D

[Futuwwa]

I never meant to imply that there wasn't the occasional drunken Viking race traitor. But miscegenation was by and large reviled by the Northern European races which is why most people didn't do it. The more fortunate side of it is at least most the other races they miscegenated WITH were Germanic, which meant they still at least remained blue eyed and athletically big and strong.

Do you even reading comprehension bro?

The Vikings that conquered England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily miscegenated to the point that they were completely assimilated by the conquered. That's way more than a bit of random zina by a drunken race traitor. No, none of those races they miscegenated with were Germanic, apart from the English which were so to a large extent but significantly miscegenated with Celts by that point.

Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.

You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species doesn't mean that I SHOULD.

I'm Germanic enough that I would have been eligible to be a poster-boy for the Waffen-SS. Allah mit uns! Yet, I reject your notions of racial purity. I salute the Slavic subhumans who 72 years ago buried such notions under the tracks of tanks. Proletarier aller Länder, lä ilähä ill-Allah!

Do you even biology bro? Species are defined by being unable to breed with each other and produce fertile offspring. That there are odd exceptions now and then just shows that the line between race and species is not exact, that there is a greyzone in between where breeding and producing fertile offspring is highly unlikely but possible. That a line needs to be drawn somewhere for classification does in no way invalidate the concept. To call different human populations different species is preposterous. Any two human races can interbreed with far too high likelihood for them to be different species.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;

I would rather see my offspring DIE than to see them race mix.

At best your thoughts seem more to do with vanity, I think Islam has much to say about vanity and pride, so why would you want to go against your religion, and preach this to your children. At worst, your thoughts seem extreme and unhealthy.

Arabs must have brought Islam to Germany, in a similar way that Jews brought Judaism to Germany, and we know what Adolph thought of Jews.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'.

Eric

[greenhill]

I thought blonde blue eyes were of recessive genes? Dark hair and eyes the dominant genes?

By the way, didn't Adolf Hitlers's plan to show the superior race (although he himself wasn't) put to shame when a man with recessive genes won 4 gold medals?


:peace:

[sister herb]

I see it illogical to believe that there is no evolution and at the same time believe that child gets part of his genes from his mom and other part from his dad and that those different kind mix of genes gives to him different characters. This is also so called evolution. Opposite would to be to believe that child is a creation of Allah and He alone decides if German mom and Tunisian dad gets child who has blond hair and blue eyes or black hair and brown eyes. Forget genes, they belong to the evolution theorists.

A brief definition of evolution: Evolution is a change in the relative numbers of different forms of genes in the population.

Just my thoughts. ;)

[Karl]

And if we really did keep ourselves to ourselves, and cultures did not interact or mingle with one another, this world would be a very different place, and I don't think for the better either.

How wouldn't it be for the "better"? The different races of different nations thrived and survived perfectly well without inter-racial intermingling for THOUSANDS OF YEARS! What you are saying here is merely a matter of opinion. You personally think that mass immigration and race intermingling is a "great thing", whereas I have never been so unhappy and despairing since it all went rampant at the beginning of this century. It has lead to loss of jobs here, as well as overpopulation, overload of infrastructures, and last but not least, the deliberate mass extermination of white people through many of them being brainwashed by the Jewish run media into miscegenating.

Look, there's nothing wrong if you want to marry someone who is blue-eyed if that is your personal preference,

Not just blue eyes, but just as importantly and even most importantly, BIG AND STRONG physique. In other words, NO puny effeminate featured weaklings!

but the reasons you are putting forward for it and the opinions you have are ones which Islam aims to do away with, especially concerning racial separatism and that you believe ethnic minorities shouldn't settle down in the West.

Do away with? That sounds like a threat more than anything. Are you saying that "Islam" aims to forcibly "do away with" racial separatism, EVEN those who are not even Muslims? You have no right to force race integration on them. One other reason why I am against Asians (including even Muslims) migrating to the West is not only because I am a race separatist, but ALSO because it says in the Islamic teachings that all Muslims should NOT go and live in kuffar countries! I am dismayed why so many Muslims including yourself choose to IGNORE this.

And it would be unhealthy to pass these opinions down or force them onto your own children.

Too late. I already have passed these ideas onto my children. But the good thing is, I don't even have to "force" them to live by my staunch anti-race-mixing and anti-racial-integration stance. They instinctively are repulsed by these things ANYWAY which of course makes things much easier for me.

[Karl]

There are not plethora of races. There is only one human race, one mankind. Your "white" race is not a race, it is an ethnicity among a plethora of ethnicities. You claim about Marxism lumping all of us into one race while you go the other end and claim to be a unique race of your own. If you are a Muslim as your profile says, then learn to SUBMIT to your Lord.


"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

Qur'an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat

Wrong. As even some other Muslims have corrected the "there's only one race, the human race" morons here in this very thread (look for them), race is even mentioned in the Quran! Allah made DIFFERENT races! And he also made NATIONS for each of them to live in!

[Karl]

I was thinking that Islam is against nationalism. If yes, then kind of idea that people of other ethnicity should stay inside of their own borders of nations, is against the basic principles of Islam. We should break down the walls and cross-fences, not build new ones.

Spoken like a true Bolshevik!

[Karl]

Aha!!!

If this is your motivation then that is fine, since societal laws permit "grown up" marrying who they want - you got bigger issues then just race to contend with mate - you're dancing to the wrong music as they say. Shouldn't you instead doing the wailing waltz around the idea that your children may grow up liking the same sex? or transgender? or whatever else they can concoct up by the time they've grown and you've gone gray and bald?

I don't care for "societal laws". As a parental sovereigntist I raise my offspring however I see fit. As for transgender and homosexuality, those illnesses are rare to occur in my race anyway, so unlikely I would encounter it in my offspring. It doesn't also take the completed process of being "grown up" for offspring to develop a mental illness such as homosexuality of transgender, such things could happen at a very young age, but as I said, such psychological illnesses are rare in those of my race anyway, so I'm unlikely to be unfortunate enough to encounter such a situation.

Like I said, I don't think you have identified the real issues plaguing your children's innocence - and believe me, it's got nothing to do with race.

If there's another expression I can't stand, it's that outdated Victorian concept of "childhood innocence". It's merely something that belongs to the imagination of male-hating womanists. One of course is innocent if they have not yet committed a crime, but that is something not specific to age. There are plenty of innocent adults, just as there are many guilty children.

Other factors which you have neglected to mention here, which I briefly mentioned are issues which you should prioritize over the race issue, for real bro.

As the father of my offspring, it is up to me and me alone to prioritize however I see fit in regards to the various issues that my children may or may not become confronted with. There are many priorities, but keeping them racially untainted is one of the biggest priorities of all.

[Karl]

Everyone should rid themselves of nationalism and a false sense of pride. It's ridiculous.

Not on your LIFE are you ever gonna get ME to agree to that. NEVER will I let my guard down to anyone attempting to convert me to internationalism and its demonic agenda for the destruction of nations and races. You seem to think that a sense of racial pride and nationalism is something exclusively restricted to "white neo-nazis", but note well, MANY nations around the world also share a healthy sense of nationalistic and racial pride, even many MUSLIM ones!

Karl, you've yet to address any of @Scimitar's posts. I find this amusing. You seem to only entertain superficial arguments about this subject. Please do not respond to this post or quote it without addressing the real issues here. Have fun!

I think I pretty well have covered most if not all of it by now.

[Karl]

It doesn't matter - he's basically said that regardless of the Muslim/Islamic position on race being a non factor in anything - he is still going to be a white supremacist because he considers all other races impure in so many words.

His argument is not worth entertaining when he, himself knows that his opinion is not from any religion we know as authentic, but just his personal opinion being forced onto his children, rather poignantly. To his dismay, he may find that when they are old enough to make their own decisions, they may view him as a product of a bygone era as social norms affect their own ability to choose their own partners.

What a world.

We can speculate all we like, but that proverbial rug will always be pulled out from under our feet. Stay light on your toes, peeps!
Scimi

How many times have I had to say that I am not a "white supremacist"? For the umpteenth time, I am not a supremacist at all, I am a race SEPARATIST and an anti-miscegenationist. Totally different things!

As for my offspring being "old enough to make their own decisions", that never will completely happen while I am still alive. They know they should respect their father's wishes, or else serious consequences would result. My offspring don't care about "social norms" anyway because they and I have no time for "society" to begin with. To HELL with "society" and their passing fads and idiotic whims. You go on about my offspring at some point might think I am a "product of a bygone era"? LOL, FORGET talking about bygone eras! Most people today (especially in the West) ridicule ISLAM as being a "7th century cult of a bygone era"!

[Scimitar]

Karl I'll reply to you when I come back from work,

For now tho - I will ask this. Are you the genetically modified product of Hitler and Darwin? Lol

Think about it. You know what I mean. I do wonder though, why your weak faith allows this closet racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty bro

Scimi

EDIT:

How many times have I had to say that I am not a "white supremacist"?

Well now, apparently you already are... you may be happier with yourself if you just accept it.

Off to work, back later in sha Allah.

Scimi

[Karl]

Do you even reading comprehension bro?

The Vikings that conquered England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily miscegenated to the point that they were completely assimilated by the conquered. That's way more than a bit of random zina by a drunken race traitor. No, none of those races they miscegenated with were Germanic, apart from the English which were so to a large extent but significantly miscegenated with Celts by that point.

No, they were Germanic. Celts too are generally regarded as Germanic as well. As for Normandy, that has historically been a Germanic stronghold. And Russia, well there's the whole of WHITE Russia to begin with!

I'm Germanic enough that I would have been eligible to be a poster-boy for the Waffen-SS. Allah mit uns! Yet, I reject your notions of racial purity. I salute the Slavic subhumans who 72 years ago buried such notions under the tracks of tanks. Proletarier aller Länder, lä ilähä ill-Allah!

It was primarily the Bolshevist JEWS who defeated the Nazis. Many Nazis actually admired the strong sturdy builds of Slavs. In fact many Nazis didn't actually regard Slavs as untermenschen at all. You say that Nazism has no place with Islam. Funny though ain't it that the Nazis were actually ALLIED to some Muslim countries! You said you would have "been eligible to be a poster boy of the Waffen SS". I always find it such an especially terrible tragedy whenever I see guys like you, fantastic looking, big, tall, strong and athletic, walking around town hand in hand with some incompatible featured female of a disparate foreign race. I just about weep when I see it. My children always make comments too when they see a situation like that and they say things like "How could he DO that to himself? What's wrong with females of his own race?? Why choose something so physically incompatible? Why doesn't he want his sons to look just as masculinely big and strong and athletic as himself? Does he just want to breed up wimps with her or what?"

Do you even biology bro? Species are defined by being unable to breed with each other and produce fertile offspring. That there are odd exceptions now and then just shows that the line between race and species is not exact, that there is a greyzone in between where breeding and producing fertile offspring is highly unlikely but possible. That a line needs to be drawn somewhere for classification does in no way invalidate the concept. To call different human populations different species is preposterous. Any two human races can interbreed with far too high likelihood for them to be different species.

Speak for yourSELF, not MY race. If you believe you are of the "same species" as every member of every race on the planet then that's your choice. Just DON'T appropriate ME into your "big single human family" as WELL. I take a lot of what contemporary mainstream biology says with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to humans in particular, given that the academic institutions that "teach" it are primarily controlled by LEFTIST professors with LEFTIST and GLOBALIST agendas.

I still don't see what you said invalidates what I said earlier about species. Just because two different organisms are able to reproduce fertile offspring time and time again without many fails doesn't still mean to say they are of the "same species". I am not of the "same species" as members not of my race, so just get over it!

[Karl]

I thought blonde blue eyes were of recessive genes? Dark hair and eyes the dominant genes?

No, they are not "recessive genes" at all, although you might often hear leftist pseudoscientists preach that. Blond hair and blue eyes in North European races is not "recessive" at all. They are the inherent norm which contribute as part of their genetic makeup. Germanics by their very nature have blue eyes, but hair, although often blond can also be of other colours too.

[Serinity]

Allah :swt: created Different races for us to LIVE together not to live separate from each other.

This whole "Northern people stay north, south stay south" is ridiculous and not from Islam. for there to exist 1 united Islamic State, there can not be racism.

Islam came for all people, and I am staunchly against this race separatism and division of countries and regions based on race.

I look western, but does that mean that I now have to lock myself to the West? This is Jahil mentality. Race means nothing, we are all beautiful in our own right, and race-mixing is beautiful.

Allah could make me African, or Eastern-looking. I see no basis for staying in your "region".

Allahu alam.

[Karl]

Karl I'll reply to you when I come back from work,

For now tho - I will ask this. Are you the genetically modified product of Hitler and Darwin? Lol

Think about it. You know what I mean. I do wonder though, why your weak faith allows this closet racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty bro

You are reading too much into things, Scimi. I am not full of hate for different races with a "racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty". I am merely a race purist and a nationalist. That's it and it's no big deal...it's just that often when my personal stance is not respected and I am instead continually harassed and antagonized by those who do not personally agree with me... that's when discussions can get heated and I as a result get angry and it can sometimes perhaps show in less desirable ways.

[SilentSacrifice]

SalamunAlaykum,

This is definitely an issue in the Muslim community. In Asia and some (or many) Arab countries, there is some weird obsession with "light skin" being more beautiful and desired. Why?
In some places, converts who are white seem to be treated as if they're somehow extra special. And just because a person is white and has coloured eyes says they're a Muslim does not mean that they are a convert (as some would automatically assume). And Europeans/Americans are not the only ones with light skin or light eyes as ignorant people would assume. Or that people with dark skin tones cannot and do not have light eyes.

Muslims need to get it into their heads that light skin tones are NOT more beautiful that dark skin tones and that all skin colours are beautiful. We shouldn't look at a person and instantly think of the colour of their skin. We should see them as just another person, just another couple. Nor is one eye colour more special or beautiful than any other.

Beauty is subjective. What one person may find attractive may not be attractive to another. Some racists (for example from the white communities) seem to believe that their people are superior and better looking than dark skinned people. Quite delusional really. It's none of anyone else's business if a dark skinned person marries a light skinned person or vice versa. We are human beings. Our skin or eye colour does not make us more special than anyone else or inferior to anyone else.

In Islam, no one skin tone, colour or race is superior to another. Simple as that.

[Karl]

Allah :swt: created Different races for us to LIVE together not to live separate from each other.

This whole "Northern people stay north, south stay south" is ridiculous and not from Islam. for there to exist 1 united Islamic State, there can not be racism.

