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sister herb
06-03-2017, 04:40 PM
Saturday 3 June 2017

Children under 16 told ‘overly religious’ names such as Saddam, Hajj and Jihad must be changed amid pro-Communist rallies across Xinjiang region

Muslim children in China’s far western Xinjiang region are being forced to change their “religious” names and adults are being coerced into attending rallies showing devotion to the officially atheist Communist party.

During Ramadan, the authorities in Xinjiang have ordered all children under 16 to change names where police have determined they are “overly religious”. As many as 15 names have been banned, including Islam, Quran, Mecca, Jihad, Imam, Saddam, Hajj, Medina and Arafat, according to Radio Free Asia.

In April authorities banned certain names for newborns that were deemed to have religious connotations, but the new order expands forced name changes to anyone under 16, the age at which Chinese citizens are issued a national identity card.

The order coincided with millions gathering at 50,000 individual rallies across Xinjiang this week to pledge allegiance to the Communist party. More than a quarter of the region’s population sang the national anthem at 9am on 29 May and pledged allegiance to the Communist party, according to state media reports.

Xinjiang’s Muslims mostly belonging to the Uighur ethnic group, a Turkic people. The region has occasionally seen sporadic violence which China blames on international terrorist groups. But overseas observers say the vast majority of incidents are a result of local grievances.

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-western-china
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Mustafa16
06-03-2017, 05:02 PM
It's disgusting how almost no Muslims besides ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Turks care about the Uyghur people. This is disgusting what the Chinese are doing. This is what communism does.
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Serinity
06-03-2017, 05:20 PM
:salam:

ISIS would become a good guy if they took over China and North Korea.. Or at least supported the oppressed in Syria.

If they really speak of an Islamic State, they should help us not kill us.
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sister herb
06-03-2017, 05:21 PM
I wouldn´t blame about this the whole communism but people whose use it wrong. It´s same if one Muslim does something wrong and then the whole religion is guilty.
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Mustafa16
06-03-2017, 07:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
I wouldn´t blame about this the whole communism but people whose use it wrong. It´s same if one Muslim does something wrong and then the whole religion is guilty.
Under communism, there is no incentive to work because everyone makes the same amount of money. The only people who make more money are members of the elite "vanguard party" and they end up worshipping the state. You can not say that every person in a society has the same economic value. Karl Marx, the founder of communism, said that under communism it would be "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." In the absence of economic incentives, states have to use force to get people to work. Just look at Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Fidel Castro, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Kim Jong Un (although i believe north korea stopped being communist). He also said, "religion is the opium of the masses" meaning people use religion as a reason to justify their poverty. He compared religion to OPIUM. A HARD DRUG.
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anatolian
06-03-2017, 07:41 PM
Uyghurs have always been oppressed in China less or more because of their Muslim and Turkic identity. Nothing changes.
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sister herb
06-03-2017, 08:34 PM
I think that many tribes and nations were under the oppression of China long before the communism. So, guilty is not some political & economical ideology. Plus China´s communism is nowadays very pale. You can´t distinguish it from the pure capitalist system. It´s only waisting of time name "communism" as reason for the oppression of Uyghurs.
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Zafran
06-04-2017, 01:37 AM
salaam

There is always been unrest with Uigurs in china due to separatism unlike the Hui Muslims.
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سيف الله
08-13-2017, 10:41 PM
Salaam

Another update

China’s Muslim banned from using their own language in schools

Regional government accused of ‘cultural genocide’.


A majority Muslim group in China have been banned from using its language in schools.

The Uighur population in the restive western Xinjiang province, are ethnically distinct from China’s majority Han population.

Recent years have seen bloody clashes in the region, which the Chinese government blames on Islamist militants and separatists. But rights groups say the unrest is more a reaction to repressive policies, and argue that the new measures may end up pushing some Uighurs into extremism.

Although the Chinese government recognises 56 different ethnic minorities – including Uighurs – in the country, they have tried to crack down on expressions of individuality to create a homogenous society under Communism.

In late June, the Education Department in Hotan province (Hetian in Chinese) issued an a five-point directive which forbade teaching in the Uighur language in schools.

Schools must “insist on fully popularising the national common language and writing system according to law, and add the education of ethnic language under the bilingual education basic principle”, Radio Free Asia reported.

It said schools must ban the use of Uighur language in “collective activities, public activities and management work of the education system” and “resolutely correct the flawed method of providing Uighur language training to Chinese language teachers”.

When children go back to school in the Autumn, it said that Mandarin “must be resolutely and fully implemented” for the three years of preschool, and then “promoted” from the first years of elementary and middle school “in order to realise the full coverage of the common language and writing system education.”

It warned that any school which “plays politics” and refuses to implement the edict will be accused of being “two-faced” and shall be “severely punished”.

The national government in Beijing says it is attempting to introduce a “bilingual system” in the region’s schools to facilitate the dual use of both Mandarin and Uighur, but in practice schools in the region are being forced to be monolingual.

Ilshat Hassan, the president of the US-based Uighur American Association, said the regional government was breaking China’s own laws on the respect of ethnic minorities.

Under Articles 10 and 37 of the Chinese constitution, ethnic minorities have a right to preserve their own languages and traditions and students are supposed to be able “where possible [to] use textbooks in their own languages and use these languages as a media of instruction”.

Mr Hassan said the new policy is designed to “eradicate one of the most ancient Turkic languages in the world.”

He said: “By enforcing this new policy at the preschool level, the Chinese government intends to kill the Uighur language at the cradle. It is nothing short of cultural genocide. The international community must not allow China to destroy our beautiful language and culture, which has thrived for several millennia.”

http://www.hizb.org.uk/news-watch/chinas-muslim-banned-using-language-schools/
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Mustafa16
08-14-2017, 12:03 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Junon
Salaam

Another update

China’s Muslim banned from using their own language in schools

Regional government accused of ‘cultural genocide’.


A majority Muslim group in China have been banned from using its language in schools.

The Uighur population in the restive western Xinjiang province, are ethnically distinct from China’s majority Han population.

Recent years have seen bloody clashes in the region, which the Chinese government blames on Islamist militants and separatists. But rights groups say the unrest is more a reaction to repressive policies, and argue that the new measures may end up pushing some Uighurs into extremism.

Although the Chinese government recognises 56 different ethnic minorities – including Uighurs – in the country, they have tried to crack down on expressions of individuality to create a homogenous society under Communism.

In late June, the Education Department in Hotan province (Hetian in Chinese) issued an a five-point directive which forbade teaching in the Uighur language in schools.

Schools must “insist on fully popularising the national common language and writing system according to law, and add the education of ethnic language under the bilingual education basic principle”, Radio Free Asia reported.

It said schools must ban the use of Uighur language in “collective activities, public activities and management work of the education system” and “resolutely correct the flawed method of providing Uighur language training to Chinese language teachers”.

When children go back to school in the Autumn, it said that Mandarin “must be resolutely and fully implemented” for the three years of preschool, and then “promoted” from the first years of elementary and middle school “in order to realise the full coverage of the common language and writing system education.”

It warned that any school which “plays politics” and refuses to implement the edict will be accused of being “two-faced” and shall be “severely punished”.

The national government in Beijing says it is attempting to introduce a “bilingual system” in the region’s schools to facilitate the dual use of both Mandarin and Uighur, but in practice schools in the region are being forced to be monolingual.

Ilshat Hassan, the president of the US-based Uighur American Association, said the regional government was breaking China’s own laws on the respect of ethnic minorities.

Under Articles 10 and 37 of the Chinese constitution, ethnic minorities have a right to preserve their own languages and traditions and students are supposed to be able “where possible [to] use textbooks in their own languages and use these languages as a media of instruction”.

Mr Hassan said the new policy is designed to “eradicate one of the most ancient Turkic languages in the world.”

He said: “By enforcing this new policy at the preschool level, the Chinese government intends to kill the Uighur language at the cradle. It is nothing short of cultural genocide. The international community must not allow China to destroy our beautiful language and culture, which has thrived for several millennia.”

http://www.hizb.org.uk/news-watch/ch...guage-schools/
They're doing to the Uighurs what the Turks did to the Kurds. What the US should do is arm the Uighurs (who Erdogan recently declared their separatist organization a terrorist group in an effort to distance himself from US :facepalm:), namely the moderate Uighur rebels. @anatolian @sister herb
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sister herb
08-14-2017, 08:59 AM
The USA isn´t going to arm Uighurs as it´s political and economical ties with China are more important to them than rights of some minority group in China. Plus at this time USA also needs China to the same front againts North Korea.

Also, don´t bring Turks and Erdogan to every topics. Soon this topic too is full of gulenists and erdoganists. It´s possible that also few kemalists and ottomanists will follow. Let´s keep this thread in China.
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سيف الله
01-29-2018, 01:16 AM
Salaam

Another update

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سيف الله
02-23-2018, 11:10 PM
Salaam

A quick summary of whats going on

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سيف الله
04-01-2018, 09:51 PM
Salaam

Another update

Pakistanis distressed as Uighur wives vanish in China dragnet

"China is our friend and this incident will leave a bad taste," according to Javed Hussain, a member of the local assembly for the Pakistani region that borders Xinjiang.

Every autumn on the mountainous Karakoram Highway, part of the ancient Silk Road, groups of Pakistani merchants living in China's far west would wave goodbye to their Chinese wives and cross the border to spend winter in their home country.

As the snow piled high, the men would stay in touch with their families by phone, longing for the spring thaw that would allow them to be reunited in Xinjiang. But last year many of their calls suddenly went unanswered. Their families, they learned, had disappeared into a growing network of shadowy "reeducation centres" that have swept up the region's Uighur Muslim minority over fears of militancy crossing the border from Pakistan.

"My wife and kids were taken away by the Chinese authorities in March last year and I haven't heard from them since," said Iqbal, a Pakistani businessman who declined to give his surname over concern about his family's safety.

Last July, he headed to China to find them, but was turned away at the border. Authorities "said my wife was in 'training' and the government was taking care of my kids", he told AFP.

"I begged them to let me talk to my daughters, but they refused."

Iqbal is one of dozens of merchants from Gilgit-Baltistan who return to Pakistan for visa reasons or to run their businesses and have been unable to contact their Uighur families living in China, according to Javed Hussain, a member of the local assembly for the Pakistani region that borders Xinjiang. Earlier this month, the delegates passed a unanimous resolution protesting the "illegal detention" of the men's families.

"The Chinese authorities should at least allow the men to meet their wives and children," Hussain said.

"China is our friend and this incident will leave a bad taste."

China's foreign ministry said that the "two sides are maintaining communication about problems related to interactions between both countries' people", while Pakistan's said the issue was being "actively discussed with the government of China".

'Eliminating extremism'

Like many of the men, Iqbal's family lived in Kashgar, an ancient city along the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a trade route connecting China's far west to the Arabian Sea port of Gwadar. In recent years, China has heavily pushed its relationship with Pakistan, investing tens of billions of dollars in CPEC infrastructure projects in the country, and Beijing has upgraded the treacherous mountain road connecting Gilgit-Baltistan to Xinjiang.

But China has had difficulty reconciling its desire for development with fears that Uighur separatists will import violence from Pakistan. Chinese authorities have long linked their crackdown on Xinjiang's Muslims to international counter-terrorism, arguing that separatists are bent on joining foreign militants like al Qaeda. Uighurs have been tied to mass stabbings and bombings that left dozens dead in recent years across the country. Riots and clashes with the government killed hundreds more.

Over the past year, China has turned to increasingly drastic methods to eliminate what it describes as the "three forces": terrorists, religious extremists and separatists. In 2017, the government flooded Xinjiang with tens of thousands of security personnel, with police stations on nearly every block in urban areas and tough regulations to "eliminate extremism". This included the increased use of compulsory "reeducation" for anyone suspected of harbouring separatist sympathies.

'Threat' from Pakistan

Iqbal and the other Pakistani men believe their wives - and even business associates - have been targeted because they received calls and messages from Pakistan.

"Any communication from Pakistan is considered a threat," said Qurban, a businessman who has worked in Kashgar for over 30 years.

"One of my employees, a Uighur, was picked up two years back just because he was in touch with me when I went to Pakistan."

Chinese authorities have denied the existence of reeducation centres. But regulations against militancy adopted by Xinjiang last March call for authorities to step up political reeducation. In Kashgar alone, more than 120,000 people - about three percent of the area's population - were being held in the facilities in January, according to Radio Free Asia. An AFP review of state media reports and government documents verified the existence of at least 30 such centres and almost 4,000 cases of people being sent to them.

Regulations posted on a local website in Xinjiang's Hejing county explained that even minor transgressions of strict religious regulations can be punished with up to three months in a centre. Ali, a businessman who lost contact with his wife in December, said she had been taken by authorities to do a "sort of training where they teach them about Communism and prepare them to be patriotic citizens".

"My wife told me that Chinese police had come to her house and asked her about the calls from Pakistan and asked her to explain her links with ETIM," said Ali, referring to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a militant group China has accused of attempting to foment Uighur separatism.

He plans to cross the border in May to find his family, but has been told his children are in the custody of the Chinese government and doesn't know if he will see them again.

"They never tell you anything, they just say your family will come back to you when they finish their training."

https://www.trtworld.com/asia/pakistanis-distressed-as-uighur-wives-vanish-in-china-dragnet-16204
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JustTime
04-01-2018, 11:15 PM
And there are Murtads on this forum who praise Russia and North Korea the biggest allies of China, Assad and Iran.
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JustTime
04-02-2018, 01:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
The USA isn´t going to arm Uighurs as it´s political and economical ties with China are more important to them than rights of some minority group in China. Plus at this time USA also needs China to the same front againts North Korea.

Also, don´t bring Turks and Erdogan to every topics. Soon this topic too is full of gulenists and erdoganists. It´s possible that also few kemalists and ottomanists will follow. Let´s keep this thread in China.
The Munafiq Erdogan loves Russia and China,
And those of you ignorant in this regard just look up The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan...n_Organisation
This is what Erdogan the Munafiq stands for
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azc
04-02-2018, 02:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
The Munafiq Erdogan loves Russia and China,
And those of you ignorant in this regard just look up The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan...n_Organisation
This is what Erdogan the Munafiq stands for
So you have personal enmity with Erdogan.

format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
And there are Murtads on this forum who praise Russia and North Korea the biggest allies of China, Assad and Iran.
How many murtads are on the forum...?
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AllahIsAl-Malik
04-02-2018, 11:22 AM
How can any Muslims defend communism?

If you can take some of their ideas and apply them from an Islamic standpoint, I don't think that is wrong. For example, I have a book by Imran Hosein where he mentions a strategy of Mao.

Some of them have interesting things to say. For example, Che had some interesting things to say. Fidel said some true things. Mao had some interesting ideas. I read Lenin's book on imperialism and I liked it.

But unless you are taking bits and pieces and removing everything that goes against Islam, I don't think we should be for communism.

If Marx wants to critique capitalism, I don't really care. He might have had some points.

In Somalia, they had a mixture of socialism and Islam. In Latin America, they had theology of liberation where they were Christian socialists.

I think that sort of thing sounds intriguing. As long as Muslims are Muslims who happen to be curious about Marx and who reject everything that goes against Islam, I don't think it's wrong.

But if that's the approach, I think we should be fiercely attacking Marx wherever he goes against Islam.

The other thing is you would have to seriously know Islam very, very well and be very rooted in Islamic knowledge to make sure that nothing that goes against Islam is accepted.

But communism in the Chinese form where they are trying to force atheism on people... that is wrong. That the Chinese communists are oppressing Muslims is wrong and makes me angry. I think there might be something interesting if Marx is reinterpreted from an Islamic point of view, whatever grains of truth he presents are shown and wherever he is wrong he is fiercely attacked. But honestly, Islam has zakat and so there's already a form of socialism built into it. And reading Marx could be dangerous. I think only from a very firm foundation of Islamic knowledge would it be reasonable to try to dig and find what okay ideas he has. But what is unquestionable I think is that standard, atheistic communism is evil and should be fiercely opposed. I am disgusted and by China's oppression of Muslims. It makes me sad because how can China claim to be following Lenin? Lenin did write a book that I really liked called "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism"... how can China claim to be anti-imperialist, have criticized the Soviets for imperialism and then impose imperialism on Muslims? And if Lenin himself forced atheism then he went against what he himself claimed to stand for.

I feel like we are living in 1984 where the banner of anti-imperialism is carried by people who themselves are imperialists a la 1984's concept of DoubleSpeak.
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JustTime
04-02-2018, 05:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AllahIsAl-Malik
How can any Muslims defend communism?

If you can take some of their ideas and apply them from an Islamic standpoint, I don't think that is wrong. For example, I have a book by Imran Hosein where he mentions a strategy of Mao.

Some of them have interesting things to say. For example, Che had some interesting things to say. Fidel said some true things. Mao had some interesting ideas. I read Lenin's book on imperialism and I liked it.

But unless you are taking bits and pieces and removing everything that goes against Islam, I don't think we should be for communism.

If Marx wants to critique capitalism, I don't really care. He might have had some points.

In Somalia, they had a mixture of socialism and Islam. In Latin America, they had theology of liberation where they were Christian socialists.

I think that sort of thing sounds intriguing. As long as Muslims are Muslims who happen to be curious about Marx and who reject everything that goes against Islam, I don't think it's wrong.

But if that's the approach, I think we should be fiercely attacking Marx wherever he goes against Islam.

The other thing is you would have to seriously know Islam very, very well and be very rooted in Islamic knowledge to make sure that nothing that goes against Islam is accepted.

But communism in the Chinese form where they are trying to force atheism on people... that is wrong. That the Chinese communists are oppressing Muslims is wrong and makes me angry. I think there might be something interesting if Marx is reinterpreted from an Islamic point of view, whatever grains of truth he presents are shown and wherever he is wrong he is fiercely attacked. But honestly, Islam has zakat and so there's already a form of socialism built into it. And reading Marx could be dangerous. I think only from a very firm foundation of Islamic knowledge would it be reasonable to try to dig and find what okay ideas he has. But what is unquestionable I think is that standard, atheistic communism is evil and should be fiercely opposed. I am disgusted and by China's oppression of Muslims. It makes me sad because how can China claim to be following Lenin? Lenin did write a book that I really liked called "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism"... how can China claim to be anti-imperialist, have criticized the Soviets for imperialism and then impose imperialism on Muslims? And if Lenin himself forced atheism then he went against what he himself claimed to stand for.

I feel like we are living in 1984 where the banner of anti-imperialism is carried by people who themselves are imperialists a la 1984's concept of DoubleSpeak.
It's a sad world we live in were Muslims defend Communism this isn't new and isn't going anywhere soon make Dua for the sincere.

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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
So you have personal enmity with Erdogan.


How many murtads are on the forum...?
Personal? Yes it is because this Ummah is a body and when one part of such a body aches the entire body responds and Erdogan has murdered, lied, and cheated this Ummah. I used to like him then I became a Muslim.

As for the number? Wa Allahu alim
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azc
04-02-2018, 05:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
It's a sad world we live in were Muslims defend Communism this isn't new and isn't going anywhere soon make Dua for the sincere.

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Personal? Yes it is because this Ummah is a body and when one part of such a body aches the entire body responds and Erdogan has murdered, lied, and cheated this Ummah. I used to like him then I became a Muslim.

As for the number? Wa Allahu alim
Being too bold, sometimes, entails kufr
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Karl
04-03-2018, 11:12 PM
I hope Trump nukes China. I suppose China is consistent about being anti religion and Islam. Where as the West loves and hates religion and Islam. Maybe killing all the commies in the West would fix the problem. Are commies groups of separate species different from conservatives?
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JustTime
04-07-2018, 06:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karl
I hope Trump nukes China. I suppose China is consistent about being anti religion and Islam. Where as the West loves and hates religion and Islam. Maybe killing all the commies in the West would fix the problem. Are commies groups of separate species different from conservatives?
If Trump nukes China the Muslims therein would die too
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سيف الله
04-07-2018, 08:20 PM
Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by Karl
I hope Trump nukes China. I suppose China is consistent about being anti religion and Islam. Where as the West loves and hates religion and Islam. Maybe killing all the commies in the West would fix the problem. Are commies groups of separate species different from conservatives?
^o)



I think your idea would be categorised as a 'bad' idea.
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Karl
04-08-2018, 01:01 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
If Trump nukes China the Muslims therein would die too
It's just a white mans way of letting off steam. I don't really mean it. China has the most fertile land in the world so nuking it would be unforgiveable. And the pandas are so cute, how could anyone kill them? Passive resistance by Muslims would be the best option because if the state feels threatened it will destroy it's enemies. China is collaborating with Agenda 21 as they are forcing rural rustic inhabitants who prefer to live a pre-industrial unpolluted quiet and simple life into modern polluted noisy Western style cities.
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سيف الله
04-09-2018, 12:21 AM
Salaam

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China’s strategy to deal with Uighur fighters fleeing Syria and Iraq

China is moving on multiple fronts to pre-empt in the short-term Uighur foreign fighters fleeing Syria and Iraq from reasserting themselves in Central Asia and longer term prevent the emergence of an ever more vocal Diaspora like what Tibetans have achieved.

The multi-pronged Chinese approach involves weaving Afghanistan more firmly into the fabric of China’s Belt and Road initiative, potentially establishing China’s first land-locked foreign military base, forcing repatriation of Uighurs abroad and preventing Uighur residents of Xinjiang from travelling abroad without first having been re-educated.

Already Afghanistan’s largest investor with a $3 billion, 30-year lease of a copper mine, China is seeking to link the country to its $50 billion plus investment in the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) in a bid to stabilize the Central Asian nation and stop Uighur fighters from regrouping in the Wakhan Corridor, a narrow strip on Afghanistan’s 76-klimoetre long border with China.

The Chinese campaign to squash the emergence of a more effective Uighur Diaspora is partly driven by a desire not to allow Uighurs to follow the example of exile Tibetans who aided by the voice of the Dalai Lama have created a vocal opposition-in-exile.

Estimates of the number of Uyghurs in Syria and Iraq, who earned a reputation on par with that of their battle-hardened Chechen counterparts, range from five to ten thousand. Many paid thousands of dollars to smugglers who helped them make their way to the Middle East. They came in all shades, some deeply religious, others more nationalistic, all embittered by repression in Xinjiang and what they saw as an effort to erase their Uighur identity at whatever price.

A majority saw their participation in battles far from home as a training for the struggle they really cared about: China’s strategic Xinjiang province. “We didn’t care how the fighting went or who Assad was. We just wanted to learn how to use the weapons and then go back to China,” a Uighur fighter told a reporter last month.

US officials have been tracking a trek of Islamic State fighters into north and eastern Afghanistan, believed by Afghan officials to number 3,000. US and Afghan concerns were boosted by a recent report by the Institute for the Study of War that Afghanistan had again emerged as ”a safe haven for terrorist plots.” It isn’t clear how many Uighurs may be among those that made their way to Central Asia.

A video released last month by the Turkistan Islamic Party, a group affiliated with Al Qaeda that played a key role in the 2015 capture of the Syrian province of Idlib, showed Uighur and Taliban fighters overrunning remote Afghan military outposts in mountainous terrain, killing or capturing Afghan troops, and using seized US-made Humvees.

China has denied reports by Afghan officials that it was helping build a military facility in Wakhan that could be used by Chinese forces. Local residents, nonetheless, reported having seen joint Afghan-Chinese patrols in the area while China affirms that it has provided Afghanistan $70 million in military aid in the last three years and is helping the country with capacity-building.

China appeared in December to have persuaded Pakistan and Afghanistan to engage in a wide-ranging dialogue designed to reduce differences between them and facilitate Afghanistan’s closer affiliation with CPEC and the Belt and Road. However, three months later, little progress appears to have been achieved.

China is moving on multiple fronts to pre-empt in the short-term Uighur foreign fighters fleeing Syria and Iraq from reasserting themselves in Central Asia and longer term prevent the emergence of an ever more vocal Diaspora like what Tibetans have achieved.

Meanwhile, Chinese has sought to physically reduce the Uighur Diaspora by persuading countries like Egypt, Thailand and Vietnam to either detain or forcibly return overseas Uighurs. Malaysia has been mulling for months a Chinese demand for the extradition of 11 Uyghurs who made their way to the southeast Asian nation after escaping from a Thai detention centre. In France, Chinese police have demanded that Uighurs hand over personal information, photos, and identity documents — and in some cases, the personal information of their French spouses. The police contacted Uighurs directly via phone or WeChat, a Chinese messaging app, or have paid visits to their family members in China, asking relatives to convey their demands.

Uighurs in the United States, Turkey, Australia, and Egypt who failed to respond to demands like those made of French Uighurs have been ordered to return to China. Some, who returned, often to avoid repercussions for their families, have been arrested. Others are reported to have disappeared.

Major political parties and business organizations in Gilgit-Baltistan have threatened to shut down the Pakistan-China border if Beijing does not release some 50 Uighur women married to Pakistani men from the region, who have been detained in Xinjiang. The province’s legislative assembly unanimously called on the government in Islamabad to take up the issue.

The women, many of whom are practicing Muslims and done religious attire, are believed to have been detained in re-education camps for the past year. Hundreds, if not thousands of Uighurs in Xinjiang itself have been forced into re-education camps without due process as part of the rollout in Xinjiang of the world’s most intrusive and repressive public surveillance system.

China appeared in December to have persuaded Pakistan and Afghanistan to engage in a wide-ranging dialogue designed to reduce differences between them and facilitate Afghanistan’s closer affiliation with CPEC and the Belt and Road.

The system involves cameras on streets equipped with facial recognition software and a DNA database that ultimately will include all residents. The database categorizes them as safe or unsafe. ID readers at bus stops, train stations, and shopping malls were being installed to ensure that those deemed unsafe are barred entry.

Authorities in at least one autonomous prefecture in Xinjiang have added ‘interest in travel abroad’ to the list of reasons for detaining Uighurs and dispatching them to re-education camps. The Chinese campaign to squash the emergence of a more effective Uighur Diaspora is partly driven by a desire not to allow Uighurs to follow the example of exile Tibetans who aided by the voice of the Dalai Lama have created a vocal opposition-in-exile.

It is also fuelled by the fact that many of those who initially fled Xinjiang to escape repression and marginalization and build a better life elsewhere were aided once they left China by militants who steered them towards the Middle East and Islamic militancy. Said a Chinese official: “You can’t uproot all the weeds hidden among the crops in the field one by one—you need to spray chemicals to kill them all. Re-educating these people is like spraying chemicals on the crops. That is why it is a general re-education, not limited to a few people.”

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/china-moves-to-counter-violent-and-non-violent-expressions-of-uighur-identity/

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rebelutionary
04-09-2018, 03:52 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AllahIsAl-Malik
How can any Muslims defend communism?

If you can take some of their ideas and apply them from an Islamic standpoint, I don't think that is wrong. For example, I have a book by Imran Hosein where he mentions a strategy of Mao.

Some of them have interesting things to say. For example, Che had some interesting things to say. Fidel said some true things. Mao had some interesting ideas. I read Lenin's book on imperialism and I liked it.

But unless you are taking bits and pieces and removing everything that goes against Islam, I don't think we should be for communism.

If Marx wants to critique capitalism, I don't really care. He might have had some points.

In Somalia, they had a mixture of socialism and Islam. In Latin America, they had theology of liberation where they were Christian socialists.

I think that sort of thing sounds intriguing. As long as Muslims are Muslims who happen to be curious about Marx and who reject everything that goes against Islam, I don't think it's wrong.

But if that's the approach, I think we should be fiercely attacking Marx wherever he goes against Islam.

The other thing is you would have to seriously know Islam very, very well and be very rooted in Islamic knowledge to make sure that nothing that goes against Islam is accepted.

But communism in the Chinese form where they are trying to force atheism on people... that is wrong. That the Chinese communists are oppressing Muslims is wrong and makes me angry. I think there might be something interesting if Marx is reinterpreted from an Islamic point of view, whatever grains of truth he presents are shown and wherever he is wrong he is fiercely attacked. But honestly, Islam has zakat and so there's already a form of socialism built into it. And reading Marx could be dangerous. I think only from a very firm foundation of Islamic knowledge would it be reasonable to try to dig and find what okay ideas he has. But what is unquestionable I think is that standard, atheistic communism is evil and should be fiercely opposed. I am disgusted and by China's oppression of Muslims. It makes me sad because how can China claim to be following Lenin? Lenin did write a book that I really liked called "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism"... how can China claim to be anti-imperialist, have criticized the Soviets for imperialism and then impose imperialism on Muslims? And if Lenin himself forced atheism then he went against what he himself claimed to stand for.

I feel like we are living in 1984 where the banner of anti-imperialism is carried by people who themselves are imperialists a la 1984's concept of DoubleSpeak.
same way you can defend a monarchy!

also how is an arabic name an islamic name? a lot of people in Indonesia don't have Islamic names, does that make them any less muslim?
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JustTime
04-09-2018, 02:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rebelutionary
same way you can defend a monarchy!

also how is an arabic name an islamic name? a lot of people in Indonesia don't have Islamic names, does that make them any less muslim?
Communism and Islam are incompatible whereas Monarchy does flow with Islam, the Caliphate system itself is a monarchy.

If you are saying this out of ignorance you should repent, however if you disagree, know you are outside the fold of Islam and Communism is kufr.
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Mahir Adnan
04-09-2018, 06:54 PM
last year, in ramadan, china police compelled Muslims to break siyam (fasting). may Allah destroy china. -amin
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Alamgir
04-10-2018, 01:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
Communism and Islam are incompatible whereas Monarchy does flow with Islam, the Caliphate system itself is a monarchy.

If you are saying this out of ignorance you should repent, however if you disagree, know you are outside the fold of Islam and Communism is kufr.
Asalamu Alaikum

The Caliphate is not a monarchy, case in point, you've had Turks take the mantle.
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سيف الله
04-17-2018, 08:44 PM
Salaam

Another update, can anybody confirm what they are saying is on the subtitles?

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سيف الله
04-26-2018, 10:52 PM
Salaam

Another update





a response.

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سيف الله
05-18-2018, 12:01 AM
Salaam

Another update





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سيف الله
05-18-2018, 01:43 AM
Salaam

Another update

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smokelessfire
05-18-2018, 07:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
Communism and Islam are incompatible whereas Monarchy does flow with Islam, the Caliphate system itself is a monarchy.

If you are saying this out of ignorance you should repent, however if you disagree, know you are outside the fold of Islam and Communism is kufr.
If communism is Kufr, then so is a monarchy, do you know how you have to praise the king?
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سيف الله
05-26-2018, 01:36 PM
Salaam

This is apalling!



Shes clearly being coerced, look at the misery on her face :(
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Zzz_
05-26-2018, 06:37 PM
Uyghur mother's plea: "What about the oppressed Uyghur Muslims of #EastTurkestan?"

https://www.facebook.com/doamuslims/...9936031387292/


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AllahIsAl-Malik
06-04-2018, 01:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rebelutionary
same way you can defend a monarchy!

also how is an arabic name an islamic name? a lot of people in Indonesia don't have Islamic names, does that make them any less muslim?
Where did I say anything about monarchies or Arabic names?

format_quote Originally Posted by Karl
It's just a white mans way of letting off steam. I don't really mean it. China has the most fertile land in the world so nuking it would be unforgiveable. And the pandas are so cute, how could anyone kill them? Passive resistance by Muslims would be the best option because if the state feels threatened it will destroy it's enemies. China is collaborating with Agenda 21 as they are forcing rural rustic inhabitants who prefer to live a pre-industrial unpolluted quiet and simple life into modern polluted noisy Western style cities.
Being white doesn't entitle you to casually make genocidal threats. I believe that white people are human so I believe they're capable of abstaining from such grotesque behavior.

format_quote Originally Posted by Junon
Salaam
format_quote Originally Posted by Junon

This is apalling!



Shes clearly being coerced, look at the misery on her face :(
Wow that's depressing. I honestly feel almost violent watching that. It seriously disturbs me to see that.

format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime
Communism and Islam are incompatible whereas Monarchy does flow with Islam, the Caliphate system itself is a monarchy.

If you are saying this out of ignorance you should repent, however if you disagree, know you are outside the fold of Islam and Communism is kufr.
Yes, Communism is kufr.
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MuslimahRo
06-04-2018, 11:39 AM
This is horribe!!! May Allah Al Muntaqim defeat the wicked Chinese Government and all enemies of Muslims and Islam. These oppressed people should recite duas from The Quran and hadith to defeat oppressors and also certain names of Allah.

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The (Western) media makes it seem like Muslims are attacking others but all over the world, Muslims are the ones under attack.
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سيف الله
06-04-2018, 12:05 PM
Salaam

Another update. Wonder what game the sociopaths at the Economist is playing? Doubt they care about the plight of the Uighurs. More likely elite conflict amongst the globalists.

Nevertheless a informative article.


China has turned Xinjiang into a police state like no other

Totalitarian determination and modern technology have produced a massive abuse of human rights


“THE prophet Sulayman approached his son and said to him, ‘I have received a message from God. I want you to circle the Earth and see if there are more people who are alive in spirit or more people who are dead in spirit.’ After a period the son returned and said, ‘Father I went to many places and everywhere I went I saw more people who were dead than those who were alive.’”

Hasan shared that message on a WeChat social-messaging group in 2015, when he was 23. Born in Yarkand, a town in southern Xinjiang, Hasan had moved to the provincial capital, Urumqi, to sell jade and shoes and to learn more about Islam. He described himself to Darren Byler, an anthropologist from the University of Washington, as a Sufi wanderer, a pious man with a wife and small daughter, who prayed five times a day and disapproved of dancing and immodesty.

But in January 2015 the provincial government was demanding that everyone in Urumqi return to their native home to get a new identity card. “I am being forced to go back,” Hasan complained to Mr Byler. “The Yarkand police are calling me every day. They are making my parents call me and tell me the same thing.” Eventually, he and his family boarded a bus for the 20-hour journey home. It was hit by a truck. Hasan’s wife and daughter were killed. He was hospitalised. “It was the will of Allah,” he said.

Hasan hoped the authorities would allow him to return to Urumqi because of his injuries. No chance. Having lost wife, child and livelihood, Hasan lost his liberty, too. A fortnight after his accident, he was sent to a re-education camp for an indefinite period. There, for all his relatives know, he remains.

Hasan is one of hundreds of thousands of Uighurs, a Turkic-language people, who have disappeared in Xinjiang, China’s north-western province. It is an empty, far-flung place; Hasan’s home town of Yarkand is as close to Baghdad as it is to Beijing. It is also a crucial one. The region is China’s biggest domestic producer of oil and gas, and much of the fuel imported from Central Asia and Russia passes through on its way to the industries of the east coast. It is now a vital link in the Belt and Road Initiative, a foreign policy which aims to bind the Middle East and Europe to China with ties of infrastructure, investment and trade.

But on top of that it is the home of the Uighurs, the largest Muslim group in the country, and ethnically quite distinct from the Han Chinese. A recent history of Uighur unrest—in particular bloody inter-ethnic violence in Urumqi in 2009 that followed the murder of Uighurs elsewhere in China—and subsequent terrorism have sent the government’s repressive tendencies into overdrive. Under a new party boss, Chen Quanguo, appointed in 2016, the provincial government has vastly increased the money and effort it puts into controlling the activities and patrolling the beliefs of the Uighur population. Its regime is racist, uncaring and totalitarian, in the sense of aiming to affect every aspect of people’s lives. It has created a fully-fledged police state. And it is committing some of the most extensive, and neglected, human-rights violations in the world.

The not-quite-Gulag archipelago

The government is building hundreds or thousands of unacknowledged re-education camps to which Uighurs can be sent for any reason or for none. In some of them day-to-day conditions do not appear to be physically abusive as much as creepy. One released prisoner has said he was not permitted to eat until he had thanked Xi Jinping, the Chinese president, and the Communist Party. But there have been reports of torture at others. In January, 82-year-old Muhammad Salih Hajim, a respected religious scholar, died in detention in Urumqi.

Kashgar, the largest Uighur city, has four camps, of which the largest is in Number 5 Middle School. A local security chief said in 2017 that “approximately 120,000” people were being held in the city. In Korla, in the middle of the province, a security official recently said the camps are so full that officials in them are begging the police to stop bringing people.

As a result, more and more camps are being built: the re-education archipelago is adding islands even faster than the South China Sea. Adrian Zenz of the European School of Culture and Theology in Kortal, Germany, has looked at procurement contracts for 73 re-education camps. He found their total cost to have been 682m yuan ($108m), almost all spent since April 2017. Records from Akto, a county near the border with Kyrgyzstan, say it spent 9.6% of its budget on security (including camps) in 2017. In 2016 spending on security in the province was five times what it had been in 2007. By the end of 2017 it was ten times that: 59bn yuan.

For all this activity, the government has not officially confirmed that the camps exist. They are not governed by any judicial process; detentions are on the orders of the police or party officials, not the verdict of a court. A woman working as an undertaker was imprisoned for washing bodies according to Islamic custom. Thirty residents of Ili, a town near the Kazakh border, were detained “because they were suspected of wanting to travel abroad,” according to the local security chief. Other offences have included holding strong religious views, allowing others to preach religion, asking where one’s relatives are and failing to recite the national anthem in Chinese.

A significant chunk of the total Uighur population is interned in this way. If the rate of detention in Kashgar applied to the province as a whole, 5% of the Uighur population of 10m would be detained. Other evidence suggests that this is quite possible. In February Radio Free Asia (RFA), a broadcaster financed by an independent agency of the American government, cold-called 11 families at random in Araltobe, in the north of the province, far from the Uighurs’ heartland. Six said family members had been sent to camps. In a village later visited by Agence France Presse in Qaraqash county, near Hotan, a fifth of adults had been detained over four months.

Maya Wang of Human Rights Watch, an advocacy group, reckons the overall number detained may be 800,000. Timothy Grose, a professor at Rose-Hulman University in Indiana, puts the total between 500,000 and 1m, which would imply that something like a sixth to a third of young and middle-aged Uighur men are being detained, or have been at some point in the past year.

The Chinese government argues that harsh measures are needed to prevent violence associated with Uighur separatism. In 2013 a Uighur suicide-driver crashed his car into pedestrians in Tiananmen Square in Beijing. In 2014 a knife-wielding Uighur gang slaughtered 31 travellers at a train station in Kunming, Yunnan province, an incident some in China compared to the September 11th 2001 attacks on America. Unrest in Yarkand later that year led to a hundred deaths; an attack at a coal mine in Aksu killed 50 people. Kyrgyzstani authorities blamed Uighur terrorists for an attempt to blow up the Chinese embassy in Bishkek; Uighurs have been blamed for a bombing which killed 20 at a shrine in Bangkok popular with Chinese tourists.

There are worrying links, as the Chinese authorities are keen to point out, between Uighur separatism and global jihad, especially in the Uighur diaspora, which is based in Turkey. Chinese and Syrian officials say 1,500 Uighurs have fought with Islamic State (IS) or Jabhat al-Nusra (part of al-Qaeda) in Syria. A group called the Turkestan Islamic Party, which demands independence for Xinjiang, is banned under anti-terrorist laws in America and Europe. In 2016 a defector from IS provided a list of foreign recruits; 114 came from Xinjiang.

In the grid

But the system of repression in the province goes far beyond anything that would be justified by such proclivities and affiliations. In Hotan there is a new police station every 300 metres or so. They are called “convenience police stations”, as if they were shops—and in fact they do offer some consumer services, such as bottled water and phone recharging. The windowless stations, gunmetal grey, with forbidding grilles on their doors, are part of a “grid-management system” like that which Mr Chen pioneered when he was party boss in Tibet from 2011 to 2016. The authorities divide each city into squares, with about 500 people. Every square has a police station that keeps tabs on the inhabitants. So, in rural areas, does every village.

At a large checkpoint on the edge of Hotan a policeman orders everyone off a bus. The passengers (all Uighur) take turns in a booth. Their identity cards are scanned, photographs and fingerprints of them are taken, newly installed iris-recognition technology peers into their eyes. Women must take off their headscarves. Three young Uighurs are told to turn on their smartphones and punch in the passwords. They give the phones to a policeman who puts the devices into a cradle that downloads their contents for later analysis. One woman shouts at a policeman that he is Uighur, why is he looking at her phone?

There can be four or five checkpoints every kilometre. Uighurs go through them many times a day.

Shops and restaurants in Hotan have panic buttons with which to summon the police. The response time is one minute. Apparently because of the Kunming knife attack, knives and scissors are as hard to buy as a gun in Japan. In butchers and restaurants all over Xinjiang you will see kitchen knives chained to the wall, lest they be snatched up and used as weapons. In Aksu QR codes containing the owner’s identity-card information have to be engraved on every blade.

Remarkably, all shops and restaurants in Hotan must have a part-time policeman on duty. Thousands of shop assistants and waiters have been enrolled in the police to this end. Each is issued with a helmet, flak jacket and three-foot baton. They train in the afternoon. In the textile market these police officers sit in every booth and stall, selling things; their helmets and flak jackets, which are uncomfortable, are often doffed. A squad of full-time police walks through the market making sure security cameras are working and ordering shop assistants to put their helmets back on. Asked why they wear them, the assistants reply tersely “security”.

At the city’s railway station, travellers go through three rounds of bag checks before buying a ticket. On board, police walk up and down ordering Uighurs to open their luggage again. As the train pulls into Kashgar, it passes metal goods wagons. A toddler points at them shouting excitedly “Armoured car! Armoured car!” Paramilitary vehicles are more familiar to him than rolling stock.

Uniformed shop assistants, knife controls and “convenience police stations” are only the most visible elements of the police state. The province has an equally extensive if less visible regime that uses yet more manpower and a great deal of technology to create total surveillance.

Improving lives, winning hearts

Under a system called fanghuiju, teams of half a dozen—composed of policemen or local officials and always including one Uighur speaker, which almost always means a Uighur—go from house to house compiling dossiers of personal information. Fanghuiju is short for “researching people’s conditions, improving people’s lives, winning people’s hearts”. But the party refers to the work as “eradicating tumours”. The teams—over 10,000 in rural areas in 2017—report on “extremist” behaviour such as not drinking alcohol, fasting during Ramadan and sporting long beards. They report back on the presence of “undesirable” items, such as Korans, or attitudes—such as an “ideological situation” that is not in wholehearted support of the party.

Since the spring of 2017, the information has been used to rank citizens’ “trustworthiness” using various criteria. People are deemed trustworthy, average or untrustworthy depending on how they fit into the following categories: 15 to 55 years old (ie, of military age); Uighur (the catalogue is explicitly racist: people are suspected merely on account of their ethnicity); unemployed; have religious knowledge; pray five times a day (freedom of worship is guaranteed by China’s constitution); have a passport; have visited one of 26 countries; have ever overstayed a visa; have family members in a foreign country (there are at least 10,000 Uighurs in Turkey); and home school their children. Being labelled “untrustworthy” can lead to a camp.

To complete the panorama of human surveillance, the government has a programme called “becoming kin” in which local families (mostly Uighur) “adopt” officials (mostly Han). The official visits his or her adoptive family regularly, lives with it for short periods, gives the children presents and teaches the household Mandarin. He also verifies information collected by fanghuiju teams. The programme appears to be immense. According to an official report in 2018, 1.1m officials have been paired with 1.6m families. That means roughly half of Uighur households have had a Han-Chinese spy/indoctrinator assigned to them.

Such efforts map the province’s ideological territory family by family; technology maps the population’s activities street by street and phone by phone. In Hotan and Kashgar there are poles bearing perhaps eight or ten video cameras at intervals of 100-200 metres along every street; a far finer-grained surveillance net than in most Chinese cities. As well as watching pedestrians the cameras can read car number plates and correlate them with the face of the person driving. Only registered owners may drive cars; anyone else will be arrested, according to a public security official who accompanied this correspondent in Hotan. The cameras are equipped to work at night as well as by day.

Because the government sees what it calls “web cleansing” as necessary to prevent access to terrorist information, everyone in Xinjiang is supposed to have a spywear app on their mobile phone. Failing to install the app, which can identify people called, track online activity and record social-media use, is an offence. “Wi-Fi sniffers” in public places keep an eye, or nose, on all networked devices in range.

Next, the records associated with identity cards can contain biometric data including fingerprints, blood type and DNA information as well as the subject’s detention record and “reliability status”. The government collects a lot of this biometric material by stealth, under the guise of a public-health programme called “Physicals for All”, which requires people to give blood samples. Local officials “demanded [we] participate in the physicals,” one resident of Kashgar told Human Rights Watch, an NGO. “Not participating would have been seen as a problem…”

A system called the Integrated Joint Operations Platform (IJOP), first revealed by Human Rights Watch, uses machine-learning systems, information from cameras, smartphones, financial and family-planning records and even unusual electricity use to generate lists of suspects for detention. One official WeChat report said that verifying IJOP’s lists was one of the main responsibilities of the local security committee. Even without high-tech surveillance, Xinjiang’s police state is formidable. With it, it becomes terrifying.

In theory, the security system in Xinjiang applies to everyone equally. In practice it is as race-based as apartheid in South Africa was. The security apparatus is deployed in greatest force in the south-west, where around 80% of Uighurs live (see map). In a city like Shihezi, which is 95% Han, there are far fewer street checkpoints, if any, and a normal level of policing. Where there are checkpoints, Han Chinese are routinely waved through. Uighurs are always stopped.

The minarets torn down

Islam is a special target. In Hotan, the neighbourhood mosques have been closed, leaving a handful of large places of worship. Worshippers must register with the police before attending. At the entrance to the largest mosque in Kashgar, the Idh Kha—a famous place of pilgrimage—two policemen sit underneath a banner saying “Love the party, love the country”. Inside, a member of the mosque’s staff holds classes for local traders on how to be a good communist. In Urumqi the remaining mosques have had their minarets knocked down and their Islamic crescents torn off.

Some 29 Islamic names may no longer be given to children. In schools, Uighur-language instruction is vanishing—another of the trends which have markedly accelerated under Mr Chen. Dancing after prayers and specific Uighur wedding ceremonies and funerary rites are prohibited.

Unlike those of South Africa, the two main racial groups are well matched in size. According to the 2010 census, Uighurs account for 46% of the province’s population and Han Chinese 40% (the rest are smaller minorities such as Kazakhs and Kirgiz). But they live apart and see the land in distinct ways. Uighurs regard Xinjiang as theirs because they have lived in it for thousands of years. The Han Chinese regard it as theirs because they have built a modern economy in its deserts and mountains. They talk of bringing “modern culture” and “modern lifestyle” to the locals—by which they mean the culture and lifestyle of modern Han China.

