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critical
03-15-2018, 01:04 PM
This man(charlatan) is spending lots of resources on a very weird theory ,
a theory that leads to immorality and destruction at its greatest level.

He has a website wholly dedicated towards spreading this idea.
You know how he draws attention to his website ? He uses pictures of
Nature and gardens ,rivers and flowers ,to give the people the impression that
he ia reminding them of paradise.While there is nothing wrong with this,
his purpose is deceiving.

Now all his power goes towards : Matter is an illusion ,the material word does
not exist.The same idea that other charlatans like him trying to convince people
that we are just hallucinating and the world is not real ,among them many neuroscientists.

You know what "the world is not real ,it is just a hallucinating mind ,outside the mind
there is nothing" means ?
It means only YOU exist ,if everything is in my mind ,that includes other people and
you know what that means ? It means they are just imaginary figures ,with no real value ,
just images in the mind.
How wicked must a person be to propagate such ideas ?
Iblis was cursed because of the "I".
"I" am better ,I am higher.
There is no difference in a person who belives that everything is just in his mind and Iblis.Being in this state is the super state of selfishness.

And then you have countless so called spiritual teachers on the Internet who spread
the same idea to people ,the world is an illusion ,matter does not exist .....
Ou know what those spiritual snake oil sellers are trying to achieve ?
They are tricking the people into believing that only the teacher knows the truh and secrets of life.And Harun Yaha ,this charlatan ,is doing the same.Have you ever seen how brainwashed his cult followers are ? They really believe that only he knows what is behind the veil of the "illusion of matter'.

Now let me ask you a few questions.When those liars talk about the mind ,do they even know what the mind is ? Do they know where the mind is located ?
They say that matter is just an illusion ,figments or imagination of the mind.
Is this mind god or what ?
Google this dumb philospophy ,it is called Solipsism.
Read it and you will know that this philosophical idea was created by Iblis personally.This is the most destructive idea on this planet and you see the destruction this selfish idea is causing ,you see many humans who never heard of this idea ,but they behave as if they are the center of the universe and everything else does not matter.

Now a question to those who think with logic.
If we say "matter" or "phyisical" what makes it less valuable that things that are non-physical ? Were they not both created by God ?

If you look at your brother or sister ,is this person you are looking at not a being made of physical matter ? Does this mean he is an illusion ,as being told by those spiritual liars ?
There is a physical realm and a non physical realm ,both were created by God.
Whoever says ,yeah this world is just an illusion ,is saying that God is a deceiver and that he tricks us into believing that God deceives us.
Harun Yaha is exactly doing this.
Have you read the reports of daughters running away from.their parents ,brainwashed by that deceiver ? They call him "master".
Master of what ? I say Grand master of deception.

If we say that matter is an illusion ,then the creation of the hereafter is also an illusion.
You know why ? Humans in the world of the hereafter will have physical bodies.
Proof of this is in a sura that says the skins will be refrrshed everytime.they get roasted in fire.

We have to understand that whatever God creates for us to interact with is REAL for us.
You know why ? Because we are created beings.
This world is as real for us as is the world of the hereafter.
The difference is ,this world has laws that makes this world always changing until God gives the command to terminate it.

What charlatan Harun Yahya is doing ,infact he is spreading lies and immorality under the umbrella that he is refuting.darwinism.
When his followers.believes what he is saying ,the totally submit to him and he takes advantage of them

The point is ,whatever God created and creates has the same value for us ,nothing should be regarded as illusions and that trash talk.those snake oil sellers say.

I will continue writing about the works of the deceiver in this thread
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azc
03-15-2018, 01:49 PM
It means only YOU exist ,if everything is in my mind ,that includes other people and
you know what that means ? It means they are just imaginary figures ,with no real value ,
just images in the mind.
why he is spreading his ideas among imaginary figures then...?

It's self contradictory.
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critical
03-15-2018, 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by azc
why he is spreading his ideas among imaginary figures then...?

It's self contradictory.
Do you think he will straight away say to his followers ,there is no God ?
Imaginary figures by time will confuse the people ,if everything is just in the mind ,this means the mind is the creator.This in turn means ,do whatever you want to do ,you will not be held accountable for lying ,stealing and all other immoralities.
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azc
03-15-2018, 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by critical
Do you think he will straight away say to his followers ,there is no God ?
Imaginary figures by time will confuse the people ,if everything is just in the mind ,this means the mind is the creator.This in turn means ,do whatever you want to do ,you will not be held accountable for lying ,stealing and all other immoralities.
How can people believe in such stupid ideas...?
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critical
03-15-2018, 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by azc
How can people believe in such stupid ideas...?
How many people say the universe was created by chance (which means the main particles of the universe existed eternally ,since nothing cannot create nothing) ?
You will find another mass of people who say that whatever you hear ,see ,feel is the work of the mind.
But if you ask them what actually is the mind ,they will have no answer.
Many people also say the mind is the consciousness.(many of them neuroscientists)
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Misbah-Abd
03-15-2018, 02:23 PM
Harun has been discussed already in another thread. He is a 33 degree Freemason with ulterior motives.
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critical
03-15-2018, 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
Harun has been discussed already in another thread. He is a 33 degree Freemason with ulterior motives.
What do you think his motives are behind the matter is an illusion thing ?
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