My wife doesn't always eat halal...

[Stoic]

And eats outside meat. Wut do? I told her already I don't like when she eats non halal food and its unlawful. I know depending on certain madhabs you can

[Hamza Asadullah]

And eats outside meat. Wut do? I told her already I don't like when she eats non halal food and its unlawful. I know depending on certain madhabs you can

:sl:

Is this the sister who was divorced that you asked a question about a few days back about wanting advice to marry her or not?

[Stoic]

:sl:

Is this the sister who was divorced that you asked a question about a few days back about wanting advice to marry her or not?

Yes...

[sister herb]

You should think how much it´s appropriate to talk about other person´s sins in here or in public in elsewhere. What if (at the possible next time you need to know something) try to ask advice as "how important it is to eat only halal food and avoid haram ones", not to tell who does this and that.

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[Umm Abed]

No madhab allows non- halal food.

Are you sure what she is eating is not halal? Maybe it is.

[sister herb]

No madhab allows non- halal food.

That´s true but isn´t there some difference between madhabs? As I remember right, hanafis say prawns, lobsters or craps are not halal but others say they are, for example.

[Bhabha]

Why do people need to eat meat, I don't understand. It's like a sick addiction.

Prepare fruits, vegetables, rice, legumes, nuts, etc. with your wife, it's healthier and you don't have to worry about halal, non-halal. It's ALL halal :)

FYI, Cheese and Milk should not be considered halal. Do you know what they do to the calf to get the milk? The baby is pulled from the mother and sent to the slaughterhouse, often times not even given the chance to drink the mom's milk.

Go vegan!!!

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

Can you describe the food in question?

[AbdurRahman.]

no madhab allows non-halal food; some madhabs allow kosher food, but not christians food [i.e, the gneral non-muslim meat prodcuts on sale in west] as that is totally haram

so you've just married her and she eats haram?; bad luck mate!

[Hamza Asadullah]

Yes...

So you've married her already?

When you say outside meat then what do you mean? What is her justification for it?

[Bhabha]

Just eat VEGAN food!!! It's the safest thing!

No meat
No Milk
No Cheese (to produce cheese, you get a protein from the gut of an animal and the animal is NOT KILLED in a halal way)
No eggs

Completely guilty and torture free!

[Hamza Asadullah]

Why do people need to eat meat, I don't understand. It's like a sick addiction.

Prepare fruits, vegetables, rice, legumes, nuts, etc. with your wife, it's healthier and you don't have to worry about halal, non-halal. It's ALL halal :)

FYI, Cheese and Milk should not be considered halal. Do you know what they do to the calf to get the milk? The baby is pulled from the mother and sent to the slaughterhouse, often times not even given the chance to drink the mom's milk.

Go vegan!!!

:sl:

Sister you are being an "extremist vegan" in your approach. Admittedly our society consumes more meat than is necessary but to call eating meat as a sick addiction and that milk and cheese should not be halal is completely wrong. You are in fact condemning and rejecting an established Sunnah as the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) ate meat although not very often, and he also consumed cheese and milk. Almighty Allah even mentions of the milk from cattle:

''And verily! In the cattle, there is a lesson for you. We give you to drink of that which is in their bellies, from between excretions and blood, pure milk; palatable to the drinkers'' (16:66).

He even describes milk as a "healing":

There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colours, in which there is healing for people. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. (16;69)

What about Qurbani every year? Do you also prescribe that as a "sick practice"? Therefore my sister we should not talk from our desires. It is your prerogative if you do not want to eat meat nor consume dairy, but to call a Sunnah practice "sick" and something that "should not be halal" is completely condemnable.

So please do not take such an "extremist vegan" approach and understand that as Muslims we have the choice of what we want to eat and drink of the permissible foods and drinks, but we cannot reject or condemn others for consuming that which is a Sunnah. However we can advise others to avoid "over consumption" of meat and to eat a healthy balanced diet mainly consisting of vegetables.

And Allah knows best in all matters

[STN]

Why do people need to eat meat, I don't understand. It's like a sick addiction.