Islam came for all people, and I am staunchly against this race separatism and division of countries and regions based on race.

But what about non Muslims? The thing you forget is that the vast majority of the races native to Europe are NOT even Muslims, and let's be real here, Europe will never become predominantly Islamic...so therefore what you say about destroying national borders is irrelevant. You have no right to push your new multiracial nations on those of us who do not want to be part of it! If you are speaking from an Islamic stance then Muslims can be free to live in some big state with all races coming together in kumbaya bliss, but DON'T force your multicultural multiracial state on the indigenous races of Europe who also aren't even Muslims or Marxists.

I look western, but does that mean that I now have to lock myself to the West? This is Jahil mentality.

If you don't mind me asking, what Western race are you of? You see, these days, to look "Western" can cover a wide range of races, to the extent that they are not even natives of Europe, but foreigners who have over time become associated with Europe. Even Jews (in)correctly claim themselves to "look Western" and be "white", but they are not.

Race means nothing,

Speak for YOUR race, not mine. My race does NOT mean "nothing". I am very PROUD of my race and would NOT give up my identity for ANYTHING. You offend me with your arrogant dismissal of race. People should be PROUD of their race, not ashamed or not caring about it!

we are all beautiful in our own right,

Maybe so, but that's a matter of opinion. Various races are actually physically NOT beautiful to various other races. It is also puzzling why some people seem to have this notion that all races "should be beautiful", when in fact there is no real reason why that should be the case. For example, I don't regard my own race as "beautiful" nor do I EXPECT or WANT it to be. Beautiful really isn't the right kind of word to apply to members of my race, although it could be said that we look cool, awesome, and maybe handsome etc, but not "beautiful", "petite" "cute" "dainty" "pretty" etc, as they are more correctly terms better suited to the soft-featured diminutive races of Asia, South America and parts of Africa.

and race-mixing is beautiful.

UGH+o(. That's YOUR opinion, and the Marxist Jews will LOVE you for saying that. When I see the hybrids from the incompatible unions of North Europeans with Asians the offspring actually look strange and really freaky and ugly to me. And many people agree with me too. Even some religious figures have referred to miscegenation as an evil and the hybrids being of the devil.

Allah could make me African, or Eastern-looking. I see no basis for staying in your "region".

That is YOUR opinion, but DON'T force your "multiracial paradise" on EVERYONE. Many people (including myself) DON'T want that. We have a right to live in separatist states if we want!

[sister herb]

During the history, people and tribes have moved to new places to live. I don´t know why this current situation should to be final and stable and people whose now live in Europe, should stay there and live in the same areas forever (or until the Judgement Day) and kick out others whose are moving at this time.

[anatolian]

Wrong. As even some other Muslims have corrected the "there's only one race, the human race" morons here in this very thread (look for them), race is even mentioned in the Quran! Allah made DIFFERENT races! And he also made NATIONS for each of them to live in!

Brother, if you are refering to my post please read the ayahs we posted on the issue again. Allah created us as different races to understand the wisdom of the Creation. There is a similarity between the creation of heavens and earth and different races. Our different races are just the signs of the Creator. And in another ayah He says He created us different to meet and know each other, not to seperate ourselves. You continously ignore this part. Being proud of your physical features is a big big mistake in Islam. Nothing you have you got it yourself. Everything is given to you by Allah.

[sister herb]

The thing what came to my mind; as this life is the test for us for the eternal after-life, how then keeping your "race" (or genes) "clean", can prepare yourself for the eternal life? Or have they any kind of value? Are you better prepared for the Jannah if your genes are from parents from the same gene group or you have made sure that genes of your children or grandchildren are homogeneous? If those things don´t matter, why to lost your time for kind of secondary matters in this earthly life? Does guarding these gene and race things make you better Muslim?

[Karl]

During the history, people and tribes have moved to new places to live. I don´t know why this current situation should to be final and stable and people whose now live in Europe, should stay there and live in the same areas forever (or until the Judgement Day) and kick out others whose are moving at this time.

People for thousands of years have also been genocided for moving to a country they are not wanted in. It might not happen straight away but often it could eventually happen. People have been moving around during history. But you need to remember that the amount of migration back then was nothing compared to what it has become NOW. Another thing too is that the majority of those who moved about in past times moved to relatively close nations with similar races, NOT continent loads of alien races moving intercontinentally in mass exodus. You just can't compare the past to the race-genociding apocalypse of now.

Just wondering, and may I ask: Are you another one of these white converts by any chance? I've noticed that there seems to be a lot of other ones here too. It has been occurring to me for a while now that there seems to be far more degenerate whites really pushing for their Europe to become multiracial and also pushing for race mixing, much moreso than the Muslim and other Asian immigrants themselves, who I believe tend to be just happy breeding with each other when they move here, rather than miscegenating with Westerners. So it seems that not only the Marxist Jews but also many whites appear to be some of the biggest culprits behind pro-miscegenation propaganda and the biggest culprits for arm-twisting Muslim (and other) immigrants from Asia and Africa to miscegenate with them. I have actually encountered many Muslim immigrants who have told me this too. They have said to me that often whites tend to get pushy with them and intimidate them not to marry within their own race and to miscegenate with the whites instead. If this is actually a widespread problem then it would suggest that most whites just don't like being white, which is the reason why they eagerly invite hordes of Asians into Europe. It's a really strange phenomenon I will never be able to understand.

[Karl]

Brother, if you are refering to my post please read the ayahs we posted on the issue again. Allah created us as different races to understand the wisdom of the Creation. There is a similarity between the creation of heavens and earth and different races. Our different races are just the signs of the Creator. And in another ayah He says He created us different to meet and know each other, not to seperate ourselves. You continously ignore this part. Being proud of your physical features is a big big mistake in Islam. Nothing you have you got it yourself. Everything is given to you by Allah.

Ok, but just because Allah created us to meet and know each other is NOT a call by him for actually taking things as far as MISCEGENATION. Yes, meet each other and know each other means things like trading, tourism, exchanging of knowledge and wisdom, and even friendship, but to take it as extreme as to miscegenate actually RUINS Allah's different creations. He didn't want us to race mix, that's why he created us as separate races to BEGIN with! Don't you see?

[Umm♥Layth]

[Karl]

SalamunAlaykum,

This is definitely an issue in the Muslim community. In Asia and some (or many) Arab countries, there is some weird obsession with "light skin" being more beautiful and desired. Why?
In some places, converts who are white seem to be treated as if they're somehow extra special. And just because a person is white and has coloured eyes says they're a Muslim does not mean that they are a convert (as some would automatically assume). And Europeans/Americans are not the only ones with light skin or light eyes as ignorant people would assume. Or that people with dark skin tones cannot and do not have light eyes.

Muslims need to get it into their heads that light skin tones are NOT more beautiful that dark skin tones and that all skin colours are beautiful. We shouldn't look at a person and instantly think of the colour of their skin. We should see them as just another person, just another couple. Nor is one eye colour more special or beautiful than any other.

Beauty is subjective. What one person may find attractive may not be attractive to another. Some racists (for example from the white communities) seem to believe that their people are superior and better looking than dark skinned people. Quite delusional really. It's none of anyone else's business if a dark skinned person marries a light skinned person or vice versa. We are human beings. Our skin or eye colour does not make us more special than anyone else or inferior to anyone else.

In Islam, no one skin tone, colour or race is superior to another. Simple as that.

There are differing perceptions of what "white" is. North Europeans regard it as the colour of their own pinkish-white skin. But in places like India where they recognize a range of skin tones "white" is actually more like what a Germanic would regard as lightish brown. My North European pinkish-lily-white skin is completely off the scale in India and is regarded by them as a sickly white they find unappealing. As to what skin colour is "more attractive" that merely comes down to a matter of personal opinion. I agree that Muslims and other Asians need to get it into their heads that light skin tone is not more beautiful than brown skin tones. In fact, even though I'm racially Germanic I actually find the brown skin tones of Muslims and other Asians to look pretty, soft and erotic. I would never however want my own skin to look like that because I don't even want my own race to look "beautiful" anyway. I belong to a fierce warrior race and God never actually INTENDED us to look cute and small and pretty to begin with, so this is why I am very comfortable and happy and proud with my big-built hard-featured lily-white physical features.

You are quite correct that beauty is subjective, but then you go on to say that most white people regard their own race as better looking than the brown races, and are therefore "delusional". That's kind of a contradiction as you already acknowledge that perceptions of what looks good is subjective and a matter of preference. White people who do not find brown/black races attractive are not "delusional" at all because that is simply just how they themselves interpret. Just the same as how someone of a brown/black race is not being "delusional" just because they regard the pinkish-white skin and heavy-set morphologies of us Germanics to be barbarously unrefined, harsh and unattractive as well.

You say it's no one else's business if a white skinned North European race marries a brown/dark skin race. Ok fair enough, I don't like busybodies interfering in my business either... BUT in SOME cases it IS someone else's business. When family is involved. If one of MY offspring marries a different race then that IS my business as their FATHER to put a STOP to it.

[anatolian]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha :)

So what about the racism or extreme nationalism within the Muslim folks? I have not ever lived in the UAE but talk to Indians and Pakistanis living and working in the UAE and Qatar on a daily basis because of my job. What I observe they face a discrimination. Maybe the OP can enlighten us about it also.

Maybe Muslim nations should develop an Islamic Union just like EU where we can move and stay as we wish.

[SilentSacrifice]

There are differing perceptions of what "white" is. North Europeans regard it as the colour of their own pinkish-white skin. But in places like India where they recognize a range of skin tones "white" is actually more like what a Germanic would regard as lightish brown. My North European pinkish-lily-white skin is completely off the scale in India and is regarded by them as a sickly white they find unappealing. As to what skin colour is "more attractive" that merely comes down to a matter of personal opinion. I agree that Muslims and other Asians need to get it into their heads that light skin tone is not more beautiful than brown skin tones. In fact, even though I'm racially Germanic I actually find the brown skin tones of Muslims and other Asians to look pretty, soft and erotic. I would never however want my own skin to look like that because I don't even want my own race to look "beautiful" anyway. I belong to a fierce warrior race and God never actually INTENDED us to look cute and small and pretty to begin with, so this is why I am very comfortable and happy and proud with my big-built hard-featured lily-white physical features.

You are quite correct that beauty is subjective, but then you go on to say that most white people regard their own race as better looking than the brown races, and are therefore "delusional". That's kind of a contradiction as you already acknowledge that perceptions of what looks good is subjective and a matter of preference. White people who do not find brown/black races attractive are not "delusional" at all because that is simply just how they themselves interpret. Just the same as how someone of a brown/black race is not being "delusional" just because they regard the pinkish-white skin and heavy-set morphologies of us Germanics to be barbarously unrefined, harsh and unattractive as well.

You say it's no one else's business if a white skinned North European race marries a brown/dark skin race. Ok fair enough, I don't like busybodies interfering in my business either... BUT in SOME cases it IS someone else's business. When family is involved. If one of MY offspring marries a different race then that IS my business as their FATHER to put a STOP to it.

Of course. I also used the term "light tones".

How is that a contradiction? There are some white people who do believe that white, LIGHT skin colour is better and more attractive, which is not true at all. However, there are "white" people who do find dark skin tones attractive and vice versa.

You can't generalize like that. Not all "Germanic" people look the same. Not all South Asians look the same. Nor all Arabic people etc. Even my sister is a different skin tone to me.

No it's not actually. If God allows it, then it's wrong for you to try to stop it solely based on skin colour.

[SilentSacrifice]

[QUOTE=anatolian;2959853]Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha :)
[QUOTE]

Umm.. a person who does not find such a "calamity" attractive?

[anatolian]

[QUOTE=SilentSacrifice;2959856][QUOTE=anatolian;2959853]Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha :)

Umm.. a person who does not find such a "calamity" attractive?

People tend to find the types more beatiful which have different features. Since the vast majority of mankind have black hair and eyes, they find blonde hair and blue eyes more beautiful. And for sure the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes will find the types having black hair and eye more beautiful. In fact this is just another counter argument for "miscegenation". We want to mix with the typos who are different.

But cultural colonialism is also effective. Claudia Schiffer was shown as the most beautiful woman for at least twenty years. LOL. This is called mind programming.

[SilentSacrifice]

[QUOTE=anatolian;2959892][QUOTE=SilentSacrifice;2959856]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha :)


People tend to find the types more beatiful which have different features. Since the vast majority of mankind have black hair and eyes, they find blonde hair and blue eyes more beautiful. And for sure the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes will find the types having black hair and eye more beautiful. In fact this is just another counter argument for "miscegenation". We want to mix with the typos who are different.

But cultural colonialism is also effective. Claudia Schiffer was shown as the most beautiful woman for at least twenty years. LOL. This is called mind programming.

Black hair? And eyes? As far as I know black eyes are very rare or don't even exist. Did you mean brown?

There are people with dark eyes who find others with dark eyes attractive too, same with people who have blue eyes, etc. It just comes to down to personal preference.

Had to google her.

[Scimitar]

You are reading too much into things, Scimi. I am not full of hate for different races with a "racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty". I am merely a race purist and a nationalist. That's it and it's no big deal...it's just that often when my personal stance is not respected and I am instead continually harassed and antagonized by those who do not personally agree with me... that's when discussions can get heated and I as a result get angry and it can sometimes perhaps show in less desirable ways.

Ok

Well, i can roll with that.

Anyway, to reiterate where we are at.

You have nothing against other races, but you are proud of your own race. May I ask Why? I mean, Germanic people's have a very dark stain on their skin don't they? The holocaust is from your race, right?

I'm sure you realize I can form a list of all the reasons one cannot be proud of Caucasian's but in fairness - I want to know how a man can have pride in being Caucasian - or as you like to call it - Germanic.

So I'm willing to give you a chance to justify this idea that there is pride to be had in being "Germanic / Caucasian".

God bless,

Scimi

[anatolian]

Germanic is the secular white supremacist theory that all white folks of today originated from Germany once upon a time. Caucasian is the religious version of this white supremacy that all white folks of today originated from Caucasia after the Flood.

[Karl]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha :)

So what about the racism or extreme nationalism within the Muslim folks? I have not ever lived in the UAE but talk to Indians and Pakistanis living and working in the UAE and Qatar on a daily basis because of my job. What I observe they face a discrimination. Maybe the OP can enlighten us about it also.

Maybe Muslim nations should develop an Islamic Union just like EU where we can move and stay as we wish.