So how have the Han and Uighur reacted to the imposition of a police state? Yang Jiehun and Xiao Junduo are Han Chinese veterans of the trade in Hotan jade (which the Chinese hold to be the best in the world, notably in its very pale “mutton-fat” form). Asked about security, they give big smiles, a thumbs-up and say the past year’s crackdown has been “really well received”. “In terms of public security, Urumqi is the safest it has ever been,” says Mr Xiao, whose family came to the province in the 1950s, when the People’s Liberation Army and state-owned enterprises were reinforcing the border with the Soviet Union. “The Uighurs are being helped out of poverty,” he avers. “They understand and support the policy.”

Not all Han Chinese in Xinjiang are quite as enthusiastic. Tens of thousands came to the province fairly recently, mostly in the 1990s, to seek their fortunes as independent traders and business people, rather than being transferred there by state-owned companies or the army. They approve of better security but dislike the damage being done to the economy—for example, the way movement controls make it harder to employ Uighurs. So far, this ambivalence is not seriously weakening the support among the Han and, for the government in Beijing, that is all that matters. It sees Xinjiang mainly as a frontier. The Han are the principal guarantors of border security. If they are happy, so is the government.

The Uighur reaction is harder to judge; open criticism or talking to outsiders can land you in jail. The crackdown has been effective inasmuch as there have been no (known) Uighur protests or attacks since early 2017. It seems likely that many people are bowing before the storm. As Sultan, a student in Kashgar, says with a shrug: “There’s nothing we can do about it.”

But there are reasons for thinking resentment is building up below the surface. According to anthropological work by Mr Byler and Joanne Smith Finley of Newcastle University in Britain, a religious revival had been under way before the imposition of today’s harsh control. Mosques were becoming more crowded, religious schools attracting more pupils. Now the schools and mosques are largely empty, even for Friday prayers. It is hard to believe that religious feeling has vanished. More likely a fair bit has gone underground.

And the position of Uighurs who co-operate with the Han authorities is becoming untenable. The provincial government needs the Uighur elite because its members have good relations with both sides. The expansion of the police state has added to the number of Uighurs it needs to co-opt. According to Mr Zenz and James Leibold of La Trobe University in Melbourne, 90% of the security jobs advertised in 2017 were “third tier” jobs for low-level police assistants: cheap, informal contracts which mainly go to Uighurs (see chart). But at the same time as needing more Uighurs, the authorities have made it clear that they do not trust them. Part of the repression has been aimed at “two-faced officials” who (the party says) are publicly supporting the security system while secretly helping victims. Simultaneously recruiting more Uighurs and distrusting them more creates an ever larger pool that might one day turn against the system from within.

A Han businessman who travels frequently between Urumqi and Kashgar says he used to feel welcome in the south. “Now it has all changed. They are not afraid. But they are resentful. They look at me as if they are wondering what I am doing in their country.” One of the few detainees released from the camps, Omurbek Eli, told RFA that the authorities “are planting the seeds of hatred and turning [detainees] into enemies. This is not just my view—the majority of people in the camp feel the same way.”

Hasan’s warning

China’s Communist rulers believe their police state limits separatism and reduces violence. But by separating the Uighur and Han further, and by imposing huge costs on one side that the other side, for the most part, blithely ignores, they are ratcheting up tension. The result is that both groups are drifting towards violence.

Before he disappeared, Hasan, the self-styled Sufi wanderer, expressed Xinjiang’s plight. “To be Uighur is hard,” he wrote on WeChat in 2015. “I don’t even know what I am accused of, but I must accept their judgment. I have no choice. Where there is no freedom, there is tension. Where there is tension there are incidents. Where there are incidents there are police. Where there are police there is no freedom.”

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2...-like-no-other
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سيف الله
07-31-2018, 07:44 PM
Salaam

Another update.

Islamic Leaders Have Nothing to Say About China’s Internment Camps for Muslims

Hundreds of thousands of Uighur have been detained without trial in China's western region of Xinjiang.




Internment camps with up to a million prisoners. Empty neighborhoods. Students, musicians, athletes, and peaceful academics jailed. A massive high-tech surveillance state that monitors and judges every movement. The future of more than 10 million Uighurs, the members of China’s Turkic-speaking Muslim minority, is looking increasingly grim.

As the Chinese authorities continue a brutal crackdown in Xinjiang, the northwest region of China that’s home to the Uighur, Islam has been one of the main targets. Major mosques in the major cities of Kashgar and Urumqi now stand empty. Prisoners in the camps are told to renounce God and embrace the Chinese Communist Party. Prayers, religious education, and the Ramadan fast are increasingly restricted or banned. Even in the rest of China, Arabic text is being stripped from public buildings, and Islamophobia is being tacitly encouraged by party authorities.

But amid this state-backed campaign against their religious brethren, Muslim leaders and communities around the world stand silent. While the fate of the Palestinians stirs rage and resistance throughout the Islamic world, and millions stood up to condemn the persecution of the Rohingya, there’s been hardly a sound on behalf of the Uighur. No Muslim nation’s head of state has made a public statement in support of the Uighurs this decade. Politicians and many religious leaders who claim to speak for the faith are silent in the face of China’s political and economic power.

“One of our primary barriers has been a definite lack of attention from Muslim-majority states,” said Peter Irwin, a project manager at the World Uyghur Congress. This isn’t out of ignorance. “It is very well documented,” said Omer Kanat, the director of the Uyghur Human Rights Project. “The Muslim-majority countries governments know what’s happening in East Turkestan,” he said, using the Uighur term for the region.

Many Muslim governments have strengthened their relationship with China or even gone out of their way to support China’s persecution. Last summer, Egypt deported several ethnic Uighurs back to China, where they faced near-certain jail time and, potentially, death, to little protest. This followed similar moves by Malaysia and Pakistan in 2011.

This is in stark contrast to how these countries react to news of prejudice against Muslims by the West or, especially, Israel. Events in Gaza have sparked protests across the Islamic world, not only in the Middle East but also in more distant Bangladesh and Indonesia. If Egypt or Malaysia had deported Palestinians to Israeli prisons, the uproar would likely have been ferocious. But the brutal, and expressly anti-religious, persecution of Uighurs prompts no response, even as the campaign spreads to the Uighur diaspora worldwide.

Part of the answer is that money talks. China has become a key trade partner of every Muslim-majority nation. Many are members of the Chinese-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank or are participating in China’s Belt and Road Initiative. In South Asia, this means infrastructure investment. In Southeast Asia, China is a key market for commodities such as palm oil and coal. The Middle East benefits due to China’s position as the world’s top importer of oil and its rapidly increasing use of natural gas.

“Many states in the Middle East are becoming more economically dependent on China,” said Simone van Nieuwenhuizen, a Chinese-Middle East relations expert at the University of Technology Sydney. “China’s geoeconomic strategy has resulted in political influence.”

“I don’t think there is a direct fear of retribution or fear of pressure,” said Dawn Murphy, a China-Middle East relations expert at Princeton University. “I do think that the elite of these various countries are weighing their interests, and they are making a decision that continuing to have positive relations with China is more important than bringing up these human rights issues.”

Xinjiang’s immediate neighbors, such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Kazakhstan, face a particularly difficult situation. The ongoing persecution has caught up some of their own citizens, or their families. But with both close economic and geopolitical ties to China, these countries are highly reluctant to speak up. Pakistan sees China as a vital balancer against India, and their relationship, sometimes referred to as the “iron brotherhood,” goes back decades.

But there are subtler reasons the Uighur are ignored. They are on the edge of the Muslim world, in contrast to the Palestinian cause, which is directly connected to the fate of one of Islam’s holiest cities, Jerusalem. China has little place in the cultural imagination of Islam, in contrast with Muslims’ fraught relationship with the idea of a Jewish state. Even as China’s presence in the Middle East grows, it lacks the looming presence of the United States or Israel.

China’s success at cutting off access to Xinjiang is another reason. A regular dose of videos depicting Palestinian suffering hits YouTube every day. Interviews with tearful Rohingya stream on Al Jazeera and other global media outlets. Palestinian representatives and advocates speak and write in the media. But few images are emerging from Xinjiang due to restrictions on press access and the massive state censorship apparatus. That means the world sees little more than blurry satellite footage of the internment camps. Even Uighurs who have escaped are often only able to talk anonymously, not least because Chinese intelligence regularly threatens persecution of their families back home if they speak up.

It’s also much harder to stir up feelings about a new cause rather than an old, established one. For leaders who care more about their own popularity than human rights, it’s an easy call. “People tend to pay more attention to this kind of issue,” said Ahmad Farouk Musa, the director of the Malaysian nongovernmental organization Islamic Renaissance Front. “You gain popularity if you show you are anti-Zionism and if you are fighting for the Palestinians, as compared to the Rohingya or Uighurs.”

There are two places, however, where there may be hope for leadership. One is Southeast Asia, where Indonesia and Malaysia are two of the Islamic world’s few democracies. Both have relatively a free press, have an active civil society, and, importantly, are geographically close to China, giving the giant country more of a presence in the local public consciousness. Anti-Chinese feeling is strong in both nations, especially Indonesia.

Malaysia bears watching due to its recent historic election. China was a key campaign issue, due to its connection to the massive, multibillion-dollar 1MDB scandal. The new government is taking a strong position on China, with the new finance minister, Lim Guan Eng, pledging to review all of China’s trade deals with the country and suspending several existing projects.

“The Chinese had been very influential in giving loans to [former Prime Minister] Najib [Razak] to stay in power, so they felt compelled to accept whatever the Chinese wanted them to do,” Musa said. “I hope that the new government has shifted their policy and will become more sensitive towards this issue and about human rights.”

The first test of this will happen soon, as the Chinese government is demanding the deportation of 11 Uighur asylum-seekers from Malaysia. The new government, led by Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, may not be as willing to bend to China’s demands as the previous one.

The other place to watch is Turkey, which has a strong cultural connection to the Turkic-speaking Uighurs and is home to the largest Uighur exile community. In 2009, when riots broke out in Urumqi, only Turkey’s leader, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, spoke out. Turkey has also seen the only widespread protests against China’s treatment of Uighurs, most recently in 2015.

“Turkey is the only major country whose leadership as well as the public is widely aware of the Uighur persecution in East Turkestan,” said Alip Erkin , a Uighur activist currently living aboard.

But Turkey’s growing authoritarianism has caused it to look toward China as a possible ally against the West. Since Turkey’s Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu visited China last year and said his country would eliminate “anti-China media reports,” there has been less attention given to the Uighur cause, including on the streets. Still, many Uighurs hold out hope.

“Many Uighurs think Turkey can be the ultimate defender of the Uighur cause when the time is right,” Erkin said.

While the signs of hope are there for the Uighur cause, they are small and localized. China’s profile is growing, and more Muslim-majority nations are becoming dependent on its economic power—earlier this month, $23 billion in loans was promised to Arab states. The chances of a unified Muslim response to the Uighur human rights crisis are getting slimmer and slimmer.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/islamic-leaders-have-nothing-to-say-about-chinas-internment-camps-for-muslims/
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Azzamisc
08-01-2018, 10:30 AM
Allah grant all the muslims in China sabar
Ameen
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سيف الله
08-09-2018, 09:01 PM
Salaam

Another update,



long detailed article.

‘We’re a people destroyed’: why Uighur Muslims across China are living in fear


Gene A Bunin has spent the past 18 months talking to Uighur restaurant workers all over China. These conversations reveal how this Muslim minority feel the daily threat of arrest, detention and ‘re-education’

It was about a year ago that I first walked into Karim’s restaurant, intending to write about it as part of the food guide I was putting together about ethnic Uighur restaurants in the traditionally Chinese “inner China” of the country’s east and south. Having already spent a decade researching the Uighurs – a largely Muslim ethnic minority group based mainly in the westernmost Xinjiang region, outside inner China – this food-guide project was intended as a fun spin-off from my usual linguistic studies. Or even a “treasure hunt”, you might say, given the rarity of Uighur restaurants in such major inner-China cities as Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou, where the Uighurs are migrants and where the Han Chinese, the dominant ethnic group that account for more than 90% of China’s population, are the great majority.

While my travels for the guide would involve visiting almost 200 restaurants in more than 50 cities, Karim’s was particularly memorable. I found the usual pilau rice and hand-pulled laghmen noodles – central-Asian dishes that are staples of Uighur cuisine, and which Karim’s kitchen did very well. More important, though, were the sense of warmth and feeling of community, which made sitting there for an additional hour or two a real pleasure. Karim was a great host, and his diners would often chat with each other across the tables, touching upon serious issues while maintaining a certain levity and humour.

During one of my visits, the conversation turned to the discrimination that Uighurs faced in this large, Han-majority city. Several diners mentioned the difficulty of finding accommodation, as local hotels frequently rejected Uighur visitors by claiming there were no rooms available. Even a Uighur policeman had been denied a room, someone pointed out with a laugh. Karim, a worldly polyglot who could have easily passed for a Middle Easterner, mentioned how he would sometimes go to a hotel and speak to the front-desk staff in English. Mistaking him for a foreigner, they would tell him that there were rooms available, and then backtrack after asking him for his documents and seeing the word Uighur on his Chinese identification card.

As would soon become clear, however, such “mild” discrimination was to be the least of the Uighurs’ problems. While the regulars at Karim’s were having this discussion in the spring of 2017, their home region of Xinjiang – home to more than 10 million ethnic Uighurs – was already being subjected to what the Chinese state described as an “all-out offensive” against religious extremism and terrorism. The hard-line policies started shortly after the appointment of Chen Quanguo as Xinjiang’s party secretary, a strongman who had previously pursued similar policies in Tibet. While the government has justified its use of force as a response to a number of violent incidents, critics have claimed the measures are aimed at destroying Uighur identity.

Things would worsen considerably over the coming year, as Xinjiang was turned into an Orwellian police state and hundreds of thousands of Uighurs were gradually locked away in concentration camps for what the state calls “transformation through education”. Others have been thrown in prison or “disappeared”. Witness reports of life inside the camps and detention centres have told not only of unhealthy living conditions, but also of regular violence, torture and brainwashing. Writing in the New York Times in February, James A Millward, a scholar who has researched Xinjiang for three decades, argued that the “state repression in Xinjiang has never been as severe as it has become since early 2017”.

For many, last spring would mark the start of a period of great loss – the loss of rights, livelihoods and identities. Some would also lose their lives. Karim was particularly vulnerable, as Uighurs like him, who have lived abroad in Muslim-majority countries, have been especially targeted in the government crackdown. When I returned to the neighbourhood earlier this year, I was told that Karim had been handcuffed, taken away and jailed – and that he had “died after prolonged heavy labour”.

At least, that’s the politically proper way of putting it. You could also say that he was murdered by the state.

The state, for its part, has shut down all criticism of its actions in Xinjiang. Earlier this year, the foreign ministry spokeswoman, Hua Chunying, declared that concerns about the mistreatment of the Uighurs were “unjustified” and criticism amounted to “interference in China’s internal affairs”. In a memorable statement last summer, Xinjiang’s deputy foreign publicity director, Ailiti Saliyev, went so far as to suggest that “the happiest Muslims in the world live in Xinjiang”.

While it is probably best to let the Uighurs speak for themselves regarding their happiness, hearing their voices has been difficult, given the state’s determined efforts to turn Xinjiang into an information vacuum. Journalists, in particular, have been under very heavy scrutiny, with anyone they have managed to interview often too scared to speak honestly. The risks and retributions have been significantly higher for Uighur journalists abroad. In February, four Uighurs working for Radio Free Asia in the US learned that some of their close relatives in Xinjiang had been detained. It was, wrote the Washington Post, “an apparent attempt to intimidate or punish them for their coverage”.

Many foreign tourists I have spoken to in Xinjiang this year have reported being interrogated on the train into the region, as well as at checkpoints between cities. Two academic scholars told me stories of being denied entry or transportation to towns that have traditionally been accessible, without being provided with any real reason. While residing in Xinjiang’s westernmost city of Kashgar, an oasis town not far from the borders with Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Pakistan, I was effectively chased out: the hostel where I was staying was suddenly closed for “fire safety” reasons, and I found myself blacklisted at every other place that could have offered me accommodation. After leaving Xinjiang, I spent a month in Yiwu, an international trade hub about 5,000km to the east, not far from Shanghai, but even here, my daily contact with the city’s Uighur population attracted special attention. On two occasions, the local police warned me to “obey Chinese law” and to “not go hanging out with any bad Xinjiang people” – a euphemism for Uighurs.

But nevertheless, between my linguistic research and the food guide, I spent the best part of 18 months precisely among those “bad Xinjiang people”, both in Xinjiang itself, and in inner China. During that time, I spoke to hundreds of Uighurs, the majority of them male restaurant workers, businessmen, small-time traders and street-food cooks, as well as their families. In the vast majority of cases, we did not talk about politics. Even so, almost everyone I talked to was affected by the repression in Xinjiang, and sometimes the only alternative to talking about it would have been not talking at all – and so we talked.

In synthesising what I have observed, I realise that I ultimately cannot speak for the Uighurs – that task should of course be left to the Uighurs themselves, in an environment that is free of fear. Still, I hope the image I present will allow the reader a glimpse of how the Uighurs in Xinjiang and the rest of China are reacting to the present situation.

On a certain alley in Xinjiang stands a diner I particularly like, popular for its pigeon shish kebab and milk tea. I would always try to stop there when I was in the neighbourhood. The last time I did, I came with apologies, having not visited for a long time. But, far from being angry, the owner was just surprised that I was still in the region. “I was sure that you had gone back to your country,” he told me.

Almost a year had passed since our previous meeting, and a lot had changed. Most of his staff, about 10 of them in all, had been forced to return to their hometowns in southern Xinjiang, either for “re-education” or for “hometown arrest”. Gone were the shish kebabs and the tea, together with most of the clientele. Uighur kitchen staff were extremely scarce now, the owner said, and it was almost impossible to find substitutes.

I asked him about his nephew – another old friend – but was told that he was in jail for having previously spent a year in a Middle Eastern country. “Our mood is shattered,” the owner admitted to me.

This sense of gloom was also evident in the frank negativity I started to notice in many Uighur business-owners. While Uighurs generally consider it bad etiquette to complain when asked how they are doing, more and more often in recent times, I heard people telling me that things were “not that great” because “business was horrible”. When I ran into a tour guide acquaintance last year, I remarked to him that he had got really thin since I had last seen him. “We’ve all got really thin this past year,” he told me.

Equally pervasive was the constant sense of fear. On one evening in Kashgar, I watched five or six police snatch a drunken man off the streets just for waving his arms, without asking any questions, and even though he was with his wife and son. In inner China, young restaurant workers could seem relaxed one day and then visibly worried the next: it would emerge that the police had given them orders to go back to their hometowns in Xinjiang immediately – a three- or four-day train journey for most.

There was also the fear of always being watched. Once I sat down with a manager of a restaurant in eastern China and, unable to avoid the topic, spoke to him about how oppressive things had become in Xinjiang, telling him about a friend who had been sentenced to a decade in jail for owning the “wrong” books. No sooner did I say the word “jail” than the manager’s head began to twitch in the direction of the table behind ours. “There’s a policeman here!” he whispered, before standing up and walking away.

Concerned for their safety, many Uighurs have deleted all foreign contacts on China’s (highly monitored) WeChat app. At one point last year, I made an effort to see a friend in Xinjiang who had deleted me, by first getting in touch through a proxy, and then meeting in person. In retrospect, I almost wish I hadn’t. Our lunch together was silent and awkward. There was so much to say, but everything felt taboo, and there were whole minutes when we just sat there in silence. It didn’t seem like anyone was monitoring us, but my friend looked worried all the same. When I passed him samples of a book I was working on, he cast them a glance but didn’t flip through the pages. When I asked him if a mutual acquaintance of ours was still around, he told me that he “didn’t know” that person anymore, before adding: “Right now, I don’t even know you.”

When talking about the situation in Xinjiang, it is standard to use euphemisms. The most common by far is the word yoq, which means “gone” or “not around”. “Do you get what I’m saying?” a friend asked me once, as I tried to figure out what had happened to a person he was telling me about. “That guy is yoq. He’s got another home now.”

The phrase adem yoq (“everybody’s gone”) is the one I’ve heard the most this past year. It has been used to describe the absence of staff, clients and people in general. When referring to people who have been forced to return to their hometowns (for hometown arrest, camp or worse), it is typical to say that they “went back home”.

The concentration camps are not referred to as “concentration camps”, naturally. Instead, the people there are said to be occupied with “studying” (oqushta/öginishte) or “education” (terbiyileshte), or sometimes may be said to be “at school” (mektepte).

Likewise, people do not use words like “oppression” when talking about the overall situation in Xinjiang. Rather, they tend to say “weziyet yaxshi emes” (“the situation isn’t good”), or describe Xinjiang as being very “ching” (“strict”, “tight”).

Despite the euphemisms, there is no getting away from what is actually happening. It hit me just how unavoidable the topic was when, while chatting with an old friend in inner China, I made a genuine effort to avoid politics and talk about more normal or even mundane things. It proved impossible. When I asked him what he had done earlier that day, he brought up a political meeting that all the Uighurs in that city had to attend. When I asked him if he still tried to read books in his spare time, he told me that the police had cracked down on that, too, and that reading any book would invite unwanted attention. When I asked him about his aspirations for the future, he told me that, ideally, he would love to become a chef of Turkish food and open up his own restaurant, but, unfortunately, that act alone would get him jailed in Xinjiang, as the state continues to discourage and destroy all contact between the Uighurs and other Turkic and Muslim peoples abroad.

On a few occasions, I encountered people who seemed to have reached a degree of desperation, and just wanted to let everything out. The first such time was in Kashgar, in autumn last year, when a uniformed public-security worker – the mostly Uighur, lowest-rank uniformed authority in southern Xinjiang – invited me to sit across from him at a table in a teahouse. He was off duty that afternoon, having just returned from a medical checkup.

The conversation that followed was tense. He asked me what I knew of Uighur history, and then asked me what I thought of the Uighurs as a people. The latter question is one I have been asked several times during my years in Xinjiang, and has often struck me as a way of searching for some sort of outside verification of Uighurs’ identity. Unsure of how to reply, I tried to be noncommittal: “The Uighurs are a people like any other, with their good and bad.”

“You’re hiding what you really think,” he confronted me. “Just look all around you. You’ve seen it yourself [here in Kashgar]. We’re a people destroyed.”

Given my general distrust of uniformed people in China, I wasn’t ready to share any political views at the time, but have since come to see our conversation as a true moment of desperation. His words, I believe, were genuine. His post was close to Kashgar’s night market, but as of a few days after our meeting, I never saw him there, or anywhere else, ever again.

The other conversation that will always stay with me took place in inner China, while visiting a restaurant I had been to a few times before. With the exception of a single waiter, all of the old staff were gone. As soon as that waiter saw me, he dropped everything to sit down and chat. My telling him that I had been kicked out of Kashgar seemed to trigger him, and he would go on to say many things about the situation there, virtually all of them taboo.

“Millions of Uighurs” were being held in camps, he told me, where they were being fed 15-year-old leftover rice and subjected to beatings. (Precise numbers are hard to verify, but witness testimonies have confirmed both poor nutrition and violence in the camps.) He said that the Uighurs in this inner-China city now had to attend political meetings, and that they might soon have to take a test on political subjects such as the 19th party congress. Those who didn’t pass would be sent back to Xinjiang.

“When the police talk to us,” he said, “they are suspicious about everything: ‘Do you smoke? Do you drink?’ If you don’t, they’ll ask you why not. They’ll ask you if you pray. They’ll ask you if you want to go abroad, or if you’ve previously applied for or had a passport. If you look at the policeman, he’ll ask you what you’re looking at him for; if you look down at the floor, he’ll ask you why you’re looking down at the floor. Whenever we take a train, there’s always a separate room that we have to go through before we’re allowed to leave the station, where they check our documents and question us.”

I worried about him talking to me so openly, but it seemed he understood the risks, or perhaps had already concluded that he was going to be taken soon anyway. When another crackdown came a week later, sweeping a good chunk of the city’s Uighur youth with it, he would be among those forced to leave. “Back to his hometown.”

Occasionally, I did encounter people who had more positive things to say about the situation. At the risk of passing off my subjectivity as fact, the vast majority of these comments struck me as marked by a mix of cognitive dissonance, Stockholm syndrome and self-delusion – often evidenced by self-contradiction and an apparent lack of conviction behind the words.

At a time when I was still absorbing Xinjiang’s new reality, one of the hardest “rude awakening” moments came while catching up with a Uighur friend who worked in Xinjiang’s tourism industry. After chatting for a bit, I remarked on the city’s increasingly intense security procedures, in a manner that suggested that I found it all over the top. He, too, had his complaints about the new system, saying how he would be forced to stop and have his ID checked seven times while travelling just 2-3km on his electric scooter. Still, he was quick to add: “But the people all feel really safe now. Before, I used to worry about letting my daughter go to school alone, but now I don’t have to worry.”

Those words – which almost sounded prepared – stunned me, given that we were just speaking one-on-one. He then went on to say that this was all to protect the people from terrorism, and that as soon as Russia and the US hurried up and defeated Isis, all of this would be over. However, when I said that I didn’t think that terrorism could be defeated with force like this, he was quick to agree with that as well.

Another friend in another city complained to me about the arbitrary inspections that the local police carried out with regard to the Uighurs. I still remember how angry he got as he talked – saying that the individual policemen acted like they were the law – but nevertheless added that the upper layers of the government were good.

A curious phenomenon took place online at the time of the 19th party congress last October, when Uighur friends who hardly spoke any Mandarin suddenly started posting long messages in fluent Mandarin praising Xi Jinping and the congress. A few months later, I heard about a WeChat app that allowed users to “fasheng liangjian” (“to clearly demonstrate one’s stance” or, literally, “to speak forth and flash one’s sword”), by plugging their name into a prepared Mandarin- or Uighur-language statement. The statement pledged their loyalty to the Communist party and its leaders, and expressed, among other things, their determination in upholding “ethnic harmony” and standing opposed to terrorism. The generated image file could then be readily posted on their social network of choice as a show of loyalty.

In many of the inner-China restaurants I visited, this loyalty was much more visual than verbal. As a rule, Uighur restaurants would be the only ones on their street covered with Chinese flags and, occasionally, red banners proclaiming a determined struggle against terrorism. Sometimes, the interiors too would have little flags, as well as photos of Xi or plates bearing his image, or “ethnic harmony” slogans such as those calling for all of China’s ethnic groups to be “as tight as seeds in a pomegranate”. Some restaurants even had Uighur-language books about Xi and the party at the front counter. I never asked if such demonstrations were voluntary or mandated by the law, but suspect that, like China’s censorship in general, they were a mix of the two – some being anticipatory, some being forced.

Obedience and appeasement appear to have saved some people from the camps and prisons. Other factors – money, connections, Han-Chinese spouses and a formal Chinese education – although never an ironclad guarantee, appear to help also. Beyond that, bribing police or officials to avoid having one’s passport confiscated or being sent back to one’s hometown is an option that several people I spoke to had taken – a crack in a system that often feels hopelessly inescapable.

For the majority, however, the detentions and the fear of detention have become an unavoidable fact of daily life. Most, I would say, cope by simply enduring and “plodding along”. Despite the missing relatives, the financial losses and the fear that one day soon it could be their turn to go, many of my friends and acquaintances have done their best to focus on how they earn their livelihood, and to continue doing just that. For many, what seems most important now is their children’s future. Those without children are focusing on simpler and more concrete goals, such as graduating from university, finding a job or buying an apartment.

One friend manages a small shop in inner China where local police have recently confiscated entire shelves of import products for “not having Chinese labels”. He was able to stop them from confiscating more, he says, by telling them that he wasn’t feeling well and had to close the shop. With half the shelves empty and business having seen a sharp decline, he believes that it won’t be long now before the store is closed.

But, even as he describes how the state has started to target young Uighur men indiscriminately, he says he is not afraid. “I’ve already experienced a lot in life. So if they come and arrest me – fine. Whatever happens, happens.”

When talking of the situation in general, he takes a broader, grander view. “This is a trial for the Muslim world right now,” he says. “If you look at what’s happening in Syria, or in other places, the Muslim world as a whole is undergoing a test. But Allah knows everything that’s happening. We just have to get through this.” With praying all but forbidden for the Uighurs, he has found ways that the authorities won’t notice, such as praying covertly while sitting in a chair, or praying under one of the trees that line the sidewalk.

For others, hope exists simply by necessity, and many Uighurs have told me that “things will get better soon” without offering any reason for believing this. Some seem to think that a friend or relative will be released in the near future “because they’ve been held for so many months already”. Others seem to think that the situation will revert to normal “once terrorism is defeated”. In some of the conversations I have had in inner China’s Uighur restaurants – which, again, have lost huge portions of their staff – I have been told that the staff would “come back soon after finishing their education”.

But time has been cruel to these optimistic voices. As the months have turned into a year, and more, the people interned are still interned, the restaurants are losing ever more staff and clients, and the situation only continues to worsen.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/07/why-uighur-muslims-across-china-are-living-in-fear
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xboxisdead
08-10-2018, 06:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AllahIsAl-Malik
Where did I say anything about monarchies or Arabic names?



Being white doesn't entitle you to casually make genocidal threats. I believe that white people are human so I believe they're capable of abstaining from such grotesque behavior.



Wow that's depressing. I honestly feel almost violent watching that. It seriously disturbs me to see that.



Yes, Communism is kufr.
I have a question to ask. How come Muslim countries are not doing anything about it?
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سيف الله
08-10-2018, 04:09 PM
Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
I have a question to ask. How come Muslim countries are not doing anything about it?
post #40 gives you good information why, too many other issues to deal with at the moment. For instance Pakistani leadership is busily prostituting itself to obtain Chinese investment so they are not going to protest much.

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Another update

U.N. says it has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps

A U.N. human rights panel said on Friday that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uighurs in China are held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”.

Gay McDougall, a member of the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, cited estimates that another 2 million Uighurs and Muslim minorities are forced into so-called “political camps for indoctrination”.

She was addressing the start of a two-day regular examination of the record of China, including Hong Kong and Macao.

A Chinese delegation of some 50 officials made no immediate comment on her remarks at the Geneva session that continues on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/u-n-says-it-has-credible-reports-that-china-holds-million-uighurs-in-secret-camps-idUSKBN1KV1SU?il=0
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سيف الله
08-13-2018, 07:58 PM
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Another update

China's state media defends Xinjiang Muslim crackdown

More than one million Uighurs are estimated to be in detention in 'counter-extremism centres' in China's far west.


An official Communist Party newspaper said China's campaign of pressure against its Uighur Muslim minority has prevented the Xinjiang region from becoming "China's Syria" or "China's Libya".

The Global Times editorial on Monday came after a United Nations anti-discrimination committee raised concerns on Friday over China's treatment of Uighurs, citing reports of mass detentions that it said "resembles a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy".

More than one million Uighur Muslims are estimated to be in detention in "counter-extremism centres" in China's far western region, said Gay McDougall vice chairperson of a UN anti-discrimination committee.

Following attacks by separatists, members of the Uighur and Kazakh Muslim minorities in Xinjiang have been arbitrarily detained in indoctrination camps where they are forced to denounce Islam and profess loyalty to the party.

Global Times said the intense regulations in the region were merely "a phase that Xinjiang has to go through in rebuilding peace and prosperity".

The editorial did not directly mention the existence of the internment camps.

'Salvaged from turmoil'

Denouncing what it called "destructive Western public opinions", the paper said, "peace and stability must come above all else".

"Through the strong leadership of the Communist Party of China, the national strength of the country and the contribution of local officials, Xinjiang has been salvaged from the verge of massive turmoil," the newspaper said. "It has avoided the fate of becoming 'China's Syria' or 'China's Libya'."

Xinjiang has been enveloped in a suffocating blanket of security for years, especially since a deadly anti-government riot broke out in the regional capital of Urumqi in 2009. Over recent months, monitoring groups and eyewitnesses say Uighurs have been summoned from abroad and across China and sent into detention and indoctrination centres.

The roughly 10 million Uighurs make up a tiny proportion of China's almost 1.4 billion people and there has never been an uprising that could challenge the central government's overwhelming might.

Re-education camps

When the UN's Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination started reviewing China's report in Geneva on Friday, Chinese delegation leader Yu Jianhua highlighted economic progress and rising living standards among other things.

McDougall also said there were estimates another two million have been forced into so-called re-education camps for political and cultural indoctrination.

She did not specify a source for that information in her remarks at the hearing.

The Geneva-based committee continued its hearing on Monday and China vehemently denied allegations that one million people were being held in internment camps while insisting all ethnic groups are treated equally.

McDougall said China "didn't quite deny" that re-education programmes were taking place.

"You said that was false, the 1 million. Well, how many were there? Please tell me," she said. "And what were the laws on which they were detained, the specific provisions?"

There was no direct response to that in Monday's session.

A Chinese official told the committee tough security measures in Xinjiang were necessary to combat "extremism and terrorism", but they did not target any specific ethnic group or restrict religious freedoms.

"Xinjiang citizens, including the Uighurs, enjoy equal freedom and rights," Ma Youqing, director of China's United Front Work Department, told the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.

Another Chinese delegate, Hu Lianhe, said his country just "assisted those who are deceived by religious extremism through resettlement and education".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/08/china-state-media-defends-xinjiang-muslim-crackdown-180813055304359.html
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سيف الله
08-14-2018, 11:43 PM
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Another update



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سيف الله
08-17-2018, 11:50 PM
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Another update



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سيف الله
08-20-2018, 10:07 PM
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Another update



Blurb

This week on China Watch: the Chinese Communist Party’s Plan to de-Uyghurize and Sinicize Xinjiang In this special edition of China Watch we look at perhaps the most extreme exercise in ethnic assimilation ever attempted: the People’s Republic of China’s campaign to Sinicize its far west holding, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, through bleeding edge security and demographic measures. The PRC’s Xinjiang program has attracted the critical interest of the Western world as an egregious violation of human rights, focusing on an apparently extensive campaign of extralegal detention and indoctrination in re-education camps of hundreds of thousands and perhaps as many as a million Uyghurs.

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سيف الله
08-31-2018, 08:25 PM
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Another update.

Why the Muslim world isn't saying anything about China’s repression and 'cultural cleansing' of its downtrodden Muslim minority

  • Muslim countries have been silent over China's crackdown on its Uighurs, a Muslim-majority ethnic minority in the country's west.
  • Experts and activists say it is because countries fear economic retribution from China.
  • Many also say it's because many Arab states also have poor human rights records, and don't want to draw attention to themselves.
  • Turkey has tried standing up to China in the past — and Beijing has not forgotten it.


China's crackdown on its Uighur citizens, a mostly-Muslim ethnic minority group, has faced heavy international scrutiny in recent months.

In August the United Nations said it was "deeply concerned" by reports that China had forced as many as 1 million Uighurs into internment camps in Xinjiang, western China. In April, the US State Department said it had heard of Uighurs who had "disappeared" or were unexpectedly detained.

Meanwhile, Muslim countries have been deafeningly silent.

Over the past year alone, activists have found evidence of Chinese authorities tracking Uighurs' cellphone activity and forcing them to cut off their beards and dresses. Others say China has demanded the Uighur diaspora hand over personal information — and threatened their families if they do not.

Chinese officials have denied the camps exist, though have acknowledged a program of "resettlement" for people it refers to as extremists. Business Insider has contacted the Chinese government for further comment.

It's not as if Muslim countries haven't spoken out about human rights in the past. As Myanmar's military ramped up its violence against Rohingya Muslims late last year, citizens in Jordan and Iran staged multiple protests in solidarity with the Rohingya.

Saudi Arabia's mission to the UN also condemned the situation online.

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, an international consortium which calls itself "the collective voice of the Muslim world," also pledged this May to set up a "proper investigation" into the Rohingya crisis.

So why hasn't anyone said anything about China's Uighur issue?

Money, money, money

Many Muslim-majority countries aren't speaking out because they don't want to jeopardize their economic relationships in China, experts say.

Several states in Central Asia and the Middle East are part of China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), a massive project launched in 2013 linking 78 countries across Asia, Africa, Europe, and Oceania through a network of railroads, shipping lanes, and other infrastructure projects.

Many of these deals entail China giving hefty loans to economies with a bad credit rating, which countries such as Pakistan are already finding difficult to repay. And it appears that these economic partnerships are stopping these countries from speaking out about Xinjiang.

Simone van Nieuwenhuizen, a Chinese politics researcher at University of Technology Sydney, told Business Insider: "Like most states, many Muslim-majority countries have increasingly close economic relations with China.

"There is a general consensus that speaking out about the situation in Xinjiang might jeopardize the development of economic ties, and it is therefore not in their interests to do so."

Alip Erkin, an activist in Australia who runs the Uyghur Bulletin network, specifically cited BRI as a hindrance. He told BI: "Enormous trade and investment opportunities, as well as debt burden from China, through the BRI not only result in the tight lips of Muslim states but also an active cooperation with China in Uighur crackdown."

Egypt, a BRI partner country, has even appeared to help China with its Uighur crackdown.

Last summer, Egypt detained dozens of Uighur students in the country without giving a reason, denied them access to lawyers and their families, Human Rights Watch reported.

Cairo also deported at least 12 Chinese Uighurs back to China around the same time, according to The New York Times.

Peter Irwin, the program manager at the World Uyghur Congress, told BI: "There is a certain expectation that Muslim-majority countries would naturally lend support to Uighurs and criticize China, but we just haven’t seen this, and I don’t expect we’ll see this given China’s economic ambitions with the Belt and Road Initiative, however successful the plan may or may not be."

China's Uighur treatment may not offend Arab states

It may be too simplistic to cite economic dependence on China as the only reason why Muslim countries aren't standing up to China over the Uighurs.

Many Middle Eastern states also have a poor human rights record, and prioritize social stability over individual rights, much like China does, van Nieuwenhuizen said.

China justifies its crackdown on Xinjiang as protecting the peace and preventing terrorism. Militant Uighurs have been accused of starting deadly ethnic riots in Xinjiang and terrorist attacks across the country from 2009 to 2014.

Many Arab countries "exhibit a similar understanding" of prioritizing social stability over human rights, van Nieuwenhuizen said.

She told BI: "Many Middle Eastern states have a poor human rights record themselves — including when it comes to the treatment of religious minorities. Many exhibit a similar understanding of human rights to China's — that is, that social stability trumps individual rights.

"This is how the Chinese government has framed the presence of re-education camps and other repressive measures."

Erkin also told BI that although many Gulf states can afford to make a political stand against China, they "are mostly ultra-authoritarian states that advocate non-interference in other states' internal affairs to avoid the same interference in theirs."

He added: "The silence of the Muslim majority countries over the horrific treatment of Uighurs, especially the recent cultural cleansing drive in East Turkestan, is both frustrating and unsurprising."

East Turkestan is the Uighur term for Xinjiang.

He continued: "It is frustrating because the principle of Muslim brotherhood has become a selective foreign policy tool that has more to do with the international politics of Muslim countries and less to do with its true message of solidarity."

Business Insider has contacted the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation for comment, but received no reply.

What happened when Turkey tried to stand up to China

Turkey, which is majority-Muslim, has spoken out against China's treatment of its Uighurs in the past — and China has not forgotten.

In 2009 then-prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan (who is now president) described ethnic violence in Xinjiang as "a kind of genocide" and said: "We have difficulty understanding how China's leadership can remain a spectator in the face of these events."

Shortly after the comments were made, the state-run China Daily newspaper ran an editorial warning Erdogan to take back his remarks, with the headline: "Don't twist facts."

In 2015 Turkey also offered shelter to Uighur refugees fleeing China, which China Daily again warned "may poison ties and derail cooperation."

Although Erdogan has not spoken out recently, Chinese state media has continued to threaten Turkey.

As the country witnessed a dramatic economic crisis this month, the state-run tabloid Global Times published an unsparing editorial offering Chinese economic support, but warned it against making any more "irresponsible remarks on the ethnic policy in Xinjiang."

What Uighurs are saying

It's hard to gauge what Uighurs in Xinjiang think about the issue, because the Chinese government severely restricts information flow out of the region, Maya Wang, a senior researcher at Human Rights Watch, told BI.

But many other activists with ties to the region say that, although many Uighurs and diaspora feel helpless, they are still holding out hope for change.

Erkin, the Uyghur Bulletin publisher, told BI: "There is no doubt that Uighurs in East Turkestan as well as in the diaspora feel extremely helpless in the face of the current cultural cleansing campaign in their homeland, and hope that the UN and other powerful countries of the world call China out and defend their basic religious and cultural rights as humans.

"But still, given the past political solidarity and migration support from Turkey, many Uighurs would like to keep their hopes alive about it being the defender of Uighurs when its international relations are stabilized and economic woes are tackled."

Irwin of World Uyghur Congress added: "The Uighur community is obviously disheartened by the lack of support, but it is certainly not something that has been given up on.

"The United States, European Union and others need to remain vocal on human rights and bring on larger contingents of like-minded countries to collectively stand against these policies," he added.

"Although China seemingly flouts international norms of behavior, the country's leadership still remains particularly concerned about how they are perceived internationally."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-muslim-countries-arent-criticizing-china-uighur-repression-2018-8
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سيف الله
09-11-2018, 11:13 PM
Salaam

Another update

China to UN rights chief Bachelet: 'Respect our sovereignty'

Beijing pushes back against new high commissioner for human rights who decried crackdown of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang.

China called on the UN's human rights chief to respect its sovereignty after she highlighted "deeply disturbing" allegations of mass detentions of Muslim Uighur minorities in Xinjiang.

On Monday, High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet denounced China's ongoing crackdown on the Uighur community in her first remarks as head of the UN rights watchdog in Geneva.

The two-time president of Chile also urged Beijing to allow monitors into the restive far western region to investigate the situation there.

Bachelet should "scrupulously abide by the mission and principles of the UN charter", China's foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said on Tuesday.

Geng added she should "respect China's sovereignty, fairly and objectively", and "not listen to one-sided information" while carrying out her duties.

Bachelet's appeal for access came as Human Rights Watch reported the Turkic-speaking Uighurs face arbitrary detentions, restrictions on religious practice, and "forced political indoctrination" in a mass security clampdown.

A United Nations rights panel said last month it had received credible reports that up to one million Uighurs may be held in extra-legal detention in the northwestern province of China, and called for them to be freed.

China rejected the latest UN report.

China said tough security measures in Xinjiang were necessary to combat "extremism and terrorism" but added it did not target specific ethnic groups or restrict religious freedoms.

Xinjiang is home to at least eight million Muslim Uighurs.

In a region that shares borders with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, minority Muslim groups face regulations banning beards and veils, as well as the unauthorised distribution of the Quran.

During the past two years, authorities have dramatically stepped up security and surveillance in Xinjiang, likened by critics to near martial law conditions with police checkpoints, re-education camps, and mass DNA collection.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...091916726.html





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Update

Chinese official says China is educating, not mistreating, Muslims

China is not mistreating Muslims in Xinjiang province but is putting some people through training courses to avoid extremism spreading, unlike Europe, which had failed to deal with the problem, a Chinese official told reporters on Thursday. Reports of mass detentions of ethnic Uighurs and other ethnic Muslims in China’s far western region have sparked a growing international outcry, prompting the Trump administration to consider sanctions against officials and companies linked to allegations of human rights abuses.

“It is not mistreatment,” said Li Xiaojun, director for publicity at the Bureau of Human Rights Affairs of the State Council Information Office. “What China is doing is to establish professional training centers, educational centers.”

“If you do not say it’s the best way, maybe it’s the necessary way to deal with Islamic or religious extremism, because the West has failed in doing so, in dealing with religious Islamic extremism,” Li told reporters on the sidelines of the U.N. Human Rights Council session in Geneva.

“Look at Belgium, look at Paris, look at some other European countries. You have failed.”

China frequently comes under fire for its human rights policies. On Wednesday, it was accused by U.N. chief Antonio Guterres of reprisals against activists, including the alleged torture of a human rights lawyer. Critics say its surveillance in Xinjiang approaches martial law conditions.

“As to surveillance, China is learning from the UK,” Li said. “Your per capita CCTV is much higher than that for China’s Xinjiang Autonomous Region.”

Europe’s top rights court ruled on Thursday that Britain had violated privacy and free speech with a “Big Brother” electronic surveillance program.

Li said it was normal practice for Xinjiang police to use closed-circuit television for the public good, especially after ethnic riots in 2009, which were blamed on “foreign forces”.

He said the Xinjiang education centers were not “detention centers or re-education camps”, which he dismissed as “the trademark product of eastern European countries”, an apparent reference to Soviet Gulag detention camps during the Cold War.

“To put it straight, it’s like vocational training ... like your children go to vocational-training schools to get better skills and better jobs after graduation.

“But these kind of training and education centers only accept people for a short period of time – some people five days, some seven days, 10 days, one month, two months.”

He rejected the idea of having a U.N. expert visit the region, saying there was no need.

He said the poorest people in remote areas were most susceptible to radicalization, and that mosques were being used to that effect.

Islam was a good thing in China’s view, but Islamic extremists were the common foes of mankind, he said.

“They are very bad elements. You can see that in Afghanistan, in Syria, in Pakistan, in Iraq, and many other countries.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1LT1LV
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سيف الله
10-04-2018, 12:12 AM
Salaam

Another update.



China mounts propaganda campaign to make its Muslim detention camps seem ok, or good even

  • China is mounting an increasingly sophisticated counterattack to criticism of its policies in the restive, heavily Muslim region of Xinjiang, courting foreign media and running opinion pieces abroad as it seeks to spin a more positive message.
  • Beijing has faced an outcry from activists, scholars, foreign governments and U.N. rights experts over mass detentions and strict surveillance of the mostly Muslim Uighur minority in Xinjiang.
  • A Chinese official even said that Europe had failed to integrate Muslims, and that it's approach of detaining them en masse was better.

China is mounting an increasingly sophisticated counterattack to criticism of its policies in the restive, heavily Muslim region of Xinjiang, courting foreign media and running opinion pieces abroad as it seeks to spin a more positive message.

Beijing has faced an outcry from activists, scholars, foreign governments and U.N. rights experts over mass detentions and strict surveillance of the mostly Muslim Uighur minority and other Muslim groups who call Xinjiang home.

The United States is even looking at sanctions on senior Chinese officials and companies linked to allegations of human rights abuses there, which would further ratchet up tension amid their blistering trade war.

China says Xinjiang faces a serious threat from Islamist militants and separatists and has rejected all accusations of mistreatment in an area where hundreds have been killed in recent years in unrest between Uighurs and members of the ethnic Han Chinese majority.

Officials say they are putting some people through "vocational" style courses to rein in extremism, and have denounced hostile foreign forces for sowing misinformation.