Prepare fruits, vegetables, rice, legumes, nuts, etc. with your wife, it's healthier and you don't have to worry about halal, non-halal. It's ALL halal :)

FYI, Cheese and Milk should not be considered halal. Do you know what they do to the calf to get the milk? The baby is pulled from the mother and sent to the slaughterhouse, often times not even given the chance to drink the mom's milk.

Go vegan!!!

Astaghfirullah! Sister, to consider things haram that Allah has not ordained as such is not something a Muslim can do or think of and it surely isn't islamic. Milk and products are completely halal.

I sense the western "crap" has been fed into your brain about the benefits of going vegan and the arguments they present against meat eating are nothing but stupid people's ignorant ideas. Do you know plants are also alive, they have defense mechanisms against pathogens and they are like animals in every way, do you know what you do to plants when you eat "fruits, vegetables, rice, legumes, nuts," They are their babies(seeds)! you take away their babies and eat them instead of letting them grow into plants. What about fish? do they not have babies ? do they not feel pain?

Do you know when you breathe, you are killing mico-organisms such as bacteria, viruses. Do you know bacteria, fungi are exactly like animals in every regard and you kill them! you kill their babies without any remorse.

Do you know at Eid-ul-Azha, Muslims slaughter all halal animals and we are ordained to do that for there are immense blessings in it. Anyone who denies Eid-ul-Azha and doesn't sacrifice when he is able can't be a good Muslim.

But it is okay because you can't sense plant's pain or because they are insignificant near you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHRzxmyVic4

As far as going vegan is considered, only a fool who doesn't know anything will stop him from eating meat. Because Allah (SWT) has allowed halal meat and whatever Allah has allowed has immense benefits and stopped us from is dangerous and bad for us. If you were to know the health benefits that meat has, you would not say this.

You can get certain type of proteins and amino acids only from animal meat. You can never get enough nutrients if you go vegan because they are not present in enough amount that they are in animals. Meat is a great source of bone's and muscle's food!. The amount of calcium you can get from milk, you can't get from anywhere else. The proteins essential for bone building can only come in sufficient quantity from meat.

In Jahiliyyah times, people did this. They made halal and good things haram on them and that's exactly what's happening these days because the times of Jahiliyyah will come as the end of time comes close.

Even the jahils from the kufar they do this, they're laughed at by Kufar themselves for their ignorance...it's really sad to see a Muslim say words like "vegan" and make haram on them things that Allah (SWT) allowed such as milk and meat.

Islam is about moderation, meat, vegetables and everything needs to be in moderation. People don't do that with meat and then ignorantly say meat is bad. Do you know you can get bad effects from vegetables too? Go and eat a lot of spinach like you do meat and see what happens to you. Go and eat a lot of rice like you do meat and see what happens to you.

As for the OP: What is your wife eating that isn't halal? Maybe what you think is haram is halal like the sister above who has made milk haram on her and believe in the Jahil Kufar's idea of denying halal food and going vegan.

[sister herb]

No eggs

Why no eggs? Chickens lay eggs anyways, also when there isn´t rooster at home. So not all eggs include a little chicken.

[Aaqib]

but not christians food [i.e, the gneral non-muslim meat prodcuts on sale in west] as that is totally haram

Wat.


explain please

[Bhabha]

Astaghfirullah! Sister, to consider things haram that Allah has not ordained as such is not something a Muslim can do or think of and it surely isn't islamic. Milk and products are completely halal.

I sense the western "crap" has been fed into your brain about the benefits of going vegan and the arguments they present against meat eating are nothing but stupid people's ignorant ideas. Do you know plants are also alive, they have defense mechanisms against pathogens and they are like animals in every way, do you know what you do to plants when you eat "fruits, vegetables, rice, legumes, nuts," They are their babies(seeds)! you take away their babies and eat them instead of letting them grow into plants. What about fish? do they not have babies ? do they not feel pain?

Do you know when you breathe, you are killing mico-organisms such as bacteria, viruses. Do you know bacteria, fungi are exactly like animals in every regard and you kill them! you kill their babies without any remorse.

