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RedaKhalkhoudi
05-23-2018, 02:29 PM
salam alaaykom my brothers and sister i want to tell you my story and i want you all to be the judge i meet this girl online and since the first day i know her i never wanted to hurt her or do haraam with her i asked her to be my wife and that i shall marry her after i finish my education (4 years) so we got into a relation online my love for her was pure i standed with her in good and in bad i acted good with her i apologised even when she did wrong because my heart was saying her name after she passed her bachelor and enter university the girl started to push me and to break up with me for the stupidest cost i didn't want to lose her thinking she is my soul mate then when 2018 enter she dumped me for a stupid reason and we got back together but she pushed me for 5 months while i think she is my one she is having fun with boys she call them friends while i suffer and think and love her day and night then i called her on the phone and told her im a pious man and i want a pious woman so plz don't play with my heart because this pain is huge and its haraam to do me like that after everything i did to you so we talked and she told me that she cheated on me and that its ok since we breaked up i didn't control my anger i insulted her and her familly then she replied see i can control you as much i want by the way i lied i didn't cheat on you and cut the call like a crazy person i run to charge my phone and apologise and ask for a new chance then she talked to me and told me that she doesn't love me anymore and she is sorry we broke up then i got msg from my friend that she still have feelings for me i contacted her again to ask her to be my wife since even throught all the pain i want to do halal with her i found her facebook full with boys pictures and with her smile she talked me with huge arrogance that she is so happy and that im just a friend when my mother knowed that from the degree of pain she trowed up blood and i become unable to eat or drink .this girl played me never respect me and destroyed me mentally and phisically i curse her till the day of the judgement and beyond for the pain and tears and blood that me and my mother have spelled for her my questions for you my dear brothers and sisters will she get her punishement or not since it was not a halal relationship

p.s : plz dont judge me my love was pure and it made me lose my dignity and my health and my time
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*charisma*
05-26-2018, 08:56 AM
Assalamu Alaikum

Move on; stop talking to her. Get back on the right path inshallah. When you find someone else, get married quickly.
Waiting for 4 years is ridiculous and to think that it would be ok to talk that long is haram and silly. You've made a mistake and you have to look forward and change yourself. Don't worry about her and what she will be punished for. You have your own sins you need to worry about.
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xboxisdead
05-26-2018, 04:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*
Assalamu Alaikum

Move on; stop talking to her. Get back on the right path inshallah. When you find someone else, get married quickly.
Waiting for 4 years is ridiculous and to think that it would be ok to talk that long is haram and silly. You've made a mistake and you have to look forward and change yourself. Don't worry about her and what she will be punished for. You have your own sins you need to worry about.
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azc
05-26-2018, 05:24 PM
:wa:

Try to forget her.
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xboxisdead
05-26-2018, 05:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
:wa:

Try to forget her.
He should!

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azc
05-26-2018, 06:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
He should!

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but it's not easy for him.
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xboxisdead
05-26-2018, 06:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
but it's not easy for him.
Ppft. A) He should not have done this from the 1st place. B) Any man who let his heart be stepped on and still want more, that man need therapy fast. C) It proofs 100% positive that men are the only group of people who truly have the weakest heart and Islam truly protects both gender and not just women. If he followed proper Islamic law correctly and not socialized with any women on the internet, dating chat, IRC and do it correctly the way the sahaba and prophets did and through both side of family making sure it is done correctly there will be no broken hearts, no disaster and no sex out of wedlock. This man need to do severe istigfar, repent, never do this again and learn from his broken heart. Any women saying "I cheated on you" to get your reaction and see your heart broken and then go "Hahahah, I lied!" is an immature and evil person combined to boot. He should stay far, far, far, far, far, far away from that person at all cost and never have babies with her at all!

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azc
05-26-2018, 06:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
Ppft. A) He should not have done this from the 1st place. B) Any man who let his heart be stepped on and still want more, that man need therapy fast. C) It proofs 100% positive that men are the only group of people who truly have the weakest heart and Islam truly protects both gender and not just women. If he followed proper Islamic law correctly and not socialized with any women on the internet, dating chat, IRC and do it correctly the way the sahaba and prophets did and through both side of family making sure it is done correctly there will be no broken hearts, no disaster and no sex out of wedlock. This man need to do severe istigfar, repent, never do this again and learn from his broken heart. Any women saying "I cheated on you" to get your reaction and see your heart broken and then go "Hahahah, I lied!" is an immature and evil person combined to boot. He should stay far, far, far, far, far, far away from that person at all cost and never have babies with her at all!

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Perhaps the girl wasn't serious in this relationship with him; and he wanted her to wait for 4 yrs. How could it work...?
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xboxisdead
05-26-2018, 06:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Perhaps the girl wasn't serious in this relationship with him; and he wanted her to wait for 4 yrs. How could it work...?
OK. Stop! Please stop! Stop giving excuses for the girl! STOP! A) She is talking to other boys! B) She said she can control him by manipulating him C) She played with his heart like a string and she enjoyed it and sadistic! This girl is evil and immature and this brother did a very stupid move and the amount of red alerts flashing on his eyes and he is blind and missed it all!!! And you say she have been with him in relationship for4 years? Yeah him and 30 others! No...no...no..saleh women, fearing Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) with haya and shame will talk to strange men online.

Men nowadays should not have relationship with other women alone. Nowadays men are incapable of picking the right mate, not all men mind you, but majority of them are too immature when it comes to relationship. THIS GOES RIGHT STRAIGHT with telling boys they should not cry. You cripple the boys with emotional immaturity and never teach them how to find a suitable mate and what is his role and you have men like the OP. I know for one thing I am smart enough to never have a single relationship with a single women from the internet, bar, companies and then immediately fall in love with her even though she have boys in basket. Everything he said above goes against common sense and proper Islamic way of relationship and everything was going "Waa Woo! Waa Woo! Waa Woo!" the red light flashing and people jumping and screaming.."SAVE YOUR SKIN! RUN! RUUUUN!" and helicopters hovering over her with police cops screaming "Son! This is a dangerous person! Save your skin!" and he ignored all that. What do you expect? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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azc
05-26-2018, 10:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
OK. Stop! Please stop! Stop giving excuses for the girl! STOP! A) She is talking to other boys! B) She said she can control him by manipulating him C) She played with his heart like a string and she enjoyed it and sadistic! This girl is evil and immature and this brother did a very stupid move and the amount of red alerts flashing on his eyes and he is blind and missed it all!!! And you say she have been with him in relationship for4 years? Yeah him and 30 others! No...no...no..saleh women, fearing Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) with haya and shame will talk to strange men online.

Men nowadays should not have relationship with other women alone. Nowadays men are incapable of picking the right mate, not all men mind you, but majority of them are too immature when it comes to relationship. THIS GOES RIGHT STRAIGHT with telling boys they should not cry. You cripple the boys with emotional immaturity and never teach them how to find a suitable mate and what is his role and you have men like the OP. I know for one thing I am smart enough to never have a single relationship with a single women from the internet, bar, companies and then immediately fall in love with her even though she have boys in basket. Everything he said above goes against common sense and proper Islamic way of relationship and everything was going "Waa Woo! Waa Woo! Waa Woo!" the red light flashing and people jumping and screaming.."SAVE YOUR SKIN! RUN! RUUUUN!" and helicopters hovering over her with police cops screaming "Son! This is a dangerous person! Save your skin!" and he ignored all that. What do you expect? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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Anyways, I have sympathy for this brother
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xboxisdead
05-26-2018, 11:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Anyways, I have sympathy for this brother
No I am not objecting to that. Al-hamdolillah you do. But sometimes people need tough love and tough reality and in some extreme cases, to be smacked on the back of their head in hope they wake up.

Other cases, no matter what you do or say they never change even if they are burned a hundred times. Those people you just watch them drive their car into the wall and crash, those people cannot be saved. I hope this brother is not like that.

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Hamza Asadullah
05-27-2018, 01:20 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by RedaKhalkhoudi
salam alaaykom my brothers and sister i want to tell you my story and i want you all to be the judge i meet this girl online and since the first day i know her i never wanted to hurt her or do haraam with her i asked her to be my wife and that i shall marry her after i finish my education (4 years) so we got into a relation online my love for her was pure i standed with her in good and in bad i acted good with her i apologised even when she did wrong because my heart was saying her name after she passed her bachelor and enter university the girl started to push me and to break up with me for the stupidest cost i didn't want to lose her thinking she is my soul mate then when 2018 enter she dumped me for a stupid reason and we got back together but she pushed me for 5 months while i think she is my one she is having fun with boys she call them friends while i suffer and think and love her day and night then i called her on the phone and told her im a pious man and i want a pious woman so plz don't play with my heart because this pain is huge and its haraam to do me like that after everything i did to you so we talked and she told me that she cheated on me and that its ok since we breaked up i didn't control my anger i insulted her and her familly then she replied see i can control you as much i want by the way i lied i didn't cheat on you and cut the call like a crazy person i run to charge my phone and apologise and ask for a new chance then she talked to me and told me that she doesn't love me anymore and she is sorry we broke up then i got msg from my friend that she still have feelings for me i contacted her again to ask her to be my wife since even throught all the pain i want to do halal with her i found her facebook full with boys pictures and with her smile she talked me with huge arrogance that she is so happy and that im just a friend when my mother knowed that from the degree of pain she trowed up blood and i become unable to eat or drink .this girl played me never respect me and destroyed me mentally and phisically i curse her till the day of the judgement and beyond for the pain and tears and blood that me and my mother have spelled for her my questions for you my dear brothers and sisters will she get her punishement or not since it was not a halal relationship

p.s : plz dont judge me my love was pure and it made me lose my dignity and my health and my time
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Unfortunately it is very common nowadays to see our brothers and sisters involving themselves in pre-marital relationships. This is because many of us live in societies where free mixing and intermingling of the sexes is seen as the norm. Free mixing occurs in many situations and circumstances such as in educational establishments, workplaces, and shopping malls but now there are other newer avenues that have opened up over the last few years mainly on the internet from chatrooms, the boom in social networking sites and "Muslim matrimonial" websites or as i like to call them "Muslim dating websites". All of these avenues have resulted in the fact that it is now easier than ever before for men and women to mix, intermingle and get introduced to one another consequantly resulting in a rapid increase in pre-marital relationships.


