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سيف الله
05-08-2017, 10:46 AM
Salaam

Americans strategic patience with North Korea has come to an end. We all know what that means.

Good video on the coming crises.

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Futuwwa
05-08-2017, 11:05 AM
America has never been "strategically patient" with North Korea, and to put it like that is to imply that America has held back from action out of some kind of benevolent attempt at coexistence. That's -------s. America's "patience" is entirely due to the fact that North Korea has the ability to inflict massive carnage on South Korea.
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sister herb
05-08-2017, 11:14 AM
I am wondering why China is so patient with North Korea. Do they know something about it what media doesn´t write?
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anatolian
05-08-2017, 12:13 PM
Why would China be? If there happens a World War NK shall be within the eastern union
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azc
05-08-2017, 01:08 PM
I don't see the war is possible. For US knows it's not Iraq.
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سيف الله
07-06-2017, 09:00 PM
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Another update North Korea says they have successfully tested an ICBM.

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سيف الله
08-22-2017, 01:48 PM
Salaam

Bro Nathanael take on the situation

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سيف الله
09-05-2017, 05:50 PM
Salaam

A Chinese perspective

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سيف الله
09-05-2017, 07:57 PM
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The Americans are going of the deep end. . . . . .

US UN envoy: "North Korea are begging for war"

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sister herb
09-05-2017, 08:09 PM
I liked Putin´s comments about the North Korea situation.

Sanctions will never make North Korea give up its nuclear programme, warns Putin

“The use of any kind of sanctions in this situation is already useless and ineffective,” Mr Putin said. “They will eat grass but they won't give up (the nuclear) programme if they don't feel safe.”

Mr Putin pushed back against this “military hysteria” as the way to a “global planetary catastrophe,” calling instead for a renewal of dialogue without any “threat of (North Korea's) destruction”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-drills-north/

That made sense to me. I think that China and Russia have more knowledge in this situation than the West has. They are like "speaking the same language" with the North Korea.
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سيف الله
09-27-2017, 06:50 PM
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Situation is getting worse.



We have to ask the question, is the USA a lunatic state?

North Koreans response

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sister herb
09-27-2017, 06:54 PM
I think they both are lunatic states.
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noraina
09-27-2017, 06:57 PM
I've been watching the developing crisis since the start of this year. It's unbelievable, they're both acting like deranged toddlers.

Nobody wants things to turn sour with two powerful nations, each with a powerful arsenal of weapons. The problem is, that the US is treating this clumsily and they're not heeding the warnings of Russia or China.

The worst thing they could do is to give North Korea a reason to not have any dialogue with them and retreat into itself. Which is kinda what's happening.
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M.I.A.
09-27-2017, 07:33 PM
I think its a similar situation to that of iraq under saddam hussain.

...a lot of showboating..

Unfortunately america probably spends more on defence than n.k. does on food.

And if thats the case, then wmd's are a disproportionate threat.

Although n.k. has russia and china as allies.


I dont think it will play out that way anyway.. america knows what its doing.

They probably think about the stuff all day long.

They probably have americans pretending to be Russians pretending to be americans..in russia..

That are actually just internet trolls.

..n.k. doesnt even have internet.
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سيف الله
09-27-2017, 08:28 PM
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Thats the point USA is deliberately trying to box in the North Koreans, forcing them to do something that could ignite a war.

Whatever you think of the North Korean regime, the USA is egging on this conflict.

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anatolian
09-28-2017, 04:17 AM
Trump wants a world war and I am afraid he is going to get it.
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Abz2000
09-28-2017, 04:46 AM
America should face off with Israel first since everyone knows that America shares a direct responsibility for Israel's crimes through propping up it's artificial regime which would topple under natural conditions, and everyone knows that Israel has been - with usa backing - holding weapons of mass destruction including but not limited to chemical and incendiary chemical, and that Israel has been firing illegal expanding bullets into children.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...085127509.html

https://www.vice.com/sv/article/nnma...s-in-palestine

That's aside from the fact that American illegal wars and war crimes have been "trumping" the global scene for almost the past century.
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سيف الله
10-03-2017, 04:15 PM
Salaam

Another update

Barsamian: What are the strategic issues where Korea is concerned? Can anything be done to defuse the growing conflict?


Chomsky:
Korea has been a festering problem since the end of World War II, when the hopes of Koreans for unification of the peninsula were blocked by the intervention of the great powers, the United States bearing primary responsibility.

The North Korean dictatorship may well win the prize for brutality and repression, but it is seeking and to some extent carrying out economic development, despite the overwhelming burden of a huge military system. That system includes, of course, a growing arsenal of nuclear weapons and missiles, which pose a threat to the region and, in the longer term, to countries beyond — but its function is to be a deterrent, one that the North Korean regime is unlikely to abandon as long as it remains under threat of destruction.

Today, we are instructed that the great challenge faced by the world is how to compel North Korea to freeze these nuclear and missile programs. Perhaps we should resort to more sanctions, cyberwar, intimidation; to the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system, which China regards as a serious threat to its own interests; perhaps even to direct attack on North Korea — which, it is understood, would elicit retaliation by massed artillery, devastating Seoul and much of South Korea even without the use of nuclear weapons.

But there is another option, one that seems to be ignored: we could simply accept North Korea’s offer to do what we are demanding. China and North Korea have already proposed that North Korea freeze its nuclear and missile programs. The proposal, though, was rejected at once by Washington, just as it had been two years earlier, because it includes a quid pro quo: it calls on the United States to halt its threatening military exercises on North Korea’s borders, including simulated nuclear-bombing attacks by B-52s.

The Chinese-North Korean proposal is hardly unreasonable. North Koreans remember well that their country was literally flattened by U.S. bombing, and many may recall how U.S. forces bombed major dams when there were no other targets left. There were gleeful reports in American military publications about the exciting spectacle of a huge flood of water wiping out the rice crops on which “the Asian” depends for survival. They are very much worth reading, a useful part of historical memory.

The offer to freeze North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs in return for an end to highly provocative actions on North Korea’s border could be the basis for more far-reaching negotiations, which could radically reduce the nuclear threat and perhaps even bring the North Korea crisis to an end. Contrary to much inflamed commentary, there are good reasons to think such negotiations might succeed. Yet even though the North Korean programs are constantly described as perhaps the greatest threat we face, the Chinese-North Korean proposal is unacceptable to Washington, and is rejected by U.S. commentators with impressive unanimity. This is another entry in the shameful and depressing record of near-reflexive preference for force when peaceful options may well be available.

The 2017 South Korean elections may offer a ray of hope. Newly elected President Moon Jae-in seems intent on reversing the harsh confrontationist policies of his predecessor. He has called for exploring diplomatic options and taking steps toward reconciliation, which is surely an improvement over the angry fist-waving that might lead to real disaster.

https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-trump-presidency/
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سيف الله
10-26-2017, 04:22 PM
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Another update and another perspective

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سيف الله
11-23-2017, 05:08 PM
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Another interview, with the revival of the silk roads could spell the end of Anglo-American dominance of the world.

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syphax
11-23-2017, 08:48 PM
Silk roads is truly the end of anglo-American dominance
Look like I need to start learning Chinese
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سيف الله
12-19-2017, 12:59 AM
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Another update, the situation is getting worse

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Karl
12-19-2017, 08:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by syphax
Silk roads is truly the end of anglo-American dominance
Look like I need to start learning Chinese
No the Chinese keep to themselves, they are not interested in global conquest like the West.
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سيف الله
12-21-2017, 01:43 AM
Salaam

This is an unusual interpretation of whats going on.

North Korea’s strategy is to ease out of China’s patronage
Pyongyang aims to monetise its nuclear threat to seek engagement with US


Since President Donald Trump was sworn into office, the perception of risk surrounding North Korea has risen to levels not seen for over a decade.

At present, significant progress in Kim Jong Un’s quest to develop nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the continental US — coupled with a relatively unorthodox US administration — is threatening to significantly alter the Korean peninsula’s geopolitical equilibrium.

Yet rather than acting recklessly, North Korea is in the midst of executing a three-stage road map to achieve its ultimate objective of gaining political capital and financial leverage by monetising its nuclear capabilities. Underpinning this plan is an under-appreciated factor lying outside of the geopolitical sphere: the growing strength of North Korea’s local economy.

The first stage of Mr Kim’s plan involves the development of nuclear weapons followed by a distancing from China. Since the Korean war armistice was signed in 1953, China has been the de facto caretaker of North Korea, safeguarding a finely balanced peace on the Korean peninsula.

What is underestimated about this relationship is its degree of lopsidedness: China’s role as guardian provides the country with major political leverage without fundamentally benefiting North Korea. While China’s economy has seen unprecedented growth from its embrace of free trade and financial market liberalisation, North Korea remains a hermit kingdom mired in poverty.

Under-appreciated in the west is the growing dissatisfaction among North Korea’s power brokers with the current situation. Indeed, after decades of languishing in China’s shadow, North Korea has grown increasingly aware that the political and economic dividends from its ally’s patronage have been withering.

Against this backdrop, escaping from China’s shadow will be imperative for Mr Kim’s regime. After all, if the world believes that China has firm control over its neighbour, Mr Kim and his generals have no leverage. While the ongoing distancing of North Korea from China may cause economic damage in the short term, it is a prerequisite for the acquisition of bargaining power on the global stage.

The machinations and savvy of North Korea have consistently been undervalued. Currently, North Korea is moving towards stage two of its strategy: forcing its way into bilateral talks by escalating tensions with the US.

Ultimately, Mr Kim wants to reach a settlement granting North Korea recognition as a legitimate nuclear nation, as well as unlimited economic upside from the lifting of sanctions. In other words, North Korea is seeking engagement with and recognition from the US.

So far, economic sanctions have proved toothless against a regime that shows little regard for the wellbeing of its people. In fact, in the face of the international community’s efforts to isolate North Korea, there are signs pointing to on-the-ground, market-driven progress. Mr Kim is establishing strong support via economic reforms centred on building up the middle class.

Specifically, the North Korean regime has been allowing its citizens to engage in basic trading and commerce activities since 2011 when Mr Kim first took power. Anecdotal evidence points to an emerging consumer class benefiting from the trading of goods made from Chinese raw materials, contributing to an economic vibrancy not seen for decades. North Korea may be making strides in productivity and income growth reminiscent of China in the 1990s.

In August, the US and Japan proposed oil sanctions on Mr Kim’s region for the first time. Oil is critical to North Korea’s military operations and winter heating. In recent years, China has reluctantly agreed to UN sanctions on North Korea but has insisted on supplying energy to its neighbour, knowing full well that cutting off oil supply could fatally sever the two countries’ already tenuous alliance. Therefore, China’s ultimate decision on oil sanctions will be a critical turning point for the escalation of North Korea risk for financial markets.

From a geopolitical perspective, the perception of North Korea risk remains elevated. Financial markets, however, are largely indifferent to the sabre-rattling, which may raise the stakes even more. As disputes escalate, so too will North Korea’s bargaining power and therefore the price of its demands.

From 2018, investors should look out for the transition point between stages two and three of Mr Kim’s grand plan, which is monetisation and resolution. North Korea’s optimal point of bargaining power will take place when it perfects the technology to fire a nuclear-armed ICBM to the US west coast. Until then, Mr Kim will continue to play a game of seemingly inconsistent sabre-rattling that will buy time for him and his missile programme.

All in all, given that north-east Asia generates $17.5tn in GDP, or 23.5 per cent of the global total, it is unlikely that the relevant parties will risk a war or even a major military conflict.

In addition, a broad-based desire to contain the threat of nuclear technology sales to terrorist organisations is perhaps a greater reason for preventing a miscalculation by key parties.

As such, looking past dramatic news flows, there is an urgent need for the US and UN to accept the reality of North Korea as a permanent nuclear power. In order for that to materialise, a greater appreciation for North Korea’s strategy and its long-term goals is advised for western leaders and investors.

https://www.ft.com/content/dd9f1eaa-e57c-11e7-97e2-916d4fbac0da

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Salaam

Oh no not THIS again.

George Galloway oblierates a warmongering caller who wants NORTH KOREA NUKED!

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سيف الله
12-25-2017, 01:54 AM
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The situation is getting worse and worse. Might as well call it a economic blockade. Prelude to war?

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Silas
01-01-2018, 04:10 PM
The North Korean leader is a complete psychopath with a deficient education and a delusional worldview. A guy like that with ICBMs is terrifying.

It is in China's best interests to order him to dismantle his nuclear program and try to normalize relations with the western world (it isn't just the US--many other nations have repeatedly condemned NK).

Otherwise, Kim is going to sink an American warship and his capital will be reduced to rubble. A million North Koreans will flee across the border to China, causing a refugee and economic crisis.
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DanEdge
01-01-2018, 05:17 PM
Greetings,

The situation with North Korea has concerned me more and more this past year. It is a looming humanitarian crisis the likes of which the world hasn't seen in a long time. What is worse, I don't see how we're going to get out of this peacefully. Inflammatory rhetoric aside, NK and US have a seemingly unresolvable conflict.