Do you know at Eid-ul-Azha, Muslims slaughter all halal animals and we are ordained to do that for there are immense blessings in it. Anyone who denies Eid-ul-Azha and doesn't sacrifice when he is able can't be a good Muslim.

But it is okay because you can't sense plant's pain or because they are insignificant near you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHRzxmyVic4

As far as going vegan is considered, only a fool who doesn't know anything will stop him from eating meat. Because Allah (SWT) has allowed halal meat and whatever Allah has allowed has immense benefits and stopped us from is dangerous and bad for us. If you were to know the health benefits that meat has, you would not say this.

You can get certain type of proteins and amino acids only from animal meat. You can never get enough nutrients if you go vegan because they are not present in enough amount that they are in animals. Meat is a great source of bone's and muscle's food!. The amount of calcium you can get from milk, you can't get from anywhere else. The proteins essential for bone building can only come in sufficient quantity from meat.

In Jahiliyyah times, people did this. They made halal and good things haram on them and that's exactly what's happening these days because the times of Jahiliyyah will come as the end of time comes close.

Even the jahils from the kufar they do this, they're laughed at by Kufar themselves for their ignorance...it's really sad to see a Muslim say words like "vegan" and make haram on them things that Allah (SWT) allowed such as milk and meat.

Islam is about moderation, meat, vegetables and everything needs to be in moderation. People don't do that with meat and then ignorantly say meat is bad. Do you know you can get bad effects from vegetables too? Go and eat a lot of spinach like you do meat and see what happens to you. Go and eat a lot of rice like you do meat and see what happens to you.

As for the OP: What is your wife eating that isn't halal? Maybe what you think is haram is halal like the sister above who has made milk haram on her and believe in the Jahil Kufar's idea of denying halal food and going vegan.

Western crap?

I'm from the WEST. I was BORN IN THE WEST and I've BEEN LIVING IN THE WEST, my ANCESTORS ARE FROM THE WEST. You don't like the West? You use stuff from the West, get off the internet, you Western hater...

The way milk is produced right now is not halal. Do you know how Milk is made from a cow? Or are you actually ignorant in that?

You can get milk from other products, such as almonds, soy, etc. It takes more liters of water, more waste to produce milk from cows, then it takes to get milk from nuts and other products. Not only is it harmful for the environment, go and suck on a cow utter and see if that's normal.

Don't get started on "plant pain"; comparing a plant to an animal is the most absurd kind of comparison ever. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

You get blessings and continue to give charity for planting vegetables, fruits, etc. that can be eaten by a variety of animals and people. Do you get the same thing for slaughtering and murdering an animal? ^o) Do you get blessings for wearing products made from animal skins? Such as leather? No... I'm pretty sure you don't get that kind of blessing.

Do you get blessings for wearing Uggs? for wearing jackets made from down (goose feathers, plucked from the goose while still alive)? No... You don't.

Planting a garden and keeping a garden that feeds many (birds, squirrels, etc.) is far more beneficial than contributing to an industry that is so harmful for the environment and for ourselves. You can get more proteins, amino acids, and benefits from eating spinach, broccoli, beans, kale, etc. then you get from eating a carcass :)

Yes Islam allows us to eat animals, but as far as I can tell from our Prophet's life, he didn't get his milk from a sickening industry that harms millions of calfs, tortures animals to get milk. He got milk from local people, whose baby animals probably had a chance to get milk from their mother, he ate dates from a tree and when he was given meat he gave it as a gift to others. His diet was based of organic, locally grown milk sans torture and dates.

Now a days, good luck getting the milk without torture, have you been to a dairy farm? Have you seen the way the animals are treated? If you can get milk from a farmer whose animals ARE NOT ABUSED, sure it's entirely different. I don't mind that milk, but it's hard unless you know a farmer.

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Astaghfirullah! Sister, to consider things haram that Allah has not ordained as such is not something a Muslim can do or think of and it surely isn't islamic. Milk and products are completely halal.