In an opinion piece last week in the Jakarta Post entitled "Xinjiang, what a wonderful place," China's ambassador to Indonesia, Xiao Qian, wrote that religious rights were respected and protected there and attacks were "anti-religion in nature".

He added, "But regrettably, a few institutions and people from the West pursue double standards, deliberately distorting the facts, speculating on the so-called 're-education camps' and misrepresenting (the) Chinese government's efforts to prevent religious extremism and promote deradicalisation."

China's ambassador to Britain, Liu Xiaoming, has also written to the Financial Times and the Economist to defend its policy on Xinjiang.

Privately, however, China has not been so willing to discuss Xinjiang with foreign diplomats, say two diplomats who have attended meetings with Chinese officials.

"They just shut you down," said one of the diplomats.

Last month, the Chinese government invited a small group of foreign reporters to a briefing on the sidelines of a U.N. human rights meeting in Geneva, to put its side of the story in unusually strong and outspoken terms.

Li Xiaojun, publicity director at the Bureau of Human Rights Affairs of the State Council Information Office, which is the office of the Chinese cabinet's spokesman, denied mistreating Muslims in Xinjiang, and said China was trying to avoid the problems of radicalization Europe had experienced.

"Look at Belgium, look at Paris, look at some other European countries," Li said, referring to recent terror attacks in these locations blamed on Islamic extremists. "You have failed."

Government officials at the Geneva event were accompanied by five Chinese academic experts, who all remained silent when asked if they had any criticism of China's human rights record.

The five said they had not been to Xinjiang recently.

Asked how they knew about conditions there, Wang Xiaolin, a professor at Shanghai's Fudan University, said there were a lot of information channels, such as television broadcasts, social media, and information shared by business people, tourists and academics and friends who traveled there.

It is hard to quantify whether anyone is paying attention to what China has been saying on Xinjiang. Ambassador Xiao's piece for the Jakarta Post was roasted by followers of the paper's Facebook and Twitter pages as Chinese "propaganda".

Asked about China's efforts to put its side of the story and whether its messaging had been effective, the Foreign Ministry said the region was stable and prosperous, with no attacks for more than a year.

"On Xinjiang matters, the Chinese people have the most right to speak," it said in a short statement sent to Reuters.

Foreign human rights groups and exiles have been unimpressed with China's defense, and held their own panel in Geneva.

"What we are seeing now in East Turkestan is more than just repression: it is an intentional campaign of assimilation by the Chinese government targeting the Uighur identity," said Dolkun Isa, president of the exiled World Uyghur Congress, using the term the community employs to refer to Xinjiang.

China has sought to cast its security crackdown in resource-rich Xinjiang - strategically located on the borders of Afghanistan, central Asia, India and Pakistan - as part of the wider global "war on terror".

All countries have a responsibility to protect their security and that of their citizens, Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng told the Financial Times in an interview published last week, whose transcript was released by the foreign ministry.

"The Chinese government will not permit Xinjiang to become a second Syria, Libya or Iraq," said Le, an increasingly influential voice in China's diplomacy, whom diplomatic sources in Beijing say is tipped as a possible future foreign minister.

"If upheaval in Xinjiang spreads outside the borders, it will affect the stability of central Asia and the Middle East, and maybe spread to Europe."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/chinas-propaganda-campaign-to-rehab-muslim-detention-camps-image-2018-10

This needs to be confirmed but I can believe it.





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سيف الله
10-10-2018, 09:08 PM
Salaam

Another update.

Xinjang watch

As the repression of the Muslim population intensifies in Chinas western province of Xinjiang, the Uyghur Muslims have found an unlikely defender in. . . . .Donald Trump.

His state department has denounced China's 'awful abuses'; and with pockets deep enough to wage a trade war against China, in this instance Trumps silence cannot be bought. His alone, it seems.

Human Rights Watch see Xinjang as a key test for the United Nations, to which China is the third largest contributor. In April, Dolkum Isa, an Uyghur-rights activist and accredited NGO participant, was ejected from UN HQ in New York without explanation.

Last year, French president Emmanuel Macron said France would never tolerate human rights abuses for the sake of trade; but he did not raise a single rights issue on his visit to China this January. In June, Greece, which has substantial Chinese trade ties, vetoed EU condemnation of the country. And Theresa May won glowing praise from Chinese state media for resisting calls to comment on human rights questions when she visited in February.

Xinjiang is now a police state. Last year it spent $9bn on surveillance kit, including $8.7m on DNA - analysing equipment, building a database of ethnic Uyghurs. QR codes have been installed on their homes, giving instant access to their personal details. Since de - extremification regulations' were issued in March 2017, 21 percent of all arrests in China have been from Xinjiang, which represents just 1.5 percent of the population. One in 10 of Xinjiangs Uyghur Muslims, more than a million people, are now detained in re-education camps and denied legal representation, with some subjected to stress positioning, electrocution and waterboarding. In July the Financial Times reported on the building of multiple orphanages for children of the detained. Gene Bunin, an academic documenting Uyghur culture, says a security officer told him 'we are a people destroyed'.

The missing include

Uyghur ethnographer Rahile Dawut
Footballer Erfan Hezim
Religious scholar Muhammad Salih Hajim
Xinjiang University President Tashpolat Tiyip
Singer Ablajan Awut Ayup.

China claims camps are 'education and employment training centers' for criminals, but simply looking at foreign websites, receiving international calls, praying regularly or having the wrong sort of beard can all justify the label, says the Associated Press. Its impossible to practice Islam - China demands that religious observance is brought in line with 'traditional' Chinese culture. Amnesty calls it 'forced cultural assimilation'.

The crackdown goes beyond Xinjiang, with even Uyghur exiles coerced to sow discord in the west and spy for China. Refusal means detention for those left behind: Gulchehra Hoja, a Radio Free Asia journalist, has multiple family members detained, including her elderly parents and her brother. Meanwhile BuzzFeeds Megha Rajagopalan, who has been covering the repression in detail, has just had her visa revoked.

In Boris Johnson first big speech as foreign secretary at Chatham House in December 2016 he rambled on about everything from Afghanistan to elephants, painting a vision of post brexit Britain as a global force for good. our approach to repression in China, he insisted would 'go beyond the quest for exports', because people around the world were 'looking for a lead from Britain'. It seems they will look in vain; but who would have thought that President Trump, the least politic of polticians, would be the last decent man standing.

PE No 1480

Trumps has little interest personally in the Uyghurs, he's using them as leverage in his trade war against China.
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سيف الله
10-19-2018, 06:11 PM
Salaam

Another update.



Mahathir: Uighurs “have done nothing wrong”

Horror stories have trickled out of China’s Xinjiang province for years. Now research points to a flood of human suffering and disturbing human rights abuses. Yet with threats of China’s economic retribution, many countries have been reluctant to voice concern against Beijing. With this backdrop, it was a welcome note that this week, the world’s oldest statesman stood up and pushed back.

Uighurs, the indigenous Muslim population of Xinjiang, have long suffered the ire of Beijing. In Xinjiang, Orwellian population controls have been increasingly scaled up since 2014 when China launched its “people’s war on terror”. Today, the United Nations calls Xinjiang a “no-rights zone”.

Recent reports cited by UN human rights experts suggest that a million Uighurs are currently detained in re-education camps. Xinjiang party secretary and politburo member, Chen Quanguo, previously in charge of establishing the police state in Tibet, has ramped up the campaign of mass surveillance and re-education in Xinjiang since taking over the position in 2016. Stories of those released from the camps are deeply concerning. Unsurprisingly, these reports are changing the calculus for some countries’ diplomatic relations with China on the issue.

Mahathir Mohamad, the 93-year-old who won a remarkable victory in May to once again become Malaysia’s Prime Minister, is a fearless plain speaker. In August, he warned of a “new version of colonialism”, while standing next to Chinese Premier Li Keqiang. Upon taking office, one of his first actions was to cancel $23 billion in Chinese BRI projects. If there was a man to stand up to China, it was him.

Last week, Malaysian prosecutors dropped the charges against 11 Uighurs, who arrived in Malaysia after escaping a Thai jail. China had demanded their extradition. On the subject, Mahathir was brief:

They have done nothing wrong in this country, so they are released.

Beijing’s response was strong, saying it “resolutely” opposed the move. After their release, the men flew to Turkey, a country that has a kinship with the Uighur and a long history of supporting the ethnic group.

Mahathir’s decision is a significant shift in policy from his predecessor. During the term of the embattled Najib Razak, dozens of Uighurs were arrested in Malaysia and deported to China including those with pending refugee applications.

The 11 were lucky. In recent years, the list has continued to grow of countries willing to extradite Uighurs back to China – among them Egypt, Pakistan, and Malaysia. Even Turkey, a natural ally of Uighurs, has erred recently.

In 2009 Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called incidents in Xinjiang a “genocide”, angering Beijing. In 2012, he stopped in Xinjiang on his way to Beijing. Since then, courted by Beijing and particularly since the 2016 coup – when relations with the EU and the US soured – his advocacy for the Uighur has quietened. As a result, a strong, natural advocate for the Uighur has been largely silenced.

Turkey is not alone in struggling to navigate the sensitivities of the issue – trying to please Beijing, local constituents, the Uighur community, while also meeting human rights obligations.

In 2015, Thailand, one of several Southeast Asian countries with an extradition treaty with China, “repatriated” 109 Uighur refugees to China. As Federica Mogherini, the EU’s Foreign Affairs Chief, noted at the time:

This is a breach of the principle of non-refoulement, which is a core tenet of international humanitarian law.

The incident provoked violent reactions with protesters attacking the Thailand Consulate in Istanbul. A month later, a blast ripped through central Bangkok killing 20 and injuring over 100. Two Uighur suspects are accused of carrying out the bombings; they deny the charges.

Thailand is a key transit destination for extremist fighters transiting from Southeast Asia to theatres in the Middle East. And according to the International Crisis Group, ISIS has gifted its fighters trips to Thailand for R&R. Unsurprisingly, Bangkok worries of repercussions if it continues to deport Uighurs to China. It also worries about the repercussions if it doesn’t.

Malaysia is in a more enviable situation. Mahathir has nothing to lose and Anwar Ibrahim, the prime minister in-waiting, can hit the reset button on relations when he comes to office. Anwar, however, has already been outspoken on the issue and in September called for a dialogue with China. He went further, telling Bloomberg that Muslim governments were ”scared” to speak out against China.

This needs to change.

The US appears to be taking a lead. Last week, US Vice President Mike Pence said that the re-education camps are:

A deliberate attempt by Beijing to strangle Uighur culture and stamp out the Muslim faith.

Others, Marco Rubio and Chris Smith, are exploring the use of the Global Magnitsky Act to sanction those engaged in human rights abuses.

That’s a good start. A broader based coalition is needed that can lessen the burden and absorb the force of China’s anger over greater international attention to the situation in Xinjiang. That is an important first step in building a strategy to support the Uighur and to help shed greater light in what is today one of the darkest corners of the world.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/mahathir-uighur-nothing-wrong
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سيف الله
11-02-2018, 08:13 AM
Salaam

A video lecture

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سيف الله
11-07-2018, 02:31 AM
Salaam

Another update

Letter from Kashgar

Every Monday morning in this not exactly Chinese outpost of north west China, our glorious red flag is raised and we sing the national anthem. ‘Arise, you who refuse to be slaves! . . . Arise! Arise! Arise! / Millions of but one heart braving the enemy’s fire! / March on! March, march on!

But we aren’t great marchers, and the only people ‘braving the enemy’s fire’ are a rag tag band of women clutching infants, and those young and old who haven’t yet been detained. They are herded together by an equally terrified assortment of petty officials waving video cameras and microphones trying to save their own necks.

Temperatures are already rising even in the shade of the small square where the obligatory Monday morning reveille is held and todays rendering of the Chinese anthem takes three attempts before it passes muster. Satisfying the requirements of new laws on singing the national hymn is hard enough even when singing in your first language, but for the Turkic-speaking Muslim Uyghur people, more than 1 million of whom have been sent for re-education or simply disappeared, a rousing hymn to the motherland in a foreign tongue is a challenge.

Being absent or even five minutes late for the flag raising ceremony can mean at best a few years in arbitrary detention or at worst incarceration of 18 to 20 years if there is other ‘incriminating’ evidence against you. Typically, more than 1000 people cram into the square of this ancient Silk Road city, and literally sing for their freedom.

Following his success creating order and stability in Tibet, Chen Quanguo, our new governor, has swept through Xinjian province bringing in his wake surveillance, terror, paranoia and reform of many Uyghur people as he can through reeducation. His reign began in August 2016, and the relentless round up of doctors, road sweepers, high ranking officials, shopkeepers and academics shows no sign of abating.

The Monday morning ritual of his quasi-Orwellian regime is a forum for speeches, self-criticisms, dissemination of the latest laws and information on how to avoid going to jail. Sometimes it takes the form of gentle encouragement to submit to universal health checks, billed as a gift from Beijing to ensure longevity and a pain free life. As the world knowns, this is a euphemism for DNA compilation, blood and tissue typing, iris scans and facial recognition.

The reminders to destroy or surrender religious books and paraphernalia in Arabic script are fierce and unyielding. The latest banned authors are listed, with orders to hand in their works immediately. Terrible consequences await those who conceal religious literature, hold underground meetings – or worst of all – ‘indoctrinate’ children by keeping them out of school and educating them at home.

All religious talk is banned and large parties at home for religious holidays are forbidden, as is giving tithes to the mosque. Every home is given a notebook in which to record the comings and goings of friends and neighbours. Snitches are rewarded handsomely.

The meeting draws to an end, but not before a handful who have passed out from the heat have been taken to a nearby clinic to be resuscitated. Police at every corner of the square have been diverting mopeds and rubbish trucks for an hour. Groups of Han Chinese tourists wander by, taking selfies in front of the crowd but not understanding a word of the terrifying injunctions to knuckle down to Beijing that have been meted out behind them in Turkic. They pass by, smiling and waving to the ‘natives’, to continue their holidays oblivious.

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سيف الله
11-14-2018, 01:24 AM
Salaam

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Blurb

Deputy editor of 5Pillars, Dilly Hussain, delivered a lecture at the University of Oxford on the plight of the Uyghur Muslims of Xinjiang (occupied East Turkestan).

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سيف الله
12-21-2018, 10:56 PM
Salaam

Another update.



More protests.





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Mandy
12-22-2018, 04:19 PM
It is always sad to see people using their intelligence to do such bad things.
Imagine how wonderful place if everyone used their energy and intelligence for good things instead!
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سيف الله
12-25-2018, 10:08 AM
Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by Mandy
It is always sad to see people using their intelligence to do such bad things.
Imagine how wonderful place if everyone used their energy and intelligence for good things instead!
Something to pray for *sigh*

Another update. Was written in The Mail on Sunday, 6th December 2009

The Other Tibet - China's Ruthless Imperial Strategy in Sinkiang

It is now nine years since I, together with my superb photographer colleague Richard Jones (since banned from China) , and by a brilliant translator and fixer whom I shall not name here, travelled to the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar, and the troubled metropolis of Urumchi in China's far west. But recent news from this area - of re-education camps, round-ups of dissenters, railway closures and the most elaborate surveillance state yet to operate anywhere in the world, have prompted me to republish what still seems to me to be a highly relevant article. It is, incidentally, one of the articles now incorporated in my e-book 'Short Breaks in Mordor' which has recently been thoroughly revised and expanded and will very soon be published as a proper three-dimensional printed book.

The streets of Old Kashgar were running with blood on the day I arrived, with slaughter on every street corner. I am relieved to say that on this occasion the blood was from the throats of hundreds of sheep being ritually slaughtered — the highlight of the Muslim festival of Eid-ul-Adha as celebrated in this lovely old oasis on the Silk Road, which was already ancient when Marco Polo passed this way in the 13th century.

But in this tense, racially divided and unhappy part of Peking’s hard-faced and increasingly muscular empire, human blood sometimes flows on these streets as well. And it may do so again, Heaven forbid. We do not really know how much killing there has been. Modern China has liberated money and trade, but not information. Locals talk in low voices about anything remotely political.

This, however, is certain: last year, just before the Olympics, two Kashgar Muslims drove a truck into a group of jogging Chinese paramilitary troops, then attacked them with knives and home-made grenades, killing 17. The two were caught and later executed — probably shot in the head, still a common method of capital punishment in the People’s Republic.

The anger follows aggressive colonisation. Ethnic Chinese people have come West in their millions in the past 30 years, encouraged by the state to settle and make the region their own. The locals fear their homeland is being snatched away from them before their eyes, by strangers who wish to change the place to suit them, rather than adapt to the customs of the country.

What seem to have been race riots broke out in Sinkiang’s provincial capital Urumchi last July, with an official death count of 156, plus 800 injured, many, it is said, in horrific slashing attacks by inflamed Muslim mobs. Women were not spared.

Ethnic Chinese retaliated soon afterwards, taking to the streets with iron bars and axes and looking for suitable candidates for gory vengeance. Rumours suggest that the real butcher’s bill was much higher than the published figure, around 2,000. Who can say?

A few weeks ago, the authorities announced the executions of 12 more men for their part in the carnage — ten Muslims and two ethnic Chinese, to prove they are not wholly one-sided. Actually, the proportions may be more or less just.

Any sane person must be appalled by such outbreaks of ancient bloodlust, and — as in Tibet last year — the cause of the local people is severely set back in the West by being linked to such cruel horrors. China’s response is understandable, if overdone.

It is physically impossible to telephone abroad, or use the internet, throughout Sinkiang, China’s vast, western-most province, thanks to the official and unlikely Chinese belief that the trouble was fanned by exiles in the United States.

In Kashgar and Urumchi, which are both in Sinkiang but 700 miles apart, squads of paramilitary riot police patrol or set up sudden road blocks — in many cases they are in full battle kit, and some wear uniforms of Cold War-era dark green.

They are supposed to reassure, but mainly they remind people of recent trouble. I watched one group file silently down Urumchi’s Happiness Street, passing a desolate, darkened Muslim restaurant put out of business by fear.

Even middle-class Muslims and ethnic Chinese are nowadays nervous of mixing with each other in public. One Muslim who tried to carry on seeing Chinese friends described to me how she was then shunned by her Muslim neighbours.

A sort of apartheid, voluntary but bitter, is springing up in the enormous city. “When people who have lived alongside you for years suddenly turn on you, you cannot feel safe near them ever again,” said one Chinese resident.

Both Urumchi and Kashgar are full of banners urging ethnic unity for the sake of the motherland. Military trucks are adorned with banners pledging troops will treat the people as if they were their parents, rather unconvincingly, given that they are armed with pump-action shotguns and long rubber clubs.

In Kashgar’s main square, across the road from a colossal statue of Mao Tse-Tung, the riot squad exercise their tactics and manoeuvres, a sort of ballet of brutality, as people of both ethnic groups hurry by trying not to catch the eye of authority.

Did I say main square? Not exactly. Kashgar is, in fact, two cities, the ethnic Chinese one, with its mobile phone stores, beer shops and Cantonese restaurants, and the Muslim one, inhabited by the Turkic Uighur people (pronounced ‘Wee-gur’), where men in fierce moustaches and fur hats consume quantities of mutton and tea, and you can buy your own sacrificial sheep for perhaps £50 (though a top-grade ram in good condition costs four times as much).

It has two main squares. While the huge stone Mao waves jauntily on one, the other is dominated by the ancient Id Kah Mosque, done out in garish yellow but profoundly serious and sombre in the freezing early dawn of this most holy day.

The riot squad are there too, tactfully to one side but bitterly out-of-place as the all-male worshippers, dark-clad and quiet, stream into the square, filling it and the neighbouring streets until the mosque and all the surrounding space are covered with men and boys kneeling on their individual prayer rugs. It is impossible to be unmoved as they make the solemn gestures of devotion that have been repeated here for more than 1,000 years. It is also hard not to wonder if this is not also a demonstration.

The same feeling — will this explode? — springs urgently to mind later when, with the sun up and the air warming, a band climbs to the roof of the mosque and — matched by another perched above a nearby porch — begins to play the ancient dance music of the Uighurs. On the mosque steps are groups of beggars, dirty and squalid, displaying stumps. They are waiting for their grisly share — mandated under Islamic law — of the slaughtered sheep that are being butchered all around.

Some are women, grotesquely veiled in the local style, even more restrictive than the Afghan burka. Their entire heads and faces are covered by a sort of brown wool shroud, through which they can presumably see where they are going, though they look horribly like walking corpses as they go about the streets.

Some are old, some are young. But it is not universal. Modern China has had an impact. Many of the Uighur women wear headscarves in the carefree Iranian style, and strut about in high heels. It is startling enough to see a band on the roof of a mosque, as incongruous as a clown at a funeral. The music they make is even more strange and oddly disturbing. It is relentless, insistent and unsettling.

One man blows a sort of trumpet, a mixture of tooting and buzzing that sounds a little like the old comb-and-lavatory-paper combination familiar to generations of British schoolboys before the days of Andrex. He is accompanied by two others wielding long, curved sticks to pound a relentless beat on two drums, one fast and one slow.

Suddenly one of the fur-hatted men shouts something up to the band. The rhythm changes to a more urgent, yet more haunting tune and within 30 seconds half the men on the square are dancing. It is an old and seemingly simple dance, plainly learned in early childhood, and it feels both sad and angry.

One group abruptly begins circling behind me and one of the dancers, in a kind of trance and indifferent to who or what is in his way, barges into me quite hard. It is nothing personal (I think) but this sight is definitely not intended to be picturesque or twee. I consider joining in for all of five seconds, and then decide that it would probably get me beaten up for disrespect.

The dancers are mostly pretty unlovely, scruffily dressed and unsentimental. They do not smile. One has a mobile phone clamped to his ear as he moves. It is an affirmation of an ancient and warlike tradition.

Later I learn that, 20 years ago or earlier, the whole square would have been dancing, that this culture is dying, or rather that it is being killed.

For we are at the scene of a tragedy nearly as wretched as the similar destruction of Tibet’s even more ancient culture. In a few years, if the authorities 2,000 miles away in Peking have their way, Old Kashgar will have ceased to exist.

I got there just in time. Great tracts of the city have already vanished under the bulldozer and the wrecking ball. Broken houses stand open to the sky, and there are large melancholy stretches of bulldozed mud, the size of football pitches.

The loss is unbearable. This is a place so old that it has been invaded by both Genghis Khan and Tamerlane, where many of the tiny houses, built of mud bricks, have secret tunnels beneath them, designed for the inhabitants to hide from murder, rape and plunder as various invaders passed through.

It has in its time been Buddhist, Christian and is now Muslim. It stands in the midst of a great desert, ringed with vineyards and orchards planted before the birth of Christ. Yet it is about to vanish for ever.

Guided by a helpful inhabitant, I penetrated into the heart of the maze of streets, whose claustrophobic chaos probably annoys the Chinese authorities as much as anything else. You could never get a tank down these narrow ways, nor even an armoured car, and a foot patrol would need to be very careful if it came this way in troubled times.

After rounding five corners, I found myself in a narrow alley, partly roofed over. Three men have hold of a quivering black sheep. Another similar beast stands tethered close by, watching and smelling the fate it too will undergo in a few minutes.

They turn its head towards Mecca and hold it down, its throat over a metal pan, as one produces a newly sharpened knife and hacks its throat open. Its head is almost completely off before it finally stops kicking and convulsing. A young boy watching the butchery ends up with streaks of gore on his cheeks.

The sheep, steaming in the freezing air, is then expertly and neatly butchered, a process I will not describe in detail (especially the removal of the skin) but which ends with some rather skilful, intricate business with the entrails.

“Every Uighur man knows how to do this,” a neighbour assures me. Several contradictory thoughts crowd into my mind. The first is a sort of envy at the honesty of all this. These are real men, who are prepared to kill the flesh they eat and to be splattered and smeared with blood as they do it. Whereas we prefer our meat neatly packaged in the supermarket chiller, barely recognisable as the animal it has come from, and think sentimentally about little lambs.

The second is a Christian unease at what is obviously a sort of sacrifice, something which is supposed to have ended at the Crucifixion. The local name of the festival is ‘Corban’, from the Arabic word for sacrifice.

It commemorates the Muslim belief that Ibrahim — the biblical Abraham — was preparing to sacrifice his son (they say it was Ishmael, the Bible says it was Isaac) when he found a ram trapped in a thicket and sacrificed that instead. Christians and Jews see the story as an instruction to end human sacrifice. Muslims seem to view it as permission to continue animal sacrifices.

I must admit I have certainly been desensitised to brutality by what I have seen. Would it be easier, if I had slain a sheep in this way, for me to do the same to a human being? I am sure it would be.

How many sheep had the fanatical killers of Ken Bigley or Daniel Pearl slaughtered and beheaded before they turned their knives on their fellow creatures?

This thought seems most unfair to the smiling, proud, friendly Uighurs who have shown me such hospitality, invited me into their tiny one-room homes and spoken with sad regret of the imminent destruction of a way of life that has lasted for 2,000 years. “We don't want to go and live in blocks of flats,” one explained to me in poignant terms that many British city-dwellers would completely understand.

“Here we are all together, we see and talk to our neighbours all the time in courtyards and lanes. We do not close our front doors, nor do we need to. But once we are in flats we will cease to be proper people. Once you live behind a locked door, much of your life has gone.” It is they who are being sacrificed to China’s unrelenting drive for modernity, and to the fervent, rather arrogant Chinese nationalism that has taken over from Maoist communism as the binding dogma of the state.

Every city in the country seems destined to turn into a sort of Oriental Las Vegas, with monster six-lane streets lined with showy pillared hotels and fake marble shopping malls devoted to the worship of global brands, all surrounded by mile on mile of grubby, stained concrete blocks of flats. Much of Kashgar already looks like this. Despite loud protests from Chinese scholars and outsiders, the plan seems to be to destroy almost all of the ancient city, and to rebuild the houses with modern methods, a sort of Disney version of the real thing.

Big signs everywhere in the old city refer to ‘dangerous’ buildings. This is because the pretext for this official vandalism is ‘protection against earthquakes’, though up-to-date Chinese buildings (especially schools) failed badly to stand up to earthquakes in Sichuan and Yunnan provinces in 2008 and 2009.

In one outlying portion of the city, you can see the sanitised, tourist version of it that Peking is planning — a ridiculous mini-Kashgar that you must pay to enter, its lanes neatly tiled, its houses labelled in English, its streets tidily signposted to avoid the enjoyable confusion of an unplanned town. No pools of sheep’s blood are to be found on its street corners.

How sad it will be when this is all that is left. For this small ancient place is an extraordinarily valuable part of our planet, and of some importance even to us in Britain. Right up until 1949, we and the Soviet Union both maintained busy consulates here as we continued the Great Game, the old struggle by which Britain sought to keep Moscow’s prying hands away from our Indian Empire.

Thanks to the completely artificial frontier between ‘Europe’ and ‘Asia’ we often forget that one unbroken landmass stretches from Calais to Shanghai — a landmass we are much closer to than we used to be, whether we like it or not. If there is a border between Europe and Asia it is really here, not on the Urals. The word ‘Sinkiang’ means ‘New Frontier’, and China only recently established absolute power in this territory of desert, mountain and oil. That power is pretty much colonial.

In Kashgar, the local language is closer by far to Turkish than to Chinese. The Afghan border is a day’s drive away, as are Pakistan and both halves of Kashmir. Iran is surprisingly close, along with the great bubble of oil and gas around the Caspian Basin. Not much more distant is the back door to Tibet, and a mysterious chunk of territory still angrily disputed between India and China. In Urumchi, you see Russian, Arabic and Chinese script jostling for supremacy on the shop signs.

And here the astonishing jigsaw of ‘stans’ — Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tadzhikistan — fits untidily together at the landlocked heart of the Eurasian landmass, each of them wooed for its oil or strategic position by both Moscow and Washington.

China is keenly aware that until 1991, these were all subject provinces of an apparently mighty Kremlin in Moscow. Now they are all independent states, until Moscow regains its strength — or Peking gobbles them up. Peking cannot, will not contemplate such independence for Sinkiang, its Western outpost and also full of oil and gas.

The mightiest symbol of this newly vigorous empire is the almost unbelievable 700-mile railway between Urumchi and Kashgar, completed ten years ago, most of it driven through desert as barren as the surface of Mars, or climbing laboriously through mountains, fenced against the camels that can be seen roaming untethered by the tracks. Even here, way beyond the back of beyond, the remotest place on Earth is bound tightly to the motherland with links of concrete and steel.

The railway’s centralising, imperial purpose is clear above all from its suspicious attitude to the natives. Travellers from Kashgar are searched for knives and subjected to identity checks before they can board the train, a reflection of the Chinese prejudice against supposedly knife-wielding Uighur Muslims.

Nobody but China builds railways like this anymore. As the world’s other empires evaporated, collapsed, died or weakened, China slowly woke to the realisation of its giant, almost limitless potential.

So far we have tended to view this rebirth with wonder and a certain amount of admiration. As we learn more of its ruthlessness, its touchy sensitivity to criticism, its unashamed imperial purpose and its newly passionate national fervour, we might also begin to feel a little apprehension as well.

China once bestrode Asia but turned its face away from the rest of the world. Soon it hopes to land its first man on the Moon and to sit as of right at every top table of power and diplomacy. It is immensely rich, in fact its growth outstrips anything we can imagine, yet it is not free, nor is it likely to be. The world has not seen such a power before.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2018/10/the-other-tibet-chinas-riuthless-imperial-strategy-in-sinkiang-.html
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سيف الله
01-01-2019, 01:31 AM
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Another update.

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سيف الله
01-03-2019, 10:24 PM
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Hui Muslims arent being spared.







Christians targeted also.

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سيف الله
01-05-2019, 10:54 PM
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Another update.

Targetting the intellectual classes.



China passes law to make Islam 'compatible with socialism'

New decree seeks to 'guide Islam', as crackdown against Muslims and Islamic symbols continues.


China has passed a new law that seeks to "Sinicize" Islam within the next five years, the latest move by Beijing to rewrite how the religion is practised.

China's main English newspaper, Global Times, reported on Saturday that after a meeting with representatives from eight Islamic associations, government officials "agreed to guide Islam to be compatible with socialism and implement measures to Sinicize the religion".

The newspaper did not provide further details or the names of the associations that agreed to the decree.

China has embarked on an aggressive "Sinification" campaign in recent years with faith groups that were largely tolerated in the past seeing their freedoms shrink under Chinese President Xi Jinping, China's most powerful leader since Mao Zedong.

Practicing Islam has been made forbidden in parts of China, with individuals caught praying, fasting, growing a beard or wearing a hijab, facing the threat of arrest.

According to the UN, more than one million Uighur Muslims are estimated to be held in internment camps where they are forced to denounce the religion and pleadge allegiance to the officially atheist ruling Communist Party.

Rights groups have accused China of engaging in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. In August, a Washington Post editorial said the world "can't ignore" the campaign against Muslims.

Islamic crescents and domes have been stripped from mosques, and according to the Associated Press news agency, religious schools and Arabic classes have been banned and children barred from participating in Muslim activities.

China has rejected the criticism, saying it protects the religion and culture of its minorities.

However, in the past week alone, authorities in China's Yunnan province, which borders Mynamar, have closed three mosques established by the marginalised Hui Muslim ethnic minority, the South China Morning Post has reported.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...185031063.html
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Extreme surveillance, accounts of torture and the detention of up to a million Uighur is all part of what seems to be China’s attempt at eradicating the Uighur identity from its borders





Oh oh, somebodys connecting the dots.

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سيف الله
01-09-2019, 08:10 AM
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Another update









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سيف الله
01-10-2019, 09:24 PM
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Another update

Turkey abandons Uighurs in favor of Chinese investment

“If you don’t come back home now, you’ll never be able to see your homeland again.” Memet Atawulla received the threatening message last May on WeChat, China’s main messaging app. Though written in the Uighur language, he immediately knew it had come from the Chinese secret services.

“They wanted me to go back,” explains Atawulla, 31, as he sips a soda in one of Ankara’s glitzy cafes. Originally from the oasis town of Hotan in Xinjiang, northwest China, he moved to Turkey in 2016 to pursue a master’s degree on a scholarship program.

“When I told the agents I was staying here, they said they would leave me alone if I cooperated.” As with many Uighurs living abroad, the Chinese secret services asked Atawulla to become an informant for them. He refused, and is now certain traveling back home would result in his arrest.

Atawulla's two younger brothers have already been placed in what China calls re-education camps. In March 2018, his mother was taken into custody. “That’s what they do to Uighurs who have family members in other countries,” he says, referring to the Chinese authorities.

His relatives are among the estimated 1 million Muslims — mostly Uighurs but also Kazakhs — who have been sent to internment camps since China tightened its grip on minorities in 2016. While Beijing insists the camps were set up to combat Islamic extremism, human rights organizations have decried them as indoctrination centers whose true objective is to subvert the identities of the country’s Turkic-speaking Muslim minorities and undermine their devotion to Islam.

Atawulla came to Turkey thinking its stance on the Uighur question was clear: enduring brotherhood.

Cultural and linguistic similarities have long united Turks and Uighurs, who view each other as distant if familiar cousins. Turkish nationalists regard Uighurs, along with the other Turkic peoples, as Turkey’s ethnic brethren. Because of such ties, Ankara had always been the prime defender of the Uighur cause on the world stage.

So when the news came out about the mass detentions in China, Atawulla was stunned to see the Turkish government remain silent.

Until now, Turkey was not only one of the only nations speaking out for the Uighurs’ plight, but it had also maintained an open-door policy toward them.

Following Mao Zedong’s invasion of the region referred to by Uighurs as “East Turkestan” in 1949, Turkey took in its first wave of Uighur refugees. In 1952, about 1,850 of them were re-settled in designated areas in the cities of Istanbul and Kayseri. In 1961, Turkey accepted another 2,000 Uighur families who had first fled to Afghanistan after being driven out of a China by a decree that those with a foreign-born parent must leave.

Neighborhoods such as Istanbul’s Zeytinburnu came to be known as Uighur areas, rife with restaurants serving the community’s customary laghman and pilaf.

Among these émigrés was Isa Alptekin, the de facto leader of the Uighur nationalist movement in exile for most of the 20th century. The Turkish government sheltered Alptekin until his death in 1995.

“Since the times of Ataturk, it had been a lot easier for us to move here and obtain citizenship compared to other immigrants,” contends Erkin Emet, a professor of the Uighur language at the University of Ankara and secretary of the World Uighur Congress, a Munich-based organization founded in 2006.

In 2009, after violent riots broke out between Han Chinese and Uighurs in Urumqi, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, then prime minister, likened the ill treatment of the Uighurs to genocide. In January 2015, Turkey intervened in Thailand to rescue 500 Uighurs who had escaped from China and were spotted by Thai police in a human smuggling camp. At that time, China accused Turkish consular services of helping Uighurs escape from Thailand and Malaysia by providing them with fake passports.

More recently, though, Ankara seems to have given up on the Turks' Uighur brothers.

“For a few years, Turkey has stopped distributing passports or residency permits to Uighurs,” Emet says. “Now, we’re subject to the same rules as any other immigrants.”

The president has also ceased to fulminate against the Chinese "oppressors" and pro-government media outlets now blatantly ignore Uighur-related news.

This drastic change in policy goes hand in hand with a rapprochement between Turkey and China. As the Turkish government deepens economic ties with its Chinese counterpart through the Belt and Road Initiative and by welcoming direct investment, it appears to be yielding to pressure from Beijing.

“After the economic crisis here, the Chinese government granted Turkey a loan of $3.6 billion,” remarks Emet. “That’s why no one reacted to the atrocities in the camps.”

Like many Uighurs, Abduweli Ayup feels betrayed by their traditional patron. “The Chinese persecute us because we eat Turkish food, wear Turkish clothes and sing Turkish songs,” he says in a cafe in Fatih, a stone’s throw from Istanbul’s historic quarter.

“Erdogan always says he defends the Muslims who are oppressed in the world. So why isn’t he doing anything for us?” he adds vociferously, attracting stares from Arab tourists a few tables away.

A linguist, Ayup had worked to set up a network of Uighur-language schools until his arrest in August 2013. He was jailed on charges of taking part in separatist activities before being released in November 2014. Still, his schools were shut down and Chinese officials closely watched each move he made.

Ayup moved to Turkey in 2015 hoping to find some respite, but to no avail. During his last interview with a journalist, he realized two Chinese spies were sitting behind him. And as Ayup was followed and threatened, his cries for help to Turkish officials fell on deaf ears.

“They bother me all the time asking me to go back to China. The Chinese Embassy canceled my passport so the spies blackmail me, saying they’ll renew it if I cooperate. I can’t ask the police here for protection; it’s an open fact that calling them is useless.”

Now effectively stateless, Ayup is stuck in Turkey, though he does not feel safe there. He fears the Turkish authorities will collaborate more actively with Chinese intelligence and would immediately leave for Germany if he could.

Two months ago, he found out his two sisters and one of his brothers had been thrown into camps. The topic brings him to tears.

When asked why he thinks Turkey has let his people down, Ayup pauses and sighs. “Money is evil,” he said.

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...f-uighurs.html

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سيف الله
01-14-2019, 11:57 PM
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Another update. This is dark. . . . .

BIG BROTHER WATCH

Is China trying to erase the identity of the Uyghur people? Of the 10m Uyghurs in Xinjiang province, western China, around one in eight is now interned in a re-education camp, and the rest might as well be.

China is using intense surveillance; street based facial recognition, QR-coding of homes, obligatory tissue typing and iris scanning, not to mention detention and re-education, to achieve an Orwellian level of control. Intelligence officials are allocated as ‘adopted’ family members, and digital devices have spyware installed. Uyghur rights groups say children are now being taken from their families, the Uyghur language is banned in schools and workplaces, mosques are being destroyed and there are restrictions on wearing a headscarf, growing facial hair and choosing culturally significant baby names.

According to Human Rights Watch having to many children, owning a tent, watching a film made abroad, refusing to denounce family members speaking Uyghur in public, refusing tissue-typing, having a VPN (virtual private computer network) or making or receiving an international phone call can all result in indefinite internment.

Personal citizenship scores are allocated based on behaviour. Fewer points mean heavy restrictions on everything from employment to freedom of movement. It is nearly impossible for Uyghurs to live outside Xinjian, since renting rooms to them is a crime. Uyghurs living overseas have lost contact with relatives back home, now knowing if they’re just afraid to respond, in detention or dead, Executions for ‘separatism’ are common, but in November a prominent Uyghur businessman, Abdughapar Abdurusul, was sentenced to death for performing the Hajj.

The rest of the world, meanwhile, remains silent. Even Arab nations, vociferous in their criticism of ill treatment of Muslims Israel and Myanmar, seem unaware that 10 m Muslims are being corralled and controlled in Western China, rendered increasingly invisible as their cultural identity is carefully eradicated.

Why does nobody object to this growing totalitarianism? In 1997, US President Bill Clinton confidently told China that repression left it on the wrong side of history; but in 2019 Big Trade speaks louder than rights and freedoms, and China is highly significant trading partner which spends untold billions around the world, not least in Middle Eastern Oil.

It is not only governments that are silent however. Even private individuals are more complicit than they might realise. Mainstream western investment funds (on which most UK pensions rely) have profited from Chinese companies like surveillance camera makers Hikviosn and Dahua, whose share prices rose sharply thanks to massive snooping contracts in Xinjiang. Chinese facial recognition company SenseTime has attracted huge western investment and is not the worlds most valuable AI platform.

Historically, the attempt to eliminate ethnic groups through oppression and ghettoization has been a precursor to physical genocide, attracting international outrage; but Chinas bloodless ethnic cleansing is more sophisticated and so avoid triggering those irritating accusations of crimes against humanity. Once people are contained their children re-educated and their cultural identity erased, time and patience will do the rest. Thus may the Uyghurs, crushed by the Chinese state and condemned by global indifference, go quietly into that good night.

PE NO 1487



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How cynical.

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سيف الله
01-15-2019, 08:56 PM
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Another update

The War on Terror’s Reeducation Camps

By

Maryam Jamshidi

After 9/11, Western governments launched a domestic war on terror to surveil and police Muslims. Now, China is using the same framework to justify reeducation camps and mass repression.



Since 2016, China has placed approximately 2 million Uyghurs in detention centers for political reeducation, according to conservative estimates. The Uyghurs, who number around 10 million, are a Turkic minority living primarily in southwestern China. The official justification for their detention: fighting “Islamic extremism.”

The detention centers are driven, at their heart, by the political needs of the China’s ruling class. But they are framed within a set of counter-terrorism policies, known as Countering Violent Extremism (CVE), liberal Western governments and intergovernmental institutions have advocated since 9/11.

Though its precise contours vary by country and organization, CVE aims to prevent individuals from engaging in “terrorist” violence by addressing its purported ideological drivers. Like China’s detention centers, CVE is based on the notion that “extreme” beliefs, specifically Islamically inspired ones, are likely to lead to violence and threaten national security. Its goal is to counteract and ultimately eradicate those belief systems. CVE is, in essence, reeducation without the camps.

The Chinese detention centers show the alarming consequences of CVE’s approach of using ideology as a proxy for violent behavior. They are a reminder that, in practice, these initiatives mask or avoid the systemic political problems, like dictatorship or war, that drive political violence. Their existence also challenges CVE advocates who claim that, notwithstanding its many problems, CVE is a kinder, gentler version of counter-terrorism and is better than “doing nothing.”

Repressing the Uyghurs


China’s repression of the Uyghur population has been happening for decades, though its justifications changed after 9/11. Some segments of the Uyghur population have been committed to the cause of independence since 1949, when China occupied the region known to Uyghurs as East Turkmenistan. Threatened by the region’s separatist tendencies, China implemented policies to eradicate expressions of the indigenous population’s identity. This included curbing adherence to Islam, to which the vast majority of Uyghurs subscribe.

A series of violent attacks allegedly committed by members of the Uyghur community in 2013 and 2014 were the pretext for the latest crackdown and the emergence of the political reeducation camps. The Chinese government has used these centers before — they were a key feature of the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s and ’70s. While they continue to be utilized, in more limited ways, for petty criminals, the size and scope of the Uyghur reeducation program has not been seen since the Cultural Revolution’s end.

As the New York Times has reported, the goal of these centers is to remove all attachments to Islam. Individuals are often sent to these camps for expressing any form of Islamic identity, no matter how mundane. According to former detainees and researchers, the detention centers feature interrogations about religious practices, require detainees to attend hours-long sessions about the “dangers” of Islam, and emphasize obeying Chinese law over Sharia.

CVE

The Chinese detention centers’ goal of ideological transformation is also central to CVE. CVE began in Britain in the early 2000s and has since spread to innumerable countries, including the United States, the UK, and various Muslim-majority states. It’s also been uncritically embraced by multilateral and intergovernmental institutions, like the UN.

CVE is based on a theory of “radicalization” that claims that in order to become ”terrorists,” individuals must first embrace a way of thinking inclining them toward violence; that this “radicalization” can be predicted, in part, by theological and cultural factors; and that identifying these factors can help governments prevent terrorism. According to this philosophy, there is no distinction between so-called extreme beliefs and violence — the former, even if nonviolent, leads, inexorably, to the latter.

Governments began adopting CVE as a counter-terrorism strategy in the early 2000s. It led to programs like the NYPD’s surveillance of Muslim communities in the greater New York area, which the Associated Press exposed in 2011. The NYPD’s surveillance of over 250 mosques and countless restaurants, cafes, community organizations, and student associations was driven by the CVE-influenced argument that “radicalization” is associated with indicators like“[w]earing traditional Islamic clothing, growing a beard,” or “[j]oining or forming a group of like-minded individuals in a quest to strengthen one’s dedication to Salafi Islam.”

The federal government’s CVE program, which was launched in the early years of the Obama administration, did not openly link such cultural factors with violence. But in practice, it disproportionately focused on Muslim communities. To the extent the Trump administration has continued to pursue CVE, it has adopted an explicit and exclusive focus on Muslims.

The British version of CVE, known as Prevent, has also been explicit in describing terrorism as associated with nonviolent ideological and cultural markers derived from so-called radical Islam. The Prevent program requires health professionals, teachers, and other public servants to monitor and report on individuals, including school children, displaying those markers. In general, the European approach to CVE embraces this “early prevention” model, which, in contrast to the US version, allows for intervention at the very first signs of nonviolent, “radical” thought.

Nothing May Be Better


There is no clear agreement on the definition of radicalization, extremism, or violent extremism, or how they relate to one another. Nor — despite all the money and research poured into CVE — is there any consensus on what leads individuals to participate in terrorism. Similarly, there is no evidence that belief systems, whether Islamic or otherwise, necessarily cause people to engage in violence. What the data does suggest, however, is that those who commit violent acts do not inevitably possess “radical” beliefs at all.

As the last fifteen years have made clear, CVE is most useful as a way of criminalizing individual belief. At best, CVE programs co-opt communities to police ideologies states dislike. At worst, they lead to the Chinese model. Indeed, the only restrictions on CVE’s inevitably regressive consequences come from outside CVE itself, namely from preexisting civil and human rights laws. Even where meaningful civil rights and liberties do exist, CVE is inherently threatening to those protections. Where civil and human rights laws have been eroded, are meaningless, or nonexistent, CVE programs have served as tools of political repression, legitimizing restrictions on speech and political activism.

As state practice has shown, CVE is a convenient way of “explaining” terrorism without having to address government policies, from hawkish foreign policy to authoritarian domestic practices, that are often the real targets of “terrorist” actors. While couched in terms of liberal values and community safety, CVE provides governments with the ideological justification to pursue preexisting agendas, instead of grounding their policies in empirical data.

It is no wonder, then, that Chinese government officials have used the rhetoric of CVE to legitimate their detention centers, or that some have fallen for it. While rooted in domestic political conflicts and longstanding Chinese state practices, the reeducation camps represent the full expression of CVE, gloves off.

Of course, supporting marginalized young people through education and employment opportunities, as some CVE programs encourage, is critical for any society. Embedding these programs within CVE, however, instrumentalizes those efforts for the sake of a “war on terror” that has wreaked havoc on civil rights worldwide. Far from being a holistic, humane program effective at preventing terrorism, CVE is a wolf in sheep’s clothing that aims to culturally transform Muslim identities. As China’s practices toward the Uyghurs stir public condemnation, they should also raise serious questions about whether CVE is, indeed, better than doing nothing at all.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/01/u...-war-on-terror
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OLFocus
01-15-2019, 09:24 PM
حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل

إنا لله و إنا إليه راجعون
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سيف الله
01-15-2019, 09:37 PM
Salaam

Is there is a change? Or is it a PR move?