We (US citizens) are just not going to be OK with NK having nuke capability to hit our populations centers on the west coast. The public won't accept it, Congress won't accept it, the President won't accept it. We'll do anything to prevent it. Right or wrong, this is the state of the American mind. For their part, North Korea will never give up its nuclear ambitions. It's their only path to international relevance, and Kim's only sure way to stay in power.

If it comes to war, I don't see any good options. US could defeat NK and depose Kim very quickly, but at what cost? Our own military losses would be minimal, but South Korea could face casualty numbers in the tens of thousands. The only way to mitigate this is to impose even higher casualities and destruction on NK at the outset of hostilities. Given that we will want peace with NK very quickly, and NK and SK could be looking at reunification, it is a horrible situation if either side sustatins heavy damage.

The only possible solution I see is the one mentioned earlier in this thread. Since US will not accept NK nuclearization, we should be willing to negotiate the cessation of joint SK/US military exercises, at least for the short term. I'm hoping China will save us all from ourselves here. China stands to lose a lot in terms of security (who would want US military on their doorstep?) and having to deal with the massive humanitarian crisis that war would cause.

I'm hoping that 2018 will bring cooler attitudes to both countries, and a way out will present itself.

--Dan Edge
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Karl
01-01-2018, 10:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
The North Korean leader is a complete psychopath with a deficient education and a delusional worldview. A guy like that with ICBMs is terrifying.

It is in China's best interests to order him to dismantle his nuclear program and try to normalize relations with the western world (it isn't just the US--many other nations have repeatedly condemned NK).

Otherwise, Kim is going to sink an American warship and his capital will be reduced to rubble. A million North Koreans will flee across the border to China, causing a refugee and economic crisis.
Wouldn't it be best if the USA leads by example and totally disarms itself of these horrible nuclear weapons. Otherwise it is total hypocrisy. As far as I'm concerned, every sovereign state, has every right to process any weapons it deems necessary to defend itself. At the end of the day North Korea is politically allied with China and they are the same peoples with ancient connections. So from the Western point of view they are considered the "yellow peril" and an enemy of the West. Where as China and North Koreans realizes the West is nothing more than a Zionist occupied rabid imperialist barbaric alliance of war pigs.
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fromelsewhere
01-02-2018, 02:45 AM
I think that in reality, Kim Jong Un is terrified that his people turn against him since they live in dirt-poor conditions. To justify his stupid dictatorship to his people who would otherwise be furious to see how SK is thriving while NK is a humanitarian disaster, he has to create an artificial conflict with a powerful country. The US makes for a great scapegoat given that it is a far away nuclear power that is really not that interested in getting involved in a conflict at the other end of the world, unless it really has to. Kim provokes the US just enough for the US leaders (not all bright lights..duh) to in turn threaten NK back so that Kim can then justify to his people the spending of countless resources to build up the military that can then help keep Kim in power.

To me it seems like the only right way for this conflict to be solved is for the people in North Korea to wake up and overturn the system. Unfortunately, this is not easy to do as North Koreans are hostages to their government. They are only taught in school what the government wants them to be taught. They then are obligated to go into the military or work in government-owned farms/factories. All the news they received has been heavily censured. So I imagine that many North Koreans, especially of the younger generations, have little to no idea of what goes on beyond the borders of North Korea. It's an Orwellian 1984-like situation.

Edit: the other way out I see is that Kim grows a brain and heart and gradually dismantles his dictatorship by himself without being forced into it... just like how Gorbachev dismantled the USSR.
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Zafran
01-02-2018, 02:49 AM
I cant see how China is going to allow NK to attack anything - I cant see China letting the US come so close to its Border. Recipe for ww3.
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fromelsewhere
01-02-2018, 02:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by DanEdge
The only possible solution I see is the one mentioned earlier in this thread. Since US will not accept NK nuclearization, we should be willing to negotiate the cessation of joint SK/US military exercises, at least for the short term. I'm hoping China will save us all from ourselves here. China stands to lose a lot in terms of security (who would want US military on their doorstep?) and having to deal with the massive humanitarian crisis that war would cause
I must say that I'm skeptical that ceasing the joint SK/US military exercises would produce any results. I think that the whole purpose of Kim Jong Un's government to develop nukes and threaten the US is in reality to distract his people from the pressing humanitarian crisis looming in NK. China seems to be quite indifferent to the whole conflict. In fact, they probably find it quite amusing to see Trump and Kim trade barbs. They count on Kim and Trump to not be stupid enough to actually press the button.
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سيف الله
01-12-2018, 04:08 AM
Salaam

Another update

‘Shrewd & mature N. Korean leader has won this round' – Putin on peninsula crisis

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has emerged a winner in the latest crisis around the Korean Peninsula, Russian president Vladimir Putin said. He believes Pyongyang is now trying to defuse tensions.

“I believe, Mr Kim Jong-un has certainly won this round,” Putin told journalists at a meeting with the Russian media. He said North Korea has achieved its strategic goal.

“He has a nuclear [charge] and a … missile with a range of up to 13,000 kilometers that can reach almost any place on Earth or at least any territory of his potential adversary,” Putin told journalists on Thursday. The Russian president said the North Korean leader is likely to be seeking an easing of tensions in the region.

“He is already an absolutely shrewd and mature politician,” Putin added.

The latest crisis around the Korean Peninsula broke out in September 2017 after Pyongyang claimed it had conducted a hydrogen bomb test. The US responded to North Korean actions by flexing its muscles and conducting a number of military drills in the region with its allies South Korea and Japan. North Korea replied to this saber-rattling by conducting several missile tests, including one, according to Pyongyang, involving an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Both Pyongyang and Washington, along with its allies, added further fuel to the fire by issuing repeated threats against one another. US President Donald Trump repeatedly said the US could use a “military option” in dealing with the crisis and even threatened to “totally destroy North Korea” during the annual General Debate of the 72nd session of the UN General Assembly. More recently Trump said in a Twitter post that his “nuclear button” is “bigger and more powerful.”

Russia and China, by contrast, have called for a peaceful resolution of the crisis from from the outset. Moscow and Beijing put forward a “double freeze” initiative that envisaged the US and its allies halting all major military exercises in the region in exchange for Pyongyang suspending its nuclear and ballistic missile program. The initiative was, however, turned down by Washington.

Russia also repeatedly called on all parties involved in the Korean crisis to “break the vicious cycle of confrontation, reckless schemes and sanctions” and engage into a meaningful dialog instead. In December, the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said North Korea wants to engage in a direct dialog with the US to assure its security, adding that Russia could help with these talks.

In January, Pyongyang and Seoul agreed to hold high-level bilateral talks to discuss the North’s potential participation in the Winter Olympics in PyeongChang, as well as other issues related to improving relations. The move followed North Korean leader Kim Jong-un’s New Year message, in which he wished success for the 2018 Olympics.

During the talks held on January 9, the two sides agreed on the participation of North Korean athletes in the South Korean Olympics. They also discussed the potential reunification of families separated by the Korean War. In a significant breakthrough, the two Koreas agreed on talks between army officials in order to avoid dangerous military incidents.

Pyongyang’s chief negotiator, however said there was no need to discuss the North Korean nuclear program because all its weapons “are only aimed at the United States, not our brethren, nor China and Russia.” Trump meanwhile has claimed it was his aggressive stance that made the negotiations between two Koreas possible.

https://www.rt.com/news/415628-putin-says-shrewd-korean-leader-won/
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JustTime
01-12-2018, 09:01 PM


وَلَقَدْ أُوحِىَ إِلَيْكَ وَإِلَى ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكَ لَئِنْ أَشْرَكْتَ لَيَحْبَطَنَّ عَمَلُكَ وَلَتَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْخَٰسِرِينَ
"If you join others in worship with Allah, then surely all your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers." (39:65)
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Futuwwa
01-14-2018, 05:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by fromelsewhere
I think that in reality, Kim Jong Un is terrified that his people turn against him since they live in dirt-poor conditions. To justify his stupid dictatorship to his people who would otherwise be furious to see how SK is thriving while NK is a humanitarian disaster, he has to create an artificial conflict with a powerful country. The US makes for a great scapegoat given that it is a far away nuclear power that is really not that interested in getting involved in a conflict at the other end of the world, unless it really has to. Kim provokes the US just enough for the US leaders (not all bright lights..duh) to in turn threaten NK back so that Kim can then justify to his people the spending of countless resources to build up the military that can then help keep Kim in power.
Cool story bro.

In the real world, the USA has flat-out refused any kind of diplomatic rapproachment with North Korea. Clinton did an attempt during his presidency and it was mostly going fine, but then came Bush and declared North Korea to be part of the Axis of Evil. North Korean militarization is a rational response to a world in which toothless regimes that the USA doesn't like tend to get regime-changed.
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JustTime
01-14-2018, 09:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Cool story bro.

In the real world, the USA has flat-out refused any kind of diplomatic rapproachment with North Korea. Clinton did an attempt during his presidency and it was mostly going fine, but then came Bush and declared North Korea to be part of the Axis of Evil. North Korean militarization is a rational response to a world in which toothless regimes that the USA doesn't like tend to get regime-changed.
"In the real world" a Muslim would never tolerate a Mushrik having so much as a stone and the fact the US wants to wipe out these Mushriks that stand side-by-side with Assad, Iran, and Russia should be welcomed by the Ummah and praised as when the Persians and Byzantines would clash.
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سيف الله
01-21-2018, 09:54 PM
Salaam

Another update. Again another unusual interpretation of whats going on, or maybe he's trying to be humorous.

A tuneful cry for help from Kim's favourite girl band


Having visited North Korea, and found it crumbling, militarily decrepit and kept going mainly by copious quantities of fiery rice spirit, I have decided that all its actions are really a shout for help, hoping to be rescued from China by the USA.

Plans by Kim Jong Un to deploy his hand-picked Moranbong Band in South Korea, on a new charm offensive, suggest that the hermit state’s leader is more humorous and diplomatic than we may have guessed.

The band look rather like Pyongyang’s hypnotically lovely female traffic police, who conduct the capital’s sparse traffic with graceful gestures, day and night – another example of how North Korea isn’t quite what we think it is, and may in fact be something else altogether.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
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سيف الله
01-26-2018, 05:32 PM
Salaam

Another update

SOROS: The US 'is set on a course toward nuclear war' with North Korea

George Soros on Thursday said the Trump administration's refusal to accept North Korea's nuclear capabilities was putting the countries on a path toward nuclear war.

In a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Soros said that for the US to avoid nuclear war, President Donald Trump and other leaders should accept North Korea as a nuclear power.

"The threat of nuclear war is so horrendous that we are inclined to ignore it, but it is real," Soros said, according to a text of his prepared remarks. "Indeed, the United States is set on a course toward nuclear war by refusing to accept that North Korea has become a nuclear power."

Soros, a longtime Democratic megadonor and hedge fund manager, said the US's concerns about North Korea's nuclear capability was cultivating a vicious circle that was pushing the two countries toward conflict.

"This creates a strong incentive for North Korea to develop its nuclear capacity with all possible speed, which in turn may induce the United States to use its nuclear superiority preemptively — in effect, to start a nuclear war in order to prevent nuclear war, an obviously self-contradictory strategy," he said.

The only solution, Soros said, is for the US to recognize North Korea as a nuclear power and align with China, Japan, and South Korea to establish an agreement to prevent a war.

In addition to the threat of nuclear war, Soros expressed concerns about the Trump administration and the populist sentiments the president espouses.

"Clearly, I consider the Trump administration a danger to the world, but I regard it as a purely temporary phenomenon that will disappear in 2020 or even sooner," Soros said. "I give President Trump credit for motivating his core supporters brilliantly — but for every core supporter, he has created a greater number of core opponents who are equally strongly motivated. That is why I expect a Democratic landslide in 2018."

Soros compared Trump's moves in the US to Vladimir Putin's in Russia.

"I find the current moment in history rather painful," he said. "Open societies are in crisis, and various forms of dictatorships and mafia states, exemplified by Putin's Russia, are on the rise."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/george-soros-davos-speech-trump-north-korea-nuclear-war-2018-1?r=US&IR=T
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anatolian
01-26-2018, 06:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
"In the real world" a Muslim would never tolerate a Mushrik having so much as a stone and the fact the US wants to wipe out these Mushriks that stand side-by-side with Assad, Iran, and Russia should be welcomed by the Ummah and praised as when the Persians and Byzantines would clash.
You must be kidding with us. America is the most harming country in The World to Muslims. Most of it’s profit comes from the clashes resulting the persecution of muslims. NK is rather a harmless country at the moment for Muslims and a harmles mushrik is better than a harming christian

The reason why Muslims supported the Byzantines was because the mushriks were supporting the Sasanids. Apart from that Muslims never took the Byzantines as allies
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JustTime
01-26-2018, 11:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
You must be kidding with us. America is the most harming country in The World to Muslims. Most of it’s profit comes from the clashes resulting the persecution of muslims. NK is rather a harmless country at the moment for Muslims and a harmles mushrik is better than a harming christian

The reason why Muslims supported the Byzantines was because the mushriks were supporting the Sasanids. Apart from that Muslims never took the Byzantines as allies
You must be kidding your nafs and rouh no a Muslim with an atom's weight of insight into al-wala wa bara would never utter a word in support of these people the North Koreans, Make Dua this filthy nation is wiped off the face of the Earth like the people of 'Ad and Sodom.