I sense the western "crap" has been fed into your brain about the benefits of going vegan and the arguments they present against meat eating are nothing but stupid people's ignorant ideas. Do you know plants are also alive, they have defense mechanisms against pathogens and they are like animals in every way, do you know what you do to plants when you eat "fruits, vegetables, rice, legumes, nuts," They are their babies(seeds)! you take away their babies and eat them instead of letting them grow into plants. What about fish? do they not have babies ? do they not feel pain?

Do you know when you breathe, you are killing mico-organisms such as bacteria, viruses. Do you know bacteria, fungi are exactly like animals in every regard and you kill them! you kill their babies without any remorse.

Do you know at Eid-ul-Azha, Muslims slaughter all halal animals and we are ordained to do that for there are immense blessings in it. Anyone who denies Eid-ul-Azha and doesn't sacrifice when he is able can't be a good Muslim.

But it is okay because you can't sense plant's pain or because they are insignificant near you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHRzxmyVic4

As far as going vegan is considered, only a fool who doesn't know anything will stop him from eating meat. Because Allah (SWT) has allowed halal meat and whatever Allah has allowed has immense benefits and stopped us from is dangerous and bad for us. If you were to know the health benefits that meat has, you would not say this.

You can get certain type of proteins and amino acids only from animal meat. You can never get enough nutrients if you go vegan because they are not present in enough amount that they are in animals. Meat is a great source of bone's and muscle's food!. The amount of calcium you can get from milk, you can't get from anywhere else. The proteins essential for bone building can only come in sufficient quantity from meat.

In Jahiliyyah times, people did this. They made halal and good things haram on them and that's exactly what's happening these days because the times of Jahiliyyah will come as the end of time comes close.

Even the jahils from the kufar they do this, they're laughed at by Kufar themselves for their ignorance...it's really sad to see a Muslim say words like "vegan" and make haram on them things that Allah (SWT) allowed such as milk and meat.

Islam is about moderation, meat, vegetables and everything needs to be in moderation. People don't do that with meat and then ignorantly say meat is bad. Do you know you can get bad effects from vegetables too? Go and eat a lot of spinach like you do meat and see what happens to you. Go and eat a lot of rice like you do meat and see what happens to you.

As for the OP: What is your wife eating that isn't halal? Maybe what you think is haram is halal like the sister above who has made milk haram on her and believe in the Jahil Kufar's idea of denying halal food and going vegan.

Western crap?

I'm from the WEST. I was BORN IN THE WEST and I've BEEN LIVING IN THE WEST, my ANCESTORS ARE FROM THE WEST. You don't like the West? You use stuff from the West, get off the internet, you Western hater...

The way milk is produced right now is not halal. Do you know how Milk is made from a cow? Or are you actually ignorant in that?

You can get milk from other products, such as almonds, soy, etc. It takes more liters of water, more waste to produce milk from cows, then it takes to get milk from nuts and other products. Not only is it harmful for the environment, go and suck on a cow utter and see if that's normal.

Don't get started on "plant pain"; comparing a plant to an animal is the most absurd kind of comparison ever. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

You get blessings and continue to give charity for planting vegetables, fruits, etc. that can be eaten by a variety of animals and people. Do you get the same thing for slaughtering and murdering an animal? ^o) Do you get blessings for wearing products made from animal skins? Such as leather? No... I'm pretty sure you don't get that kind of blessing.

Do you get blessings for wearing Uggs? for wearing jackets made from down (goose feathers, plucked from the goose while still alive)? No... You don't.

Planting a garden and keeping a garden that feeds many (birds, squirrels, etc.) is far more beneficial than contributing to an industry that is so harmful for the environment and for ourselves. You can get more proteins, amino acids, and benefits from eating spinach, broccoli, beans, kale, etc. then you get from eating a carcass :)

Yes Islam allows us to eat animals, but as far as I can tell from our Prophet's life, he didn't get his milk from a sickening industry that harms millions of calfs, tortures animals to get milk. He got milk from local people, whose baby animals probably had a chance to get milk from their mother, he ate dates from a tree and when he was given meat he gave it as a gift to others. His diet was based of organic, locally grown milk sans torture and dates.