Actually many Indians and Pakistanis themselves are also extremely nationalist anyway. Hindutvas are staunchly proud of their races, languages, culture and hate anything of foreign imposition, most particularly anything British. Pakistani nationalists are just the same, and all I can say is good on them. And look at it THIS way...at least the UAE aren't as racist as guys like Tamerlane, who went through South Asia actually SLAUGHTERING the inhabitants. A bit of discrimination here and there in the work place on the other hand is trivial by comparison.

[Karl]

Of course. I also used the term "light tones".

How is that a contradiction? There are some white people who do believe that white, LIGHT skin colour is better and more attractive, which is not true at all. However, there are "white" people who do find dark skin tones attractive and vice versa.

You can't generalize like that. Not all "Germanic" people look the same. Not all South Asians look the same. Nor all Arabic people etc. Even my sister is a different skin tone to me.

No it's not actually. If God allows it, then it's wrong for you to try to stop it solely based on skin colour.

The white people who say that white skin is better looking are meaning it from their own perspective. They know however that in the bigger scheme of things other races will find brown or black skin attractive. If I say that "icecream tastes better than broccoli" it doesn't mean to say that I believe it to be some sort of universal truth, but rather such a statement is merely expressing my own taste.

I agree, not all Germanics look the same. This is because there are many different races of Germanics, with differing morphologies, but there are common features that go across all Germanic races, that being our cold raptorial blue eyes and sturdy built frames. You are equally correct that not all South Asians look the same too, some in fact look very different. This is because there are many different races inhabiting South Asia, which is part of the basis why the caste system came into being there.

You are wrong to conclude that I forbid my children to miscegenate based merely on skin colour . Rather, it is race itself, not mere skin colour. Skin colour is just the amount of melanin one has and the more sun there is the more melanin one makes. If I went and lived in tropical Asia I am of course going to go dark. I will nonetheless still stand out like a sore toe to the natives living there because of my much bigger Germanic size, strong sturdy morphology and long bulky face. This is why many Asians (including Afghans) refer to us Germanic races as "melon heads", lol.

[Karl]

People tend to find the types more beatiful which have different features. Since the vast majority of mankind have black hair and eyes, they find blonde hair and blue eyes more beautiful. And for sure the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes will find the types having black hair and eye more beautiful.

Only a minority though will find members of various foreign races attractive. In spite of the miscegenation holocaust currently underway, there are nonetheless many people who do not have a sexual fetish for foreign races.

In fact this is just another counter argument for "miscegenation". We want to mix with the typos who are different.

No, attraction per se is NOT a valid argument for the degenerate act of miscegenation. You need to remember that many people become attracted to things they shouldn't breed with. Take for example homosexuals. They are attracted to each other but they of course were not meant to actually breed with each other. Likewise, I find some foreign races to be very attractive but that doesn't mean to say I am actually meant to breed with them. I also find various animals (such as cute-as-a-button little toy dogs) sexually attractive too, but that does not mean to say I am actually meant to breed with them. This is why Allah gave us a thing called intelligence, reason and the ability to restrain ourselves from deviant actions based on desires for living beings outside of our respective races.

[Karl]

Ok

Well, i can roll with that.

Anyway, to reiterate where we are at.

You have nothing against other races, but you are proud of your own race. May I ask Why? I mean, Germanic people's have a very dark stain on their skin don't they? The holocaust is from your race, right?

I'm sure you realize I can form a list of all the reasons one cannot be proud of Caucasian's but in fairness - I want to know how a man can have pride in being Caucasian - or as you like to call it - Germanic.

So I'm willing to give you a chance to justify this idea that there is pride to be had in being "Germanic / Caucasian".

God bless,

Scimi

I reject the outmoded term "Caucasian". It is not the same as Germanic. Many of the races from the Caucasus region are not even Germanic at all. It was not my race and my race alone which tried to fight off Jewish takeover of Europe back in WWII. Rather, it was a collective of Germanic races who tried to stop Jews destroying our cultures and destroying our races. Why you as a Muslim should have any concern for Jews I also find odd. The Quran afterall says that the Jews are a cursed race. Allah works in mysterious ways and the so called "holocaust" may have been part of his intention. Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job".

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;

It was not my race and my race alone which tried to fight off Jewish takeover of Europe back in WWII. Rather, it was a collective of Germanic races who tried to stop Jews destroying our cultures and destroying our races.

Easy to do, you just unite a bunch of people who would normally be enemies, to fight a common enemy.

Why you as a Muslim should have any concern for Jews I also find odd.

Because he has a concern for mankind.

Allah works in mysterious ways and the so called "holocaust" may have been part of his intention. Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job".

This is a dangerous view to hold, if you are happy for one group of people to exterminate another group. At this moment in time, the Muslims are standing in for the Jews, they are seemingly being blamed for all the world problems. Over the next few decades, the next holocaust could be directed against Muslims. People who share your strong views about ethnic cleansing, could gang up against you.

The thought of this horrifies me, we are all created by the same God, the same God hears all our prayers. We have a duty to care for all of God's creation, and that has to mean caring for each other despite our very obvious differences.

In the spirit of praying to a just, merciful and forgiving God.

Eric

[sister herb]

"collective of germanic races whose tried to stop Jews to destroy our culture and race"

This sounds very familiar to me and very scary. Let´s listen what neo-nazis today may say in Europe (and also in Germany):

"We have to keep Germanic race clean and pure and stop those Muslims whose try to destroy our culture and race."

Some similarity huh? Same ideology, same methods but new enemy - at this time this enemy is Muslim population in Europe, not Jews any more. Simply to say: we.

[YahyaAE]

So you found two examples in your life? And you think this is enough to paint all Muslims as racist? or the majority?

Please show me how you justify your opinion.

Salaams! First I didn't say all, or even the majority are racist, but that it is a serious issue in our community... Secondly, there are countless examples of racist attitudes from people within our community. I am not going to list them all here, as two examples are sufficient to illustrate the point that I am making.

The main thing which inspired me to start this thread was seeing a video on YouTube about a young black convert in the UK who, although believing in the Oneness of Allah, felt totally isolated from the rest of the community because of the casual racism he experienced from them. They were mainly south Asian, and he is originally black Caribbean. It broke him down so much, he wanted to leave the religion. Alhumdillah he didn't leave after this young Kurdish convert (I think he was raised as a Yazidi before, not sure) had to counsel him to stay strong. But I have heard similar stories over the years from converts from different races. This is an embarrassment for us as Muslims, and we will be taken into account for this on the Last Day.

[Karl]

Greetings and peace be with you, Eric

This is a dangerous view to hold, if you are happy for one group of people to exterminate another group. At this moment in time, the Muslims are standing in for the Jews, they are seemingly being blamed for all the world problems. Over the next few decades, the next holocaust could be directed against Muslims. People who share your strong views about ethnic cleansing, could gang up against you.

This is where I myself would be actually safe though. They wouldn't zone in on me because I am at least racially Germanic, and furthermore have never openly revealed to anyone outside of the internet that I converted to Islam about 15 years ago. I keep religion to myself and consider it a private thing.

It is true that in time not only Muslims but also Asians and Africans living in the West might become victims of genocide. I'm not sure if Jews may end up being lumped in as well with that group (as Jews themselves are also Asian anyway). It has afterall been primarily the Jews who have been responsible in the first place for encouraging and enabling mass immigration from Asia. White nationalists widely see Jews as a malicious hateful force and they are aware that Jews regard whites as their "worst enemy". This cannot be dismissed as "paranoid delusion" either as some Jews have even admitted these things! If a white nationalist takeover miraculously develops in future, it is highly likely that Jews will be targets as they will be seen as the main culprits behind the mass immigration from Asia and Africa (which is seen as nothing but a weapon against them), not to mention Cultural Marxism, feminism and the destruction of families, the encouragement of homosexuality and miscegenation, regicide, the destruction of sovereign nations, their replacements being "unions", and ultimately, world conquest, and a demonic One World Government to be imposed, ruled and administered by the Jews. All us goyim are to be their slaves.

[Karl]

"collective of germanic races whose tried to stop Jews to destroy our culture and race"

This sounds very familiar to me and very scary. Let´s listen what neo-nazis today may say in Europe (and also in Germany):

"We have to keep Germanic race clean and pure and stop those Muslims whose try to destroy our culture and race."

Some similarity huh? Same ideology, same methods but new enemy - at this time this enemy is Muslim population in Europe, not Jews any more. Simply to say: we.

The thing is, ALL white nationalists today, regardless of their varying stripes and factions, regard JEWS to be the biggest enemy of all. In fact, some white nationalists and neo-Nazis TODAY regard Jews as a far more diabolical threat to Europe than the Nazis saw the Jews as a threat 80 odd years ago! This is probably because of the huge amount of damage Jews have caused post WWII compared what actual damage they had caused by the 1930s and 40s. At least back then Jews had not carried out anywhere as much malicious damage as what they said they would do (as was for example explained in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion). It is absurd to call the protocols a "fraud" because simple fact is, everything predicted in it ARE eventuating! If it wasn't a fraud then none of those things would have happened.

[Karl]

Salaams! First I didn't say all, or even the majority are racist, but that it is a serious issue in our community... Secondly, there are countless examples of racist attitudes from people within our community. I am not going to list them all here, as two examples are sufficient to illustrate the point that I am making.

The main thing which inspired me to start this thread was seeing a video on YouTube about a young black convert in the UK who, although believing in the Oneness of Allah, felt totally isolated from the rest of the community because of the casual racism he experienced from them. They were mainly south Asian, and he is originally black Caribbean. It broke him down so much, he wanted to leave the religion. Alhumdillah he didn't leave after this young Kurdish convert (I think he was raised as a Yazidi before, not sure) had to counsel him to stay strong. But I have heard similar stories over the years from converts from different races. This is an embarrassment for us as Muslims, and we will be taken into account for this on the Last Day.

So were these South Asians being racist towards the negro because he was of a different race per se to them or was it only because he was African in particular? It baffles me when I see South Asians say racist stuff towards Africans and Australian aborigines over their "black skin". It always makes me laugh because that is just the pot calling the kettle black! Indians don't seem to realize that to us whites Indians, Africans, Australian Aborigines, Papua New Guineans etc are bundled together as "the blacks". To my utter dismay, I have seen Indians call negroes "n*ggers", yet I wonder how many Indians are aware than many whites call Indians "curry n*ggers"? Back in the days of the British Raj the British used to commonly call Indians "blacks". And in fact some South Asian races are even DARKER than some African races!... so South Asians really need to think twice when racially attacking negroes for their dark skin!

[sister herb]

The claiming like this one: "Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job" shows the lack of understanding of the history.

If Jews could live peacefully in Europe and in Russia, they wouldn´t have such big interest to move to Palestine but now many felt they have to because their all life and future was in great danger because of the racism and nazism in Europe. They also couldn´t be sure that after Hitler, some new lunatic wouldn´t start hate campaing against them again.

Without Hitler and his race theories and hate crimes against Jews, Palestine would to be free today. This isn´t only my own opinion but I have heard it also from many Palestinians. To them "Adolph made really miserable job and Palestinians would to be much happier without him".

[Scimitar]

YahyaE - isolated examples which do not reflect the norm are not "reflective of a norm" so there you have it.

[Scimitar]

I reject the outmoded term "Caucasian".

That's up to you.

The sons of Noah pbuh - Ham, Shem and Japheth were responsible for repopulating the earth after the great flood.

Ham settled what we know today as Egypt - progenitor of the returning African gene. Result - black skinned humans

Shem settled the Middle East - progenitor of the returning middle eastern gene. Result - olive skinned humans

Japheth settled below the Caucasian mountains - progenitor of the returning Caucasian race. Result - white skinned humans

You can call yourself whatever you like mate - you're caucasian whether you like it or not.

Scimi

[SilentSacrifice]

The white people who say that white skin is better looking are meaning it from their own perspective. They know however that in the bigger scheme of things other races will find brown or black skin attractive. If I say that "icecream tastes better than broccoli" it doesn't mean to say that I believe it to be some sort of universal truth, but rather such a statement is merely expressing my own taste.

I agree, not all Germanics look the same. This is because there are many different races of Germanics, with differing morphologies, but there are common features that go across all Germanic races, that being our cold raptorial blue eyes and sturdy built frames. You are equally correct that not all South Asians look the same too, some in fact look very different. This is because there are many different races inhabiting South Asia, which is part of the basis why the caste system came into being there.

You are wrong to conclude that I forbid my children to miscegenate based merely on skin colour . Rather, it is race itself, not mere skin colour. Skin colour is just the amount of melanin one has and the more sun there is the more melanin one makes. If I went and lived in tropical Asia I am of course going to go dark. I will nonetheless still stand out like a sore toe to the natives living there because of my much bigger Germanic size, strong sturdy morphology and long bulky face. This is why many Asians (including Afghans) refer to us Germanic races as "melon heads", lol.

Na, not always. The ones who are against "mixing" with other races, it's because they think they're superior and look down on other races. There's no other reason why they would oppose inter-racial marriages. It's racism.

So what's your criteria? Your son or daughter has to marry someone with white skin and blue eyes?

Well however you define it, it still means you'd be "forbidding" them something God has allowed. It's something we didn't choose to have.. or be. Like eye colour and hair colour. It doesn't make anyone more special than another and it doesn't make one's importance higher than another's.

[anatolian]

at least the UAE aren't as racist as guys like Tamerlane, who went through South Asia actually SLAUGHTERING the inhabitants. A bit of discrimination here and there in the work place on the other hand is trivial by comparison.

Tamerlane was just another lunatic in history like Hitler. I don't venerate him. I venerate people having conscience only. Jahannam is for the cruels.

[Karl]

@Scimitar What about the yellow East Asians and American Red Indians, what about them?

[Karl]

The claiming like this one: "Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job" shows the lack of understanding of the history.

If Jews could live peacefully in Europe and in Russia, they wouldn´t have such big interest to move to Palestine but now many felt they have to because their all life and future was in great danger because of the racism and nazism in Europe. They also couldn´t be sure that after Hitler, some new lunatic wouldn´t start hate campaing against them again.

Without Hitler and his race theories and hate crimes against Jews, Palestine would to be free today. This isn´t only my own opinion but I have heard it also from many Palestinians. To them "Adolph made really miserable job and Palestinians would to be much happier without him".

Without Adolph the whole world would be under the British Empire by now. Things would be far worse for the Arab world as the Empire would take all the oil and leave the natives poor. Might makes right and when the mighty fight each other it liberates the weak, for a while at least. So don't worry about the Palestinians because when the powers fight each other again they will be liberated with freedom or death. Hopefully freedom.

