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Predator
11-11-2017, 01:30 PM
Malaysia Government takes U turn and is now willing to surrender him to india for trial and potential execution.

Perhaps they were threatened with sanctions and being declared a "terror state " , if they did not cooperate for extradition .

I guess they thought it would be better to sacrifice him and save the country from the trouble and being turned into another syria,iraq, yemen afghanistan etc .

Your thoughts . What do you think would happen to him now?


http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-...ts-extradition
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syphax
11-11-2017, 05:11 PM
I can't believe that the Muslim world is had fallen this low
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AbdurRahman.
11-11-2017, 09:08 PM
India wouldn't extradite him, they know they'll face so many terrorist attacks to get him freed

probably just a pr deal where Malaysia shows it is good friends with India so hindu radicals have the excuse to carry on trading with Malaysia
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Predator
11-12-2017, 06:11 AM
They will extradite him . The legal process is almost complete and they will soon be making a request to Malaysian government. I would have been a bit more optimistic if the case was going to be fought in international court of justice instead of indian court which can be controlled by government.

They consider him too much of a threat to future of Hinduism because of his popularity and success at conversions. I don't see anything less than life imprisonment or death sentence.
Time for him to pass on the baton to His son fariq to carry on the dawah work into future and next generation. thanks
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talibilm
11-12-2017, 06:56 AM
:sl:

I do not see any real proof from his speech that he supports terrorism in any way.

his speech is quoted out of context. Its better Dr Zakir Naik prepares a good smart attorney to face those fake, twisted charges and goes to India and faces it.
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AbdurRahman.
11-12-2017, 07:47 AM
Originally Posted by Predator
They will extradite him . The legal process is almost complete and they will soon be making a request to Malaysian government. I would have been a bit more optimistic if the case was going to be fought in international court of justice instead of indian court which can be controlled by government.

They consider him too much of a threat to future of Hinduism because of his popularity and success at conversions. I don't see anything less than life imprisonment or death sentence.
Time for him to pass on the baton to His son fariq to carry on the dawah work into future and next generation. thanks
ofcourse they'd want to give their country people the impression that they seriously want to extradite him but I doubt it, if they do than I'll eat my hat ...
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AbdurRahman.
11-12-2017, 09:23 AM
all Malaysia and India stand to loose is business with one another by malaysias refusal to extradite and Malaysia can do without a little India trade, they wouldn't extradite zakir just for that

India has no power to declare Malaysia a terrorist state and USA will not do India's bidding and suffer the harm of defriending an oil rich country like Malaysia over a 'non-entity' like zakir!

so the only way this makes any real sense is just the PR trade continuation!

- - - Updated - - -

the comments of politicians and media will have us believe zakir is about to be extradited, this additionally serves as some sensational story to sell, just like the media will have us believe that war is about to kick off with north Korea 1 month ago! ������
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Predator
11-12-2017, 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by talibilm
:sl:

I do not see any real proof from his speech that he supports terrorism in any way.

his speech is quoted out of context. Its better Dr Zakir Naik prepares a good smart attorney to face those fake, twisted charges and goes to India and faces it.
Going to India is suicide.he will be tortured in private. He offered a video conference,live TV conference, or a physical meeting in malaysia but those bunch of cowards did not take up the offer and only want a private conversation.

He has already said that he only wants to be challenged in a malaysian or international court
See the video below to understand more about why he doesn't want to go to India .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yKeuU63Ydjc
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talibilm
11-12-2017, 12:11 PM
Jazakallah khair , May Allah handle and prosecute the oppressors, Ameen.
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AbdurRahman.
11-12-2017, 12:27 PM
I think ultimately Allah is playing a part in this ...

The consensus says not believing in eternal jannah and jahannum is kufr

I once saw a video of Zakir Naik explaining that the life hereafter won't necessarily be eternal so it seems he could have been spreading dangerous beliefs:

https://youtu.be/s9MM3HJQxM0

1) matters about Islam that everyone knows, which even a child raised among Muslims would know, technically termed ma‘lum min al-din bi d-darura or “necessarily known as being of the religion”;

(2) matters that not everyone knows;

(3) and matters that are disagreed upon even by “those who know,” the ulema or scholars.

Affirmation or denial of tenets of faith within each category vary in their eternal
consequences because of their relative accessibility, and the individual’s opportunities to find them out.

Things That Everyone Knows

To deny anything of the first category above constitutes plain and open unbelief.