China’s largest Muslim ally broke ranks to criticize its repression of the Muslim Uighur minority

  • China has subjected its Uighur population, a majority-Muslim ethnic minority, to an unprecedented amount of surveillance and policing.
  • Beijing has insisted that this helps counter terrorism and prevent religious radicalism.
  • But earlier this week Pakistan's federal minister openly criticized those policies, saying that they actually fuel religious extremism.
  • It is the strongest condemnation of China's actions from a Muslim ally yet.
  • Pakistan is China's closest ally in the Muslim world.


Pakistan, China's closest ally in the Muslim world, openly criticized its treatment of its Uighur population, a majority-Muslim ethnic minority living in the western Chinese region in Xinjiang, earlier this week.

It marks the strongest condemnation of China's repression of the population yet.

Noorul Haq Qadri, Pakistan's federal minister for religious affairs, warned that Beijing's strict regulation of Uighur activity fuels extremism rather than counters terrorism, Pakistani media reported.

"The placement of restrictions increases the chances of an extremist viewpoint growing in reaction," Qadri told China's ambassador to Pakistan, Yao Xing, on Wednesday according to Dawn newspaper.

His comments directly challenge China's justification of its crackdown on Xinjiang— known to Uighurs as East Turkestan — which are that it counters terrorism and is "training" people to avoid religious extremism.

Qadri on Wednesday also called for a softer approach from Beijing to curb intolerance and promote religious harmony in Xinjiang, Pakistan's The Nation newspaper reported.

He also proposed for Pakistani religious scholars to visit Xinjiang.

Yao appeared to agree, reportedly saying: "Exchange of viewpoints between religious scholars of both countries is vital for better interfaith relations."

Yao also invited Qadri to visit China, Dawn reported, although it's not clear whether this would entail a trip to Xinjiang.

Rights activists in turn have accused China of imprisoning up to 1 million Uighurs in detention centers or re-education camps, and citing bogus excuses — from changing the time on a watch to growing a beard— for doing so.

Li Xiaojun, a spokesman for China's state council information office, told reporters last week that sending Uighurs to detention centers was "not mistreatment," but "to establish professional training centers, educational centers."

"If you do not say it's the best way, maybe it's the necessary way to deal with Islamic or religious extremism," Li said, according to Reuters. "Because the West has failed in doing so, in dealing with religious Islamic extremism."

"Look at Belgium, look at Paris, look at some other European countries," he added, referring to terrorist attacks in Brussels and Paris carried out by Islamic extremists in 2015 and 2016. "You have failed."

Beijing has also repeatedly insisted that Xinjiang residents lived in harmony and enjoyed religious freedom.

The strongest criticism from China's biggest Muslim ally

Whether China will allow Islamic scholars into Xinjiang is not clear, and the likelihood of its curbing its surveillance on Uighurs is unlikely — Beijing told the UN human rights chief, Michelle Bachelet, to back off after she called for international monitors to be let into Xinjiang earlier this month.

But the fact that Pakistan brought up the Uighur issue to China is worth noting. Qadri's comments marked the strongest criticism China has received from a Muslim nation over its Uighur policies.

Experts have told Business Insider that this is likely because they don't want to jeopardize their economic relationships with China — particularly as China pours more and more money into the Belt and Road Initiative, which aims to link China to more than 70 countries around the world via railroads, shipping lanes, and other infrastructure.

Turkey spoke out against China's treatment of Uighurs in 2009 and 2015, which resulted in Beijing repeatedly warning Istanbul not to "twist facts" or "poison ties and derail cooperation" between the two countries.

Whether Islamabad will suffer the same fate is not clear. Pakistan is China's biggest economic ally in the Muslim world, with the two countries forming in 2013 the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor — a massive $62 billion partnership consisting of transport and energy projects.

China has invested between $1 trillion and $8 trillion in its BRI deals around the world, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The BRI is one of Xi Jinping's pet projects.

https://www.businessinsider.com/paki...18-9?r=US&IR=T

Concrete action being taken.

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space
01-15-2019, 10:11 PM
do you know what happened to people of Noah, Lut, Hud, Salih, Shuayb (aleyhi salam) and others mentioned in the Quran?
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Alamgir
01-15-2019, 10:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by space
do you know what happened to people of Noah, Lut, Hud, Salih, Shuayb (aleyhi salam) and others mentioned in the Quran?
Asalamu Alaikum

Shhhhh, why would you want to warn them lol?
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space
01-15-2019, 10:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir
Asalamu Alaikum Shhhhh, why would you want to warn them lol?

Wa'alaykum Assalam




: )
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SintoDinto
01-16-2019, 06:25 PM
United States presidential white house to consider china sanctions bill in light of uighur rights violations. (my own commentary: but will they when china holds 3 trillion dollars of us debt)? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-human-rights/

also, the US federal government is undergoing a massive shutdown thanks to trump's border wall

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a statement directly from the white house website, with mike pence condemning china's abuses of religious minorities, including uighurs: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...gious-freedom/
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سيف الله
02-03-2019, 09:50 PM
Salaam

Another update



A counter view.

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CuriousonTruth
02-04-2019, 08:31 AM
Things have gone really bad in China, now they are going after Hui muslims as well.

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Turkey should have taken Uighur refugees from detention centres instead of the Syrians.
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anatolian
02-06-2019, 07:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth

Turkey should have taken Uighur refugees from detention centres instead of the Syrians.
Turkish nationalists say the same thing and that is one of the millions of reasons they hate the current government. But China wont agree us ofcourse. We might have Islamically legitimate reason to conquer China.
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CuriousonTruth
02-07-2019, 01:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
Turkish nationalists say the same thing and that is one of the millions of reasons they hate the current government. But China wont agree us ofcourse. We might have Islamically legitimate reason to conquer China.
Well some of the grey wolves have cozied uptown the AKP, thanks to Bahceli.

And they have very valid reason to want the Syrians out and the Uighurs in. Syrian men should be trained to go back and fight, not act like drunk Arabic belly dancers on New Year's day.

Erdogan is walking a a thin plank. One Cologne incident in Turkey and his popularity will plunge under the 40%.
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سيف الله
02-08-2019, 08:14 PM
Salaam

Another update

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anatolian
02-09-2019, 09:20 PM
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/p...n-camp-3474170

Abdurrehim Heyit was a famous Uyghur folk singer. He most probably died because of the torture. Zalimun will pay the price one day.
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CuriousonTruth
02-09-2019, 09:27 PM
seriously no muslim country will even take uighur prisoners? Urumqi is lost, land is lost, the people can still be saved.
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سيف الله
02-12-2019, 09:27 PM
Salaam

Another update.




Blurb


China's treatment of the Uighurs is a scandal, and we should all be paying more attention. This video goes through the Sci-Fi hellscape China has constructed in Xinjiang, and what we should do about it.




Turkey responds.

China's treatment of Uighurs is 'embarrassment for humanity', says Turkey

Ankara calls for UN to act on ‘human tragedy’ of re-education of the Turkic-speaking minority in Xinjiang province


Turkey has condemned China’s treatment of its Muslim ethnic Uighur people as “a great embarrassment for humanity”, adding to rights groups’ recent criticism over mass detentions of the Turkic-speaking minority.

Aksoy also said Turkey had learned of the “tragic” death in custody on Saturday of Uighur poet and musician Abdurehim Heyit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ty-says-turkey

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A video has been released after reports emerged of Uighur singer Abdurehim Heyit's death in a Chinese internment camp. It purports to show Heyit alive, but in prison. Prisons have sprung up across north-west China, housing more than one million Muslims in what China has called "re-education camps."

The reported death of Heyit has now prompted the first rebuke from a Muslim-majority nation. Turkey called the "re-introduction of interment camps in the 21st century – a great shame for humanity" and asked China to "close the internment camps." Reports of the death of Heyit however, prompted for the first time, a rebuke from a majority Muslim nation, Turkey. It called the ‘re-introduction of interment camps in the 21st century – a great shame for humanity’ and asked China to ‘close the internment camps’.


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سيف الله
02-17-2019, 08:00 PM
Salaam

Another update



Chinese company leaves Muslim-tracking facial recognition database exposed online

Researcher finds one of the databases used to track Uyghur Muslim population in Xinjiang.


One of the facial recognition databases that the Chinese government is using to track the Uyghur Muslim population in the Xinjiang region has been left open on the internet for months, a Dutch security researcher told ZDNet.

The database belongs to a Chinese company named SenseNets, which according to its website provides video-based crowd analysis and facial recognition technology.

Yesterday, Victor Gevers, a well-known security researcher that made a name for himself in the past few years by finding leaky MongoDB databases did what he does best and found one of SenseNets' MongoDB databases that had been left exposed online without authentication.

Gevers told ZDNet that the database contained information on 2,565724 users, along with a stream of GPS coordinates that came in at a rapid pace.

The user data wasn't just benign usernames, but highly detailed and highly sensitive information that someone would usually find on an ID card, Gevers said. The researcher saw user profiles with information such as names, ID card numbers, ID card issue date, ID card expiration date, sex, nationality, home addresses, dates of birth, photos, and employer.

For each user, there was also a list of GPS coordinates, locations where that user had been seen.

The database also contained a list of "trackers" and associated GPS coordinates. Based on the company's website, these trackers appear to be the locations of public cameras from where video had been captured and was being analyzed.

Some of the descriptive names associated with the "trackers" contained terms such as "mosque," "hotel," "police station," "internet cafe," "restaurant," and other places where public cameras would normally be found.

Gevers told ZDNet that these coordinates were all located in China's Xinjiang province, the home of China's Uyghur Muslim minority population.

There are numerous reports of human rights abuses carried out by Chinese authorities in Xinjiang, such as forcing the Uyghur Muslim population to install spyware on their phones, or forcing some Uyghur Muslims into "re-education" camps that Uyghur Muslims living abroad have described as forced labor camps.

The database that Gevers found wasn't just some dead servers with old data. The researcher said that during the past 24 hours a stream of nearly 6.7 million GPS coordinates were recorded, meaning the database was actively tracking Uyghur Muslims as they moved around.

Not knowing what he found at the time, Gevers reported the exposed database to its owner, the Chinese company, which secured it earlier today, blocking access from non-Chinese IP addresses using a firewall rule.

The company did not respond to a request for comment before this article's publication.

The most common conclusion is that SenseNets is a government contractor, helping authorities track the Muslim minority, rather than a private company selling its product to another private entity. Otherwise, it would be hard to explain how SenseNets has access to ID card information and camera feeds from police stations and other government buildings.

Gevers said he now regrets helping the company secure its oppression tool.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/chines...xposed-online/
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CuriousonTruth
02-17-2019, 08:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/p...n-camp-3474170

Abdurrehim Heyit was a famous Uyghur folk singer. He most probably died because of the torture. Zalimun will pay the price one day.
If I am not wrong China made him release a 10th Feb statement that he is alive
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anatolian
02-18-2019, 12:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
If I am not wrong China made him release a 10th Feb statement that he is alive
China is intentionally propogating fake news on this oppresion to create a confusion in peoples’ mind. So people will give up following the issue. Actually we are still unsure whether he is alive or not.
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CuriousonTruth
02-18-2019, 04:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
China is intentionally propogating fake news on this oppresion to create a confusion in peoples’ mind. So people will give up following the issue. Actually we are still unsure whether he is alive or not.
I am sure they are, however I was talking about this person specifically. The man himself said in the video "This is 10th February."
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anatolian
02-18-2019, 06:26 PM
Can you put the link for the video? Hes been in jail the last two years. It can be last year or he might have lost his consious and confuse the dates. Anything can be expected from the chinese torture
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سيف الله
02-22-2019, 07:56 PM
Salaam

Another update






Saudi Arabia's Mohammed bin Salman Defends China's Use of Concentration Camps for Muslims During Visit to Beijing


As he faces criticism from Western countries over the brutal murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Saudi Arabia’s young crown prince Mohammed bin Salman is forming new alliances.

On Friday, the leader colloquially known as MBS arrived in China, another country accused of authoritarianism, to meet with officials there. He was greeted by China’s Vice Premier Han Zheng and signed key agreements with Beijing related to energy production and the chemical industry. During his visit, he also appeared to defend China’s use of re-education camps for its country’s Muslim population.

"China has the right to carry out anti-terrorism and de-extremization work for its national security,” the crown prince was quoted as saying on Chinese television.



China has detained an estimated 1 million Uighur Muslims in concentration camps, where they are undergoing re-education programs allegedly intended to combat extremism. The Uighur are an ethnic Turkic group that practices Islam and lives in Western China and parts of Central Asia. Beijing has accused the Uighur in its Western Xinjiang region of supporting terrorism and implemented a surveillance regime. Millions of Muslims are also allegedly being forced to study communist doctrine in the camps.

“The Chinese government has long carried out repressive policies against the Turkic Muslim peoples in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) in northwest China. These efforts have been dramatically scaled up since late 2016, when Communist Party Secretary Chen Quanguo relocated from the Tibet Autonomous Region to assume leadership of Xinjiang,” read a report from the organization Human Rights Watch.

“There have been reports of deaths in the political education camps, raising concerns about physical and psychological abuse, as well as stress from poor conditions, overcrowding, and indefinite confinement,” the report continued. “While basic medical care is available, people are held even when they have serious illnesses or are elderly; there are also children in their teens, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and people with disabilities. Former detainees reported suicide attempts and harsh punishments for disobedience in the facilities.”



China claimed the camps were vocational training schools.

Uighur groups called on Mohammed bin Salman to use his official visit to pressure China on the issue of the concentration camps, as Saudi Arabia has traditionally been a defender of the rights of Muslims worldwide.

But under the leadership of the young crown prince, the country’s leadership has become more pragmatic in its pursuit of foreign policy interests. For example, Saudi Arabia has reportedly started developing closer ties with Israel despite persistent complaints from human rights groups about the country’s treatment of Palestinians. The tentative alliance is meant to sideline Iran, Israel and Saudi Arabia’s mutual enemy.

Mohammed bin Salman will also meet China’s President Xi Jingping during his visit to the country. China and Saudi Arabia have close economic ties, having done an estimated $63 billion worth of trade in 2018.

The killing of Washington Post columnist Khashoggi in the Saudi consulate in Turkey in October 2018 isolated Saudi Arabia internationally. The U.S. intelligence community determined that Mohammad bin Salman was responsible for orchestrating the murder.

https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabi...uslims-1340592
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anatolian
02-23-2019, 07:35 AM
What would you expect from him anything else? I am not disappointed..I am more scared of the things to come when he becomes the king..
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CuriousonTruth
02-23-2019, 07:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
What would you expect from him anything else? I am not disappointed..I am more scared of the things to come when he becomes the king..
IF he becomes king. Well technically he is already an acting king.

From the things I heard from ex-sCIA officials like Brennan and other politicians and the debacle with Canada, it seems many politicians in the West don't like him either. Maybe its because he might have close links with Putin.
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سيف الله
02-23-2019, 11:00 AM
Salaam

He's a bit of a wild card, he's not as pliable as previous rulers. It could be he needs the investment and is willing to 'look the other way' (Pakistan is doing the same thing). Some have defended him.



Jugding by his previous record of silencing, imprisoning and eliminating those who disagree with him, lets not forget his cosying up to the Zios and whats happening in Yemen, Qatar etc. So its plausible.



You realy have a high opinion of yourself. MBS protecting Islam? Really? Why does he need to 'outsource' this?

US dictating Saudi religious policy



But thats the point he didnt mention it, or even hint at it, hes showing indifference or tacit approval.
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CuriousonTruth
02-23-2019, 11:29 AM
The Saudis and Emirati arabs are exactly the same kind of people who allied with Lawrence of Arabia.

The Saudis saying MBS or KSA is front of islam reminds me of how nationalist Turks say Mustafa Kemal defended Islam from the West.

The arabs are very deluded. No one outside Salafi circles support them. Much more people support Iran. I'm a 'Sunni' and I don't like Iran very much but I would support Iran over KSA/UAE anyday
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سيف الله
02-26-2019, 09:53 PM
Salaam

Another update.



Blurb

Aydin Anwar is an Uyghur-American activist and a 4th year undergraduate at Duke University majoring in International Comparative Studies. She has focused a lot of her work on the plight of East Turkestan and its occupation through her fieldwork of Uyghur refugees in Turkey and organizing and speaking at conferences. She has appeared on Al-Jazeera, TRT World, and Now This

- with her most recent piece regarding the concentration camps gaining over 60 million views worldwide. She also recently launched fundraiser campaign to support Uyghur orphans and women in Turkey and has raised over $71,000.




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سيف الله
03-02-2019, 10:07 AM
Salaam

Another update.









Chinas long term plans.

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AbdurRahman.
03-03-2019, 08:43 PM
China Muslims got it hard
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سيف الله
03-18-2019, 01:45 AM
Salaam

Cowardly and pathetic.

Organisation of Islamic Cooperation ‘commends’ China for its treatment of Muslims


One of the largest inter-governmental bodies in the world has endorsed China’s treatment of its Muslim citizens, just as the country is facing growing scrutiny for its policies targeting Uighurs in Xinjiang.

The Council of Foreign Ministers under the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) held a meeting in Abu Dhabi on March 1 and 2. It adopted a resolution on “safeguarding the rights of Muslim communities and minorities in non-OIC member states,” which included a positive reference to China.

The predominantly Muslim Uighur ethnic group are among the minorities targetted in what Beijing claims is a campaign to tackle unrest and separatism. The UN says a million Uighurs have been arbitrarily detained in extralegal “political reeducation camps,” whilst Human Rights Watch reports that surveillance and repression in Xinjiang has increased dramatically since 2016. The NGO says that biometric data is collected from residents, passports are confiscated, religious activity restricted, “abnormally long” beards, public prayers and Muslim veils are banned, whilst vehicle and mobile phone owners are made to install trackers.

The Council “welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People’s Republic of China,” the resolution read.

The OIC has 57 member states, and aims to provide “the collective voice of the Muslim world.” Its Council of Foreign Ministers meet yearly and oversee the implementation of OIC’s general policies, with its Abu Dhabi meeting being its 46th session.

The World Uyghur Congress said it was “extremely disappointing” that the OIC failed to raise the issue the mass detention of Uighurs.



Patrick Poon, a researcher at NGO Amnesty International, also called the resolution disappointing.

“I think we all need to ask the OIC members if they believe that the camps are really for ‘vocational training’ while so many Uighurs and Kazakhs and other Muslims living overseas are complaining losing contact with their relatives in Xinjiang?” Poon told HKFP.

“Are they suggesting that they support the mass detention of their Muslim brothers and sisters in China? If so, it’s really alarming and ironic to see how the Muslim countries are turning a blind eye to the fate of their brothers and sisters in China and indirectly encouraging China to crackdown on Islamism in China,” he added.



Last month, Turkey became the first Muslim nation to publicly criticise China over its policies in Xinjiang. The Turkish foreign ministry spokesperson said: “The systematic assimilation policy of Chinese authorities towards Uighur Turks is a great embarrassment for humanity.”

The country also called on the international community and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres “to take effective steps to end the human tragedy in Xinjiang region.”

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/03/1...tment-muslims/



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سيف الله
03-19-2019, 10:01 PM
Salaam

Another update




Millions of Muslims face Orwellian hell in China – Alistair Carmichael MP


The UK cannot just ignore allegations of forced organ harvesting and appalling human rights abuses of the Muslim Uyghur minority group in China, says Alistair Carmichael MP. We have learned over the years to manage our expectations when it comes to human rights and the Chinese Government.

Freedom of speech and press are rarely respected. Freedom of association is heavily clamped down on. Brutal and degrading treatment and arbitrary detention is rife. The use of capital punishment is massive and undocumented. The close monitoring of religious observance is also nothing new. The tools for that monitoring and oppression may have changed from secret police and informants, to surveillance cameras and internet tracking, but the fundamental oppression remains as strong and widespread as it ever was. But, even in that context, the treatment of the Uyghur Muslims of Xinjiang still has the capacity to shock. In August 2018, BBC journalist John Sweeney produced a remarkable 10-minute report on the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang. Before I watched it, I had never heard of Xinjiang province.

Afterwards I could hardly get it out of my mind. Sweeney’s report revealed that since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Chinese state has increasingly clamped down on Uyghur culture under the guise of counter-terror legislation. Religious practices can only occur in Government-approved mosques as a method of monitoring and controlling the communities. Headscarves and veils for women and beards on men are banned.

Muslims are forced to eat pork, despite it being forbidden by their religion. Since 2012, the situation has deteriorated even further. It is estimated that between one million and three million people have been arrested and placed in detention camps – styled as “re-education camps by the Chinese Government – across Xinjiang. “Re-education” has an already Orwellian tone to it. The reality is ten times worse. Imagine George Orwell writing in the style of Franz Kafka and you start to get the idea. Eyewitness accounts describe the prisoners as being “like robots”. It is said that they appear “as if they had lost their souls, and their memories”. To get food, they must sing pro-Chinese songs.

They must disavow their Islamic beliefs and praise the State. Failure to do so results in severe reprisals. The State will not let prisoners sleep. They hang people up for hours and beat them. There is no freedom except the freedom to love the Chinese Communist party. “Power”, Orwell wrote, “is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.” Those who built and run the re-education camps saw his novel 1984 not as work of fiction but as an instruction manual.

What can we do? So far, much of the research and investigations have been driven forward by John Sweeney and others in the BBC and campaign groups like Amnesty International, Christian Solidarity Worldwide, Human Rights Watch, and the World Uyghur Congress. Across the Western world, the response from governments, keen not to offend the Chinese Government, has been muted at best, more often totally absent.

This prompted Turkey’s Foreign Minister to call Western governments out on this. When you are relying on Turkey’s Government to give a lead on human rights then you know something has gone badly wrong somewhere. Last year the UK Parliament passed the Criminal Finances Act. In that, so-called Magnitsky laws allow us to freeze the bank accounts of human rights abusers. Get them by the bank balance and their hearts and minds will follow.

The UK, as a permanent member of the United Nations’ Security Council, should be demanding a UN-led investigation into what is happening in the re-education camps and across the Xinjiang region. So far, very few who have gone into the camps have come out again.

The process of their detention is without trial, and without end. Many disappear, never to be seen or heard of again. Organ harvesting has long been rumoured in China, and strenuously denied by the Chinese State. It started with practitioners of Falun Gong. With demand continuously rising, in its voracious need provide new healthy organs, the allegations are now swirling that the practice is now affecting Uyghurs, Christians, Tibetan Buddhists and any other prisoners of conscience who will not be brainwashed.

The idea of forced harvesting sounds simply unbelievable. What human could kill another human for their organs? It is easy to dismiss as ridiculous hyperbole, but it is not ridiculous. The UN special rapporteur on torture has already reported its concern that between 60,000 and 100,000 transplants have taken place, while the number of Chinese on the national donation register is far lower. The rumours now reported go even further, that not only are these organs harvested to satisfy China’s growing demand, but that they are being sold to Iran and Saudi Arabia. The exact reason the Chinese oppress this religious minority, is the exact reason they are so valuable for export – their Islamic beliefs. The soft-power about which our Government continuously boasts only works if we are willing to use it.

There is no clearer case where we should seek to bring that influence to bear, and to lead the international condemnation of this ethnic cleansing. The message from the Government to China has got to be clear. We know what is going on in Xinjiang. We are not willing to sit back and be bystanders.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinio...l-mp-1-4891550
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سيف الله
04-06-2019, 12:22 AM
Salaam

Another update. Good thread.



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سيف الله
04-23-2019, 01:36 PM
Salaam

Another update. Culture and history being erased.

Blurb

After locking up as many as a million people in camps in Xinjiang, Chinese authorities are destroying Uighur neighborhoods and purging the region's culture. They say they’re fighting terrorism. Their aim: to engineer a society loyal to Beijing. Photo illustration: Sharon Shi. Video: Clément Bürge





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سيف الله
06-16-2019, 07:59 AM
Salaam

Another update

Blurb

"The first thing they asked me was to take off my clothes… They put me in the cell with the drug addicts and with the killers and they beat me." Abduweli Ayup, a Uighur, alleges he was raped and tortured while in detention in China for 15 months.

His is one of a growing number of stories recounted by Uighurs fleeing their homeland, as China faces increasing criticism of its treatment of the country's Muslim population. Experts estimate one million people are being held in detention centres in China's Xinjiang region. The government denies the claims. Authorities say "vocational training centres" are preventing "religious extremism", educating Uighurs on the country's language and laws and providing job training.

But more than a dozen Uighurs that 101 East spoke to, who eventually fled to Turkey, speak of being held against their will, beaten, tortured and starved. Even outside the country, Uighur Muslims say their future is far from safe. After vowing greater economic cooperation in 2018, Turkish officials recently pledged to safeguard China's security and not allow any criticism of the country on its soil. Uighurs say the Chinese embassy has stopped renewing their passports.

Without official documents, Uighurs tell Al Jazeera, they struggle to work and live in fear that they will be deported back to China. 101 East follows the Uighurs' quest for a safe place to call home.




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HisServant
06-19-2019, 01:59 AM
Preventing religious freedom by applying terrorizing tactics? -
Inside China's 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News

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سيف الله
06-27-2019, 11:27 PM
Salaam

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In this clip from the 2019 Reboot American Innovation conference, Samo Burja explains why the Chinese government, although totalitarian, is adaptive to changing circumstances and could prove to survive economic hardship and other potential crises.



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سيف الله
07-03-2019, 06:32 PM
Salaam

Another update, If confirmed this is beyond disappointing.

China says President Erdogan recognises that Muslims of Xinjiang are happy

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said that the oppressed Uyghur Muslims of Xinjiang are in fact living happy lives, according to Chinese state media.

China has faced widespread criticism for its ongoing persecution of Uyghur and other Turkic minority Muslim in the north-western Xinjiang region.

The United Nations (UN) has estimated that at least one million Uyghur Muslims have been forcibly detained in “vocational re-education” camps, which Amnesty International has likened to “wartime concentration camps”.

Former Muslim inmates have stated that they were physically and mentally tortured into denouncing Islam and swearing allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party.

Turkey is the only Muslim-majority country that has previously voiced concerns about the situation in Xinjiang, including in February at the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

However, during the meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing yesterday, President Erdogan displayed a more positive note.

According to a Chinese state media, the Turkish president said: “It is a fact that the peoples of China’s Xinjiang region live happily in China’s development and prosperity.

“Turkey does not permit any person to incite disharmony in the Turkey-China relationship. Turkey firmly opposes extremism and is willing to increase mutual political trust with China and strengthen security cooperation.”

The report added that President Xi Jinping told Erdogan that the two countries should take steps to promote joint counter-terrorism operations.

Beijing has particularly welcomed President Erdogan’s comments, stating that he will not allow “any forces to carry out anti-China activities in Turkey and attaches great store on Turkey stressing many times its support of China fighting terrorism.”

Neither the Turkish government nor the President’s office have denied the statements attributed to Mr Erdogan by Chinese media.

China had consistently denied the existence of the camps until last October, and has since claimed it is detaining people guilty of minor crimes, which has supposedly brought stability and minimised violence in Xinjiang.

https://5pillarsuk.com/2019/07/03/ch...ang-are-happy/

Hmmm better than nothing.

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سيف الله
07-06-2019, 09:16 PM
Salaam

Another update



China is deliberately separating Muslim children from their families, faith and language in its far western region of Xinjiang, according to new research.

At the same time as hundreds of thousands of adults are being detained in giant camps, a rapid, large-scale campaign to build boarding schools is under way.

Based on publicly available documents, and backed up by dozens of interviews with family members overseas, the BBC has gathered some of the most comprehensive evidence to date about what is happening to children in the region.

Records show that in one township alone more than 400 children have lost not just one but both parents to some form of internment, either in the camps or in prison.

Formal assessments are carried out to determine whether the children are in need of "centralised care".

Alongside the efforts to transform the identity of Xinjiang's adults, the evidence points to a parallel campaign to systematically remove children from their roots.

China's tight surveillance and control in Xinjiang, where foreign journalists are followed 24 hours a day, make it impossible to gather testimony there. But it can be found in Turkey.

In a large hall in Istanbul, dozens of people queue to tell their stories, many of them clutching photographs of children, all now missing back home in Xinjiang.

"I don't know who is looking after them," one mother says, pointing to a picture of her three young daughters, "there is no contact at all."

Another mother, holding a photo of three sons and a daughter, wipes away her tears. "I heard that they've been taken to an orphanage," she says.

In 60 separate interviews, in wave after wave of anxious, grief-ridden testimony, parents and other relatives give details of the disappearance in Xinjiang of more than 100 children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48825090



Chinese response.



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HisServant
07-13-2019, 04:22 AM
Nearly two dozen countries unite at UN to condemn China’s mass detention of one million Muslims for first time

Ambassadors voice concerns over unlawful detention in ‘large-scale places of detention, as well as widespread surveillance and restrictions’


China has been urged to stop its mass detention of Uighur Muslims by 22 members of the United Nations Human Rights Council in the first such joint move on the issue.
The UN says at least 1 million Uighurs and other Muslims have been detained by China in the western region of Xinjiang.


In an unprecedented letter ambassadors from 22 countries voiced their concerns about reports of unlawful detention in “large-scale places of detention, as well as widespread surveillance and restrictions, particularly targeting Uighurs and other minorities in Xinjiang”.

Britain, France and Germany were among the European nations to join the call, along with Australia, Canada and Japan, but not the United States, which quit the council a year ago.


However, the letter fell short of activists demands for a formal statement to be read out at the council, or a resolution submitted for a vote.
The letter to the forum’s president, dated 8 July, cited China’s obligations as a member of the 47-state forum to maintain the highest standards.


“We call on China to uphold its national laws and international obligations and to respect human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion or belief in Xinjiang and across China,” the letter said.

“We call also on China to refrain from the arbitrary detention and restrictions on freedom of movement of Uighurs, and other Muslim and minority communities in Xinjiang.”

It urged China to allow international independent experts, including Michelle Bachelet, the UN high commissioner for human rights, “meaningful access” to Xinjiang.

Ms Bachelet, a former president of Chile, has lobbied China to grant the UN access to investigate reports of disappearances and arbitrary detentions of Muslims in Xinjiang.

Last month, China’s ambassador to the UN in Geneva said he hoped Ms Bechelet would take up an invitation to visit.

One diplomat told Reuters China’s delegation was “hopping mad” at the move and was preparing its own letter in response.

In a statement, Human Rights Watch welcomed the letter as “important not only for Xinjiang’s population, but for people around the world who depend on the UN’s leading rights body to hold even the most powerful countries to account”.

At the start of the three-week session, which ends on Friday, the vice-governor of Xinjiang responded to international condemnation of the state-run detention camps by saying they were vocational centres which had helped “save” people from extremist influences.

Last week, a study said thousands of Muslim children in the region were being separated from their parents in what it called a “systematic campaign of social re-engineering and cultural genocide”.

independent.co.uk
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سيف الله
07-13-2019, 07:21 PM
Salaam

The cowardice on display breaks new records.







Oh the irony.



Chinas gloating.



The long term ramifications.



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سيف الله
07-18-2019, 09:10 PM
Salaam

Another update.



More comment.





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anatolian
07-18-2019, 09:25 PM
Islam but no Muslims - Muslims but no Islam

Islam but no Muslims - Muslims but no Islam
I live in Norway and see how people are treated. No one ever starvs here. Everyone has rights. Children, old people etc. Transparent government where c...
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سيف الله
07-24-2019, 08:42 PM
Salaam

Another update



Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s ‘happy Xinjiang’ comments ‘mistranslated’ in China

Turkish officials claim Beijing refused to correct the record when error spotted in statement of meeting with Xi Jinping

Ankara has sought to distance itself from Chinese state media reports suggesting that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan supports Beijing’s policies in Xinjiang, according to diplomatic sources.

At a closed-door gathering of diplomats at the Turkish embassy in Beijing last week, Turkish officials said Erdogan’s comments about the troubled region in China’s far west were mistranslated and Beijing refused to correct them.

According to a report by Chinese state news agency Xinhua, Erdogan told Chinese President Xi Jinping during a trip to Beijing on July 2 that people in Xinjiang “live happily”.

“It is a fact that the peoples of China’s Xinjiang region live happily in China’s development and prosperity,” the report paraphrased the Turkish leader as saying.

But Turkish officials at the embassy meeting last week said the comment was mistranslated by the Turkish side and Beijing refused to correct the statement once the error was detected, according to people with knowledge of the meeting.

The officials said the Turkish president should have been quoted as saying that Turkey “hopes the peoples of China’s Xinjiang live happily in peace and prosperity”, according to the sources.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...happy-xinjiang
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anatolian
07-24-2019, 09:15 PM
Salam. I wasnt going to reply until I saw the last paragraph. When Erdoğan makes a mistake his advisors try so hard to clean up the issue and this makes me more angry and laugh at the same time. Really, whats the difference between saying “Xinjans are happy” and “hopes the peoples of China’s Xinjiang live happily in peace and prosperity” although you very well know that they dont? I see no difference really. Erdoğan and AKP do always redicule with the intelligence of people.
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سيف الله
07-28-2019, 08:36 PM
Salaam

Another update.











This is shocking, from Palestine of all places!



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سيف الله
08-03-2019, 07:22 AM
Salaam

Another update. One of many :(



Uighur activists call on Qatar to halt man's deportation to China

Activist tells MEE that Ablikim Yusuf is still at Doha airport and could be deported within the next 24 hours


Uighur activists have called on the Qatari authorities to halt the extradition of a man who said he was about to be deported from Doha to China.

A video posted on Facebook by the man, who identifies himself as Ablikim Yusuf, from inside Doha's airport was widely shared on social media by activists who warned he could face "imprisonment, torture and possibly even death" if he was returned to China.

In Washington, activists gathered outside the Qatari embassy into the early hours of Saturday morning.

Salih Hudayar, one of the protesters and the founder of the US-based East Turkistan National Awakening Movement, told Middle East Eye later on Saturday that Yusuf had not yet been deported, but that he could be within the next 24 hours.

Yusuf had earlier been reported as being booked on a Qatar Airways flight on Saturday morning from Doha to Beijing.

MEE contacted Qatar Airways and Qatar's foreign ministry for comment but had not received a response at the time of publication.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/u...ortation-china
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anatolian
08-03-2019, 10:32 AM
What a wonderful ummah!..
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سيف الله
08-03-2019, 09:10 PM
Salaam

Easy on the cynicism bro, we are in a dark place, leaders have revealed who they serve but everyday Muslims are constantly speaking out, at great cost.

Anas ibn Malik reported:

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time of patience will come to people in which adhering to one’s religion is like grasping a hot coal.”

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2260
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anatolian
08-04-2019, 06:53 AM
Ws..I was refering to the leaders anyway but we are responsible of our leaders less or more. Either we chose them or we let them to do what they do..Now I expect from our fellow Palestinian brothers to speak against that decision of their leaders..
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سيف الله
08-08-2019, 08:51 PM
Salaam

This is sick and twisted.



Example of Chinese propaganda.

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A video which argues that the only reason Uyghur women did not marry Han men in the past was due to culture and language differences, but that this is now no longer a problem since Uyghur women are now fully trained in Han culture and Chinese language.





Parallels with Hindutva propoganda.





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سيف الله
08-09-2019, 05:49 AM
Salaam

Hmmm situation is not entirely bleak.



Doha defies Beijing over Uighurs; others can too

China’s campaign to target Uighurs abroad was dealt a blow this week, as an unlikely ally refused to capitulate to Beijing’s pressure. In an unexpected move on Tuesday, Qatar refused to bow down to requests from China by rejecting the deportation of Ablikim Yusuf, a Uighur man who had fled China.

Yusuf only days ago found himself stranded in Doha’s Hamad International Airport expecting the Qatari authorities to deport him back to China. Yusuf, desperate to avoid being forcibly returned, filmed a video appealing to the international community to help him.

His video stirred outrage online, with activists launching a campaign to stop his deportation to China, where he would undoubtedly face persecution and detention in the country’s internment camps for ethnic and Muslim minorities.

In what can be seen as a rebuke to Beijing, Qatari authorities delayed his deportation, allowing the US government to grant him entry. The US State Department used its intervention in the case to condemn China’s repressive campaign targeting Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in the Xinjiang region and those abroad.

Long arm of Beijing

Chinese authorities in recent years have made it virtually impossible for Muslim minorities to flee, with the government recalling passports for Uighurs throughout the country.

Building on its campaign of repression, China’s targeting of Muslim minority groups has extended beyond Xinjiang, with the authorities using intimidation and pressure to forcibly return minorities back to China.

Media investigations have also revealed that Chinese authorities are harassing Uighurs abroad, threatening their families back home and coercing them to hand over personal information.

Uighurs interviewed by Asia Times say Chinese embassies and consulates abroad have declined to renew their passports, telling them they must return home.

China has also used its economic clout to pressure foreign governments to deport Uighurs back to its territory, where they risk being interned or disappeared upon return.

That may be changing.

Qatar joins a number of countries that have ignored pressure by Chinese authorities to deport Uighurs and other Muslim and ethnic minorities back to China.

Notably Malaysia, which previously forcibly returned groups of Uighurs, recently reversed its position, and under its new leadership has distanced itself from Beijing.

Even Turkey, whose president spoke in support of the Chinese government’s policy on Uighurs during a visit to Beijing in July, has refused to go so far as deporting the persecuted group.

Without overstating the significance of Qatar’s refusal to deport Yusuf, it does show there is political will – even in a country currently facing an economic boycott from some of its wealthiest neighbors – to curb China’s influence. It was only last month that Muslim-majority countries, including Qatar, in a letter publicly supported China’s “counterterrorism” efforts and congratulated the country on its “remarkable achievements in the field of human rights.”

For states in the Middle East driven by economic interests, challenging China in the name of “Muslim solidarity” has not been worth the fight. Dropping the issue so as not to disrupt Chinese trade and investment deals, on the other hand, was worth the dividends.

A new precedent?


Qatar’s recent move not to deport Yusuf back to China, one of its top trading partners, may not exactly herald the Gulf state’s readiness to pick up the “Muslim solidarity” mantle and aggressively condemn the treatment of the Uighurs. It does, however, show a minor shift in approach to asylum seekers. With growing backlash from Arab and Muslim opinion in the Middle East, coupled with international pressure, we may see more Muslim-majority states, even traditional trading partners of China, also ignore Beijing’s pressure and facilitate asylum requests for desperate Uighurs fleeing persecution.

With states like Malaysia and now Qatar refusing to deport persecuted minorities back to China, Beijing’s influence abroad may begin to be curtailed. By not capitulating to its pressure, states can send a stern message to Beijing that its threats abroad can only go so far, a message that would certainly be understood in a state that reveres national sovereignty.

This will not be enough to influence China’s domestic agenda, nor will we see such attempts from countries in the Middle East. It will, however, give other governments and host countries the courage to protect asylum-seeking Muslims minorities fleeing China. And with no foreseeable public condemnation and change in policy from Muslim-majority states on the Uighur issue, not forcibly returning those fleeing China is the least these alleged champions of Muslim rights can do.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/08/op...thers-can-too/

Another reminder.

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CuriousonTruth
08-09-2019, 08:08 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-china-claims

Ofcourse it's safe to assume they are lying through the teeth.
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سيف الله
08-14-2019, 08:50 PM
Salaam

Like to share. Agree or disagree with him he's always willing to speak out.

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Advice of Dr Zakir Naik to the Leaders of the Muslim Countries to Support Uyghur Muslims



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سيف الله
08-20-2019, 08:54 AM
Salaam

Another update





'Nightmare' as Egypt aided China to detain Uighurs

Abdulmalik Abdulaziz, an Uighur student, was arrested and handcuffed by Egyptian police and when they removed his blindfold he was surprised to see Chinese officials questioning him in custody.

He was picked up in broad daylight with friends, and taken to a Cairo police station where Chinese officials grilled him about what he was doing in Egypt.

The three officials spoke to him in Chinese, addressing him using his Chinese name not his Uighur one.

"They never said their names or mentioned who they were exactly," said Abdulaziz, 27, who spoke to AFP helping to uncover new details of the 2017 arrests of over 90 Uighurs from the mostly Muslim Turkic minority.

Abdulaziz, like most swept up in the three-day crackdown in the first week of July 2017, was an Islamic theology student at Al-Azhar, the Sunni Muslim world's most prestigious educational institution.

"Egyptian policemen said 'the Chinese government says that you are terrorists'. But we responded that we are only Al-Azhar students," said Abdulaziz. AFP is using pseudonyms to protect the identities of those Uighurs interviewed.

China is one of Egypt's biggest investors, pouring money into massive infrastructure projects such as the construction of a new administrative capital east of Cairo. Trade between the two countries reached a record high of $13.8 billion last year.

Just three weeks before the raid, Egypt and China signed a security memorandum focusing on "combatting terrorism".

After a few days of questioning in Police Station 2 in Nasr City, an upmarket suburb of Cairo, Abdulaziz was sent to Tora, one of Egypt's most notorious jails.

Released after 60 days in detention, he escaped, seeking asylum in Turkey, a hub of Uighur immigration, in October 2017.

- 'Same tactics' -


Shams Eddin Ahmed, 26, was arrested outside the Moussa Ibn Naseer mosque on 4 July, 2017 in Nasr City.

His father in Xinjiang, a region in northwest China, also disappeared that month.

Many Uighurs refer to Xinjiang as East Turkestan, including those AFP interviewed, but for Beijing it has troubling connotations of independence and activism.

"I still don't know if he's dead or alive," he recounted.

Unmarked black vans pulled up as afternoon prayers ended and around five policemen arrested several Uighur worshippers.

Ahmed was also transferred to Tora, the stifling carceral complex which houses many of Egypt's high-profile political prisoners.

"I felt so afraid when I got there. It was extremely dark... I thought to myself how will we ever get out of here?" he said.

"I was afraid that they would hand us over to the Chinese authorities," added Ahmed.

The Uighurs were split into two groups of 45 to 50 men each and languished in large cells for weeks.

Two weeks before their release, the Uighurs and other Chinese Muslims of different ethnic ancestry, were divided into three groups, and given colour codes.

Red, green or yellow determined if they would be deported, released or further questioned.

Ahmed said Egyptian prison guards handcuffed, blindfolded and then hauled many of the group into vans heading to Cairo police stations.

During 11 days in police custody, he claims three Chinese officials questioned him specifically about his father.

"Where is he and how does he send you money?" he told AFP.

Ahmed was in the green group, meaning he was eventually released. He fled to Istanbul in early October 2017.

Abdulweli Ayup, a Norway-based Uighur linguist who has researched the community in Egypt, confirmed hearing similar accounts from other detainees.

"It's the same practice and tactic implemented in internment camps in China. I don't believe it's a coincidence," he said, adding Chinese authorities use the same three colour codes for detained Uighurs.

- 'Muslim brothers' –

Human rights groups say more than one million Uighurs and other mostly Muslim minorities are held in a network of internment camps in China where they endure political indoctrination.

Beijing says the "vocational education centres" are necessary to counter religious extremism.

Germany-based independent researcher Adrian Zenz, who has mapped out camps in Xinjiang, said: "China's new push to redefine human rights in terms of economic development... suits many of these nations."

"A country giving the Chinese significant leeway can in return expect significant favours," he added, referring to the Egyptian-Chinese security cooperation.

Egypt's interior ministry and the Chinese embassy in Cairo did not respond to AFP's repeated requests for comment.

"Those found to be overstaying contrary to the law, including Chinese citizens among other nationalities, are expelled", said Ahmed Hafez, Egypt's foreign ministry spokesman, when asked about the deportation of Uighurs in 2017. He did not answer AFP's questions on the 60-day detention of the group that had been picked up by police.

Darren Byler, an anthropologist at Washington University, noted "similar attempts by Chinese officials in Thailand and elsewhere" to extradite diaspora Uighurs.

"The autonomy with which Chinese authorities were permitted to act in Egypt is unprecedented," he told AFP.

Ayup, the linguist, explains the devastating effect of the 2017 raids that reduced a thriving community of around 6,000 people to about 50 families.

"For Uighurs it's a nightmare that your Muslim brother would invite Chinese officials to interrogate you. They have lost their belief and have become paranoid in the diaspora," he said.

Abdulaziz considers himself fortunate, but the fate of other Uighurs expelled by Egypt preys on his mind.

"It has been years since we heard anything about those deported and our families. We just don't know."

https://news.yahoo.com/nightmare-egy...024625386.html

More generally.





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سيف الله
08-21-2019, 07:32 PM
Salaam

Title is misleading but good news.



Qatar Withdraws Support for China Over Its Treatment of Muslims


Persian Gulf nation tells UN it wants to remain ‘neutral’

37 countries had signed letter backing China against censure


Qatar withdrew from a letter signed by dozens of countries expressing support for China’s human-rights record despite growing international condemnation over its detention of as many as two million ethnic Muslim Uighurs.

Qatar informed United Nations Human Rights Council President Coly Seck of its decision to withdraw from the July 12 letter, which was signed by mostly majority-Muslim nations, according to a copy of the correspondence seen by Bloomberg. Several calls and e-mails to Qatar’s government communications office and the UN mission weren’t returned.

“Taking into account our focus on compromise and mediation, we believe that co-authorizing the aforementioned letter would compromise our foreign policy key priorities,” Ambassador Ali Al-Mansouri, Qatar’s permanent representative to the UN in Geneva, wrote to Seck on July 18. “In this regard, we wish to maintain a neutral stance and we offer our mediation and facilitation services.” His signature also appeared on the July 12 letter supporting China.

It wasn’t clear what prompted the change of heart. Qatar, the world’s largest exporter of liquefied natural gas, would be loathe to damage ties with China, which was the country’s third-largest trading partner in 2018 with some $13 billion in total commerce, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Qatar’s Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani visited Beijing in January, when President Xi Jinping addressed him as an “old friend and a good friend,” according to reports.

But more than two years into a diplomatic and economic embargo by a four-nation, Saudi-led coalition, Doha has also stressed its desire to build ties with the West, including European nations and the U.S.

Thirty-seven countries, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, signed the letter defending Xi’s government and dismissing its ongoing crackdown on Uighurs in the far western region of Xinjiang.

It was sent after 22 mostly Western nations mounted the first collective global criticism of China’s policy toward Uighurs. They urged Beijing to end the mass detentions and expressed concern over “widespread surveillance and restrictions” on Uighurs in a July 8 statement to another UN body, the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

The re-education camps in Xinjiang, a region home to some 10 million Uighurs, have prompted calls for sanctions against Beijing from U.S. lawmakers, human rights advocates and religious groups. The State Department says as many as two million Uighurs are being held in the camps, a number China contests even though it hasn’t disclosed an official figure.

Xi’s government has defended the crackdown as necessary to combat terrorism and has used Xinjiang as a laboratory for its sophisticated mass surveillance system, from facial recognition technology to security checkpoints at markets.