[Karl]

Na, not always. The ones who are against "mixing" with other races, it's because they think they're superior and look down on other races. There's no other reason why they would oppose inter-racial marriages. It's racism.

So what's your criteria? Your son or daughter has to marry someone with white skin and blue eyes?

Well however you define it, it still means you'd be "forbidding" them something God has allowed. It's something we didn't choose to have.. or be. Like eye colour and hair colour. It doesn't make anyone more special than another and it doesn't make one's importance higher than another's.

I think people that talk like you have just got some kind of inferiority complex. Why do you want to screw up God's work by mixing races for? I love the diversity of races and cultures just like I love fish and chips and ice cream and custard, but I don't mix them up in the same bowl for dinner. There are places in the world where you have to get a permit to see the natives in a village and you are not allowed to leave any technology behind and you sure can't breed with them. Would that be your catch cry of "Racist!"?

What's my criteria for who my sons and daughters marry? Well, imagine the people that used to be on the Nazi propaganda posters of the 1930s and 40s. That's what I want my children to breed with. So yes, blue eyes and white-pink skin, but most important of all: BIG, STURDY, ATHLETIC AND STRONG and preferably TALL as well. Just because I want my offspring to breed with that kind of phenotype does NOT mean to say that I think races that are not of that phenotype are therefore "inferior". They are DIFFERENT, yes, but that doesn't imply that they are therefore INFERIOR under God. Because I don't want to breed with a different race (and particularly a race that is physically incompatible with mine) doesn't mean I think my race is "superior". Rather so, I do not want that other race to introduce aspects that I regard as disadvantageous or even highly detrimental. For example, if my offspring hybridized with very diminutive willowy puny pretty race that would then threaten the big strong sturdy build of my race. Some races also have a tendency towards certain diseases, and given that I do not want my genetic line to become prone to those particular diseases it is only logical that I would not want my offspring to hybridize with that.

And of course my aversion to miscegenation, while it is a priority to protect MY race, I am ALSO trying to protect the phenotypes of the races I don't want to breed with. I think the pretty little diminutive brown races with big brown eyes are extremely cute, BUT those of *MY* race don't actually want to turn ourselves INTO that. Instead, I want these pretty foreign races to be able to STAY the way they are, in their already perfect untainted form, rather than mixing with us big heavy-set Northern barbaric brutes. This is why I keep on saying that hybridizing these completely incompatible traits is evil and insane. The result is not an aesthetic "blend", but rather, it completely destroys both physical sides entirely and the offspring just look like ugly out of proportioned freaks. It's analogous to throwing ice-cream into a frying pan of omelette, or pouring several cans of beautiful paints into one pale to make a ghastly single colour, or knocking half the fine and elegant Taj Mahal down and rebuilding it by fusing it in the dark towering Gothic style of the Cologne cathedral. No one in their right mind does these things!

[YahyaAE]

Its not the norm, but its a serious enough issue to be considered an illness in our community and for The Prophet to address it several times. And its more common than we would like to admit.

YahyaE - isolated examples which do not reflect the norm are not "reflective of a norm" so there you have it.

[Scimitar]

@Scimitar What about the yellow East Asians and American Red Indians, what about them?

Are you asking where they fit in the table of nations? :D

Seriously?

Chinese have a mix from Ham and Yafith's lineage - check out ancient Chinese history dating before Shi Huang Ti, waaaaaaaay before and you will see where this "coupling" happened.

Haplogroup R1a probably branched off from R1* during or soon after the Last Glacial Maxium. Little is know for certain about its place of origin. Some think it might have originated in the Balkans or around Pakistan and Northwest India, due to the greater genetic diversity found in these regions. The diversity can be explained by other factors though. The Balkans have been subject to 5000 years of migrations from the Eurasian Steppes, each bringing new varieties of R1a. South Asia has had a much bigger population than any other parts of the world (occasionally equalled by China) for at least 10,000 years, and larger population bring about more genetic diversity. The most likely place of origin of R1a is Central Asia or southern Russia/Siberia.

Sauce

As for the Native Americans? Also the same lineage (R1a) - they settled the Americas through the Bering Strait which was once a land bridge made of ice. Research it.

This is ethnography mate, it's a science which correlates with the table of nations.

Racism is outdated, outmoded and unjustified.

You are making haraam for your chldren what the Allah and HIS Prophet pbuh made halal - this removes you from the fold of Islam according to Islam.

You tread a very fine line.

Scimi

[Scimitar]

Its not the norm, but its a serious enough issue to be considered an illness in our community and for The Prophet to address it several times. And its more common than we would like to admit.

Then why did you cite such erroneous examples to make your point? I found that weak bro.

Scimi

[Futuwwa]

No, they were Germanic. Celts too are generally regarded as Germanic as well. As for Normandy, that has historically been a Germanic stronghold. And Russia, well there's the whole of WHITE Russia to begin with!

Celts aren't Germanic. Pre-Viking Normandy (whatever it was called at the time) was only Germanic as far as the Franks were, who miscegenated with and assimilated a large Latinized Gallic population. Russia's white population was entirely Slavic, so not Germanic.

Now you're just digging deeper by denying basic historical facts that everyone recognizes but you. That's a way to avoid having to admit losing a debate, I suppose, keep denying everything until no common understanding of reality exists and debate is impossible.

[anatolian]

and Asian genes.

Salam. Do you have tartar ancestors?

[sister herb]

I don´t have accurate information but one of my anchestor was from Kazakhstan, about some hundred years ago. So those Asian genes might be already quite low at this time. But when I have traveled in the Middle East, local people there have asked if I am the Central Asian origin. :uuh:

[anatolian]

I don´t have accurate information but one of my anchestor was from Kazakhstan, about some hundred years ago. So those Asian genes might be already quite low at this time. But when I have traveled in the Middle East, local people there have asked if I am the Central Asian origin. :uuh:

Possible. Kazaks are a Turkic people and Turkic genes are dominant most of the time. Test is easy. Check the back of your head if you have this small bulge called "Tuberculum Turcum". If you have it this shows you have at least one Turkic ancestor.

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[sister herb]

And now every members sit behind of their screens, touching their head, thinking if there is a bump, bulge or perhaps a ridge on their skull.

:giggling:

[anatolian]

Waiting for your answer :)

[sister herb]

Well, there is something what might be kind of bulge. :p: Maybe I am partly turkic then.

[anatolian]

Haha. Welcome to club. You are a Turk

[Serinity]

:salam:

Well, I come from the Balkans, I have a kind of bulge too, I think. I think it is normal. I look nowhere near Turkish tho (I have brown hair but grey /"blue" eyes) lol.

How do you guys even know who your ancestors are? I dont know my grand grand pa's. (except maybe his name)
Allahu alam.

[YahyaAE]

Everyone knows it happens, and these were the two most recent examples I have come across. Should I list every single occurrence to make the point, or shall we pretend that its not an issue? Thats a rhetorical question. Just because we may not personally experience it directed at us, doesnt mean it doesnt happen enough to be taken seriously. If you want, I can list every example I have come across regarding the topic. And I am from the Middle East, and grew up in the UK, so I can write you an essay, complete with more examples and citations if you want :-)

[sister herb]

:salam:

Well, I come from the Balkans, I have a kind of bulge too, I think. I think it is normal. I look nowhere near Turkish tho (I have brown hair but grey /"blue" eyes) lol.

How do you guys even know who your ancestors are? I dont know my grand grand pa's. (except maybe his name)
Allahu alam.

Genealogy is a popular hobby in here. People search old documents and registers and looking for information about their anchestors.

[SilentSacrifice]

I think people that talk like you have just got some kind of inferiority complex. Why do you want to screw up God's work by mixing races for? I love the diversity of races and cultures just like I love fish and chips and ice cream and custard, but I don't mix them up in the same bowl for dinner. There are places in the world where you have to get a permit to see the natives in a village and you are not allowed to leave any technology behind and you sure can't breed with them. Would that be your catch cry of "Racist!"?

What's my criteria for who my sons and daughters marry? Well, imagine the people that used to be on the Nazi propaganda posters of the 1930s and 40s. That's what I want my children to breed with. So yes, blue eyes and white-pink skin, but most important of all: BIG, STURDY, ATHLETIC AND STRONG and preferably TALL as well. Just because I want my offspring to breed with that kind of phenotype does NOT mean to say that I think races that are not of that phenotype are therefore "inferior". They are DIFFERENT, yes, but that doesn't imply that they are therefore INFERIOR under God. Because I don't want to breed with a different race (and particularly a race that is physically incompatible with mine) doesn't mean I think my race is "superior". Rather so, I do not want that other race to introduce aspects that I regard as disadvantageous or even highly detrimental. For example, if my offspring hybridized with very diminutive willowy puny pretty race that would then threaten the big strong sturdy build of my race. Some races also have a tendency towards certain diseases, and given that I do not want my genetic line to become prone to those particular diseases it is only logical that I would not want my offspring to hybridize with that.

And of course my aversion to miscegenation, while it is a priority to protect MY race, I am ALSO trying to protect the phenotypes of the races I don't want to breed with. I think the pretty little diminutive brown races with big brown eyes are extremely cute, BUT those of *MY* race don't actually want to turn ourselves INTO that. Instead, I want these pretty foreign races to be able to STAY the way they are, in their already perfect untainted form, rather than mixing with us big heavy-set Northern barbaric brutes. This is why I keep on saying that hybridizing these completely incompatible traits is evil and insane. The result is not an aesthetic "blend", but rather, it completely destroys both physical sides entirely and the offspring just look like ugly out of proportioned freaks. It's analogous to throwing ice-cream into a frying pan of omelette, or pouring several cans of beautiful paints into one pale to make a ghastly single colour, or knocking half the fine and elegant Taj Mahal down and rebuilding it by fusing it in the dark towering Gothic style of the Cologne cathedral. No one in their right mind does these things!

pretty little diminutive brown races with big brown eyes are extremely cute,

What a generalisation. Have you seen some strong Asian and African men and women? You might look "puny" and "diminutive" to them. Stop generalizing.


You have issues. I didn't know there were Muslims who thought this way.
.. Actually.. this isn't that much of a surprise considering the existence of racist Muslims. I just haven't spoken to a Muslim who believes in "white genocide" (which is something that doesn't exist by the way).

You be proud of your inherited "BIG, STURDY, ATHLETIC AND STRONG and TALL build", "blue raptorial eyes" (thought maybe you said reptilian). It doesn't make you more special than anyone from any other race or even from your own race. It also does not at all mean that your race deserves some special kind of preservation.

As I said before, being from one "race" doesn't mean every single person from that race looks the same. Ignorance. What if your "offspring" wants to marry a "diminutive willowy puny pretty" GERMANIC person?


Once again, if God allows it, you are no one to stop it.

[Karl]

Celts aren't Germanic. Pre-Viking Normandy (whatever it was called at the time) was only Germanic as far as the Franks were, who miscegenated with and assimilated a large Latinized Gallic population. Russia's white population was entirely Slavic, so not Germanic.

Now you're just digging deeper by denying basic historical facts that everyone recognizes but you. That's a way to avoid having to admit losing a debate, I suppose, keep denying everything until no common understanding of reality exists and debate is impossible.

The term "Germanic" is a word that was coined by the Romans, not the Germanic races themselves. The Romans referred to the wilderness lands to the north of Italy "Limes Germanicus". They called the Celts Gauls, but the Celts themselves referred to themselves as Celts. They are considered at least related to the Germanics, a bit shorter but still sturdy built and hard set barbaric features like Germanics, and also a propensity for war and violence, and were historically part of the Germanic alliances. Gauls were particularly known for their viciousness. As for Russia, while Slavs are the majority, Germanics have nonetheless been there for a very long time. The Vikings set up cities there including Novgorod and spread out all over the place in Russia and Ukraine, dominating Kiev from the mid 9th century.

[Karl]

What a generalisation. Have you seen some strong Asian and African men and women? You might look "puny" and "diminutive" to them. Stop generalizing.

I never meant to imply that there is no Asian race in existence that is not as big and strong and sturdy as mine. There are a small minority of Asiatic races that come close, especially from places such as central Asia. And of course many African races too would match my size, especially Sub-Saharan.

You have issues. I didn't know there were Muslims who thought this way.
.. Actually.. this isn't that much of a surprise considering the existence of racist Muslims. I just haven't spoken to a Muslim who believes in "white genocide" (which is something that doesn't exist by the way).

You are wrong. It is probably true that most Muslims aren't aware of the Jewish plan for white genocide. I have already given you evidence for this too including the Rabbi Rabbinovich speech about prohibiting Germanic males breeding with Germanic females. The evidence lies everywhere, from the fanatical and incessant pro-race-mixing propaganda the Jews are pushing in Hollywood and mainstream media, through to many prominent figures such as George Soros, Nikolas Sarkozy and many many others who call for Germanics to hybridize with Asiatic and African immigrants. This is WHY many white people including myself have concluded that the raison d'être for mass immigration flooding into Europe from Asia and Africa is for the purpose of white genocide. You need to do some research of your own on this. If you are open minded you WILL see the truth.

You be proud of your inherited "BIG, STURDY, ATHLETIC AND STRONG and TALL build", "blue raptorial eyes" (thought maybe you said reptilian). It doesn't make you more special than anyone from any other race or even from your own race. It also does not at all mean that your race deserves some special kind of preservation.

My race doesn't deserve some special kind of preservation, no, but it nonetheless deserves preservation. Just because my race deserves preservation doesn't however mean to say that I think my race deserves any more preservation than yours. Your race deserves to be preserved just as much as mine. This is why I despair any time I hear about any race or species of organism that is said to be endangered or on the brink of extinction. It is of utmost importance to preserve the existence of all living creatures that Allah created.

As I said before, being from one "race" doesn't mean every single person from that race looks the same. Ignorance.

Of course all members of a same race don't look the "same" if you are meaning identical. Of COURSE they don't look identical. BUT they should be similar enough in size and morphology to have resemblance insofar that any member of the same race could be mistaken for a brother, sister, mother, father, uncle. aunty etc.

What if your "offspring" wants to marry a "diminutive willowy puny pretty" GERMANIC person?

Not even possible anyway even if I allowed it. Germanics by definition are NOT diminutive willowy puny pretty small boned etc. We are in stark contrast well known for our big sturdy athletic built, generally tall, blue eyed, and naturally pink-white skinned (although we can go darker skin in summer or if on holiday in the tropics).

Once again, if God allows it, you are no one to stop it.