To think that there is such thing as a better or worse Mushrik/nonbeliever is insane and shows a clear lack of understanding in Sharia all who reject and rebel against Allah are equally evil North Korea isn't harmless these swines give ballistic missiles to Assad and the Houthis who bomb your brothers and sisters in Syria and Yemen and they worship bronze statues you should be ashamed of yourself for uttering the slightest praise or defense from them as should anyone else who does.
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Abz2000
01-27-2018, 03:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
To think that there is such thing as a better or worse Mushrik/nonbeliever is insane and shows a clear lack of understanding in Sharia all who reject and rebel against Allah are equally evil.

There is the concept of seeking refuge from the strong infidel and the weak believer, and the fact that the guide who assisted in the migration of The Two was a mushrik in whom there was sufficient trust to fulfil the required task.
Although i think some of these so called "rebel" leaders are puppets who simply fulfil the role of keeping huge arms races and huge defence budgets justified as the bankers who fund all countries with fiat print and digital currency continue to consolidate power before the impending financial collapse.
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JustTime
01-27-2018, 06:40 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
There is the concept of seeking refuge from the strong infidel and the weak believer, and the fact that the guide who assisted in the migration of The Two was a mushrik in whom there was sufficient trust to fulfil the required task.
Although i think some of these so called "rebel" leaders are puppets who simply fulfil the role of keeping huge arms races and huge defence budgets justified as the bankers who fund all countries with fiat print and digital currency continue to consolidate power before the impending financial collapse.
And have you ever taken the time to realize this is what the people you claim to hate want you to think? It is said in the end times people will tell lies and a majority of the Earth will be misguided and Muslims will be a minority and it will be the hardest Fitna of all. All these types that cling to Majuj Russia and Yajooj Iran and the Axis of Hellfire that whine about Zionism are too blind to realize they are fools.

If North Korea had the resources America has and its influence and America was in North Korea's place you would see how evil these 'anti-imperialists' are. The Communist atheists and polytheists are the lowest scum of the Earth after the Rafidha and they are naturally allied as the Ahzab of today.

These conspiracy theories about bankers and Jews are made up by those very people to exaggerate their own status and cause debate and discord and to destroy Tawakkul in Allah (Tala). Do you really think that secret apparatuses and agencies have this much power like they do in movies and television? Victory isn't from tactics, weapons, bombs or intelligence it is from Allah the most high. Omar Ibn Khattab :ra: even dismissed Khalid Ibn Walid :ra: over this when people credited him with victory Omar relieved him of his position and he told Khalid "I have not dismissed Khalid because of my anger or because of any dishonesty on his part, but because people glorified him and were misled. I feared that people would rely on him. I want them to know that it is Allah who give us victory; and there should be no mischief in the land."
Not even the greatest warrior in history was allowed to be attributed such things and he was the Sword of Allah, yet you think that people who prior to the existence of their state lived in camps and were hunted and persecuted can orchestrate the outcomes of wars and dominate the Muslims? Yes Islam and this Ummah are in a humiliating and weak place as it is right now but it is not the fault of Israel, America, or even the Devils of Russia and Iran it is this Ummah's own fault.

You must also remember Allah is the best of planners and when they plan he plans, Jerusalem will continue to be occupied until this Ummah is worthy to control Jerusalem Syria and many other nations will continue to suffer likewise until the people abandon Hizbiya and tribalistic ways and rely on Allah alone not foreign backers and the opinions.

And in regards to North Korea they are polytheists and while you could blame America for all sorts of issues that is not the issue here the issue here is Al wala wa Bara. North Korea was established by the Soviet Union who brutally invaded Afghanistan for the sake of Atheistic Communism and China that Officially made Islam a crime as a proxy to counter weight the American agenda post-WW2. They spread their mischief throughout the world from Korea to Vietnam to Europe to the Americas and the heartland of our Ummah the Arab nations of Sham and Yemen and Khorasan. Their feuding eventually lead to their battles to be fought slaughtering Muslims they have even come together doing it while hating one another because of their mutual arrogance.

Allah says in the Quran:
ظَهَرَ ٱلْفَسَادُ فِى ٱلْبَرِّ وَٱلْبَحْرِ بِمَا كَسَبَتْ أَيْدِى ٱلنَّاسِ لِيُذِيقَهُم بَعْضَ ٱلَّذِى عَمِلُوا۟ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَرْجِعُونَ
Mischief has appeared on land and sea because of (the meed) that the hands of men have earned, that (Allah) may give them a taste of some of their deeds: in order that they may turn back (from Evil).
(30:41)

If you can condemn the atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine then surely you must be filled with an equal level of anger for those who were murdered by Apostates, Atheists, and Fire-worshipers. They are the worse the ones who lie like Russia, Iran, and North Korea they are the biggest liars and hypocrites. If you can whine about a Palestinian killed by Israeli rockets then where is the whining for the Yemeni killed by a Houthi rocket supplied by either NK or Iran, or is it that a Palestinian is superior to a Yemeni? If you condemn the Israeli occupation of Jerusalem where is the condemnation for Houthi missile attacks on Mecca? If you condemn a Palestinian boy shot by IDF then what of the Sunni boys hung in Iran and what of Syria and Iraq? If you condemn the atrocities in Palestine such as land grabbing and settlements how about the Kurds who are stealing Arab land from their own Sunni brothers and choosing nationalism over Deen and these are descendants of Salah ad Din or even worse the Rafidha death squads from HezbuLAT killing and hunting Sunnis while acting like they care about Palestine. And is Russia to be forgiven for Chechnya and Afghanistan? Is it okay now to ignore their assistance in Alawite-Majoosi genocide of Ahlus Sunnah because they are 'anti-Zionist' is it okay to bomb Mosques and hospitals is it okay to lie and distort information is it okay to ignore their past crimes are we just going to ignore Chechnya because it isn't Palestine? Are we going to ignore Aleppo and Mosul because it isn't Gaza? To deny any of the crimes committed by Russia and Iran is a sin, and I sincerely ask Allah to damn those who deny these crimes and those who support them.

Are these dogs you want in Palestine the oppressors? The one who claim to be 'Muslim' who claim to be the 'Partisans of Ali' while they'd gladly kill a Sunni with a Kalashnikov from the most beloved North Korea?

When Allah resurrects every living being and when those who were murdered the innocent men, women, children, animals, and trees slaughtered by the Russians and Shias within the last few years come back and when the testify what will be the position of those who sat silently not making so much as a Dua for them and not even simply acknowledging the fact a major transgression has occurred, how humiliated will those be who denied and ignored their brothers and sisters because the only words they knew were Zionists, Bankers, and Puppets. How humiliating Wallahi in front of the entire world in front of Prophets and Companions and everyone else who ever lived what a loathsome existence it must be to be more worried about the security some arrogant atheist pig who hates Islam and Allah and his hellhole country full of people that worship him than his own brothers, this is absolutely no different from the Mongol invasion of Mesopotamia and it is the same perpetrators as well against Ahlus Sunnah.

Wallahi if this is the attitude in this Ummah you will never see Jerusalem liberated.
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Abz2000
01-28-2018, 07:47 PM
Umm, the same people who purchased, donated, designed, and set up the u.n building in manhattan (who are basically offshoots and underdogs of the crooked brothers who funded mayhem in europe and then flipped on napoleon, shorted england and bought up the bulk of choice stock on the london stock exchange at rock bottom) are the very same people who funded the experiments in china along with the one china and one child policies, and their histories in surgical mass killing, eugenics, abortions, social engineering, and proxy revolutions are no secret either.

http://www.whale.to/b/rockefeller_q.html


The first two quotes are sufficient for getting a basic idea of how these people think and what they do to achieve such goals.

There is also the movie released around .... ww2, the gold confiscation, the u.n acceptance of the illegal occupation of half of palestine - (the holy land) by european jews, the declaration of independence of pakistan - (the clean land) and mass migration after huge massacres and lynchings of indian Muslims as a result of colonialist divide and rule policies - which was made to look like it was being "given" to Muslims (despite the fact that they were simply being moved from one part of india to others where they were more in the majority anyway) - under a different name and secular governement......
It's called "the house of rothschild" although heavily romanticized and fully sympathetic to the rothschild point of view, it gives an idea of how international events actually move and can be manipupated without the scrutiny of people due to the absence of media spotlight. The movie was like a normalisation statement and an in your face "get over it, it happened before and we're playing money god games (for those who worship capital) for ages anyway.

These good cop bad cop games are getting old and worn out, there is a reason why war is declared on usurers and it's becoming starkly apparent that usury siphons from outsput, synthetically subverts and destroys markets, and causes corruption and wars in order for the money illusionists to keep siphoning, floating, and bloating their share of the cake - and the cake is always the same size, so no actual interest, just repossession of actual property globally via fraud.

Anyways, please watch if u get time.

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Misbah-Abd
01-28-2018, 10:03 PM
If North Korea wants nuclear weapons then who is the West especially the U.S. to tell them that they cannot. The U.S. doesn't have the moral authority to say who can be responsible for having them when they are the only nation on earth to use it on a people when the war was practically over with Japan but just wanted to use them on a civilian population to see the desired effects. This also applies to Iran or any other country. A nation has the right to defend itself by any means necessary and with the history of sanctions, passive aggressive diplomacy, and other intimidating tactics the North Koreans have dealt with then you can't blame them. If the U.S., Russia, China and rest of the nuclear weapon nations want those countries not to have them they can begin by getting rid of theirs as a gesture of good will otherwise spare the world the hypocrisy.
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JustTime
01-29-2018, 01:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
If North Korea wants nuclear weapons then who is the West especially the U.S. to tell them that they cannot. The U.S. doesn't have the moral authority to say who can be responsible for having them when they are the only nation on earth to use it on a people when the war was practically over with Japan but just wanted to use them on a civilian population to see the desired effects. This also applies to Iran or any other country. A nation has the right to defend itself by any means necessary and with the history of sanctions, passive aggressive diplomacy, and other intimidating tactics the North Koreans have dealt with then you can't blame them. If the U.S., Russia, China and rest of the nuclear weapon nations want those countries not to have them they can begin by getting rid of theirs as a gesture of good will otherwise spare the world the hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy isn't the question here or the issue, the issue is that these countries do not have a right to defend themselves or secure themselves in particular the North Korean Juche polytheists and atheists and the Iranian Safawi Majoos. If the greater Islamic Ummah was in the position of America, Europe or Russia or any other power wielding nation and had their influence and resources not only would we put the strictest and harshest restrictions on nations like North Korea or Iran but they would be invaded and subjugated. Not only would they not be warned with ultimatums there would be no warnings only primitive strikes reminiscent of Operation Iraqi 'Freedom' unto Tehran and Pyongyang and Apartheid and Partition would seem like a children's tale compared to what would be imposed on the North Koreans for so much as contemplating having nuclear weapons.

But not only do they disbelieve they are at war with Islam and its people their allies like Russia and Iran are the upmost brutal towards Islam North Korea arms Rafidha death squads in Iraq and Syria North Korea supports Assad North Korea loves Putin. North Korea's main ally China has been oppressing Uyghur Muslims China is so oppressive towards Islam, Islam is a crime in under Chinese Communist Law even though it was generations of Muslims from Uyghurs and the Hui who aided in unifying a majority of China.

Russia the den of Yajuj and Majuj the nation of mischief and evil the land where Jinns occupy the Siberian forests and wasteland tundras has been oppressing Islam and its people for generations for hundreds of years under various leaders and banners from Monarch Orthodox Kings to Atheist Communist Dictators to today under Putin the dog of ifreet and iblis.

You should be ashamed for standing up for these pathetic North Koreans while Muslims die as a result of their satanic actions. I sincerely hope North Korea is leveled like so many of our nations have been.
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Misbah-Abd
01-29-2018, 11:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
Hypocrisy isn't the question here or the issue, the issue is that these countries do not have a right to defend themselves or secure themselves in particular the North Korean Juche polytheists and atheists and the Iranian Safawi Majoos. If the greater Islamic Ummah was in the position of America, Europe or Russia or any other power wielding nation and had their influence and resources not only would we put the strictest and harshest restrictions on nations like North Korea or Iran but they would be invaded and subjugated. Not only would they not be warned with ultimatums there would be no warnings only primitive strikes reminiscent of Operation Iraqi 'Freedom' unto Tehran and Pyongyang and Apartheid and Partition would seem like a children's tale compared to what would be imposed on the North Koreans for so much as contemplating having nuclear weapons.