Qatar has been caught in the crosshairs of the Uighur crackdown before.

Earlier this year, activists worked to stop the deportation of Uighur advocate Ablikim Yusuf from Qatar back to China, allowing him to leave for the U.S. instead. Yusuf had posted a video online from Doha’s international airport asking for help to avoid being sent home, where he would face punishment for his advocacy on behalf of other Uighurs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ent-of-muslims
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سيف الله
08-23-2019, 01:37 PM
Salaam

Compare and contrast the Chinese response to Hong Kong protests and their oppression of the Uighurs.

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In recent months, up to two million people flooded the streets of Hong Kong to protest an extradition bill that would make it legal to transfer residents of Hong Kong to mainland China for trial. Although the issue has been brewing since February when the bill was proposed, the situation reached a tipping point in June and is still ongoing. Still curious, China has refrained from intervening Tiananmen-style. So, what does Beijing want from Hong Kong?

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سيف الله
08-26-2019, 09:02 PM
Salaam

Another update.



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qad
09-08-2019, 09:17 AM
This is a pressing issue that the world needs to focus on. The Chinese government has been destroying the culture of Uyghur Muslims and forcing them out of their faith. Mosques are destroyed on a routine basis, 're-education' camps set up, and even forced sterilizations.
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سيف الله
09-21-2019, 11:26 AM
Salaam

Another update.







Good insight into how China operates.

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"China is an empire pretending to be a country"

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سيف الله
09-25-2019, 12:21 AM
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Like to share.

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Concentration Camps are cool again. There are massive differences in detail and degree, but the fact remains, China, India and the United States are all operating detention camps and it is nauseating.





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سيف الله
10-01-2019, 03:32 PM
Salaam

UNGA has come and gone, but not much said about the Uighurs plight.

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سيف الله
10-05-2019, 02:00 PM
Salaam

Politics is a dirty business but Imran Khans fawning is nauseating.





Meanwhile.

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سيف الله
10-09-2019, 10:00 PM
Salaam

This post help us understand Chinese attitudes to outlying provinces.

a different perspective on Hong Kong

An update on the Hong Kong situation from a mainlander:


I wanted to send this to you last week but the outside internet has been completely inaccessible in China for the past two weeks because of the National Day holiday. They do this every year but it's particularly bad this year.

A few days ago the ENTIRE Hong Kong metro system was closed because the "protesters" went on a rampage in response to a new law making it illegal to wear a mask in public. Every single metro station. Imagine if that had happened in a major American city of ten million people, what the police and the National Guard would do.

Pat Buchanan has an article in which he states, "The people of Hong Kong, who are surely being cheered by many on the mainland of China ..." All respect to Pat Buchanan but he doesn't understand this situation at all.

There is mutual hatred between Hong Kong and mainland people. NO ONE on the mainland is cheering the Hong Kong protesters. They think Hong Kong people are a bunch of spoiled brats who are now wrecking their own city and being used by the West because they think they're better than mainland people. And Hong Kong people, meanwhile, think they ARE better than mainland people because they've had the benefit of a hundred years of imposed quasi-Western civilization and the result is a more well-mannered people and a more orderly society in a higher-quality environment.

But Hong Kong has been going downhill for decades now, due to various reasons that are not reducible to a simple statement, and the mainland has been in the ascendancy. But regardless, if Beijing sends in the troops, (which I don't think they will do because the bad PR outweighs any other benefit; they'll probably just let Hong Kong burn because they don't really need it) I assure you that the vast majority of mainland Chinese will applaud this decision and love their government even more, seeing it as just desserts for a bunch of spoiled traitors, i.e. Chinese who don't want to be Chinese and who collude with the yang guizi (foreign devils).

The global media would of course use any move by Beijing as a way to paint China as the new Nazis. You can see this narrative already developing and being pushed by Bannon and others, as well as the Hong Kong protesters themselves, who are quite obviously trying to provoke a violent response. But for the mainland Chinese, it would only solidify their sense of "us against the world." My fear is that the people who want the next big war are actively pushing in this direction. I hope that Trump and Xi Jinping really are friendly, because they're increasingly looking like Kennedy and Khrushchev.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/10/m...hong-kong.html

a response from Hong Kong

A native of Hong Kong responds to yesterday's email from a mainlander.


I am born and raised in Hong Kong and are currently lived in the city for the past 5 years.

The reason why people oppose the government and react the way they do is simply the lack of trust for the government.

The mainland mailer is correct in a sense the Hong Kong people are spoiled brats because we have been at peace prospering for as long as this generation remembers. And so they are all boomer-like in a sense that they believe in lies that the government tells its people and such.

What Carrie Lam, the chief executive in Hong Kong, did that outraged the people is the obvious show of brute force that essentially served as a wake-up slap to the public. And they, being spoiled by peace, are throwing a fit.

We don’t hate the mainland Chinese people, However their tourists actions are equal that of an illegal immigrant from Mexico to the US. They have no intention of abiding by our cultural rules, I have personally seen two incidents where they openly defecate in the street, even outside the public bathroom!

Due to multiple incidents of fake and poison milk powders, they raid our food supply.The major city centres close to the broader have been turned to a mainland China city-like environment. The obvious cultural erosion has been putting pressure in the bomb for about 10 years now. And now is the result of the explosion.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/10/m...hong-kong.html
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سيف الله
10-11-2019, 09:48 AM
Salaam

Another update.




China ‘building cark parks and playgrounds’ over Uighur Muslim graveyards ‘to eradicate ethnic group’s identity’

Comes as US imposes travel bans on Chinese officials involved in ‘campaign of repression’ of Muslims


China has destroyed scores of traditional burial grounds belonging to Uighur Muslims in the northwestern Xinjiang province, in what critics say is part of a campaign to wipe out the minority group’s cultural identity.

Satellite images analysed by Earthwise Alliance and published on Wednesday showed flattened earth, new car parks or standardised facilities in places that once housed the remains of Uighur families going back generations.

It comes as the allegations against China of persecution towards the Uighur people became a key aspect of the ongoing trade war between the US and Beijing.

Late on Tuesday, the US State Department announced travel bans directed at Chinese officials over the Xinjiang crackdown, saying it would not issue any visas for those known to be involved in what Mike Pompeo called the “campaign of repression”.

And it followed an announcement a day earlier by the US Commerce Department, which blacklisted 28 Chinese companies – mostly tech firms – and government agencies over the Uighur issue.

“The protection of human rights is of fundamental importance, and all countries must respect their human rights obligations and commitments,” Mr Pompeo said. “The United States will continue to review its authorities to respond to these abuses.”

China is believed to have detained more than a million people from mostly Muslim ethnic minorities in Xinjiang since a counterterrorism campaign began in 2017, while those who are free are subjected to heightened levels of scrutiny and surveillance.

But while the UN has raised concerns at the highest level over the fate of the Uighurs, China insists its use of what it calls voluntary “vocational training” centres in the province is a legitimate tactic to prevent the spread of extremism.

The Chinese crackdown goes far beyond detentions, however, with policies including the destruction of mosques and the separation of children from their parents amounting to what some researchers have termed “cultural genocide”.

Salih Hudayar, a Uighur in exile who told the AFP news agency the graveyard where his great-grandparents were buried had been demolished, said the destruction of burial grounds was an attempt “to disconnect us from our history”.

“This is all part of China’s campaign to effectively eradicate any evidence of who we are, to effectively make us like the Han Chinese,” he said.

AFP reporters who visited some of the destroyed burial grounds described seeing unearthed bones, which independent forensic experts said were human remains.

Even the tombs of famous Uighurs were not spared. AFP reported that an enormous graveyard where the prominent Uighur poet Lutpulla Mutellip was buried had been turned into a “Happiness Park” with a man-made lake, fake pandas and a playground for children. Officials said that while the graves had been relocated to a more “standardised” facility, they did not know what had happened to Mutellip’s remains.

China has responded to the US measures over Xinjiang in a tit-for-tat manner, saying on Wednesday that it planned tighter visa restrictions of its own for any US nationals with what it called ties to “anti-China groups”.

The new rules would include drafting a list of US military and CIA-linked institutions and rights groups, and the addition of their employees to a visa blacklist, sources in Beijing told the Reuters news agency.

China has previously accused the US of using such organisations to incite anti-government protests both in mainland China and, most prominently, in Hong Kong, which has seen growing unrest since June.

The measures and counter-measures come amid souring relations between the world’s two largest economies, even as they prepare to reopen trade negotiations in Washington on Thursday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9148996.html

I dont think we should take the US govt concern too seriously, US and China are currently engaged in a trade war. The Uighurs will be ditched if they resolve their differences.
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سيف الله
10-12-2019, 08:25 PM
Salaam

More comment.



even after Stalinist period, Khrushchev made every effort to disseminate atheism (even among some Muslim rulers - he twice tried to *convert* Iraqi dictator Abdul-Salam Arif, who refused both occasions) yet this was the peak of Soviet relations with many Muslim regimes.

Similarly other empires may not persecute their internal minorities the way China does (which should be acknowledged), but have in a different way killed 10s of 1000s of Muslims under barely concealed "crusades". Yet nobody would consider blacklisting them at state level.

Among other things, in this sense the outrage that Mahathir/Erdogan/esp Imran have not mentioned China is fairly hollow, even if it comes from a good place (I would say the same of scumbag monarchs who rub shoulders with Modi before anybody brings up the "Paki propaganda" angle)

Nobody managed to rescue every Muslims inna world or fight off every anti-Muslim oppressor at once - that too with words. So while it's sad that XYZ ruler mentions one tyrant & not another, I'd argue not nearly as "hypocritical" as ppl claim THOUGH society SHOULD pressure them

It IS completely deplorable and scummy that Muslims, including ppl in regimes, actually SUPPORT, diplomatically or otherwise, anti-Muslim activity by any government. That includes China and others, incl its rivals. letter praising Beijing deserves every criticism it gets & more

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...555460096.html
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Serinity
10-12-2019, 09:11 PM
China is basically Nazi Germany. And those who hand over any ughuirs to China is like those who helped Nazi Germany.

China needs to collapse.
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سيف الله
10-26-2019, 06:02 PM
Salaam

Another update.



Malaysia bans comic book for being pro-China and 'promoting communism'

Issues of a comic book about China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) have been seized in Malaysia after the government said it "promotes communism and socialism and its content could cause confusion."

The comic, written by Malaysian author and politician Hew Kuan Yau, seeks to "spread false, misleading facts about communists while trying to generate support and sympathy for the communist struggle," the Home Ministry said in a statement.

It added that the comic -- titled "Belt and Road Initiative for Win-Winism" -- could sow dissent among communities in multi-racial and multi-religious Malaysia, saying its content might jeopardize public order and security. One drawing shows a veiled woman standing in front of a detention camp with a caption suggesting that Malays who support China's Muslim Uyghurs are radicals.

The comic was banned under the Printing Presses and Publication Act, meaning that anyone found guilty of printing, importing, producing, publishing, selling or distributing it faces up to three years in prison and a fine of up to 20,000 Malaysian ringgit ($4,775).

On Monday, Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad weighed in, saying: "I believe that China will have a great influence over the whole world in the future but, for the moment, it is not for us to promote Chinese ideas and ideology."

Mahathir, who has criticized the administration of disgraced former leader Najib Razak for being too close to China, said that "as much as we do not want the influence of the West in our strategies, in our schools, we also do not want other countries to have undue influence over our young people."

After coming to power in May, Mahathir cancelled several projects linked to China's Belt and Road initiative, Beijing's sprawling trade and infrastructure megaproject, citing excessive costs.

Not approved

On October 17, Malaysia's Education Ministry stressed in a statement that it had not given approval for the comic's distribution, according to the state-run Bernama news agency. All state education departments and district education offices have been instructed to ensure that schools no longer accept or distribute the comic, it added.

Further controversy was stirred after a picture emerged showing Chinese President Xi Jinping holding the comic -- with Mahathir looking on -- during the Belt and Road Summit and Forum in Beijing in April.

"The book was not an official gift during the meeting and it (the comic) was brought in without going through proper procedures and channels," the Prime Minister's Office said in a statement last week.

Following the ban on Wednesday, the Home Ministry started seizing the remaining issues still in circulation. It confiscated 13 copies from the Asia Comic Cultural Museum in Georgetown, according to Bernama.

'Not anti-China'

Hew is a former member of the Democratic Action Party, which belongs to the ruling Pakatan Harapan coalition. He was forced to quit the party in 2016 after writing a Facebook post in support of China's claims in the South China Sea, despite Kuala Lumpur being a claimant in the dispute.

On Thursday, he resigned from his position as CEO of the Malaysia-Chinese Business Council to ensure its "smooth operation," according to a statement he posted on Facebook.

"I have spent half my life fighting for the betterment of Malaysia," he said. "Fortunately, the new Malaysia has an independent judiciary and an increasingly clean political culture. However, as for ethnic equality and social freedom, I believe these are far from ideal."

Previous Malaysian governments often relied on the country's draconian speech laws to go after critics,
The comic was distributed in some of the country's high schools last week, quickly going viral and sparking a debate about its content.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/25/a...mpression=true
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سيف الله
11-02-2019, 11:34 PM
Salaam

:o



Male Chinese ‘Relatives’ Assigned to Uyghur Homes Co-sleep With Female ‘Hosts’

Male Han Chinese “relatives” assigned to monitor the homes of Uyghur families in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) regularly sleep in the same beds as the wives of men detained in the region’s internment camps, according to sources who have overseen the forced stayovers.

Since late 2017, Muslim—and particularly Uyghur—families in the XUAR have been required to invite officials into their homes and provide them with information about their lives and political views, while hosts are also subjected to political indoctrination.

The “Pair Up and Become Family” program is one of several repressive policies targeting Uyghurs in the region, which have also seen the build out of a vast network of camps, where authorities have held up to 1.5 million Uyghurs and other Muslim ethnic minorities accused of harboring “strong religious views” and “politically incorrect” ideas since April 2017.

RFA’s Uyghur Service recently spoke about the program with a ruling Communist Party cadre in Kashgar (in Chinese, Kashi) prefecture’s Yengisar (Yingjisha) county, who said that 70 to 80 families in the township he oversees have Chinese, mostly male, “relatives” that stay for up to six days at each household—many of which have male family members in detention.

“The ‘relatives’ come to visit us here every two months … they stay with their paired relatives day and night,” he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“They help [the families] with their ideology, bringing new ideas. They talk to them about life, during which time they develop feelings for one another.”

In addition to working and eating together, over the course of the week that they spend with their Uyghur hosts the officials even sleep in the same bed as family members, the cadre said, particularly during the winter.

“Normally one or two people sleep in one bed, and if the weather is cold, three people sleep together,” he said.

When asked whether any families have spoken out against male officials staying at their homes, particularly in situations where no male family members are present because they have been detained in camps, the cadre said that on the contrary, “they are very keen, and offer them whatever they have.”

“We also try to help them to make proper [sleeping] arrangements,” he said.

Reports suggest that Uyghurs who protest hosting “relatives” as part of the Pair Up and Become Family program, or refuse to take part in study sessions or other activities with the officials in their homes, are subject to additional restrictions or could face detention in the camp system.

According to the cadre, if a household does not have a bed, family members and “relatives” all sleep on the same sleeping platform, with a small amount of space between one another.

“If the width of the room is three meters (10 feet), the platform tends to be approximately two and half meters (eight feet),” he said.

“If everyone can fit, they all sleep there.”

The cadre said he had “never heard” of any situations in which male officials had attempted to take advantage of female members of the households they stayed in, and suggested “it is now considered normal for females to sleep on the same platform with their paired male ‘relatives.’”

The head of a local neighborhood committee in Yengisar county, who also declined to be named, confirmed that male officials regularly sleep in the same beds or sleeping platforms with female members of Uyghur households during their home stays.

“Yes, they all sleep on the same platform,” the committee chief said, adding that it is considered acceptable for “relatives” and hosts to keep a distance of one meter (three feet) between them at night.

No women have complained about the situation of co-sleeping, he said, and local officials have promoted the practice as a means by which to “promote ethnic unity.”

‘Forced assimilation’

According to New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), in December 2017, authorities greatly expanded the October 2016 Pair Up and Become Family drive—which saw more than 100,000 officials visit mostly Uyghur homes in southern XUAR every two months—to mobilize more than a million cadres to spend a week living in homes, primarily in rural areas.

The “home stay” program was extended in early 2018 and cadres now spend at least five days every two months in the families’ homes, HRW said, adding that “there is no evidence to suggest that families can refuse such visits.”

Activities that take place during visits are documented in reports with accompanying photos—many of which can be found on the social media accounts of participating agencies—and show scenes of “relatives” involved in intimate aspects of domestic life, such as making beds and sleeping together, sharing meals, and feeding and tutoring children. There is no indication the families have consented to posting these images online.

HRW has called the home stays an example of “deeply invasive forced assimilation practices” and said they “not only violate basic rights, but are also likely to foster and deepen resentment in the region.”

Dolkun Isa, the president of the Munich-based World Uyghur Congress exile group, has said the “Pair Up and Become Family” campaign represents the “total annihilation of the safety, security and well-being of family members,” and that the program has “turned Uyghurs’ homes into prisons from which there is no escape.”

In July RFA spoke with a township and a village secretary in Hotan (Hetian) prefecture who both said that when “relatives” stay with their families to teach them the Chinese language and extol the virtues of Beijing’s policies in the region—often for around one week—they bring alcohol and meat that includes pork, and expect family members to consume them, against the principles of “halal” that govern what Muslims can eat and drink.

“We are not so insane as to tell them that we are Muslim, so we cannot eat the things they eat,” the secretary said at the time.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyg...019160528.html
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سيف الله
11-06-2019, 12:56 AM
Salaam

Another update. Beyond appalling.





Edit - Good discussion.

Blurb

Muslim Uighur women who's husbands are in prison are forced to share their beds with Chinese government appointed "relatives" (whom they are not related to) and are obliged to make sure that they are shown a good time so as to avoid being sent to a concentration camp. Rukiye Turdush, writer/activist, describes how vulnerable these women are as the world watches.

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سيف الله
11-11-2019, 02:43 AM
Salaam

Good question.



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m.zakria
11-11-2019, 12:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
Saturday 3 June 2017

Children under 16 told ‘overly religious’ names such as Saddam, Hajj and Jihad must be changed amid pro-Communist rallies across Xinjiang region

Muslim children in China’s far western Xinjiang region are being forced to change their “religious” names and adults are being coerced into attending rallies showing devotion to the officially atheist Communist party.

During Ramadan, the authorities in Xinjiang have ordered all children under 16 to change names where police have determined they are “overly religious”. As many as 15 names have been banned, including Islam, Quran, Mecca, Jihad, Imam, Saddam, Hajj, Medina and Arafat, according to Radio Free Asia.

In April authorities banned certain names for newborns that were deemed to have religious connotations, but the new order expands forced name changes to anyone under 16, the age at which Chinese citizens are issued a national identity card.

The order coincided with millions gathering at 50,000 individual rallies across Xinjiang this week to pledge allegiance to the Communist party. More than a quarter of the region’s population sang the national anthem at 9am on 29 May and pledged allegiance to the Communist party, according to state media reports.

Xinjiang’s Muslims mostly belonging to the Uighur ethnic group, a Turkic people. The region has occasionally seen sporadic violence which China blames on international terrorist groups. But overseas observers say the vast majority of incidents are a result of local grievances.

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-western-china
May Allah help those boys and also may Allah show the right path to china Government....
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سيف الله
11-24-2019, 11:07 PM
Salaam

Another update.

'Allow no escapes': leak exposes reality of China's vast prison camp network

The internal workings of a vast chain of Chinese internment camps used to detain at least a million people from the nation’s Muslim minorities are laid out in leaked Communist Party documents published on Sunday.

The China Cables, a cache of classified government papers, appear to provide the first official glimpse into the structure, daily life and ideological framework behind centres in north-western Xinjiang region that have provoked international condemnation.

Obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian, the BBC and 15 other media partners, the documents have been independently assessed by experts who have concluded they are authentic. China said they had been “fabricated”.

However, the documents are consistent with mounting evidence that the country runs detention camps that are secret, involuntary and used for ideological “education transformation”.

When reports surfaced of mass internments without trial, authorities in Beijing initially denied the existence of the detention centres, whose inmates are mostly Uighurs and other ethnic minorities.

After satellite photos and a flood of testimony from former detainees and relatives became impossible to ignore, the party insisted they were for voluntary “vocational training”.

The cables provide apparent confirmation from within China’s bureaucracy that the camps were envisaged from the start as brainwashing detention centres, to be constructed on a massive scale, with inmates confined by multiple layers of security.

The cache includes a 2017 order, or “telegram”, detailing how the camps in Xinjiang should be built and run.

Signed in the name of Zhu Hailun, the top security official and deputy Communist party chief in Xinjiang, it sets out how the centres were designed to expose detainees to a period of enforced indoctrination.

The document states:

• Camps must adhere to a strict system of total physical and mental control, with multiple layers of locks on dormitories, corridors, floors and buildings. Fences should be put around each building, and walls around the compound. A dedicated police station must be at the front gate, all monitored by security guards in watchtowers.

• Inmates could be held indefinitely – but must serve at least a year in the camps before they can even be considered for “completion”, or release.

• The camps are to be run on a points system. Inmates earn credits for “ideological transformation”, “compliance with discipline” and “study and training”.

• Even after completing their “education transformation” inmates are not allowed to go free. They move into another tier of camps, where they face a further three- to six-months’ internment for “labour skills training”.

• Weekly phone calls and a monthly video call with relatives are their only contact with the outside world, and they can be suspended as punishment.

• “Preventing escape” is a top priority. The order demands round-the-clock video surveillance “with no blind spots” to monitor every moment of an inmates’ day. Control of every aspect of their lives is so comprehensive that they have to be assigned a specific place not only in dormitories and classrooms, but even in the lunchtime queue.

There have been multiple accounts by people who passed through camps of torture, rape and abuse. In an apparent sign of concern about the consequences of mistreatment, Zhu’s order instructs staff to “never allow abnormal deaths”.

Many details match accounts given by former camp inmates. They also provide striking new insights – among them the minimum 12-month term of confinement, and the fact that there are two tiers of camps.

The first seems focused on ideology and Mandarin-language skills; those approved to leave face another three to six months of “labour skills training” in a second detention centre.

There have been multiple credible reports of forced labour in Xinjiang, as part of the government camp system. Some of those who “complete” the re-education systems might be forced to work in these second tier of camps.

The order also suggests former detainees remain under surveillance even after release, with local security and judicial officials told that “students should not leave the line of sight for one year”.

Chinese authorities deny they run detention centres and say the “vocational education and training centres” are part of a focused crackdown on extremism and terrorism.

In 2009, nearly 200 people, most of them Han Chinese, died during riots in the regional capital, Urumqi. Dozens more were then killed and hundreds injured in a series of terror attacks in cities across Xinjiang and beyond. Uighurs have also fought with extremist militant groups abroad, including joining Isis in Iraq.
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The document makes clear that as the internment camps went up, authorities were already worried about the scale of their incarceration programme becoming known, even inside Chinese official hierarchies.

The document demands “strict secrecy”, and in addition to a predictable ban on videos and cameras, staff are also ordered not to aggregate important data, preventing even those inside the system from understanding its full extent.

“The work policy of the vocational skills education and training centres are strong and highly sensitive,” the order says. “It is necessary to strengthen the staff’s awareness of staying secret, serious political discipline and secrecy discipline.”

In addition to the order about the camps, the cache includes four “bulletins” that offer a rare insight into the scale of the crackdown and the digital dragnet that powers it.

The bulletins were sent out to update officials and guide their use of the Integrated Joint Operations Platform (IJOP), the heart of the surveillance system.

They say that in one single week in June 2017, the system flagged up more than 24,000 “suspicious persons” in the four southern districts of Xinjiang alone. Two-thirds of them were detained, with more than 15,600 sent into the re-education camps and 706 sent to jail.

A further 2,096 people were put under surveillance and 5,508 were “temporarily unable to be detained” – suggesting they were destined for camps in future.
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One of the bulletins discusses screening 1.9 million Xinjiang users of a file-sharing app. More than 40,000 of the people who used it were considered suspicious or had been labelled potentially “harmful”.

A separate document is a Uighur-language transcript of a trial, not classified but extremely unusual in a region where secrecy means court documents are rarely publicly available.

Together they provide insights into the construction and operation of a comprehensive government campaign that has led to the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority since the second world war, targeting the Uighur minority, along with other mostly Muslim ethnic groups.

Chinese authorities have split up families, targeted the Uighur language and culture for suppression, razed cultural and historic sites and criticised even mild expression of Muslim identity, micromanaging everything from beard length to babies’ names.

Critics say the campaign apparently aims to obliterate Uighur heritage, society and cultural and religious identity.

“The purpose [of the camp network] was to try to indoctrinate and change an entire population by channeling them through this dedicated system,” said Adrian Zenz, a leading researcher into the Xinjiang internment camps, who is senior fellow in China studies at the victims of communism foundation.

Zenz, who has reviewed the documents, described them as “a very important confirmation” of the nature of the system. “[The Chinese government] has been dishonest about the fact that these people are not voluntarily there, they’re forced to be there,” he added.

The order about the camps, and the security bulletins, are classified “secret”, the middle of China’s three levels of classification. Experts verified their language, formatting and contents.

“Chinese classified documents have a very particular structure. And these documents adhere 100% to all of the classified document templates that I’ve ever seen,” said James Mulvenon, an expert in the verification of Chinese government documents who serves as the director of intelligence integration at SOS International.

“From my professional expertise, these documents are very authentic,” he said, adding that their labelling as ji mi, or secret, meant this was more than routine government secrecy. “These are serious classified documents.”

China’s embassy in London said in a statement “the so called leaked documents are pure fabrication and fake news”, and added: “There are no such documents or orders for the so-called ‘detention camps’. Vocational education and training centres have been established for the prevention of terrorism.”

It also said that “trainees could go home regularly”, including to care for children, and that “religious freedom is fully respected in Xinjiang”. The full statement can be found here.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ur-prison-camp



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'Abdullah
12-16-2019, 11:25 PM
Can you add your signature? ✍️
http://chng.it/xHkmfMwW
This is a petition to UN to protect the Uighur and other muslims in China.
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سيف الله
12-17-2019, 02:38 AM
Salaam

Another update.

Arsenal’s Mesut Özil slams Muslim world’s silence over China’s oppression of Muslims

Arsenal FC’s star midfielder Mesut Özil posted a passionate message on Twitter criticising the Muslim world’s silence over China’s persecution of Muslims in East Turkestan.

Özil, who is a German-born Muslim of Turkish descent, posted the following message on his official Twitter account, which was translated into English by IlmFeed:

“O East Turkestan!

“The bleeding wound of the Ummah. The community if fighter who resist persecution. The glorious believers who are fighting alone against those who try to forcibly take them away from Islam. Qurans are burned, mosques are closed, madrassas are banned, religious scholars are killed one by one.

“The brothers are forced into the camps. Chinese men are settled in their families instead of them. The sisters are forced to marry Chinese men.

“Despite all this, the Ummah of Prophet Muhammad is silent. Muslims are not supported. Don’t they know that consenting to persecution is persecution? How nicely Hadhrat Ali said: “If you cannot prevent persecution, make it known publicly!”

“While these events have been on the agenda even in the Western media and states for some months and weeks, where are the Muslims countries and media?

“Don’t they know that staying neutral when persecution is carried out is despicable? Don’t they know that what our brothers and sisters will remember about these sad/tough days years later is not the torture of the tyrants, but the silence us, their Muslim brothers?

“O Allah, help our brothers and sisters in East Turkestan.“Undoubtedly Allah is the best of planners.“

Arsenal have since distanced themselves from Ozil’s statement. The English Premier League football club posted a statement on the Chinese social media site Weibo.

“Regarding the comments made by Mesut Özil on social media, Arsenal must make a clear statement,” it read. “The content published is Özil’s personal opinion. As a football club, Arsenal has always adhered to the principle of not involving itself in politics.”

Chinese broadcasters did not air Arsenal’s match against Manchester City on Sunday.

Situation of Uyghur and Turkic Muslims in East Turkestan

The United Nations (UN) has estimated that at least one million Uyghur Muslims have been forcibly detained in detention centres, which Amnesty International has compared to “wartime concentration camps”.

Former inmates have stated that they were physically and mentally tortured into denouncing Islam and swearing allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party.

China had consistently denied the existence of the camps until last October, and has since claimed it is detaining people guilty of minor crimes in “vocational education centres”.

The Chinese government has received widespread criticism from western states over its treatment of Uyghur Muslims.

But Muslim leaders are yet to criticise China, which has in recent years become an important trading partner with many Muslim majority countries.

https://5pillarsuk.com/2019/12/14/ar...on-of-muslims/

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#MesutOzil did an act of valour, rather than receiving praise and encouragement this happened from #china and #arsenal



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ahmedc123
12-17-2019, 11:03 PM
Salaam, the bbc tv 'reported' it, but they interviewed a sports economist who confirmed £0.5billion could be lost if china decided not to renew the contracts. So instead of showing chinas state terrorism, or showing smuggled videos, interviewing Uygher mothers, etc the mouthpiece of the capitalist ruling elite, the bbc, used the TV media to mention loss of their proph£t, instead of the loss the uygher people are suffering. 'Muslim states' are no different, because they too are enslved to the kufr system.
This shows you brothers & sisters, why our rulers will never account the chinese, the hindus, or the jews. They were setup by the kuffar for the kuffar benefit, it is a protection racket, our rulers sell out our resources for their own benefit, whilst the ummah remain exploited. So you think the UN, which is controlled by the 6 powers, that they would help the Ummah ?
why ? did they help Kashmir ? whatabout Palestine ? they will never help. But they did invade Iraq, will invade Iran, will divide sudan, will divide east timor... We the Ummah dont have rulers that act for Islam or for our people, they act for foreigners
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taha_
12-18-2019, 06:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman
Can you add your signature? ✍️
http://chng.it/xHkmfMwW
This is a petition to UN to protect the Uighur and other muslims in China.
Assalam o alaikum rahamutullahi wa barakuthu.

UN is kafir organization. they doesn't care about Muslims that much. and are too slow. Only Allah can help us. He just solves in mysterious way


JazakAllah khair
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Delphi
12-18-2019, 05:27 PM
That which is going on in Xanjiang is deeply, deeply morally wrong, and is a genocide as defined by the UN and international law.
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Abu-Abdullah
12-22-2019, 10:34 AM
If militarily weak country like Myanmar can genocide up the Rogingya Muslims with impunity then what chance has the world got to stop a powerful nuclear nation like China wipe out Uighurs?

We need Mahdi (as) quick!
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سيف الله
01-03-2020, 04:47 PM
Salaam

Another update, no ulterior motives in actions here right?

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سيف الله
02-07-2020, 11:37 AM
Salaam

Another update.

WHY DON’T WE CARE ABOUT CHINA’S UIGHUR MUSLIMS?

IT’S BEEN DESCRIBED as the worst human rights crisis in the world — the arbitrary detention in sprawling camps of a million or more Uighur Muslims in China’s northwestern Xinjiang province. The Chinese government has claimed that the camps are merely vocational training centers, but in November a trove of leaked documents, dubbed the China Cables, confirmed what the world had long suspected: the camps are Communist Party re-education centers in which Uighurs are forced to abandon their traditional religion and language. Nury Turkel is a U.S.-based attorney and Uighur rights advocate and he joins Mehdi Hasan to discuss the situation in Xinjiang — and why so much of the world doesn’t seem to care about it.

[Music interlude.]

MH: When was the last time you spoke to a family member?

Nury Turkel: Last summer.

MH: Summer 2018?

NT: Yes.

MH: You haven’t spoken to a family member in China for nearly 18 months?

NT: I have aging parents. I cannot call them.

MH: I’m Mehdi Hasan. Welcome to a special end-of-the-year episode of Deconstructed, a bonus if you will, in which we’ll examine, discuss, cast a light on, what’s become perhaps the biggest human rights crisis in the world this year – even though it still, in my view, doesn’t get enough attention globally, including here in the West.

NT: As a lawyer, as an advocate, as a Uighur, I believe that my people are going through a modern day cultural genocide.

MH: That’s my guest today, Nury Turkel, a prominent Uighur-American lawyer and human rights campaigner. Nury says China is carrying out a “cultural genocide” against his people So, why isn’t the world, why aren’t we, doing more to stop it?

Rest of interview here.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/29/...ighur-muslims/
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taha_
02-07-2020, 12:34 PM
Assalam o alaikum rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Chinese over the nation may have been suffering from convoravirus which is now more trending on news but our Uighurs brothers and sisters suffered more than that.

May Allah grant them justice, sabr and strength.


JazakAllah khair
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سيف الله
03-13-2020, 03:24 PM
Salaam

Like to share.

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سيف الله
03-22-2020, 09:53 AM
Salaam

With 'brothers' like this who needs enemies?



A response.

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سيف الله
04-29-2020, 02:14 PM
Salaam

Another update, imsad

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IslamLife00
04-29-2020, 06:40 PM
They have oppressed the Uyghur muslims for a long time, they did many things over the years.
I posted some links on this thread : Covid-19 Corona Virus and Islam
and that's not even all of it

Maybe Covid 19 is punishment to Communist China govt, maybe not - but attempt to change the Qur'an is only going to make it worse for them.
InshaAllah all oppressors are going to meet what Allah has promised them to suffer.
A lot of countries including China suffer in this pandemic, but China govt is also being sued by other countries.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/24/laws...-pandemic.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...-bill/12164106eport/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2202834...amages-report/
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anatolian
04-29-2020, 09:22 PM
I think that must have its own name, “religious genocide”. China is commiting religious genocide on Uygurs.
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SintoDinto
05-29-2020, 04:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by IslamLife00
They have oppressed the Uyghur muslims for a long time, they did many things over the years.
I posted some links on this thread : Covid-19 Corona Virus and Islam
and that's not even all of it

Maybe Covid 19 is punishment to Communist China govt, maybe not - but attempt to change the Qur'an is only going to make it worse for them.
InshaAllah all oppressors are going to meet what Allah has promised them to suffer.
A lot of countries including China suffer in this pandemic, but China govt is also being sued by other countries.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/24/laws...-pandemic.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...-bill/12164106eport/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2202834...amages-report/
yes they're suing china because china didn't notify them of the epidemic for months and covered it up to make it look like they had it under control, even jailing a local doctor who spoke out, who they say died of coronavirus in his cell.
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SintoDinto
05-29-2020, 04:12 AM
or it could have been house arrest
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سيف الله
05-31-2020, 05:52 AM
Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian
I think that must have its own name, “religious genocide”. China is commiting religious genocide on Uygurs.
Dont think we should expect anything less from these Godless communists, given their record and Pakistan (among many other Muslims states) wants to be 'friends' with them.

Another update.





A Response To Habib Ali Al-Jifri’s Comments On Uyghurs

Toqa Badran and Aydin Anwar respond to the statements made by Shaykh Habib Ali Al-Jifri


We acknowledge that those individuals who have devoted their lives to the spiritual empowerment of others are to be admired and respected. The Ulema often serve as beacons of guidance and sources of emulation for the Ummah with their scholarly and moral leadership.

Their critical role means that they are also expected to speak and act according to a higher standard of truthfulness and ethics. Bearing this in mind makes it especially dismaying and hurtful to witness inaccurate comments from a famous preacher and scholar who should be a part of this heritage of high intellectual rigour and superior moral conduct. It is even more problematic that these erroneous statements pertain to a group of fellow Muslims presently experiencing almost unprecedented duress to criminalize and eradicate their religion and cultural identity.

It is unfortunate that Habib Ali al-Jifri, a popular scholar in the Arab world, in a recent lecture has misused his platform by propagating information that is all at once incorrect, biased, and otherwise detrimental to the lives of an entire Muslim nation colonized and oppressed by China.

Although he tepidly acknowledges that China has done wrong to Uyghurs and is not fully innocent, a number of his claims remain inaccurate and deserve to be corrected. This article attempts to walk through some of these inaccuracies, and correct such claims that ultimately work to delegitimize and downplay the deplorable reality of Uyghurs and other Turkic-Muslim peoples, such as Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, of East Turkistan (renamed and referred to as Xinjiang, meaning new territory in Mandarin, by the Chinese occupation).

#1: Shaykh Ali al-Jifri claims that only around half of Uyghurs are Muslim

The first glaring error made by the shaykh is his statement that only around half of the Uyghur population is Muslim. His error may have been a result of confusing the presently reported demographic makeup of East Turkistan with the religious composition of the Uyghur people.

While the Uyghur and indigenous inhabitants of the region are overwhelmingly Muslim, the Han Chinese population has climbed drastically from only 6% in 1949 to an estimated 40% – due largely to incentivized migration and other – settler colonial programs embarked upon by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). This statistic itself may be unreliable as many undocumented Uyghurs are unaccounted for and, in recent years, scores of Uyghur prisoners and forced laborers have been forcibly transferred to mainland China.

If, however, al-Jifri meant to propogate the notion that only half of Uyghurs are Muslim, this is another matter altogether. To deny the self-professed Islamic faith of the utter majority of Uyghur people is to commit one of atrocities perpetrated by the CCP itself — the denial and erasure of this long persecuted population’s faith. As for the rootedness of Islam among this people, it has been the predominant religion among Uyghurs in East Turkistan– long before Egypt, or even the Levant, became majority Muslim societies during the Mamluk era. Much of the Islamicization of Central Asia and the Turkic world has been credited to the Karakhanids – a group of Turkic tribes who lived in the Uyghur homeland and converted to Islam in the 10th century (4th century Hijri), after their ruler Sultan Abdulkerim Bughra Khan entered the faith (Svat Soucek. A History of Inner Asia. Cambridge University Press. 2002, pp 84).

Uyghurs were also historically part of the Chagatay Turkic Khanate, whence the rulers of the Mughal Dynasty — who ruled much of India for over two centuries — hailed. Tasawwuf-inflected preaching was a key driver in conversions among these Turkic tribes in ways reminiscent of Islam’s spread at the hands of itinerant Hadhrami Sufi scholars and merchants — from whom Habib Ali hails — across the Indian Ocean littoral and Nusantara (Malay world).

Starting with the aforementioned Karakhanids in the 10th century, Islamic institutions were founded and devoted to the study of theology, natural science, arts, music, and more. These institutions allowed for the emergence of hundreds of prominent Turkic scholars, who helped shape and record Islamic, Turkic, and specifically Uyghur history through their works: The likes of Mahmud Kashgari’s Dīwān Lughāt al-Turk, the first comprehensive dictionary of Turkic languages.

Yusuf Khās Hājib’s Kutadgu Bilig, a mirror-for-princes in prose from the 11th century that shed light on Turkish-Islamic history and culture, and is perhaps one of the earliest surviving Turkic works in the genre of akhlāq (Islamic morality and ethics). The Turks of the region have also been greatly impacted by the Yasawī sufi order which helped make communal dhikr gatherings part and parcel of Uyghur culture. The influence of sufism is also evident in the prevalence of Sufi shrines — most of which have since been systematically destroyed or left abandoned after being blocked off with barbed wire by the CCP.

The survival of old Quranic manuscripts from the area, as well as manuscripts from the 19th and 20th century, testify to the centrality of the Islamic intellectual tradition and its preservation within Uyghur culture. Thousands of beautiful mosques were constructed throughout the region, many of which have been demolished in recent years by the CCP regime.

Had they not been places of great significance and visitation, it begs the question as to why the Chinese government would bother razing them. Kashgar, the historic capital of the Karakhanid Empire and “jewel” of the Silk Road, became a prominent center of learning and hub showcasing the rich Uyghur past. Yarkend had also been a particular center of Islamic learning and culture for centuries, with dozens of madrasahs present in the last decades of the nineteenth century. It even holds Queen Amanisa Khan’s shrine, where the 12 Muqam (classical Sufi dance and song performance pieces that are a central Uyghur heritage form) were established.

It is now clear that not only have the vast majority of Uyghurs been Muslim since the 11th century at least, but that the history of East Turkistan cannot be separated from that of the greater Muslim world. Like most Turkic Muslims, Uyghurs have traditionally belonged to Ahl as-Sunnah (the mainstream and overwhelming majority of Muslims), the legal school of Hanafism, and have immense love for the noble Ahl al-Bayt (family and descendants of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ). Uyghurs had even established a maqam (shrine) dedicated to the 8th century scholar and descendant of the Prophet ﷺ, Imam Jafar al-Sadiq – through whom Habib Ali traces his lineage back to the Prophet ﷺ – near the town of Khotan in East Turkistan, which was destroyed by the CCP.

If segments of Uyghur society are not practicing Muslims today, it is mostly due to the Communist repression since WWII, just as Soviet anti-religious repression led to the radical decrease in religious literacy and practice in neighbouring Turkic republics. Nonetheless, it is noteworthy and heartening to see that some of the Central Asian republics are currently experiencing a gradual revival of Islamic observance thanks to the demise of oppressive policies, hinting at how the Uyghur religious life could flourish if and when repressive policies in East Turkistan cease.

The systematic aggression with which the Chinese government has sought to stamp out the works produced by Uyghur scholars and the many ancient Muslim cities scattered across East Turkistan is evidence of their historical importance. From banning the publication of texts in the Uyghur language, closing all religious spaces, and transforming historic sites into propaganda centers for the dissemination of a sanitized, non-religious, and state-sponsored Uyghur identity, it is clear that the CCP feels not only threatened by Uyghur culture, but is aware of its power in maintaining a social fabric worthy of any independent nation.

And with all of the aforementioned said, we pose the question: Even if the majority of Uyghurs were not Muslim as the shaykh incorrectly claimed, does this excuse Muslims elsewhere of their duty to stand against oppression? Over the course of his commentary on the plight of the Uyghur people, the shaykh himself asked the audience why we [Muslims] are only angry when China oppresses Uyghurs and not the Buddhist Tibetans. Not only does this question contradict his initial premise that the Uyghur community cannot be referred to as overwhelmingly Muslim, but also deeply confuses the listener: “Are we to fight against oppression, regardless of the religion of the oppressed, or not?”

We would argue that it is not only an obligation for Muslims, but for all people to resist their own oppression and the oppression of others — especially if this oppression manifests as the criminalization of the most fundamental practices of a people’s faith, Islam in this case. The East Turkistani independence movement itself has always allied itself with those of the Tibetan, Palestinian, and Kashmiri people.

It has been incorrectly posited by the shaykh that Uyghurs have only been oppressed for the last 3-5 years. While this is demonstrably false, through the decades-long occupation Uyghurs have faced, what is worse is that he makes this claim in order to draw a false equivalence (between East Turkistan and the Tibetan people) in the hopes of delegitimizing the plight and cause of those in East Turkistan.

Worse still, is that when the shaykh is confronted with the truth of the 70+ long years of Chinese colonization of Uyghur lands, he contests its factuality by responding that if China were really so bad then we would see the individual politicians responsible for the colonization personally affected by the Chinese Coronavirus. We question the legitimacy of this apparently necessary correlation and will do so again later in this paper. Furthermore, now that we know that the Uyghur identity is as much an Islamic one as his own Arab identity and that Chinese oppression has been occurring for almost a century, do the scholar’s recommendations change?

#2: Shaykh Al-Jifri claims that the question of Uyghur oppression is a political, not religious, one


We would like to preface this section by making it clear that Islam rejects the false dichotomy between the religious and the secular. What is “political” is not necessarily devoid of religious significance, and what is “religious” is not necessarily apolitical.

While the Sharia’s precepts pertaining to siyasah (governance and ‘urfi/customary-public law) are mostly general, with few exact prescriptions established by the sources of Sharia (al-adillah al-sharʿiyyah), Muslims have always conceived of politics as a space bound by Islamic morality and ethics, akhlāq. As with any other dimension of human life, a person’s moral culpability before God extends into the domain of the “political” just as it extends into the domain of the economic, familial, ritual, etc.

While it is true that colonization is often understood as a political phenomenon and not a religious one, religion has featured prominently both as a pretext and the locus of subjugation in China’s crimes against the Uyghur people. China brands its campaign against the Uyghurs as a fight against “Islamic extremism” in an attempt to ride on the coattails of the global “War on Terror” thereby garnering sympathy for its policies — including the imprisonment of millions of Turkic peoples into concentration camps and prisons — and insulate itself from backlash it would otherwise face as a result of its inhumanity in East Turkistan.

Like Modi’s India and many Western nations, China exploits the world’s frenzied paranoia surrounding “Muslim terror” to justify its crackdown on innocent Muslims.

We acknowledge, however, that if this matter was purely religious, and not political, we would see Hui Muslims, who do not have a territorial claim at stake, rounded up into concentration camps and being subject to the same forms of oppression Uyghurs and other Turkic people are. However, this is not the case. Huis have historically been left largely undisturbed for the sake of maintaining the CCP’s facade of religious acceptance — or at most they are subject to the usual disruptions any religious group faces under the anti-religious CCP. Historically, the Hui have been staunch supporters of the Chinese state, and even played a critical role in the dismantling of the first East Turkistan Republic of 1933 and the second of 1944..

This did not spare them, however, from the current religious crackdown they and other faith groups like Christians face, once again highlighting the inextricably religious dimension of the CCP’s supposedly merely “political” project. As though rounding up innocents into concentration camps and subjecting an entire people to violations of fundamental human rights as part of a larger campaign of ethnic cleansing and cultural destruction would be anything less than heinous, even if religion played no role in the matter.

Much of Uyghur and, by extension, all Central Asian Turkic identity, has centered on religion; Uyghurs and other Turks are Muslim, just like Malays have been Muslim based on historical development in the past millennium. Historically, up until the 1930s, Uyghurs were not commonly referred to as “Uyghurs” — they and other Turkic Muslims of East Turkistan were simply referred to as “Musulman” (Muslim), “Turki” (Turk), or “yerlik” (local). This truth further explains why China has been so adamant in removing religion from the lives of East Turkistanis — Islam is so critical to the history and culture of the Turkic presence that the CCP knows that, without it, East Turkistanis will be left weak and purposeless– easily converted into malleable forced worshippers of the party, and indistinguishable from the rest of China’s largely atheist, but nominally Confucian, Buddhist or Taoist Han majority.

Not to mention that they are then exploited in China’s massive hypocritically capitalistic labour scheme — which most of Chinese masses also suffer from.

Claiming that the oppression is not a religious matter implies that Muslims need not care about the Uyghurs out of religious concern, while in reality our blood should be boiling knowing that the rights of God and His worshippers are being violated by the CCP. Muslims around the world rightly condemn and stand in solidarity against zionist oppression in Palestine, though, by the shaykh’s standards, this would be appear a purely political project undeserving of collective Muslim outrage. The Israeli state-apparatus oppresses Muslim and Christian Palestinians alike.

