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GushingWater
02-22-2018, 08:24 AM
Many scholars have stated that chess is haram. But, I would like to ask people in the community here, why is it deemed haram?

I sometimes play chess and the truth is I have never thought of it as gambling or a waste of time as I usually play only 30 mins to 1 hour at the most.

And, can it be permissible to play chess in the following conditions :

1. No gambling
2. No wasting too much time which would delay Salah.

Someone please explain!
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Alamgir
02-22-2018, 07:30 PM
Asalamu Alaikum

Because Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) said so.

https://islamqa.info/en/14095

Ruling on playing chess - islamqa.info
I wana ask if chessthe type played now a daysis allowed in islam or not...
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azc
02-23-2018, 02:37 AM
Islam doesn't allow us to play chess... This reason is enough.
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Reminder
02-23-2018, 08:53 AM
Originally Posted by GushingWater
Many scholars have stated that chess is haram. But, I would like to ask people in the community here, why is it deemed haram?

I sometimes play chess and the truth is I have never thought of it as gambling or a waste of time as I usually play only 30 mins to 1 hour at the most.

And, can it be permissible to play chess in the following conditions :

1. No gambling
2. No wasting too much time which would delay Salah.

Someone please explain!
Lots of Muslims play chess. It's surprising that it is considered haram. Although what benefit to society does it offer us?

And even if it doesn't offer much benefit, I was under the impression that haram meant bad, not just neutral or whatever, and I don't see how chess is outright bad for us, so it's makruh.
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99sobi
02-23-2018, 09:35 AM
The scholars have agreed that it is at least makrooh (disliked), while some go even further and say that it is haraam. In shaa Allah, the link above will give you the fatwa regarding that. We mustn't ask why something is forbidden by Allah. He is all-knowing and all-wise, and everything He prohibits is for our benefit.

https://islamqa.info/en/14095
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Ümit
02-23-2018, 10:11 AM
I am not satisfied with this answer.
the first sentence on https://islamqa.info/en/14095:

“When chess distracts us from what we are obliged to do both inwardly and outwardly, it is haraam according to the consensus of the scholars"

This means, that if chess does not distract you from your obligations or if you do not play it for money, then, it might be halaal?

How is chess like gambling? you do not gamble in chess...not like backgammon where you roll dice and need a certain amount of luck to win.
chess is a game of skills and experience. with this reasoning all kinds of gaming is forbidden. in fact, you can throw your gaming console out of the window, because that thing also distracts you from your obligations. playing sudoku or other kind of puzzle games is also haraam then.
you need more luck for monopoly than for chess...then monopoly is also haraam.
reading a good book can distract you from your obligations and therefore haraam...and I could go on.

The verse quoted in islamqa:With regard to the views of the Sahaabah:
It was narrated that ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) passed by some people who were playing chess. He said, “What are these images, to which you are devoted? [cf. al-Anbiya’ 21:52]” Imaam Ahmad said: “The soundest comment on chess what that which was said by ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him).”

I checked Tafsir ibn Kathir about sourah Anbiya 21:52.
this verse is about Ibrahim as and about the idol worship. I cannot find anything pointing towards chess.

So for me it is unclear why chess is haraam.
can anyone provide a saheeh hadeeth where chess is stated as haraam? I cannot find any.

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I am not satisfied with this answer.
the first sentence on https://islamqa.info/en/14095:

“When chess distracts us from what we are obliged to do both inwardly and outwardly, it is haraam according to the consensus of the scholars"

This means, that if chess does not distract you from your obligations or if you do not play it for money, then, it might be halaal?

How is chess like gambling? you do not gamble in chess...not like backgammon where you roll dice and need a certain amount of luck to win.
chess is a game of skills and experience. with this reasoning all kinds of gaming is forbidden. in fact, you can throw your gaming console out of the window, because that thing also distracts you from your obligations. playing sudoku or other kind of puzzle games is also haraam then.
you need more luck for monopoly than for chess...then monopoly is also haraam.
reading a good book can distract you from your obligations and therefore haraam...and I could go on.