But not only do they disbelieve they are at war with Islam and its people their allies like Russia and Iran are the upmost brutal towards Islam North Korea arms Rafidha death squads in Iraq and Syria North Korea supports Assad North Korea loves Putin. North Korea's main ally China has been oppressing Uyghur Muslims China is so oppressive towards Islam, Islam is a crime in under Chinese Communist Law even though it was generations of Muslims from Uyghurs and the Hui who aided in unifying a majority of China.

Russia the den of Yajuj and Majuj the nation of mischief and evil the land where Jinns occupy the Siberian forests and wasteland tundras has been oppressing Islam and its people for generations for hundreds of years under various leaders and banners from Monarch Orthodox Kings to Atheist Communist Dictators to today under Putin the dog of ifreet and iblis.

You should be ashamed for standing up for these pathetic North Koreans while Muslims die as a result of their satanic actions. I sincerely hope North Korea is leveled like so many of our nations have been.
I was speaking for the right of any nation to defend itself. You should also wish the same for those Western countries who have done more to destroy Islam and Muslims than North Korea. I don't see North Korea military presence in the Middle East flying drones and airstrike sorties. Unless of course you have a shameful excuse for their reasons to do so.
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JustTime
01-29-2018, 11:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
I was speaking for the right of any nation to defend itself. You should also wish the same for those Western countries who have done more to destroy Islam and Muslims than North Korea. I don't see North Korea military presence in the Middle East flying drones and airstrike sorties. Unless of course you have a shameful excuse for their reasons to do so.
They provide the weapons for those who do it mainly Assad and Iranian proxies they enable them and encourage them to commit their crimes.
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Misbah-Abd
01-29-2018, 11:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
They provide the weapons for those who do it mainly Assad and Iranian proxies they enable them and encourage them to commit their crimes.
Right and you are completely oblivious to the fact that the U.S. and its Western Allies have bombed Muslim lands. Quit being stubborn or willfully ignorant of what is going on.
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Karl
01-30-2018, 10:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
Hypocrisy isn't the question here or the issue, the issue is that these countries do not have a right to defend themselves or secure themselves in particular the North Korean Juche polytheists and atheists and the Iranian Safawi Majoos. If the greater Islamic Ummah was in the position of America, Europe or Russia or any other power wielding nation and had their influence and resources not only would we put the strictest and harshest restrictions on nations like North Korea or Iran but they would be invaded and subjugated. Not only would they not be warned with ultimatums there would be no warnings only primitive strikes reminiscent of Operation Iraqi 'Freedom' unto Tehran and Pyongyang and Apartheid and Partition would seem like a children's tale compared to what would be imposed on the North Koreans for so much as contemplating having nuclear weapons.

But not only do they disbelieve they are at war with Islam and its people their allies like Russia and Iran are the upmost brutal towards Islam North Korea arms Rafidha death squads in Iraq and Syria North Korea supports Assad North Korea loves Putin. North Korea's main ally China has been oppressing Uyghur Muslims China is so oppressive towards Islam, Islam is a crime in under Chinese Communist Law even though it was generations of Muslims from Uyghurs and the Hui who aided in unifying a majority of China.

Russia the den of Yajuj and Majuj the nation of mischief and evil the land where Jinns occupy the Siberian forests and wasteland tundras has been oppressing Islam and its people for generations for hundreds of years under various leaders and banners from Monarch Orthodox Kings to Atheist Communist Dictators to today under Putin the dog of ifreet and iblis.

You should be ashamed for standing up for these pathetic North Koreans while Muslims die as a result of their satanic actions. I sincerely hope North Korea is leveled like so many of our nations have been.
Hmmm very blood thirsty and you have problems with the anti Zionists too. Is the annihilation of peoples because they are not perfect Muslims really the answer? If Islam becomes some big intolerant global totalitarian order, wont it become just another evil force? At least these munkar atheists are not doing evil in Gods name. The vicious circle of war and revenge is not of a Holy nature, but of a base nature of darkness. How can you expect paradise if you follow that path?
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سيف الله
02-23-2018, 10:33 PM
Salaam

Another update

Trump announces 'heaviest ever' North Korea sanctions

Latest US sanctions on North Korea are the 'heaviest ever', President Donald Trump says.


The US has imposed its "heaviest ever" sanctions against North Korea, President Donald Trump says, as the US seeks to prevent North Korea from further developing its nuclear programme. The measures - aimed at disrupting North Korean shipping companies and vessels - will heighten pressure on North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, a US treasury department statement, said on Friday.

"This will significantly hinder the Kim regime's capacity to conduct evasive maritime activities that facilitate illicit coal and fuel transports, and erode its abilities to ship goods through international waters," Steven Mnuchin, treasury secretary, said.

"The president has made it clear to companies worldwide that if they choose to help fund North Korea's nuclear ambitions, they will not do business with the United States."

The new sanctions target almost all shipping currently being used by North Korea, Mnuchin said. The measures prohibit US citizens from dealing with more than 50 vessels and companies, and one person, located in countries including North Korea, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. Assets held by the firms within the US will also be blocked.

Trump described the measures as the "heaviest sanctions ever imposed on a country before" in an address in Washington on Friday.

He cautioned the US will "have to go to phase two" if the sanctions don't have Washington's desired impact, adding that "may be a very rough thing ... very unfortunate for the world", Reuters news agency reported.

UN sanctions

The announcement comes two months after the UN Security Council said it was imposing its toughest sanctions yet on North Korea. The Security Council unanimously voted to ban nearly 90 percent of refined petroleum exports to North Korea, and order North Koreans who work abroad to return to the country within 24 months, on December 22. North Korea announced in November it had successfully conducted a new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching the US mainland.

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's government conducted several missile tests last year, drawing condemnation from the international community. Tensions on the Korean Peninsula appear to have eased in the last few weeks, however, with South Korea expressing it was cautiously optimistic of making progress with inter-Korean relations in the wake of a visit by North Korean officials during the Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/trump-announces-heaviest-north-korea-sanctions-180223210930230.html
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سيف الله
02-27-2018, 10:33 PM
Salaam

More comment.

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سيف الله
03-09-2018, 08:33 AM
Salaam

Wasnt expecting this, North Koreans are cracking under the enormous pressure.

Kim Jong-un to meet Trump by May after North Korean invitation

South Korea’s national security adviser confirms historic talks after relaying offer from Pyongyang to White House

Donald Trump has accepted an invitation from the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, to hold an unprecedented summit meeting to discuss the future of the embattled regime’s nuclear and missile programme.

In a stunning development following months of tension and mutual sabre-rattling, senior South Korean officials appeared outside the White House to announce the news, having verbally conveyed Kim’s invitation to Trump. The White House confirmed Trump was ready to meet Kim “by May”, at a time and location yet to be determined.

If the meeting takes place it would be the first ever between leaders of the two countries. Pyongyang has long sought a summit with the US to reflect what the regime sees as its status as a regional military power. Bill Clinton came close to agreeing to a meeting with Kim’s father, Kim Jong-il, in 2000, but arrangements had not been made by the time he left office in January 2001.

Administration officials on Thursday portrayed the invitation as a victory for Trump’s policy of “maximum pressure” and stressed that the US would not relax its stringent sanctions regime before North Korea began disarming. A senior official said Trump “is not prepared to reward North Korea in exchange for talks”.

Pak Song-il, North Korea’s ambassador to the UN, praised Kim for his “broad-minded” and “courageous” decision in quotes reported by the Washington Post. He advised the US to contribute to peace by bringing a “sincere position and serious attitude”.

Moon Jae-in, South Korea’s president, praised the possible meeting as a “historic milestone” on the way to peace on the peninsula.

Trump himself confirmed the meeting in a tweet, adding that US sanctions would remain in place until a denuclearisation deal was achieved.

The development was announced by South Korean national security director Chung Eui-yong, flanked by intelligence chief Suh Hoon and Cho Yoon-je, South Korea’s ambassador to US.

The invitation, Chung said, was accompanied by an offer to suspend missile and nuclear tests, the condition US officials have laid down for the start of any substantive talks.

Chung is expected to head to Moscow and Beijing, while Suh will travel to Tokyo. Japan’s prime minister Shinzo Abe said on Friday he “highly appreciated” the surprise announcement and planned to visit Trump “as early as April”.

Japan has been cautious about the recent Olympics-driven rapprochement, with Abe warning on Thursday that “talks for the sake of talks are meaningless”. On Friday, he cautioned there would be no change in policy yet: “We will keep putting maximum pressure until North Korea takes concrete actions toward denuclearisation in a manner that is complete, verifiable and irreversible.”

Japan’s foreign ministry said Abe and Trump spoke by phone shortly before the announcement.

In a statement, the White House said: “President Trump greatly appreciates the nice words of the South Korean delegation and President Moon. He will accept the invitation to meet with Kim Jong-un at a place and time to be determined. We look forward to the denuclearisation of North Korea. In the meantime, all sanctions and maximum pressure must remain.”

The South Korean delegation had met the North Korean leader in Pyongyang on Monday. Announcing the delivery of the invitation in a hastily arranged press statement outside the White House, Chung praised Trump’s “leadership”.

“I told President Trump that in our meeting, the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, said he is committed to denuclearisation,” Chung said. “Kim Jong-un pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear or missile tests. He understands the routine joint military exercises between the Republic of Korea and the United States must continue.”

He added that the Kim had “expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible”.

“President Trump appreciated the briefing and said he would meet Kim Jong-un by May to achieve permanent denuclearisation.”

White House officials said the US national security adviser, HR McMaster, would brief the UN security council on Monday.

There have been no significant negotiations between the US and North Korea since 2012, when the two sides agreed a short-lived moratorium on long-range missiles and nuclear weapons activity in return for food aid. The agreement fell apart after Pyongyang launched a satellite with a powerful rocket that could be used in a missile.

A deal struck in 1994 lasted considerably longer but fell apart as a result of mutual distrust. It is far from clear that a new deal would be any more enduring.

Mintaro Oba, a former state department official involved in North Korean policy under the Obama administration, urged caution.

“This is a welcome step that will help us de-escalate dangerous tensions on the Korean Peninsula in the near term – and hopefully lead to progress toward denuclearisation. That said, we must manage our expectations given our knowledge of North Korea’s interests and past behaviour. There is a long and complicated road ahead.

“When President Trump meets with Kim Jong-un, he should not allow the meeting to be purely about optics. He should bring a bold proposal for progress toward denuclearisation, putting the onus on North Korea to respond in good faith.”

Jon Wolfsthal, special assistant to Obama on arms control and non-proliferation, said: “The US must pursue this idea. Scepticism is healthy but the chance for progress is too good to pass up.”

But Wolfsthal added that the May deadline for talks was “almost incredible”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/08/donald-trump-north-korea-kim-jong-un-meeting-may-letter-invite-talks-nuclear-weapons
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سيف الله
03-20-2018, 12:23 AM
Salaam

More comment and analysis.

The DPRK’s Denuclearization Project: South Korean Report on Summit Discredits U.S. Elites’ Assumption


Media coverage of and political reactions to Donald Trump’s announcement of a summit meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have been based on the assumption that it cannot succeed, because Kim will reject the idea of denuclearization. But the full report by South Korean President Moon Jae-in’s national security adviser on the meeting with Kim last week—covered by South Korea’s Yonhap news agency but not covered in U.S. news media—makes it clear that Kim will present Trump with a plan for complete denuclearization linked to the normalization of relations between the U.S. and North Korea, or the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).


The report by Chung Eui-yong on a dinner hosted by Kim Jong Un for the 10-member South Korean delegation on March 5 said the North Korea leader had affirmed his “commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula” and that he “would have no reason to possess nuclear weapons should the safety of [his] regime be guaranteed and military threats against North Korea removed.” Chung reported that Kim expressed his willingness to discuss “ways to realize the denuclearization of the peninsula and normalize [U.S.-DPRK] bilateral ties.”

But in what may be the most important finding in the report, Chung added,

“What we must especially pay attention to is the fact that [Kim Jong Un] has clearly stated that the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula was an instruction of his predecessor and that there has been no change to such an instruction.”

The South Korean national security adviser’s report directly contradicts the firmly held belief among U.S. national security and political elites that Kim Jong Un would never give up the DPRK’s nuclear weapons. As Colin Kahl, former Pentagon official and adviser to Barack Obama, commented in response to the summit announcement,

“It Is simply inconceivable that he will accept full denuclearization at this point.”

But Kahl’s dismissal of the possibility of any agreement at the summit assumes, without saying so, a continuation of the steadfast refusal of the Bush and Obama administrations for the United States to offer any incentive to North Korean in the form of a new peace treaty with North Korea and full normalization of diplomatic and economic relations.

That pattern of U.S. policy is one side of the still-unknown story of the politics of the North Korean issue. The other side of the story is North Korea’s effort to use its nuclear and missile assets as bargaining chips get the United States to strike a deal that would change the U.S. stance of enmity toward North Korea.

