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Singularity
05-18-2017, 07:47 AM
http://time.com/4781153/donald-trump...-saudi-arabia/

President Trump Will Give a Speech on Islam in Saudi Arabia
Alana Abramson
May 16, 2017

President Trump will deliver a speech about radical Islam to leaders of Muslim countries when he is in Saudi Arabia for his first foreign trip, the White House said Tuesday.
The speech, said National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, will be "inspiring yet direct" about the need to confront radical ideology.
"The speech is intended to unite the broader Muslim world against common enemies of all civilization and to demonstrate America's commitment to our Muslim partners," said McMaster.
It is unclear if any of the the leaders from the seven Muslim-majority countries Trump initially singled out in his first executive order imposing a travel ban — Iraq, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen — will be in attendance at the meeting. The second draft of the order removed Iraq from this list, and both are currently held up in court.
The White House did not respond to questions about the countries in attendance. Saudi Arabia has invited Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, who the International Criminal Court has a warrant for regarding war crimes in Darfur, to the summit with Trump, according to the Associated Press.

McMaster said the speech would be given at a lunch with leaders of more than 50 Muslim countries, although he did not specify what leaders would be in attendance and from what countries.
McMaster did say that Trump would be holding bilateral meeting with members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, but none of those countries are part of that group.
The speech will likely draw increased attention to what is already supposed to be a high profile trip, given his rhetoric about Muslims in the United States, which many pundits and Democrats have deemed discriminatory. Trump's attempt to implement a travel ban followed his call on the campaign trail for a "complete and total shutdown" of Muslims entering the United States."The common thread linking the major Islamic terrorist attacks that have occurred on our soil — 9/11, the Ft. Hood shooting, the Boston bombing, the San Bernardino attack, the Orlando attack, is that they have involved immigrants or the children of immigrants," he said in Ohio last summer. "Clearly new screening procedures are needed."
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Simple_Person
05-18-2017, 08:22 AM
In this world ANY kind of event, is NOT without reason or certain intention. The biggest problem for those who are against religion was unity in a religion. The first conquering to divide the religion was back in WW1, when the Ottoman empire fell. It was the LEAST Islamic pursuing caliphate, but still kept unity a bit. The introduction of nationalism brought by Mustafa Kemal was the first dividens between Muslims. Muslims slowly started to embrace nationalism instead. Go and have a talk with many Muslims, they are so in love with nationalism and put religion second.

However as sunni-Islam is the majority compared to other sects, this further dividends needs to be highlighted/created with such events. By repeating "Islamic terrorism". After a time i will be branded a Islamic terrorist, because i see US government as terrorists and also ISIS as terrorists, and also Gulf states rulers as terrorists and not to forget the rest of the rulers of majority Islamic countries.

The coming 10-20 years going to be VERY VERY hard for Muslims, but i think Christians will also taste the hardship of it. As Muslims stick to their religion, Christians also try to do that. However rulers rule according to their desires, not according to some sort of religious principles. So also for you Christians brothers and sisters..buckle up as we already see Christians further down being tried to suppress their voices when they for example speak against homosexuality or transgenderism or even try to express they being Christians and do not think i am talking about the Middle East.
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سيف الله
05-18-2017, 08:53 AM
Salaam

Given the death and destruction the American empire has unleashed over the decades you'd think they would be the last country to lecture others on its 'commitments'. How far we have fallen. Its safe to say we are going through our 'century of humiliation'.
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Singularity
05-19-2017, 01:22 AM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/cair-trump-avoid-pejorative-terminology-and-anti-muslim-stereotypes

CAIR to Trump: Avoid ‘Pejorative Terminology’ and ‘Anti-Muslim Stereotypes’ in Your Saudi SpeechBy Patrick Goodenough | May 18, 2017 | 4:07 AM EDT