Now a days, good luck getting the milk without torture, have you been to a dairy farm? Have you seen the way the animals are treated? If you can get milk from a farmer whose animals ARE NOT ABUSED, sure it's entirely different. I don't mind that milk, but it's hard unless you know a farmer.

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Why no eggs? Chickens lay eggs anyways, also when there isn´t rooster at home. So not all eggs include a little chicken.

If I have my own chicken or get the eggs from a place where chickens are not abused, I don't mind eating the eggs :) I'm talking about the large scale farming industry, not eggs or milk, or cheese that is produced in the backyard. I'm only referring to places that produce these products in massive scale and are detrimental to the environment and to the animals that they're getting it from.

Heck, I even get my kale from my backyard.. lol

[STN]

Western crap?

I'm from the WEST. I was BORN IN THE WEST and I've BEEN LIVING IN THE WEST, my ANCESTORS ARE FROM THE WEST. You don't like the West? You use stuff from the West, get off the internet, you Western hater...

I hate the west for their kufr and jahil ideas but i don't hate west. Huh, i always wanted to fly to America until i read the atrocities they do to mosques everyday and set on fire innocent women who wear hijab. Then i realized i don't want to live in a country with so much racism and hatred. And you proved my point.

The way milk is produced right now is not halal. Do you know how Milk is made from a cow? Or are you actually ignorant in that?

From their teats? I don't know of any other way. Milk is milk, how does it become haram?

You can get milk from other products, such as almonds, soy, etc. It takes more liters of water, more waste to produce milk from cows, then it takes to get milk from nuts and other products. Not only is it harmful for the environment, go and suck on a cow utter and see if that's normal.

Eating plants and destroying them is more harmful for environment if you really want to talk about the environment.

Don't get started on "plant pain"; comparing a plant to an animal is the most absurd kind of comparison ever. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

It is not absurd. Just because you do not have knowledge of how same plants and animals are, doesn't make it right. The only difference is plants can't move and don't have eyes to show emotions for YOU to see but in this day and age of science where we know more about plants and animals, you will know that they are same!. They are living beings and have every biological function that animals have.

But lets agree with you on that for a moment, no remorse for killing plants because they don't have eyes. What about cockroaches and insects that you kill without any mercy? Where goes your care and love and mercy for animals then?. If a wild beast was to attack you, you would kill it with so much hate and anger. They are no different sister, they feel pain too. They might be mothers or fathers and have kids, where goes your mercy then?.

Is that not the same too? Because insects to you are worthless creations but they are created by Allah(SWT) too.

This is why i say the arguments of vegans are of Jahiliya because they don't understand and don't believe in afterlife and the wisdom in Allah orders.

You get blessings and continue to give charity for planting vegetables, fruits, etc. that can be eaten by a variety of animals and people. Do you get the same thing for slaughtering and murdering an animal? ^o) Do you get blessings for wearing products made from animal skins? Such as leather? No... I'm pretty sure you don't get that kind of blessing.

Do you get blessings for wearing Uggs? for wearing jackets made from down (goose feathers, plucked from the goose while still alive)? No... You don't.

Yes! You give that good food and meat to the poor people who eat it and what can be a better charity than feeding the poor Muslims who will pray to Allah and make dua about you, and to poor non-Muslims whose hearts might soften and accept Islam. That you send this to your neighbor.

Ibn Abbas reported: The Prophet (SAWW) said, “He is not a believer whose stomach is filled while the neighbor to his side goes hungry.”

Sure plant trees as much as you like, you will get twice the charity.

As far as animal's hide is concerned, what is wrong with that? Or do you think it is barbaric or somehow oppression or cruel to slaughter animals for its hide?

What kind of hypocrite says that it's okay to kill a cockroach who doesn't do anything bad to you, insects, feels okay with using monkeys and rabbits and rats as lab animals but when it comes to halal and good food and beneficial products that come from these animals such as leather etc. he screams no it is cruel.

