Why Cutting of a Thief's Hand?Answer.

[MuhammadHamza1]

If and when an Islamic system is established,the Islamic State is obliged to cut off a Thief's Hand.
One may say,that is unjust or brutal.
The answer to this is that you lack knowledge.
I mentioned above that it requires an Islamic System to be established.
So I ask.
What does an Islamic System consist of?
The Islamic System,when implemented in its ideal form,contains something called 'Bait-ul-Mal'.
It is state treasury and it provides free food and daily necessities to the poor.
Meaning that under any ideal Islamic System,Any poor man will have access to Food atleast.
SECONDLY.
Under an Islam System.Muslims are obliged to pay Zakaat to the poor.So that person is getting Food from Bait ul Mal.And he is also getting money from Zakaat.Something that may even enable him to live a happy life.
So I ask you.
When he has access to all these things and it is certain that he will get food and he may even live happily,
WHY IS HE STEALING?
To rob other people of their property?
Keep in Mind,that a person who STEALS OUT OF NEED IS EXEMPTED.Meaning if he stole to get money for a medical operation for his mother,HE IS EXEMPTED.
THIRDLY.
This punishment has to be carried out by the State only and not by Normal People.
FORTHLY.
There is a fixed amount for cutting hand.Meaning if he steals under that specefic amount,His Hand will not be cut.
This amount for which a thief's hand is cut is given in the link below.
https://islamqa.info/en/239920

[M.I.A.]

It doesnt really answer the OPs question.

Although you could argue the non gold based value of the indian rupee is to blame.

But yeah, like any answer.. its all you need to know.. self serving.. fearful of what may become of opinion..

And its consequences.

Which is why you dont steal..

Because god knows what your going to take away tomorrow.

The punishment for sin is never late..

Although most days are still a struggle..

Go figure.

God only needs an excuse... how nice it would be to finally be home.

*irony*

Stealing shields is frowned upon apparently.

[fyi]

As far as I know those who steal because of lack of money to feed their families are treated differently from those who steal out of greed.
Which is why the ruling on this is actually quite understandable. Why should somebody be allowed steal from another if he has enough to provide him/herself? Why would this person be allowed to live a normal life after he/she has already proven that he/she does not want to put any effort into increasing the wealth of the people in general but rather cheating himself through while stepping on others. Today's world is not much different, as many countries and its citizens live in wealth other countries and its citizens are paying the bill. As African children die because of drought others live off the cheap gold that is mined in those countries. They buy that gold with weapons and artillery so that a domestic gang can keep the people poor and uneducated. This way the poor remain poor and the rich remain rich. The laws of the West have led to such a world where people die every single second out of poverty yet people complain about a hand of a criminal or the head of murderer.

Does make you think doesn't it?

[MuhammadHamza1]

Democracy is the biggest cancer on this world.

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[fromelsewhere]

Democracy is the biggest cancer on this world.

How is democracy a cancer? You prefer to have a dictator tell you how to live your life rather than have the right to vote for what you want?

[Serinity]

How is democracy a cancer? You prefer to have a dictator tell you how to live your life rather than have the right to vote for what you want?

We'd rather be ruled by The Shariah, The law of Allah, than by the desires of man.

[fromelsewhere]

We'd rather be ruled by The Shariah, The law of Allah, than by the desires of man.

That does not make democracy a cancer.

[fyi]

That does not make democracy a cancer.

A question for you, what is democracy?

[M.I.A.]

Democracy is allowing five different mosque timetables with five different times for when to close the fast.


...islam is knowing that there should be a time to close fast and anything before that time is A OK.

..
..
...and maybe turning up to pray.


Everybody is an expert.

So who would you like to be judge, jury and executioner?

...and which mosque do you go to?


I know its not that simple. Some places dont get total darkness.

But that is not the problem.

I think islamqa hit the nail on the head..

One should avoid trying to change the world before it starts to impose itself upon you.

[fromelsewhere]

A question for you, what is democracy?

Good question. I will let you look it up.

[fromelsewhere]

I think islamqa hit the nail on the head..

The problem is that not everybody is a Muslim, and not all Muslims abide to the islamqa Salafi perspective. It is unfair to impose your personal convictions onto others, especially if you are the minority in the area. At least in a democracy, everybody gets to have a voice, and education is strongly encouraged since better informed citizens tend to make better decisions.