President Trump plans to deliver a speech during his visit to Saudi Arabia for an Arab-Islamic-U.S. summit on Sunday. (Photo: Saudi Press Agency, File)(CNSNews.com) – If President Trump wants to engage the world’s Muslims when he delivers a speech in Riyadh he should avoid “pejorative terminology” and “anti-Muslim stereotypes” promoted by some of his “Islamophobic” advisers.That’s the advice the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is offering the president as he prepares to travel to Saudi Arabia on the first leg of a trip that will also take him to Israel and Europe.“The president’s upcoming speech offers an opportunity to clarify whether or not he believes Islam should be respected as a major world faith,” said CAIR’s national executive director Nihad Awad on Wednesday.While in Riyadh for an Arab-Islamic-U.S. summit hosted by King Salman, Trump plans to deliver what National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster described this week as an “inspiring, direct speech on the need to confront radical ideology and the president’s hopes for a peaceful vision of Islam.”The aim, he told reporters at the White House, would be “to unite the broader Muslim world against common enemies of all civilization and to demonstrate America’s commitment to our Muslim partners.”The president himself, addressing Coast Guard Academy graduates in New London, Conn. Wednesday, said he planned to “speak with Muslim leaders and challenge them to fight hatred and extremism, and embrace a peaceful future for their faith.”CAIR, which describes itself as “the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization,” expressed concern at reports that White House adviser Stephen Miller is helping to write the Riyadh speech.Miller is one of several White House officials whom Awad has in the past labeled “Islamophobes” and “white supremacists.” Others include chief strategist Steve Bannon and counterterrorism advisor Sebastian Gorka.“If President Trump wishes to reach out to ordinary Muslims in the Middle East and around the world, he should avoid the pejorative terminology, anti-Muslim stereotypes and counterproductive policies promoted by Islamophobic advisers such as Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka,” Awad said.“Instead, he should offer a vision for a future in which Muslims and people of all faiths and backgrounds can live free of the oppression of dictators or the dictates of extremists,” he said, adding that “a truly inspiring speech would focus on the universal desire for justice, freedom and human dignity.”Awad then offered a verse from the Qur’an: “The Word of thy Lord finds its fulfillment in truth and in justice.” (6:115)Two speechesMany Muslims’ views about Trump will be based on his references to radical Islam during the election campaign, and the now-suspended immigration orders targeting visitors from terror-prone, Muslim-majority countries.

Since his inauguration, he has held evidently cordial meetings with a number of Islamic leaders, including Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Jordan’s King Abdullah, Saudi deputy crown prince Mohammed bin Salman, Emirates crown prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.Trump’s planned major address aimed at Muslims just months into his presidency comes almost eight years after his predecessor’s much-touted speech “to the Muslim world,” on June 4, 2009.While President Obama chose as a venue Cairo’s Al-Azhar University – an institution viewed as the highest seat of Sunni learning – Trump settled on Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam and home to Mecca and Medina, the religion’s most revered sites.In his speech, Obama called for a bridging of the divide between Islam and the West, spoke in respectful tones about Islam and quoted four times from “the holy Qur’an” (as well as once each from the Talmud and “the Holy Bible.”)In one of many lines that drew hearty applause, Obama referenced the Islamic belief that Mohammed prayed with Moses and Jesus (“peace be upon them”) in Jerusalem – the story upon which Islam’s claim to Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa mosque is based.He also spoke of “colonialism,” acknowledged the U.S.’s role in the overthrow of an elected government in Iran in 1953, and criticized Western countries for “dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear.”Obama reiterated that America was not, and would never be, “at war with Islam,” but said the U.S. would “relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security – because we reject the same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, women, and children.”Obama pressed the Israelis to accept a “two state solution” to the conflict with the Palestinians and said it was time for Israeli settlements in disputed territory to “stop.”He also spoke in favor of democracy and women’s rights, although on the latter subject he tempered his remarks by saying the U.S. and others were grappling with the issue as well.“Issues of women’s equality are by no means simply an issue for Islam,” he said. “In Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, we’ve seen Muslim-majority countries elect a woman to lead. Meanwhile, the struggle for women’s equality continues in many aspects of American life, and in countries around the world.”Obama’s speech, according to a later news report, was drafted by his deputy national security adviser for strategic communications Ben Rhodes, with input from political advisor David Axelrod, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, and Rashad Hussain, a deputy associate counsel who would later be appointed by the president as special envoy to the 57-member Islamic bloc.
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Simple_Person
05-19-2017, 07:11 AM
@Singularity , in islam we also have signs of the Day of Judgement. This exists in minor and major signs.

One of them being..

"There will come to the people years of treachery, when the liar will be regarded as honest, and the honest man will be regarded as a liar; the traitor will be regarded as faithful, and the faithful man will be regarded as a traitor; and the Ruwaibidah will decide matters. ' It was said: 'Who are the Ruwaibidah?' He said: 'Vile and base men who control the affairs of the people.' "

Source used: https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/111

These people with their mouth say something, but their actions depict something that is NOT in line with what they have said. This is how you will know the liars. Trump being one of them. Just look at all the promises he made during his campaign and now he won..not following up what he has said.

Anwar Al-awlaki before he became radicalized he spoke some DIRECT words that showed the liar from the truthful person and i BELIEVE there is a reason why he became radicalized because of his prosecution of him speaking the truth.

This lecture is a OLD video, maybe somewhere in 2008 or 2009. Because the years later on he was put in jail because of the truth he spoke and made his life so hard that he became radicalized.