Pre-marital relationships doomed to fail from the beginning


It is no surprise then that the majority of these pre-marital relationships end very badly and are the cause of utter pain, hurt and anguish for those involved. This is because the couple lived in their own little world or bubble for a while and made so many dreams together of what it would be like in the future. Much of the time one or both involved never see themselves with anyone else but who they are with at the time but when things end then it results in their whole world crashing down and can cause utter devastation and even suicidal thoughts.


Such relationshiops are doomed to fail from the beginning. This is because a pre-marital relationship goes against the commands of Allah and they are the cause of the anger and wrath of our lord Almighty. Surely there can never be any good in that which angers and displeases Allah. Therefore such relationships are deviod of any peace or blessings and that is why they are rocky throughout and usually end in devastation for those involved. Remember that shaythan is the third person in such relationships.


Utter pain and anguish


These failed relationships will inevitabley leave those involved feeling utterly devastated and even suicidal. They will feel like their whole world has come crashing down and that they do not wish to carry on anymore. This is because they gave that person their all. They gave them their heart and they had all their dreams with that person. But the reality is that this was the biggest mistake one can make. One should NEVER give themselves, or their heart to ANYONE but their married partner. Surely those involved do then realise what a mistake it was but the saddest thing of all is that they usually make the same mistake again and again. Some even go through a handful of partners before they marry the person destined for them. This is the sad reality of some people but they should fear Allah and learn from their mistakes the first time around. They should see the fact that Allah is trying to make them realise their mistakes as a blessing and they should NEVER even imagine doing such an act again for they are committing such a major sin giving themself to someone who is not legitamate for them.


Learn from your mistakes and NEVER repeat them again


The past is the past. NOTHING you do can change that now. We all wish we could get into a time machine and go back in time and do things differently again. But there is NO point thinking or regretting that which has already happened. What has happened has happened and there is NOTHING you can do to change that. What we can do is to learn from our mistakes and make sure we NEVER repeat them again.

Life is such that we have to make mistakes in order to learn from them. We learn from our failures NOT our successes. If we all succeeded in life then how will we ever become better people? How will we ever grow as individuals if we never make mistakes?


So you need to think to yourself, realise and accept the fact that if you followed and obeyed Allah and remained within the boundaries of islam then none of this would have happened to you. Therefore accept and see this as a huge error on your part that you have made in your life in that you fell for someone outside of marriage. Islam aims to protect us from ever getting hurt in such situations. It helps us to save our dignity and keep chaste, But if we go outside of the boundaries of Islam then we are putting ourselves in great danger and we are therefore vulnerable to attack from the wolf (shaythan). So it is best to keep withing the boundaries of Islam in ALL matters so that we safeguard ourselves against danger.


As humans think we know what is best for us but the fact is we clearly do not and we are decieving ourselves if we think we do! ONLY our creator Almighty Allah knows what is best for his creations. That is why free mixing and interactions between a man and a women is restricted so much for he created us to have carnal desires and to be weak. So if we put ourselves into dangerous situations then surely we will end up falling into a bottomless pit where we will find it extremely difficult to get out of. Therefore we must fear Allah and do EVERYTHING in our daily lives in order to please him and refrain from ANYTHING which angers or displeases him!


Advice on how to get through the pain, hurt and anguish of a premarital relationship


1. Accept what has happened now and also accept that it has only happened because you chose to get into a relationship outside of marriage even though you knew it was wrong. Therefore you have disobeyed Allah. So accept that you were in the wrong but that you have fallen into error and that you have now learnt from this mistake and as a result you have become a MUCH better and wiser person because of it. Accept that we learn from our failures and NOT our successes!

2. Once you have accepted that it was your own fault and that you could easily have decided not to get into it, then you must also accept that the relationship failed to get to marriage because it was not destined to. Whatever will happen in your life will ONLY happen if it is decreed or destined to happen. So therefore it is clear that this relationship never was destined or decreed to get to marriage and that is why it ended before marriage.

Therefore accept that whatever Allah decrees for you is the best for you whether you like it or not because we as humans know not what is best for us. Maybe Allah saved you from a life of misery. Maybe if you married each other you would have had a terrible life or it would have ended in divorce.

3. Once you have accepted that this was the consequances of your own choices that you made and that it was not in your destiny or decree to be with that person because whatever is decreed in our lives is the best for us then you must try now move forward with your life because there is NO point thinking or regretting the past. You CANNOT change what has happened but all you can do is learn from it and move on. Do NOT waste anymore precious time that you have already wasted thinking about the past.

Remember: Death will not wait for anyone and it will come when it is destined for you which could be at ANY second. Therefore do NOT waste anymore of your precious time. Save the few seconds and breaths of your life that you have left and use it to worship Allah. Surely that is the purpose of your life and creation. You have already disobeyed Allah and angered him enough but for you to waste more time regretting the past will ONLY be of detriment to you because we ONLY have one chance in this life and our one chance is solwly going away and can end at ANY second. If you continuously waste more time on something which was never decreed for you then surely you will regret it forever if not in this life then definatley the next!

4. Make the necessery mental changes in your mind. Internalise in your mind that you have made a huge error and that you have already wasted enough time already and that there is NO point in thinking about or regretting the past and that you will now have a whole new fresh new start to your life. You can have this fresh start in your life by doing the following:

Firstly changing your number/s. Change your e mail address/es. Get rid of any social networks that you are on. Get rid of any pictures of him/her or any present or gifts that he/she gave you. Very importantly get rid of ANYTHING that reminds you of him/her.

Now Internalise in your mind that you want to make a whole new fresh start with your life and that you have no time to waste and that you want to move on and progress. Internalise that you will NOT go backwards anymore but that you will move forward from now on. Internalise that that your death is very near and that you cannot and will not waste anymore time on that which was not meant for you. Accept and realise that Allah has something better in store for you. If you don't know it now then you will realise it later!

5. Time is the best healer. Once you have taken all these steps then be patient and let time heal your heart. The way you think will affect the speed of your recovery. You need to get your heart to accept the above 4 steps and once you have then your recovery will be quicker. Turn towards Allah and put your FULL trust, faith, hopes and reliance in him and your heart will be filled with the love of Allah!

6. You need to focus your mind on the purpose of your life. Allah did not create you to follow your own desires in life but he created you for one purpose and ONLY one purpose and that is to worship him. So your new focus in life is to please Allah and ydo everything to make him the happiest. You should strive to do EVERYTHING you can to get closer to him and to please him. You should also realise that Allah ONLY wants what is best for you and he took you out of this relationship because he loves you and wanted to save you from harm. He took you from this person because he has someone better in store for you! Who will truly love and care for you and be there for you and best of all will help you on your journey to Paradise.

So look for a pious person who is practisiong and most of all fears Allah. Make sure this person does NOT want to go about marriage in the wrong way for they would ONLY go about marriage in the right manner because they fear Allah. NEVER settle for anyone who wants a relationship or "get to know you" before marriage because this is just an invitation to get into another relationship. This is then a sign this person is not right for you. So look for a god fearing partner and go about it in the right manner and know that Allah will bless your pursuit for marriage and he will give you peace and happiness in your married lives.


Conclusion


Hope my advice has helped in some way. Know that Allah took you out of this situation because he loves you and ONLY wants goodness for you. He is wanting you to be closer to him, so will you not take a small step towards Allah that he may take a huge step towards you? So desire to be closer to Allah and try your best to do EVERYTHING to please him. Continue to repent sincerely with remorse and firm resolve NEVER to repeat such an error again. Ask of Allah to help you through this hard and difficult time and for him to heal your heart and fill it with his love and rememrance. Rememebr the more you remember and glorify Allah in your heart the quicker your heart will heal. Always share your deepest inner feelings and thoughts with Allah and know that he knows you better than you know yourself.

Strive to be closer to Allah in establishing all of your fard obligations to him. NEVER miss a prayer for it is the purpose of your life and the first thing we will be questioned on in the hereafter. There is NOTHING better in life than the Salaah. A person who misses just one Salaah is out of the fold of Islam and many scholars even say that person has entered kufr (disbelief). This is because the Salaah is the most important and best of all worship. Therefore we MUST not miss another prayer and we must make firm intention that we will fulfill all of our fard prayers from now on.

We should also pray our nawafil because they will help us in the grave and in the hereafter for we are in need of every single good deed because in the day of judgement we will beg each other for one good deed but none will give us any not evern our our mothers! We should recite much of the Qur'an along with its meanings to understand what Allah is telling us in the Qur'an. Knowledge is the most important of all as it gives us a deeper understanding of our purpose in life and it will also help us get closer to Allah. Therefore from now on learn as much about Islam as possible. You can do this by joining online Islamic courses or local courses at the Masjid or community centre. Or you can get good Islamic books recommended by a knowledgable person. Get a greed for knowlede and try your best to act upon everything you learn and to share it with others as this is what will truly benefit a person who is learning knowledge of Islam.