[fyi]

Good question. I will let you look it up.

Don't bring things up if you don't know what they mean :D

[Karl]

Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks.
Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe. Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.

[fyi]

Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks.
Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe. Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.

Exactly.

[Karl]

Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks.
Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe. Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.

[Karl]

The problem is that not everybody is a Muslim, and not all Muslims abide to the islamqa Salafi perspective. It is unfair to impose your personal convictions onto others, especially if you are the minority in the area. At least in a democracy, everybody gets to have a voice, and education is strongly encouraged since better informed citizens tend to make better decisions.

Well, God's will be done and since the world is not a Caliphate but a chaotic mess, maybe that is God's will. Or Satan's lease has not run out yet? Who knows?
And "education" seems to be a lot of brainwashing to think a certain way. The politically correct way the new world order way. People are waking up to this fact. The movie "The Matrix" was a satire about this.

[fromelsewhere]

Don't bring things up if you don't know what they mean :D

I know very well what the term 'democracy' means. I am letting you look it up for yourself as I find that there is nothing better than self-education for people like you.

[fromelsewhere]

Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks.
Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe. Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.

What we have are indirect democracies where we choose representatives that are suppose to speak towards our interests for the next 4-5 years or so. Ideally, in a very advanced society, we should have more referendums and opportunities to vote on more issues, therefore a more direct democracy, but an indirect democracy is still a step up from most authoritarian regimes (from monarchies to dictatorships). I am optimistic in believing that overall, the human society is gradually improving... people are becoming more educated, poverty is slowly decreasing, people are getting better access to primary healthcare and so forth. We need to continue to work towards making our societies better, however.

EDIT: Medieval Europe is certainly not a role-model to follow... it is setting the bar very low.

[Zafran]

What we have are indirect democracies where we choose representatives that are suppose to speak towards our interests for the next 4-5 years or so. Ideally, in a very advanced society, we should have more referendums and opportunities to vote on more issues, therefore a more direct democracy, but an indirect democracy is still a step up from most authoritarian regimes (from monarchies to dictatorships). I am optimistic in believing that overall, the human society is gradually improving... people are becoming more educated, poverty is slowly decreasing, people are getting better access to primary healthcare and so forth. We need to continue to work towards making our societies better, however.

EDIT: Medieval Europe is certainly not a role-model to follow... it is setting the bar very low.

The bar isnt that high especially if you look at Trump, Erdogan, Hitler - they all emerged out of democracies and things went very bad. Very bad indeed.

[fromelsewhere]

The bar isnt that high especially if you look at Trump, Erdogan, Hitler - they all emerged out of democracies and things went very bad. Very bad indeed.

Hitler is in a class of his own. He suspended the democratic process of his country by bringing it into a "state of emergency" (edit: to be precise, it was called the "Enabling Act" or the "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich" and was to last 4 years but was renewed twice). Trump and Erdogan are fools in many respects, but they don't enjoy watching people getting burned at stakes as far as I know, and there are limits to what they can do... There is talk of Trump getting impeached if he crosses certain lines. Trump does what he thinks is "right for America", but he forgets to weigh the (long-term) consequences of many of his actions, likely out of ignorance to a large extent. Erdogan... he barely won the referendum in his country despite all the propaganda (and the "no" side being virtually absent). I doubt that he will be able to do too much real damage to his own country or neighboring countries as he has lukewarm support (at best) from his population, assuming that the referendum was fair and that there weren't gross anomalies.

Imagine how much worst the situation would be in Turkey or the US if instead of having an "indirect democracy", there was a "dictatorship" led by Erdogan/Trump. Indirect democracies still offer some protection from despots, though I don't consider either to qualify as a despot yet (just as idiotic politicians).

Edit #2: A quote from Erdogan himself on democracy: "According to this view, democracy is a product of western culture, and it cannot be applied to the Middle East which has a different cultural, religious, sociological and historical background". He is clearly not too hot for democracy.