The Battle of Hearts and Minds - Delivered by Imam Anwar Al Awlaki
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Serinity
05-19-2017, 08:52 AM
:salam:

If being a Muslim means being called a radical, so be it. :)

Edit: This is red alarms really.. (Trump giving his opinions on Islam)
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anatolian
05-19-2017, 09:40 AM
Trump Will Give a Speech on Islam? This must be the end of World. Of course he will tell people how to be moderate muslims which means pro-Americanist submitters. I expect at least a few people to take a word and tell him that they know Islam better then himself.

P.S: Also it is very meaningful for him to make his first trip to Saudi. Turkey and Said Arabia are two American bases in the Mid-East. We have problems now but since Suuds are their prominent men he wants to keep his ties more than any time for any future war in Mid-East.
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Serinity
05-19-2017, 11:12 AM
:salam:

Their definition of a moderate Muslim is not based on Islam, but their desires.

Allahu alam.
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Singularity
05-20-2017, 06:32 PM
https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...king/22100809/

President Trump slammed as 'hypocrite' for 'bowing' to the Saudi kingWILLIAM STEAKIN, AOL.COMMay 20th 2017 1:39PM

During a ceremony on Saturday Saudi Arabia King Salman presented President Donald Trump with the King Abdulaziz al Saud Collar, the kingdom's highest civilian honor, and people are really concerned whether or not the president bowed in appreciation."Appears Trump really bowed down. Is this Making America Great Again?," tweeted one user after video surfaced that appears to show Trump bowing slightly to the Saudi King after having the gold medalin placed around his neck.

Many were quick to point out that conservative media, including President Trump himself, criticized former President Barack Obama for bowing to the Saudi King during a foreign trip in 2009."The slightest bow from Trump as he receives a medal. Conservatives were not happy when Obama did the same in 2009," tweeted AXIOS news editor Alexi McCammond‏.Click through the best reactions to the president's "bow" here:

[Twitter posts]

Some are saying the president didn't bow, but instead "curtsied to the Saudi King."

Conservative media outlets, however, are claiming the president did not bow, or curtsy, with FOX News headlines reading, "NO BENDING OVER," and "Unlike Obama, Trump shakes Saudi king's hand.""Despite video/pics showing Trump bowing to receive gold medal from Saudi king, @foxnews has this story on on its front page," Tweeted one user pointing out the discrepancy.
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noraina
05-20-2017, 08:35 PM
Wa alaykum assalam,

I've been watching the coverage of his state visit to Saudi Arabia - lots of niceties and ingratiating formalities on both sides. I haven't got much to say except that nothing is without a motive, and with Donald Trump, there will be an awful lot of such motives going much further than diplomacy or trade deals. There's something ironic about him going to the 'heartland' of Islam as they say after everything he has said and done.

And while he is off on his state visits, everyone in America is slamming him for firing the FBI chief Comey - I don't think it was a very opportune time for him to go.
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Singularity
05-22-2017, 04:42 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/21/politi...+-+Politics%29

Trump's new tune on Islam unconvincing, experts in Mideast sayBy Angela Dewan, CNNUpdated 9:49 PM ET, Sun May 21, 2017

Experts from Jordan, Iran and Lebanon react to Trump's speech"It will be met with deep skepticism in the Muslim world," says one(CNN)President Donald Trump's speech Sunday will likely be met with skepticism and frustration in the Muslim world, according to experts in the Middle East who said his sudden shift in tone on Islam was unconvincing.Trump gave his speech in Saudi Arabia, where he ditched his hard-line rhetoric from the 2016 election campaign and instead called Islam "one of the world's great faiths."Here's what experts in three Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East thought of the speech.JordanFormer Jordanian Justice Minister Ibrahim Aljazy said Trump's shift in tone toward Muslims was notable.Trump to Muslim world: Drive out terroristsTrump to Muslim world: Drive out terrorists 01:00"Trump has moved from 'Islam hates us' to a friendlier approach of common values and shared interests," he said.But Aljazy said Jordanians and others in the Muslim world had hoped Trump would deliver clearer answers on American policy in the region."I would not call it a constructive tone since that people in the region, particularly Jordanians, are looking for a more clear approach to the Israeli policies and an end to settlements, which may pave the way for a true two-state solution and end of occupation," he said."Referencing 'Islamic' terrorist organizations only will not be appreciated by the vast majority of people in the region when other forces are carrying out acts of aggression, especially as Arabs and Muslims are the prime victims of these organizations," he said.Trump also failed to acknowledge the importance of democracy and the rule of law in putting an end to the root causes of terrorism, Aljazy said.IranHamed Mousavi, a political science professor at Iran's Tehran University, said that Trump's attempts to strike a friendlier tone in Saudi Arabia were hard to swallow."It will be met with deep skepticism in the Muslim world because Trump has been hostile and offensive to Muslims -- with his Muslim travel ban, for example. All they've seen so far from Donald Trump is a lot of hostility," he said.

Will Trump hit reset with Muslims?