Wrong. Just because something is considered "permitted" in Islam does NOT mean to say that different families can't forbid certain things. The Quran does not say that broccoli cannot be eaten. Nonetheless, that in itself can't stop me as the father and ruler of my household to forbid broccoli being eaten in my house. Same goes with who I allow my offspring to marry. You or anyone else will not stop me forbidding my offspring from marrying into a different race, PERIOD. The Quran might not say that miscegenation is forbidden, but it ALSO doesn't demand that races should not stay pure either!

[cinnamonrolls1]

Yep, sadly the Ummah is racist. Look at how Arabs treat Black muslims or South Asian muslims. Before anyone accuses me of bashing on Arabs i am Arab myself. It needs to change now, racism has no place in Islam

[cinnamonrolls1]

I never meant to imply that there is no Asian race in existence that is not as big and strong and sturdy as mine. There are a small minority of Asiatic races that come close, especially from places such as central Asia. And of course many African races too would match my size, especially Sub-Saharan.




You are wrong. It is probably true that most Muslims aren't aware of the Jewish plan for white genocide. I have already given you evidence for this too including the Rabbi Rabbinovich speech about prohibiting Germanic males breeding with Germanic females. The evidence lies everywhere, from the fanatical and incessant pro-race-mixing propaganda the Jews are pushing in Hollywood and mainstream media, through to many prominent figures such as George Soros, Nikolas Sarkozy and many many others who call for Germanics to hybridize with Asiatic and African immigrants. This is WHY many white people including myself have concluded that the raison d'être for mass immigration flooding into Europe from Asia and Africa is for the purpose of white genocide. You need to do some research of your own on this. If you are open minded you WILL see the truth.



My race doesn't deserve some special kind of preservation, no, but it nonetheless deserves preservation. Just because my race deserves preservation doesn't however mean to say that I think my race deserves any more preservation than yours. Your race deserves to be preserved just as much as mine. This is why I despair any time I hear about any race or species of organism that is said to be endangered or on the brink of extinction. It is of utmost importance to preserve the existence of all living creatures that Allah created.



Of course all members of a same race don't look the "same" if you are meaning identical. Of COURSE they don't look identical. BUT they should be similar enough in size and morphology to have resemblance insofar that any member of the same race could be mistaken for a brother, sister, mother, father, uncle. aunty etc.



Not even possible anyway even if I allowed it. Germanics by definition are NOT diminutive willowy puny pretty small boned etc. We are in stark contrast well known for our big sturdy athletic built, generally tall, blue eyed, and naturally pink-white skinned (although we can go darker skin in summer or if on holiday in the tropics).




Wrong. Just because something is considered "permitted" in Islam does NOT mean to say that different families can't forbid certain things. The Quran does not say that broccoli cannot be eaten. Nonetheless, that in itself can't stop me as the father and ruler of my household to forbid broccoli being eaten in my house. Same goes with who I allow my offspring to marry. You or anyone else will not stop me forbidding my offspring from marrying into a different race, PERIOD. The Quran might not say that miscegenation is forbidden, but it ALSO doesn't demand that races should not stay pure either!

Do you have an issue or something with interracial marriage? Cos if so then, thats a form of racism "keeping the race pure". Remember all that matters is that the person is muslim, and that racism in not allowed in Islam. Period.

[cinnamonrolls1]

Do you have an issue or something with interracial marriage? Cos if so then, thats a form of racism "keeping the race pure". Remember all that matters is that the person is muslim, and that racism in not allowed in Islam. Period.

Also, you claim that only germanic folk are strong and muscular or whatever? Stop generalising. Your being a complete ahole. Alhamdulilah that there are people who don't think like you and Alhamdulilah my family taught me there is nothing wrong with marrying interacially

[fromelsewhere]

^^^ No comment necessary here. :hiding:

[cinnamonrolls1]

and "Chinese" The words your looking for is an Asian woman. And the word negro isnt correct to use at all.

Did the Prophet (PBUH) marry outside his race? Did he marry a European and a Negro and a Chinese etc. Why not? Was he a "racist"? No he was just a proud Arab who wanted to have Arab children. I am trying to wake people up to the fact that if you mix race you are destroying yourself genetically, culturally and everything and that is REAL RACISM.

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Did the Prophet (PBUH) marry outside his race? Did he marry a European and a Negro and a Chinese etc. Why not? Was he a "racist"? No he was just a proud Arab who wanted to have Arab children. I am trying to wake people up to the fact that if you mix race you are destroying yourself genetically, culturally and everything and that is REAL RACISM.

Firstly, to associate the prophet with pride and arrogance as you are demonstrating here especially when it comes down to race, is well, slander--one of it's worst forms considering you are speaking about the beloved prophet pbuh. Good job! here's a slow clap for you.
*clap......
...clap..............................
clap*

Secondly, we do not KNOW the exact color of the women he married. We have never seen them. The descriptions of them are few because it was no one's business to eye up the prophet's women and make mention of how they looked. And as far as I know, he spent the majority of his life in Arabia, so there was not that much diversity to begin with. Not only that, but he wasn't there marrying women based on his hawaa (desires). He could have very well had a dark skinned wife! THere was never a mention of the type of woman he was physically attracted to or preferred.

And your last statement...looool were you born with a low genetic iq or did that develop with your lack of tolerance for others? Your skin color, your culture, your genetics will all shrivel up and DIE..you know why?? Because they mean nothing for you in the end. They will not bring you any benefit in your worship and you will not be asked about them in the grave. So whether you like it or not, you ARE a racist. The moment you think you are far superior to anyone else and will accept nothing different than what you look like because you perceive them as less, you become a racist. They are not less, they are different. You have a right to have a preference, but to be so strict that the mindset has to trickle into your offspring makes you a racist. To be so adamant about how your offsprings' children and spouses should look like is racist. The sad thing is you do not see it, so essentially..you are a blind racist.

May Allah guide you ameen

[cinnamonrolls1]

Assalamu Alaikum,



Firstly, to associate the prophet with pride and arrogance as you are demonstrating here especially when it comes down to race, is well, slander--one of it's worst forms considering you are speaking about the beloved prophet pbuh. Good job! here's a slow clap for you.
*clap......
...clap..............................
clap*

Secondly, we do not KNOW the exact color of the women he married. We have never seen them. The descriptions of them are few because it was no one's business to eye up the prophet's women and make mention of how they looked. And as far as I know, he spent the majority of his life in Arabia, so there was not that much diversity to begin with. Not only that, but he wasn't there marrying women based on his hawaa (desires). He could have very well had a dark skinned wife! THere was never a mention of the type of woman he was physically attracted to or preferred.

And your last statement...looool were you born with a low genetic iq or did that develop with your lack of tolerance for others? Your skin color, your culture, your genetics will all shrivel up and DIE..you know why?? Because they mean nothing for you in the end. They will not bring you any benefit in your worship and you will not be asked about them in the grave. So whether you like it or not, you ARE a racist. The moment you think you are far superior to anyone else and will accept nothing different than what you look like because you perceive them as less, you become a racist. They are not less, they are different. You have a right to have a preference, but to be so strict that the mindset has to trickle into your offspring makes you a racist. To be so adamant about how your offsprings' children and spouses should look like is racist. The sad thing is you do not see it, so essentially..you are a blind racist.

May Allah guide you ameen

Ya Allah, i actually cant with that guy. Im sorry but i cant. Alhamdullilah people like you exist. May Allah help him, and well done on your comment,100%agree.

[MisterK]

Mixing races tends to add variation to the gene pool of a community/population, and more variation actually seems to help the fitness and survival of a species. Increased fitness is the very opposite of, as was said, destroying one's genetics. There is a reason inbreeding is bad and leads to more disorders and disease states. That's not to say white marrying white, and so own, is inherently the same as inbreeding, just pointing out the extreme end of what happens when people keep things, *ahem,* "pure."

[Salafiyah]

Racism is haram, just like nationalism, patriotism and tribalism.

[Karl]

Secondly, we do not KNOW the exact color of the women he married. We have never seen them. The descriptions of them are few because it was no one's business to eye up the prophet's women and make mention of how they looked. And as far as I know, he spent the majority of his life in Arabia, so there was not that much diversity to begin with. Not only that, but he wasn't there marrying women based on his hawaa (desires). He could have very well had a dark skinned wife! THere was never a mention of the type of woman he was physically attracted to or preferred.

I always find it humorous when liberals such as yourself for the sake of political correctness avoid the term RACE, and substitute it with "ethnicity" or "skin colour". I'm NOT talking about "skin colour" I am talking about RACE. Skin colour is a superfluous matter as even myself can go dark skinned if I were to live in a hot sunny climate.

And your last statement...looool were you born with a low genetic iq or did that develop with your lack of tolerance for others? Your skin color, your culture, your genetics will all shrivel up and DIE..you know why?? Because they mean nothing for you in the end.

Wrong. My race and my genetics won't mean anything to me personally once I'm dead, of course, BUT they will mean something for the long lasting survival of my own race as a whole. That's all that matters. This however has nothing to do with being "intolerant" of different races though (unless of course they initiate intolerance towards my race and attempt to meddle in the internal affairs of my race).

The moment you think you are far superior to anyone else and will accept nothing different than what you look like because you perceive them as less, you become a racist. They are not less, they are different.

You come across as pretty dumb to me, because I don't know how many times I've already had to say here in this thread as well as others that while I will not tolerate my offspring miscegenating, this in itself does NOT mean to say that I regard different races to myself as "inferior" under Allah. I have been trying to say over and over again that I AGREE with you in this regard! Different races to mine are not less, they are different, I fully AGREE. There is however no doubt that in various regards I regard my race superior to many Asiatic races....for example, my race is much bigger and stronger and athletic than a lot of foreign races, and we also are grown young adults by the age of 12 or so (as opposed to many Asiatic races that take TWICE as long as that). Those of my race know that things like this DO give us a superior advantage over most Asiatic races. This does NOT however mean though that I regard any other species/races to be any lesser to my race in the bigger scheme of things, under God. In fact, I have often stated that I regard myself to be no more superior and no more important than even an insect.

You have a right to have a preference, but to be so strict that the mindset has to trickle into your offspring makes you a racist. To be so adamant about how your offsprings' children and spouses should look like is racist. The sad thing is you do not see it, so essentially..you are a blind racist.

Well if wanting to remain anti-miscegenationist is "racist" then I guess I can say I wear "proud racist" like a badge. Come to think of it, now that you are adamant that I am a "racist" them maybe I should go and buy one of those "proud racist" t-shirts? ;D

[Karl]

Mixing races tends to add variation to the gene pool of a community/population, and more variation actually seems to help the fitness and survival of a species. Increased fitness is the very opposite of, as was said, destroying one's genetics. There is a reason inbreeding is bad and leads to more disorders and disease states. That's not to say white marrying white, and so own, is inherently the same as inbreeding, just pointing out the extreme end of what happens when people keep things, *ahem,* "pure."

Depends on whether you want to believe the rationale of the widely promulgated Jewish-instigated pro-race mixing "studies". There have been many other studies though which have shown completely opposite conclusions, conclusions which have shown that race mixing can lead to a whole raft of medical diseases and various degenerate conditions. There can be many other reasons too, including incompatibility in the overall physical SIZE of races. For example, if I was to hypothetically miscegenate with a diminutive Asiatic female, there is a very high likelihood that the pregnancy would pose very dire risks for the baby and the mother herself. Because her "baby" would be MUCH bigger than the size of the baby she would have produced had she bred with a male of her own race (and therefore appropriate size), it would make if extremely difficult if not impossible for the baby to go through the pelvic canal, therefore requiring a caesarean section. And because the baby would be so big it would be also highly likely that a premature birth would occur, putting risk to the baby and also the mother herself. This is just one good reason of many WHY I need big GERMANIC woman (rather than a diminutive Asiatic) to breed with. Females of my own race actually have the PHYSICAL CAPABLITY!

As to your comment about "adding variety to gene pools" there is actually MORE than enough genetic variation WITHIN most races to ensure a healthy and thriving existence WITHOUT having to revert to the radical and degenerate behaviour of miscegenation.

If you say that I am being "racist" for forbidding miscegenation then obviously you would have no disgust if I were to say that I would like to try and breed with a sheep or a dog. If you would express disgust then you TOO are a racist!

[cinnamonrolls1]

why do you care so much about your who your kids would marry? i dont think that Germanic people are gonna die out because of your kids spouses?
seems like a bad attempt to cover up racism.

[*charisma*]

I always find it humorous when liberals such as yourself for the sake of political correctness avoid the term RACE, and substitute it with "ethnicity" or "skin colour". I'm NOT talking about "skin colour" I am talking about RACE. Skin colour is a superfluous matter as even myself can go dark skinned if I were to live in a hot sunny climate.

Yea I'm sure anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liberal, zionist, and whatever else you like to deflect your issues on. So "skin color" hit a nerve with you, yet you still failed to recognize that everything you're saying still cannot at all be supported by Islam.

Wrong. My race and my genetics won't mean anything to me personally once I'm dead, of course, BUT they will mean something for the long lasting survival of my own race as a whole. That's all that matters. This however has nothing to do with being "intolerant" of different races though (unless of course they initiate intolerance towards my race and attempt to meddle in the internal affairs of my race).

Umm...obviously they won't mean nothing to you once you're dead...because you'll be DEAD. It's the last thing you'll have to worry about.

WHen you prefer that your daughters remain unmarried than to marry someone outside of their race, what's that say?? That anyone of any other race is NOT WORTHY of being married to your family, that they are inferior for marriage. Whatever way you want to look at it, it still comes back to you putting race first before deen. Because "marriage" is not a race thing..its an religious commitment. In fact when it comes to marrying one's daughter, deen is the very FIRST thing one considers, NOT RACE. So if his deen is great, and your daughter is interested, and he has the ability to take care of her, you will still NOT accept just because his race is different. That's called racism. So while you may perceive him as "a great muslim" he's still never going to be good enough for your daughters in marriage, which makes him by default, inferior for marriage in your eyes based solely on race.

You come across as pretty dumb to me, because I don't know how many times I've already had to say here in this thread as well as others that while I will not tolerate my offspring miscegenating, this in itself does NOT mean to say that I regard different races to myself as "inferior" under Allah. I have been trying to say over and over again that I AGREE with you in this regard! Different races to mine are not less, they are different, I fully AGREE. There is however no doubt that in various regards I regard my race superior to many Asiatic races....for example, my race is much bigger and stronger and athletic than a lot of foreign races, and we also are grown young adults by the age of 12 or so (as opposed to many Asiatic races that take TWICE as long as that). Those of my race know that things like this DO give us a superior advantage over most Asiatic races. This does NOT however mean though that I regard any other species/races to be any lesser to my race in the bigger scheme of things, under God. In fact, I have often stated that I regard myself to be no more superior and no more important than even an insect.