A sister should try and join a local sisters Islamic circle and involve herrself in Islamic events, activities and to spend some of her time with good, knowledgable and pious sisters. A brother should also join local Islamic groups for brothers either in the lcoal Masjids or community centres. He should involve himself with good, pious and knowledgeable brothers. Remember it is extremely important that we choose carefully who we keep as friends. We must NEVER keep the immoral and those who openly sin as friends. We should not keep as friends those who backchat, slander, gossip and the worse are the two faced people. Such company we is poison for us and such friends will backstab us on the day of judgement.

Most of all serve your parents as much as possible for they ONLY want the best for you and serving ones parents is of the BEST of ALL deeds. NEVER even raise your voice to your parents for they have been given the highest status by Allah, The way we treat our parents is how our parents will treat us. Therefore treat your parents the best and if shaythan tries to create enmity in your heart that seek refuge with Allah for shaythan is your eternal enemy and only wants you to be destroyed. He wants you to waste your time and life over the past and does NOT want you to move on. He wants to prevent you from progressing in life and in your deen. He does not want you to go towards Allah so will you not reject your sworn enemy?

So let now be the start of a whole new chapter in your life where you can progress and move forward gradually. There is no time to waste for there will be occassions where you will find it hard but with Allah you will find peace and contentment but with shaythan all you will find is misery and discontent. Therefore if you want your heart to get healed quick then go towards Allah and strive to please him and make him the happiest. Ask of him to help you through this and in every aspect of your life. Repent to him always and ask of him to heal your heart. If you put your FULL faith, trust, reliance and hopes in Allah then you will find this is enough for you and your heart will heal and be replaced with the love for Allah and his messenger.

So let us grab this opportunity to get closer to Allah because he wants you closer to him. Subhaanallah! He is giving you this opportunity to be closer to him so will you not take it? Will you not take this opportunity? So trust in him and put your FULL reliance in him. Know that he listens to your prayers and is closer to you than your jugular vein.

The past is the past so do NOT let a mistake from your past afect you now and in the future. Strive to be as close to Allah as possible and put ALL of your faith and trust in him. If he is your protector then nothing can ever harm you.

Therefore let us not waste a second more on the past. All that matters is the present so let us spend each and every precious second of our lives in worship, asking and begging of Allah for forgiveness and his mercy. Striving to get closer to him through worship and prayer. Let us pray for our hearts to be softened with his remembrance.

This short life is our ONLY chance to put the fear of Allah into our hearts and to live our lives ONLY to please Allah and invest in the hereafter which is our final destination. How long are we in this world? VERY short while. How long is the hereafter? FOREVER! Therefore we should spend as much of our little time as possible investing into the hereafter by doing everything possible to please Allah and refraining from anything which angers or displeases him.

I pray that Allah heals your heart and makes you of his close servants. I pray he finds you the best partner that will lead you towards success in this life and the next and i pray he helps you through this and every aspect of your life. Please also remember me in your dua's.

May Allah give you the best of this world and the next. Ameen
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Cookiemilk
05-28-2018, 03:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by RedaKhalkhoudi
salam alaaykom my brothers and sister i want to tell you my story and i want you all to be the judge i meet this girl online and since the first day i know her i never wanted to hurt her or do haraam with her i asked her to be my wife and that i shall marry her after i finish my education (4 years) so we got into a relation online my love for her was pure i standed with her in good and in bad i acted good with her i apologised even when she did wrong because my heart was saying her name after she passed her bachelor and enter university the girl started to push me and to break up with me for the stupidest cost i didn't want to lose her thinking she is my soul mate then when 2018 enter she dumped me for a stupid reason and we got back together but she pushed me for 5 months while i think she is my one she is having fun with boys she call them friends while i suffer and think and love her day and night then i called her on the phone and told her im a pious man and i want a pious woman so plz don't play with my heart because this pain is huge and its haraam to do me like that after everything i did to you so we talked and she told me that she cheated on me and that its ok since we breaked up i didn't control my anger i insulted her and her familly then she replied see i can control you as much i want by the way i lied i didn't cheat on you and cut the call like a crazy person i run to charge my phone and apologise and ask for a new chance then she talked to me and told me that she doesn't love me anymore and she is sorry we broke up then i got msg from my friend that she still have feelings for me i contacted her again to ask her to be my wife since even throught all the pain i want to do halal with her i found her facebook full with boys pictures and with her smile she talked me with huge arrogance that she is so happy and that im just a friend when my mother knowed that from the degree of pain she trowed up blood and i become unable to eat or drink,
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I know others gave advice but just wanted to add a few more things:
- If she loved you truly she wouldn't have done that (saying this based on your version)
- Don't wish her bad or curse her, looks like she fell into the wrong crowd, influences @ uni.
- Pray for someone better, use proper means to find someone. It's true people change, which is why we have the prayer of guidance asking Allah if this is good for us. 2 naafil Istikharaa.
- Give yourself time to heal and accept counseling if possible or just talk to loved ones.
- I am worried about your mom, try to cheer her by showing that you are ready to move on in life. You'll know when.
- take care of your health and wellnes
- Ramadan is the best month for duas

Love hurts when we give our hearts to those undeserving if we are always kind and honest to ourselves firstly, we can always bounce back from mistakes made. Love yourself and accept that you tried to do right towards her. Its time to move on, now. May Allah bless you with a good spouse soon.
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xboxisdead
05-28-2018, 04:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cookiemilk
I know others gave advice but just wanted to add a few more things:
- Don't wish her bad or curse her, looks like she fell into the wrong crowd, influences @ uni.
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She is a grown person. She made her own decision and her intention was evil. It does not justify her evil action. If she goes out and murders someone would you say the same thing? I can say the same thing then to a 15 year old boy raping an 8 year old girl. He must have went through hardship and abuse and he must have being raped himself. Would you then say we should not curse him or put him in prison?

How about a man breaking a heart of a woman and saying "Ahahah! I lied to you! I did not cheat on you" will you say those exact same things? Would you back him up and give him excuses or will you call immature, evil jerk?

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Cookiemilk
05-28-2018, 08:52 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
She is a grown person. She made her own decision and her intention was evil. It does not justify her evil action. If she goes out and murders someone would you say the same thing? I can say the same thing then to a 15 year old boy raping an 8 year old girl. He must have went through hardship and abuse and he must have being raped himself. Would you then say we should not curse him or put him in prison?

How about a man breaking a heart of a woman and saying "Ahahah! I lied to you! I did not cheat on you" will you say those exact same things? Would you back him up and give him excuses or will you call immature, evil jerk?

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Yes, I can say the same thing for that male because usually it is true. The cycle repeats itself, he was hurt so he hurt another. (Perhaps specifically abused) . This girl as well to have hurt another person this way must have had also been hurt, people don't usually turn evil overnight....unless we want to go into the spiritual aspect of being possessed and black magic etc,..

No, it doesn't mean he should go unpunished because if he did the crime he should do the time. However, a rape victim isn't usually going to put herself willing in the hands of her rapist again. So this is different in comparison to someone who had a relationship with another, who broke-up over "the stupidest" of reasons and then for him to take her back. I am sorry, it's a harsh lesson but love blinds and it hurts. Or maybe, that's Haram love, only. To me, if you are thinking clearly and someone indicates that they are no longer interested, you drop them and move on. The person made their decision.

But, he still pursued her afterwards, and maybe she was trying to get him to hate her. She could have fallen out of love (maybe even her family was against it, like sometimes this happens). Re-read his words;

"I apologised eveñ after she did wrong"
"She started to push me to break up with me"
"Dumped me for a stupid reason"
"Having fun with boys, she calls them friends"....he's still pursuing her....
"She lies and said she cheated etc"

Truly I am sorry that this has happened to him but most times another person goes out of their way for you it usually wins your heart over or in this case looks like it annoyed her as the affection was not returned from the beginning. He asked her to be his wife and he made himself and his heart committed towards this girl who didn't want him. Should we throw her in prison? Did she do a crime? It's her choice to accept someone or reject him. The signs were there that she rejected him but he kept pursuing her "being in love". It's not equivalent to rape or murder. Just bad decision of mind blinded by heart. Why must I advise him to curse her, when she never wanted him? It was one-sided love.

I hope he finds healing soon.
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xboxisdead
05-28-2018, 10:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cookiemilk
Yes, I can say the same thing for that male because usually it is true. The cycle repeats itself, he was hurt so he hurt another. (Perhaps specifically abused) . This girl as well to have hurt another person this way must have had also been hurt, people don't usually turn evil overnight....unless we want to go into the spiritual aspect of being possessed and black magic etc,..

No, it doesn't mean he should go unpunished because if he did the crime he should do the time. However, a rape victim isn't usually going to put herself willing in the hands of her rapist again. So this is different in comparison to someone who had a relationship with another, who broke-up over "the stupidest" of reasons and then for him to take her back. I am sorry, it's a harsh lesson but love blinds and it hurts. Or maybe, that's Haram love, only. To me, if you are thinking clearly and someone indicates that they are no longer interested, you drop them and move on. The person made their decision.

But, he still pursued her afterwards, and maybe she was trying to get him to hate her. She could have fallen out of love (maybe even her family was against it, like sometimes this happens). Re-read his words;

"I apologised eveñ after she did wrong"
"She started to push me to break up with me"
"Dumped me for a stupid reason"
"Having fun with boys, she calls them friends"....he's still pursuing her....
"She lies and said she cheated etc"

Truly I am sorry that this has happened to him but most times another person goes out of their way for you it usually wins your heart over or in this case looks like it annoyed her as the affection was not returned from the beginning. He asked her to be his wife and he made himself and his heart committed towards this girl who didn't want him. Should we throw her in prison? Did she do a crime? It's her choice to accept someone or reject him. The signs were there that she rejected him but he kept pursuing her "being in love". It's not equivalent to rape or murder. Just bad decision of mind blinded by heart. Why must I advise him to curse her, when she never wanted him? It was one-sided love.