The Cold War background of the issue is that DPRK had demanded that the United States military command in South Korea stop its annual “Team Spirit” exercises with South Korean forces, which began in 1976 and involved nuclear-capable U.S. planes. The Americans knew those exercises scared the North Koreans because, as Leon V. Sigal recalled in his authoritative account of U.S.-North Korean nuclear negotiations, “Disarming Strangers,” the United States had made explicit nuclear threats against the DPRK on seven occasions.

But the end of the Cold War in 1991 presented an even more threatening situation. When the Soviet Union collapsed, and Russia disengaged from former Soviet bloc allies, North Korea suddenly suffered the equivalent of a 40 percent reduction in imports, and its industrial base imploded. The rigidly state-controlled economy was thrown into chaos.

Meanwhile, the unfavorable economic and military balance with South Korea had continued to grow in the final two decades of the Cold War. Whereas per capita GDP for the two Koreas had been virtually identical up to the mid-1970s, they had diverged dramatically by 1990, when per capita GDP in the South, which had more than twice the population of the North, was already four times greater than that of North Korea.

Furthermore, the North had been unable to invest in replacing its military technology, so had to make do with antiquated tanks, air defense systems and aircraft from the 1950s and 1960s, while South Korea had continued to receive the latest technology from the United States. And after serious economic crisis gripped the North, a large proportion of its ground forces had to be diverted to economic production tasks, including harvesting, construction and mining. Those realities made it increasingly clear to military analysts that the Korean People’s Army (KPA) no longer even had the capability to carry out an operation in South Korea for longer than a few weeks.

Finally, the Kim regime now found itself in the uncomfortable situation of being far more dependent on China for economic assistance than ever before. Faced with this powerful combination of threatening developments, DPRK founder Kim Il-Sung embarked immediately after the Cold War on a radically new security strategy: to use North Korea’s incipient nuclear and missile programs to draw the United States into a broader agreement that would establish a normal diplomatic relationship. The first move in that long strategic game came in January 1992, when the ruling Korean Workers’ Party Secretary Kim Young Sun revealed a startling new DPRK posture toward the United States in meetings with Undersecretary of State Arnold Kanter in New York. Sun told Kanter that Kim Il Sung wanted to establish cooperative relations with Washington and was prepared to accept a long-term U.S. military presence on the Korean Peninsula as a hedge against Chinese or Russian influence.

In 1994, the DPRK negotiated the agreed framework with the Clinton administration, committing to the dismantling of its plutonium reactor in return for much more proliferation-proof light water reactors and a U.S commitment to normalize political and economic relations with Pyongyang. But neither of those commitments was to be achieved immediately, and the U.S. news media and Congress were for the most part hostile to the central trade-off in the agreement. When the North Korea’s social and economic situation deteriorated even more seriously in the second half of the 1990s after being hit by serious floods and famine, the CIA issued reports suggesting the imminent collapse of the regime. So Clinton administration officials believed there was no need to move toward normalization of relations.

rest here

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dprks-denuclearization-project-south-korean-report-on-summit-discredits-u-s-elites-assumption/5632648
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سيف الله
03-27-2018, 11:52 PM
Salaam

Another update

Media Says North Korea's Nukes are Offensive. US Intel Says They're Not


The recent diplomatic breakthrough between the Trump administration and North Korea provides a hopeful opportunity for peaceful resolution to the crisis on the Korean peninsula. Immediately after the announcement, the media went into overdrive to try and undermine the development, worrying more about photographs of Kim Jung-Un than of preventing nuclear war.

This, however, is only the latest iteration in a long history of media reporting which has enabled an aggressive US foreign policy.

While the momentum during the Olympic Games was pushing towards détente, the Trump administration ramped up its “maximum pressure” campaign. Meanwhile, the media constantly reminded its audiences of the threat posed by North Korea’s nuclear weapons. A threat not only to the people of the region—but likely even the United States itself.

When faced with such a threat the bellicose posturing of the Trump administration seems perhaps to have been warranted. After all, if the US does not coerce North Korea into denuclearization, what else will protect us?

There is a problem though. This threat is not real. North Korea’s nuclear program—according to official US intelligence assessments—is defensive. Its overall military posture is designed to deter an attack – exactly the kind that Trump has threatened them with.

By falsely portraying North Korea as the aggressor, the press have functioned much in the same way that state-sponsored propaganda would, bolstering an aggressive foreign policy despite the chance that it will descend the world into a possible nuclear war.

The Threat of Deterrence

The most authoritative assessments of US military intelligence have repeatedly concluded that North Korea’s nuclear program is defensive.

The most recent report available, published by the Department of Defense in 2015, concludes that the military capabilities of the North are designed “to deter external attack.” North Korea’s “overarching national security objectives” are to develop nuclear weapons, gain recognition as a nuclear armed state, and thereby establish the “maintenance of a viable deterrent capability.” In terms of “North Korea’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs,” the DoD clearly explains that “DPRK (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea) leaders see these programs as necessary for a credible deterrent capability essential to its survival.”

A similar assessment is given in the 2013 report. The report notes that the objectives of the North Korean regime “have not changed markedly from those pursued by Kim Jong Il,” the country’s previous leader who came to power in the 1990’s. North Korean leaders have seen “these programs, absent normalized relations with the international community, as leading to a credible deterrence capability essential its goals of survival.”

Despite the public availability of these assessments, the mainstream media continues to portray these programs as offensive.

In a New York Times report from February 13, titled “U.S. Opens Door to North Korea Talks, a Victory for South’s President”, the authors uncritically quote Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, as saying that the current leader of North Korea, Kim Jung-Un, “probably sees nuclear ICBMs as leverage to achieve his long-term strategic ambition to end Seoul’s alliance with Washington and to eventually dominate the peninsula.”

While journalists routinely cite such statements from US intelligence officials uncritically, they eschew the most exhaustive assessments produced by the officials’ own agencies. If the DoD report from 2012 had been consulted, it would have been understood that while in the 60s & 70s the North did have “reason to believe its goal of reunification on its own terms was a possibility”, ever since the 1990s “North Korea has largely abandoned unilaterally enforced reunification as a practical goal.”

On the diplomatic side, the Times article explains that “the Trump administration has long resisted” the approach of peaceful negotiation because it does not want to “be drawn into a negotiation like that of the Clinton administration in 1994, which resulted in a deal North Korea later broke.” This last point is stated plainly as fact.

The secretary of defense for President Clinton at that time, who was directly involved in negotiating that deal, says the opposite.

William Perry explains that while the agreement was “imperfectly implemented” it did in fact “effectively halt the regime’s nuclear progress for a time.” Attempts to iron-out a more permanent agreement, which “were tantalizingly close”, only collapsed when the incoming Bush administration cut-off all dialogue with the North and “abandoned Clinton’s diplomatic plan for his own more confrontational model”, thereby losing “a priceless opportunity.”

Importantly, Perry also says that “while [the North Korean leadership] is evil and sometimes reckless,” it is not “crazy or suicidal.” It knows “that if it launches a nuclear attack, the American response would bring death to the leadership and devastation to its country. … The arsenal achieves its goal only if North Korea does not use it.”

By omitting this crucial context, the Times lends undo credibility to the Trump administration’s approach, and further enables the push towards possible nuclear war.

Hyping the Threat


3 More articles from February, The New York Times’, “Seeing Bounty Abroad, Will North Koreans Change Their Homeland?”, the Washington Post’s, “Did Kim Jong Un’s ‘historic’ missile get a boost from old Soviet weapons?”, and the Washington Post’s, “South Korean president says Olympics have lowered tensions with North”, all paint a similar picture.

In the Times piece, the main explanation of North Korea’s behavior is left to a University professor of Korean studies, who echoes the mainstream consensus when he says that North Korea “remains a menacing nuclear state.” No attempt is made to ask what might explain this seemingly erratic behavior, nor what it would feel like to be in North Korea’s shoes, to have the world’s superpower threaten to “totally destroy” your country. It is simply not considered whether such things have anything to do with those “menacing” defensive nukes.

The Washington Post articles add to the paranoia.

In the first, a vivid description is depicted of “the 75-foot-tall colossus… one of two intercontinental ballistic missiles to appear abruptly on North Korean launchpads last year, and the first with sufficient range to strike cities across the continental United States.”

In the second, the authors similarly describe how “the North has made rapid nuclear progress in recent years, and some experts say the country has successfully miniaturized a nuclear warhead - the kind of weapon it could use to target the U.S. mainland.” These articles descend to the level of scaremongering because they make no effort to ask why these capabilities are being built. If it was understood that the only way in which these “colossus” missiles would ever threaten “to target the U.S. mainland” is if the Trump administration launches an attack against North Korea first—thus provoking a retaliation—people might have harsher things to say about the administration’s behavior.

History is also turned on its head.


The Post tells its readers that “until recently, relations with North Korea seemed at a crisis point. North Korea was testing nuclear weapons, launching missiles toward Japan, all as President Trump said the United States was ‘locked and loaded’ to respond.” Another Washington Post piece, “The leaders of both Koreas feel like they won gold medals this week”, similarly frames the situation as the US simply responding to North Korean provocations: “After a year of threats, actual and rhetorical, fired from North Korea toward the United States, the sudden burst of inter-Korean diplomacy has turned the focus away from Washington, at least temporarily.”

The most prominent academic scholars say the actual history has been the opposite. Instead, the pattern has been one where a reduction in tensions initiated by the US usually results in a North Korean reciprocation. Conversely, when the US acts aggressively the North tends to respond in kind, usually with some kind of ballistic missile test.

According to one of the most prominent scholars on the subject, Leon V. Sigal, director of the Northeast Asia Cooperative Security Project at the Social Science Research Council in New York, “Pyongyang in fact has been playing tit for tat-reciprocating whenever Washington cooperates and retaliating whenever Washington reneges-in an effort to end enmity.”

Indeed, if the Trump-North Korea summit breaks down and the US increases its threats and war-games we can expect to see more missile tests from North Korea in response, and for the media to depict them as aggressive and hostile provocations.

Diplomatic Cover

The way the Washington Post decided to report on the Trump administration’s recent implementation of additional sanctions against North Korea, in “Trump administration unveils sanctions aimed at starving North Korea of resources”, was not to warn against the likelihood that they might undermine the slim opportunities for peaceful negotiations, nor to denounce the negative impact they will have on the wellbeing of the North Korean population—but to help justify the decision.

The sanctions come “as the Trump administration seeks new ways to intensify pressure on North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, whose increasingly advanced missile and nuclear weapon programs have made the isolated nation the most pressing foreign threat facing the United States.” For this statement to be taken seriously, the reader would have to believe that the North Korean leadership is not only brutal, but downright “crazy or suicidal.”

The article ends with Nikki Haley, the United States’ UN representative, extolling the practice of using economic suffering as diplomatic leverage, while also castigating the North Koreans for refusing to willfully curtail their attempts to defend themselves: “Even though North Korea has yet to end its nuclear and missile programs, we know the sanctions are having a real impact. The regime has less and less money to spend on its ballistic missile tests and less capacity to threaten other countries with those tests.”

The Post takes this account at face-value, offering no criticisms of its accuracy nor of its moral legitimacy. The perception that we have the right to threaten and coerce whoever we want while they do not have the right to defend against this seems to have transcended into the realm of unquestionable and accepted dogma.

The lasting consequence of this kind of reporting is to provide diplomatic cover for the aggressive policies of the US government, helping to justify actions that would likely be condemned if the population had access to the full picture.

It is precisely this type of priming of the narrative that enables pundits to throw scorn upon peaceful negotiations and to favor instead the threatening of aggression and war.

Indeed, it is only with the aid of the mass media that someone like Trump could have gotten away with threatening to “totally destroy” a country for attempting to defend itself, or for people to see military action taken against North Korea – the one thing that does threatens to send nukes into the United States – as necessary to protect the population from nukes.

http://undergroundreports.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/media-says-north-koreas-nukes-are.html?m=1
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سيف الله
03-29-2018, 05:25 AM
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سيف الله
04-17-2018, 11:15 PM
Salaam

Has Trump cut a deal Kim Jong-un?

North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official end to war


Ahead of a summit next week between North Korean premier Kim Jong Un and South Korean President Moon Jae-In, lawmakers from the neighboring states were thought to be negotiating the details of a joint statement that could outline an end to the military conflict between the two countries.

Pyongyang and Seoul have technically been at war since the 1950-1953 Korean conflict ended with a truce — and not a peace treaty.


North and South Korea are in talks to announce a permanent end to the officially declared military conflict between the two countries, daily newspaper Munhwa Ilbo reported Tuesday, citing an unnamed South Korean official.

Ahead of a summit next week between North Korean premier Kim Jong Un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in, lawmakers from the neighboring states were thought to be negotiating the details of a joint statement that could outline an end to the confrontation.

Kim and Moon could also discuss returning the heavily fortified demilitarized zone separating them to its original state, the newspaper said.