If you aren't a hypocrite and feel mercy for all animals equally then stop using all kinds of medicine right now!. The medicinal field is where it is now because of rather cruel experiments on animals. I am a microbiologist and before any antibiotic comes to the market, it is tested on animals, they are made sick with bacteria, fungi then they're tested with antibiotics. EVERY drug you see has gone through animal testing first.

Why do you feel okay with that kind of animal cruelty ?

I hate animal cruelty and i don't advocate for it but to give up on meat because of your "fake" love for animals is foolish. As a Muslim, i believe Allah has made them okay for us to eat, use their hide and fur and to make our lives better so to not do that is not right.

And Allah has made for you from your homes a place of rest and made for you from the hides of the animals tents which you find light on your day of travel and your day of encampment; and from their wool, fur and hair is furnishing and enjoyment for a time.
- Holy Quran 16:80

And the grazing livestock He has created for you; in them is warmth and [numerous] benefits, and from them you eat.
- Holy Qur'an 16:5

Planting a garden and keeping a garden that feeds many (birds, squirrels, etc.) is far more beneficial than contributing to an industry that is so harmful for the environment and for ourselves. You can get more proteins, amino acids, and benefits from eating spinach, broccoli, beans, kale, etc. then you get from eating a carcass :)

What carcass? And no, you can't get everything from plants, you have to goto animals. I linked you that video which sheds some light on some amino acids that you can only get from animals, dopamine the happiness and reward chemical and protector from Alzheimers, the precursors for that are available in great amounts in red meat. You can never get the same amount from plants.

But do you know what they are doing to plants in west (America)? Ever heard of GMOs? Genetically modified organisms. They are modifying plants with the genes they like for better yield and pest resistance but you don't know what side-effects that will have when we consume them. When they integrate into our own DNAs.

Yes Islam allows us to eat animals, but as far as I can tell from our Prophet's life, he didn't get his milk from a sickening industry that harms millions of calfs, tortures animals to get milk. He got milk from local people, whose baby animals probably had a chance to get milk from their mother, he ate dates from a tree and when he was given meat he gave it as a gift to others. His diet was based of organic, locally grown milk sans torture and dates.

Now a days, good luck getting the milk without torture, have you been to a dairy farm? Have you seen the way the animals are treated? If you can get milk from a farmer whose animals ARE NOT ABUSED, sure it's entirely different. I don't mind that milk, but it's hard unless you know a farmer.

Torturing the animal doesn't make its milk haram neither does separating a baby from its mother. I live in a Muslim country SubhanAllah so i get halal meat, i can slaughter animals openly myself but i would be a fool to say that animals don't get mistreated here but so what? Their meat doesn't become haram because of that as long as Allah (SWT) name is taken on them when slaughtering and neither does their milk.

But sister, If the situation is so worse where you live then go and migrate to a Muslim country rather than preaching like meat is a bad thing. Meat is a wonderful thing, if you are deprived of it doesn't make it bad. You are not supposed to live in a Kafir country especially if you can't practice your religion freely and if you are able to move, can afford it.

Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.

- Holy Quran al-Nisa’ 4:97

If I have my own chicken or get the eggs from a place where chickens are not abused, I don't mind eating the eggs :) I'm talking about the large scale farming industry, not eggs or milk, or cheese that is produced in the backyard. I'm only referring to places that produce these products in massive scale and are detrimental to the environment and to the animals that they're getting it from.

Heck, I even get my kale from my backyard.. lol

Again, abusing chicken doesn't make its eggs haram. I don't know how large scale farming industry can make milk, eggs or cheese haram unless they add pork or haram things to it ? In which case, go and migrate to a country where this doesn't happen. You can't grow a jungle in your backyard and have to get these everyday items from market.

[sister herb]

Eating plants and destroying them is more harmful for environment if you really want to talk about the environment.