I hope he finds healing soon.
Oh, no. Don't get me wrong. I put 100% blame on RedaKhalkhoudi. Not 99%. But 100%. He missed all the red signs, he did wrong by talking to strange women online, he let himself be stepped by her, AND HE APOLOGIZED TO HER EVEN AFTER IF SHE DID WRONG (no women respect weak men)....this guy need backbone and he need to grow up. I am unsure if his father is alive, lives with him (and raised by his dad) or he comes from living under a divorced mom (single mother) with no interaction with his father. But all signs lead that this man lacks proper male role model all together. Nothing here shows he have any ounce of real masculine attribute what so ever. If his father is alive and his father showed him to be a man (not just how to shave) and taught him about relationships and how to do proper relationship and showed him male role model by words and actions to back them up and he went through Islamic school and came from a pious family following the qura'an and sunnah and he still did what he did and acted this weak...then I put one trillion percent blame on him and I have no sympathy for him. But....if he comes from a broken family home, no father around (dead or not showing interest in raising him), being raised by a mother and only women in the house...then I put 100% blame on him and I sympathize with him because he did not have a proper male role model where boys need it more than ever. Especially in this decade..boys need fathers like we need oxygen. However, I put 100% blame still on the brother.[/QUOTE]
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Cookiemilk
05-29-2018, 02:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
oh, no. Don't get me wrong. I put 100% blame on redakhalkhoudi. Not 99%. But 100%. He missed all the red signs, he did wrong by talking to strange women online, he let himself be stepped by her, and he apologized to her even after if she did wrong (no women respect weak men)....this guy need backbone and he need to grow up. I am unsure if his father is alive, lives with him (and raised by his dad) or he comes from living under a divorced mom (single mother) with no interaction with his father. But all signs lead that this man lacks proper male role model all together. Nothing here shows he have any ounce of real masculine attribute what so ever. If his father is alive and his father showed him to be a man (not just how to shave) and taught him about relationships and how to do proper relationship and showed him male role model by words and actions to back them up and he went through islamic school and came from a pious family following the qura'an and sunnah and he still did what he did and acted this weak...then i put one trillion percent blame on him and i have no sympathy for him. But....if he comes from a broken family home, no father around (dead or not showing interest in raising him), being raised by a mother and only women in the house...then i put 100% blame on him and i sympathize with him because he did not have a proper male role model where boys need it more than ever. Especially in this decade..boys need fathers like we need oxygen. However, i put 100% blame still on the brother.
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I understand where you are coming from and the intention was not to point fingers. My aim was attempting to stop the situation from worsening....it makes no sense for hatred and enmity between believers, whereupon interaction was free-mixing and unguided. Similarly, she could have refused to be in contact and misleading, so it would not have lead to love for one party only, developing over years. Again, when something like this occurs and it's not mutual, you walk away respectfully. A learning curve if you will, henceforth both parties, have learnt their individual lessons now....and will pursue finding true happiness through rightful means.

Yes, boys always need their fathers. When this doesn't happen as you have indicated, then could be the missing guidelines with proper interaction and behaviour towards the opposite gender when seeking a relationship. We need to bring to mind that prophet Muhammad pbuh, had neither parents with him. However, his uncles were there for him., his grandfather. So, maybe in this example we find some direction that a male who needs a father figure can turn to his relatives or another male member/s of the community for that support.

In fact, don't just stop there, whenever there are Islamic lectures and gatherings, there is that opportunity to bond with the shuykooh who are both visiting and local. Schedule holidays to be in the company of renown male Islamic teachers who you can befriend, tell them your pain and ask for guidance, or just converse with topics that interests you. Do this as much as you feel the need, because that's what they are there for to assist the ummah in righteousness.

This religion is righteous company, so we have to make ourselves known to the righteous. Asking for their time after the class is completed, asking to meet up with them. Whenever you need to vacation go to countries with blessed scholars, go if another country find the scholars there. Islam is a worldwide religion.

Read upon the Seerah, listen to lectures about the prophet. He's not only our role model but I like to think of him as our spiritual father, in terms of who I desire my character to be like. Find friends who can fit this character description (as best as possible) and stay close with them.

Parents aren't perfect, they make mistakes, their parents make mistakes, ....etc, etc....that's a cycle you'd want to stop by making your heart attentive to the one whom Allah bestowed the blessings of calling "His beloved" and trying to find your peace there. (knowing that sometimes you'll fall but also knowing that if you are sincere and repentent then you are able to regain faith)

Sahl ibn 'Abd-Allah al-Tusari "There is no helper but God, no guide but the Messenger of God, no provision but Taqwa, and no work but to have fortitude in these things".

I also heard this point made somewhere (paraphrasing) brothers and sisters are looking for spouses and a relationship like prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Khadijah (r.a) but are we working walking in the noble legacy of their footsteps? An orphan and a widow bonded together, each without falling disgracefully into sins. It's a beautiful story on how they got married.
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xboxisdead
05-29-2018, 02:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cookiemilk

I understand where you are coming from and the intention was not to point fingers. My aim was attempting to stop the situation from worsening....it makes no sense for hatred and enmity between believers, whereupon interaction was free-mixing and unguided. Similarly, she could have refused to be in contact and misleading, so it would not have lead to love for one party only, developing over years. Again, when something like this occurs and it's not mutual, you walk away respectfully. A learning curve if you will, henceforth both parties, have learnt their individual lessons now....and will pursue finding true happiness through rightful means.

Yes, boys always need their fathers. When this doesn't happen as you have indicated, then could be the missing guidelines with proper interaction and behaviour towards the opposite gender when seeking a relationship. We need to bring to mind that prophet Muhammad pbuh, had neither parents with him. However, his uncles were there for him., his grandfather. So, maybe in this example we find some direction that a male who needs a father figure can turn to his relatives or another male member/s of the community for that support.

In fact, don't just stop there, whenever there are Islamic lectures and gatherings, there is that opportunity to bond with the shuykooh who are both visiting and local. Schedule holidays to be in the company of renown male Islamic teachers who you can befriend, tell them your pain and ask for guidance, or just converse with topics that interests you. Do this as much as you feel the need, because that's what they are there for to assist the ummah in righteousness.

This religion is righteous company, so we have to make ourselves known to the righteous. Asking for their time after the class is completed, asking to meet up with them. Whenever you need to vacation go to countries with blessed scholars, go if another country find the scholars there. Islam is a worldwide religion.

Read upon the Seerah, listen to lectures about the prophet. He's not only our role model but I like to think of him as our spiritual father, in terms of who I desire my character to be like. Find friends who can fit this character description (as best as possible) and stay close with them.

Parents aren't perfect, they make mistakes, their parents make mistakes, ....etc, etc....that's a cycle you'd want to stop by making your heart attentive to the one whom Allah bestowed the blessings of calling "His beloved" and trying to find your peace there. (knowing that sometimes you'll fall but also knowing that if you are sincere and repentent then you are able to regain faith)

Sahl ibn 'Abd-Allah al-Tusari "There is no helper but God, no guide but the Messenger of God, no provision but Taqwa, and no work but to have fortitude in these things".

I also heard this point made somewhere (paraphrasing) brothers and sisters are looking for spouses and a relationship like prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Khadijah (r.a) but are we working walking in the noble legacy of their footsteps? An orphan and a widow bonded together, each without falling disgracefully into sins. It's a beautiful story on how they got married.
I think it is about time we make a reset for the male gender, especially. So many sisters complaining they are not finding good men. It is about time we reset this. It starts from one family and hopefully multiply to hundreds of family and hopefully from within the family change society from the inside out. I want to put more emphasis in fixing the boys out there now more than ever. We need to target a family which have sons and have a somewhat (I am going to be content with somewhat) harmony relationship between the husband and wife. From this I want the man to follow 100% the foot step of the prophet peace be upon, he is our ultimate and always be the ultimate role model. No spiderman. Not batman. Not some hippup musician or Elvis Prisley or Michael Jackson, or Fairooze, or Madonna, or or or. No. His hero and footstep is Prophet (peace be upon him). From the way he dress, to the way he groom himself, to the way the prophet peace be upon interact with the brothers around him, to the way he interact with this womenfolk, to the way the prophet treat his children or other people's children, to the way he clean himself and how he never misses a single prayer, etc. Mimic 100% that. Then the son(s) will look at this father as an exemplary role model and hopefully mimic that. I am not saying 100% that works...but I am hoping 80% of the time works..better than seeing children playing alone in the street instead of seeing their dads playing with them. I see mothers playing with their sons, running around and laughing. What??!! WHERE ARE THE FATHERS?? That should be HIS ROLE!!?

THAT SISTER is why men like him in this stage. I don't care how much mothers think they can replace dads, and be the super mom...SONS still need that father touch THAT NO MOTHER on Earth can replace ever. Sorry. But we men are not replaceable by women or anyone else. WE MEN are lacking in our role as parents. IT IS TIME we stand up, be men, have Prophet peace be upon him be our role model only and bring that into our new generation. Story like the OP will be less if we do this. LESS women complaining not enough educated men, or strong men, or good men. Less depression, anti-social behavior in children. Less crime, etc.