Pyongyang and Seoul have technically been at war since the 1950-1953 Korean conflict ended with a truce — and not a peace treaty. Geopolitical tensions have occasionally flared up since the armistice, although to date both countries have managed to avoid another devastating conflict.

A successful summit between the Koreas later this month could help pave the way for a meeting between Kim and President Donald Trump. The U.S. president and North Korean leader are poised to hold talks in late May or June, according to the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/north-and-south-korea-reportedly-set-to-announce-official-end-to-war.html
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سيف الله
04-18-2018, 08:13 PM
Salaam

Another update, a lot going on behind the scenes.

Secret Pompeo Mission to North Korea Shows Trump’s Trust in Spies Over Diplomats

PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump’s decision to send his C.I.A. director, Mike Pompeo, on a secret trip to North Korea to meet its leader, Kim Jong-un, reflects the president’s trust in Mr. Pompeo as well as the central role that spies, rather than diplomats, played in brokering what could be the historic opening between Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim.

Mr. Pompeo, nominated by Mr. Trump last month as secretary of state, played advance man for the president, laying the groundwork for a planned meeting between the American and North Korean leaders that has been shrouded in mystery ever since the president unexpectedly agreed to it in early March.

“Meeting went very smoothly and a good relationship was formed,” Mr. Trump said in an early morning tweet before he went golfing with Japan’s visiting prime minister, Shinzo Abe. “Details of Summit are being worked out now. Denuclearization will be a great thing for World, but also for North Korea!”



Rest here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/world/asia/trump-pompeo-north-korea.html
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سيف الله
04-27-2018, 06:30 PM
Salaam

Momentous events happening on the Korean peninsula, but lets not get ahead of ourselves



Hate to admit but Trumps 'unorthodox' negotiation tactics (or gangsterism) seems to have played a part.

Trumps response.





More comment.


Mark Fischer


Congratulations to President Trump who achieved peace through American strength. President Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for what he accomplished. President Obama was awarded one for what he didn't. In less than a year and a half, President Trump has achieved in Korea what no other President could over the last 70 years. Had Hillary Clinton been elected we'd have been in WWIII already.

Why did Kim Jong Un agree to peace? Because he went to Russia and China and their leaders told him that when President Trump threatened to destroy North Korea he wasn't kidding. And he wasn't. Emergency food shipments should be sent to North Korea ASAP. Now for the bad news. The mountain over North Korea's nuclear test site has collapsed as President Trump had warned. The possibility of radioactive contamination is a serious threat to the region and the world. A lot of responsibility for this is assignable to China. As a result China may find major areas that support its economy are going to become uninhabitable.


Peter Hitchens take

I am going to keep saying it. North Korea is desperate, and wants to escape from its Cold War prison. It is bankrupt and once again close to famine.

But if we are to settle things peacefully, it is going to cost the West a lot of money. Reunifying Germany worked because we recognised this. We have messed up our relationship with Russia, possibly fatally, because we failed to see the need for a modern equivalent of Marshall Aid.


http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
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سيف الله
04-29-2018, 06:15 AM
Salaam

Another update

North Korea's Kim promises transparency in nuclear site shutdown as Trump presses for full denuclearization

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has pledged to close the country’s nuclear test site in May in full view of the outside world, Seoul officials said on Sunday, as U.S. President Trump pressed for total denuclearization ahead of his own unprecedented meeting with Kim.

On Friday, Kim and South Korean President Moon Jae-in vowed “complete denuclearization” of the Korean peninsula in the first inter-Korean summit in more than a decade, but the declaration did not include concrete steps to reach that goal.

North Korea’s state media had said before the summit that Pyongyang would immediately suspend nuclear and missile tests, scrap its nuclear test site and instead pursue economic growth and peace.

Kim told Moon that he would soon invite experts and journalists from the United States and South Korea to “transparently open to the international community” the dismantling of the facilities, the Blue House said.

“Kim said if the United States holds dialogue with the North, they would realise that he’s not the kind of person who would fire a nuclear missile toward the South, over the Pacific or targeting the United States,” Moon’s press secretary Yoon Young-chan told a news briefing.

“If the United States meets often and builds trust with us and promises an end of war and non-aggression, why would we lead a difficult life?” Yoon reported Kim as saying.

Kim said there were two additional, larger tunnels that remain “alive and well” at the Punggye-ri test site beyond the existing one, which experts have said had collapsed after repeated explosions, rendering much of the site useless.

Kim’s promise shows his willingness to “preemptively and actively” respond to inspection efforts to be made as part of the denuclearization process, Yoon said.

To facilitate future cross-border cooperation, Kim pledged to scrap the unique time zone Pyongyang created in 2015. He said the North would move its clocks forward 30 minutes to be in sync with the South, nine hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time.

Kim also reaffirmed that he would not use military force against the South and raised the need for an institutional mechanism to prevent unintended escalations, Yoon said.

NEXT STEPS


Late Saturday, U.S. President Donald Trump told Moon in a phone call that he was pleased the leaders of the two Koreas reaffirmed the goal of complete denuclearization during their summit, Seoul officials said on Sunday.

Moon and Trump agreed on the need for an early summit between Trump and Kim, and explored two to three potential locations, the Blue House said.

A senior U.S. official has said Singapore is being considered as a possible venue for the Trump-Kim summit.

“Trump said it was good news for not only the two Koreas but the whole world that they affirmed the goal of realising a nuclear-free Korean peninsula through a complete denuclearization,” South Korea’s presidential Blue House said. “Trump was looking forward to talks with Kim and there would be a very good result.”

Trump, who called the 75-minute chat “a long and very good talk” on Twitter, said his summit with Kim would take place sometime in the next three to four weeks.

“It’s going be a very important meeting, the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula,” he said at a campaign rally in Washington, Michigan, on Saturday.

The White House said Trump and Moon during the call “emphasized that a peaceful and prosperous future for North Korea is contingent upon its complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization.”

Trump had also informed Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe that he would urge North Korea to promptly resolve its abductions of Japanese citizens, the White House said.

Most of the specific commitments outlined in the official declaration signed by Kim and Moon focused on inter-Korean relations and did not clear up the question of whether Pyongyang is willing to give up its arsenal of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

North Korea’s state media on Saturday released the joint statement as part of a multi-page spread with more than 60 photos from the visit, lauding Friday’s summit as a turning point for the peninsula.

It made rare mentions of the denuclearization discussion, but did not go into detail, instead highlighting the broad themes of peace, prosperity, and Korean unity.

‘AMICABLE ATMOSPHERE’


“At the talks both sides had a candid and open-hearted exchange of views on the matters of mutual concern including the issues of improving the North-South relations, ensuring peace on the Korean Peninsula and the denuclearization of the peninsula,” KCNA said.

It added that the night wrapped up with a dinner that had an “amicable atmosphere overflowing with feelings of blood relatives.”

The declaration earned guarded but optimistic praise from world leaders, including Trump, who said on Friday that only time would tell, but that he did not think Kim was “playing.”

“It’s never gone this far. This enthusiasm for them wanting to make a deal ... We are going to hopefully make a deal.”

Still, Trump said he would maintain pressure on North Korea and “not repeat the mistakes of past administrations.”

In Sydney on Saturday, Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull praised Trump’s negotiations on North Korea and said he helped bring the two Korean leaders together.

“I have given him that credit because Donald Trump has taken a very, very strong, hard line on the denuclearization issue and he has been able to bring in the support of the global community and, in particular, China,” Turnbull told a televised news conference, referring to “overwhelming” economic ties between China and North Korea.

“What we’ve now got to do is not relent on the economic pressure until that goal is achieved,” he said.

Australia will send a military aircraft to monitor North Korean vessels suspected of transferring illicit goods in defiance of U.N. sanctions, he said.

Iran, facing a possible U.S. exit from its nuclear deal with world powers, welcomed the inter-Korean summit, but said Washington was not a “qualified” partner in the negotiations.

“Iran sees (the summit) as an important step in the right direction that can contribute to lasting regional and global peace and security,” Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi was quoted as saying by state media.

“The U.S. government is not a credible actor, doesn’t comply with its international obligations and doesn’t qualify to take part in arrangements between countries,” Qasemi added.

An editorial in the official China Daily on Saturday said denuclearization could end hostilities between the two sides and “usher in a new era of development” on the peninsula, but noted Friday’s declaration lacked a plan for achieving the goal.

“The denuclearization of the peninsula, written into the Panmunjom Declaration, is only a prospect with no specific plan. That is because such specifics can be reached only between the US and North Korea, and South Korea has only limited authority to bargain,” it said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1HZ0QR
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anatolian
04-29-2018, 12:27 PM
I would trust Trump as much I would trust a snake. He might be just laughing insidiously. He thinks he has right to push NK and Iran to close the nuclear sites but who has right to push America to do the same? Why no one talks about the nuclear weapons America has?
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سيف الله
04-30-2018, 11:29 AM
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Kim Jong Un’s new diplomacy: miracle or a mirage?

The North Korean leader has approached the negotiating table. The question is why?


The cigarette stuck between his fingers has disappeared, his wife is suddenly a more visible first lady, and his media apparatus has shed the habitual insults and display of missiles. In just a few months, Kim Jong Un has engineered the most extraordinary makeover of both his persona and his regime.

The reclusive leader terrified of leaving Pyongyang has shown up in China for a summit with President Xi Jinping. On Friday, he holds his first face-to-face talks with South Korea’s leader, Moon Jae-in. If all goes to plan, in a few weeks he will clinch the big prize: a meeting with Donald Trump.

Most curious is Mr Kim’s sudden shift from belligerence to diplomatic accommodation. In dizzying succession, he has declared himself ready to discuss the de-nuclearisation of his regime; he is no longer opposed to the joint American-South Korean military exercises that have triggered his fury in the past; he has dropped his demands for the withdrawal of the 28,000 US troops stationed in South Korea; and, most recently, pledged to suspend missile testing and close down a nuclear test site.

As Jung Pak, a former US intelligence officer now at the Brookings Institution, puts it, Mr Kim’s attitude to diplomacy seems the same as that to building up a nuclear arsenal: go big and bold. “As it turns out,” she writes, “Kim is not just good at maximum pressure, he’s also pretty good at maximum engagement.”

One could attribute this miraculous transformation to Mr Trump’s negotiating genius, as many of his officials do. By raising the stakes with punishing economic sanctions and a credible readiness to launch a pre-emptive strike on Pyongyang, the US president has forced a capitulation. According to this view, Mr Kim is swapping nuclear weapons as the guarantee of his regime’s survival for an American insurance policy.

There is, however, a more sceptical analysis that makes more sense given the history of the regime and the nature of the US president. Like many governments around the world trying to manage their way through the presidency of Mr Trump, Mr Kim is playing for time. His moves are designed to secure a Trump summit that would amount to a recognition of North Korea’s status as a nuclear power. Mr Kim’s transformation may not be the diplomatic breakthrough it seems, but an illusion — a shrewd diplomatic manoeuvre that turns the greatest threat to his regime into a great opportunity.

On closer examination, Mr Kim has made no significant concession yet. His vision of de-nuclearisation could amount to no more than a moratorium. Moreover, after testing the first ballistic missile North Korea claims can reach the US, Mr Kim said last year that there was no need for further tests — which makes the weekend announcement of no new tests less meaningful.

A long and fraught history of negotiations with North Korea also calls for suspicion. During the six-party talks (involving North Korea, South Korea, the US, Japan, China and Russia) in 2002 to 2005, Pyongyang promised to abandon its nuclear weapons and shut down its programme. The negotiations collapsed over disagreement on verification. Then again in 2012, a US-North Korean deal to freeze work in one nuclear reactor fell apart as soon as it was agreed.

Former negotiators worry that Mr Kim is exploiting Mr Trump’s obsessive need for self-aggrandisement. “All the summit banter has been focused on what North Korea will do, yet there is little scrutiny of what we will give,” says Victor Cha, a former White House adviser who has negotiated with North Korea. Mr Kim’s goal, he says, has always been an agreement that would partially freeze the nuclear programme, not the complete verifiable disarmament the US has sought. A partial deal, he argues, “could be spun by Donald Trump as a victory . . . but it would realise North Korea’s long-term objective, which is formal recognition by the US as a nuke weapons state.”

Once Mr Kim pockets the Trump summit he can haggle for months, if not years, over the details of an agreement, during which time he can master his new statesmanlike image with the threat of a US military strike receding into the distance.

https://www.ft.com/content/c3698b84-...9-4b5ddcca99b3
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Futuwwa
05-01-2018, 07:15 PM
Junon, don't buy into Western media hype and demonization of North Korea.

A peace treaty where the USA and South Korea recognize North Korea and let it exist as it is, Juche regime and all, is what the North Korean government has been trying to achieve since the Cold War ended. It knows it's the best it can hope for, given the balance of power in the foreseeable future. Belligerent rhetoric aside, its militarization has been about deterring any attempts by the USA to pull off a regime change, by making sure it has the ability to retaliate massively. Which it has, in the form of a massive amount of artillery spread along the entire border, in fortified mountain positions. All of it within firing range of Seoul, which it could turn into blood-soaked rubble in a matter of hours.