Mousavi said that by making lucrative arms deals with Saudi Arabia, the United States has lost its ability to put pressure on Riyadh to reform Wahhabism, a fundamentalist brand of Islam that insists on a strict interpretation of the Koran.Wahhabism is the country's dominant faith, and in 2013, the European Parliament published a report dubbing the religion as a main cause of global terrorism.On Saturday, Trump and Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud signed an arms deal worth $109 billion, part of a broader $350 billion package of economic and defense investments over the next decade."I think the US needs to decide what it wants from this relationship with Saudi Arabia. Does it want the economic benefits? Or is it to fight terrorism and to fight an extreme form of Islam?" Mousavi said. "These two agendas don't fit with each other. If Saudi Arabia buys this relationship, the US will be in no position to lecture them."LebanonKarim Makdisi, an associate professor of international politics at The American University of Beirut, said the Trump administration's policies on the Middle East have in most respects been a continuation of the Obama administration's.But Trump's speech on Sunday marked some provocative changes, he said. Most notable was Trump's open condemnation of Iran as a nation that funds and harbors terrorists.Trump's speech to Muslim world a tough sellTrump's speech to Muslim world a tough sell"What this speech appears to signal is a potential shift away from Obama's more pragmatic policy towards Iran that resulted, most notably, in the nuclear agreement," Makdisi said. "Trump's vitriolic attack on Iran was matched only by his lavish praise of the Saudi king. Given the bitter Saudi-Iranian regional conflict that includes both proxy wars and sectarian bating, this shift may potentially lead to yet further violence and instability."Makdisi pointed out that Trump equated Hezbollah, a Lebanese political and military group made up mostly of Shia Muslims, with ISIS and al Qaeda. Hezbollah was conceived in the early 1980s primarily to fight against Israeli occupation in southern Lebanon.

Trump: Terror a battle between good and evil

"This is irresponsible on many levels," Makdisi said of Trump's comments."With Israeli rhetoric increasing against Lebanon, this does not bode well. The Lebanese will not put much stock in yet another grand speech, but they will keep an eye out for Trump's position towards Israel's threats against Lebanon, and any shift in US policy towards Syria."He said Trump's description of a good-versus-evil conflict essentially made it official that the United States would back a Sunni force allied with Israel against terror groups."If this rhetoric is translated into action, the region is in for much bloodshed rather than the long-term 'peace' Trump spoke of," Makdis said. "Ultimately, let us observe what the Trump administration policy will be with regard to Iran -- this is the real litmus test."Palestinian militant group Hamas called Trump "biased" toward Israel after he labeled the organization a terrorist group in his speech.In a press release, Hamas said it "denounces US President Trump's fabrications in front of the Arab and Muslim kings and leaders. Trump included the Islamic Resistance movement Hamas in the terrorism list. He denied the Palestinian people the right to resist, which is a legitimate and sacred right to liberate the land and holy places."
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sister herb
05-22-2017, 05:00 PM
Seems that Trump´s speech was quite boring. The US Secretary of Commerce (Wilbur Ross), had great difficulties staying awake during his speech.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-donald-trump/
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MuhammadHamza1
05-22-2017, 05:40 PM
Do not trust what he says.
They are all slaves of Israel.
Trump is also.one of them.
Do not watch mainstream media.
It is owned by Pro Israeli Jews.
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سيف الله
05-23-2017, 10:48 AM
Salaam

More commentary on his speech.

Donald Trump’s speech to the Muslim world was filled with hypocrisy and condescension

Despite claiming he wouldn’t give a lecture, the President did just that, displaying a blatant anti-Iran bias intended to appease the nation with whom he’d just signed a multi-billion dollar arms deal at the expense of the truth


So after inventing “fake news”, America’s crazed President on Sunday gave the world’s Muslims a fake speech. Donald Trump said he was not in Saudi Arabia to “lecture” – but then told the world’s Islamic preachers what to say, condemned “Islamist terrorism” as if violence was a solely Muslim phenomenon and then announced like an Old Testament prophet that he was in “a battle between good and evil”. There were no words of compassion, none of mercy, absolutely not a word of apology for his racist, anti-Muslim speeches of last year.

Even more incredibly, he blamed Iran – rather than Isis – for “fuelling sectarian violence”, pitied the Iranian people for their “despair” a day after they had freely elected a liberal reformer as their president, and demanded the further isolation of the largest Shiite country in the Middle East. The regime responsible for “so much instability” is Iran. The Shiite Hezbollah were condemned. So were the Shiite Yemenis. Trump’s Sunni Saudi hosts glowed with warmth at such wisdom.

And this was billed by CNN as a “reset” speech with the Muslim world. For “reset”, read “repair”, but Trump’s Sunday diatribe in Riyadh was in fact neither a “reset” nor a “repair”. It was the lecture he claimed he would not give.