It includes such things as denying the oneness of Allah, the attributes of prophethood, that prophetic messengerhood has ended with Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace); the resurrection of the dead; the Final Judgement; the recompense; THE EVERLASTINGNESS OF PARADISE AND HELL; the obligatoriness of the prayer, zakat, fasting Ramadan, or the pilgrimage; the unlawfulness of wine or adultery; or anything else that is unanimously concurred upon and necessarily known by Muslims, since there is no excuse not to know these things in the lands of Islam; though for someone new to the religion, or raised in a wilderness, outside of the lands of Islam, or some other place where ignorance of the religion is rife and unavoidable, their ruling becomes that of the second category. As Imam Nawawi explains:

Any Muslim who denies something that is necessarily known to be of the religion of Islam is adjudged a renegade and an unbeliever (kafir) unless he is a recent convert or was born and raised in the wilderness or for some similar reason has
been unable to learn his religion properly. Muslims in such a condition should be
informed about the truth, and if they then continue as before, they are adjudged
non-Muslims, as is also the case with any Muslim who believes it permissible to commit adultery, drink wine, kill without right, or do other acts that are necessarily known to be unlawful (Sharh Sahih Muslim, 1.150).

https://archive.org/stream/NuhHaMimK...akfir_djvu.txt

ps: above excerpts are from a Sufi Scholar but he's also an Islamic Scholar too so above should be correct as it's nothing to do with Sufism
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talibilm
11-12-2017, 01:39 PM
@AbdullahAziz

:sl: Bro.

Allahu aalam , is it a punishment from Allah ? but this video seems to be at least more than 10 years old or when Dr Zakir Naik Started his dawah career. But Allah made him successful is what was seen in the later years. So we better leave it to Allah, The Haakim.

On seeing this video I understand that Dr Zakir is just comparing the The Awwal, The Aakir , the attributes of Allah to our human 's eternal existence. which is right, both are uncomparable , the attributes of Sifat , nature of Allah cannot be compared to no one BUT Allah himself . That does not mean he says that Humans will not have an eternal life. such questions by the asker in that video on the nature of Allah or comparing the unique nature Sifat of Allah are better avoided (satanic & Hadith had told not ask too many questions) or should be considered as muthashabihath and not to be much discussed imo

for example all the verses of the Glorious Quran says hell for eternity for disbelievers but there is some muthashabihath words here (bolded red below) in one verse which we better leave as Muthashabihath and Allah knows the best .

Muhsin Khan, 6:128
And on the Day when He will gather them (all) together (and say): "O you assembly of jinns! Many did you mislead of men," and their Auliya' (friends and helpers, etc.) amongst men will say: "Our Lord! We benefited one from the other, but now we have reached our appointed term which You did appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place, you will dwell therein forever, except as Allah may will. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing.
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Captain Howdy
11-19-2017, 05:36 AM
Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
India wouldn't extradite him, they know they'll face so many terrorist attacks to get him freed
This is not pseudo secular congress at the center rn

Originally Posted by talibilm
I do not see any real proof from his speech that he supports terrorism in any way.
Its not about terrorism only . He is also charged with money laundering .

Originally Posted by Predator
Going to India is suicide.he will be tortured in private.
Dont worry about that he will be tried in a civil court .
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sister herb
11-19-2017, 10:23 AM
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy
Its not about terrorism only . He is also charged with money laundering .
Being charged about the crime called "money laundering" seems to be a good excuse to imprison unwanted political person. Mr Putin and his regime favor it too when in the Russian political life someone´s popularity will rise too much. For example many possible president candidates have been in prison because of the money laundering. Maybe same tactic is used also in India.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...055023564.html
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AbdurRahman.
11-19-2017, 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy
This is not pseudo secular congress at the center rn


Its not about terrorism only . He is also charged with money laundering .


Dont worry about that he will be tried in a civil court .
It's a matter of weighing harm and benifits; no point in locking one man up (for no real reason really) and losing countless civilians in terrorist attacks

That's why the America killed bin Laden, there would have been endless terrorist attacks to get him freed

Zakir Naik doesn't have a terrorist network but Muslims will be so outraged at India's audacity and the extremists will go berserks
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sister herb
11-19-2017, 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by Predator
Going to India is suicide.he will be tortured in private.
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy

Dont worry about that he will be tried in a civil court .
Are you aware about human right organizations reports about torturing in India?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/12/19/...-go-unpunished
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AbdurRahman.
11-19-2017, 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy
Dont worry about that he will be tried in a civil court .
lolol India to be trusted??? ������, next you'll be saying we can trust judicial process from Trump in north Korea!!!! ���������������� �
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Captain Howdy
11-20-2017, 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
India to be trusted???
Moslems of India are safest moselms .