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ChosenTCO
05-29-2018, 10:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
I think it is about time we make a reset for the male gender, especially. So many sisters complaining they are not finding good men. It is about time we reset this. It starts from one family and hopefully multiply to hundreds of family and hopefully from within the family change society from the inside out. I want to put more emphasis in fixing the boys out there now more than ever. We need to target a family which have sons and have a somewhat (I am going to be content with somewhat) harmony relationship between the husband and wife. From this I want the man to follow 100% the foot step of the prophet peace be upon, he is our ultimate and always be the ultimate role model. No spiderman. Not batman. Not some hippup musician or Elvis Prisley or Michael Jackson, or Fairooze, or Madonna, or or or. No. His hero and footstep is Prophet (peace be upon him). From the way he dress, to the way he groom himself, to the way the prophet peace be upon interact with the brothers around him, to the way he interact with this womenfolk, to the way the prophet treat his children or other people's children, to the way he clean himself and how he never misses a single prayer, etc. Mimic 100% that. Then the son(s) will look at this father as an exemplary role model and hopefully mimic that. I am not saying 100% that works...but I am hoping 80% of the time works..better than seeing children playing alone in the street instead of seeing their dads playing with them. I see mothers playing with their sons, running around and laughing. What??!! WHERE ARE THE FATHERS?? That should be HIS ROLE!!?

THAT SISTER is why men like him in this stage. I don't care how much mothers think they can replace dads, and be the super mom...SONS still need that father touch THAT NO MOTHER on Earth can replace ever. Sorry. But we men are not replaceable by women or anyone else. WE MEN are lacking in our role as parents. IT IS TIME we stand up, be men, have Prophet peace be upon him be our role model only and bring that into our new generation. Story like the OP will be less if we do this. LESS women complaining not enough educated men, or strong men, or good men. Less depression, anti-social behavior in children. Less crime, etc.

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No offence brother, i understand that you want to put emphasis on fixing boys out there, but why does everything keep coming back to the "war on boys" problem in your view? Not everything revolves around this issue and we shouldnt make that our main problem. The issue of the brother here is layed out as an individual one, so lets keep it like that.

Blaming the victim like that and not sympathizing with him will reap you nothing more than a cold stone hearted person in the future who will show no mercy towards others just as u are showing no mercy to him. I dont know if you have considered that fact that maybe that was his first time falling in love and he didnt know how to handle it? or maybe that he wasnt taught about dealing with situations like this? or maybe that the girl was so used to deceiving boys she was sooo good that he didnt realize? I feel like there are a lot of things that you haven't considered and just making unfair judgement upon the poor boy.

Have you never loved some one so much before? Have you never experienced the pain of losing someone you loved? Especially when you lose them to betrayal?! Do you have any idea the pain it causes?! Its natural for the dude to want to curse her or want to see her be punished (and i personally think she should).However, It shouldn't be the natural default for a human being to be weary of every single person they meet. It shouldn't be our default to distrust people and think the worst of the like that. Its natural for the boy to assume that she is a normal person like anybody else who does feel love and does have empathy. Its her fault for deceiving the boy like that and manipulating him and abusing him emotionally. Its her fault for hurting him and scarring him like that. And to go and make judgement about how the boy should have seen all this coming before actually knowing what actually happened is a bad move in my opinion.

What we should be doing is easing his pain and asking him to bare patience as no pain that we experience will go unnoticed by Allah AWJ.

And to answer brother @RedaKhalkhoudi 's questions ...
Every injustices that happened between Allah's creations and each other will be settled on the day of judgement. It is said that even the injustice between animals will be settled and done.
And it is also said that those who forgive one another will be elevated in status in the eyes of Allah on the day of judgement. (those who forgive others on the day of judgement)
Allah Praises those who control their anger and negative emotions and those who forgive (Quran 3:134) "Who spend [in the cause of Allah ] during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good;"

I ask Allah to forgive you and replace your sufferings with a halal relationship that is full of blessings with a future pious spouse. Ameen

PS ... You should stop cursing those who do bad to you so that they dont take from your good deeds on the day of judgement. Instead ask Allah to grant you more patience and to elevate you in status on the day of judgement.;)

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format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
I think it is about time we make a reset for the male gender, especially. So many sisters complaining they are not finding good men. It is about time we reset this. It starts from one family and hopefully multiply to hundreds of family and hopefully from within the family change society from the inside out. I want to put more emphasis in fixing the boys out there now more than ever. We need to target a family which have sons and have a somewhat (I am going to be content with somewhat) harmony relationship between the husband and wife. From this I want the man to follow 100% the foot step of the prophet peace be upon, he is our ultimate and always be the ultimate role model. No spiderman. Not batman. Not some hippup musician or Elvis Prisley or Michael Jackson, or Fairooze, or Madonna, or or or. No. His hero and footstep is Prophet (peace be upon him). From the way he dress, to the way he groom himself, to the way the prophet peace be upon interact with the brothers around him, to the way he interact with this womenfolk, to the way the prophet treat his children or other people's children, to the way he clean himself and how he never misses a single prayer, etc. Mimic 100% that. Then the son(s) will look at this father as an exemplary role model and hopefully mimic that. I am not saying 100% that works...but I am hoping 80% of the time works..better than seeing children playing alone in the street instead of seeing their dads playing with them. I see mothers playing with their sons, running around and laughing. What??!! WHERE ARE THE FATHERS?? That should be HIS ROLE!!?

THAT SISTER is why men like him in this stage. I don't care how much mothers think they can replace dads, and be the super mom...SONS still need that father touch THAT NO MOTHER on Earth can replace ever. Sorry. But we men are not replaceable by women or anyone else. WE MEN are lacking in our role as parents. IT IS TIME we stand up, be men, have Prophet peace be upon him be our role model only and bring that into our new generation. Story like the OP will be less if we do this. LESS women complaining not enough educated men, or strong men, or good men. Less depression, anti-social behavior in children. Less crime, etc.

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No offence brother, i understand that you want to put emphasis on fixing boys out there, but why does everything keep coming back to the "war on boys" problem in your view? Not everything revolves around this issue and we shouldnt make that our main problem. The issue of the brother here is layed out as an individual one, so lets keep it like that.

Blaming the victim like that and not sympathizing with him will reap you nothing more than a cold stone hearted person in the future who will show no mercy towards others just as u are showing no mercy to him. I dont know if you have considered that fact that maybe that was his first time falling in love and he didnt know how to handle it? or maybe that he wasnt taught about dealing with situations like this? or maybe that the girl was so used to deceiving boys she was sooo good that he didnt realize? I feel like there are a lot of things that you haven't considered and just making unfair judgement upon the poor boy.

Have you never loved some one so much before? Have you never experienced the pain of losing someone you loved? Especially when you lose them to betrayal?! Do you have any idea the pain it causes?! Its natural for the dude to want to curse her or want to see her be punished (and i personally think she should).However, It shouldn't be the natural default for a human being to be weary of every single person they meet. It shouldn't be our default to distrust people and think the worst of the like that. Its natural for the boy to assume that she is a normal person like anybody else who does feel love and does have empathy. Its her fault for deceiving the boy like that and manipulating him and abusing him emotionally. Its her fault for hurting him and scarring him like that. And to go and make judgement about how the boy should have seen all this coming before actually knowing what actually happened is a bad move in my opinion.

What we should be doing is easing his pain and asking him to bare patience as no pain that we experience will go unnoticed by Allah AWJ.

And to answer brother @RedaKhalkhoudi 's questions ...
Every injustices that happened between Allah's creations and each other will be settled on the day of judgement. It is said that even the injustice between animals will be settled and done.
And it is also said that those who forgive one another will be elevated in status in the eyes of Allah on the day of judgement. (those who forgive others on the day of judgement)
Allah Praises those who control their anger and negative emotions and those who forgive (Quran 3:134) "Who spend [in the cause of Allah ] during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good;"

I ask Allah to forgive you and replace your sufferings with a halal relationship that is full of blessings with a future pious spouse. Ameen

PS ... You should stop cursing those who do bad to you so that they dont take from your good deeds on the day of judgement. Instead ask Allah to grant you more patience and to elevate you in status on the day of judgement.;)
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xboxisdead
05-29-2018, 08:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
No offence brother, i understand that you want to put emphasis on fixing boys out there, but why does everything keep coming back to the "war on boys" problem in your view? Not everything revolves around this issue and we shouldnt make that our main problem. The issue of the brother here is layed out as an individual one, so lets keep it like that.

Blaming the victim like that and not sympathizing with him will reap you nothing more than a cold stone hearted person in the future who will show no mercy towards others just as u are showing no mercy to him. I dont know if you have considered that fact that maybe that was his first time falling in love and he didnt know how to handle it? or maybe that he wasnt taught about dealing with situations like this? or maybe that the girl was so used to deceiving boys she was sooo good that he didnt realize? I feel like there are a lot of things that you haven't considered and just making unfair judgement upon the poor boy.

Have you never loved some one so much before? Have you never experienced the pain of losing someone you loved? Especially when you lose them to betrayal?! Do you have any idea the pain it causes?! Its natural for the dude to want to curse her or want to see her be punished (and i personally think she should).However, It shouldn't be the natural default for a human being to be weary of every single person they meet. It shouldn't be our default to distrust people and think the worst of the like that. Its natural for the boy to assume that she is a normal person like anybody else who does feel love and does have empathy. Its her fault for deceiving the boy like that and manipulating him and abusing him emotionally. Its her fault for hurting him and scarring him like that. And to go and make judgement about how the boy should have seen all this coming before actually knowing what actually happened is a bad move in my opinion.

What we should be doing is easing his pain and asking him to bare patience as no pain that we experience will go unnoticed by Allah AWJ.