The CCP has singled out Muslims, however, especially those in East Turkistan, as the targets of their brutal project. Again, we see that this is both a religious and political issue against which all Muslims and conscientious human beings should speak and fight. Just as we all wish for the freedom of Palestine sooner rather than later, we should pray, speak, and fight for the freedom of our brothers and sisters in East Turkistan.

Practicing Islam is categorically forbidden in East Turkistan, despite China’s constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion. Islamic texts and names are banned, practicing most of the five pillars of Islam is forbidden, and centuries old Islamic institutions have been destroyed and converted into communist propaganda centers. Religious scholars (ulema) have disappeared, sentenced to life in prison, or killed.

These tragedies are never publicized within China’s borders — and their occurrence is aggressively denied by the Chinese media apparatus. Instead, the media tokenizes and highlights a few religious acts, in reality no more than complex theatrics which the government has directed in order to showcase the power of “CCP Islam”. Journalists and political actors from other countries, especially Muslim ones, are invited to East Turkistan to witness a beautiful charade of “harmony” and happiness that, in reality, is no more than an open air prison for the Uyghurs.

Albanian academic and journalist, Dr Olsi Jazexhi, was one of these visitors, who later reflected on his experiences and observations on such a CCP-sponsored trip. He and other journalists toured many mosques with the CCP’s aim being to show to the outside world that there are mosques, and indeed religious freedom, in East Turkistan. Jazexhi recalls venturing into one of the mosques near Urumqi’s Grand Bazaar and finding only a store. He also recalls his visit to a concentration camp or what China calls a “vocational training center”:

“The center was in the middle of the desert. It was a kind of Alcatraz, and by its appearance, we were expecting to find some criminals, terrorists, and killers, and people who were dangerous to society. When we went there, the criminals presented us with a concert. These poor boys and girls who were being held there since many years. They were told to dance to me; Uyghur dance, Chinese dance, and Western dance.

The authorities wanted us to film them only dancing and smiling and singing. They were all speaking Chinese, even though they were Uyghurs [sic].”

Jazexhi, a dual Albanian and Canadian citizen, was later fired from his university position in Albania — demonstrating the reach of Chinese economic blackmail diplomacy. The professor was blacklisted by China due to his truthful reports on East Turkistan, highlighting the CCP’s suppression of criticism abroad, even within the context of academia, with its diplomatic and economic pressure.

Of course, this harmony would not be complete without the millions of Han Chinese who have been settled, with the aid of the government, within the borders of East Turkistan. While Uyghurs are systematically transported outside of the borders of their homeland and into mainland China to work as forced laborers or to be imprisoned and “reeducated”, it is hard to ignore the demographic erasure of Uyghurs in East Turkistan.

As more and more Han Chinese are brought into Uyghur land to replace the displaced natives, the CCP razes ancient mosques, homes, and sanctuaries to make room for the new settlers.

These settlers act both as continuous reminders of the disappearance of Uyghur autonomy as well as wardens over the remaining Uyghur population. There have been many accounts of Han Chinese living with Uyghur families in their homes as “big siblings”— feeding the government information on the family’s every move and assisting in Uyghur imprisonment for even the smallest of religious offences.

Aside from simple demographic engineering and ethnic cleansing, the Chinese program of destroying Uyghur cities and patrimony is intended to deracinate East Turkistanis from their culture and make them self-internalize that they are a people with no heritage, and to imprison them in easy-to-surveil panopticons with Han colonialists wardens. Destroying ancient cities and heritage is an old authoritarian communist strategy, reflecting the idea brillianty summarized by Alexander Solzhenitsyn that

“to destroy a people you must first sever their roots.”

One former prisoner, Adil Abdulghufur, in an interview with our co-author, Aydin Anwar, recounted how he was beaten unconscious by Chinese prison authorities and forced to wear a 25 kg cement block for a month hung by a thin string around his neck after saying “Bismillah” (in the name of God) in his sleep.

Countless Uyghur women and men, who have been sent to camps and prisons due to religious practice have been raped, forcibly sterilized, drugged, and their bodies used for organ harvesting. Uyghurs are punished with long prison sentences; one Uyghur woman was sentenced to 10 years in prison for promoting the wearing of headscarves, a Kazakh man was sentenced to 16 years in jail after Chinese authorities found audio recordings of the Quran on his computer, and several Uyghur refugees we have spoke with said that even saying the Muslim greeting Assalāmu Alaykum (Peace be upon you) can get them locked up for 10 years. Saying Insha’Allah (God-willing) is also prohibited.

In one of the many documentaries published on the dystopian existence of the Uyghur people, VICE interviews a woman who states her charged crime was the learning of the Quran and the Arabic language. A man, later in the documentary, details how he was punished for refusing to eat pork even while imprisoned. By many accounts, the word God or Allah itself must be replaced with “Party” (Chinese Communist Party), or the name of the Chinese president, Xi Jinping.

#3: Shaykh Al-Jifri claims the reason people are fighting for East Turkistan is because they do not want China to build the so-called ‘New Silk Road’ and become 2x as strong as America economically

This claim reduces the East Turkistani freedom movement to a China vs America binary– thereby completely erasing the decades of occupation East Turkistan has endured under China. In 1759, the Manchu Qing Empire invaded East Turkistan and made it its new colony. Uyghurs rebelled against Qing rule, and in 1863 were able to break free and establish Kashgaria under their leader Yaqub Khan, now known as East Turkistan.

Two decades later, the Uyghurs were invaded by the Qing again, and, this time, the Uyghur homeland was formally incorporated under the Chinese empire as “Xinjiang”. Chinese nationalists overthrew the Manchu Qing Dynasty in 1911, putting East Turkistan under the rule of Nationalist China.

The Uyghurs carried out numerous rebellions and were able to establish the East Turkistan Islamic Republic in 1933 and 1944, both of which briefly lasted before the Chinese government reoccupied the region through the military intervention and political interest of the Soviet Union. The most recent occupation started in 1949 when the Communist Party of China came to power, and since then, millions of East Turkistanis have been subject to various forms of brutal systematic genocide.

It is deeply condescending to not only delegitimize the efforts of a Muslim people in standing against their oppressors, but to also deem them to be no more than American pawns. Indeed, Xi Jinping’s China seeks to continue solidifying Chinese hard power in East Turkistan while working towards the larger CCP strategic goal of establishing China as a global hegemonic power with a new Chinese-dominated global economic-political order, via the multi-trillion dollar One Belt One Road (OBOR) Initiative. This strategic-economic project — the largest the Eurasian Landmass ever seen — spanning over 70 countries via railroads, gas pipelines, and other infrastructure projects, is one of the greatest attempts of China to secure itself a superpower position in the 21st century. Without East Turkistan, deemed by the CCP the “Chinese gateway” to Eurasia and the West in general, the entire OBOR initiative’s immediate feasibility is truly brought into question.

In addition to this strategic importance East Turkistan, the land of the Uyghurs is also extremely rich in oil, gas, and coal. According to a 2016 Congressional Research Service report, the region contains the second-highest natural gas reserves and highest oil reserves of any province-level jurisdiction of China, reportedly producing more than 30 BCM of natural gas in 2015.

A statement that reduces the intention of the freedom movement to a simple modern economic enterprise further belittles the rich history of a people that once lived with centuries of independence, and its rightful effort to reclaim its full rights and freedom. The Uyghurs played a crucial role in establishing the Koktürk Khanate (552-744), the Uyghur Khanate (744-840), the Kara-Khanid Khanate (840-1212), Gansu Uyghur Kingdom (848-1036), and Idiqut State (856-1335).

They lived co-independently in the Mongol Empire, even playing crucial roles in its administration through Gengiz Khan’s usage of the Uyghur yasa law system and the Uyghur script. After the Chagatai Khanate, East Turkistan was integrated into the Turkic-Muslim milieu of the larger Turkistan stretching from the Caspian to Mongolia including cities and polities like Bukhara, Samarkand, Kokand, etc. with scholars, traders and others moving east and west.

Thus, it is truly ridiculous to understand the issue of Uyghur colonization solely through a lens of Sino-American politics. The colonization of East Turkistan began long before China was a real contender in the quest for international political-economic hegemony, and will continue –ceteris paribus– long after a change in the foreign policy of either the United States or China.

The recent interest American politicians have taken in the plight of the Uyghurs has never even clearly crossed into the realm of East Turkistani independence– it is Uyghur, Turkic, Muslim, and anti-colonial activists who are at the forefront of the East Turkistani independence movement. Just as it was completely understandable that Afghans accepted American assistance in the fight against Soviet occupation, and that the Viet Cong accepted Chinese assistance to protect against American invasion on the other hand, the Uyghur crisis is so dire that the people are justly tempted to accept the assistance of any powerful nation against the century long Chinese oppression they have faced. Had China, under the yoke of CCP, not suffocated the Muslim peoples inhabiting East Turkistan, Uyghurs could maybe regard China differently…

The only way to secure Uyghurs and other East Turkistanis their essential rights — to practice their faith, operate economically, and take pride in their rich culture and history without fear of imprisonment, assault or death — is to secure the sovereignty of their occupied homeland.

For many Uyghurs, the human rights/autonomy discourse is dead. The Chinese government has proven over the course of its long occupation that it can never guarantee Uyghurs the safety or the freedom they deserve. Although China claims Uyghurs to be one of its “proud 56 ethnic minorities”, it sees Uyghurs not only as foreigners, as made clear with their completely distinct language, history and culture, but also as existential threats to its despotic power.

As internal but “foreign” threats, the Uyghur people have been imprisoned, enslaved, indoctrinated and murdered. There can be no going back after this horror. The only solution is for the Uyghur people, completely foreign to China, to formally exist outside of the jurisdiction of the Chinese government as their own nation.

#4: Al-Jifri asks how COVID-19 can be divine punishment if Communist Party authorities themselves remain untouched by the virus

While we agree with al-Jifri that we are in no position to state definitely whether any worldly occurrence is a direct act of Divine punishment, we question a few of the implications presented during the lecture. For example, the shaykh asks how the coronavirus pandemic can logically be considered Divine punishment if the individuals, who made the governmental decisions resulting directly in the oppression against Uyghurs, themselves remained unscathed by the virus.

We respond: How can a virus which has debilitated the economy and social structure of a country, whose government is committing genocide against millions of colonized peoples, including millions of Muslims, not be? This article does not aim to delve into a metaphysical discussion on the nature of blame and culpability, but we can simply ask how the shaykh knows that none of those individuals he identifies did not fall ill.

Additionally, we question why such a punishment could not target an entire corrupt regime — or even a complicit or apathetic populace — and not simply certain individuals, who he might deem actually culpable.

The fact of the matter is this: We do not know how many of the Uyghurs who are trapped in concentration camps, prisons or forced labor factories, have been additionally subject to this seperate CCP oppression — a virus which only became as terrible of an international menace as it has due to the deception and inadequacy of the CCP. We hope their number is very low, but also understand that the illness of Uyghurs does not indicate that the CCP is any less problematic or morally horrific in its dealing with the virus and with the regime’s colonial holdings.

The shaykh also asks why other oppressors would not be more deserving of a plague such as this one. To this we repeat the shaykh’s question to himself: Who are we to question God’s methods? The burning of the Amazon is not certainly a punishment for the South American nations whose borders it crosses, or it may be a punishment for humanity at large — we cannot know.

It does not take an act of divine punishment for us to recognize the immorality of an action or event. We do not wait for lighting to strike us down before we realize we may have committed a misdeed. In the same way, we do not know if COVID -19 is divine punishment, but we do know that the oppression of Uyghurs is a moral outrage and requires immediate international action, especially from fellow Muslim brethren.

As previously noted, we do not seek to act as interpreters of God’s will. On the contrary, we only seek to act according to a well-established Islamic tradition of taking ʿibrah, a lesson derived from a moral experience, from what we observe in the world.

Even while carefully performing this observation, we acknowledge that our derivations are zannī, or of uncertainty. This being said, we believe that our history and faith have so clearly called for justice and religious freedom that to ignore the direct suppression of Islam or Muslims, especially through means as violent and cruel as those practiced by the Chinese Communist Party, is to commit a definitive moral misdeed.

This kind of deduction by ulema and regular Muslims alike has been practiced for centuries. One pertinent example is of an individual named Mirza Ghulam of Qadiyan, who apostatized from Islam in the late 19th century as a claimant of prophethood, and experienced a rather gruesome death due to dysentery.

His downfall has been commonly interpreted (taʾwīl) as punishment, for his attempting to act as a divinely ordained prophet of God. This kind of informed and qualified interpretation has been performed for centuries and is allowed for any individual so long as they ultimately believe in the finality of the Knowledge and the Will of God. W’Allāhu Aʿlam (God knows best).

https://muslimmatters.org/2020/05/13...ts-on-uyghurs/
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سيف الله
06-15-2020, 07:08 AM
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IslamLife00
06-15-2020, 09:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Junon
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Yep. CCP attempted to change the Qur'an, probably they have done so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDAopwBfQMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-uJu4Cw7qo

They also ban fasting in Ramadan, muslim names, burqa, anything that is related to Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te150oDIXBY

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سيف الله
06-18-2020, 03:12 PM
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Another update.

IHRC report details harrowing treatment of Uyghur Muslims by China

The Islamic Human Rights Commission has called on China to treat the Uyghurs as equal citizens after it released a damning report on Beijing’s policies towards its largest Muslim minority.

The report, which is based on the personal testimonies of Uyghur refugees in Turkey, said China had chosen to treat its Uyghur population as a threat, whose ethnic and religious identity is out of sync with the majority Han Chinese.

But the report concluded that in order to find a harmonious way forward China must adopt a policy of equality and integration based on acknowledging cultural and religious diversity.

Those interviewed in the IHRC report included individuals who had been repeatedly arrested and tortured, who had been held in so-called “re-education camps,” as well as those who had fled following the persecution of family members.

The most consistent grievances included:

  • The creation of a police state wherein Muslims are monitored everywhere they go in Xinjiang.
  • The systematic targeting and persecution of anyone who displays an Islamic identity.
  • The routine use of torture to extract confessions as well as persuade individuals to provide names of others practising Islam.
  • Females being subjected to rape which is being used as a weapon to humiliate and blackmail women.
  • Family members disappearing into the “re-education” camps.
  • Being forced to undergo many hours of state propaganda, repeating mantras that extol the virtues of the Chinese state and Han identity while denying their own Islamic/Uyghur identity.
  • The incarceration of large numbers of children in the camps.


The western media has spoken of anything between one million and three million Uyghurs being held in camps, while China has talked about hundreds of thousands. Beijing has stated that it has established “vocational education” centres to stave off terrorism in the country.

Commenting on the report, IHRC chairman Massoud Shadjareh said: “What the headlines overlook is the history of persecution faced by China’s Uyghur Muslims. This is a history in which the Chinese government has sought to erase their ethnic and religious identities through acts of persecution, surveillance and where that has failed, by killing those who refused to bow to their dictates.

“The camps are the latest in a long history of persecution: Uyghur women forced to marry Chinese men to change the demography of Xinjiang, imprisonment and torture of Uyghur activists, the repression of all expressions of religious and cultural identity, and the murder of those who were deemed dangerous by the state…

“As each repressive policy fails to disabuse the Uyghurs of their cultural and religious heritage, China responds with newer and more repressive measures. The ‘re-education’ camps in Xinjiang are a sign of desperation: having failed to scare Uyghurs into adopting a Han identity through arrests, torture, surveillance and murder, China is now resorting to forcefully brainwashing the Uighur community in order to teach it how to be more Chinese and less Uyghur.

“The Chinese authorities should know that repressing an entire population will not work – from Palestine to Kashmir, Chechnya or the Rohingya of Myanmar, the modern world is replete with examples of states failing to break the will of oppressed minorities, irrespective of how monstrous and barbaric their assaults on those peoples.

“If China hopes to resolve its Uyghur question, it needs to start viewing them as equal citizens of China. It needs to protect their ethnic and cultural identity and allow them to worship freely. A free, prosperous Uyghur population will be an asset to China. Failure to turn away from its current course will only cause instability in Xinjiang as the Uyghurs seek to free themselves from the repressive policies of Beijing.”

https://5pillarsuk.com/2020/06/17/ih...lims-by-china/
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سيف الله
06-20-2020, 10:50 PM
Salaam

Another update.





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سيف الله
07-01-2020, 08:27 AM
Salaam

Beyond words. . . . .

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A new investigation says that China is carrying out a campaign to forcibly lower birth rates among ethnic Uighurs. The Associated Press investigation found hundreds of thousands of women have had to undergo pregnancy checks, forced birth control implants, or abortions.

The Chinese government has denied the allegations.


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سيف الله
07-20-2020, 12:11 AM
Salaam

Another update.



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سيف الله
08-05-2020, 10:25 PM
Salaam

Another update.





Iran Hardliners Claim China Is Serving Islam By Suppressing Uyghur Muslims

Iranian conservatives have been justifying the Chinese government's suppression of Uyghur Muslims in China and keeping silent in the face of systematic violence against Chines Muslims in Xinjiang Province.

During the past days two tweets by Ali Motahari, a former member of the Iranian Parliament, about the situation of Uyghur Muslims in China has stirred a lot of controversy among conservative political figures close to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.

Motahari tweeted that the Iranian government has kept silent about the situation of Muslims in China because it needs China's economic support. He said that this silence has been humiliating for the Islamic Republic.

Meanwhile, Motahari accused the Chinese government of attempting to uproot in the Xinjiang Province of China.

Motahari's comment led to many reactions among the hardliners. Conservative lawmaker Mahmoud Ahmadi Bighash described Motahari as "mentally impaired" and said that he has always been "useless and still nagging."

Bighash further claimed that the Chinese government has no problem with Chinese Muslims.

Meanwhile, Mehdi Hassanzadeh, the economic editor of hardliner daily newspaper Khorassan also addressed Motahari in a tweet and said that "The Chinese government has a problem with Wahabi Takfiri Muslims which is a hardline brand of Saudi-backed Islam, otherwise, China has no problem with Islam.”

In another reaction, Taqi Dezhakam, a former columnist at the hardliner daily newspaper Kayhan said ironically that the ISIS is also full of Iraqi and Syrian Muslims.

Many other Twitter users who opposed Motahari used the same argument in their attacks against the former MP.

Motahari's critics claim that governments such as Saudi Arabia have made investments in Xinjiang and are planning to promote Wahabism. They claimed that if the Chinese government does not confront these groups, ISIS is going to spread in the region. They further believe that "China is serving Islam."

Such reactions are not limited to Twitter and have their precedence in the official rhetoric of the Islamic Republic officials.

As an example, the research unit of the Iranian state-owned television's external services said in a December 2016 report about the Chinese government's attitude toward Muslims in that country: "There are good Muslims and bad Muslims in China. The problems about Muslims in China have their roots in the pro-Saudi radical policies that follow radical Wahabi and Takfiri ideology."

The situation of Chines Muslims and the way the government violates their rights has been actively criticized by the U.S. and European governments particularly during the past six years. However, pro-Chines elements on Twitter argue that China is not against Muslims. It is against radicalism and ISIS.

IRGC-linked Tasnim news agency in July rejected talks about violation of Muslims' rights in China as "disparaging propaganda, lies and accusations." The agency defended "Beijing's struggle against terrorism and radicalism" and said that "China followed the best policy to defend human rights."

A recent report by a German researcher pointed out that the Chinese government has been sterilizing Uyghur women living in the Western part of Xinjiang Province to control their population.

Meanwhile, China has been keeping mainly Muslim ethnic groups in concentration camps. International human rights watchdogs characterized the practice as "genocide and crime against humanity."

Tehran's double standard is not without precendent. The Islamic Republic has been previously criticized for turning a blind eye to the violation of Muslims' human rights by China. However, the fact that these media outlets suggest that Iran should follow China's policy in this regard is quite new.

The reason for Iranian officials' silence in the face of what China has been doing cannot be just Tehran's economic expectations from China or the suggestion that China is confronting Saudi-style extremism.

The behavior of Iranian hardliners is so odd that it is not unlikely they would at one point portray China as part of the "resistance axis." This looks strange but it is not totally unprecedented. Last year, many reports in Iranian media including Mashregh news which is maintained by hardliners close to Supreme Leader Khamenei and the IRGC, asked China to carry out a joint military exercise with Iran and Russia in the Persian Gulf. Apparently, China was not interested.

https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-har.../30766289.html
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سيف الله
08-10-2020, 04:24 PM
Salaam

Perhaps this explains Iranians position.

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#China and #Iran have drafted a deal that will see some 400 billion USD of Chinese investments pour into Iran in the first phase of the 25-year deal.


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سيف الله
08-14-2020, 09:18 AM
Salaam

Another update.



Mesut Ozil challenges Arsenal to say ‘Muslim Lives Matter’

Arsenal midfielder Mesut Ozil has criticised the London club’s response to his comments about the persecution of Uyghur Muslims and has called on the Gunners to say “Muslim Lives Matter.”

In an interview with The Athletic, Ozil said Arsenal were happy to get involved in political matters by supporting the Black Lives Matters movement.

He said: “I have given a lot to Arsenal, on and off the pitch, so the reaction was disappointing. They said they don’t get involved in politics but this isn’t politics and they have got involved in other issues.”

Ozil also wants Arsenal to show support for “Muslim Lives Matter” as well as “Black Lives Matter.”

He said: “In America, we saw George Floyd killed and the world spoke up to say Black Lives Matter, and that is correct. We are all equal and it’s a good thing that people fight against injustice. There are a lot of black players and fans of Arsenal and it’s fantastic the club is backing them.

“But I wish people would have done the same for the Muslims because Arsenal have many Muslim players and fans as well, and it is important for the world to say that Muslim Lives Matter.”

In December 2019, Ozil spoke out strongly against China’s treatment of the Uyghur population in Xinjiang, where over a million people have reportedly been held in detention camps over recent years.

Ozil’s Instagram message read: “East Turkistan, the bleeding wound of the Ummah, resisting against the persecutors trying to separate them from their religion.

“They burn their Qurans. They shut down their mosques. They ban their schools. They kill their holy men. The men are forced into camps and their families are forced to live with Chinese men. The women are forced to marry Chinese men.

“But Muslims are silent. They won’t make a noise. They have abandoned them. Don’t they know that giving consent for persecution is persecution itself?”

But Arsenal moved to distance themselves from his comments and sought to limit any damage to their business in China, a move Ozil today told The Athletic he was not happy with.

A statement released by the club at the time on Chinese social media site Weibo said: “Regarding the comments made by Mesut Ozil on social media, Arsenal must make a clear statement.

“The content published is Ozil’s personal opinion. As a football club, Arsenal has always adhered to the principle of not involving itself in politics.”

https://5pillarsuk.com/2020/08/13/me...-lives-matter/
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'Abdullah
08-14-2020, 04:31 PM
It’s a Muslim Holocaust on a much bigger scale and unfortunately Muslim leaders are cowards and have not said anything publicly.
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'Abdullah
08-23-2020, 02:12 PM
Sometimes we do need to hear the criticism of our enemies. Obviously India has their own agenda and they can’t see the oppression of minorities within India, still some of the points made are valid:
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سيف الله
11-23-2020, 10:55 AM
Salaam

Not surprising but still shocking.

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سيف الله
01-01-2021, 12:34 PM
Salaam

Another update.



'Sold out': Uighurs fear deportation as China ratifies extradition treaty with Turkey

Uighur activists urge Turkish government not to abide by agreement that could put tens of thousands at risk of being detained in internment camps


Beijing has ratified an extradition treaty with Turkey that Uighurs fear could pave the way for tens of thousands to be deported and imprisoned in internment camps that rights group say constitute a “cultural genocide”.

The treaty, first signed during Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s visit to Beijing in 2017, was ratified last weekend at the Chinese National People’s Congress, with state media saying it would be used for counter-terrorism purposes.

Turkey is yet to ratify the treaty, and as such no extraditions are expected any time soon. However Uighurs are now calling on the Turkish government and lawmakers to stop the agreement from going through.

Uighurs, a Muslim-majority Turkic minority, have sought refuge in Turkey since 1952, when the Turkish government offered asylum to those fleeing the Xinjiang region (also known as East Turkestan) as a fledgling communist China cemented its hold.

Today, however, Turkey’s estimated 50,000 Uighur refugees now find themselves living on the edge, as China escalates the persecution of their kin back home and targets the community abroad.

Warming relations and allegations of collusion between Ankara and Beijing have only compounded fears that Uighurs could be deported to join the estimated one million detained in camps.

Earlier this week, an investigation by BuzzFeed News revealed a vast sprawl of factory facilities built across the western region of Xinjiang, underscoring allegations of forced labour and mass incarceration.

China denies the allegations, and says it seeks to lift Xinjiang's people out of poverty and increase seucrity through its policies.

'Big mistake'


Abduweli Ayup, a Uighur activist in Turkey, told Middle East Eye the treaty was “not surprising” because of alleged Turkish cooperation in deporting Uighur dissidents to China, sometimes via a third country.

Among them is a 59-year-old mother of two, whom activists fear was deported from Turkey to Tajikistan in June, before being taken to neighbouring Xinjiang. Ankara denies the claims.

Ayup suggests that should Ankara ratify the treaty, extraditions will be carried out in secret and not en masse. “I don’t believe that the Turkish government will send Uighurs to China openly, not like what happened in Egypt,” he said, referring to the mass arrests of Uighur students in Cairo in 2017, thought to be at the behest of Beijing.

However, he says that the public nature of the extradition accord could turn the spotlight on China’s hitherto covert campaign to force Uighurs to return home for political and religious screening.

“The extraditions were taking place underground before, and the Chinese government didn’t mention them openly. Now they’ve put it on the table, it can draw international attention,” said Ayup, who added that Turkish campaigners are now taking up the issue.

“China has made a big mistake,” he said.

Provisions in the treaty that have raised the alarm include a clause that “it shall not matter whether the laws of both parties place the offence within the same category or describe the offence by the same terminology”.

Rights groups say this could allow the parties to request the extradition of its citizens charged for offences that are interpreted differently in the other party's jurisdiction.

This fear is echoed by Dolkun Isa, president of the World Uighur Congress, who is one of those China has charged with "terrorism", a tactic critics say is used to tarnish and criminalise Beijing's opponents.

“Because the Chinese and Turkish governments have a different view of what a criminal is, the Chinese can misuse this law to claim that any Uighur is criminal and seek their extradition," Isa said.

Representatives from the Congress are lobbying politicians to oppose the ratification of the treaty, which Erdogan introduced to parliament in April 2019.

'Sold out'

Australian-Uighur activist Arslan Hidayat said that by merely entertaining the treaty, Turkey had “sold out” the Uighurs.

“We Uighurs feel as though we have been sold out because obviously the Turks and the Uighurs have ethnic ties as well as religious ties. To be sold out by your own is very, very hurtful,” he told MEE.

Hidayat questioned Erdogan’s commitment to the Uighur cause, highlighting the disparity between Muslim-majority Turkey drawing closer to Beijing while France last week opposed a proposed EU-Chinese trade deal over the abuse of Uighurs.

He noted that Erdogan had positioned himself as a defender of Muslims by calling for a boycott of French products in October over President Emmanuel Macron's support for depictions of Prophet Muhammad.

“It’s certainly hypocrisy where you’ve got the government of supposed Muslim-majority countries selling out Uighurs, and the governments of non-Muslim countries standing up for Uighurs,” he said.

Turkish officials did not respond to a request by MEE for comment.

'I lost everything for downloading WhatsApp'

An investigation by Buzzfeed News this week revealed the construction of more than 100 factory buildings within the vast compounds used to house more than 1 million people in in Xingjiang, the latest evidence in a thickening catalogue of abuses committed against Uighurs and other minority Muslim groups.

One Uighur woman interviewed by Buzzfeed News said she was arrested in 2017, detained in a compound and forced to work in a factory, sewing garments for nine hours a day.

In the evenings after her shift, she was required to take classes, memorising and repeating Chinese Communist party propaganda and studying Mandarin, the language spoken by the majority of Chinese.

In September 2018, near the end of her time in the camp, police finally told her that she had been arrested for downloading the WhatsApp messaging app. “I lost everything, including my health,” she told BuzzFeed News.

Uighur activist Abduweli Ayup said that, to avoid a similar fate, Uighurs in Turkey were left with little choice but to speak up.

“In Turkey, people [Uighurs] are afraid of being arrested, so they are not very politically active,” he said.

“We need to stand up and say that we are Uighur and to tell people on social media that we can be victims of deportation.”

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/u...ar-deportation

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سيف الله
05-26-2021, 08:40 AM
Salaam

Before we forget.



Another Ramadan Without Ramadan

Congratulations to all for reaching the holy month of Ramaḍān! I would like to remind everyone what this month is all about, and this is a reminder to myself before anybody else.

This month is a month of drinking alcohol, entering beer drinking competitions,[1] eating pork, watching dancing imams,[2] getting closer to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) by proving your allegiance to its members, and by worshipping their lord and saviour Xi Jinping for giving us our daily sustenance.[3]

Now, before you start writing your letters of complaints to the editors of Islam21c or notifying them that they might have been hacked, the information I have just presented is unfortunately true, and it is only the tip of the iceberg of what happens to the Uyghur Muslims of Chinese-occupied East Turkestan on a daily basis, not only during the month of Ramaḍān.

The following is a summary of what an ordinary Uyghur Muslim experiences on a daily basis in Chinese-occupied East Turkestan. It is something we should all be thinking about as another year passes with us being unable to spend time with our friends and family or maybe going to tarāwīḥ prayers because of COVID-19 restrictions.

This Ramaḍān, just like every Ramaḍān for the last six years, Uyghurs will not be allowed to worship Allāh. The following are all banned: using simple phrases like ‘Assalāmu‘alaykum,’[4] ‘Alḥamdullilāh,’ ‘Allāhu Akbar,’ praying, fasting, wearing hijab, having a beard, abstaining from sins such as drinking alcohol or eating pork,[5] reading or even owning the Quran or any religious item,[6] giving charity, and other such religious activities.

One may ask, how does the Chinese government go about monitoring this? Surely they cannot keep track of all this? Well, digital technologies have helped assist in the repression of the Uyghurs.[7] The CCP has not only been able to clamp down on public religious activities, it has also been able to quash religious activities in private too. Processors, sensors, QR codes, smartphone apps, cameras, and the millions of CCP officials forced to live with Uyghurs. All of this monitors each and every move a Uyghur Muslim makes, from expressing the Uyghur culture to religious practices.

Rabigul Hajimuhemmed,[8] a Uyghur rights activist based in Turkey, said back in 2003 that while she was in high school, she would try and fast with her friends. Their efforts to worship Allāh would come with great difficulty as they had to fast in secret. Their teachers and school administration would give out food and water throughout the holy month. This practice was done every Ramaḍān in order to see who was fasting. Hajimuhemmed recounts one incident where she and her friends were interrogated by the school administration to confess if they had taken part in fasting. She narrates, “The principal would ask us, ‘Aren’t you all strong believers in Allāh? Muslims do not lie. Don’t you fear him?’”

Despite the Chinese government’s roots being that of a communist-atheist system, it still uses religious ideology to make Uyghurs come forward to admit their so-called crimes. Hajimuhemmed came forward on that day in school and confessed that she had fasted for three days. She was fined 10 yuan (around $1 at the time) for each day. The amount was small but symbolic, used as a psychological tool to manipulate Uyghurs from a young age. This message is ingrained into their psyche: absolutely no religiosity will be tolerated. The mere fact that you can be fined for worshipping your Lord sends a clear message to young Uyghurs about what was going to be in store for them if they continued to defy the CCP’s rulings on religious practice.

Those who do not follow the rules or are seen as a threat to the stability of Chinese society are sent to modern-day concentration camps.[9] Here, they are ‘re-educated’ to become law-abiding Chinese citizens, i.e. whole-heartedly adhering to the laws of the CCP. In essence, they are forced to reject their culture and religion, and essentially their entire identity. CCP authorities achieve this through forceful indoctrination.[10] Uyghurs are given a warped truth about their religion and culture. Islam is considered a mental illness that needs to be cured,[11] and the cure can be found in the camps. Women are forcefully sterilised to no longer become ‘baby-making machines’ that ‘produce’ more Uyghurs to destabilise the region.[12] [13] Uyghurs are tortured and raped to such a level that the concentration camps are now used as brothels.[14]

Whilst everyone is busying themselves in worshipping Allāh this Ramaḍān – as we all should be to the best of our abilities – and making du‘ā for our shortcomings, make sure you make du‘ā for your Uyghur brothers and sisters who are suffering. Educate yourself on their plight and ask Allāh to help make you a vessel in helping those in need, and He will guide you, in shā’ Allāh.

Stand up for Uyghurs

Islam21c has been working hard behind the scenes with key figures on the Uyghur activism scene to create a nationwide campaign to guide us towards effective action for our Uyghur brothers and sisters. If you would like to be part of this campaign, simply enter your email address in the box below and you’ll be contacted in due course inshāAllāh.

https://www.islam21c.com/campaigns/a...thout-ramadan/

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A lot of controversy caused by this article, but judging by whats happened in the past I can believe it.

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The US has officially designated the Chinese government’s brutal crackdown of Uyghur Muslims as genocide. But suppression of Uyghur people doesn’t stop at China’s border - Beijing’s ongoing “One Belt One Road” project threatens Uyghurs in neighboring countries like Pakistan.

Mohammed Umer is an Uyghur activist who operates an underground railroad in Pakistan, smuggling persecuted Muslims into other countries. His work is becoming more difficult as China invests billions of dollars into the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a series of infrastructure projects that connect the two countries.

For all the promises of CPEC to transform Pakistan’s economy, some groups see these developments as a threat and have mounted a violent campaign of resistance.

Producer-Director Brent E. Huffman traveled to Pakistan several times in the past few years to produce this film with grant assistance from both the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting and the Buffet Institute for Global Studies.




Edit - Oh dear oh dear :facepalm:

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سيف الله
05-28-2021, 09:39 PM
Salaam

More on Chinas muscle flexing.

China warns Australia

It appears China is beginning to warn off the second-tier players in what looks rather like preparation for a move on Taiwan:

Australia's military is 'weak,' 'insignificant' and will be the 'first hit' in any potential conflict over Taiwan, Chinese propagandists have warned.

The chilling message in the Communist Party mouthpiece, the Global Times, comes as Australian naval forces completed war game exercises with the US, France and Japan held between May 11 and 17 in the East China Sea.

The first ever training drill between the four nations called Exercise Jeanne d'Arc 21 - or ARC21 - practiced amphibious assaults, urban warfare and anti-aircraft defence - and was met with fury by Beijing.

'The People's Liberation Army doesn't even need to make pointed responses to the joint drill since it's insignificant militarily,' the article said. 'Australia's military is too weak to be a worthy opponent of China, and if it dares to interfere in a military conflict for example in the Taiwan Straits, its forces will be among the first to be hit. Australia must not think it can hide from China if it provokes. Australia is within range of China's conventional warhead-equipped DF-26 intermediate-range ballistic missile.'

Over the past year China has slapped more than $20billion worth of arbitrary trade bans and tariffs on Australian exports as an apparent punishment for calling for an independent inquiry into the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic - which first appeared in Wuhan in 2019.

Tensions were further strained last month when various figures including the likes of Defence Minister Peter Dutton, Former Defence Minister Christopher Pyne and Home Affairs secretary Michael Pezzullo, all suggested the 'drums of war' in the region are getting louder.
Just in case the warning hasn't been received, The Global Times has underlined the point in an interview with an Australian academic who is an expert on Sino-Australian relations:

Recently, the Morrison government has been constantly commenting on the possibility of Australian military engagement in a future US-China war over Taiwan. However, this was met with harsh criticism from former prime minister Kevin Rudd and numerous scholars. Is the Morrison government clear about the consequences of war? Why is Canberra standing close by Washington to confront China instead of striking a balance between the two like most other countries do? Global Times (GT) reporter Wang Wenwen talked to James Laurenceson (Laurenceson), director of the Australia-China Relations Institute, University of Technology Sydney, over these issues.

GT: How is the Morrison government's hype of war dangerous and damaging? Do you think the hawkish officials from the Morrison government are clearly aware of the consequences of a military clash with China to Australia? Or is talking about war just an easy gesture to make for political expediency?

Laurenceson: Former prime minister Rudd's criticism of war talk was mostly because he regarded it as being deployed by members of the current Morrison government for domestic political gain. But in the process, the chest-thumping rhetoric further damages Australia's already dysfunctional relationship with China, nor did it inform the Australian public just how catastrophic the costs of such a war would be.

This political tactic of hyping an external "threat" to induce a "rallying around the flag" effect occurs in other countries too, including China and the US. That said, the risk of a kinetic conflict over Taiwan has increased compared with, say, five years ago. This means it is appropriate for sober-minded analysis and planning within the Australian government's Department of Defence, and in communicating to the public just what is at stake in terms of Australia's national interests and values. But the priority must be avoiding a military conflict, not hyping the risk for domestic political gain, or regarding it as inevitable and now starting to treat China as a de-facto enemy. China is far more a friend to Australia than an enemy.

GT: Most analysts would not deny that Washington can no longer expect a quick and easy victory in a war with China in the Western Pacific. Why has Australia under Morrison been boasting following the US and taking the risk?

Laurenceson: Within the Australian government, there is a significant gap between the key decision-makers and those more on the fringe. The reported hawkish comments by Minister for Defence, Peter Dutton, for example, were more qualified when you read the full transcript of what he said rather than just the version presented in the headlines...

GT: Although Australia and the US are allies, how much confidence do Australia's political and strategic circles have toward the actual support and protection Washington will (or can) offer to Australia?

Laurenceson: I think there is a high degree of confidence within political and strategic circles that the US would support Australia in a military conflict. Of course, there are a lot of scenarios between where things are now and one where Australia is being attacked in a military conflict. And along that spectrum, my view is that Australia should be realistic and not be "doe-eyed" about what it can expect from America.
Australia would be insane to place any trust whatsoever in the increasingly incomptent US military, which at this point would be more likely to send them a transgender dance troupe to twerk defiance at the Chinese than risk the chance that an aircraft carrier group would end up on the bottom of the Western Pacific. South Korea appears to understand this, as it certainly doesn't want any part of the Taiwan question.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/05/c...australia.html
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سيف الله
06-05-2021, 07:22 PM
Salaam

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Sh Dr Haitham al-Haddad and Dr Salman Butt are at the Uyghur Tribunal meeting with some senior representatives of the Uyghur diaspora globally.

Abdulhakim Idris is the Executive Director of the Center for Uyghur Studies and Inspector General of the World Uyghur Congress.

Visit Islam21c.com for more updates.




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Sh Dr Haitham al-Haddad and Dr Salman Butt are at the Uyghur Tribunal meeting with some senior representatives of the Uyghur diaspora globally.

Nick Vetch is Vice-Chair of the Tribunal. He is engaged with a range of NGOs particularly in the field of Human Rights and was a member of the China Tribunal.

Visit Islam21c.com for more updates.





Testimony







Chinese response.



Comment.

And again why Pakistan rulers are unlikely to respond.

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سيف الله
06-08-2021, 07:45 PM
Salaam

Another update.







China has created 'dystopian hellscape' for Uighurs in Xinjiang, says Amnesty

Rights groups says Beijing is committing crimes against humanity, including mass detention, torture, and persecution


Uighurs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities in China's Xinjiang region face systematic and state-organised "mass internment and torture amounting to crimes against humanity", Amnesty International has said.

In a 160-page report published on Thursday, the rights group called on the UN to investigate the abuses, and said Beijing had subjected Muslims to mass detention in violation of international law.

More than 50 former camp detainees shared new testimony with Amnesty, providing a detailed inside account of the conditions in internment camps sanctioned by Chinese authorities since 2017.

Testimonies from former detainees included the use of "tiger chairs" - steel chairs with leg irons and handcuffs that restrain the body in painful positions - during police interrogations.

Two former detainees told the rights group they had been forced to wear heavy shackles - in one case for an entire year. Others described being shocked with electric batons and sprayed with pepper spray.

"Chinese authorities have created a dystopian hellscape on a staggering scale," said Agnes Callamard, Amnesty International's secretary-general and a former UN investigator on human rights.

"It should shock the conscience of humanity that massive numbers of people have been subjected to brainwashing, torture and other degrading treatment in internment camps, while millions more live in fear amid a vast surveillance apparatus."

The report comes less than two months after Human Rights Watch said it believed China was responsible for crimes against humanity in Xinjiang.

Some Western countries have accused China of persuing a genocide against the Uighurs and other minorities in Xinjiang, with the US state department having previously declared it as such, and the parliaments of the UK, Canada, and the Netherlands having passed resolutions making the same declaration.

Still, Jonathan Loeb, author of the Amnesty report, said at press conference on Thursday that the rights group's research "did not reveal that all the evidence of the crime of genocide had occurred" but that it had so far "only scratched the surface".

Outside scope of Chinese justice system'

Rights groups have also accused China of conducting forced sterilisations and abortions on Uighur women and using population transfer to reduce the population density.

China routinely denies accusations of human rights abuses in Xinjiang and says its camps are voluntary vocational and de-radicalisation programmes for combating terrorism in the region.

In its report, Amnesty said counterterrorism could not properly justify the scale of the mass detention there, and that the Chinese government's actions showed a "clear intent to target parts of Xinjiang's population collectively on the basis of religion and ethnicity and to use severe violence and intimidation to root out Islamic religious beliefs and Turkic Muslim ethno-cultural practices".

Amnesty also said camps in Xinjiang appeared to be "operating outside the scope of the Chinese criminal justice system or other known domestic law", and that there was evidence detainees had been transferred from camps to prisons.

While many of its findings have been previously reported, Amnesty's study is likely to add to further pressure on Beijing over its actions and policies in Xinjiang.

In March, the EU, US, UK and Canada imposed sanctions on Chinese officials over the alleged abuses. China responded by imposing retaliatory sanctions on lawmakers, researchers and institutions.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/c...lscape-amnesty
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سيف الله
06-11-2021, 10:51 PM
Salaam

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For the first time in #Unscripted history! While they were in the UK for the Uyghur Tribunal and G7 summit, President Dolkun Isa and Inspector General Abdulhakim Idris of the World Uyghur Congress joined Dr Salman Butt in a special podcast not to be missed.


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سيف الله
06-26-2021, 11:10 PM
Salaam

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As part of the Stand4Uyghurs National Khutbah Day, mosques up and down the United Kingdom spoke about the Uyghur Muslims suffering genocide in East Turkestan (aka Xinjiang). Islam21c Chief Editor, Dr Salman Butt, delivered a khutbah in Yaseen Youth Centre today as part of this.

Visit Stand4Uyghurs.com and make sure you stand with your brothers and sisters on 1st July 5-8pm outside the Chinese embassy in London!

That day is a symbolic day that our Uyghur brothers and sisters want us to stand up for them internationally - the 100 year anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party.


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سيف الله
06-26-2021, 11:13 PM
And more

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China is on the back foot. Now is our time to stand for the Uyghur Muslims facing genocide. Prove to them that we have not forsaken them by attending a national demonstration of solidarity during the Chinese Communist Party's 100th anniversary celebrations.

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سيف الله
06-26-2021, 11:47 PM
Salaam

Chinese propoganda is rather inept

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سيف الله
07-04-2021, 06:21 AM
Salaam

Another update. This protest happened a couple of days ago.



British Muslims call for an end to the Uyghur Muslim genocide


Major demonstrations were organised on Thursday outside of the Chinese embassy in London, in an attempt to address ongoing crimes committed by the Chinese regime against its minority population. Protesters demanded that the Chinese state immediately halt its ongoing genocide of ethnic Uyghur Muslims in the western autonomous region of Xinjiang, also known as East Turkestan.



The rally was organised by a coalition of over 50 British Muslim organisations. It was publicised under the umbrella campaign brand ‘Stand4Uyghurs’, and was held to coincide with celebrations that marked the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The coalition included major regional Islamic bodies, such as Finsbury Park Mosque, the East London Mosque, and the London Muslim Centre. Muslim media organisations such as Islam21c and the Islam Channel also played presiding roles in the diverse coalition.

Prominent members of the Muslim community and greater society also made appearances to address the ongoing ethnic cleansing in East Turkestan. They reiterated their concern for the Uyghur people, and articulated a message of global solidarity and moral support. Attendees included the founding Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain Sir Iqbal Sacranie, and the newly elected head of the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) Raghad Altikriti.



The event’s campaign coordinator was the Chief Editor of Islam21c, Dr Salman Butt. He appreciated the increasing awareness of the international community regarding the ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide. However, he noted the immense difficulties that people face when they attempt to take appropriate actions against these gross injustices. Dr Butt explained that this campaign’s chief aim is to tackle these shortcomings by not only motivating people to act, but by also providing them accurate information regarding the major crises occurring in East Turkestan. Butt stressed the importance of the event by making the following remarks:

“More and more people are finding out about the horrific treatment of the Uyghurs, but not many people know what to do to help them. This longer-term campaign aims to tackle three issues: motivate people by highlighting examples of how powerful their voice is; inform them with accurate information of who the Uyghurs are and what is happening to them; then channelling them towards effective action. As for the launch this Thursday, it is a rare opportunity to show moral support to Uyghurs and other oppressed minorities on a day which they themselves have reached out to us to make a stand on. It is the least we can do.”


Abdulhakim Idris, the Inspector General of the World Uyghur Congress, echoed this sentiment with the following statement: “the CCP has killed more than 60 million of its own citizens during its reign. The systematic genocide against Uyghur Muslims is just one in a long line of death and state terror. The global Uyghur diaspora called on all people to use their voices to make this known to the world on this day in particular, and we are grateful to all those standing up and doing their part.”

A message of collective action

The main aims of Thursday’s rally included delivering a message of global unity and solidarity for the Uyghur Muslim ethnic group, and vocally condemning Chinese oppression. Guest speakers stressed that China could be effectively challenged through collective efforts. Despite the Chinese regime’s superpower status in the international community, diplomatic weight in the UN, and unparalleled economic might, normal people across the world can collectively make a difference by standing up to these oppressors. Regarding the potential leverage that the event held, Sir Sacranie stated the following:
“Today’s occasion is quite an important event where people from different backgrounds to express a very strong view that the atrocities and the acts of genocide that is taking place in East Turkestan cannot continue and we have wonderful scholars and speakers from different parts of the country expressing their views in a very strong manner and the key objective is that the message has to be conveyed to the Chinese government that these actions being carried out is not only against international but a breach of basic human rights.”