Originally Posted by sister herb
Are you aware about human right organizations reports
NGOs dont matter at all . If you are so much concerned than check hro reports in moslem countries ...

Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
It's a matter of weighing harm and benifits; no point in locking one man up (for no real reason really) and losing countless civilians in terrorist attacks
Its very beneficial to arrest him. Dont worry about terrorist attacks . We will take care of it .

Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
That's why the America killed bin Laden, there would have been endless terrorist attacks to get him freed
Osama was jewish agent . Created by CIA to destabilize Middle East .

Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
Zakir Naik doesn't have a terrorist network but Muslims will be so outraged at India's audacity and the extremists will go berserks
Originally Posted by sister herb
Being charged about the crime called "money laundering" seems to be a good excuse to imprison unwanted political person. Mr Putin and his regime favor it too when in the Russian political life someone´s popularity will rise too much. For example many possible president candidates have been in prison because of the money laundering. Maybe same tactic is used also in India.
market value of his assets is like 1 billion USD . He hasnt disclosed the source . Fair enough .
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AbdurRahman.
11-20-2017, 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy
Moslems of India are safest moselms
murdered when they sacrifice a cow???, yeah sure! ������
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sister herb
11-20-2017, 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy
NGOs dont matter at all . If you are so much concerned than check hro reports in moslem countries ...
We can´t justify crimes against humanity and human rights in one country because some others in some other countries may do the similar crimes. Every crime against humanity is separate and we have to take it seriously. Human rights organization make usually their work in very hard conditions and you should take their reports the most seriously, not only deny them because you don´t like the truth they tell about.
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Mustafa16
11-20-2017, 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
lolol India to be trusted??? ������, next you'll be saying we can trust judicial process from Trump in north Korea!!!!
actually north korea is a totalitarian state charged with crimes against humanity which constantly threatens its neighbors and the United States , as well as starves its own people.
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Mustafa16
11-20-2017, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy
This is not pseudo secular congress at the center rn


Its not about terrorism only . He is also charged with money laundering .


Dont worry about that he will be tried in a civil court .
I wouldn't be surprised if a radical salafi like him (I hesitate to say wahhabi due to mods interfering with all my posts....Allah knows what sect they belong to) WAS guilty of money laundering.
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Captain Howdy
11-20-2017, 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
murdered when they sacrifice a cow???, yeah sure!
Sunni don’t bomb Shia Masjid here, actually I have seen them offering Salat/Namaz/Prayer of Juma together.
Our President is not thinking to drop chemical bomb on you .
Here, we do not kill women if she fails to prove that she was raped. We do not lynch her if she burns Quran which was in garbage by chance .
You enjoy equality here. Education, Government job, Armed Forces, Private Sector, etc. do not discriminate us on basis of religion. And, Muslim women can vote and drive here.
Indian armed forces protect your back without asking the name of your deen .

Now WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT MOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR do you want wew.
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Captain Howdy
11-20-2017, 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by sister herb
We can´t justify crimes against humanity and human rights in one country because some others in some other countries may do the similar crimes.
Yes thats right . But you cant use hro reports as a tool and bring hurdles in Law process. NIA has concrete evidence that zakir naik used foreign funds for the purpose of conversions .
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Abz2000
11-20-2017, 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by Captain Howdy
Sunni don’t bomb Shia Masjid here, actually I have seen them offering Salat/Namaz/Prayer of Juma together.
Our President is not thinking to drop chemical bomb on you .
Here, we do not kill women if she fails to prove that she was raped. We do not lynch her if she burns Quran which was in garbage by chance .
You enjoy equality here. Education, Government job, Armed Forces, Private Sector, etc. do not discriminate us on basis of religion. And, Muslim women can vote and drive here.
Indian armed forces protect your back without asking the name of your deen .

Now WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT MOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR do you want wew.
Does all that theoretical -on the surface- stuff (which is in actuality countered by crooked and sold out politicians who work via criminal gangs and "cow vigilante groups" etc) also include jammu and kashmir which the indian government doesn't have lawful international claim over - yet claims that they are a part of india?
Or maybe you also believe the people of Jammu and kashmir not have any of those fake rights due to the fact that the people of the region wanted to be a part of pakistan after and during the lynchings and massacres that caused unprecedented migrations and concentrated huge amounts of india's Muslims into the northern regions of india in a way not dissimilar to the current events in burma and bangladesh, bangladesh's population is highly concentrated for a very strong reason, and that reason is not primarily birth related - it was the last refuge for those in the north-east who were made to suffer the tremendous atrocities at the hands of highly organised and well protected "vigilante groups".
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Captain Howdy
11-21-2017, 02:45 AM
Originally Posted by Abz2000
Or maybe you also believe the people of Jammu and kashmir not have any of those fake rights due to the fact that the people of the region wanted to be a part of pakistan
You do realize Two Nation Theory is a massive fail paki. 1971 is live example .