“Every time a terrorist murders an innocent person, and falsely invokes the name of God, it should be an insult to every person of faith,” he announced, utterly ignoring – as he had to – the fact that Saudi Arabia, not Iran, is the fountainhead of the very Wahhabi Salafist extremism whose “terrorists” murder “innocent people”.

He tried to avoid his old racist “radical Islamic extremist” mantra and tried to replace it with “Islamist extremism” but he apparently fluffed his words and said “Islamic” as well. The subtle difference he was trying to make in English was thus for Muslims no more than a variation on a theme: terrorists are Muslims.

All this, let us remember, came after Trump had sewn up yet another outrageous arms deal with the Saudis ($110bn or £84.4bn) and the proposed purchase by Qatar of what Trump obscenely referred to as “a lot of beautiful military equipment”. It seems almost fantastical that he should make such a remark only two days before meeting the Pope who in Cairo two weeks ago railed along with the Muslim Sheikh of Al Azhar against the evil of arms dealers.

“We are adopting a principled realism, rooted in common values and shared interests,” Trump told the Saudis and the leaders of another fifty Muslim nations on Sunday. But what on earth are those values? What values do the Americans share with the head-chopping, misogynist, undemocratic, dictatorial Saudis other than arms sales and oil?

And when Trump said that “our friends will never question our support, and our enemies will never doubt our determination,” were his friends supposed to be the Saudis? Or the “Islamic world” – which should surely include Iran and Syria and Yemen – and the warring militias of Libya? As for “enemies”, was he talking about Isis? Or Russia? Or Syria? Or Iran, whose newly elected president surely wants peace with America? Or was he – as part of the Muslim world will conclude with good reason – declaring his friendship with the Sunni Muslims of the world and his enmity towards the Shia Muslims?

For that, ultimately, was what the Riyadh speech-fest was all about. Take this little quotation: “We will make decisions based on real-world outcomes – not inflexible ideology. We will be guided by the lessons of experience, not the confines of rigid thinking. And, wherever possible, we will seek gradual reforms – not sudden intervention.” Now let’s parse this little horror. “Decisions based on real-world outcomes” means brutal pragmatism. “Gradual reforms” indicates that the US will do nothing for human rights and take no steps to prevent crimes against humanity – unless they are committed by Iran, Syria, Iraqi Shiites, the Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah or Yemeni Shiite Houthis.

It was all about “partnership”, we were supposed to believe. It was about a “coalition”. You bet it would be. For America is not going to bleed as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the Arabs who must bleed as they fight each other, encouraged by the biggest arms supplier of them all. Thus Trump lectured them on their need to share “their part of the burden”. The Arabs will be “united and strong” as “the forces of good”. If the battle is between “decent people of all religions” and “barbaric criminals” – “between good and evil” – as Trump inferred, it was significant, was it not, that this battle was to start in the “sacred land” of Sunni Saudi Arabia?

By the time Trump reached the bit in which he threatened the bad guys – “if you choose the path of terror, your life will be empty, your life will be brief, and your soul will be condemned” – he sounded like a speech-writer for Isis. Apparently – and unsurprisingly, perhaps – Trump’s actual speech was partly the work of the very man who wrote out his much ridiculed (and failed) legal attempt to ban Muslims of seven nations from the United States. All in all, quite a “reset”. Trump talked of peace but was preparing the Arabs for a Sunni-Shia war. The fawning leaders of the Muslim world, needless to say, clapped away when the mad president of America had finished speaking. But did they understand what his words really portended?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-saudi-arabia-muslim-speech-a7747856.html
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Simple_Person
05-23-2017, 11:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1
Do not trust what he says.
They are all slaves of Israel.
Trump is also.one of them.
Do not watch mainstream media.
It is owned by Pro Israeli Jews.
Things are SO VISIBLE..there are SOME people who voted for Trump and saw that Hilary or Trump both bad and i also argued that Trump may be better, although also bad, however also seen both were just the same. Playing both sides is the good way to do.

There are some people who are waking up to this and there are some people who CHOOSE to stay asleep. If there is so much injustice going on and people do not ask questions, for sure those people are lost.

All that is left is destruction coming upon them...those stories in the Qur'an/Bible aren't just stories you know.
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ethnhunt
05-23-2017, 08:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1
Do not trust what he says.
They are all slaves of Israel.
Trump is also.one of them.
Do not watch mainstream media.
It is owned by Pro Israeli Jews.
What's wrong with being pro-israel? What's wrong with being pro-Muslim?
We are all people, you know...

The Media is in the hands of everybody, - the Jews, the Christians and also the Muslims, but mostly in the hands of people who are secular. What difference does it make who owns a particular news outlet. If you don't like it, then do not listen to it.