More often than not, it is the US government which has refused to make such a peace, instead having taken the line that North Korea is evil and the only acceptable outcome is that North Korea surrenders. Trump hasn't coerced Kim into giving in, he's in fact about to give Kim what Kims #1 to #3 have tried to achieve for near three decades by now. Trump would, being Trump, very much though want everyone to believe that he has forced Kim to it and sealed the deal through his negotiation genius. Kim probably won't contradict him, he'll let Trump spin the whole thing for his own aggrandizement as long as it means he'll be more likely to go through with and honour the agreement.
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JustTime
06-06-2018, 11:48 PM
North Korea Has Been Sending Chemical Weapons Supplies to Syria, U.N. Report Finds

http://time.com/5178695/north-korea-syria-chemical-weapons-un/
Experts from the United Nations have found that North Korea has been providing Syria with supplies that could be used to make chemical weapons.
The as-yet-unreleased U.N. report details that items including acid-resistant tiles, valves and thermometers were shipped from North Korea to the Syrian government, the New York Times reports. U.N. investigators also say Pyongyang missile experts were seen working in Syrian chemical weapons and missile facilities.
The United States and other nations have long accused the Syrian government of using chemical weapons on civilians. The U.N. report comes as Syrian forces have been accused of attacks on civilians in the Damascus suburb of eastern Ghouta with what is believed to be chlorine gas.
Trade between North Korea and Syria poses a serious risk, allowing Syria to maintain chemical weapons and North Korea to fund its nuclear program, the 200 page report highlights.
At least 40 unreported shipments from North Korea to Syria between 2012 and 2017 included prohibited ballistic missile parts and supplies, according the report. It remains unclear whether the report will be released.
“I think the overarching message is that all member states have a duty and responsibility to abide by the sanctions that are in place.”Stéphane Dujarric, a United Nations spokesperson, told reporters on Tuesday, according to the Times.
The investigating panel comprised of eight experts in various fields including weapons of mass destruction, maritime transport and customs controls. The Security Council has commissioned the group since 2010 to investigate the circumvention of sanctions.
Read More: A Photographer Bears Witness to a Suspected Chlorine Attack in Syria
While the report does not necessarily prove ongoing collaboration between the two countries, it marks “an important breakthrough,” William Newcomb, who was a member of the U.N. panel of experts on North Korea from 2011 to 2014, told the Times. The report also highlights the shortcomings of international sanctions, and criticizes Russia and China for failing to enforce sanctions.
Though Syria signed the Chemical Weapons Convention in 2013 and vowed to destroy its stock of chemical weapons, Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad has repeatedly been accused of using banned chemical weapons throughout the Syrian civil war.
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سيف الله
06-12-2018, 02:05 AM
Salaam

Looks like it happend, Kim and Trump meet in Singapore.



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Silas
06-12-2018, 01:45 PM
When they are talking, they aren't shooting at each other. let's hope this develops into a long-term agreement
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Abz2000
06-12-2018, 02:41 PM
For a long time (since around 2008-2009) the feeling that the red, white, and blue north korean regime has been working with the American regime in keeping a controlled competition going before the global audience with the explicit aim of justifying ongoing expenditure on nuclear weapons - has been returning on and off. They (secularist extremists) all work under the same usurious banking system against the people of the planet.

As long as these crooks are able to keep people taking sides whilst forgetting truth and justice by Allah's measure - they'll keep the cheering "us-or-them "game" " going.

It doesn't make much difference who you vote for if you don't vote for Allah, since you'll inevitably vote for at least partial enslavement to the dupes of satan.





I recall the day when my cousin asked me to help fund some players for his cricket team - and after the match they were taking photos of holding the winner trophy in the courtyard.
It was only when they put the trophy up on the showcase and then went back to the courtyard to take photos of the "runner up" trophy that my older brother asked what on earth was going on ...... simple, we'd funded the runner up team too......





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22. And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
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29. But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30. Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
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We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay! Quran 2:87
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31. There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32. And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34. And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35. For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

From Mark 3




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سيف الله
06-12-2018, 06:38 PM
Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
When they are talking, they aren't shooting at each other. let's hope this develops into a long-term agreement
Yes, looks like I underestimated Trump, maybe for all his bombast (among many reasons to misdirect his enemies in the deep state) he wanted a a deal all along. Lets not forget when Trump was elected the North Korean leadership were initially happy with the result, thinking he was a man they could do business with.

They would be foolish to trust Trump given his record, mind you we will see how this plays, its early days yet,










Hah nice comment

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Abz2000
06-13-2018, 09:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Junon
Salaam



Yes, looks like I underestimated Trump, maybe for all his bombast (among many reasons to misdirect his enemies in the deep state) he wanted a a deal all along. Lets not forget when Trump was elected the North Korean leadership were initially happy with the result, thinking he was a man they could do business with.

They would be foolish to trust Trump given his record, mind you we will see how this plays, its early days yet,


Dajjāl (Arabic: دجال) is an adjective of Syriac origin.[2] It is also a common Arabic superlative form of the root word dajl meaning "lie" or "deception".[3] Al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl, with the definite article al- ("the"), refers to "the deceiving Messiah", a specific end times deceiver.
The Dajjāl is an evil being who will seek to impersonate the true Messiah.

The name Dajjal also is rooted in an Arabic word dajel, which means "to gold plate" or "to coat in gold". It is derived from word meaning "to mix".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masih_ad-Dajjal

Verily in the presence of the Last Hour, there would be … false testimony and concealing evidence.
(Ahmad and Hakim)
There will be false accusation of unchastity and slander.
(Tirmidhi)

In the End Times, people will be carrying out their trade but hardly will there be a trustworthy person.
(Bukhari and Muslim)


The day of Judgment will not come until the very lowest people are the happiest.
(Tirmidhi)


There will be years of deceit, in which a truthful person will be disbelieved and a liar will be believed
(Ibn Kathir)

The time will be years of confusion. People will believe a liar, and disbelieve one who tells the truth. People will distrust one who is trustworthy, and trust one who is treacherous.
(Ahmad)

http://www.signsofthelastday.com/hadiths_07.html









I am not the destroyer.



http://www.metacafe.com/watch/mv-MRw...the_destroyer/


Also:

https://www.islamicboard.com/compara...ml#post2994274
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سيف الله
06-16-2018, 09:48 AM
Salaam

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Putting the Trump-Kim Summit in Perspective

With great fanfare, the much-touted Trump-Kim summit took place in Singapore on June 11th. Considered the greatest handshake in history the meeting resulted in a joint statement by US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Just 4 months ago US president was hurling insults at his counterpart calling him “Little Rocket Man” and a “deranged dotard.” The global media went into overdrive as Trump is the first sitting US president to meet any North Korea dictator. This event is the latest move by the US to regain the initiative on the Korean peninsula, but with many of the thorny details, yet to be worked out, there is plenty of room for the US-North Korea dialogue to break down.


The origins of the tensions go back to the manner in which the victorious allies determined the division of the Korean Peninsula. After Japan’s defeat in World War II, the UN constructed the administration of Korea. The UN divided the peninsula into two zones of administration: the Soviet Union to the North and the US to the South. North Korea refused to participate in a UN supervised election held in the South in 1948, which led to the creation of separate Korean governments for the two occupation zones. Both North and South Korea claimed sovereignty over the Korean Peninsula as a whole, which led to the Korean War.

North Korea invaded the South, using Soviet tanks and weaponry, China also joined the war on the side of Communist North Korea, the threat of communist expansion led to the US defending South Korea and by 1953 the US ended the war in a ceasefire agreement. The two countries never signed a peace treaty. Today the Korean Peninsula remains divided, the Korean Demilitarized Zone acts as the de facto border. With North Korea remaining in poverty and dominated by a ruling family, North Korea thereafter began a uranium enrichment program in order to possess nuclear weapons which have exacerbated tension between South Korea and the North and the US ever since.

The US did not have formal diplomatic relations with North Korea. But despite this the US in 1986 demanded detailed information on North Korea’s nuclear programme, which North Korea refused to hand over to the US, instead it gave those detailed documents running into 19,000 pages to China. An agreement was reached between the US and North Korea in 1994 regarding North Korea’s nuclear reactors. This agreement called for North Korea to bring to halt its nuclear programme and shut down its Yongbyon reactors. This was in exchange for the US supplying two light-water type reactors. But the US failed to honor its part of the promise and hence North Korea resumed its nuclear activities. This has been the case ever since, the US offers a range of promises which do not materialize so North Korea continues with its nuclear programme. For North Korea nuclear weapons is its only bargaining tool.

It has now become a regular occurrence for there to be an incident at least once a year between North Korea and the US, where we see the military movement of both nations; nuclear tests by North Korea and US long range bombers and aircraft carriers moving into the region. The outcome in all these cases is the same, escalation turns into talks which de-escalate matters. This cycle usually repeats itself on an annual basis. When Trump took office like all his predecessors he used plenty of bluster and rhetoric against North Korea, but this time matters were different.

Today the US has exhausted most options in dealing with North Korea, whilst other options are not realistic anymore. One of the options for US is to use its military to conduct surgical strikes on North Korea’s nuclear sites. The problem with such a strategy is that North Korea would be certain to hit back hard, using its own large arsenal of artillery to strike at America’s allies, South Korea and Japan. That would likely kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of people — including the 28,000 US troops stationed in South Korea and thousands of others in Japan — even before nuclear weapons were dropped. So, Trump faced the unenviable reality that using America’s military has huge costs and not just immense consequences but also potentially catastrophic consequences. The other option was to impose economic sanctions on North Korea, so it would conclude that the costs of continuing its nuclear programs were too high. But many items the country wants and needs, like weapons and fuel, are already highly sanctioned by the US. Despite all this, North Korea hasn’t changed its course.

Where Trump changed his posture was when the US was caught off-guard by South Korean President Moon Jae-In’s aggressive normalisation efforts with North Korea. This even led to the North Korean dictator’s sister attending the Winter Games in South Korea as an official guest. This came on the back of Kim Jong Un turning up in China unexpectedly and showed a political process was taking place without the US. It was in this context Trump completely changed his aggressive posture and worked to retake the initiative by agreeing to a summit meeting with Kim Jong-Un.

The summit joint statement talks of lofty issues of denuclearization, establishing new bilateral relations, making a joint effort to establish lasting peace on the Korean Peninsula etc but had no details, framework or timeline.

But the underlying strategic reality remains, America’s engagement with North Korea, as with its aggression in Vietnam 50 years ago, is part of a broader strategy directed against the rise of China. North Korea provides America with the justification to strongly militarise directly on the Chinese border. The crisis also serves to keep the Chinese leadership preoccupied and engaged. It follows that American actions against North Korea form part of a strategy of political manoeuvring in pursuit of a grander aim, China.

http://www.khilafah.com/putting-the-trump-kim-summit-in-perspective/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_s ource=socialnetwork
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Abz2000
06-16-2018, 05:18 PM
The global fiat economy is approaching a massive downturn and the method being used to mask it and keep government coffers filled despite the low trade is via both secular governments milking more from the predicted reduced imports.

All of these secularist economies are tied together through the usury system so there's no real conflict - the usurers plan to do what they normally do too - and that is: increase usury rates, but this time - force in the secular government regulated digital currencies after milking and imploding the current "alternative" digital currencies which the usury barons were behind anyway.

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Rothschilds at work - and i saw that seven fat lions were devouring seven starved tigers....

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The Cabinet cited other causes of the famine rarely mentioned in latter-day denunciations of Churchill:
....the shortages were “partly political in character, caused by Marwari supporters of Congress [Gandhi’s party] in an effort to embarrass the existing Muslim Government of Bengal.”
Another cause, they added, was corrupt local officials: “The Government of India were unduly tender with speculators and hoarders.”.....

https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.e...bengal-famine/

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https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/


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The first, the Bengal famine of 1770, is estimated to have taken the lives of nearly one-third of the population of the region—about 10 million people.[25] The impact of the famine caused East India Company revenues from Bengal to decline to £174,300 in 1770–71. The stock price of the East India Company fell sharply as a result. The company was forced to obtain a loan of £1 million from the Bank of England to fund the annual military budget of between £60,000–1 million.[26] Attempts were later made to show that net revenue was unaffected by the famine, but this was possible only because the collection had been "violently kept up to its former standard".[27][fn 4] The 1901 Famine Commission found that twelve famines and four "severe scarcities" took place between 1765 and 1858.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India

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Bengal Famine of 1770
The Bengal famine of 1770 was a catastrophic famine that between 1769 and 1773 affected the lower Gangetic plain of India. The famine is supposed to have caused the deaths of an estimated 10 million people, approximately one-third of the population at the time.
Background
The famine occurred in the territory which was called Bengal, then ruled by the British East India Company. This territory included modern West Bengal, Bangladesh, and parts of Assam, Orissa, Bihar, and Jharkhand. It was originally a province of the Mughal empire, from the 16th century, and was ruled by a Nawab, or governor. The Nawab had become effectively independent by the beginning of the 18th century, though in theory was still a tributary power of the Great Mughal in Delhi.
In the 17th century, the British East India Company had been given a grant on the town of Calcutta, by the Mughal emperor Akbar. At this time the Company was effectively another tributary power of the Mughal. During the following century, the Company obtained sole trading rights for the province, and went on to become the dominant power in Bengal. In 1757, at the battle of Plassey, the British defeated the then Nawab, Siraj Ud Daulah, and plundered the Bengali treasury. In 1764 their military control was reaffirmed at Buxar. The subsequent treaty gained them the Diwani, that is the taxation rights: in effect, the Company became the ruler of Bengal.