The verse quoted in islamqa:With regard to the views of the Sahaabah:
It was narrated that ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) passed by some people who were playing chess. He said, “What are these images, to which you are devoted? [cf. al-Anbiya’ 21:52]” Imaam Ahmad said: “The soundest comment on chess what that which was said by ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him).”

I checked Tafsir ibn Kathir about sourah Anbiya 21:52.
this verse is about Ibrahim as and about the idol worship. I cannot find anything pointing towards chess.

So for me it is unclear why chess is haraam.
can anyone provide a saheeh hadeeth where chess is stated as haraam? I cannot find any.

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Originally Posted by 99sobi
The scholars have agreed that it is at least makrooh (disliked), while some go even further and say that it is haraam. In shaa Allah, the link above will give you the fatwa regarding that. We mustn't ask why something is forbidden by Allah. He is all-knowing and all-wise, and everything He prohibits is for our benefit.

https://islamqa.info/en/14095
No, first we must accept that something is forbidden, but then we really do must ask why something is forbidden by Allah.
because by doing so we get a lot more understanding of our beautiful religion and with every answer found we gain more confidence and our imaan gets stronger inshaallah.
just following the rules and not asking why you feel like sheep. if you encounter someone with tough questions about your religion which you cannot answer, this person then may cause you doubt.
besides, this person then even might think "silly Islam with its silly rules..."
nothing like that...we have a solid religion which is logic and natural...every piece fits perfectly...and we can explain everything to everyone.

So do not be ignorant...do your research...and make sure you understand what is hiding behind everything.
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99sobi
02-23-2018, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by umie
No, first we must accept that something is forbidden, but then we really do must ask why something is forbidden by Allah.
because by doing so we get a lot more understanding of our beautiful religion and with every answer found we gain more confidence and our imaan gets stronger inshaallah.
just following the rules and not asking why you feel like sheep. if you encounter someone with tough questions about your religion which you cannot answer, this person then may cause you doubt.
besides, this person then even might think "silly Islam with its silly rules..."
nothing like that...we have a solid religion which is logic and natural...every piece fits perfectly...and we can explain everything to everyone.

So do not be ignorant...do your research...and make sure you understand what is hiding behind everything.
:sl:

Jazakallahu Khairan for your reply.

I acknowledge that perhaps my post was insufficiently explained. I didn't intend to mean that we shouldn't at all understand rulings from Allah. Indeed, we should always understand why Allah has prohibited things for us, so that we know the wisdom behind the prohibition. I was referring to constant doubts about Allah and his commands; such as, asking "Why has Allah done this? Why has Allah done that? Why can't we do this?", which creates doubts about the religion and is from the waswas from Shaytaan.

May Allah protect us from the evil whispers of Shaytaan and keep us steadfast on the deen.

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This question of chess was put to Shaykh Assim al Hakeem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie6nNcj3hsA

In shaa Allah I will post an abridged version of his reply below:

The ruling of playing chess is an issue of dispute among scholars. Some scholars say that playing chess, like any other recreational game, has no benefit except wasting time, and in a lot of cases, wasting prayers; people who are engaged are so possessed in it, that they postpone or delay prayers, which is why they look at such games as a waste of time and a way of neglecting Allah. Others say that chess gives boost to the intellect because it helps the individual think of effective strategies; so if a person is balanced and knows when to play and when to quit, and he avoids the certain conditions that make it haraam, then in sha Allah, it is permissible. These conditions are that it is not done during prayer time or before prayer time (so that one misses or delays the prayer); there is no gambling or reward (if I win, I get this); and the players are not possessed or so engaged in it, or spending hours playing it, that it causes them to neglect the remembrance of Allah or their affairs or responsibilities. Shaykh Albani, may Allah have mercy on his soul, says that if we remove the horse head because it's a statue of a living creature, then it is permissible.

