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Scimitar
05-18-2018, 12:19 AM
Subboor and Gerry break down the irony of atheists who seek to push their world view with religious zeal, on folk who already have belief in God!



Your thoughts, and opinions, are most welcome in sh'Allah
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سيف الله
05-18-2018, 01:34 AM
Salaam

Yes this is an interesting question, particularly the ones who come on this forum trying to 'convert' us. they are like a secular priesthood.

Not new. This book goes into the history of this phenomena.

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A dazzling examination of the politics of religion and the religion of politics by one of Europe's greatest modern historians.

From the french revolution to the First World War, the philosophes of the Enlightenment to the pseudo religious 'high priests' of Marxism, never before has the complicated interaction between the Church and the modern politcal state been so lucidly described.

As Michael Burleigh shows through the characters as diverse as Charles Fourier, a proto communist who denounced capitalism and looked forward to a day when the oceans would be filled with lemonade, to Voltaire and his fervent desire to stamp out fanaticism in revolutionary France, the champions of change in the modern world have often displayed a distinctly religious zeal in their quest, harnessing mankind spiritual longings to bolster their own vision of a secular society. the result has been the emergence of a new and often terrifying secularism which has replaced the idols of religion with the idols of nationalism.

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Scimitar
05-18-2018, 08:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Junon

wassalaam, have you read this book?
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al-Andalusi
05-18-2018, 09:20 AM
I know few atheists who actively preach. Most militant prostelites are members of the so-called "New Atheism", which is a militant antitheist movement
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سيف الله
05-18-2018, 10:15 AM
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format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
wassalaam, have you read this book?
Yes, its a fascinating and provocative read, puts paid to the idea that the seculars were (and are) 'holier than thou'.

Its a good read, history teaches you so much, you should give it a try :shade:

format_quote Originally Posted by al-Andalusi
I know few atheists who actively preach. Most militant prostelites are members of the so-called "New Atheism", which is a militant antitheist movement
Yes their mentality reminds me of the bolsheviks and lest we forget where this mentality can lead.

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Scimitar
05-18-2018, 05:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Junon

history teaches you so much, you should give it a try :shade:
lol I’ve been studying history for many years. Am currently on my third round of the muqaddimah by Ibn khaldun. Just finished Ibn fadlan thru secular eyes as well. And am about to go back into Herodotus for the comparative with xenophons cyropedia ;)
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