In a free world, we all advocate for what we believe in. So, - advocate! But do not complain when your message is not popular. Get it?

Trump is nobody's​ fool.

You, on the other hand is a prisoner to your own conspiracy theories. Get a grip...
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Abz2000
05-24-2017, 10:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ethnhunt
What's wrong with being pro-israel? What's wrong with being pro-Muslim? We are all people, you know...The Media is in the hands of everybody, - the Jews, the Christians and also the Muslims, but mostly in the hands of people who are secular. What difference does it make who owns a particular news outlet. If you don't like it, then do not listen to it. In a free world, we all advocate for what we believe in. So, - advocate! But do not complain when your message is not popular. Get it?Trump is nobody's​ fool.You, on the other hand is a prisoner to your own conspiracy theories. Get a grip...



Can't refrain from speaking out when I see fake bubbles being created and people floating about in them in total ignorance of the circumstances surrounding current events. Not watching live tv (illusions) construed and reported by popular secularist culture worshipping airheaded wolves who are themselves victims of their own and like-minded false propaganda helps in considering, evaluating, and visualizing based on less superficial -and more firm analytics. You tend to get a bigger picture of the situation.

The following article by "time" from 2006 may assist in recognizing how conspiracies have been planned and how the current constructed sectarian chaos with corrupt puppet shepherds - or hirelings - having been given the task of leading the charge whilst expecting people to cheer and fan the flames of superficial disintegration. But hey, of the inner things - the corrupt are heedless since people ultimately wise up on a deeper level through prudence and unite upon the truth permanently on a solid foundation.
The situation is that the news on current events isn't free since we are usually forced to get buffeted hither and thither by the secularist illusionists -as the opinions of the people they spend most of their time defaming whilst their military arm illegally attacks them physically - are subject to blocking and censorship. However that helps us to learn to avoid the false and one-sided news the way intellectuals did in nazi germany, thereby freeing up huge amounts of time, and studying the Quran and seerah and evaluating people based on what is just, and we come to find that justice is what pleases God.

I'm not complaining at all, just stating the reality and bursting the fake bubble.

Condi in Diplomatic Disneyland

By Tony Karon Wednesday, July 26, 2006

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice faced a thankless, all but impossible task in trying to sell the Arab world on the U.S. policy of delaying a cease-fire so that the Israeli military can continue its anti-Hizballah campaign. But her case was hardly helped when she explained that the violence that has already killed more than 400 Lebanese and turned more than a half million into refugees represents the "birth pangs of a new Middle East." Phrases like that — and her rejection of the call for an immediate cease-fire on the grounds that "whatever we do, we have to be certain that we're pushing forward to the new Middle East, not going back to the old Middle East" — carry a revolutionary ring that scares the hell out of America's allies in the region. It was revolutionaries like Lenin and Mao, after all, who rationalized violence and suffering as the wages of progress, in the way a doctor might rationalize surgery — painful, bloody, even risking the life of the patient, but ultimately necessary. Social engineering is not surgery, however, and its victims find little comfort in the homilies of its authors.Arab leaders, moreover, have learned to be suspicious of Rice's revolutionary ambitions — just a year ago, she spoke of spreading "creative chaos" in the region. Iraq, after all, is Exhibit A of the Bush Administration's "New Middle East," and it's a bloody mess that is growing worse by the day.

Now, for Act 2, the Arabs are being told to sit quietly while Israel tears Lebanon apart, after months of watching it slowly throttle Gaza through a U.S.-backed economic blockade, and then bomb it for weeks on end. Hardly surprising that the Arabs — from the U.S.-backed autocrats to the beleaguered liberal democrats and the rising Islamists — see little to cheer in the Bush Administration's "new Middle East."

Rice's misguided revolutionary rhetoric is only one of the mistakes the Secretary of State made on her ill-fated mission to the MIdeast. Some other lessons the Administration will need to absorb quickly from its crash course in Middle East diplomacy:

Diplomacy means not only talking-aboutyour adversaries, but also talking-to-them-
Critics have long warned that by refusing on principle to talk to the likes of Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hizballah, the U.S. is restricting its own ability to influence events in a region where those regimes and organizations represent a significant force. As Rami Khouri, editor at large of Beirut's Daily Star, so tartly put it: "Washington is engaged almost exclusively with Arab governments whose influence with Syria is virtually nonexistent, whose credibility with Arab public opinion is zero, whose own legitimacy at home is increasingly challenged, and whose pro-U.S. policies tend to promote the growth of those militant Islamist movements that now lead the battle against American and Israeli policies. Is Rice traveling to a new Middle East, or to a diplomatic Disneyland of her own imagination?"