The question was also put to Dr. Shabir Ally:

There's nothing wrong with a game of chess by itself. Chess can take a lot of time to play, so one who is engrossed in playing may find themselves missing prayers or neglecting their responsibilities. This is left to the judgement of the player. They should use recreational activities in moderation and balance their life between recreational activities and their responsibilities. This goes for sports and other games as well.
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Supernova
02-23-2018, 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by GushingWater
Many scholars have stated that chess is haram. But, I would like to ask people in the community here, why is it deemed haram?

I sometimes play chess and the truth is I have never thought of it as gambling or a waste of time as I usually play only 30 mins to 1 hour at the most.

And, can it be permissible to play chess in the following conditions :

1. No gambling
2. No wasting too much time which would delay Salah.

Someone please explain!

Asalaamualaykum:

There is a common confusion regarding this issue.

The game of Chess is regarded as impermissible based on the condition of Time-wasting and the abandonment of other Islamic practices. Together with this will fall any other board game (As long as there is no promotion of gambling or any other obvious Haraam)

When it comes to Backgammon - There is clear Hadith regarding it as impermissible. (This is based on the fact there is a dice involved which in turn is related to gambling or rather promotes the concept of gambling)

In my experience - Sometimes one of two things happens when you ask an Aalim/a about Chess:

a) He/She regards it impermissible forgetting to explain the condition involved.

b) He/She actually mixes up Chess for the Ruling regarding Backgammon !!! and deems it Haraam.

The third option being that they explain the Ruling Spot on and its all good.
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Reminder
02-23-2018, 06:10 PM
For something to be haram, there must be clear evidence from Quran, hadith or common sense that it is BAD for us.

Anything can be considered something that causes us to miss prayer. Work. School. Sex. Travelling. Eating. Reading. Studying. Exercising.

After all if you're working out too long you could forget to pray. :D
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People can say chess is haram, but unless there's a clear explanation of how it's actually harmful ​then at the very most it could be called mukruh.
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Zzz_
02-23-2018, 08:09 PM
I can understand some of your reservations regarding this. I too don't see how chess could be haram and harmful. But regardless of what we see or can't see, we have to look at what view is of Islam and those esteemed and recognized as authoritative in Islam. And islam is a religion of majority (jammah).

So here's how I see the text at the given link.

"When chess distracts us from what we are obliged to do.... it is haram" - fair enough
" if it involves anything that is haraam ... then it is haram" - fair enough

"But if it does not distract us from our obligations or involve anything that is haraam, then there is a difference of scholarly opinion" - ok so what's the majority view?

"The majority of scholars (Abu Haneefah, Maalik, Ahmad and some of the companions of al-Shaafa’i) said that it is also haraam"

Above is based on the ayah [al-Maa’idah 5:90-91] ,

So someone on the authority of the Quran can tell us what that verse really means?

yes,
Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “This aayah indicates that it is haraam to play dice or chess, whether that involves gambling or not"
The Sahaabah were the best of the Muslims and best of the first generation of Muslims and understood Islam the best. So what do they say?
‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) was asked about chess and he said, “It is worse than dice.”
ok so what about the scholars?

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Chess is like dice in that it is forbidden.” (al-Mughni, 14/155),

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The evil consequences of chess are greater than the evil consequences of dice. Everything that points to the prohibition of dice points to the prohibition of chess even more so… This is the view of Maalik and his companions, of Abu Haneefah and his companions, of Ahmad and his companions, and the view of the majority of the Taabi’een

Al-Dhahabi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “With regard to chess, most of the scholars say that it is haraam to play it, whether that is for money or not. If it is played for money then it is indisputably gambling. Even if it is not played for money it is still gambling and haraam, according to most of the scholars

al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing chess, is it forbidden or permissible? He (may Allaah have mercy on him) replied that if it makes a person miss praying on time or he plays for money, then it is haraam, otherwise it is makrooh according to al-Shaafa’i and haraam according to others…” (al-Kabaa’ir, 89-90).
So what do i get from all that? the sahabah were against it, the tabien were against it, majority of the scholars are against it. Among the scholars, none allowed it. Some said its haram others said its makruh. So at the very least it is makrooh. So what does makrooh mean?