Actually this isn´t quite right. We "destroy" plants and harm environment much more when we cultivate them and feed the beef cattle (which we then slaughter and eat). Scientists have counted that if all people become vegans, current farmland could feed every person of the planet and none would face famine.

No no, I am not vegan by myself.

[STN]

Actually this isn´t quite right. We "destroy" plants and harm environment much more when we cultivate them and feed the beef cattle (which we then slaughter and eat). Scientists have counted that if all people become vegans, current farmland could feed every person of the planet and none would face famine.

No no, I am not vegan by myself.

I just thought of it, what harms the environment more is our cars, deforestation and using A/Cs etc but hey, as long as animals aren't slaughtered.

[anatolian]

Just eat VEGAN food!!! It's the safest thing!

No meat
No Milk
No Cheese (to produce cheese, you get a protein from the gut of an animal and the animal is NOT KILLED in a halal way)
No eggs

Completely guilty and torture free!

And suffer from vitamin B12 deficiency :)

[sister herb]

I just thought of it, what harms the environment more is our cars, deforestation and using A/Cs etc but hey, as long as animals aren't slaughtered.

Here is good report about livestock industry´s influence to the environment, if you are interesting:

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/549

By the way, I afraid we are now quite far from the original topic... :embarrass

[STN]

Here is good report about livestock industry´s influence to the environment, if you are interesting:

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/549

By the way, I afraid we are now quite far from the original topic... :embarrass

Indeed and i think i offended the sister Bhabha I am known to be a little enthusiastic in my arguments =)

But i'll stop.

[Hamza Asadullah]

One can be Muslim and Vegan but a Muslim cannot condemn the consumption of meat and dairy based on one's desires and futile arguments against those who consume meat and dairy. As there is no doubt that the consumption of meat and dairy is an established Sunnah as well as the sacrificing of animals (Qurbani) each year in the blessed month of Dhul Hijjah which is compulsory (Waajib) upon those whom can afford to do so by distributing meat to the poor.

[LaSorcia]

:sl:



''And verily! In the cattle, there is a lesson for you. We give you to drink of that which is in their bellies, from between excretions and blood, pure milk; palatable to the drinkers'' (16:66).

He even describes milk as a "healing":

There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colours, in which there is healing for people. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. (16;69)

What about Qurbani every year? Do you also prescribe that as a "sick practice"? Therefore my sister we should not talk from our desires. It is your prerogative if you do not want to eat meat nor consume dairy, but to call a Sunnah practice "sick" and something that "should not be halal" is completely condemnable.

So please do not take such an "extremist vegan" approach and understand that as Muslims we have the choice of what we want to eat and drink of the permissible foods and drinks, but we cannot reject or condemn others for consuming that which is a Sunnah. However we can advise others to avoid "over consumption" of meat and to eat a healthy balanced diet mainly consisting of vegetables.

And Allah knows best in all matters

I see what you are saying. But on the other hand, the animals were treated very differently in the time of the Prophet (PBUH), than they are today. Factory farms are cruel and inhumane. I think we can find a wise balance by purchasing food from sources that are humane.

I will qualify my statement by saying that I do not know much about Islamic laws. If I spoke astray, please forgive me.

[Zzz_]

Only meat allowed for consumption in Islam is one where God's name was mentioned before killing the animal as humanely as possible. Which is why Islam allows us to eat zabiha (islamically slaughtered) meat or halal meat (slaughtered by people of the book). However, the meat available in the west is not halal. If you lived in a small town and know your local butcher to be a good Christian or Jew then you could get the meat from him. But in today's mass production meat industry, you don't know if the employees working in the slaughter house are people of the book much less religious people of the book who mention "in the name of God" before killing the animal. On that basis alone, it becomes susceptible whether the meat is halal or not.

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The other two reasons you shouldn't eat that meat are on the grounds of health and moral issues.

Moral issue - Islam commands kind treatment to animals, even at time of slaughtering which is contrary to what happens in the meat industry.

Health issues - animal abuse leads to cuts, infections, puss, feces/bacteria from unhygienic environment, growth hormones and other chemicals and GMO injections, all which lead to unhealthy meat.