The problem with boycotting regimes you deem unacceptable is that if they are able to influence events, you're forced to respond to their initiatives, often in dangerous crisis moments. The U.S. and the Soviet Union were implacable foes who knew they could not resolve their differences, yet they maintained communication and developed understandings that allowed them to-managethose differences in the interests of global stability. It is time for Bush the Younger to grow up.Sometimes listening is as important as talking

Last week, Administration officials-spinning Rice's mission-boasted that "she's not going to come home with a ceasefire, but with stronger ties to the Arab world... What we want is our Arab allies standing against Hizballah and against Iran, since there is no one who doesn't think Iran is behind this."

So the Bush Administration expected that while Lebanon and Gaza are under Israeli assault, the very Arab autocrats the Bush administration in a giddier moment had threatened with a fatal dose of democracy — and whose citizens are backing Hizballah — are going to give diplomatic support to Israel and the U.S. offensive against Hizballah? You have to wonder what these guys are smoking.Plainly, every Arab leader they've spoken to since has insisted that stopping the bombardment is an absolute priority. Even the Iraqi government, ostensible poster child of the "new Middle East," has differed sharply with the Bush administration's stance.
What the Arabs are telling Washington is this: Not only will the Israeli bombardment probably strengthen Hizballah in Lebanon, but its continuation with U.S. blessing will imperil other U.S. interests in the regionIn the Middle East, you're judged by your position on Israel and the Palestinians
The Administration is correct that Hizballah and Iran represent a major challenge to the pro-U.S. Arab regimes such as Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. They're so dangerous precisely because they are able to capitalize on the popular mood in those countries that seeks redress for the Palestinians — an issue on which the moderates have precious little to show for their cooperation with Washington. The political momentum in the not-yet-new Middle East is increasingly with forces hostile to the U.S.Getting anything done diplomatically in the region will require a lot more than talking about President Bush's "vision" of a Palestinian state and a "road map" that is the functional equivalent of the old Beach Boys song "Wouldn't It Be Nice" — there is no active process associated with it, nor is there likely to be for the foreseeable future. Without revisiting the kind of peace process that the current Israeli government has sought to avoid, the "birth pangs of the new Middle East" may be interminable.

Enlightened self-interest will determine Syria's actions
Recognizing that Syria could play a decisive role in curbing Hizballah's capacity for violence, Administration officials have been talking up plans to "peel Syria away" from its ties to Iran, although its refusal to talk directly to Damascus means it has to outsource the job to Arab allies viewed by Syria with contempt. And unless they're offering a credible incentive, they're probably wasting their breath: Syria has withstood years of pressure and harangues from the U.S. — perhaps aware that the U.S. and Israel, knowing that the most likely alternative is the Muslim Brotherhood, actually want to keep the Ba'ath regime in place. Syria will refrain from confronting its more powerful enemies, but is unlikely to lift a finger to help them unless it can see in that course a road to end its isolation, and to a resumption of talks aimed at returning the Golan Heights, captured by Israel in 1967, to Syrian control.

Develop a Plan B
The current U.S. position is based on the assumption that Israel's military campaign will, if not destroy Hizballah's military capability, badly bloody the organization and force it to accept what it might deem as a surrender. The "cease-fire" that would eventually be agreed would then amount a mopping up operation. But it's growing increasingly unlikely that those battlefield objectives can be realized, and if not, any cease-fire would probably not be on the terms the Administration is seeking. More often than not, diplomacy results in second-best solutions. And if Hizballah survives the Israeli offensive as a fighting force, preventing a recurrence of the crisis would require engagement with the movement's external backers.

http://content.time.com/time/world/a...219325,00.html
Read also:(
Events in the Syria timeline below from 2002 onwards are significant in getting a more holistic understanding)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14703995

And this :
(The six day war, the yom kippur war, and the peace negotioations sections being of significance)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights



One notices a pattern, a pattern that indicates that the government of united states of America has been stringing along, tempting, using, and betraying any set of people that falls into it's lap as a result of it's covert and indirect machinations against them and with total disregard to it's own credibility - possibly due to the fact that it has a loud media machine able to conjure illusions and deceive the masses who fall prey to popular culture and try to fit within the false matrix.



Personally, I have no interest whatsoever in the concocted and superficial divides staged by conniving kafirs and greedy puppet throne clinginging leaders (idols of flesh) with malintent who pretend to represent the people they enslave and manipulate whilst acting as extravagant fatcats with the peoples' God given resources and seeking to destroy their souls for a lowly profit and fleeting power.
We will all one day stand in submission to God and recognise our own insignificance regardless of whether we were kings or paupers. That's the ultimate reality.


WHY WE HAVE DIFFERENT REACTIONS TO MANCHESTER AND SYRIA

BY JESSICA WAPNER ON 5/23/17 AT 5:26 PM

.......What factors determine our ability to feel compassion?