And to answer brother @RedaKhalkhoudi 's questions ...
Every injustices that happened between Allah's creations and each other will be settled on the day of judgement. It is said that even the injustice between animals will be settled and done.
And it is also said that those who forgive one another will be elevated in status in the eyes of Allah on the day of judgement. (those who forgive others on the day of judgement)
Allah Praises those who control their anger and negative emotions and those who forgive (Quran 3:134) "Who spend [in the cause of Allah ] during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good;"

I ask Allah to forgive you and replace your sufferings with a halal relationship that is full of blessings with a future pious spouse. Ameen

PS ... You should stop cursing those who do bad to you so that they dont take from your good deeds on the day of judgement. Instead ask Allah to grant you more patience and to elevate you in status on the day of judgement.;)

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No offence brother, i understand that you want to put emphasis on fixing boys out there, but why does everything keep coming back to the "war on boys" problem in your view? Not everything revolves around this issue and we shouldnt make that our main problem. The issue of the brother here is layed out as an individual one, so lets keep it like that.

Blaming the victim like that and not sympathizing with him will reap you nothing more than a cold stone hearted person in the future who will show no mercy towards others just as u are showing no mercy to him. I dont know if you have considered that fact that maybe that was his first time falling in love and he didnt know how to handle it? or maybe that he wasnt taught about dealing with situations like this? or maybe that the girl was so used to deceiving boys she was sooo good that he didnt realize? I feel like there are a lot of things that you haven't considered and just making unfair judgement upon the poor boy.

Have you never loved some one so much before? Have you never experienced the pain of losing someone you loved? Especially when you lose them to betrayal?! Do you have any idea the pain it causes?! Its natural for the dude to want to curse her or want to see her be punished (and i personally think she should).However, It shouldn't be the natural default for a human being to be weary of every single person they meet. It shouldn't be our default to distrust people and think the worst of the like that. Its natural for the boy to assume that she is a normal person like anybody else who does feel love and does have empathy. Its her fault for deceiving the boy like that and manipulating him and abusing him emotionally. Its her fault for hurting him and scarring him like that. And to go and make judgement about how the boy should have seen all this coming before actually knowing what actually happened is a bad move in my opinion.

What we should be doing is easing his pain and asking him to bare patience as no pain that we experience will go unnoticed by Allah AWJ.

And to answer brother @RedaKhalkhoudi 's questions ...
Every injustices that happened between Allah's creations and each other will be settled on the day of judgement. It is said that even the injustice between animals will be settled and done.
And it is also said that those who forgive one another will be elevated in status in the eyes of Allah on the day of judgement. (those who forgive others on the day of judgement)
Allah Praises those who control their anger and negative emotions and those who forgive (Quran 3:134) "Who spend [in the cause of Allah ] during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good;"

I ask Allah to forgive you and replace your sufferings with a halal relationship that is full of blessings with a future pious spouse. Ameen

PS ... You should stop cursing those who do bad to you so that they dont take from your good deeds on the day of judgement. Instead ask Allah to grant you more patience and to elevate you in status on the day of judgement.;)
Nope. Sorry, sister. But he started wrong and he got the seep of his action by him actually doing fitnah and talking to strange women online. If we actually implemented the true Islamic law in action, my harsh words would be his least worries. In fact...if we where to implement the Islamic 100% to the dot, the backbiting will be crime and people will be either executed or go to prison for just backbiting. Remember, backbiting is worse than eating the flesh of your brother. Being sympathetic all the time is not way of solving problems period. I am sympathetic if he comes from an abusive family or his family died or he wrongfully imprisoned and tortured...or he sacrificed his entire life for his family and they all stabbed him...yes.

But for him to go online (dating website might as well) and chatting with non-mahrim women...there and then any sympathy I have have left the window. Then he missed all the red signs and in addition he thinks he knows how to play the relationship game!! :facepalm::facepalm: Nope. Sorry. He should do istigfar, repent and learn from his lesson and never do this again.

By the way, when you asked all these maybe questions aren't they all ever reasons to indicate what I said is true? He is not mature emotionally. He is not mature for relationship. He was never taught how to actually find the right partner and what is his role as men and what to expect. It is ever more reason why he should not have went to dating online from the first place! He should have done it the proper Islamic way to begin with. And all you maybe questions you asked there? Ever more reason why boys are in crisis and need to be raised by their fathers at certain age and not their mothers. Age seven the father should have 100% custody of his sons (as long as he is a good man, saleh and can bring benefit to the child) instead of visiting the child ones a year to say hi and then bye. Otherwise I will laugh when I hear women complain where are the good men. I will not feel sorry for them, but clap my hands and laugh my butt out.

Brother...stop going to dating site. Stop chatting with women online. Stop having dating relationship. My suggestion is take a break from relationship for one full year. Yes...one full year. Clear your mind, clear your heart. Who knows perhaps you will be thinking of improving yourself even more financially, educational wise or even run your own business? Focus on yourself for now. Improve yourself. Focus on saving your money and investing and making sure you are secure in old age. Go out there and do things for cause of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) by helping poor family in Middle East, sponsor a child, help abused animals, build for yourself. When you are ready for relationship after a year, do it right this time. Bring your family and have them to help you. Bring sheikh, or people in the mosque to help you. DO it halala way and learn the difference between hayawa,saleh women in how they act vs how majority act. But before you do find the saleh woman...make sure you are saleh too and fix yourself and your heart.

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ChosenTCO
05-30-2018, 08:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
Nope. Sorry, sister. But he started wrong and he got the seep of his action by him actually doing fitnah and talking to strange women online. If we actually implemented the true Islamic law in action, my harsh words would be his least worries. In fact...if we where to implement the Islamic 100% to the dot, the backbiting will be crime and people will be either executed or go to prison for just backbiting. Remember, backbiting is worse than eating the flesh of your brother. Being sympathetic all the time is not way of solving problems period. I am sympathetic if he comes from an abusive family or his family died or he wrongfully imprisoned and tortured...or he sacrificed his entire life for his family and they all stabbed him...yes.

But for him to go online (dating website might as well) and chatting with non-mahrim women...there and then any sympathy I have have left the window. Then he missed all the red signs and in addition he thinks he knows how to play the relationship game!! :facepalm::facepalm: Nope. Sorry. He should do istigfar, repent and learn from his lesson and never do this again.

By the way, when you asked all these maybe questions aren't they all ever reasons to indicate what I said is true? He is not mature emotionally. He is not mature for relationship. He was never taught how to actually find the right partner and what is his role as men and what to expect. It is ever more reason why he should not have went to dating online from the first place! He should have done it the proper Islamic way to begin with. And all you maybe questions you asked there? Ever more reason why boys are in crisis and need to be raised by their fathers at certain age and not their mothers. Age seven the father should have 100% custody of his sons (as long as he is a good man, saleh and can bring benefit to the child) instead of visiting the child ones a year to say hi and then bye. Otherwise I will laugh when I hear women complain where are the good men. I will not feel sorry for them, but clap my hands and laugh my butt out.

Brother...stop going to dating site. Stop chatting with women online. Stop having dating relationship. My suggestion is take a break from relationship for one full year. Yes...one full year. Clear your mind, clear your heart. Who knows perhaps you will be thinking of improving yourself even more financially, educational wise or even run your own business? Focus on yourself for now. Improve yourself. Focus on saving your money and investing and making sure you are secure in old age. Go out there and do things for cause of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) by helping poor family in Middle East, sponsor a child, help abused animals, build for yourself. When you are ready for relationship after a year, do it right this time. Bring your family and have them to help you. Bring sheikh, or people in the mosque to help you. DO it halala way and learn the difference between hayawa,saleh women in how they act vs how majority act. But before you do find the saleh woman...make sure you are saleh too and fix yourself and your heart.

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He started wrong by wanting to find a girl to marry? So he is not allowed to look for one? Not allowed to investigate her? (sure, the methods he used were wrong, but thats because he probably didnt know any better, not because he abandoned his religion). Even you saw the new post about that guy who married the unfaithful woman and had a child with her. Look at how miserable his life is now, just because he did not good correct investigation about her even though it was islamic. And now you seem to suggest that it is not allowed to get to know a sister though online chatting?

Problem with the second part is that your saying " "IF" we were to implement the islamic 100% to the dot" ... problem is we are not, yet you still want him to follow islam 100% without us being able to do it in the first place. This is one form of hypocrisy. The boy is seeing the fitna we let onto our children left and right with nothing to counter it except speeches now and then from parents talking about islamic things. Rarely through action or leading by example, so why do we expect the youth to be any better when the sources their their learning from are flawed?

You expect him to not do a mistake in his action, in his research, in his emotions, and his thinking process? How and based on what when everything around him is flawed? By realizing the mistakes of his forefathers and whatnot? He doesnt even have the understanding of how these things are flaws, heck ... people who are new to things don't even realize where things could go wrong let alone what type of wrong they might face. There are so many things that you assume incorrectly and judge him based on that. You assume that he should have the same knowledge that you have and that he has the same fears and precaution mentality that you do. He hasnt gained the experience yet and to be honest is much better to learn from mistakes than from a person speaking without full understanding. (so long as that mistake doesnt lead to extreme pain). But in your case you seem to have been hurt sooo much saw that you wouldnt even trust the most pious girl alive today and this is no way to live brother. Islam did indeed ask us to make sure of our safety first, but it also calls for moderation so do take precautions but not to the extent to what your calling for.

You say being sympathetic all the time isnt good and i agree. but when its there isnt of blaming the victim when they did hardly anything out of the ordinary then your creating a monster not teaching someone. Your pushing your hate and harsh filtered view of the world on to him from a young age and he will grow up thinking there is no such things a true love or happy family in this flawed world. He doesnt need that right now. he doesnt deserve it. He is still new to things and still learning.