The founding Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain believes that Muslim nations find themselves in a strategically strong position, and can exercise a level of influence on Beijing which would serve the interests of Uyghur Muslims. These Muslim states, according to Sacranie, enjoy strong political and economic ties with China. Because of their powerful standing vis-à-vis Beijing, these countries can effectively exert leverage over the regime and help bring an end to the Uyghur Muslim genocide in Xinjiang. Regarding the powerful position of Muslim states, Sir Sacranie made the following astute observations:

“Muslim countries are in a very strong position, they have very good relations with China, both politically and economically, and they can exercise that level of influence to advise China in a positive manner as they also have similar issues in their own countries regarding human rights abuses and if they do not take the appropriate actions such as sanctions against China then the oppressed communities within those Muslim countries will be able to rise against those governments so it would serve them well to urge China to end the Uyghur genocide.”


Raged Altikriti of the MAB emphasised how the Uyghurs have been suffering at the hands of the ruthless Beijing authorities for an extended period of time. She also expressed her sadness that many normal human beings trying to live customary lives in China are forced to face an Orwellian nightmare simply for belonging to a different ethnic group or religion. For many ethnic minority groups, every facet of the communist party’s espoused values is imposed through continuous state propaganda. In many cases, Muslim minority groups are even forced to consume prohibited substances, like pork, in their homes or concentration camps.

Regarding the plight of the Uyghur people, Altikriti delivered the following powerful remarks:

“For too many years our brothers and sisters – the Uyghur Muslims of East Turkestan – have been choking under the crushing boot of Chinese Tyranny. For too many years they have been packed into concentration camps and made to work in slave labor. The women have been hit mostly by the dire situation of this tyranny and brutality. Horrific stories as some survivors have managed to flee the country and raise the alarm with regards to the crimes taking place against their people.”


The MAB head mentioned in elaborate detail the scope of crimes committed by the Chinese regime against the Muslim minority group:

“The Uyghur women are facing sexual violence and systematic downgrades in their prisons. Forced sterilisations to decrease their birth rates and Uyghur women are forced into relationships with Han (non-Muslim) men while their husbands are in Chinese prisons. The accounts are too disturbing to be told in this demonstration but they are endless and they are emerging. For too many years their children have been stolen away, brainwashed and made to forget their history, their culture and their religion. For too many years their mosques have been destroyed, their prayers denied, their fasting disturbed and their Zakaat stolen.”
Systemic ethnic cleansing and genocide

The Chinese government has faced increasing criticism from the international community ever since mounting evidence revealed that Beijing is implementing an intense campaign of ethnic and cultural genocide against the Uyghur Muslims. Recent satellite imagery illustrates the rapid growth of mass concentration camps in the countrysides of Xinjiang. Furthermore, graphic stories of human rights abuses are growing in number.

The Chinese regime has defended its genocidal policies in the region, arguing that they are necessary coercive measures, which are aimed at tackling extremism and terrorism. This is a trope that is routinely used to mask and cover the gross human rights abuses being committed. As part of its cultural genocide, Beijing has destroyed centuries old mosques and Muslim graveyards, forcibly denied Muslims the right to practice their faith, and is even altering the traditional structure of Uyghur Muslim families.

The Chinese government has routinely denied the existence of concentration camps, despite there being clear evidence to the contrary. Up to a million Uyghur Muslims are believed to be detained in these camps. The regime claims that these are simply ‘re-educational centres’ which are aimed at reforming the local population and teaching them new skills. Survivors and former detainees of such camps, however, have spoken of brutal and inhuman acts of torture being committed at both the physical and psychological levels.

Earlier this year, a horrifying report published by the BBC revealed the extent to which rape is used against defenceless Uyghur Muslim women who find themselves detained in these concentration camps. The report shares horrific witness accounts of how Chinese soldiers and police officers viciously rape and torture Uyghur women in these camps. Furthermore, Uyghur Muslim women are forcibly sterilised, robbing them of their right to bear children. There can be no doubt that these policies appear to be aimed at curbing the Muslim population in the province. [1]

A ground-breaking report published in March this year revealed that every single article of the United Nations 1948 Genocide Convention has been violated by the Chinese state in its treatment of Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang. Subsequently, according to the report, there is no doubt that the Chinese state bears responsibility for the crimes of genocide and ethnic cleansing against members of its own population. [2].

https://www.islam21c.com/news-views/...slim-genocide/

In the past he had the decency to at least squirm when the plight of the Uighurs was mentioned but now.









No words

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سيف الله
07-09-2021, 01:45 PM
Salaam

Another update





Right on cue.

Banks not tanks

People often accuse China of being imitative rather than creative, and stealing techniques and technology rather than inventing it. Well, it looks like they learned a rather nasty new trick from the West's globalist bankers and are applying it effectively with vigor around the world:

Perched atop massive cement pillars that tower above Montenegro's picturesque Moraca river canyon is an incomplete highway that threatens to bankrupt the little Balkan nation.

China Road and Bridge Corporation, the state-owned company which is building the bridge with imported Chinese workers, has not yet finished constructing the first section of the 270-mile highway to the Serbian capital Belgrade.

The first instalment on a $1 billion loan from China's state bank is due this month but it's unclear whether Montenegro, whose debt has soared to more than double its GDP because of the project, will be able to pay it back.

A copy of the loan contract reviewed by NPR shows that if Montenegro misses the deadline, Beijing has the right to seize land inside the country - as long as it doesn't belong to the military or is used for diplomatic purposes.

Furthermore, the country's former government green-lighted for a Chinese court of arbitration to have the final say on any contractual disputes.
The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund have been engaging in debt-trap diplomacy for decades. The Chinese offer is actually less burdensome and less controlling... unless the country defaults. Which is how China is going to snap up very inexpensive property all around the world and there is literally nothing that the globalists - who invented the scheme - can do to stop it.

Nationalism and the ability to default has been the only answer to this sort of financial predation, but even nationalism won't help much when the lender holding the collateral has a massive military to back up his legal claims.

It's always more efficient to invade-and-occupy using banks rather than tanks.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/07/banks-not-tanks.html
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سيف الله
08-06-2021, 08:36 PM
Salaam

Another update

Beijing Watch

In early June the first hearings of the Uyghur tribunal - an independent hearing chaired by barrister Geoffrey Nice to hear evidence from detention survivors about whats happening in Xinjian, China - took place in London. the evidence is no longer news, but still horrible.

Mihrigul Tursun, released from two years detention, found two of her four year old triplets seriously ill, the third dead, all bearing mysterious surgical scars. Tursunay Ziyadin described forced sterilisation. Bumeryem Rozi described forced abortion at five months of pregnancy, with a needle being passed into her stomach. Shes says eight other pregnant women were taken at the same time. An Uyghur doctor testified to carrying out forced abortions and being haunted by seeing an aborted baby in a bucket, still moving.

We know the birth rates in Uyghur regions have fallen dramatically since 2015. Survivors testified to routine rape and gang rape, forced serialisation, child removals, electrocution, beatings and physical torture, and retaliation by the state against any Uyghurs with relatives outside China. The Uyghurs are being brutalised, intimidated, sterilised and aborted out of existence.

The tribunal is a 'peoples response' to the failure of the United Nations or the International Criminal Court to hold China to account, despite many individual countries (including the US and UK) having openly accused it of genocide. The UN Security Council cannot pass a resolution without Chinas agreement. The Human Rights Council is equally toothless.

Yet there is something we can do. The Chinese government cares what its public thinks, as evidenced by its hysterical response to talk of genocide. It has declared the tribunal 'blasphemy against the law' and an illegal publicity stunt to smear Xinjian, issuing sanctions against the organisers.

China shrugged denials as the first rumours leaked from Xinjian in 2017 have morphed into a stream of ridiculous counter claims, from films of Uyghurs dancing in re education centre videos to coerced televised testimonies by relatives of survivors, denouncing them as immoral traitors, all paraded in front of Western journalists in a frenzy of pathetic self defence.

Why? Because try as the authorities might, China vase population hears what the Western public hears. China may have the UN in a straightjacket and lie outside the jurisdiction of the ICC, but the accusation of genocide has it on the back foot. Calls are going out for a full boycott of next February Beijing Winter Olympics. The Irish government recently declared it would send no officials and the EU parliament has voted for a diplomatic boycott. Last week the UK parliament debated the same thing, with many of these points passionately made - but to no avail. The motion passed, but the government was non committal: IT has made no decision, it is already doing enough (despite Iain Duncan Smith suggesting otherwise).

Its time to order the window stickers. At a time when global sport hold everyone attention and Gareth Southgate's men take the knee, we can all show the abusers we can see them.

Source - PE No: 1552
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سيف الله
08-10-2021, 11:17 PM
Salaam

Another update, this has caused a lot of controversy and debate.

A Reluctant Embrace: China’s New Relationship with the Taliban

As the United States withdraws from Afghanistan and leaves a security vacuum there, is China moving in by cozying up to the Taliban? On July 28, Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi held a high-profile official meeting with a delegation of nine Afghan Taliban representatives, including the group’s co-founder and deputy leader Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar. This was not the first visit by Taliban members to China, but the meeting was unprecedented in its publicity, the seniority of the Chinese attendees, and the political messages conveyed. Most notably, Wang used the meeting to publicly recognize the Taliban as a legitimate political force in Afghanistan, a step that has major significance for the country’s future development.

Even so, close examination of the meeting’s details and the Chinese government’s record of engagement with the Taliban reveals that the future path of the relationship is far from certain. Not only is the endgame of the armed conflict in Afghanistan undetermined. There are also questions about how moderate the Taliban will ever be, which has a tremendous impact on Chinese officials’ perception of, and policy toward, the organization. Additionally, despite the narrative that Afghanistan could play an important role in the Belt and Road Initiative as well as in regional economic integration, economics is not yet an incentive for China to lunge into the war-plagued country. China has been burned badly in its previous investments in Afghanistan and will tread carefully in the future. In an effort to further its political and economic interests, the Chinese government has reluctantly embraced the Taliban, but it has also hedged by continuing to engage diplomatically with the Afghan government.

China’s Public Recognition of the Taliban as a Legitimate Political Force

In 1993, four years after the Soviet Union had withdrawn its last troops from Afghanistan and one year after the Afghan communist regime had collapsed, China evacuated its embassy there amid the violent struggle then taking place. After the Taliban seized power in 1996, the Chinese government never established an official relationship with that regime. The Taliban’s fundamentalist nature, their association with and harboring of al-Qaeda, and their questionable relationship with Uighur militants all led Chinese officials to view them negatively.

Even as China has maintained its official recognition of the Afghan government, in recent years, Chinese officials have developed a relationship with the Taliban in response to the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan and shifts in the balance of power on the ground. In 2015, China hosted secret talks between representatives of the Taliban and Afghan government in Urumqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region. In July 2016, a Taliban delegation — led by Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanekzai, then the group’s senior representative in Qatar — visited Beijing. During the trip, the Taliban representatives reportedly sought China’s understanding and support for their positions in Afghan domestic politics. China’s engagement efforts intensified in 2019, as peace talks between the United States and the Taliban gained speed. In June of that year, Baradar, who had become head of the Taliban’s political office in Qatar and is viewed as a moderate figure by Chinese officials, visited China for official meetings on the Afghan peace process and counter-terrorism issues. After the negotiations between the Taliban and the United States in Doha faltered in September 2019, China tried to fill the void by inviting Baradar again to participate in a two-day, intra-Afghan conference in Beijing. It was originally scheduled for Oct. 29 and 30 of that year. It was postponed at least twice, in October and November, before China and ultimately the world plunged into the COVID-19 crisis. The meeting never took place.

China’s keen and active engagement with the Taliban reveals Beijing’s deepening perception of the group’s critical role in Afghanistan after the U.S. troop withdrawal. During his meeting with Baradar last month, Wang publicly described the Taliban as “a crucial military and political force in Afghanistan that is expected to play an important role in the peace, reconciliation, and reconstruction process of the country.” This was the first time that any Chinese official publicly recognized the Taliban as a legitimate political force in Afghanistan, a significant gesture that will boost the group’s domestic and international standing. As Chinese officials battle a reputation for cozying up to the Afghan Taliban — designated a terrorist organization by Canada, Russia, and others — it is important for them to justify the rationale for their engagement.

Wang did not forget to diss Washington in the meeting with the Taliban: He emphasized “the failed U.S. policy on Afghanistan” and encouraged the Afghan people to stabilize and develop their country without foreign interference. Although the United States was not the focus of the meeting, Chinese officials did draw a contrast between what they consider America’s selective approach to Afghan politics and China’s “benevolent” role by virtue of its self-proclaimed noninterference principle and amical approach to all political forces in Afghanistan.

The third aspect of Wang’s message focused on the demand that the Taliban “sever all ties with all terrorist organizations, including the East Turkestan Islamic Movement,” a Muslim separatist group founded by militant Uighurs. Although many have questioned the existence of the organization, and the Trump administration removed it from the U.S. Terrorist Exclusion List last November, the presence of Uighur militants in Afghanistan and their political aspirations are real. This issue has been a priority for Chinese officials in their dealings with all political forces in Afghanistan. In fact, without the Taliban’s public promise in July not to harbor any group hostile to China, it is questionable whether Chinese officials would have issued such a high-profile recognition of the Taliban as a legitimate political force at all.

China’s Balancing Diplomacy

While the Taliban delegation’s recent visit to Beijing has garnered much publicity, less attention was paid to what happened just prior to it. Twelve days before, General Secretary Xi Jinping had a phone conversation with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani. Xi emphasized “China’s firm support of the Afghan government to maintain the nation’s sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity.” The call highlighted that not only does China still recognize Ghani’s government as the legitimate representative of Afghanistan, but that Beijing also has pledged its support to Ghani in relation to the peace process and much-needed COVID-19 relief, at least for the time being.

There are different views in China over the likely outcome of the conflict between the Taliban and the Afghan government. Although many analysts assess that the Taliban will eventually prevail, some prominent Chinese experts have argued that the group’s victory is “only one of the possibilities” and that its territorial advances have been exaggerated. Even if many signs point to potential victory by the Taliban, the nature and timing of that event remain to be seen. For the Chinese government, uncertainty about the future of Afghan politics underscores the need for a balanced approach that maintains ties with both sides, as perfectly illustrated by Xi’s phone call with Ghani and Wang’s meeting with the Taliban.

As long as the civil war in Afghanistan persists, the Chinese government will continue to pursue this diplomatic balancing act as the best way to promote its interests. Indeed, China needs both the Afghan government and the Taliban to help protect the security of Chinese assets and nationals on the ground, as well as to combat organizations such as the East Turkestan Islamic Movement. In the event the Taliban and Afghan government end up in a prolonged stalemate, China also desires to play the role of a mediator — even if outsiders see it more as a facilitator — which requires China not to pick a side.

A China-Taliban Romance?

The meeting between Wang and the Taliban delegation was not all cozy. And China’s budding relationship with the group comes with conditions. Wang told his visitors — in a style reminiscent of a lecture — that they need to “build a positive image and pursue an inclusive policy.” The implied message is that if the Taliban enact draconian measures again, this will inevitably affect China’s stance toward them. Indeed, some Chinese experts have called for the Taliban to make more changes in their policies in order to modernize and pursue a moderate direction. The Taliban’s ability and willingness to do so will determine the depth and breadth of China’s future engagement with them.

Chinese officials have felt a growing need to curry favor with the Taliban as the security situation in Afghanistan and the surrounding region has deteriorated. On June 19, the Chinese Foreign Ministry issued a rare warning calling for all Chinese nationals and entities in Afghanistan to “evacuate as soon as possible” in anticipation of intensified fighting in the country. Two days after the Wang-Taliban meeting, the Foreign Ministry issued the same warning once again. In neighboring Pakistan, three high-profile attacks against Chinese nationals have been launched in the last four months: the April 22 bombing of a hotel in Quetta where the Chinese ambassador was staying, a bus explosion in Kohistan that killed nine Chinese engineers in mid-July, and the shooting in Karachi of a car carrying Chinese engineers on the same day the Taliban delegation met with Wang. The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the Quetta attack and analysts also suspected that it is culpable in the other attacks. Some Chinese experts have warned that the security vacuum created by the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan could lead to an intensification of violence against Chinese nationals in the region. Hence, Chinese officials will likely see a need to rely on the Afghan Taliban not to target China, as well as to help influence or rein in those who might.

The relationship is born of necessity rather than preference. Many Chinese officials and analysts have doubts about how modernized the Afghan Taliban will ever be. Although some in China assess that the Taliban have become more pragmatic, there is no guarantee for what their policy will look like, especially regarding relations with radical Islamic organizations in the region. In addition, even if the core of the Taliban adopts a neutral, or even friendly, policy toward China, whether it could rein in all of the group’s radical factions remains a major question. Chinese officials don’t see many choices other than working with the Afghan Taliban, but the relationship will be complex, and its course will be determined by numerous factors in the months and years ahead.

Economics Not Yet an Incentive

The Taliban have openly welcomed Chinese investment in the reconstruction of Afghanistan and have indicated they would guarantee the safety of investors and workers from China. However, China is unlikely to lunge into Afghanistan with major investment in the foreseeable future. There has consistently been a disconnect between Chinese rhetoric regarding Afghanistan’s economic potential and the actual scale of Chinese commercial projects in the country. In 2019, the Chinese ambassador to Afghanistan emphasized the important role Afghanistan could play in China’s Belt and Road Initiative as well as in Chinese-Pakistani-Afghan regional economic integration. Nevertheless, that rosy picture is not supported by the actual data. For the first six months of 2021, total Chinese foreign direct investment in Afghanistan was only $2.4 million, and the value of new service contracts signed was merely $130,000. That suggests that the number of Chinese companies and workers in Afghanistan is declining significantly. For the whole of 2020, total Chinese foreign direct investment in Afghanistan was $4.4 million, less than 3 percent of that type of Chinese investment in Pakistan, which was $110 million for the same year.

China has been burned badly in its investments in Afghanistan. Its two major projects to date — the Amu Darya basin oil project by China’s largest state-owned oil company, China National Petroleum Corporation, and the Aynak copper mine by state-owned China Metallurgical Group Corporation and the Jiangxi Copper Company Limited — have both been ill fated. The challenges have included archeological excavation that halted the progress of the Aynak copper mine, security threats, and renegotiation of terms as well as the challenges of resettling local residents. Among these, political instability and security threats have been the top concerns. As long as the security environment remains unstable, China is unlikely to launch major economic projects in Afghanistan. The American troop presence there was not the factor hindering Chinese economic activities. In fact, Chinese companies had benefited from the stability that U.S. troops provided. Therefore, the U.S. withdrawal is unlikely to encourage major Chinese investment.

Walking a Tightrope


In anticipation of prolonged conflict in Afghanistan, Beijing is trying to strike a balance in its diplomacy toward the Afghan government and the Taliban. Chinese officials’ recent recognition of the Taliban as a legitimate political force is significant. However, the prospects for that relationship remain uncertain as the Taliban’s future policies are unclear. China has the capacity to play a bigger role in the country economically, but a willingness to do so will only emerge when there are signs of sustainable stability. China has been weaving a net of bilateral, trilateral (China, Pakistan, and Afghanistan), and multilateral engagements to encourage that stability. If stability does not emerge in the foreseeable future, China most likely will avoid deep economic involvement in Afghanistan and will work with both the Afghan government and the Taliban to protect its interests on the ground.

https://warontherocks.com/2021/08/a-...h-the-taliban/
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Karl
08-11-2021, 12:53 AM
I can't see the Taliban getting on with anti God Red China. Afghanistan is rich in mineral resources and it will need to buddy up to a super power if it wants to survive. Russia is probably the best candidate as there are Christian and Muslim states and it is very close to Afghanistan. USA is far away and very Zionist and culturally, politically, morally and ideologically manipulating and seething with cultural Marxist wokes-- probably the most obnoxious country on Earth.
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سيف الله
08-18-2021, 09:40 PM
Salaam

Very distressing to see, there are no good choices, all these choices are unpalpatable.

Having said that compared to other Muslim countries I think they will at least give them shelter and wont force them to go back to one of the worse fates imaginable.

The hard reality :(



Having said that, this 'pragmatic' approach wont work without you debasing yourself in the process - if China is capable of doing this evil to Muslims (and their techniques are already being copied more or less abroad) what makes you think they wont do this to you in the future. Are they the really the kind of 'friend' you want?

Tidbit from history.

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سيف الله
08-19-2021, 08:59 AM
Salaam

Another update.

Taiwan is Nervous

And China not only knows it, it is openly mocking the fears of “the secessionists” in the aftermath of the US collapse in Afghanistan. From Global Times, the English-language Chinese newspaper that should be on your list of daily reads these days.
“Yesterday’s Saigon, today’s Afghanistan, and tomorrow’s Taiwan?” read some online posts by internet users in the island of Taiwan, implying that the so-called alliance that Taiwan has forged with the US is nothing but an empty promise that will eventually “leave the Taiwan people hurting alone.”

An Op-Ed in local Taiwan news site udn.com said that the unexpected end in Afghanistan has “shocked” US allies and partners, who have become wary of putting the safety of Taiwan in the hands of the US, as the latter may pull the same tricks played in Kabul.

The US withdrawal from Afghanistan will also have a global impact, especially weighing on its image and credibility, the Op-Ed in a Taipei-based news site said, as Washington’s strength in maintaining the global order will be challenged, and the power confrontation in the Indo-Pacific Strategy targeting China will be questioned.

“They should say the day before yesterday, Vietnam, yesterday, Taiwan and today, Afghanistan. Wasn’t the island abandoned by the US in 1979?” Chang Ching, a research fellow at the Society for Strategic Studies based in the island, told the Global Times on Monday.

As part of its latest efforts to play the “Taiwan card” in countering China, the Biden administration recently announced it would hold a virtual Summit for Democracy, which excited the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) authority of Taiwan. Since taking office in January, US President Joe Biden has taken various measures to demonstrate its deterrent against China, such as deploying military aircraft to the island, sending warships across the Taiwan Straits several times and dispatching senior officials to visit the island, blatantly playing the “Taiwan card” to ruffle China’s feathers.

However, the failure of the US in Afghanistan should serve as a warning to the secessionists in the island, who have to understand that they cannot count on Washington, as Afghanistan is not the first place where the US abandoned its allies, nor will it be the last, experts warned….

The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told the Global Times on Monday.

Furthermore, the US has never promised to send troops if a military conflict occurs across the Taiwan Straits, and only said that it would sell weapons to Taiwan to increase its military strength, Chang noted.

The US retreat from Afghanistan has taught the island of Taiwan an important lesson, that is, the cross-Straits relations must be resolved by Taiwan itself, as the US may choose to abandon the island at any time according to its own core interests, Chang Ya-chung, a Taipei-based political scientist and member of the Kuomintang, told the Global Times on Monday.

GLOBAL TIMES, August 16, 2021
Translation: Cut a deal while you still can. The US military isn’t going to even try to stop us, so we will take the island whenever we decide we’re willing to pay the price.

UPDATE: With some amazingly bad judgement that is only exceeded by his astonishingly poor timing, a presumably senile US Senator appears to have just handed China a casus belli to invade Taiwan. On Twitter, of all places.

A senior US senator, also a member of US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, on his social media revealed that the US has 30,000 soldiers stationed in China’s Taiwan island. Chinese experts said if this is true, it is a military invasion and occupation of China’s Taiwan and equivalent to the US declaring war on China.

If the tweet is correct, China could immediately activate Anti-Secession Law to destroy and expel US troops in Taiwan and reunify Taiwan militarily, experts noted.

In the tweet, Senator John Cornyn listed the number of US troops stationed in South Korea, Germany, Japan, China’s Taiwan and on the African continent to show how the number of US soldiers has dwindled in Afghanistan. But in the process, Cornyn revealed the shocking news that there are 30,000 US troops in China’s Taiwan island.

His tweet raised a wave of doubts among netizens with many commenting below his tweet: “how come the US still has troops in Taiwan,” “so the US army has a secret division in Taiwan,” “Cornyn must have mistaken the number,” and “this should have been before 1979.”

As a senior senator from Texas, who was once a Republican Senate Majority Whip for the 114th and 115th Congresses, and now a member of US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Cornyn should be aware of the US government’s military intelligence.

Thus, the possibility that the US is hiding 30,000 troops in China’s Taiwan island cannot be ruled out, and there is a probability the secret was accidentally spilled out by this senior US politician, Chinese observers said. As we know, the US has maintained military communications with China’s Taiwan including weapon sales and military trainings.

GLOBAL TIMES, August 17, 2021
If there are US troops present on Taiwan island, China will crush them by force: Global Times editorial

“If that is true, the Chinese government and the Chinese people will never accept it. It is believed that China will immediately put the Anti-Secession Law into use, destroy and expel US troops in Taiwan by military means, and at the same time realize reunification by force.”

I wish I could say that even the converged gay generals in the Pentagon couldn’t possibly be that stupid. But as unlikely and as ridiculous as a secret stash of US troops on Taiwan sounds, it’s exactly the sort of Smart Boy strategery that laid the foundation for the recent Afghan debacle.

https://voxday.net/page/2/


6 Reasons the US Will Abandon Taiwan


The Chinese government does not appear to be impressed by the response of Taiwan President Tsai or the US government to the recent US surrender to the Taliban in Afghanistan.
On Wednesday, Taiwan’s regional leader Tsai Ing-wen finally made a speech on the panic on the island triggered by Afghanistan’s situation. She declared that Taiwan’s only option is to make itself stronger, more united and more determined to defend itself. Just before Tsai’s speech, US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on Tuesday responded to whether the US will abandon Taiwan. He said that “When it comes to Taiwan, it is a fundamentally different question in a different context” and the US’ “commitment” to Taiwan remains “as strong as it’s ever been.”

The statements of Sullivan and Tsai show the rapid collapse of the US-supported Afghan government has brought a real shock to the island. Both Washington and Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) authorities are diffident about this, and they believe it is necessary to calm the doubts.

However, the empty words of Sullivan and Tsai were predictable. They would inevitably say so, and had to say so. As to whether Taiwan will show resistance when the mainland uses force to unify the island one day, they did not offer any convincing additional information.

Will the US abandon Taiwan? Fundamentally speaking, this is a matter of time and situation, and it will not be decided by a few elites in the US and Taiwan. We believe that as long as the mainland’s strength continues to grow, and as long as it prepares fully for military struggles and has a firm will to unify, then there is no doubt the US is doomed to eventually abandon Taiwan.
The six reasons provided are convincing, perhaps even conclusive. Regardless, it is clear that there is no possibility that the USA is going to go to war to defend Taiwan from China under any circumstances. While it’s true that the US commitment to Taiwan is “as strong as it’s ever been”, all that means is that the US was never intending to defend the island in the first place. Forget Afghanistan, the US doesn’t even defend its own borders these days.

The concept of “strategic uncertainty” only works as long as the opponent is genuinely uncertain about one’s intentions. And China, correctly, is now certain that the USA won’t do anything to prevent the inevitable annexation of what China has always considered to be a rebel province. At this point, it’s more uncertain that the US troops would even fight to defend South Korea in the event of a North Korean attack.

The shock and awe of Desert Storm has long since dissipated. The monopolar world is no more. And even if it takes a decade or more for the Israel-First imperialists in the USA to admit it, this is the reality of modern geopolitics.

Of course, all of this obscures the larger issue that absolutely no one in the media presently dares to discuss. Since the US military can’t, and won’t, defend Afghanistan, since it can’t, and won’t, defend Ukraine, if it can’t, and won’t, defend Taiwan, is it still even able to defend its greatest ally, Israel? While there is no question that all the neoclowns and their pet politicians are more than willing to have it do so, it is the question of its capabilities that is the much more relevant one.

https://voxday.net/2021/08/19/6-reas...bandon-taiwan/
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سيف الله
08-21-2021, 09:59 PM
Salaam

Not hard to believe.



Detainee says China has secret jail for Uighurs – in Dubai

Woman says she was held for days at a Chinese-run secret detention facility in Dubai along with at least two Uighurs.


A young Chinese woman says she was held for eight days at a Chinese-run secret detention facility in Dubai along with at least two Uighurs, in what may be the first evidence that China is operating a so-called “black site” beyond its borders.

The woman, Wu Huan, 26, was on the run to avoid extradition back to China because her fiancé was considered a Chinese dissident. Wu told The Associated Press she was abducted from a hotel in Dubai and detained by Chinese officials at a villa converted into a jail, where she saw or heard two other prisoners, both Uighurs.

She was questioned and threatened and forced to sign legal documents incriminating her fiancé Wang Jingyu, 19, for harassing her, she said. She was finally released on June 8 and is now seeking asylum in the Netherlands.

While “black sites” are common in China, Wu’s account is the only testimony known to experts that Beijing has set one up in another country. Such a site would reflect how China is increasingly using its international clout to detain or bring back citizens it wants from overseas, whether they are dissidents, corruption suspects, or ethnic minorities such as the Uighurs.

Uighurs extradited

The AP was unable to confirm or disprove Wu’s account independently, and she could not pinpoint the exact location of the black site. However, reporters have seen and heard corroborating evidence, including stamps in her passport, a phone recording of a Chinese official asking her questions, and text messages that she sent from jail to a pastor helping the couple.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said: “What I can tell you is that the situation the person talked about is not true.” Dubai did not respond to multiple phone calls and requests for comment.

Yu-Jie Chen, an assistant professor at Taiwan’s Academia Sinica, said she had not heard of a Chinese secret jail in Dubai, and such a facility in another country would be unusual. However, she also noted it would be in keeping with China’s attempts to do all it can to bring select citizens back, both through official means such as signing extradition treaties and unofficial means such as revoking visas or putting pressure on family back home.

“[China] really wasn’t interested in reaching out until recent years,” said Chen, who has tracked China’s international legal actions.

Chen said Uighurs in particular were being extradited or returned to China, which has been detaining the mostly Muslim minority on suspicion of “terrorism” even for relatively harmless acts such as praying. Wu and her fiancé are Han Chinese, the majority ethnicity in China.

Dubai has a history as a place where Uighurs are interrogated and deported back to China, and activists say Dubai itself has been linked to secret interrogations.

Radha Stirling, a legal advocate who founded the advocacy group Detained in Dubai, says she has worked with about a dozen people who have reported being held in villas in the UAE, including citizens of Canada, India and Jordan, but not China.

“There is no doubt that the UAE has detained people on behalf of foreign governments with whom they are allied,” Stirling said. “I don’t think they would at all shrug their shoulders to a request from such a powerful ally.”

However, Patrick Theros, a former US ambassador to Qatar who is now strategic adviser to the Gulf International Forum, called the allegations “totally out of character” for the Emiratis.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...-holds-uighurs
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سيف الله
08-25-2021, 09:04 PM
Salaam

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I'm the Department Head of the Occidentology Department **of The Quran Institute

Date: 6th August 2021

Organised by the Darman Foundation, Uyghur Spirit Youth Conference 2021


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سيف الله
09-02-2021, 01:59 PM
Salaam

Another update.



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سيف الله
09-02-2021, 10:03 PM
Salaam

Hmmmm I understand the need to economic investment and rebuilding but from the Chinese? Lets hope they dont gain too much 'leverage' over your country and society (dont want to end up in the same position as other countries eg Pakistan).

Afghanistan: Taliban to rely on Chinese funds, spokesperson says

With the help of China, the Taliban will fight for an economic comeback in Afghanistan, Zabihullah Mujahid tells Italian newspaper.


Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid has told an Italian newspaper that the group will rely primarily on financing from China following the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan and its takeover of the country.

In his interview published by La Repubblica on Thursday, Mujahid said the Taliban will fight for an economic comeback with the help of China.

The Taliban seized control of Afghanistan’s capital, Kabul, on August 15 as the country’s Western-backed government melted away, bringing an end to 20 years of war amid fears of an economic collapse and widespread hunger.

Following the chaotic departure of foreign troops from Kabul airport in recent weeks, Western states have severely restricted their aid payments to Afghanistan.

“China is our most important partner and represents a fundamental and extraordinary opportunity for us, because it is ready to invest and rebuild our country,” the Taliban spokesperson was quoted as saying in the interview.

He said the New Silk Road – an infrastructure initiative with which China wants to increase its global influence by opening up trade routes – was held in high regard by the Taliban.

There are “rich copper mines in the country, which, thanks to the Chinese, can be put back into operation and modernised. In addition, China is our pass to markets all over the world.”

Mujahid also confirmed that women would be allowed to continue studying at universities in future. He said women would be able to work as nurses, in the police or as assistants in ministries, but ruled out that there would be female ministers.

Afghanistan desperately needs money, and the Taliban is unlikely to get swift access to the roughly $10bn in assets here mostly held abroad by the Afghan central bank.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...kesperson-says

Fair comment.



A good test will be whether the IEA will follow the Chinese propoganda line on whats happening to the Uighurs.

Oh dear



Having said that their position is better than other Muslim governments, and I understand he doesnt want more conflict and realitically there is not much they can do other than protest or provide shelter, but still beyond disappointing.

Bigger picture.


How China became the world’s factory


How did China evolve from an impoverished, agrarian society into the industrial power we know today?

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سيف الله
09-05-2021, 11:41 PM
Salaam

Another update

First They Shut Down Big Tech

Now China is gunning for the Hellmouth:

In a dramatic turn for the major studios, Hollywood’s share of China’s box office is in free fall, reportedly collapsing to less than 10 percent as Beijing aims to bolster its domestic movie industry while continuing to block major Hollywood releases from playing in Chinese cinemas.

The result is a potential existential crisis for Hollywood, which has bent over backwards to please China’s Communist dictators in the hopes of maintaining access to the lucrative Chinese market.

But the reverse has happened. Hollywood’s share of the China box office market has plummeted to just 9.5 percent so far this year, according to data from consultancy Artisan Gateway, as reported by Variety.

The stark decline comes as Hollywood imports are being edged out by domestic releases.

Last year, only two Hollywood releases cracked China’s top-ten grossing movies — Tenet and The Croods: A New Age. For 2019, only Avengers: Endgame and Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw made the top-ten list. A decade ago, Hollywood accounted for eight of China’s top-ten grossing movies.

Chinese audiences are instead gravitating toward home-grown movies in larger numbers, lifting the time-traveling comedy Hi, Mom and the buddy-cop adventure Detective Chinatown 3 to blockbuster status. Meanwhile, recent Hollywood titles like Disney-Pixar’s Luca and Disney’s Raya and the Last Dragon have failed to resonate with local audiences.

Even Universal’s dependable Fast & Furious franchise, which has been enormously popular in China, is showing signs of fatigue. The latest installment, F9, saw its China grosses plummet in the second week by a stunning 85 percent.

Hollywood’s decline in China comes as the Communist country has overtaken the United States to become the world’s largest movie market.
If you think it’s an accident that China increasingly appears to be targeting the neoclown strongholds in the USA, well, you’re not paying attention. It’s obvious that China is not so much focusing its “unrestricted warfare” on the USA per se anymore as on a specific and influential foreign demographic. My guess is that the media will be next, followed by Wall Street.

Believe it or not, there is not only considerably more freedom in the Chinese media than in the US media – by which I mean there are far fewer no-go zones – the rules are considerably more coherent and stable. Remember, I’ve not only been interviewed on Chinese state TV about trade and cryptocurrencies, I was asked more than once to return, most likely because both my predictions – contra the other experts – were correct. Do you think that would ever happen on Fox, CBS, ESPN, or even the Disney Channel?

Remember, China’s primary goal is to be left to their own devices. And their increasing engagement with the West appears to have taught them that unlike China, the USA is not a nation.

https://voxday.net/2021/08/29/first-...down-big-tech/
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سيف الله
11-13-2021, 08:03 PM
Salaam

Never forget.





Some history.



Previous protests.



Protests in the UK today.







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Murid
11-13-2021, 08:33 PM
:salam:
:bism:

I would recommend propagating sunnah duas and dhikr (and estegfar and shukr) to the Uygurs, so that they get more of bounties, Divine protection, barakah, mercy, help inshaAllah.

It is very hard in my opinion to help them otherwise. Help them with your duas.
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سيف الله
12-21-2021, 02:04 PM
Salaam

Another update.



We need to look at China to understand the terrible danger of Prevent

Prevent Watch’s Head of Research, Alim Islam, compares China’s counter-extremism policies to those in the UK and concludes they only differ in degree and scale.

In 2019, it emerged that UK counter-extremism “experts” had been working with China on “best practice” to demonstrate the use of “counter extremism” policies. This venture was funded by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

The counter-extremism “think tank” the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), ran a two-day event at taxpayers’ expense about “countering the root causes of violent extremism undermining growth and stability in China’s Xinjiang Region” and “to demonstrate the effectiveness of UK best practice in CVE and identify ways this can be adopted in China”.

At the time, Senior Associate Fellow Raffaello Pantucci claimed that RUSI was in China “to use British experts to influence Chinese policies” and that this had happened before the “situation in Xinjiang worsened.” The conference happened in December 2016.

Although news of China’s “re-education” camps for its Muslim Uyghur people were officially documented by the UN, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch in 2018, Human Rights Watch reported that the incarceration and “re-education” of Muslim Uyghur people began in May 2014, driven by China’s Strike Hard Campaign.

With Pantucci and his colleagues at RUSI and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office visiting China in 2016, two years after the inception of this programme of “re-education” of Muslims through incarceration, surely they must have known about it?

Since then, Beijing’s “re-education” of Muslims has included allegations of systemic rape, physical and other sexual abuse, to force the relinquishment of religion.

It is secularism at its most rabid, and its engine is a programme of surveillance, data gathering and sharing to target individuals, their families and networks of friends and associates. It’s particularly shocking missionary zeal turns on the fulcrum of education, or more precisely “re-education.”

The reports from China are shocking. But how is their programme different from what happens in the UK? Are the methods shared and their outcomes different simply in degree and scale? If so, what does this mean for the UK?

Prevent’s collection and retention of data on children

Government figures released in November 2021 for the period April 2020 to March 2021 showed 4,915 people were referred to Prevent. This is a decrease from the 6,287 referrals, likely due to the coronavirus pandemic. It is the lowest number of referrals since the year ending March 2016.

Of the ages from those referred who were known, the age category of 15-20 made up the highest proportion of individuals referred, that being 1,398 young people, or 29%. Referrals from the police accounted for 36% of referrals, the highest proportion.

Despite schools being closed for much of the year, the education sector still accounted for 25% of referrals. Individuals under the age of 15 accounted for 20% of referrals.

However, these Prevent referrals do not include instances where a child has been subjected to Prevent-type questioning, where they have been asked about their religious and political beliefs, but no formal referral has been made. Based on cases Prevent Watch has worked on, these non-referrals can have the same chilling effect and trauma as a referral.

The Prevent budget since the financial year 2015/16 has been an average of £44m a year. While the budget for Prevent has remained similar since this time, there have been wholesale cuts to healthcare.

For example, in the same period of time public health grants have been cut by 24%, approximately £1 billion. One question that arises is whether spending money on a failed policy is the best way to use the public purse.

Schools as Britain’s collecting points of data on Muslim children

Prevent stipulates that schools are required to teach British values under Prevent. Indeed, schools are a primary site of both British “re-education” and surveillance.

When an 8-year-old Muslim boy was separated from his classmates and – without his parents or any caring adult guardian – asked about Islam, the mosque he attends, whether he prays, his views on other religions, as well as being asked to recite verses from the Quran, Pantucci – from RUSI that advised China on CE policy – said that he “understood” why this would be necessary.

When a mother of three children under the age of 8 years old approached Prevent Watch for assistance, she told us that she had been so traumatised by the intrusion that she could not leave her home for two months. Her children had been approached by Prevent and questioned at school.

“The officer gestured with his finger that I should not even try to enter the room where they were interviewing my children,” she said. “The social worker was present, but he made no attempt to inform me about the process, nor did he appear to consider the impact on my children.”

For any child – let alone three siblings – to be put in such a situation based on imprecise, unclear, and indefinite meanings of “extremism” and “radicalisation,” which have been criticised by the courts, is naturally the cause of great anxiety to parents, and deeply damaging to trust.

As the mother told us: “I was not informed about what my children were being questioned about, and the nature of the questions. I was very concerned whether my children had understood the questions. I was also really worried that they had been asked misleading questions or had been unduly pressured.”

Application of Prevent might be lawful in letter but it is lawless in nature. It allows police to be involved where no crime is evident, even in cases of children. Children are criminalised and their data is collected.

Difficulty removing names from databases

The mother in the case above told Prevent Watch that she received the report outlining the “concerns” that Prevent had about her children (all under the age of eight) nearly five months later.

At that point, she found that her information and that of her children had been shared and discussed among different public authorities to assess whether intervention via the government’s flagship “deradicalisation” programme, Channel, needed to take place.

This had all happened without her knowledge. Neither she or her husband had been given the opportunity to challenge the process or see the data collected on them or their children, understand how it was being interpreted or know with whom it would be shared.

After three years of a protracted and frustrating complaints process to the local authority, the chief concern of both parents remains centred on how the retention of their data has impacted their children and will continue to impact their lives.

Much of their concern is centred on what data has been collected on them, how it is being interpreted by algorithms, with whom it is being shared, and how long it will take to be removed.

These concerns are justified. Our cases show repeatedly that the data collected through Prevent, often on young people who may be subject to questioning without parental consent or presence, is difficult to challenge or access except in a few isolated cases.

In one such case, had the parents not taken legal action to clear their son’s name after no concerns were raised, their son’s data would have been retained for at least six years under the police’s national retention assessment criteria (NRAC) policy, which does not differentiate between records of adults and children.

This means a Prevent interview or referral is a means of gathering data on Muslim children and placing this data on criminal record databases – in the case linked above, parents were shocked to discover their primary school-aged son’s name was not just on one database, but he was on ten.

In this case, when asked, the police refused to give any reassurance to the parents that their son’s records would not be used again, and they said they could not guarantee that the data would not feature in any criminal record checks.

This, even though there had been no concerns of “extremism” or “radicalisation.”

In cases of adults, Prevent Watch has documented several cases where data collection and retention are having a serious impact on lives, including a young adult who had his position at college withdrawn after information was shared between his secondary school and the college about his Prevent referral, despite nothing coming of it.

Islamophobia and algorithm prediction

When data is collected and retained with the aggressiveness pursued by Prevent it is providing an opportunity through which data on individuals – often young – is being trawled, collated and interpreted.

This creates a sort of new tyranny – that of “big data” – under which people must live with the knowledge that they are under the perpetual trawling of dubious algorithms.

The first test case for this “new normal” are Muslims: a recent article in Vox highlighted the intensely Islamophobic nature of artificial intelligence (AI), the so-called “brain” behind the algorithms that sort and “interpret” data, and – most troublingly – which are now being used to problematise behaviour and predict crime, all under the banner of “counter extremism.”

Prevent’s debunked escalator theory, more commonly known as the conveyor belt theory, according to a report by the Joint Human Rights Commission, “rests on the assumption that there is an escalator which starts with religious conservatism and ends with support for violent jihadism.”

However, the term “religious conservatism” is problematic; it is subjectively interpreted and often through a lens of fear and misunderstanding of Islam.

Records revealed by CNN showed that Muslims in China were sent to a detention facility for simply “wearing a veil” or growing “a long beard.”

Prevent Watch has cases where women have been reported upon starting to wear a head covering, and indeed, one Prevent training slide deck produced by the Home Office features a woman who adopts more modest dress as a cause of “concern” and “vulnerable to extremism.”

Data is difficult to remove from the surveillance state


Human Rights Watch reports that Beijing’s predictive policing programme, the IJOP is fed by aggressive data collection, including “DNA samples, fingerprints, iris scans, and blood types of all residents between the age of 12 and 65” particularly of Uyghur Muslims.

Like in the UK, “it is unclear exactly how authorities are using the biometrics, but the amount of information they have on people is enough to frighten many… particularly given that they have no ability to challenge the collection, use, distribution, or retention of this data”.

According to HRW, procurement notices for IJOP show that it is supplied by the Xinjiang Lianhai Cangzhi Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, a major state-owned military contractor in China, which built the big data program to “collate citizens’ everyday behaviour and flag unusual activities to predict terrorism.”

Journalists should be encouraged to investigate links between these companies and entities in the UK. Like Prevent, the IJOP is an integrated, multi-agency operation. It is sold to the public in terms of patriotism (recall: “British values”) and keeping people safe, but it is a military programme.

All of this should also point us not primarily at Islamophobia and the need to get rid of Prevent, but to the deeper and more long-term question of big data, who regulates it, and how it is used?

For now, urgent questions must be asked about what accountability mechanisms are being put in place to check programmers and others who are deciding for us who “might be” a criminal within the toxic framework of Prevent and “counter extremism,” especially when these are our children.

https://5pillarsuk.com/2021/12/21/we...er-of-prevent/
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سيف الله
10-26-2022, 11:43 AM
Salaam

Another update.

Xi is in Complete Control

You may recall a few weeks ago that the globalist media was excitedly reporting that mysterious events in China, particularly around Beijing, possibly indicated that a coup against President Xi was taking place. You may also recall that I told you the idea President Xi’s control over the Party and the government was slipping was complete nonsense; the Chinese leader is not only very smart and extremely effective, but is far more popular with his people than are any of the political leaders across the former West.

And now, it is obvious to everyone that Xi is not only going to continue calling the shots, but is strong enough to continue rooting out the remnants of the pro-globalist faction in China:

Former general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), Hu Jintao, was forcibly escorted out of the 20th Chinese Communist Party National Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing by Kong Shaoxun, the deputy director of the General Office of the CPC Central Committee, moments before the de-facto Emperor of China, Xi Jingping, was re-elected to another five-year term on Saturday.

At the first plenary session of the CCP’s 20th Central Committee on Sunday, Xi hinted at his intraparty purges that have made him the most authoritarian leader of China since Mao Zedong.

“Driven by a strong sense of mission, we have resolved to offend a few thousand rather than fail 1.4 billion and to clear out the party of all its ills. We’ve used a combination of measures to take out tigers, swat flies, and hunt down foxes, punishing corrupt officials of all types,” Xi said.

A video shows that Jintao was involuntarily escorted from the auditorium during the last day of congress on Saturday.

He refused assistance from a CCP aid and attempted to pick up a document on the table, an action which the paramount leader of China stopped by when he placed his hand on the document.

Another high-ranking CCP member to the left of Jintao was seen almost getting up from his seat before his companion next to him tapped him on the back to sit back down.
It’s hard to exaggerate the significance of this public arrest of Hu Jintao. Hu has been one of the leaders of the pro-globalist faction in China for decades. He was supposed to be the architect of the transition of the seat of The Empire That Never Ended from Washington DC to Beijing.