Makrooh in Arabic means the opposite of liked or loved.


In the terminology of sharee’ah it means that which the Lawgiver asks us not to do, but not in a definitive manner. It may be said that it means that for which the person who does not do it out of obedience will be rewarded, but the one who does it will not be punished.

Take all that for what it is and choose what you want to do. Everyone will be rewarded according to their level of aiming to please Allah.
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ChosenTCO
02-24-2018, 09:49 AM
I honestly believe that all evidences that people use against chess is either inauthentic or misunderstood (in that, chess in these evidences refer to a completely different game than what we know of today). This is because I strongly believe that, neither the sahaaba or their successors were dumb enough to compare chess with dice games. You see, in order to pass judgement about something, you must first understand it and the logic behind it. If you dont then you will be giving something an unfair judgement.

How in God's name can chess be compared to dice games in any way, shape or form? You must understand that chess has no element of chance or uncertainty in it because of the nature of this game, while other dice games like monopoly, ludo, snakes and laers, have its core concept based on chance and uncertainty of the dice throw. So how can one come to tell that is it similar in dice games or even worse? Based on such logic then any game in this world can be rendered haram :o

If we are assuming that it is because of gambling, then i honestly dont know since when did chess ever consist of gambling. I mean if you truly want to go gamble then go to a game that is solely based on luck not chess :facepalm:. Chess is based on skill and strategy! When was it ever a game of chance? And if we are talking about the few people that actually bet on the winner, well i can say that this happens in almost every sport (from swimming, to horse racing) does that give me the right to render the entire game haram? OFC not.

Finally, if we are making it haram because of the time wasting factor then we can make almost everything haram these days. Playing all games in the world, working, studying, visiting family and helping the poor, typing long texts on the computer, sleeping more than which is enough to not make you die the next day ... even excessive ibaada that makes your forget your prayers or delay them. Is it ok for us to forbid these entire actions all together? ofcourse not! so lets not state this as an excuses to forbid the entire game in of itself. La hawla wala kuwata illa bellah. Has things become so bad that such simplicity even needs to be explained?

Curse those forge fake hadiths or narrations then attribute them to the Prophet (PBUS) and the people of knowledge in order to missguide people like us (all of us on IB) and those who seek truth ...
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Abz2000
07-12-2018, 09:00 PM
Playing Chess: Permissible?



Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


Dear sister in Islam, thanks a lot for your question which reflects your care to have a clear view of the teachings of Islam. Allah commands Muslims to refer to people of knowledge to get themselves well-acquainted with the teachings of Islam.



In his well-known book, The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam, the prominent Muslim scholar, Sheik Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

“Chess is a very popular game, and the opinion of jurists concerning it varies. Some scholars consider it halal (permissible), others consider it makruh (reprehensible), and still others consider it haram (unlawful).

Those who consider it haram cite some hadiths in support of their view, but researchers have proved that chess did not appear until after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Thus all such hadiths must have been fabricated.

The Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with them all) themselves held different views about playing chess. Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said that it is worse than backgammon and `Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) regarded it as gambling (perhaps meaning when it is played for money), while some others merely expressed disapproval of it.

However, some Companions and some of the second generation of scholars allowed it. Among those were Ibn `Abbas, Abu Hurayrah, Ibn Sirin, Hisham bin `Umrah, and Sa`id Ibn Al-Musayyib. We agree with those great jurists, since the original principle is the permissibility of acts and no text is to be found prohibiting it.