Originally Posted by Abz2000
Does all that theoretical -on the surface- stuff (which is in actuality countered by crooked and sold out politicians who work via criminal gangs and "cow vigilante groups" etc) also include jammu and kashmir which the indian government doesn't have lawful international claim over - yet claims that they are a part of india?
Obviously you have to respect faith of other religions as well . Otherwise terrible repercussions will happen.
Lol what Kashmir ;D. You do realize your ancestors were all hindus . Are you the one from that zaid brigade ?
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syphax
11-21-2017, 12:38 PM
Captain howdy from your posts you made it like India is a safe place to live but we know for fact that India is a leading figure in rape crime in the world we also know in some part of India they buries baby alive because they are girls ( I seen it in a franch documentary ) and in some others parents sell there children to workshops . there is many hate crimes against Muslims ( they upload them on YouTube) recently there is many tourists agency that don't mention the taj mahal because to them it doesn't represent India ( from TRT world news ) and many other incidents so yes India is developing but it's doesn't made her less corrupt and yes the Muslim world is corrupt but as much as India if l were Dr zakir l wouldn't go to India
And to denies this facts it will be a hypocrisy
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Predator
04-07-2018, 08:07 AM
Acid test now for deputy prime minister as to whether he is going to surrender Zakir like another puppet or will let him fight the case in court.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma...aik-extradited

India wants Zakir Naik extradited | Malaysia | Malay Mail Online
KUALA LUMPUR, March 31 — The Indian government has officially sought for Dr Zakir Naik’s extradition, the Indian national and controversial preacher who currently enjoys protection in | Malaysia | Malay Mail Online...
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Misbah-Abd
04-07-2018, 10:11 AM
"India claimed the preacher deliberately insulted the religious beliefs of Hindus, Christians and Islamic sects like Shia, Sufi and Barelvi, and his speeches influenced recruits to join the terrorist group, Islamic State." I thought he was just a comparative religion speaker like his teacher Ahmed Deedat? And whats it to India what he says around the world out of their country?
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Predator
04-07-2018, 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
"India claimed the preacher deliberately insulted the religious beliefs of Hindus, Christians and Islamic sects like Shia, Sufi and Barelvi, and his speeches influenced recruits to join the terrorist group, Islamic State." I thought he was just a comparative religion speaker like his teacher Ahmed Deedat? And whats it to India what he says around the world out of their country?
They just want to try and prevent Islam from spreading there and they think getting rid of zakir naik would help prevent the spread of islam in india and they can show it as a political achievement so that they can retain power in 2019 elections.
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Junon
04-07-2018, 08:58 PM
Salaam

Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
"India claimed the preacher deliberately insulted the religious beliefs of Hindus, Christians and Islamic sects like Shia, Sufi and Barelvi, and his speeches influenced recruits to join the terrorist group, Islamic State." I thought he was just a comparative religion speaker like his teacher Ahmed Deedat? And whats it to India what he says around the world out of their country?
This is what I thought, he did a lot of comparisons between various faiths and Islam, he engaged in many dialogues.
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azc
04-08-2018, 04:52 AM
Perkasa chief Datuk Ibrahim Ali said today’s decision proved Dr Zakir is a “world class preacher” and “clean”.

“The allegations against Dr Zakir — claiming that his sermons have inspired terrorists — are not true. The perception against him has been created by certain parties with their own agenda.
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma...aiks-expulsion
“So I hope with this decision Dr Zakir can move freely, can give his sermons and he will be left alone,” said Ibrahim.
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Alamgir
04-08-2018, 07:50 AM
Originally Posted by Predator
They just want to try and prevent Islam from spreading there and they think getting rid of zakir naik would help prevent the spread of islam in india and they can show it as a political achievement so that they can retain power in 2019 elections.
Asalamu Alaikum

They have been left permanently scarred by the fact that Muslims dominated the Indian sub-continent for a thousand years.

Whenever one of them starts cussing Islam, bring up Ghaznavi or Alamgir and watch how embarrassed they get.
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