You assume that he has been doing relationships for years now when maybe its his first. You assume that he should think like a grown adult when he's probably just reached young adulthood ... far from his 30s. There is much indeed of what needs to be learned. But not in this negative light you portray it to be in. Main point is, i personally believe he didnt do anything out of the ordinary. He experienced his first heartbreak and we should help him back up instead of keeping him down and showing him how awful it is down there by continuously blaming him and punishing him for falling.You expect him to not do a mistake in his action, in his research, in his emotions, and his thinking process? How and based on what when everything around him is flawed? By realizing the mistakes of his forefathers and whatnot? He doesnt even have the understanding of how these things are flaws, heck ... people who are new to things don't even realize where things could go wrong let alone what type of wrong they might face. There are so many things that you assume incorrectly and judge him based on that. You assume that he should have the same knowledge that you have and that he has the same fears and precaution mentality that you do. He hasnt gained the experience yet and to be honest is much better to learn from mistakes than from a person speaking without full understanding. (so long as that mistake doesnt lead to extreme pain). But in your case you seem to have been hurt so much saw that you wouldnt even trust the most pious girl alive today and this is no way to live brother. Islam did indeed ask us to make sure of our safety first, but it also calls for moderation so do take precautions but not to the extent to what your calling for.

You say being sympathetic all the time isnt good and i agree. but when its there isnt of blaming the victim when they did hardly anything out of the ordinary then your creating a monster not teaching someone. Your pushing your hate and harsh filtered view of the world on to him from a young age and he will grow up thinking there is no such things a true love or happy family in this flawed world. He doesnt need that right now. he doesnt deserve it. He is still new to things and still learning.

You assume that he has been doing relationships for years now when maybe its his first. You assume that he should think like a grown adult when he's probably just reached young adulthood ... far from his 30s. There is much indeed of what needs to be learned. But not in this negative light you portray it to be in. Main point is, i personally believe he didnt do anything out of the ordinary. He experienced his first heartbreak and we should help him back up instead of keeping him down and showing him how awful it is down there by continuously blaming him and punishing him for falling.
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xboxisdead
05-30-2018, 11:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
He started wrong by wanting to find a girl to marry?
No. He started wrong by talking to strange girls online period! His approach in finding a mate was wrong, period.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
So he is not allowed to look for one?
I never said that. However, the approach he went is wrong period.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
Not allowed to investigate her? (sure, the methods he used were wrong, but thats because he probably didnt know any better, not because he abandoned his religion).
Thank you 100% for that sentence alone proofing my case. His approach is wrong because he talks to non-mahreem girl online period. THAT IS WRONG. The mere fact he doesn't know better (coming from your own words) indicate he is not mature or not ready to go this route. He should know himself he does not have knowledge and should seek elders to help him do it the right way, not the Western style way.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
Even you saw the new post about that guy who married the unfaithful woman and had a child with her. Look at how miserable his life is now, just because he did not good correct investigation about her even though it was islamic. And now you seem to suggest that it is not allowed to get to know a sister though online chatting?
Dude! He is EXACTLY in that boat of what you just mentioned above. The OP did SOME FINALLY investigation and with all the red signs he ignored them. In addition to that, his family did not help me either. His family should have seen these red signs and stopped him or pointed out that he is wrong to continue this. If he still ignored that and continued this, then 100% blame goes to him.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
Problem with the second part is that your saying " "IF" we were to implement the islamic 100% to the dot" ... problem is we are not,
Aaaand...that is why we are here, now isn't it?

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
yet you still want him to follow islam 100% without us being able to do it in the first place. This is one form of hypocrisy. The boy is seeing the fitna we let onto our children left and right with nothing to counter it except speeches now and then from parents talking about islamic things. Rarely through action or leading by example, so why do we expect the youth to be any better when the sources their their learning from are flawed?
Why do you think I said boys are in crisis? We are so focused in empowering girls we left boys behind the boat. This is why I said we need to have masculine reset. We need to invest in looking for the few actual family that have being working, where there is no babies yet and say hey...let us focus on the mother and father. Let us get the father to follow 100% the footstep of the prophet (peace be upon him) before having children in every way. The way the prophet wears, that soon to be father acts, the way the prophet dress, the soon to be father dresses, the way the prophet deals with his womenfolk, the soon to be father deals with his womenfolk and so on. When he have a son...he put those knowledge to his son or sons and the son/sons will look at his father by not word..but by action. We have new saleh men..in hopes these saleh men will change society to the better. These saleh men will treat their womenfolk the same as the prophet would treat his womenfolk. This will bring so many factors. A) It will show the non-Muslims that Islam is a religion of justice and not what the non-Muslim believe oppression of women (which is false). This may bring more non-Muslim to Islam. B) Bring harmony in the community, less crime drop out, less rape, violence, suicide, more happiness for both men and women and so on. C) In hopes men actually pick the right mother for the new generation and both men and women know their boundaries and limitations and work in harmony and there will be less....that. It is that make me run away from marriage like a frightened mouse.


format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
You expect him to not do a mistake in his action, in his research, in his emotions, and his thinking process?
Yes. I expect him to take this more serious as heart attack. I actually expect him to be an FBI when it comes to finding a spouse. Before actually going out to searching for a spouse...look at the horror stories of other men and see if they match with his (at the beginning). I actually expect him to be a police finding the criminal by doing investigation and gluing the case together to point out the criminal. Yes. When it comes to relationship now...yes a trillion times. In fact...resume will be a nice way of finding your suited partner. Yes.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
How and based on what when everything around him is flawed? By realizing the mistakes of his forefathers and whatnot? He doesnt even have the understanding of how these things are flaws, heck ... people who are new to things don't even realize where things could go wrong let alone what type of wrong they might face.
Eeeeelddeeers! :facepalm::facepalm: Research! Elders! Investigating! Learn to see the signs. Stop looking through the sheep's eye and look the eagle eye, please!

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
There are so many things that you assume incorrectly and judge him based on that. You assume that he should have the same knowledge that you have and that he has the same fears and precaution mentality that you do. He hasnt gained the experience yet and to be honest is much better to learn from mistakes than from a person speaking without full understanding. (so long as that mistake doesnt lead to extreme pain). But in your case you seem to have been hurt sooo much saw that you wouldnt even trust the most pious girl alive today and this is no way to live brother. Islam did indeed ask us to make sure of our safety first, but it also calls for moderation so do take precautions but not to the extent to what your calling for.
I can smell the pious girl from the non pious girl a mile away. In some cases I met one pious woman from my mom's friend..can I say my heart have changed and melted and made me want to be better myself to find a pious woman like her. But then as soon as I left the house and saw the woman walking around the street and interact and hear from friends, I am amazed to find one where I live (and my heart reset back to not wanting to get married and live alone and enjoy my toys). It is amazing how much power women have over men when she acts like a real pious Islamic woman, and I assure you...if I do find one....I will not be that cynical as you say I am. I would climb the mountain and come back for her and will treat her like the queen she that deserves to be treated. But ....finding one is harder by the minute.

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hinabutt
05-31-2018, 11:48 AM
May Allah (S.W.T) grant you patience :)
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ChosenTCO
06-01-2018, 02:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
No. He started wrong by talking to strange girls online period! His approach in finding a mate was wrong, period.



I never said that. However, the approach he went is wrong period.



Thank you 100% for that sentence alone proofing my case. His approach is wrong because he talks to non-mahreem girl online period. THAT IS WRONG. The mere fact he doesn't know better (coming from your own words) indicate he is not mature or not ready to go this route. He should know himself he does not have knowledge and should seek elders to help him do it the right way, not the Western style way.



Dude! He is EXACTLY in that boat of what you just mentioned above. The OP did SOME FINALLY investigation and with all the red signs he ignored them. In addition to that, his family did not help me either. His family should have seen these red signs and stopped him or pointed out that he is wrong to continue this. If he still ignored that and continued this, then 100% blame goes to him.



Aaaand...that is why we are here, now isn't it?



Why do you think I said boys are in crisis? We are so focused in empowering girls we left boys behind the boat. This is why I said we need to have masculine reset. We need to invest in looking for the few actual family that have being working, where there is no babies yet and say hey...let us focus on the mother and father. Let us get the father to follow 100% the footstep of the prophet (peace be upon him) before having children in every way. The way the prophet wears, that soon to be father acts, the way the prophet dress, the soon to be father dresses, the way the prophet deals with his womenfolk, the soon to be father deals with his womenfolk and so on. When he have a son...he put those knowledge to his son or sons and the son/sons will look at his father by not word..but by action. We have new saleh men..in hopes these saleh men will change society to the better. These saleh men will treat their womenfolk the same as the prophet would treat his womenfolk. This will bring so many factors. A) It will show the non-Muslims that Islam is a religion of justice and not what the non-Muslim believe oppression of women (which is false). This may bring more non-Muslim to Islam. B) Bring harmony in the community, less crime drop out, less rape, violence, suicide, more happiness for both men and women and so on. C) In hopes men actually pick the right mother for the new generation and both men and women know their boundaries and limitations and work in harmony and there will be less....that. It is that make me run away from marriage like a frightened mouse.




Yes. I expect him to take this more serious as heart attack. I actually expect him to be an FBI when it comes to finding a spouse. Before actually going out to searching for a spouse...look at the horror stories of other men and see if they match with his (at the beginning). I actually expect him to be a police finding the criminal by doing investigation and gluing the case together to point out the criminal. Yes. When it comes to relationship now...yes a trillion times. In fact...resume will be a nice way of finding your suited partner. Yes.



Eeeeelddeeers! :facepalm::facepalm: Research! Elders! Investigating! Learn to see the signs. Stop looking through the sheep's eye and look the eagle eye, please!