MOST but not ALL. So if a different race wanted to marry your daughters who have "MOST" of the qualities that you want to preserve in your own race, will that be a problem?? Cuz then at that point you don't have an excuse, right? ALso what superior advantages are you speaking of??? What do you expect your race to continue doing for years and years and years to come where they require preserving their size and strength? Chop down trees and race down the river? ;D

Well if wanting to remain anti-miscegenationist is "racist" then I guess I can say I wear "proud racist" like a badge. Come to think of it, now that you are adamant that I am a "racist" them maybe I should go and buy one of those "proud racist" t-shirts?

I'm sure you can find your size. Most redneck racists are obese, dumb-dumbs so if THEY can find racist tees in their size, I'm sure a man who is so proud of his large germanic frame will be able to as well! :D

[cinnamonrolls1]

Did you really just compare having children with a human being of another race to having children with an ANIMAL.
Honestly that's enough info to tell me your a racist. No matter how much your gonna deny it, you are one. Deen is the sole factor to determine your kid's potential future spouse of. Allah swt knows whats gonna happen to us,what if He ordains your child to marry another muslim of a different race?
Honestly your whole argument is racism trying to be hidden with some fancy words or "logic".
And once again nationalism,racism etc are haram in Islam
May Allah swt guide you.

[fromelsewhere]

Depends on whether you want to believe the rationale of the widely promulgated Jewish-instigated pro-race mixing "studies". There have been many other studies though which have shown completely opposite conclusions, conclusions which have shown that race mixing can lead to a whole raft of medical diseases and various degenerate conditions. There can be many other reasons too, including incompatibility in the overall physical SIZE of races. For example, if I was to hypothetically miscegenate with a diminutive Asiatic female, there is a very high likelihood that the pregnancy would pose very dire risks for the baby and the mother herself. Because her "baby" would be MUCH bigger than the size of the baby she would have produced had she bred with a male of her own race (and therefore appropriate size), it would make if extremely difficult if not impossible for the baby to go through the pelvic canal, therefore requiring a caesarean section. And because the baby would be so big it would be also highly likely that a premature birth would occur, putting risk to the baby and also the mother herself. This is just one good reason of many WHY I need big GERMANIC woman (rather than a diminutive Asiatic) to breed with. Females of my own race actually have the PHYSICAL CAPABLITY!

As to your comment about "adding variety to gene pools" there is actually MORE than enough genetic variation WITHIN most races to ensure a healthy and thriving existence WITHOUT having to revert to the radical and degenerate behaviour of miscegenation.

If you say that I am being "racist" for forbidding miscegenation then obviously you would have no disgust if I were to say that I would like to try and breed with a sheep or a dog. If you would express disgust then you TOO are a racist!

Your comments always make me laugh so hard. I love your crazy pseudo-scientific theories that have no basis in science but just in your own backwards mind. "This is just one good reason of many WHY I need big GERMANIC woman (rather than a diminutive Asiatic) to breed with." ;D;D;D Wait, aren't you the guy who claims to have 2 younger, prepubescent daughters who are married? I sincerely hope you were joking when you wrote that, but even in joking, you are crazy :Emoji57:

And then the part where you compare marrying someone of a different race with "breeding" with a sheep or a dog... That is very special. You seem to be a special type of crazy bigoted extremist! I don't know your whole background story, but you seem to suffer from a serious superiority complex.

[Supernova]

I'm kinda tired of having to both defend against people who are racist against Arabs and Muslims from Islamaphobes online, who say we are terrorists, backwards, close-minded, racists etc, while on the other hand every so often having to hear Muslims with bigoted attitudes, that they don't even recognise as being bigoted.

For example, once at work a Pakistani guy said that he would never get married to a non-Pakistani, and he was totally oblivious to how racist his comment was, even when I spelt it out to him. He just couldn't get it. Plus he was telling this to me, a non-Pakistani, lol.

On another occasion (and I am soooo sorry for constantly mentioning nationalities in this topic, but I am just trying to illustrate a point) my Palestinian American colleague was talking about his wife (she's a Palestinian born and raised in Jordan) who made a casual comment about how shocked she was that their White European neighbour, I think a British or Aussie convert, could get married to a Somali girl. If I remember correctly she said something like 'How could they get married. He is so white and she is so black'. Both of us, who have grown up in the West were just baffled with the casual racism (and colorism) that easily slips out of the mouths of people around us, and from all nationalities. We are in the UAE btw.

Now I know for a fact, not all Muslims are racist, and I like to think that the majority of us are not (at least in my circle of friends), but we do seem to be diseased community with this issue, and no one ever likes to talk about it, without getting defensive.

Rant done.

Firstly the question is phrased wrongly as you cannot blanket the entire Ummah for racism.
A better way of asking it would have been "Does racism exist within the Ummah"

The short answer is yes.

Your annotation about the Pakistani example is also an incorrect (very common might I add) between Race Identity & National Identity.

Example: Asian is a race group. Pakistani is a Nationality. Before Pakistan was created what was the RACE of those people residing in Pakistan now? They were regarded Asian.

So your question and your example doesn't go hand in hand. The example you giving within your question is one of Nationality NOT Race. In the same way a persons RACE cannot be Nigerian. His nationality is Nigerian but his Race is African.

So the problem is actually worse than you think- not only has many Muslims become Racist, but also have become Nationalistic.
It has a place in Islam for identification, but thats where it starts and stops.

Hope i clarified the issue.

[MisterK]

Depends on whether you want to believe the rationale of the widely promulgated Jewish-instigated pro-race mixing "studies".

I totally expected a conspiratorial response of this sort, and it makes sense from a person touting Germanic heritage/traits and racial superiority. Go figure.

There have been many other studies though which have shown completely opposite conclusions, conclusions which have shown that race mixing can lead to a whole raft of medical diseases and various degenerate conditions.

Granted, it was a quick Google search, not in-depth research, but the only places I see with statements of studies or outcomes like this seem to be white supremacist websites. Not surprising.

There can be many other reasons too, including incompatibility in the overall physical SIZE of races. For example, if I was to hypothetically miscegenate with a diminutive Asiatic female, there is a very high likelihood that the pregnancy would pose very dire risks for the baby and the mother herself. Because her "baby" would be MUCH bigger than the size of the baby she would have produced had she bred with a male of her own race (and therefore appropriate size), it would make if extremely difficult if not impossible for the baby to go through the pelvic canal, therefore requiring a caesarean section. And because the baby would be so big it would be also highly likely that a premature birth would occur, putting risk to the baby and also the mother herself. This is just one good reason of many WHY I need big GERMANIC woman (rather than a diminutive Asiatic) to breed with. Females of my own race actually have the PHYSICAL CAPABLITY!

And a sufficiently large man and sufficiently small woman of the same race can have the same problem. It is more a matter of size, not race. And while a large white male and a small Asian female may lead to a caesarian section, it doesn't actually seem to increase the risk all that much (roughly 5% higher in Asian F/White M versus White F/White M, and preTerm is actually down .1% for Asian F/White M over White F/White M at 37 week while while preTerm >32 weeks is down in favor of Asian F/White M by .09%) by the study I'm looking at, definitely not enough to merit full-blown racial segregation in marriage. If anything, and being generous, it might make a person a size-ist ("No 6'3" son of mine is going to marry a five-foot-nothing woman, dagnabbit!"), not racist. Besides, no one says you'd have to limit yourself to a small Asian female, why not a robust African woman? No size concerns there. And on the other end of thing, a six-foot Asian man built like a wall may need some sturdy Germanic woman to bear his mighty children without increased risk of a troubled birth due to a potentially too-small Asian woman.

As to your comment about "adding variety to gene pools" there is actually MORE than enough genetic variation WITHIN most races to ensure a healthy and thriving existence WITHOUT having to revert to the radical and degenerate behaviour of miscegenation.

While I certainly don't agree with the descriptors you've used for interracial relationships, sure, there is enough variety for the races to stay self-contained (at least for the time being), however, it doesn't change that mixed-race children tend to increase the fitness of the species by adding even more variety.

If you say that I am being "racist" for forbidding miscegenation then obviously you would have no disgust if I were to say that I would like to try and breed with a sheep or a dog. If you would express disgust then you TOO are a racist!

Wow. That is one major false equivalence you have there. And if you truly equate non-white races to non-human animals as you've just implied, then it simply further goes to show how far down the white supremacist rabbit hole you've gone.

[Karl]

why do you care so much about your who your kids would marry? i dont think that Germanic people are gonna die out because of your kids spouses?
seems like a bad attempt to cover up racism.

You underestimate the dire danger the Germanic races are actually in. We are being quickly driven to extinction, mainly through three main forms of assault: Feminism and homosexuality as foisted on us by the Jewish controlled governments and the mainstream media they also own. This leads to increasingly smaller and smaller families. The third genocidal factor is miscegenation which since the beginning of the 21st century has become chronically RIFE, due to the hordes of "immigrants" and "refugees" that have barged their way into Western countries like an unstoppable juggernaut.

You seem to have some concern about me forbidding my offspring miscegenating. But you see, the fact that I utterly forbid it is pretty well immaterial anyway, given that my offspring have an even more fierce repulsion of miscegenation than even I do! So even if I hypothetically allowed it, THEY wouldn't ANYWAY. They regard miscegenation as a mental illness, so you are wasting your time trying to make ME change my mind about my repulsion of miscegenation.

Did you really just compare having children with a human being of another race to having children with an ANIMAL.

Pretty well, not that I have a lower opinion of an animal. I am afterall an animal myself.

Honestly that's enough info to tell me your a racist. No matter how much your gonna deny it, you are one.

So be it, have it your way, I'm a racist then. Doesn't really bother me.

Deen is the sole factor to determine your kid's potential future spouse of. Allah swt knows whats gonna happen to us,what if He ordains your child to marry another muslim of a different race?.

But Allah swt has not ordained my offspring to want to miscegenate. If He had then He would not have made my offspring feel repulsed by miscegenation even more than I am. So don't go stressing yourself over it.

Honestly your whole argument is racism trying to be hidden with some fancy words or "logic".
And once again nationalism,racism etc are haram in Islam

I feel you and some others are trying to drive me away from Islam because everything I strongly defend is (supposedly) "un-Islamic". ::Sigh:: ....maybe you are right, maybe I am just not fit to be a Muslim anymore...maybe I never was? Am I just not fit because I am simply impossible to discipline and correct?

[cinnamonrolls1]

You underestimate the dire danger the Germanic races are actually in. We are being quickly driven to extinction, mainly through three main forms of assault: Feminism and homosexuality as foisted on us by the Jewish controlled governments and the mainstream media they also own. This leads to increasingly smaller and smaller families. The third genocidal factor is miscegenation which since the beginning of the 21st century has become chronically RIFE, due to the hordes of "immigrants" and "refugees" that have barged their way into Western countries like an unstoppable juggernaut.

You seem to have some concern about me forbidding my offspring miscegenating. But you see, the fact that I utterly forbid it is pretty well immaterial anyway, given that my offspring have an even more fierce repulsion of miscegenation than even I do! So even if I hypothetically allowed it, THEY wouldn't ANYWAY. They regard miscegenation as a mental illness, so you are wasting your time trying to make ME change my mind about my repulsion of miscegenation.





Pretty well, not that I have a lower opinion of an animal. I am afterall an animal myself.






So be it, have it your way, I'm a racist then. Doesn't really bother me.






But Allah swt has not ordained my offspring to want to miscegenate. If He had then He would not have made my offspring feel repulsed by miscegenation even more than I am. So don't go stressing yourself over it.





I feel you and some others are trying to drive me away from Islam because everything I strongly defend is (supposedly) "un-Islamic". ::Sigh:: ....maybe you are right, maybe I am just not fit to be a Muslim anymore...maybe I never was? Am I just not fit because I am simply impossible to discipline and correct?

Okay,im not going to agree with your stupid reasoning,much like you clearly don't agree with mines. However your kids views are terrible as ALL humans are God's creation.
And lastly no one knows what God is going to ordain, Maybe He is going to ordain your children to marry interracially? Who knows?

[Karl]

And a sufficiently large man and sufficiently small woman of the same race can have the same problem. It is more a matter of size, not race.

That is not really true. Members of the same race (at least of mine) are of very close size anyway. If there is large anomalies in physical size between members of the same race it points to there being either the taint of miscegenation involved, or there is some serious medical condition at play. Men of my race are all roughly the same size as each other. Our women are all roughly the same size as each other. My race is BIG, therefore we simply have no such thing as puny diminutive women. They are non existent, therefore there is never (or at least extremely rarely) a problem with mothers carrying oversized babies.

And while a large white male and a small Asian female may lead to a caesarian section, it doesn't actually seem to increase the risk all that much (roughly 5% higher in Asian F/White M versus White F/White M, and preTerm is actually down .1% for Asian F/White M over White F/White M at 37 week while while preTerm >32 weeks is down in favor of Asian F/White M by .09%) by the study I'm looking at, definitely not enough to merit full-blown racial segregation in marriage. If anything, and being generous, it might make a person a size-ist ("No 6'3" son of mine is going to marry a five-foot-nothing woman, dagnabbit!"), not racist.

True, it is size-based, BUT it is ALSO race based too, given that different races are of different physical sizes to begin with. I don't care how "low" you claim the risk to be of premature births and caesarean sections are when white males miscegenate with Asiatic females. NO risk is worth it, as far as I'm concerned, which is why I strictly forbid it. Besides, even if I was able to successfully miscegenate with a diminutive Asiatic female completely risk free of premature births and caesarean sections, I wouldn't want to ANYWAY because I regard puny diminutive builds to look emasculated. It looks particularly bad in males. Yes, those soft-featured little races look pretty and cute, but I don't want my OWN race to partly BECOME that as well. I want to instead produce sons that LOOK like boys, BIG and STRONG and ROBUST, NOT sons who all my friends are going to think look like puny effeminate-featured homosexuals.

Besides, no one says you'd have to limit yourself to a small Asian female, why not a robust African woman? No size concerns there. And on the other end of thing, a six-foot Asian man built like a wall may need some sturdy Germanic woman to bear his mighty children without increased risk of a troubled birth due to a potentially too-small Asian woman.