[Hamza Asadullah]

I see what you are saying. But on the other hand, the animals were treated very differently in the time of the Prophet (PBUH), than they are today. Factory farms are cruel and inhumane. I think we can find a wise balance by purchasing food from sources that are humane.

I will qualify my statement by saying that I do not know much about Islamic laws. If I spoke astray, please forgive me.

As stated earlier it is actually emphasised in Islam to eat less meat as the Prophet's (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) diet was mostly vegetarian and he did not eat meat very often apart from on certain occasions. As a society particularly in certain cultures we consume far too much meat which causes detrimental affect to one's health. In the Muwatt Umar (Ra) says, ‘Beware of meat, because it has an addiction like the addiction of wine.’

However the issue in this thread was the fact that you had a member condemning others who eat meat and dairy which is utterly wrong. However I do agree that animals are treated inhumanely by many abattoirs and slaughterhouses and as Muslims we should ensure as far as possible that the meat we do consume is in accordance with proper Islamic Dhabeeha methods, which is that animals must be cared for and treated and slaughtered in the best way and manner possible so as to lessen pain and suffering to the animal.

Certainly if we can raise the animal and slaughter it ourselves then that is far better but is not practical for most. In an ideal world we should all consume grass fed organic meat and dairy but unfortunately at present it is not affordable or accessible for most.

[Umm Abed]

I see two different things are being discussed here, one, haram/halal food, and humane slaughter issue - which is a topic for another thread.

And @sister herb , yes the seafood issue as you explained, there's a difference of opinion, but as for meat/chicken, halal slaughtering in the name of Allah is a must for all madhabs.

I would like to also point out that there is no extremism in Islam, no compelled vegetarianism or anything which is done in excess. Islam is uses the middle path always, alhamdulillah.

[Umm♥Layth]

Why are admin allowing this thread to become derailed? If you guys wanna have a nutritional debate (I'm all for it as this is my field) please do it on another thread as this takes away from the topic.

As for the OP, you should describe the food you speak of and what you mean by "not halal". What are her justifications for doing what she does. You'll have to gently show her the importance of eating permissible foods.

Also people, he isn't sharing his real name (I assume) or private contact details for anyone to go find who the person he speaks of is. If he were to ask the question generally, he may not get the answer he seeks.

[Marina-Aisha]

u shouldnt just tell her that is haram u should also tell her its harmful for the body too..

[Abz2000]

It's amazing how the op has not even described what he claims he thinks is haram, yet has all these difference inducing notions about madhabs - "halal" means opened/allowed/released/untied by Allah.
Yet another makes a blanket comment on how lawful dairy products are unlawful, then after it is explained clearly by brother hamza, another brother decides to forget that east and west both belong to Allah in such a lengthy tirade that makes it easy for the other person to lash back and explain how she didn't really mean forbidden, but meant western, but that he should leave the west, then he comes back and says, I didn't mean west (in a similar fashion to the way she claimed she didn't mean dairy products - even though her post apparently implied that she initially did) - unless both or one were/was purposefully doing it in order to confuse or trick everyone.
And yet the original poster hasn't even bothered to clarify.......

Highly interesting, it speaks volumes about the effect the secualrist media bombardment has on such people who are perfectly happy to go from c to d to e ad infinitum without stopping to think about the validity of a.
Think about the psychology and how false notions can easily be installed in those hackable minds simply through a constant barrage of propaganda regardless of validity of premise.

Btw, since so much has been said, i may as well provide some useful information.
our village cows eat grass and rice stalks which no human eats, and yet multiple times that amount of long grass remains untouched in the plentiful marshes. So the cows, sheep, and goats are a bonus food, their milk is drunk and also left for calves, and their dung is also used on the fields before planting season, and for planting veg and trees for fruits and furniture and boats etc. They used to be regularly used to plough fields and also press stalks to separate rice.

Also, God knows what would happen to the price of vegetables if cattle were taken out of the natural eco-system and how much toxic compost and fertilizer would be added to "vegetables".