The famine
About 10 million people, approximately one third of the population of the affected area, are thought to have died in the famine. The regions in which the famine occurred included especially the modern Indian states of Bihar and West Bengal, but the famine also extended into Orissa and Jharkhand, as well as modern Bangladesh. Among the worst affected areas were Birbhum and Murshidabad, in Bengal, and Tirhut, Champaran and Bettiah, in Bihar.
A partial shortfall in crops, considered nothing out of the ordinary, occurred in 1768 and was followed in late 1769 by more severe conditions. By September 1769 there was a severe drought, and alarming reports were coming in of rural distress. These were, however, ignored by Company officers.
By early 1770 there was starvation, and, by mid 1770, deaths from starvation were occurring on a large scale. There were also reports of the living feeding on the bodies of the dead in the middle of that year. Smallpox and other diseases further took their toll of the population
. Later in 1770, good rainfall resulted in a good harvest and the famine abated. However, other shortfalls occurred in the following years, raising the total death toll.
As a result of the famine large areas were depopulated and returned to jungle for decades to come, as the survivors migrated in mass in a search for food. Many cultivated lands were abandoned: much of Birbhum, for instance, returned to jungle and was virtually impassable for decades afterwards. From 1772, bands of bandits and thugs became an established feature of Bengal, and these were only controlled by punitive actions in the 1780s.

East India Company responsibilities
Fault for the famine is now often ascribed to the British East India Company policies in Bengal. As a trading body, its first remit was to maximise its profits and with taxation rights the profits to be obtained from Bengal came from land tax as well as trade tariffs. As lands came under company control, the land tax was typically raised by 3 to 4 times what it had been – from 10-15% up to 50% of the value of the agricultural produce. In the first years of the rule of the British East India Company, the total land tax income was doubled and most of this revenue flowed out of the country. As the famine approached its height, in April of 1770, the Company announced that land tax for the following year was to be increased by 10%.
The company is also criticised for forbidding the "hoarding" of rice. This prevented traders and dealers from laying in reserves that in other times would have tided the population over lean periods.
By the time of the famine, monopolies in grain trading had been established by the Company and its agents. The Company had no plan for dealing with the grain shortage, and actions were only taken insofar as they affected the mercantile and trading classes. Land revenue decreased by 14% during the affected year, but recovered rapidly (Kumkum Chatterjee). According to McLane, the first governor-general of British India, Warren Hastings, acknowledged "violent" tax collecting after 1771: revenues earned by the Company were higher in 1771 than in 1768 [1]. Globally, the profit of the Company increased from 15 million rupees in 1765 up to 30 million rupees in 1777.

References
Romesh Chunder Dutt, The Economic History of India under early British Rule, Routledge, 2001, ISBN 0-415-24493-5
John R. McLane, Land and Local Kingship in 18th century Bengal, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0-521-52654-X
Kumkum Chatterjee, Merchants, Politics and Society in Early Modern India: Bihar: 1733-1820, Brill Academic Publishers, 1996, ISBN 90-04-10303-1
Brooks Adams, The Laws of Civilizations and Decay. An Essays on History, New York, 1898
External links
Section VII from Dharampal, India Before British Rule and the Basis for India's Resurgence, 1998.
Chapter IX. The famine of 1770 in Bengal in John Fiske, The Unseen World, and other essays
History of West Bengal & Calcutta
First World Hegemony and Mass Mortality - from Bengal to Afghanistan and Iraq
R.C. Dutt, The Economic History of India.
Bengal Famine of 1770
October 2006

http://www.cambridgeforecast.org/MIDDLEEAST/BENGAL.html




The British engineered some of the worst holocausts in world. Of the many that they engineered, the Bengal Famine (actually multiple) were so horrific that even Hitler would hang his head down in shame and even Jews would stop blabbering about their ‘6 Million’ (a figure that they have been historically using long since World War I started). In this article on 1770 Bengal Famine facts, we will walk you through the first major famine engineered by British Empire in Indian subcontinent and we strongly believe that every British should get down on his / her knees and utter just one word to India – SORRY! They cannot give monetary reparations to India because they don’t have the financial power but a simple SORRY will be just fine.



Let us begin…

1770 Bengal Famine Facts: 1-5

1. During the British Raj in India, the subcontinent experienced countless famines and the worst hit was Bengal. The first Bengal Famine came in 1770.

2. The other ones that had hit Bengal were in the years 1783, 1866, 1873, 1892, 1897 and finally in 1943. All of them were severe but the one that stands out is the famine of 1943.

3. The first Bengal Famine of 1770 was ghastly brutal. The signs of the onslaught started showing a year before in 1769 and Bengal was hit by the disaster in 1770, which continued till 1773.

4. An estimated 10 million people in Bengal province died – that’s 4 million more than the claimed 6 million Jews being incarcerated during World War II.



5. John Fiske – American historian and philosopher wrote in his book titled ‘The Unseen World’ that the Bengal Famine of 1770 was way deadlier than Black Death that took whole of Europe in its embrace during the 14th century.

1770 Bengal Famine Facts: 6-10

6. Before the advent of the British, the Mughals had a simple policy. The peasants were made to pay 10% to 15% of the cash harvest to the Emperor. The tribute (taxes) thus paid created a massive treasury for Mughal rulers.

7. The treasury was a fall back option just in case the weather in following years didn’t permit proper harvest. The treasury would then be diverted to peasants and general populace.

8. It wasn’t unusual for peasants to face what is called ‘Partial Crop Failure’. After paying 10% to 15% tribute to the emperor, peasants would still have surplus stock at their hands to help them during times of partial crop failure. This method worked just fine.

9. Then things changed in 1765. That was the year when Treaty of Allahabad was signed between British East India Company and Shah Alam II – the Mughal Emperor.

10. The Treaty of Allahabad shifted the tax collecting power to the hands of British East India Company. The company suddenly increased the tribute (as they preferred to call it instead of taxes) were increased to 50%. The peasants had no idea that the money had changed hands and that the taxes were now going to British East India Company and not the emperor.

1770 Bengal Famine Facts: 11-15

11. Partial crop failure occurred in 1768. It was nothing out of the ordinary. But in 1769, the rain was dismal. Alarming reports started to float around from rural areas of Bengal Province that was now under British control.

12. The province consisted mainly of modern day West Bengal and Bangladesh and even parts of Orissa, Bihar, Assam and Jharkhand. These were the worst hit areas. Dismal rain resulted in loss of harvest.

13. Peasants in these areas were by this time in serious condition. The surplus was gone because of extra taxation. By early 1770 starvation had already set it. By middle of the year, the starvation of so severe and large scale that people who lived were reported to be eating the dead.

14. In Bengal, the worst hit areas were Murshidabad and Birbhum. Thousands of peasants and common populace decided to migrate to other places hoping to find better conditions. Things didn’t work out the way they thought. They died and those who stayed behind, died as well.

15. Farmers abandoned huge tracts of farmlands and the British did nothing to revert the conditions. The farmlands became inhabitable jungles over time.

1770 Bengal Famine Facts: 16-20

16. Unlike the Mughal rulers, the British were totally blind the effects of the famine. The Indian rulers, at times of famines, would take measures like:

Waiving off the taxes completely.
Using treasury to provide food the affected people.
Implement irrigation projects to provide as much relief they could to the peasants.

17. Diametrically opposite to what the Mughals did, the British actually went on to increase the taxation to 60% in 1771 when the famine was at its peak and killing people left and right.

18. By increasing the taxes to 60%, the British wanted to make up for their losses in terms of tax collection and intended to fill up their treasury.

19. Because many peasants died, there were only a few left to cultivate. This resulted in fewer crops. Fewer crops meant less revenue for the surviving peasants and in turn, increased taxation meant more pressure on surviving peasants.

20. To make things worse, the British had, after taking over from the Mughals, ordered cultivation of cash crops like poppy, indigo and other items that had high market value.

1770 Bengal Famine Facts: 21-25

21. The farmers used to grow vegetables and paddy and this sudden change in crops led to shortage of edible crops. Absence of back up of edible crops killed more people.

22. The rice that was already produced before the onset of the famine was deliberately hoarded by the British and not released. The revenue collected from land taxation mainly flowed out of India to Britain.......



Churchill was actually diverting food to soldiery in his war games - and making the resultant famine out to be a nuisance, and using the catastrophe as a tool to get the locals who had been set on each other to accept crooked british banker and government solutions.

Peace, order and a high condition of war-time well-being among the masses of the people constitute the essential foundation of the forward thrust against the enemy….The hard pressures of world-war have for the first time for many years brought conditions of scarcity, verging in some localities into actual famine, upon India. Every effort must be made, even by the diversion of shipping urgently needed for war purposes, to deal with local shortages….Every effort should be made by you to assuage the strife between the Hindus and Moslems and to induce them to work together for the common good.6
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Karl
06-17-2018, 01:04 AM
I wonder where Kim is going to stash his nukes.
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سيف الله
06-17-2018, 06:43 PM
Salaam

Another update

Blurb

BAKU - The demilitarized zone that runs across the Korean Peninsula seems like the outcome of the armed conflict that devastated the area in the 1950s. However, an in-depth examination of Korea’s modern history reveals how the peninsula was caught in a tug of war between regional and Western powers. Thereby, planting the seeds that would ultimately result in the division of the Korean nation into north and south.

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سيف الله
09-08-2018, 03:05 PM
Salaam

A little old but like to share. A different perspective.

Blurb

North Korea’s Kim Jong-Un is a rational mastermind who does anything and everything to stay in power, even with most of the world against him.

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سيف الله
09-19-2018, 10:01 AM
Salaam

Hmmm seems progress towards peace is being made.

Blurb


South Korean President Moon Jae-in and the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un have signed a joint statement following their bilateral talks in Pyongyang. The countries’ defense chiefs have meanwhile signed a separate military pact.

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سيف الله
02-27-2019, 08:35 PM
Salaam

Another update, Trump and Kim have met again. Taking place in Hanoi Vietnam.







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سيف الله
03-06-2019, 08:31 PM
Salaam

Hmmm the summit didnt go to well.

North Korea 'restoring' rocket site after Trump nuclear talks collapse

Satellite imagery appears to show that the rebuilding work began in recent weeks.


North Korea is reportedly rebuilding facilities at a long-range rocket launch site that was recently dismantled as part of peace talks with the US.

Roofs, walls and doors have been put up again at the Tongchang-ri complex, where several satellites have been launched over recent years.

It has been dormant since August 2018 and used to use intercontinental ballistic missile technology banned by the UN, the Centre for Strategic and International Studies said.

The development comes after a high-stakes nuclear summit between leader Kim Jong Un and US President Donald Trump broke down.

outh Korean politicians were briefed about the site's restoration by the country's spy agency, according to the JoongAng Ilbo newspaper.

National Intelligence Service director Suh Hoon believes the move could be a ploy by Pyongyang to restart long-range missile test launches in the event nuclear disarmament talks completely collapse.

Alternatively, he suggested that North Korea may be adding new structures to blow up the site in dramatic fashion. This could be regarded as a commitment to denuclearisation when US inspectors visit if negotiations with Washington go well.

Representatives for South Korean politicians who took part in the briefing could not immediately confirm the claims.

An article from 38 North, a website specialising in North Korea studies, cited commercial satellite imagery as suggesting the rebuild started sometime between 16 February and 2 March.

It captured two cranes and images which appear to show the rail-mounted transfer building being reassembled.

At the engine test stand, the website said it appears that the engine support structure is being reassembled.

The UN imposed sanctions on North Korea after performing satellite launches from the site, which were regarded as a disguised test of missile technology.

https://news.sky.com/story/north-kor...lapse-11656533
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سيف الله
06-30-2019, 09:07 AM
Salaam

Trump and Kim meet again.

Blurb

Donald Trump became the first sitting American president to set foot in North Korea, briefly crossing the border in the Demilitarized Zone after meeting the country’s leader Kim Jong Un for the third time. The two leaders shook hands and then spoke with reporters before entering a building on the South Korean side of the border. Trump hailed ties with Kim and invited him to the White House.

“Stepping across that line was a great honor,” Trump said.

“It’s a very courageous and determined act,” Kim said through a translator.




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US President Donald Trump has met Kim Jong-un at the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), which separates South and North Korea, for a handshake.


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