While I am opposed outright to miscegenation, it is however true that a Zulu is WAY more racially compatible with Germanic (because they are both big and strong). But this is still no good reason for miscegenation. Miscegenating a Sub-Saharan with a Germanic is obviously nowhere as gross and repulsive and incompatible as hybridizing a Germanic with an Asiatic, but that doesn't mean to say though that mixing a Sub-Saharan with a Germanic should be encouraged. Allah swt created the races to look different for a REASON, otherwise He would not have done so to begin with.

While I certainly don't agree with the descriptors you've used for interracial relationships, sure, there is enough variety for the races to stay self-contained (at least for the time being), however, it doesn't change that mixed-race children tend to increase the fitness of the species by adding even more variety.

MY race doesn't NEED any more "variety". We in our self-contained existence have more than enough variety to not need to miscegenate. We are perfect enough as it is!

[Karl]

Okay,im not going to agree with your stupid reasoning,much like you clearly don't agree with mines. However your kids views are terrible as ALL humans are God's creation.
And lastly no one knows what God is going to ordain, Maybe He is going to ordain your children to marry interracially? Who knows?

You are suggesting that God will intervene and change my offsprings' stance on miscegenation? Well, I'll believe that when I SEE it!

[Karl]

Yea I'm sure anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liberal, zionist, and whatever else you like to deflect your issues on. So "skin color" hit a nerve with you, yet you still failed to recognize that everything you're saying still cannot at all be supported by Islam.

Skin colour did not "hit a nerve" with me at all, so why did you say that? I was merely pointing out that skin colour is NOT a synonym of race.

Umm...obviously they won't mean nothing to you once you're dead...because you'll be DEAD. It's the last thing you'll have to worry about.

Obviously I can't care about the survival of my race after I'm dead, but that doesn't mean to say that I therefore shouldn't care about anything at all because, hey one day I'll be dead anyway. That is more a nihilistic attitude, rather than Islamic.

WHen you prefer that your daughters remain unmarried than to marry someone outside of their race, what's that say?? That anyone of any other race is NOT WORTHY of being married to your family, that they are inferior for marriage.

I didn't say they are "not worthy" or "inferior" to my race. I said they are INCOMPATIBLE. Totally different things.

Whatever way you want to look at it, it still comes back to you putting race first before deen. Because "marriage" is not a race thing..its an religious commitment. In fact when it comes to marrying one's daughter, deen is the very FIRST thing one considers, NOT RACE.

Deen might be put first before race, but that doesn't mean to say that it should therefore override the importance of preserving race. There is no reason why BOTH factors cannot be observed when considering marriage.

So if his deen is great, and your daughter is interested, and he has the ability to take care of her, you will still NOT accept just because his race is different. That's called racism.

Well if it makes you happy, I'm racist. So be it.

So while you may perceive him as "a great muslim" he's still never going to be good enough for your daughters in marriage, which makes him by default, inferior for marriage in your eyes based solely on race.

Again it's nothing to do with being "inferior". Incompatibility is not inferiority just as oranges are no more inferior to apples.

MOST but not ALL. So if a different race wanted to marry your daughters who have "MOST" of the qualities that you want to preserve in your own race, will that be a problem?? Cuz then at that point you don't have an excuse, right?

I don't want to preserve "most" of the qualities of my race, I want to preserve ALL of the qualities.

ALso what superior advantages are you speaking of??? What do you expect your race to continue doing for years and years and years to come where they require preserving their size and strength? Chop down trees and race down the river? ;D

Obviously physical strength can be a major advantage in day to day life. It's not just about being able to lift heavy things etc, but it's also about the physical look ITSELF, the big strong sturdy masculine morphology. I most particularly wont race mix with soft-featured cute small-boned diminutive races because I don't want all my friends to laugh at me and say "Certainly not a like-father-like-son situation is it?! Not big and strong like their dad, are they? LOL! They look so puny and effeminate that we actually mistook them for girls! Hahahahaaa!!"

I'm sure you can find your size. Most redneck racists are obese, dumb-dumbs so if THEY can find racist tees in their size, I'm sure a man who is so proud of his large germanic frame will be able to as well! :D

Me and my family are not obese. We are big and strong and muscular and athletic and in shape. It is true that there are members of my race who carry a few extra pounds, but better to be like that than to be chinless, insipid, puny and effeminate featured, so much so that males look like shemales. Better to look like a fat redneck than a skinny gay homosexual!

[cinnamonrolls1]

Skin colour did not "hit a nerve" with me at all, so why did you say that? I was merely pointing out that skin colour is NOT a synonym of race.




Obviously I can't care about the survival of my race after I'm dead, but that doesn't mean to say that I therefore shouldn't care about anything at all because, hey one day I'll be dead anyway. That is more a nihilistic attitude, rather than Islamic.



I didn't say they are "not worthy" or "inferior" to my race. I said they are INCOMPATIBLE. Totally different things.



Deen might be put first before race, but that doesn't mean to say that it should therefore override the importance of preserving race. There is no reason why BOTH factors cannot be observed when considering marriage.



Well if it makes you happy, I'm racist. So be it.



Again it's nothing to do with being "inferior". Incompatibility is not inferiority just as oranges are no more inferior to apples.




I don't want to preserve "most" of the qualities of my race, I want to preserve ALL of the qualities.



Obviously physical strength can be a major advantage in day to day life. It's not just about being able to lift heavy things etc, but it's also about the physical look ITSELF, the big strong sturdy masculine morphology. I most particularly wont race mix with soft-featured cute small-boned diminutive races because I don't want all my friends to laugh at me and say "Certainly not a like-father-like-son situation is it?! Not big and strong like their dad, are they? LOL! They look so puny and effeminate that we actually mistook them for girls! Hahahahaaa!!"



Me and my family are not obese. We are big and strong and muscular and athletic and in shape. It is true that there are members of my race who carry a few extra pounds, but better to be like that than to be chinless, insipid, puny and effeminate featured, so much so that males look like shemales. Better to look like a fat redneck than a skinny gay homosexual!

So you think that people that are not Germanic/mixed are skinny and 'look like homosexuals" Well your wrong, a relative of mine is half white/arab and believe me he is not skinny,neither does he look feminine. Rest of my family are not Germanic and we are not skinny thank you very much

[Karl]

So you think that people that are not Germanic/mixed are skinny and 'look like homosexuals" Well your wrong, a relative of mine is half white/arab and believe me he is not skinny,neither does he look feminine. Rest of my family are not Germanic and we are not skinny thank you very much

Read me properly. I didn't say all non Germanic races look like diminutive puny gay homosexuals. I said some of them do. And those racial types are what I am most averse to miscegenating with as I don't want to produce sons who look like that. I want them to be sturdy and strong and masculine featured.

[fromelsewhere]

Read me properly. I didn't say all non Germanic races look like diminutive puny gay homosexuals. I said some of them do. And those racial types are what I am most averse to miscegenating with as I don't want to produce sons who look like that. I want them to be sturdy and strong and masculine featured.

You underestimate the dire danger the Germanic races are actually in. We are being quickly driven to extinction, mainly through three main forms of assault: Feminism and homosexuality as foisted on us by the Jewish controlled governments and the mainstream media they also own. This leads to increasingly smaller and smaller families. The third genocidal factor is miscegenation which since the beginning of the 21st century has become chronically RIFE, due to the hordes of "immigrants" and "refugees" that have barged their way into Western countries like an unstoppable juggernaut.

You do realize that your philosophy is close to "Nazism" which has failed miserably, don't you? The only genocide that I am aware of with regards to the Germans is the one they committed against the Jews with dumb arguments such as yours. Do you want me to remind you of what the consequences were? I'll remind you... First, the Jews certainly did not disappear. Second, the Germans probably lost the war as a result (instead of sending military supplies to the Eastern front, they were sending Jews to the gas chambers... not a very smart move to do in the middle of a war if you ask me). Third, the Germans were quite embarrassed after the war and could not explain what the heck they had done. Not conducive to a lot of German pride, now, is it?

Stop being a bitter, butt-hurt German whiner. I know that you liked your warring grandpa Adolf a lot, but do yourself a favor and realize that in Islam, there is the concept of "predestination", and it is clear that the Germans were predestined to lose the war, and badly at that. Sleep on this... Food for your twisted thoughts.:hiding:

[MisterK]

You do realize that your philosophy is close to "Nazism" which has failed miserably, don't you? The only genocide that I am aware of with regards to the Germans is the one they committed against the Jews with dumb arguments such as yours. Do you want me to remind you of what the consequences were? I'll remind you... First, the Jews certainly did not disappear. Second, the Germans probably lost the war as a result (instead of sending military supplies to the Eastern front, they were sending Jews to the gas chambers... not a very smart move to do in the middle of a war if you ask me). Third, the Germans were quite embarrassed after the war and could not explain what the heck they had done. Not conducive to a lot of German pride, now, is it?

Stop being a bitter, butt-hurt German whiner. I know that you liked your warring grandpa Adolf a lot, but do yourself a favor and realize that in Islam, there is the concept of "predestination", and it is clear that the Germans were predestined to lose the war, and badly at that. Sleep on this... Food for your twisted thoughts.:hiding:

The Nazis also rounded up and exterminated homosexuals along with the Jews (and others), so he's on full pace to join the Fourth Reich if they ever try and repeat history. The majority of Germans have tried to move on from this incredible dark spot on their history, but clearly some backwards thinking people still cling to it.

If you want to see more of what he is talking about regarding genocide, Google "White Genocide" if you dare. You'll find yourself down the white supremacist/Neo-Nazi side of the internet very fast. It's a nonsense conspiracy theory that there is an active agenda in place to destroy white people their interracial relations. That, since the non-white races can't physically destroy the white race, they will breed them out of existence through interracial relations. It's a rallying cry of racist and xenophobic white people that can't handle a changing cultural demographic. Mixed families are a natural by-product of a connected global community, and many people fear change.

I also wouldn't be surprised if some part of it, even if not an overtly conscious part of it, is the realization whites have historically and on average treated non-white races like garbage, and now that they are on their way to being a minority in what were once almost entirely white nations, the fear of being treated how they treated others comes into account.

[Karl]

The Nazis also rounded up and exterminated homosexuals along with the Jews (and others), so he's on full pace to join the Fourth Reich if they ever try and repeat history. The majority of Germans have tried to move on from this incredible dark spot on their history, but clearly some backwards thinking people still cling to it.

I would have thought that you being a "Muslim" would have been one of the last to be all concerned over the killing of homosexuals and Jews. In the Quran it says that the Jews are a cursed race and that if one encounters a homosexual indulging in homosexual depravity to kill them, and to not allow a homosexual into one's house, so I find it odd why you would actually come to their defence! The Nazis were also in allegiance with the Muslim world as well and were allied with countries such as Turkey. They even had Islamic SS divisions, and were even allies with the Japanese and Hindu forces opposed to the British Empire! So it is strange how so many of you always go on about Nazis being "racist". Yes, some White nationalists are openly racist; the majority aren't though, but we do however have a strong stance that the different races should remain in their own homelands.

If you want to see more of what he is talking about regarding genocide, Google "White Genocide" if you dare. You'll find yourself down the white supremacist/Neo-Nazi side of the internet very fast. It's a nonsense conspiracy theory that there is an active agenda in place to destroy white people their interracial relations. That, since the non-white races can't physically destroy the white race, they will breed them out of existence through interracial relations..

White genocide is not a "nonsense conspiracy", it is a TRUE conspiracy to which some of the more brazenly conceited sneering Jews have even openly ADMITTED to. I can give you an almost endless list of names but just for starters check out the extremely enthusiastic pro-miscegenating comments made by Jews such as Rabbi Rabbinovich, Nikolaus Sarkozy and François Hollande. Jews like that OPENLY admit their plan for mass miscegenation, and some Jews have even advocated mandatory miscegenation laws! Jews have been secretly plotting the destruction of the Germanic races for a very long time, and we only need to take a look at the speech given by Rabbi Rabbinovich at the Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest, Hungary on January 12, 1952, In the following excerpt he says:

Forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White Women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the White Men with black women. Thus the White Race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.

It's a rallying cry of racist and xenophobic white people that can't handle a changing cultural demographic. Mixed families are a natural by-product of a connected global community, and many people fear change.

Mixed families are a natural by-product of a connected Global community?? Perfectly spoken like a raving globalist Bolshevik! You like to rationalize and justify Asiatic and African mass-immigration into Europe by employing sly Marxist type rhetoric, but I bet the vast majority of Asians and Africans would NOT take kindly if the tables were suddenly turned and us Germanic races suddenly gave you a taste of your own medicine and swarmed en masse into Asia and Africa by the horde loads. You will deny it, but I know full well that you would NOT tolerate that and demand us to go back to our own countries where we belong! You only play all your "global community" nonsense when you come to OUR lands but I bet my bottom dollar that you would become very nationalist all of a sudden if we were to all move to YOUR lands!

[Karl]

First, the Jews certainly did not disappear.

Well I agree with you entirely on THAT. Jews always like to grossly play down their numbers, and a global population of "13 million Jews" often keeps being claimed by Jews themselves. However, the immense power and sheer overwhelming global influence your ilk command suggests your numbers are much MUCH higher than that though. Some people have estimated your numbers to be as high as well over a billion globally.

[MisterK]

I would have thought that you being a "Muslim" would have been one of the last to be all concerned over the killing of homosexuals and Jews. In the Quran it says that the Jews are a cursed race and that if one encounters a homosexual indulging in homosexual depravity to kill them, and to not allow a homosexual into one's house, so I find it odd why you would actually come to their defence! The Nazis were also in allegiance with the Muslim world as well and were allied with countries such as Turkey. They even had Islamic SS divisions, and were even allies with the Japanese and Hindu forces opposed to the British Empire! So it is strange how so many of you always go on about Nazis being "racist". Yes, some White nationalists are openly racist; the majority aren't though, but we do however have a strong stance that the different races should remain in their own homelands.



White genocide is not a "nonsense conspiracy", it is a TRUE conspiracy to which some of the more brazenly conceited sneering Jews have even openly ADMITTED to. I can give you an almost endless list of names but just for starters check out the extremely enthusiastic pro-miscegenating comments made by Jews such as Rabbi Rabbinovich, Nikolaus Sarkozy and François Hollande. Jews like that OPENLY admit their plan for mass miscegenation, and some Jews have even advocated mandatory miscegenation laws! Jews have been secretly plotting the destruction of the Germanic races for a very long time, and we only need to take a look at the speech given by Rabbi Rabbinovich at the Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest, Hungary on January 12, 1952, In the following excerpt he says:

Forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White Women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the White Men with black women. Thus the White Race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.