[MuhammadHamza1]

Hitler is in a class of his own. He suspended the democratic process of his country by bringing it into a "state of emergency" (edit: to be precise, it was called the "Enabling Act" or the "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich" and was to last 4 years but was renewed twice). Trump and Erdogan are fools in many respects, but they don't enjoy watching people getting burned at stakes as far as I know, and there are limits to what they can do... There is talk of Trump getting impeached if he crosses certain lines. Trump does what he thinks is "right for America", but he forgets to weigh the (long-term) consequences of many of his actions, likely out of ignorance to a large extent. Erdogan... he barely won the referendum in his country despite all the propaganda (and the "no" side being virtually absent). I doubt that he will be able to do too much real damage to his own country or neighboring countries as he has lukewarm support (at best) from his population, assuming that the referendum was fair and that there weren't gross anomalies.

Imagine how much worst the situation would be in Turkey or the US if instead of having an "indirect democracy", there was a "dictatorship" led by Erdogan/Trump. Indirect democracies still offer some protection from despots, though I don't consider either to qualify as a despot yet (just as idiotic politicians).

Edit #2: A quote from Erdogan himself on democracy: "According to this view, democracy is a product of western culture, and it cannot be applied to the Middle East which has a different cultural, religious, sociological and historical background". He is clearly not too hot for democracy.

I can say many things.
And I can beat you on all forums.
But the thing is,they will delete my comments again.

[fyi]

What we have are indirect democracies where we choose representatives that are suppose to speak towards our interests for the next 4-5 years or so. Ideally, in a very advanced society, we should have more referendums and opportunities to vote on more issues, therefore a more direct democracy, but an indirect democracy is still a step up from most authoritarian regimes (from monarchies to dictatorships). I am optimistic in believing that overall, the human society is gradually improving... people are becoming more educated, poverty is slowly decreasing, people are getting better access to primary healthcare and so forth. We need to continue to work towards making our societies better, however.

EDIT: Medieval Europe is certainly not a role-model to follow... it is setting the bar very low.

I know very well what the term 'democracy' means. I am letting you look it up for yourself as I find that there is nothing better than self-education for people like you.

It's not about people choosing someone who can voice their needs it's about who can deceive the people the most that gets to choose what the people need and what they don't.

[M.I.A.]

The problem is that not everybody is a Muslim, and not all Muslims abide to the islamqa Salafi perspective. It is unfair to impose your personal convictions onto others, especially if you are the minority in the area. At least in a democracy, everybody gets to have a voice, and education is strongly encouraged since better informed citizens tend to make better decisions.

Its not really unfair to impose views, methods of thinking or methods of action.

...if you had a job.. if you have a job.. then you obviously have to think differently.

The objective is differing.

The ways people behave at work influences the business and customers of the business..

Does it not?

...almost relevant to the thread..

And opposing interests.

...and then reality tv came along.


Also i am... non.. denominational..

I cant argue about the fairness of life.


Only that the term "life" is indiscriminate of faith..

We all live it.

We all try and make sense of it.

[MuhammadHamza1]

Plz refer and recommend to others my new post explaining slavery in Islam.

[M.I.A.]

Plz refer and recommend to others my new post explaining slavery in Islam.

...agreed.

Label yourself a freeman..

And start a club.


22 degrees outside.. and nobody is buying ice-cream. Go figure

[MuhammadHamza1]

...agreed.

Label yourself a freeman..

And start a club.


22 degrees outside.. and nobody is buying ice-cream. Go figure

I do not understand what you are saying.
Moreover,
Why is it wrong to explain other issues?

[M.I.A.]

Sorry. Lol, private meltdowns are better than public ones.

Carry on.

...22 degrees and guess what they want to buy today?

Cakes.


Couldnt make it up if you tried.

[MuhammadHamza1]

Sorry. Lol, private meltdowns are better than public ones.

Carry on.

...22 degrees and guess what they want to buy today?

Cakes.


Couldnt make it up if you tried.

I still cannot understand you.
You are angering me.Plz stop.

[AbdurRahman.]

I still cannot understand you.
You are angering me.Plz stop.

lololol brother!!!!!!!

there is something you need to know about our M.i.A. :Emoji47:
dont even try to understand what he says lest you turn out 'bonkers' like him!!!:Emoji47::Emoji47::Emoji47::Emoji47:

he just pretends to be nuts most of time!:Emoji48:

[M.I.A.]

I still cannot understand you.
You are angering me.Plz stop.

Its ok anger is a passing feeling. If you dont act upon it the no real harm is done to others.

...although the mentality ill are 40% more likely to be violently assaulted.

Very strange.

The good news is i gave up smoking years ago.