One way to think about this process is through a concept we call " the arithmetic of compassion." Understanding the arithmetic guiding compassion requires first knowing that we process information in two ways: quickly and slowly, as Daniel Kahnemann writes about in his book, Thinking Fast and Slow .

The fast system is based on very quick, intuitive feelings that arise when see or hear something. Our sensory system brings information to our attention and that awareness leads to feelings. By contrast, our slow-thinking system carefully considers a problem with a deliberate analysis that may lead to feelings but only after significant cognitive effort.

As Kahnemann points out, the human mind is lazy. The feeling system is easy to rely on and is our default mode of thinking. But the fast system makes mistakes when it comes to arithmetic. It can't count. It responds to images and people right in front of our faces, things we are experiencing immediately and directly, not symbols and numbers. Thus our feelings are incapable of responding rationally to large-scale problems like human atrocities.

.........

Is there a primitive, survival-driven reason to respond to one victim and not many?
Yes. The fast system is part of the ancient brain. The capacity to do analytical, statistical, mathematical “slow thinking” is a relatively recent development in the human brain. The fast-thinking areas of the brain were essential for survival and developed in a world centered around protecting you and your family within your immediate surroundings. A family wasn't worrying about events transpiring on the other side of the world.

The fast system is also known as the experiential system because it is rooted in our direct experiences. Once upon a time we learned from experience that water in a stream made us sick and then we stopped drinking it; we wouldn't take a sample to a toxicologist. Today we have toxicology to analyze substances in water and how they affect our health.

Why is the fast system more conducive to survival?
The feeling system has no gatekeeper. It allows nonrelevant information to blend with relevant information and concern. From an evolutionary perspective, that feature makes sense. The need to act fast in response to a noise, for example, doesn't leave time for us to analyze what the noise might be from. If the noise sounds ominous, you flee quickly and don't worry about whether your fears are correct.

Why doesn’t that fast system work as well in the context of responding to global tragedies?
In the modern world, this porous system lets in information that influences our feelings to the point of deception. Here, the slow system is essential because it lets us evaluate information more critically.

The fast system is powerless against fake news, for example. Reports that are false can still play on our feeling system, and we don't have a solid gatekeeper unless we put the effort into vetting and critiquing those feelings.

Can that response be changed?
Yes, and doing so would begin with awareness of how the human mind works and sometimes deceives us. We have to educate ourselves and create mechanisms that force us to think more carefully about what we value in life and how those values should shape our behaviors. What is our moral obligation to individuals at risk when there is more than one, and when the distress is further away geographically or culturally?

http://www.newsweek.com/why-we-have-different-reactions-manchester-and-syria-614409
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سيف الله
05-26-2017, 01:19 PM
Salaam

Good to see Trump having fun at the Saudis expense.



And its good to understand who the Saudis true masters are.
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سيف الله
06-23-2017, 11:12 PM
Salaam

Like him or not this is a perceptive comment

S. Arabia being pumped 'like a milking cow' by US: Khamenei

TEHERAN

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei launched a fierce attack against regional rival Saudi Arabia, saying it was being pumped "like a milking cow" by "infidel" Americans.

"These people (the Saudis) appear to believe in the Quran... but in practice they act against its teachings," Mr Khamenei said at a meeting last Saturday to mark the start of the holy month of Ramadan.

"They are close with the infidels and offer the enemy the money they should be using to improve the lives of their own people.

"But in reality there is no closeness and, as the Americans have said, they are just there to pump them for money like a milking cow, and later slaughter them," he added.

During a visit by United States President Donald Trump to Riyadh on May 21, Saudi Arabia agreed to buy US$110 billion (S$151.9 billion) of US weapons and signed investment deals worth billions more.

Sunni-led Saudi Arabia and Shi'ite-majority Iran are on opposing sides in a number of regional conflicts, including in Syria and Yemen.

Mr Trump sought to boost an anti-Iran alliance of Arab powers during his trip - but the visit was dismissed as a "show with no practical or political value" by Iran's newly re-elected President Hassan Rouhani.

Mr Trump sought to boost an anti-Iran alliance of Arab powers during his trip - but the visit was dismissed as a "show with no practical or political value" by Iran's newly re-elected President Hassan Rouhani.

Hours before Mr Khamenei's remarks, Mr Rouhani, a pragmatist who has significantly less power than the supreme leader, called for improved relations with Gulf Arab states during a telephone call with the emir, or leader, of Qatar.

"We want the rule of moderation and rationality in the relations between countries, and we believe that a political solution should be a priority," state news agency Irna quoted Mr Rouhani as telling Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani.

"The countries of the region need more cooperation and consultations to resolve the crisis in the region and we are ready to cooperate in this field," Mr Rouhani told Sheikh Tamim, Irna added.

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/s-arabia-being-pumped-like-a-milking-cow-by-us-khamenei
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