Mixed families are a natural by-product of a connected Global community?? Perfectly spoken like a raving globalist Bolshevik! You like to rationalize and justify Asiatic and African mass-immigration into Europe by employing sly Marxist type rhetoric, but I bet the vast majority of Asians and Africans would NOT take kindly if the tables were suddenly turned and us Germanic races suddenly gave you a taste of your own medicine and swarmed en masse into Asia and Africa by the horde loads. You will deny it, but I know full well that you would NOT tolerate that and demand us to go back to our own countries where we belong! You only play all your "global community" nonsense when you come to OUR lands but I bet my bottom dollar that you would become very nationalist all of a sudden if we were to all move to YOUR lands!

I'm in a hurry, I may come back to this later for a more proper reply, so, bullet point style;

*Hitler and the Nazis were all about the Aryan ideal, the German übermensch, once they were a dominant super power if they had won WW2, they likely would not have stopped, eventually turning on their allies for a global Aryan dominance.

*Please highlight for me exactly where in the Quran is says to kill gay people, as I don't recall that being in it, and can't seem to find it. Maybe I missed it?

*Rabbi-Emanuel Rabinovich, and his speech you quoted, appears to be a hoax perpetrated by an anti semite named Eustace Mullins, and doesn't actually appear to exist.

*I was born and raised in the United States, not Africa or Asia. I still live in the US. I despise nationalism, no matter what nation it is for. It is a pox on humanity.

[Karl]

@Karl , whoah! On top of being crazy, you are quite paranoid! Now tell me this: how do I know that YOU are not one of the billion of "evil" Jews out there?

P.S. I love how everybody you disagree with is a "Jew". ;D

It's pretty obvious I am not a Jew. To begin with, I don't look Jewish, I look fully Germanic. Furthermore, I have also had my genetics tested to see what my background was and if I might have other Germanic blood in me. There is some degree of crossover from another Germanic race, but certainly no African or Asiatic.

P.S. #2: No offense to your great race, but have you ever seen how a strong Germanic man handles the Middle-Eastern desert with temperatures above 104F/40C? I'll tell you: by turning all pink in the face like a little piggy, having a heat stroke, drinking noisily 2 or more gallons of water, and whimpering like a little baby. So much greatness for the special Germanic race!!!

Oh I agree there, Germanics are most certainly not suited to hot climates, although I know full well that being thrown into a stinking hot climate would leave me exhausted, it would not make me "whimper like a baby"!

I am adding this 2nd point in just to point out that people have adapted to some extent to their environments, so this explains the (small) physiological differences between the races.

Some races have "small" physiological differences, but usually only when the race is similar (for example, when comparing a Viking with a Dutchman, or an Indian with a Somalian), but disparate races do certainly show SIGNIFICANT physiological differences (for example, a Viking compared to an Indonesian or a Saxon compared to a Thai).

It has nothing to do with the "purity" or "greatness" of a race. No offense, but Germans are no more special than Jews or Gypsies or Gays (though "gay" is not a race - and technically, Jews and Germans are not a race neither -,

I never said that Germans are any more special than Jews or Gypsies (aka Hindustanis), but that doesn't mean to say that there aren't those of us who don't want to have these aliens living in our country. I am not against them coming as tourists and coming as traders, but residing permanently, no. It's true that Jews are not a race as those who are adherents of Judaism actually come from a collection of Asiatic races. It is also true that Germans aren't a single race, they are actually a collection of Germanic raceS. It was actually the Romans who started referring generically to the Germanic races collectively as "the Germans", but each respective race didn't actually refer to themselves as Germans, but rather, by the name of their own individual race.

but I have heard that Germany is one of the best places for homosexuality in the world with lots of gay clubs, bars, saunas and whatnot).

This degeneracy of Europe is of course no wonder. Germany, and by extension, most of Europe has been politically and culturally controlled by Jews since their conquest of Europe at the end of WWII. Almost everything we are inculcated with, whether it be in the realm of moral instruction or whatever, the Jews fanatically and incessantly foist on us. That's why you will often see people refer to modern day Europe as ZOG (Zionist Occupied Governments).

[Karl]

*Hitler and the Nazis were all about the Aryan ideal, the German übermensch, once they were a dominant super power if they had won WW2, they likely would not have stopped, eventually turning on their allies for a global Aryan dominance.

One thing I'll admit the Nazis didn't get right was the idea that Germanics are "Aryans". The TRUE Aryans are actually Iranian, not Germanic at all. Unlike the Iranians, us Germanics didn't even have an advanced civilization or even a written language until quite late. But whether or not the Nazis would have turned on their allies once the won the war is of course anyone's guess.

*Rabbi-Emanuel Rabinovich, and his speech you quoted, appears to be a hoax perpetrated by an anti semite named Eustace Mullins, and doesn't actually appear to exist.

"Appear"? This is because Jews go out of their way to propagate the notion that conspiracies such as this including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion etc are all merely "frauds". You are within your right to agree with them if that makes you feel happy, but it still doesn't change that fact that whether these various conspiracies are nothing but "forgeries" is irrelevant anyway, simply because the diabolical agendas in them have actually come to be put into implementation! You also cannot deny the open declarations made by many Jews today (Soros, Sarkozy etc etc) calling for many of the things mentioned in the "forgeries" (including genociding the white races through the means of feminism, homosexuality and race mixing).

*I was born and raised in the United States, not Africa or Asia. I still live in the US. I despise nationalism, no matter what nation it is for. It is a pox on humanity.

Yeah, that's what any lefty liberal will always say!

[fromelsewhere]

It's pretty obvious I am not a Jew. To begin with, I don't look Jewish, I look fully Germanic. Furthermore, I have also had my genetics tested to see what my background was and if I might have other Germanic blood in me. There is some degree of crossover from another Germanic race, but certainly no African or Asiatic.

That's what you say. We haven't seen your pictures and we haven't seen you genetic tests results.

Oh I agree there, Germanics are most certainly not suited to hot climates, although I know full well that being thrown into a stinking hot climate would leave me exhausted, it would not make me "whimper like a baby"!

I'm sure it would. Come and visit!

Some races have "small" physiological differences, but usually only when the race is similar (for example, when comparing a Viking with a Dutchman, or an Indian with a Somalian), but disparate races do certainly show SIGNIFICANT physiological differences (for example, a Viking compared to an Indonesian or a Saxon compared to a Thai).

Not true. It is well known that the genetic differences within two members of the same race are often greater than the genetic difference between the average of two races. Read this article (actual science): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/

This degeneracy of Europe is of course no wonder. Germany, and by extension, most of Europe has been politically and culturally controlled by Jews since their conquest of Europe at the end of WWII. Almost everything we are inculcated with, whether it be in the realm of moral instruction or whatever, the Jews fanatically and incessantly foist on us. That's why you will often see people refer to modern day Europe as ZOG (Zionist Occupied Governments).

The Jews "conquested" Europe since the end of WWII? Well, all I have to say is that for a group of people who were being sent to the gas chambers, they came back with a vengeance if your conspiracy theory were true. Frankly, if this were (hypothetically-speaking) the case, I think it would be a good punishment for the idiots of Europe of the time. It gives Europe a humbling lesson for all of these centuries where they thought of themselves as the "superior" race and were going about on their crusades to colonize the world.

P.S. One more thing I will clarify for you - I looked up Sarkozy. He had a Greek Jewish grandfather who converted to Catholicism. He is therefore not a Jew because according to the Jewish religion, the mother needs to be a Jew for the child to be a Jew. It is the opposite of Islam, in case you didn't know. (Note: for someone who was inculcated by moral instructions from the Jews, I am surprised that you didn't know this detail because even I knew this and I certainly wasn't inculcated by any Jew.) Also, Sarkozy is long gone from politics. In France, it is now Emmanuel Macron who leads the country, FYI. You are very late in your news. I hope you are learning a few things today in that thick, thick head of yours.

[Karl]

Not true. It is well known that the genetic differences within two members of the same race are often greater than the genetic difference between the average of two races. Read this article (actual science): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/

It's the kind of pseudo-scientific leftist-funded pro-race-mixing Jewish propaganda I totally ignore. If you want to insist it's "true", then speak for your OWN race, don't speak for MINE. Keep MINE out of it. You and your Jewish allies have NOT been able to use any members of my race as laboratories guinea pigs to do your "scientific tests". Why? Because we haven't been cooperative to participate in your "scientific studies", THAT'S why. Your "science" therefore DOESN'T apply to MY race. Anyway, if there WAS actually hypothetically "greater genetic differences" between "some" members of my own race than members of different races, then all such members of my own race that were more genetically further apart to the rest of us than members of a completely different race would therefore also show closer physical resemblances to the foreign race than to the remaining members of our own race! But certainly that has never been the case with us. The further genetically you get away it displays more and more in the physical appearance. Therefore, if a Viking had more in common genetically with a pygmy than another Viking then he would look much closer to the pygmy than the other Viking. It's a no brainer, dude.

Besides. if you were paying more attention you would have noticed that I wasn't talking about genetic differences anyway, I was talking only of morphological differences. The two of course are interrelated as genetics themselves actually determine physical morphology.

The Jews "conquested" Europe since the end of WWII? Well, all I have to say is that for a group of people who were being sent to the gas chambers, they came back with a vengeance if your conspiracy theory were true.

Many European Jews were destroyed, but it was mainly the Bolshevik Jews from the Soviet Union and the Jews from England and the USA that "came back with a vengeance" and conquered Germany and took over the rest of Europe, rather than the Jews in Germany itself.

Frankly, if this were (hypothetically-speaking) the case, I think it would be a good punishment for the idiots of Europe of the time. It gives Europe a humbling lesson for all of these centuries where they thought of themselves as the "superior" race and were going about on their crusades to colonize the world.

The Nazis were a warning to foreign races to get out of the Northern European lands. White nationalists are a kind of sleeping giant. Next time you foreigners take us to breaking point we and our legions will be TEN times worse to you than the Nazis were. Things will get VERY bad, and we will be so ruthless and unforgiving and destruction will be everywhere. The Nazis will end up looking like girl scouts in comparison to what will happen next time we decide we've had ENOUGH! History has a habit of repeating, and often those repeats become amplified several times more than previously. All your Jewish money WON'T protect you either once we get nasty.

P.S. One more thing I will clarify for you - I looked up Sarkozy. He had a Greek Jewish grandfather who converted to Catholicism. He is therefore not a Jew because according to the Jewish religion, the mother needs to be a Jew for the child to be a Jew. It is the opposite of Islam, in case you didn't know. (Note: for someone who was inculcated by moral instructions from the Jews, I am surprised that you didn't know this detail because even I knew this and I certainly wasn't inculcated by any Jew.) Also, Sarkozy is long gone from politics.

Not even Jews, you say? In any case, Sarkozy and Hollande nonetheless most certainly look like stereotypical Jews you would have seen in Nazi propaganda posters, and just in case your were unaware, many Jews are known to masquerade as either being atheists or "converts" to some other religion. Crypto Jews even infiltrated the Catholic Church. The pope himself, an "ex-communist", is really a Jew too...again, he is one with that stereotypical Jewish face.

In France, it is now Emmanuel Macron who leads the country, FYI. You are very late in your news. I hope you are learning a few things today in that thick, thick head of yours.

Macron, is yet another Jew (mongrel half caste), an agent in league with the Rothschild demonic secret plan for a Totalitarian Jew World Order.

[Eric H]

I think this thread needs one of these..............

:threadclo

[sister herb]

@Karl , whoah! On top of being crazy, you are quite paranoid! Now tell me this: how do I know that YOU are not one of the billion of "evil" Jews out there?

P.S. # 1: I love how everybody you disagree with is a "Jew". ;D

Don´t forget also feminists and Marxists. They are quite common enemies too - I think many of us have been already labeled as those. ;D

[sister herb]

I think this thread needs one of these..............

:threadclo

I agree with my 110% mixed races!

:coldwater:

[fromelsewhere]

Whatever you do, please do not delete this thread. If new people who haven't yet been introduced to Karl come onto this forum, they will quickly learn who he is with this thread.

[Karl]

Wow! You are so crazy about the Jews! I have never seen someone who loved them so much to the point of seeing them everywhere :Emoji52:, even hiding in the pope's robes! As for YOUR "superior" race that you refer to with so much homosexual love (with nice bolded words for more emphasis), we will see what will happen if you try your Nazi colonialist BS again. As you rightfully pointed out, "History has a habit of repeating, and often those repeats become amplified several times more than previously." Therefore, should your great fake race choose to repeat history, it will lose again, with the consequences amplified several times more than previously. When will losers like you get it?

It wasn't "colonialist bs". The Nazis were a necessary "evil", but nonetheless the lesser of even far greater evils they were trying to destroy such as the British Empire and Bolshevism. It might look like "colonialist bs" to you, but really all the Germans were doing was trying to drive Jews and other alien over stayers out of Europe, not to mention Marxism as well. The Final Solution was primarily concerned with driving Jews back to where they all came from. Even in other European countries they invaded many white people were actually appealing to them to come and liberate them from Jewish tyranny.

[Karl]

Don´t forget also feminists and Marxists. They are quite common enemies too - I think many of us have been already labeled as those. ;D

True, but the vast majority of these enemies embrace all these things hand in glove. Jews actually INVENTED feminism and Marxism. They all go together and were tools designed to destroy and/or enslave the goyim. Most Jews identify as feminists and Marxists...well at least CULTURAL Marxists anyway, as many Jews are wealthy chardonnay socialists who while they on ONE hand defend capitalism and tell the goyim that the money they have is "none of their business", on the OTHER hand embrace collectivism and Marxism when it comes to socialist governments forcing Jewish morality and ideology, social engineering and social policies etc down everyone's throats. Practically every feminist I have encountered identify as a socialist, Marxist or other leftist stripe, and many feminists are of course Jews. And most certainly any Marxist will automatically be a feminist, because you really can't be a Marxist to begin with if you don't embrace feminism.

[anatolian]

He says that he is not a racist. I think he already detailed his opinions about "race purism". He also have a type of nationalism that he doesnt want different races to live in his country. Obviously that is not Islamic. In Islam we believe we can marry from different races since what matters is faith not race. But there is no need to over discuss that matter. It comes to the personal choice at the end of the day.

[sister herb]

Whatever you do, please do not delete this thread. If new people who haven't yet been introduced to Karl come onto this forum, they will quickly learn who he is with this thread.

And should we learn "who is Karl"?

No need to delete this thread of course but some thinking how to discuss might be good for each others. It´s ok to call someone as Jew, feminist or Marxist (or even racist) if he/she is it but using those words as terms of abuse is against the manners which we Muslims (and all members of this forum) should follow.