This probably signifies some massive changes coming soon, although what they will be is hard to say. Regardless, expect to see the anti-Russian emphasis in the media to shift soon to an anti-Chinese one, as China is by far the more serious threat to the tottering globalist world order.

https://voxday.net/2022/10/25/xi-is-...plete-control/

The Empire Flees China

You won’t be told what’s actually happening by the globalist media, and you definitely won’t be told why it is happening. But their coverage of events is usually sufficient to alert the informed observer as to what is actually going on.

As the FT writes, today, “thousands of wealthy people across China are headed for the exits as President Xi Jinping secures a third term, making him and the ruling Chinese Communist party even stronger than before.”

Recall that just hours after Xi not only was declared dictator for life but unceremoniously and in full view of the entire world had his centrist, globalist and pro-reform predecessor Hu Zintao escorted out of the building, guaranteeing that the rest of his rule will be a radical departure from heretofore accepted norms, and calling for the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation” based on revitalizing the CCP’s role as the economic, social, and cultural leader, Chinese stocks cratered to multi-decade lows and the yuan plunged to a record low as the growing realization of the horror that is coming swept across the land.

As a result, China’s wealthiest were met with market turmoil on Monday when Chinese stocks crashed the most since 2008. According to Bloomberg’s billionaire list, the 13 richest Chinese lost $12.7 billion in just one day after mounting fears about Xi’s consolidation of power. But of course, it wasn’t just them looking terrified at the glowing green color on their screens (as a reminder, in China stock colors are inverted as red means up and green means down): it was everyone.

In any case, as hundreds of millions of Chinese savers now scramble to move as much of their assets as far away off shore from the lunatic fringe in Beijing as possible, we have been flooded with reports that wealthy families across Hong Kong and China are at a “tipping point” about triggering so-called financial “fire escape plans” to avoid the wrath of Xi and CCP, according to David Lesperance, a Europe-based lawyer who works with elite Chinese businessmen and who spoke with Financial Times.

“Now that ‘the chairman’ is firmly in place . . . I have already received three ‘proceed’ instructions from various ultra-high net worth Chinese business families to execute their fire escape plans,” Lesperance said.
Ignore all the rhetoric and the neo-liberal economic assumptions and focus on what the various parties mentioned are doing. What’s actually taking place is that The Empire That Never Ended, which intended to transfer its global center of power from Washington DC to Beijing, has finally abandoned its attempts to do so.

Xi Xinping was seen as an impediment, not an implacable obstacle, but the confirmation of his continuing power in the CPC and his ongoing anti-corruption campaign means that the imperial plans for China have failed. Ukraine appears to be the backup plan, but that is failing too, thanks to the Russians and their stubborn refusal to submit to the imperial order.

https://voxday.net/2022/10/26/the-empire-flees-china/

Interesting coming from an Emirati account.



Usually they are quite subservient to Western interests but looks like that's coming to an end as geopolitical power balances shift, (hence shilling for China now).

China may not behave like Western powers at the moment but as their power and influence grow this will change.

One example.

Sri Lanka hands over port to China to pay off debt

Hambantota port was signed over to Beijing on a 99-year lease because Sri Lanka cannot repay Chinese loans it took out to build the port in the first place


https://www.thenationalnews.com/worl...-debt-1.684606
Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Finally hes gullible to think the Chinese are your friends or respect your culture and faith. Just PR and self interest, (eg. Uighur's, the point of this thread).

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سيف الله
02-27-2023, 10:34 AM
Salaam

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Blurb


Professor Haiyun Ma discusses the history of Islam & Muslims in China.

Haiyun Ma is a professor at Frostburg State University's Department of History. He is also the president of Zhenghe Forum that focuses on China-Muslim world relations. His scholarly work examines the history of Islam in China, as well as China’s relations with the Islamic world.

His articles, reviews, and opinion have appeared in Foreign Policy, Late Imperial China, Current Trends in Islamist Ideology, Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs, American Journal of Islamic Social Sciences, China Brief, and others. He is often sought by news outlets for commentaries on China, Asia, or Middle East topics, and has been quoted or interviewed by the New York Times, BBC, The Nation, Deutsche Welle, Associated Press, and The Independent.


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سيف الله
03-27-2023, 01:45 PM
Salaam

Dont forget.

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سيف الله
04-07-2023, 04:59 PM
Salaam

Like to share. Good intro into the plight of the Uyghurs.

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سيف الله
05-19-2023, 12:31 PM
Salaam

Another update

3 Different perspectives on China rise as a great power.

Not the Next Ukraine

Taiwan makes it clear that it has no intention of permitting Clown World to sacrifice it in the name of containing or deterring China.

Taiwan Minister of National Defense Chiu Kuo-cheng (邱國正) on Monday said that the armed forces would not tolerate the destruction of any Taiwanese facility, in response to a suggestion by U.S. Congressman Seth Moulton that the U.S. should warn China that it would “blow up” Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC) if it attacked Taiwan.

At a conference organized by the California-based think tank Milken Institute in May, Moulton was asked what deterrence effect U.S. chip policy could have on China, to which he responded, “the U.S. should make it very clear to the Chinese that if you invade Taiwan, we’re going to blow up TSMC.” U.S. defense policy advisor and former government official Michele Flournoy quickly countered his remark, saying that if TSMC was destroyed, there would be a “two trillion dollar impact on the global economy within the first year” and “you’d put manufacturing around the world at a standstill.”

Before a session of the Legislative Yuan on Monday, Chiu was asked by the media to comment on Moulton’s statement. Chiu said that anyone who wants to bomb any facility in Taiwan, regardless of whether it is meant for defensive purposes, has exceeded defense norms, reported Liberty Times. The defense minister said that the armed forces are responsible for defending Taiwan and its people, materials, and strategic resources. Therefore, “if they want to bomb this or that,” the armed forces will not tolerate this kind of situation, Chiu said.
It’s very much for the good of the people of Taiwan island that their leadership is taking this stand. No doubt they’ve seen what the foreign leadership of Ukraine has done to the people of Ukraine, and even the most rabid proponent of independence would prefer reunification to that.

I still anticipate that the reunification of Taiwan with the mainland will eventually be as peaceful as the reunification of Hong Kong proved to be. Sure, there will be protests and much criticism from the globalist media, but ultimately, it should be possible for both Chinese parties to accomplish the inevitable without war or even violence.

https://voxday.net/2023/05/13/not-the-next-ukraine/

A view from the Western establishment

Cold War II: Niall Ferguson on The Emerging Conflict With China

Niall Ferguson is the Milbank Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the author of numerous books, including Doom: The Politics of Catastrophe and Kissinger, 1923–1968: The Idealist.

In this conversation, we cover the conflict over Taiwan: why it’s a cold war, when it started, how to avoid allowing it to become a hot war, and how to de-escalate and even win it. Along the way, Ferguson discusses the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the role of the United States and Western Europe in both conflicts, and how we can avoid once again living under the threat of nuclear war as we did in Cold War I.





Finally a view from a Singaporean diplomat.

Is it too late for the US to contain China? | The Bottom Line

Is it futile to resist China’s superpower status? Is it time for the United States to live with it?

Depending on the answer, the world could be heading towards more stability – or chaos.

Kishore Mahbubani was a Singaporean diplomat for more than 30 years and served as president of the United Nations Security Council. He tells host Steve Clemons that the US should get accustomed to a multipolar world it can no longer dominate.

Mahbubani argues that the "Asian century" has already begun and that Washington should not allow issues such as Taiwan to ruin their relations.


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سيف الله
05-28-2023, 08:29 PM
Salaam

More on de-dollarisation

Blurb

De-dollarisation is fast expanding via bilateral, multilateral, and institutional arrangements. #China is looking to undo the nature of the #dollar matrix.



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سيف الله
05-30-2023, 08:08 PM
Salaam

Another update

Don’t Talk to Clown World

The Chinese have apparently decided that there is no point in talking to the United States. It would be reasonable to assume that they have reached the same conclusion as the Russians, which is that the governments of Clown World are agreement-incapable.

China has rejected Washington’s proposal that their respective defense chiefs meet this week, the Pentagon said on Monday. The news comes amid a renewed diplomatic spat between the two countries.

“Overnight, the PRC informed the US that they have declined our early May invitation for Secretary [Lloyd] Austin to meet with PRC Minister of National Defense Li Shangfu in Singapore,” the Pentagon said in a statement to the Wall Street Journal, referring to the People’s Republic of China.

“The Department believes strongly in the importance of maintaining open lines of military-to-military communication between Washington and Beijing to ensure that competition does not veer into conflict,” the statement read.

The WSJ cited an unnamed US defense official as saying that China’s dismissal was “an unusually blunt message.”

According to the report, the Pentagon had wanted the meeting to take place on the sidelines of the annual Shangri-La Dialogue security forum. Li will speak at the event as part of his trip to Singapore from May 31 to June 4, the Chinese Defense Ministry said. The Pentagon said last week that attempts to establish contacts with their Chinese counterparts in recent months have failed.
The Great Bifurcation of the global economy continues apace.

Whether one is operating at the international, the professional, or the personal level, it makes absolutely no sense to talk to parties one knows to be dishonest. Once you permit any communication whatsoever with a liar, a gaslighter, or a manipulator, they will do their utmost to use literally anything you say against you in some way. Moreover, if you engage with them directly, they can invent your words out of thin air and turn the situation into a “he said, she said” scenario that leaves you in retreat and on the defensive no matter what you actually say. Any engagement is inherently disadvantageous.

Once you have determined that the other side is a bad actor, do not engage with them at all, ideally, not even to tell them you will not talk to them. But if it is necessary to RSVP, such as in the case of international diplomatic relations or formal invitations to family events, then simply checking “no” and refusing to provide any explanation whatsoever is the correct action. Remember, an explanation is an invitation to argue, and is itself a form of engagement and communication.

Note the way in which the Chinese a) declined a specific invitation to meet with the Secretary of Defense with “an unusually blunt message” and b) have not permitted the Pentagon to “establish contacts” at all. This is very wise, as it prevents the US propaganda machine from spinning the Chinese response due to the fact that there is nothing to spin.

https://voxday.net/2023/05/30/dont-talk-to-clown-world/

Chinas exercising its influence.









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سيف الله
06-06-2023, 08:13 PM
Salaam

Very interesting.



The capitalists are revolting over China

Western hawks face an unlikely resistance

After marshalling Europe in its proxy war against Russia, America is now determined to repeat this success against China. Here, the consequences for Europe could be even more significant than the economic shock of the past year. Yet, despite a few grumbles from Macron and others, European leaders are largely playing along with this increasingly aggressive approach: at last week’s biannual US-EU Trade and Technology Council, both parties claimed to “see very much eye-to-eye” on the issue.

Below the surface, however, views are hardening against the EU’s efforts to emulate America’s hawkish approach, which includes economic decoupling (or “de-risking”, as it’s now called) and increasing Nato’s presence in the Indo-Pacific. Over the past four years, von der Leyen has worked tirelessly to keep Europe aligned with America’s aggressive geopolitical strategy, often appearing to prioritise Washington’s desires over Europe’s strategic interests. No wonder Politico dubbed her “Europe’s American president”.

On China, von der Leyen has taken an increasingly tough line, recently urging Europe to “de-risk” its relationship. The bloc’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, has echoed her tone, calling President Xi’s support of Russia “a blatant violation” of its UN commitments. Brussels is also devising a Sustainable Corporate Governance initiative, which would force European companies to ensure that EU social and human rights standards apply throughout their supply chain. Germany has already introduced a softer version of the rule, which currently applies only to 150 companies, though the number is set to rise to 15,000.

Already many European companies are pushing back against the measures, claiming that they place an excessive regulatory and bureaucratic burden on industry at a time of massive economic challenges. Unsurprisingly, German companies are leading the charge: China is the country’s largest trading partner, with total trade last year of nearly €300 billion. Europe’s economic powerhouse has already taken a heavy it from its decoupling from Russian gas and other commodities; with its economy in recession and an inflation rate of 7.2%, Germany cannot afford to lose China as well. The same can be said for the EU as a whole.

The fact that the von der Leyen insists on mimicking the American strategy despite the bloc’s deep interdependence with China highlights the extent to which the EU, wedded as it is to a subservient interpretation of the bloc’s relationship to the US, is now a threat to Europe’s core interests. As Wolfgang Münchau noted: “The EU economy is not built for Cold War-style relations because it has become too dependent on global supply chains… The underlying reality of modern-day Europe is that it cannot easily extricate itself from its relationship with China.”

In this context, it is hardly surprising that German businesses are pushing back against Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s call to weaken Germany’s economic relationship with China. Abandoning China is “unthinkable” for German industry, Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius said in April, in comments that echoed across the country’s boardrooms — from Siemens to BASF to BMW, all of which have vowed to continue investing in the country. “We won’t give up on China,” Volkswagen’s chief financial officer made clear.

Yet while similar views are being expressed in Italy and France, China’s other two largest trading partners in the EU, it remains unclear whether this will translate into a decisive shift in Europe’s official China policy. For now, most national and EU leaders seem more interested in pleasing the US establishment than thinking about Europe’s long-term economic and geopolitical interests. However, European business leaders can count on some powerful allies in the US — not in Washington, but among fellow capitalists.

For in America, a similar revolt is brewing over the administration’s decoupling with China. Despite the fraying of Sino-American relations at the political level, several American CEOs have continued to visit China. While the bosses of J.P. Morgan, Starbucks, GM and Apple have all flown in since March, it was Elon Musk’s visit, which took place last week, that predictably caused the biggest shockwaves.

According to the Financial Times, “in just two days… Elon Musk had more top-level Chinese meetings than most Biden administration officials have had in months”, including with Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang. The foreign ministry quoted Musk as saying that he was willing to expand business in China and opposed a decoupling of the US and China economies, adding that he described the world’s two largest economies as “conjoined twins”. Musk’s trip coincided with that by J.P. Morgan boss Jamie Dimon, who in a speech in Shanghai called for “real engagement” between Washington and Beijing.

Such open defiance of Washington’s foreign policy stance by some of the most powerful CEOs in America represents a striking development. Critics of US-Western foreign policy and military interventionism have traditionally (and correctly) seen the latter as being essentially aimed at enforcing the Western-led global capitalist order — in other words, as being in the service of big business by opening up new markets, securing control of resources or intervening whenever Western business interests were threatened. As New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman put it in 1999: “The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist — McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the builder of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for [American corporations] is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.”

However, in light of the growing rifts between America’s economic and political elites, does this analytical framework still hold? It’s hard to see, after all, how the West’s aggressive US-led foreign policy — aimed at antagonising and militarising relations with China, the world’s second-largest consumer market and largest rare-earth mineral exporter, in the same fashion as it has with Russia — serves the “general interests” of Western capital, or even how it serves a strictly capitalist logic. How is Nato “helping McDonald’s”, to borrow Friedman’s phrase, by forcing it to exit Russia at a cost of more than $1 billion? No wonder major representatives of Western corporate interests aren’t peachy about the prospect of a new Cold War — not to mention an actual war with China, which would have devastating effects on the US and global economy.

However, their appeals today seem to fall on deaf ears in Washington and other Western national capitals. As Adam Tooze has observed: “The ‘peace interest’ anchored in the investment and trading connections of US big business with China has been expelled from centre stage. On the central axis of US strategy, big business has less influence today that at any time since the end of the Cold War”. Yet this begs the question: if US-Western foreign policy no longer serves the interests of big business, whose interests does it serve?

Well, there is really only one social class that stands to benefit from the militarisation of great-power relations: the military-industrial complex, Eisenhower’s description for the network of corporations and vested interests that revolve around a country’s defence and national security sector. What’s changed since the Sixties, however, is that these interests are no longer aligned with those of the Western corporate community — in fact, the two are diametrically opposed.

The paradox, of course, is that for decades big business has encouraged the continuous expansion of the military-industrial complex as a tool to promote its interests abroad. Yet in a Frankenstein-like twist of fate, the beast has been allowed to become so powerful that it has broken free from its masters — and is now turning against them. No longer is the military-industrial complex subordinated to the general interests of the capitalist class; rather, it is the latter that is increasingly subordinated to the interests of the military-industrial complex.

Now, the military-industrial complex follows a capitalist logic as well, of course: war, or even just the constant preparation for war, is clearly good for business. But, ultimately, it’s about more than just profits: it’s about ensuring the reproduction of the military class, which extends well beyond the big defence companies to include civilian auxiliaries in defence-related government agencies, think tanks, academia, and many others.

What’s slowly becoming clear, however, is that the old capitalist class doesn’t seem willing to go down without a fight. Indeed, we may be on the verge of a new historical class struggle: the owners of the means of production against the owners of the means of destruction. Whoever wins, the peculiar nature of this conflict should not be underestimated: the greatest resistance to the new Cold War isn’t coming from a global peace movement, but from the boardrooms of Western corporations. Faced with China’s supremacy, they have nothing to lose but their chains.

https://unherd.com/2023/06/the-capit...ng-over-china/

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سيف الله
06-09-2023, 08:17 AM
Salaam

Another update.

Blurb

Footage from China’s Yunnan province is believed to show Muslims from China’s Hui minority clashing with police after they were barred entry to a mosque. People online suggested the authorities were looking to demolish part of it.





With an unspecified number of local residents having been reportedly arrested by police, Hui Muslim (a Chinese ethnic group) activists living abroad told DW that authorities are still urging anyone who was involved in the clash to turn themselves in ...

while vowing to remove the domes and the minarets from the mosque as originally planned.

"Local residents are still resolutely pushing back against the government's efforts to demolish important structures of the mosque, and local authorities have not withdrawn the police who were deployed to help repel the clash that took place last week," said @Maj uismail1122 The Najiaying mosque is not the first Islamic religious site that has faced the threat of partial demolition of its structure. Over the last few years, mosques in Ningxia, Gansu, Henan, and even Beijing, have seen their domes and minarets demolished by local authorities and replaced with Chinese-style roofs

These efforts are part of the Chinese government's plan to "Sinicize" Islam, which aims at removing "foreign influence" from the religion while ensuring that it aligns with traditional Chinese values outlined by the Chinese government.

"In many of his speeches, there are indications that President Xi Jinping views foreign religious ideologies or traditions as threatening, and Islam is one that he is very concerned about," said @David stroup In 2019, China passed a law that aimed at Sinicizing Islam in five years, emphasizing that it's necessary to ensure Islam is "compatible with socialism," according to a report by China's state-run tabloid Global Times in January that year.

During a government meeting in September 2020, Chinese leader Xi reiterated the need to ensure the "healthy development of religion."

"We must do a good job in the field of ideology and carry out the project of cultural enrichment of Xinjiang," Xi said.

In September 2022, Wang Yang, former chairman of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, told leaders of the Islamic Association of China that they need to keep promoting "Sinicization of Islam," ...

and that they shouldn't be "ambiguous in their political stance of listening to the Party and following the Party at any time." @Hannah Theaker1 says some mosques in China have been demolished, while others are being merged together as part of a policy to reduce the overall numbers of mosques."

Theaker said the Chinese government has also closed down many religious schools and institutions while increasing ideological control of religious leaders.

"These measures have been accompanied by increased and often highly intrusive surveillance of mosque communities and non-Han communities, especially migrants."

Some overseas Hui Muslims told DW that many Chinese Muslims can no longer maintain a lifestyle that's in line with traditional Islamic rules.

"The Chinese government starts it by destroying the religious venues where Muslims practice their faith and then force us to assimilate into the religious norms established by them," said a Hui Muslim woman surnamed Ma, who lives in Malaysia, but keeps close contact with family members in China.

Stroup from the University of Manchester added that Beijing's Sinicization campaign essentially tries to establish a version of Islam approved by the Chinese Communist Party, with the ethnic communities becoming "a vehicle for party-state values."

"What we will probably see is a state-approved version of Islam that's overseen and dominated by party imperatives," Stroup told DW.

Many activists see very little room for Hui Muslims to push back against Beijing's efforts to "redefine" Islam.

The US-based Hui activist Ma Ju said despite local community pushback, their resistance is generally "very weak,"

and local governments will generally temporarily suspend mosque demolition efforts but won't abort their plans entirely.

"While the Chinese government won't completely eliminate Islam, they will try to break the social cohesion of the Muslim community in China, just like what they do to other organized groups and communities," he said.

With the Sinicization campaign being rolled out unevenly across China, Stroup argues that there haven't been many opportunities for the Muslim community to organize large-scale mobilization or resistance.

To summarise.



Meanwhile





Obvious response.

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سيف الله
07-16-2023, 09:59 AM
Salaam

Scraping the bottom of the barrel. But then again Abbas needs someone to pay his bills.

Palestinian Leader’s Endorsement of China's Xinjiang Policy Sparks Backlash

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas recently visited Beijing, where he met with Chinese leader Xi Jinping and expressed support for China's treatment of Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang. His endorsement of China's policies and denial of the mistreatment of Muslims in Xinjiang drew criticism from politicians and rights activists.

During their meeting Wednesday, in which Abbas sought economic aid, he and Xi issued a joint statement in which Abbas endorsed China's domestic and foreign policies while dismissing the human rights concerns in Xinjiang as Western concepts.

The United States and some other countries have designated China's treatment of Uyghurs and other Muslims in Xinjiang as genocide, and the U.N. human rights office has stated that China's actions in Xinjiang may constitute crimes against humanity.

China denies these allegations and considers them fabrications by anti-China forces.

Abbas said in the joint statement that China's actions in Xinjiang have "nothing to do with human rights" and are aimed at countering extremism and terrorism. He also emphasized Palestinian opposition to using the Xinjiang issue to interfere in China's internal affairs.

Xi expressed his willingness to support the Palestinians in achieving internal reconciliation and facilitating peace talks with Israel during their meeting in Beijing.

"The fundamental solution to the Palestinian issue lies in the establishment of an independent Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital," Xi said, according to Chinese state media.

'Criminal, disgraceful'

On Tuesday, Abbas' endorsement of China's actions in Xinjiang faced criticism from Devlet Bahceli, chair of Turkey's Nationalist Movement Party, which is an ally of the ruling Justice Party (AKP).

“Labeling Uyghur Turks as terrorists is unjust, false, sinful, criminal, disgraceful, malicious and a blatant display of disrespect towards the Turkic nation,” Bahceli said during a meeting in Ankara.

Uyghur activists also expressed concern over Abbas' endorsement, noting the absence of Palestinian organizations rejecting his stance.

Kuzzat Altay, a Uyghur activist and former president of the Uyghur American Association, said on Twitter that Abbas’ statements “further legitimize” Uyghur genocide.

According to Khaled Elgindy, a senior fellow and director of the Program on Palestine and Palestinian-Israeli Affairs at the Middle East Institute, China's repression of the Uyghur population undermines its ability to portray itself as an advocate for Islam or human rights.

“China’s interests in Israel-Palestine and in the region more broadly are strictly transactional rather than ideological — whether in terms of enhancing [its] international standing or its potential trade and other economic ties. The same goes for Abbas and other regional leaders, for whom China represents an important counterweight to the United States,” Elgindy told VOA in an email.

Elgindy said China is unlikely to play a significant role in mediating peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians because of its limited influence with both parties.

“Chinese-sponsored peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians would be a major diplomatic breakthrough. However, there is no chance of that happening. China simply does not have the kind of influence with both parties — particularly the Israeli side —needed to broker such an agreement,” Elgindy said.

Posturing seen

China's overtures and Abbas' visit to China, according to Elgindy, are posturing to enhance China's global standing and express dissatisfaction with the Biden administration's approach to the Palestinian issue.

Ghulam Yaghma, president of the East Turkistan Government in Exile in Washington, views Abbas' visit as part of China's broader objective to secure leverage over Israel and establish a stronger presence in the Middle East. East Turkistan is another name for the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China.

"The broader strategic goal of China is no secret, as its aspiration to strengthen its position among the Arab world and gain dominance in the Persian Gulf is an essential part of its Belt and Road Initiative, aiming for global economic and political superiority,” Yaghma told VOA.

Salih Hudayar, prime minister of the East Turkistan Government in Exile in Washington, told VOA that China's support for the Palestinian cause is a deliberate strategy to divert attention from China's own occupation and alleged genocide in Xinjiang.

“The support rendered by China to the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian cause serves as a smokescreen to camouflage the Chinese occupation and genocide carried out in East Turkistan,” Hudayar said.

https://www.voanews.com/a/palestinia...0in%20Xinjiang.

Another reality check.



https://twitter.com/doamuslims/statu...493646848?s=20

And again.

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سيف الله
07-22-2023, 10:43 PM
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Like to share.

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Sometimes the veil slips and we get to see clearly how the Chinese government operates...



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سيف الله
07-24-2023, 06:11 PM
Salaam

Another update.



The biggest threat to the world is not China, but $31.4 trillion US debt.

US bonds price will crash inevitably and nuke many countries' economies.

Hundreds of millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in pensions will disappear.

Why wouldn't Kissinger ask China to help?

When Xi Jinping started his 1st term, he was advised that the Chinese economy couldn't withstand the US bonds crash.

China's deleveraging campaign was launched in 2013.

It sent the two largest real estate developers to bankruptcy in 2021.

Did Xi make a deadly mistake?

During my first visit in 2018, everyone in China was in a state of euphoria.

Businesses borrowed like crazy to expand. Housing prices were sky-high.

Jack Ma was further expanding his empire by giving young Chinese free loans.

It was a disaster waiting to happen.

By popping its own financial and real estate bubbles, in a controlled manner, the Chinese government defused an economic time bomb.

But Western experts say Xi is driving China into the brink of collapse, right?

I went shopping for a new condo last week.

My agent told me that, yes, local govts had to step in and fund most unfinished building projects.

And things weren't great for the last 3 years.

But she's busy again. Home buyers are taking advantage of lower housing prices.

If a 100-year-old man is going to go on a plane for 14 hours, he'll need a medical team along with him.

Kissenger jeopardized his health to travel to China for what reason?

It's got to be something about his own legacy.

China has spent the past decade insulating itself from the inevitable US bonds crash.

It won't be as enthusiastic about saving the US as in 2008.

The US economy is near its end. The only exit is war.

Kissinger travelled to Beijing to discuss the possibility of war.

Kissinger's trip to Beijing has only one purpose – to discuss how to minimize damage when (not if) a war breaks out between China and the US.

I hate being so doom and gloom. But here is a Chinese phrase – 危机

Whenever danger lurks, opportunity awaits.

More on the growing military confrontation.

How China’s military is slowly squeezing Taiwan

For all the focus on a potential invasion, some in Taipei fear a Chinese pressure campaign that gradually changes the status quo

On June 24, eight Chinese fighters flew across the Taiwan Strait. Taiwan’s air force scrambled their jets in response, as they do almost every day. But this time, the People’s Liberation Army aircraft flew closer than they have before: right up to what is known as Taiwan’s contiguous zone, a buffer area just 12 nautical miles outside its sovereign airspace, before turning back.

The country’s defence ministry warned that any forceful entry into its sovereign airspace or waters would be met with a “counterattack in self-defence”. Since then, Chinese military aircraft have come as close at least once more, according to a Taiwanese national security official.

The flights are part of a gradually tightening squeeze the PLA is putting on Taiwan, which both Taipei and Washington, its only quasi-ally, have been incapable of stopping or even slowing down.

The Chinese military is waging what defence experts call a grey zone campaign: it is increasing its presence closer to Taiwan one step at a time, yet all the while remaining below the threshold of what could be considered an act of war.

For all the global attention there has been on the prospect of a Chinese attack on Taiwan, the country’s military planners also fear a very different, more gradual threat. They worry that the so-called salami-slicing tactics that Beijing is employing right now are slowly changing the status quo, one small step at a time, and could eventually deprive Taiwan of the ability to defend itself.

Some defence experts therefore believe that the US military’s strategy for deterring China is misdirected because it is focused too much on an outright invasion, rather than these pressure tactics.

“The Department of Defense is so myopically focused on a Taiwan invasion scenario that they are neglecting the current threat,” says Kristen Gunness, an expert on the PLA at the Rand Corporation, a Washington think-tank. “[Invasion] is the thing that we’ve all been planning for for many years, and it’s hard to get off of that. Also it’s the thing they [the US military] know how to do.”

Since September 2020, when Taiwan first started publishing data on Chinese military activity in its air defence identification zone, the number of monthly incursions into Taiwan’s ADIZ by the PLA has ballooned from 69 to 139 this July.

An ADIZ is a self-declared buffer zone in international airspace in which countries monitor flight movements for potential security threats. But as the airspace above the contiguous zone is outside Taiwan’s jurisdiction, the PLA’s behaviour does not violate international law.

Taiwanese strategists are sounding the alarm about this incremental encroachment — and the difficulty in mounting an effective challenge to it.

“They want to intimidate us, test our capabilities and wear down our defences, and over time they will strengthen their control over the Taiwan Strait and change its legal status,” says Lee Jyun-yi, an expert on grey zone conflicts at the Institute for National Defense and Security Research, the defence ministry’s think-tank in Taipei. In a report on deterrence published on Friday and edited by Lee, INDSR analysts cast serious doubt on the deterrence strategy of both Taiwan and the US.

Increasing activity

Over the past three years, Beijing has gone from occasional flights into Taiwan’s ADIZ by one or two military reconnaissance or transport aircraft to almost daily incursions by often large groups of planes including bombers, fighters, electronic warfare aircraft, aerial refuelling planes and various kinds of drones. According to Taiwan defence ministry statistics, the PLA has already flown 60 per cent more aircraft into Taiwan’s ADIZ since January 1 than during the same period last year.

In addition, the PLA has expanded its area of operations from mainly the south-western corner of Taiwan’s ADIZ, the crossroads between the shallow Taiwan Strait, the South China Sea and the Bashi Channel which connects both to the open Pacific, to the airspace and waters all around Taiwan.



It has been during moments of political crisis that the Chinese military has taken some of its most significant steps forward.

The Taiwan Strait Median line is a case in point. For decades, both militaries largely respected a tacit agreement to stay on their side of the unofficial dividing line drawn by the US military in 1955. In 2019 and 2020, Beijing sent military aircraft across it on a few occasions to express its fury about high-profile visits to Taipei by cabinet officials from the Trump administration.

Then, after a hiatus of almost two years, the PLA flew more than 300 such crossings in August last year during the unprecedented exercises it held around Taiwan to “punish” it for hosting then US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. PLA officers boasted on Chinese state television that they had successfully “obliterated” the median line. Since then, dozens of PLA aircraft have crossed the line each month. After PLA aircraft approached its contiguous zone last month, Taiwanese defence officials worry it will be the next line the Chinese military crosses.

Although the US Navy has continued its regular transits up and down the Taiwan Strait, there has been no direct response to these Chinese moves by the US military.

Some officials draw a parallel to the South China Sea, where Beijing is enforcing its claim over almost the entire area against several neighbours with similar salami-slicing tactics. Over the past decade, China has wrested control of some land features from rival claimants and built military installations step by step. But it has always kept its activities below the threshold of open conflict — a process which some analysts argue could have been prevented if the US had stepped in early on.

“The stakes are much higher here. We need some new thinking, including from our friends and allies, regarding deterrence,” says a Taiwanese national security official.

At the root of Taipei’s feeling that too little is being done to deter China’s grey zone operations is disagreement over where the PLA’s tactics are leading — whether they are a prelude to conflict or a form of pressure.

Some US observers describe Beijing’s two large-scale exercises around Taiwan last August and this April as rehearsals for a blockade of Taiwan, a move that would cross the threshold of war. “If these patterns are repeated twice a year, we could say they are designed to set up a theatre for general conflict,” says Michael Mazarr, an expert on East Asian security at Rand. “If the scale of those two events doesn’t become a precedent for regular things, then we may be back to a steady state, albeit on a higher level of activity.”

Taiwan’s annual Han Kuang live-fire exercises this week will also convey a sense of urgency about a worst-case scenario. Troops will for the first time simulate defending the country’s largest international airport against an air assault, and also practise breaking a Chinese sea blockade.

But Taipei is at least as anxious about the ongoing threat of Beijing’s grey zone campaign as it is about the future risk of an invasion.

“Even if our American friends mainly worry about a Chinese invasion, we feel that we are on a kind of battlefield here and now,” says the Taiwanese national security official.

Lee, the INDSR analyst, says the defence ministry is “not that worried that the grey zone movements are leading up to a full-scale war, but rather sees them as an attempt to slowly change the status quo in the Taiwan Strait”. Taipei’s intelligence chief this month characterised China’s campaign as “intimidation, rather than aggression”.

That assessment is in line with Chinese military strategy writings which prize winning without fighting. For more than a decade, part of the PLA’s task has been what the Chinese leadership calls military operations other than war. Alongside humanitarian assistance and disaster relief and rescuing Chinese citizens abroad during crises, these include “military operations to protect national security and development interests that do not directly lead to war” and “operations to safeguard sovereignty and national interests”, according to the PLA’s dictionary of military terms.

Cui Lei, a research fellow at the China Institute of International Studies, a Chinese foreign ministry think-tank, called grey zone tactics a better alternative to a military strike in a 2021 commentary. Beijing would “probe ways to subdue the island without fighting”, he wrote.

Sr Col Zhao Xiaozhuo, director at the secretariat for the Xiangshan Forum, Beijing’s international security conference, dismisses fears of a Chinese attack on Taiwan as “US hype”. “Of course we will not wage war on Taiwan,” he says. “That you would think that means that our strategy is working.”

Security analysts say countering Beijing’s gradual moves is a tricky challenge.

“It is really hard to deter such tactical-level manoeuvres and exercises — when you are on that threshold, you don’t do things that escalate and risk things spiralling into general conflict with China,” says Lyle Morris, a senior fellow at the Asia Society Policy Institute’s Center for China Analysis and a former country director for China in the office of the US Secretary of Defense.

Ukraine as a cautionary tale

Other defence experts say the few tools available to counter military grey zone tactics include threatening punishment if a specific red line is crossed — such as Taipei’s threat to strike back if the PLA crossed into its sovereign airspace.

The Biden administration has pledged to deter grey zone tactics as well as full-blown military aggression. Its National Security Strategy mentions the goal to “prevent competitors from altering the status quo in ways that harm our vital interests while hovering below the threshold of armed conflict”.

But repeated warnings from US military and intelligence officials that China could attack Taiwan in a matter of years show that Washington’s deterrence efforts in the Taiwan Strait are mainly focused on dissuading Beijing from a full-scale invasion.

Since the Ukraine war, the US has boosted efforts to help Taipei build stocks of weapons and munitions key for defending its territory against an invasion force.

Washington is also rapidly stepping up military co-operation with allies in the Indo-Pacific, most importantly Japan, Australia and the Philippines. During exercises in the region, US generals emphasise that any adversary would have to face them and their allies together, and that their drills are designed to deter.

In Taiwan, many are doubtful these efforts will be effective, and point to the Ukraine war as a cautionary tale.

“The fact that war broke out means that US deterrence failed,” says Lee. “So we should not just learn from what is happening on the battlefield now but what happened before Russia attacked, and why deterrence failed.”

Taiwanese analysts believe that the changing military balance between the US and China in the region undermines any deterrent effect of US military power. They point to the fact that Washington is reducing some long-term deployments in the Indo-Pacific, such as certain fighter jets in Japan or bombers in Guam, in favour of rotating forces through the area.

Taiwan also harbours doubt over how far US support for its defence would go in case of war. Washington has traditionally remained ambiguous about whether it would intervene with boots on the ground. Although president Joe Biden has repeatedly said the US would intervene directly, opinion polls show that the Taiwanese public is not convinced.

Sheu Jyh-shyang, one of the INDSR report’s authors, believes the US’s decision to help Ukraine only with weapons and the wavering of some European countries about support for Kyiv do not bode well for Taiwan. “And if we think of that, China will too,” he says.

One senior US defence official says the Pentagon generally believes that its deterrence against China is working, even though it is “very hard” to make such an assessment with confidence.

“We’re showing the PRC that we’re not going to allow them to eclipse us in capabilities. We’re going to keep investing . . . keep making sure that we’re able to sustain some of the warfighting advantages that we have,” says the official. “We can show them that we’re going to do things with allies and partners that would also present some real operational dilemmas for them.”

He adds that the US military can use its posture in the region to “make it much more difficult” for the PLA to execute the military campaigns that it has written about. “Showing all of that to them has the effect of strengthening deterrence, so I think we’re making some good, good advances in those areas,” he concludes.

Escalation fears

Politics, however, can complicate even the best deterrence plans. One big worry for the Taiwanese government is the increasingly authoritarian and opaque nature of Beijing politics, which makes it harder to assess what drives Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s decisions and whether he might become more willing to risk war.

The US defence official says Washington might have to adopt more immediate deterrence measures if China were to gear up for an attack on Taiwan in the near term.

“Where the rubber would really meet the road is if we had a crisis situation where there was a real possibility of an imminent conflict,” he says. “Then you’d have to probably take more specific actions to deter that specific action at a specific time and place.”

Analysts caution that there is precedent of authoritarian leaders ignoring all deterrence signals.

“History suggests that when a political leadership considers starting a war, those kinds of considerations fade into the background. At that point a major power becomes almost undeterrable,” Mazarr says. “Before world war two, Japan had the notion that they would go to war with an industrial powerhouse, and they went ahead even though Roosevelt was rushing reinforcements into the Pacific in the months ahead.”

In China’s case, the ever fiercer competition with the US and their mutual loss of trust have locked the two countries in a spiral where both try to deter the other but which could inadvertently lead to escalation.

“When it comes to China’s core interests, any country’s deterrence against China will be useless,” says Sr Col Cao Yanzhong, a research fellow at the PLA’s Academy of Military Sciences. “The countermeasures the PLA is taking around Taiwan are directed at the US and at the Taiwan Independence forces who are plotting to change the post-world war two status quo that Taiwan was given back to China and is a part of China,” he adds.

Defence experts say that to prevent both sides’ deterrence efforts from destabilising the situation, the US needs to offer its adversary assurances alongside threats. Mazarr argues that would require convincing China that it still has a chance to achieve its goal of unification with Taiwan, something most experts see as difficult but not impossible.

For Taiwan, even such avoidance of open conflict means continuing to live with China’s grey zone campaign. “Assuming you don’t give in, there’s really no way for China to win unless they have boots on the ground,” says Lt Gen Steven Rudder, who retired last year as head of US Marine Corps forces in the Indo-Pacific. “Unless you have something like a Hong Kong scenario, Taiwan remains as it is today. But the pressure from the PLA, that won’t change.”

https://www.ft.com/content/f7922fdb-...c-79f15468aa71
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سيف الله
07-27-2023, 03:33 PM
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Another update.

The End of a Naval Era

After 80 years, the United States Navy is no longer the dominant naval power on Earth.

Moscow and Beijing conducted large-scale naval drills in the Sea of Japan this week, Russia’s Pacific Fleet announced in a statement to journalists on Sunday. The three-day exercise involved a wide range of activities, including joint firing drills, a simulated naval battle, and air defense training.

The ‘North/Cooperation-2023’ exercise was held over July 20-23, the fleet’s press service said. It involved two Russian anti-submarine war frigates and two Chinese destroyers, as well as a pair of both Russian corvettes and Chinese guard ships alongside a number of support vessels, the statement said.

A total of 30 aircraft from both nations also took part in the drills, the fleet said, adding that this included anti-submarine planes and helicopters, interceptors and other maritime aircraft, the fleet said. The two nations’ naval groups took part in some 20 combat exercises during the drills, it added.

The drills were aimed at “strengthening the naval cooperation between the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China as well as maintaining peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific Region,” the statement said.
This is significant because it is a signal that the Russians and Chinese are now confident that their combined naval power rivals that of the USA. I expect it will not be too long now before China announces that the South China Sea and the Taiwan Straits are off-limits, dares the USN to challenge the ban, and the USN subsequently backs down after mumbling some meaningless phrases about “the freedom of the seas”.

How can we be so certain that China is now a greater sea power than the USA? After all, while the USN has fewer ships than the PLN, it has the advantage of more experience, better quality ships, and more of the aircraft carriers that have been the heart of all naval power since 1941. The reason is twofold. First, as we’ve seen in Ukraine, air power is now vulnerable to air defense systems to a much greater extent than before. Any air strike from a carrier against a first-tier military target is likely to lose more than half the planes it launches.

Second, and more important, China can rapidly replace its naval losses in the event of a war. The USA cannot. In fact, China’s shipbuilding advantage over the USA now exceeds the historical advantage that the USA enjoyed over Japan in WWII by a considerable margin.

A U.S. Navy briefing slide is calling new attention to the worrisome disparity between Chinese and U.S. capacity to build new naval vessels and total naval force sizes. The data compiled by the Office of Naval Intelligence says that a growing gap in fleet sizes is being helped by China’s shipbuilders being more than 200 times more capable of producing surface warships and submarines. This underscores longstanding concerns about the U.S. Navy’s ability to challenge Chinese fleets, as well as sustain its forces afloat, in any future high-end conflict.

The most eye-catching component of the slide is a depiction of the relative Chinese and U.S. shipbuilding capacity expressed in terms of gross tonnage. The graphic shows that China’s shipyards have a capacity of around 23,250,000 million tons versus less than 100,000 tons in the United States. That is at least an astonishing 232 times greater than the United States.
Consider the implications of this massive capacity delta in light of the historic difference between US and Japanese manufacturing between 1942 and 1945.

Shipping Tonnage Produced, 1942 to 1945

—————-1942———-1943————1944———-1945

USA—–6,252,300—15,153,000—14,580,000—8,8 04,900

Japan——511,100—-1,023,000——1,929,200—–626,300

delta——-1223%——–1481%————757%——-1406%

Speaking of aircraft carriers, Japan was only able to build 9 carriers over the course of the war, some of which were never launched, while the US launched 120, many of which were surplus to requirements.

Aircraft produced, 1942 to 1945

———–1942——-1943——-1944——-1945

USA—-47,800—–85,900—–96,300—–46,000

Japan—8,900—–16,700—–28,200—–11,100

delta—–537%——-514%——-342%——-414%

And while it is theoretically possible for the US to signficantly expand its industrial capacity in order to reduce its disadvantage, the political, ideological, and demographic realities render that improbable to the point of total impossibility. The US corpocracy’s commitment to diversity, inclusion, and equality is actively reducing its current capabilities, which means there is no way it can reasonably be expected to expand them successfully.

I’d always thought that the end of US naval dominance would be the consequence of a Sicilian Expedition that resulted in the unexpected sinking of one or more aircraft carriers. But thanks to Ukraine and the offshoring of US industrial capacity, we appear to have passed that historical point in relative peace and without any fireworks.

https://voxday.net/2023/07/24/the-end-of-a-naval-era/

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A reader with knowledge of the US shipbuilding industry concurs with my assessment of the USN having lost its naval superiority:

Your analysis about US shipbuilding capacity was spot on. I have an uncle who is an engineer at Newport News shipbuilding (Ingalls). I remember, many years ago, we were having a discussion similar to this topic and it centered on submarines construction.

I didn’t know this but New London, Conn (Electric Boat) can only build sections of the subs. The bow section is built at Newport News. The reason being, Electic Boat lacks the machine necessary to bend the steel in the bulbus shape of the bow section. They sold it off years ago. Newport News is the only shipyard that has that machine. I was surprised because this is an obvious single point of failure.

But then he went to tell me that Newport News is the only shipyard that can install a nuclear reactor. I shook my head in disgust. Right then and there, I knew that we, as a country, were pretenders living on borrowed time.
No amount of glorious history and past success can prevent an outdated power from being surpassed by its successor. Sooner or later, the illusion of invincibility inevitably fades.

UPDATE: Apparently the reader’s take is the optimistic scenario, as someone with direct experience of naval repairs weighs in.

As someone who worked in ship repair on aircraft carriers and submarines at a naval shipyard for [more than 20] years, and on non-nuclear vessels for [additional] years as well, the description given to you of the industry is a vast understatement. The ability for the handful of nuclear capable yards to fix ships has been crippled by a combo of inability to train new workers well, and inability to maintain the skilled workers they do have. “Diversity” pushes women and racial minorities to the top in engineering positions. Some of those may have actually been able to do the jobs they were pushed into if they’d been given the time to build their skills in the way any man would have 10-20 years ago.

In the trades, even a modicum of skill is enough to find yourself fast tracked to a supervisor position before you even finish the apprenticeship program. Admirals appear to think that the lack of capacity to perform can be solved by creating more shipyards. This requires ignoring that the private shipyards can’t hire and maintain skilled labor either, both in nuclear and non-nuclear work. It’s not uncommon to leave a shipyard with many systems in worse shape after “maintenance” than they were in before arriving there. The ridiculous lead times for materials suggests other related industries are in just as bad of shape. As I write this, i’m staring at photos that just came out to my group of [important ship’s equipment destroyed by carelessness].


https://voxday.net/2023/07/26/mailvox-borrowed-time/
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07-27-2023, 10:58 PM
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A look at the ideology of the modern Chinese state - how Mao's death and the rise of Deng Xiaoping led to a rejection of Marxism-Leninism and the transformation of China into a corporatist, nationalist state.

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The plight of the Uyghur Muslims in East Turkestan has been described as a genocide. An entire ethnic, cultural and religious group is being erased. We hear stories of mass detention, the banning of Ramadan, and the closure and demolition of mosques. We also hear the disturbing reports of women being forced into marriage, forced sterilisation and children being removed from families and reassigned to Chinese couples.

But at the same time, people question these accounts. There is a disinformation campaign on social media and diplomatic circles, and many, even some government-paid Islamic scholars, have questioned the extent of the persecution, if not the persecution itself, especially since the Biden administration has adopted it as a cause, as part of their fight against an emerging geopolitical rival. So how do we know what to believe. Today we are joined by Abdureşid Eminhaci , he is the Secretary General of International union of The East Turkestan organisation, one of the largest Uyghur organisations in Turkey.








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Beijing orders 'Chinese characteristics' for new Xinjiang mosques

New rules in Uyghur region tighten state control on religion

Newly built mosques in China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region must adopt "Chinese characteristics" under new regulations from authorities.

The regulations say that no organization or individual may force residents to not believe in a religion.

But new or renovated religious venues, including mosques, are required to "embody Chinese characteristics and style" in terms of architecture, sculptures, paintings and decorations.

The new rules in Xinjiang align with the Chinese leadership's policy to "Sinicize" religion and tighten state control.

They went into force on Thursday, following a public notice by the Xinjiang government last month.

Construction of new religious sites requires approval of the local government. Religious groups, clergy and believers must "practice core socialist values" and "adhere to the goal of the Sinicization of religion," the text states.

The Uyghurs are a Turkic ethnic minority who are predominantly Muslim. There were 11.77 million Uyghurs in China in 2020, according to China's National Bureau of Statistics. They reside mainly in Xinjiang in northwestern China.

In January 2021, the Communist Party published regulations on the "united front work" calling on religious doctrines and precepts to be in line with the development and advancement of modern China.

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