Moreover, in addition to being a game and a recreation, chess is also a mental exercise which requires thought and planning. In this respect, it is the opposite of backgammon, for while backgammon is a game of chance and therefore comparable to divining with arrows, chess is a game of skill and strategy, which may be compared to archery.

However, playing chess is permissible only if the following conditions are met:

1- One should not get so absorbed in it that he delays his prayer; chess is well-known to be a stealer of time.

2- There should be no gambling involved.

3- The players should not utter obscenities or vulgarities.

If any of these conditions are not met it should be considered as haram.”

You can also read:

Islam and Recreation

May Allah guide you to the straight path, and direct you to that which pleases Him, Amen.





Allah Almighty knows best.

https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=6636







History of chess

The history of chess can be traced back nearly 1500 years, although the earliest origins are uncertain. The earliest predecessor of the game probably originated in India, before the 6th century AD; a minority of historians believe the game originated in China. From India, the game spread to Persia. When the Arabs conquered Persia, chess was taken up by the Muslim world and subsequently spread to Southern Europe. In Europe, chess evolved into roughly its current form in the 15th century.



"Romantic Chess" was the predominant chess playing style from the late 15th century to the 1880s.[1] Chess games of this period emphasised more on quick, tactical maneuvers rather than long-term strategic planning.[1] The Romantic era of play was followed by the Scientific, Hypermodern, and New Dynamism eras.[1] In the second half of the 19th century, modern chess tournament play began, and the first World Chess Championship was held in 1886. The 20th century saw great leaps forward in chess theory and the establishment of the World Chess Federation (FIDE). Developments in the 21st century include use of computers for analysis, which originated in the 1970s with the first programmed chess games on the market. Online gaming appeared in the mid-1990s.

Chess remains a highly popular pastime among the general populace to this day. A 2012 survey found that "chess players now make up one of the largest communities in the world: 605 million adults play chess regularly". Chess is played at least once a year by 12% of British people, 15% of Americans, 23% of Germans, 43% of Russians, and 70% of Indian people.[2]

Chess passed from Persia to the Arab world, where its name changed to Arabic shatranj. From there it passed to Western Europe, probably via Spain.

Over the centuries, features of European chess (e.g. the modern moves of queen and bishop, and castling) found their way via trade into Islamic areas. Murray's[16] sources found the old moves of queen and bishop still current in Ethiopia. The game became so popular it was used in writing at that time, played by nobility and regular people. The poet al-Katib once said, "The skilled player places his pieces in such a way as to discover consequences that the ignorant man never sees... thus, he serves the Sultan’s interests, by showing how to foresee disaster."[7]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chess
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Karl
07-14-2018, 05:47 AM
You don't need scholars, just read the Quran. No chess even mentioned.
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Karl
07-14-2018, 06:50 AM
Originally Posted by Reminder
Lots of Muslims play chess. It's surprising that it is considered haram. Although what benefit to society does it offer us?
Wait a minute though. Since when did my obligation go beyond having to pay my own way in life? I don't owe complete strangers ANYTHING to begin with. This thing you call "society" doesn't actually exist ANYWAY. There are many societies, yes, but "society"? No, there is no such thing. I cannot possibly owe something anything, particularly if it doesn't even exist to begin with.

Another couple of expressions that appear to actually exist in many peoples imaginations (particularly those with ambitions of knocking over sovereign states and replacing them with a totalitarian globalist one world government) is what they refer to as "the International Community", but in reality that is also something that simply does not exist. The other inane expression is "The human race". There are races, yes, and MANY races too, but The "human race" simply does not exist except in the minds of a leftist loons.

