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TDWT
04-27-2017, 01:21 PM
Hi, can anyone translate these narrations for me and the rulings below:

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا فَرْوَةُ بْنُ أَبِي المَغْرَاءِ قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنَا عَبِيدَةُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، قَالَ: " إِنَّ المَرْأَةَ مِنْ نِسَاءِ أَهْلِ الجَنَّةِ لَيُرَى بَيَاضُ سَاقِهَا مِنْ وَرَاءِ سَبْعِينَ حُلَّةً حَتَّى يُرَى مُخُّهَا، وَذَلِكَ بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ يَقُولُ: {كَأَنَّهُنَّ اليَاقُوتُ وَالمَرْجَانُ} [الرحمن: 58] فَأَمَّا اليَاقُوتُ فَإِنَّهُ حَجَرٌ لَوْ أَدْخَلْتَ فِيهِ سِلْكًا ثُمَّ اسْتَصْفَيْتَهُ لَأُرِيتَهُ مِنْ وَرَائِهِ " حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا عَبِيدَةُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ نَحْوَهُ،


[حكم الالبانى]: **



- حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، «نَحْوَهُ بِمَعْنَاهُ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعْهُ، وَهَذَا أَصَحُّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عَبِيدَةَ بْنِ حُمَيْدٍ» وَهَكَذَا رَوَى جَرِيرٌ وَغَيْرُ وَاحِدٍ عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعُوهُ " حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا جَرِيرٌ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، نَحْوَ حَدِيثِ أَبِي الأَحْوَصِ «وَلَمْ يَرْفَعْهُ أَصْحَابُ عَطَاءٍ، وَهَذَا أَصَحُّ»


[حكم الالبانى]: صحيح، الصحيحة (1736) ، المشكاة (5635 / التحقيق الثانى) ، التعليق الرغيب (261)


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Umm Malik
04-27-2017, 02:10 PM
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، حَدَّثَنَا فَرْوَةُ بْنُ أَبِي الْمَغْرَاءِ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبِيدَةُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ إِنَّ الْمَرْأَةَ مِنْ نِسَاءِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ لَيُرَى بَيَاضُ سَاقِهَا مِنْ وَرَاءِ سَبْعِينَ حُلَّةً حَتَّى يُرَى مُخُّهَا وَذَلِكَ بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ يَقُولُ‏:‏ ‏(‏كَأََنَّهُنَّ الْيَاقُوتُ وَالْمَرْجَانُ ‏)‏ فَأَمَّا الْيَاقُوتُ فَإِنَّهُ حَجَرٌ لَوْ أَدْخَلْتَ فِيهِ سِلْكًا ثُمَّ اسْتَصْفَيْتَهُ لأُرِيتَهُ مِنْ وَرَائِهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

'Abdullah bin Mas'ud narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said: "Indeed, a woman from the wives of the people of Paradise, the whiteness of her shin is visible through seventy garments until her marrow is seen, and that is because Allah, he Exalted, says: As if they are corundum and Marjan. So, as for the corundum, it is a stone that if you were to enter a wire through it, then you polished its cloudiness away, you would surely be able to see it through it."
Jami' al-Tirmidhi Book: 38, Hadith: 2726

(Another chain:
) From 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud, similar in meaning, and he did not report it in Marfu' form. And this is more correct than the narration of 'Abidah bin Humaid (a narrator in no.2533), and it has been reported like this by Jarir and more than one from 'Ata' bin As-Sa'ib, and they did not mention it in Marfu' form.[Qutaibah repoted to us (he said): "Jarir reported to us, from 'Ata' bin As-Sa'ib and it is similar to the narration of Abu Al-Ahwas. The companions of 'Ata' did not narrate it in Marfu' form, and this is more correct.]

حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ،
عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، نَحْوَهُ بِمَعْنَاهُ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعْهُ ‏.‏ وَهَذَا أَصَحُّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عَبِيدَةَ بْنِ حُمَيْدٍ
وَهَكَذَا رَوَى جَرِيرٌ وَغَيْرُ وَاحِدٍ عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعُوهُ ‏.‏
Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 4, Book 12, Hadith 2534
Arabic reference : Book 38, Hadith 2728
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TDWT
04-27-2017, 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Malik
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، حَدَّثَنَا فَرْوَةُ بْنُ أَبِي الْمَغْرَاءِ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبِيدَةُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ إِنَّ الْمَرْأَةَ مِنْ نِسَاءِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ لَيُرَى بَيَاضُ سَاقِهَا مِنْ وَرَاءِ سَبْعِينَ حُلَّةً حَتَّى يُرَى مُخُّهَا وَذَلِكَ بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ يَقُولُ‏:‏ ‏(‏كَأََنَّهُنَّ الْيَاقُوتُ وَالْمَرْجَانُ ‏)‏ فَأَمَّا الْيَاقُوتُ فَإِنَّهُ حَجَرٌ لَوْ أَدْخَلْتَ فِيهِ سِلْكًا ثُمَّ اسْتَصْفَيْتَهُ لأُرِيتَهُ مِنْ وَرَائِهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

'Abdullah bin Mas'ud narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said: "Indeed, a woman from the wives of the people of Paradise, the whiteness of her shin is visible through seventy garments until her marrow is seen, and that is because Allah, he Exalted, says: As if they are corundum and Marjan. So, as for the corundum, it is a stone that if you were to enter a wire through it, then you polished its cloudiness away, you would surely be able to see it through it."
Jami' al-Tirmidhi Book: 38, Hadith: 2726

(Another chain:
) From 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud, similar in meaning, and he did not report it in Marfu' form. And this is more correct than the narration of 'Abidah bin Humaid (a narrator in no.2533), and it has been reported like this by Jarir and more than one from 'Ata' bin As-Sa'ib, and they did not mention it in Marfu' form.[Qutaibah repoted to us (he said): "Jarir reported to us, from 'Ata' bin As-Sa'ib and it is similar to the narration of Abu Al-Ahwas. The companions of 'Ata' did not narrate it in Marfu' form, and this is more correct.]

حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ،
عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، نَحْوَهُ بِمَعْنَاهُ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعْهُ ‏.‏ وَهَذَا أَصَحُّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عَبِيدَةَ بْنِ حُمَيْدٍ
وَهَكَذَا رَوَى جَرِيرٌ وَغَيْرُ وَاحِدٍ عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعُوهُ ‏.‏
Grade : Da'if (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 4, Book 12, Hadith 2534
Arabic reference : Book 38, Hadith 2728
I was wondering, which one is considered daif/weak? The marfoo one, the first one I said above or the second one that is not considered marfoo? At the bottom in my original post, I see what al-albani said it was true or something?
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Umm Malik
04-27-2017, 03:57 PM

مَسْعُودٍ، «نَحْوَهُ بِمَعْنَاهُ وَلَمْ يَرْفَعْهُ، وَهَذَا أَصَحُّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عَبِيدَةَ بْنِ حُمَيْدٍ
I think It means that this second Hadith is shih than the first one

And Allah knows best
This is just my understanding of what is written in this Hadith
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