I know every time someone utters these kinds of ridiculous expressions that they are either leftists themselves or they are stupid enough to have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by leftists to believe that such expressions are meaningful and valid.
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ahmed.younes
07-14-2018, 06:58 AM
There is a difference of opinion. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdEd...&frags=pl%2Cwn

Ruling on Playing Chess? - YouTube
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keiv
07-14-2018, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by azc
Islam doesn't allow us to play chess... This reason is enough.
For the sake of educational purposes, is there a specific ayat, hadith, ruling, etc. that you are referring to?
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Nitro Zeus
07-14-2018, 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by keiv
For the sake of educational purposes, is there a specific ayat, hadith, ruling, etc. that you are referring to?
According to this site http://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask...-say-on-chess/

you can play chess as long as gambling is not involved.
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azc
07-14-2018, 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by keiv
For the sake of educational purposes, is there a specific ayat, hadith, ruling, etc. that you are referring to?
Prophet (sallallahu alahi wa sallam) has said, “A person who plays chess is cursed and those who watch is like the consumer of pig meat.”
(Kanzul Ummal Hadith no. 636)

In another Hadith, Prophet (sallallahu alahi wa sallam) said, “Allah Ta’ala reveals mercy to His slaves everyday for 360 days but the one who plays chess will not partake any mercy.”

(Kanzul Ummal Hadith No. 656)

Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) said: “Chess is the gambling of non-Arabs.”

(al-Bayhaqi in his Shu’ab al-Iman)

Sayyiduna Abu Musa al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) said: “Only a sinner plays chess.” (ibid)

He was once asked about chess and he replied: “It is useless (batil) and Allah does not like useless things.” (ibid)

Moreover, scholarly consensus on its prohibition can't be baseless.

Note: I don't know about authenticity of quoted ahadith.
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Abz2000
07-14-2018, 06:44 PM
Any true believer in Allah :swt: and the last day who has the brains to play chess properly feels that it's not haram without even looking at ahadith. And any true believer in Allah :swt: and the last day who reads the dodgy ahadith made up by ignorants and attempted repressers of Islam in the name of Allah :swt: 's messenger :saws: feels that they're fake - and knows that they're FAKE once he gains a wider knowledge on the issue.

I like the bit where Caliph al Mahdi says to an unrepentant persistent liar: "verily your NECK is the NECK of one who puts false sayings into the mouth of the Prophet" - and then orders that the pigeon be SLAUGHTERED.
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azc
07-15-2018, 04:37 AM
Originally Posted by Abz2000
Any true believer in Allah :swt: and the last day who has the brains to play chess properly feels that it's not haram without even looking at ahadith. And any true believer in Allah :swt: and the last day who reads the dodgy ahadith made up by ignorants and attempted repressers of Islam in the name of Allah :swt: 's messenger :saws: feels that they're fake - and knows that they're FAKE once he gains a wider knowledge on the issue.

I like the bit where Caliph al Mahdi says to an unrepentant persistent liar: "verily your NECK is the NECK of one who puts false sayings into the mouth of the Prophet" - and then orders that the pigeon be SLAUGHTERED.
indeed, the authenticity of quoted hadith of kanzul ummal is unknown though but it can't be fabricated because sayings of sahaba ikram ra regarding prohibition of chess are authentic corroborate such ahadith.

And in such cases where no marfoo hadith is found in main sources of ahadith, mawqoof even maqtoo are accepted.

If someone thinks otherwise, at least, should substantiate his claim with authentic evidences, else pointless argument has no importance.
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Abz2000
07-15-2018, 05:19 AM
You have already been provided with a clear analysis of the topic here:

Why have scholars state chess haram?


Why is it that is see the hoopie doing constant methane whoopees? - pushing "pick a gas filled star to worship" lol - careful coz they set whereas Allah the Most High is eternal.

Why have scholars state chess haram?

Many scholars have stated that chess is haram. But, I would like to ask people in the community here, why is it deemed haram? I sometimes play chess an...


Is your surname "trump"? Know that pulling fake idiotic trump cards and naming names for which Allah has given no authority won't mean that you actually trump.
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ahmed.younes
07-15-2018, 05:48 AM
Originally Posted by azc
indeed, the authenticity of quoted hadith of kanzul ummal is unknown though but it can't be fabricated because sayings of sahaba ikram ra regarding prohibition of chess are authentic corroborate such ahadith.

And in such cases where no marfoo hadith is found in main sources of ahadith, mawqoof even maqtoo are accepted.

If someone thinks otherwise, at least, should substantiate his claim with authentic evidences, else pointless argument has no importance.
Fear allah.

First of all, you are not a scholar to force your opinion down someones throat.
Second, you cannot support your arguments using fabricated Hadith.

There is a valid difference of opinion regarding the issue of chess, so whats all this commotion for? Why are you bumping heads with each other? Not surprised tbh... Same old keyboard warrior non-sense.
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azc
07-15-2018, 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by ahmed.younes
Fear allah.

First of all, you are not a scholar to force your opinion down someones throat.
Second, you cannot support your arguments using fabricated Hadith.

There is a valid difference of opinion regarding the issue of chess, so whats all this commotion for? Why are you bumping heads with each other? Not surprised tbh... Same old keyboard warrior non-sense.
It's not my opinion. Plz see quoted Hadith and aasar of sahaba ikram ra in these links

https://islamqa.org/hanafi/muftisays...0%2C4851471055

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8549

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If you think playing chess is doubtful, you should not play it.

On the authority Abi Ab’dillahi al-Nu’man ibn Basheer (ra) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: “That which is lawful is clear and that which is unlawful is clear and between the two of them are doubtful [or ambiguous] matters about which not many people are knowledgeable. Thus, he who avoids these doubtful matters certainly clears himself in regard to his religion and his honor. But he who falls into the doubtful matters falls into that which is unlawful like the shepherd who pastures around a sanctuary, all but grazing therein. Verily every king has a sanctuary and Allah’s sanctuary is His prohibition. In the body there is a morsel of flesh which, if it be sound, all the body is sound and which, if it be diseased, all the body is diseased. This part of the body is the heart”.
[Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim]
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azc
07-15-2018, 12:45 PM
@Abz2000 :

However, some Companions and some of the second generation of scholars allowed it. Among those were Ibn `Abbas, Abu Hurayrah, Ibn Sirin, Hisham bin `Umrah, and Sa`id Ibn Al-Musayyib.
It's an ambiguous statement of sh qardawi,
can you Post what these sahaba ikram ra actually said about chess..? and the names of the books as well.
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ardianto
07-15-2018, 01:00 PM
Assalamualaikum.

If some people prefer to play game rather than work, rather than perform ibadah, ....... will you blame the game?, or you will blame the players who play the game?.

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If you blame the game, it's mean you stand with scholars who say chess is haram.

If you blame the players, it's mean you stand with scholars who permit playing chess as long as do not neglect obligation to perform ibadah.
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Abz2000
07-15-2018, 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by azc
@Abz2000 :


It's an ambiguous statement of sh qardawi,
can you Post what these sahaba ikram ra actually said about chess..? and the names of the books as well.
If i knew i would - but i do know that Persia was conquered in the time of 'Umar :ra: and after the death of Allah :swt: 's messenger :saws: and believe that some people who didn't know the mental benefits of the game and saw it as a waste of time - decided to add it to their games of chance lists - and as with many others who played "Prophet :saws: said" instead of chess or drums etc, or others who liked gambling on camel races, hoofed animal races, and archery etc - they decided to gain false authority for their opinions.
the rest is irrelevant once the facts are clear and obvious.

And please don't pull any fake ahadith telling me that drinking plain water that is lawfully obtained is haraam (except during the day in ramadan of course) - even that's been pulled on me in the past in a sly way in order to get me jittery - i won't spend a moment searching to provide you with any proofs and will inform you with certainty and full assurance from Allah :swt: Himself and with authority that they are fake ahadith - and i will take full responsibility for my actions knowing that if i anger Allah - i must face the penalty of a mighty day.

Keep it real.


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