I can smell the pious girl from the non pious girl a mile away. In some cases I met one pious woman from my mom's friend..can I say my heart have changed and melted and made me want to be better myself to find a pious woman like her. But then as soon as I left the house and saw the woman walking around the street and interact and hear from friends, I am amazed to find one where I live (and my heart reset back to not wanting to get married and live alone and enjoy my toys). It is amazing how much power women have over men when she acts like a real pious Islamic woman, and I assure you...if I do find one....I will not be that cynical as you say I am. I would climb the mountain and come back for her and will treat her like the queen she that deserves to be treated. But ....finding one is harder by the minute.

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  1. Talking to strange/non mahram girls is not haram in islam so long as it doesnt involve any seductive or flirtatious expressions. Basically there shouldnt be any thing that tempts either of them into the haram. And if what the OP said is true and his intent was pure love then its a given that there wasnt any temptation. I repeat again: talking to the opposite gender in islam is not haram!
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  3. Again, talking to non-mahram girls online is not haram, so long as there isnt any temptation involved. The reason why i said the methods he used was wrong is because he got his parents involved AFTER (not before) he got himself emotionally attached to her, and thats where he went wrong. not the fact that they talk in the first place. ... And as for not being mature enough, a Person has to start somewhere. Imagine not allowing a boy to talk to a female other than those in his family circle then suddenly when his financially and physically ready to support a family, we go and ask him to know everything about how to hold a conversation with a girl, how to have an emotional connection, how to understand them. Its crazy to think that they can do that. Complete segregation is not the solution brother and it was never a part of islam. PERIOD!
  4. Is he? The other guy did exactly what you recommended yet he still got stuck with a bad partner. He consulted his elders, they didnt give him good advice and even if they did it wasnt enough to change his mind. He didnt talk to her a lot to know what kind of person she truly is, and your suggesting its haram to use one of the best methods of investigating someone which is communicating with them directly or even online. Its almost like your asking him to build a monument with his hands tied behind his back and blindfolded.
  5. Its not just his duty to follow islam bro. Its the elders and the entire society as well that should provide an environment were the boy can practice islam effectively. That is if you expect him never to do a mistake in his life. So that if he does you can know that its 100% his fault. But this world is not perfect hence you should expect him to do a mistake here and there once every now and then. We are not robots you know? Its just that i feel like your taking out the human factor completely. You expect him to be like a machine. do everything by the book when thats not the case. We are driven by emotions and we will do mistakes because of them. So to put the blame 100% on him is just ignorance.
  6. Its not just his duty to follow islam 100%, its our duty to provide him with an environment were he can actually be 100% islamic. Go ahead and try to avoid riba 100% of your entire life in this day and age ... you can't. Try to avoid partial or even full nudity nowadays ... you cant. Try to not fall for a girl when your hormones are raging and everyone around you is in an illegitimate relationship ... you cant. i can keep going on and on ...
  7. So why are you putting the blame 100% on him when its also the environment and the people around him that usually play a massive role in cases like these?
  8. Again, your not considering the human factor and his limited mental capacity to think broadly like u expect him. Young people dont understand that there is a need to think about the safety factor ... so why would they even do research in the first place. They are unaware of the dangers to do research let alone be an FBI in their research! Get it? Its like ... if a person has no idea about what a fire is, ofc its expected of him to try to touch it not knowing the dangers of doing that. That doesnt mean he is 100% wrong!
  9. Again, whats the point of elders if they themselves are fallible? if they themselves are not effective? If they dont have the guts or time to spend talking to their children about these feelings we have when we grow up? If they dont have the connection with their children to talk to them freely and openly and have that trust bond when relaying important information about relationships and emotions? Is it still the guy's fault 100%?
  10. Your right in saying the its getting harder to find a pious woman by the minute. But here is a suggestion. Why dont we try to make them pious instead of pushing them out? Try to pull them to the circle of huda and takwaa instead of despising them and cursing them? Its almost impossible to find a girl that is 100% pious in this day and age, so might as well make them pious then. The reward for bringing someone close to the path and Huda of Allah is as if you have safe all of man kind.


Think about it like this. If a girl dresses immodestly and goes out in the streets and then gets raped. Is it fair for us to say that it was 100% her fault? of course not! Most of the blame falls on the rapist as his mind is so twisted to even allow himself to cause such harm to someone, even if that they are doing is wrong. Thats not to say that the girl is 100% innocent. She played a big role in this and a lot of the blame falls on her. but for the most part its the rapist who is in the wrong here. Not the girl. Even if the girl is 100% wrong. That does not give the rapist permission to rape her! PERIOD.
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xboxisdead
06-01-2018, 07:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
[LIST=1][*]Talking to strange/non mahram girls is not haram in islam so long as it doesnt involve any seductive or flirtatious expressions. Basically there shouldnt be any thing that tempts either of them into the haram. And if what the OP said is true and his intent was pure love then its a given that there wasnt any temptation. I repeat again: talking to the opposite gender in islam is not haram![*]Skipped
I thought this applied to public area such as you are customer talking to the female owner of the store to buy products or walking in the street and a woman stopped you to asking for direction or you are a student and she is a teacher and so on. I did not know it was OK for a strange man to talk to non-mahrim woman in dating site. In fact, when I am talking in the street I thought i was not allowed to talk to non-mahrim woman for no important reason I have even do not say as salaam aliakum to sisters who are walking with hijab but only say salaam to brothers when I know he is Muslim. I would say salaam alaikum to sister myself when she is with her mahram man. I guess there is more for me to learn. :omg:

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
[LIST=1][*]Again, talking to non-mahram girls online is not haram, so long as there isnt any temptation involved.
Aren't you opening a door for a shiataan to be the third between them? If you talk to non-mahrim girl online for other reason beside business, work or job interview or medical doctor...what is your real intention there if not be tempted to do haram thing? Maybe I am extremist.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
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The reason why i said the methods he used was wrong is because he got his parents involved AFTER (not before) he got himself emotionally attached to her, and thats where he went wrong.
I agree 100%

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
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not the fact that they talk in the first place. ...
I am learning :)

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
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And as for not being mature enough, a Person has to start somewhere. Imagine not allowing a boy to talk to a female other than those in his family circle then suddenly when his financially and physically ready to support a family, we go and ask him to know everything about how to hold a conversation with a girl, how to have an emotional connection, how to understand them. Its crazy to think that they can do that. Complete segregation is not the solution brother and it was never a part of islam. PERIOD!
I never said complete segregation..how to answer your question over there...isn't that where dad's value come to full important and tuition? Shouldn't the son get his wisdom about relationship and women from his father? As the father ages and he gets white hair..wouldn't the father see the new generation of women act and give his son even more advice to women who he should avoid and not?


format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
  1. format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO
  2. Is he? The other guy did exactly what you recommended yet he still got stuck with a bad partner. He consulted his elders, they didnt give him good advice and even if they did it wasnt enough to change his mind. He didnt talk to her a lot to know what kind of person she truly is, and your suggesting its haram to use one of the best methods of investigating someone which is communicating with them directly or even online. Its almost like your asking him to build a monument with his hands tied behind his back and blindfolded.
  3. Its not just his duty to follow islam bro. Its the elders and the entire society as well that should provide an environment were the boy can practice islam effectively. That is if you expect him never to do a mistake in his life. So that if he does you can know that its 100% his fault. But this world is not perfect hence you should expect him to do a mistake here and there once every now and then. We are not robots you know? Its just that i feel like your taking out the human factor completely. You expect him to be like a machine. do everything by the book when thats not the case. We are driven by emotions and we will do mistakes because of them. So to put the blame 100% on him is just ignorance.
  4. Its not just his duty to follow islam 100%, its our duty to provide him with an environment were he can actually be 100% islamic. Go ahead and try to avoid riba 100% of your entire life in this day and age ... you can't. Try to avoid partial or even full nudity nowadays ... you cant. Try to not fall for a girl when your hormones are raging and everyone around you is in an illegitimate relationship ... you cant. i can keep going on and on ...
  5. So why are you putting the blame 100% on him when its also the environment and the people around him that usually play a massive role in cases like these?
  6. Again, your not considering the human factor and his limited mental capacity to think broadly like u expect him. Young people dont understand that there is a need to think about the safety factor ... so why would they even do research in the first place. They are unaware of the dangers to do research let alone be an FBI in their research! Get it? Its like ... if a person has no idea about what a fire is, ofc its expected of him to try to touch it not knowing the dangers of doing that. That doesnt mean he is 100% wrong!
  7. Again, whats the point of elders if they themselves are fallible? if they themselves are not effective? If they dont have the guts or time to spend talking to their children about these feelings we have when we grow up? If they dont have the connection with their children to talk to them freely and openly and have that trust bond when relaying important information about relationships and emotions? Is it still the guy's fault 100%?
  8. Your right in saying the its getting harder to find a pious woman by the minute. But here is a suggestion. Why dont we try to make them pious instead of pushing them out? Try to pull them to the circle of huda and takwaa instead of despising them and cursing them? Its almost impossible to find a girl that is 100% pious in this day and age, so might as well make them pious then. The reward for bringing someone close to the path and Huda of Allah is as if you have safe all of man kind.
format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO

Think about it like this. If a girl dresses immodestly and goes out in the streets and then gets raped. Is it fair for us to say that it was 100% her fault? of course not! Most of the blame falls on the rapist as his mind is so twisted to even allow himself to cause such harm to someone, even if that they are doing is wrong. Thats not to say that the girl is 100% innocent. She played a big role in this and a lot of the blame falls on her. but for the most part its the rapist who is in the wrong here. Not the girl. Even if the girl is 100% wrong. That does not give the rapist permission to rape her! PERIOD.
Is he? The other guy did exactly what you recommended yet he still got stuck with a bad partner. He consulted his elders, they didnt give him good advice and even if they did it wasnt enough to change his mind. He didnt talk to her a lot to know what kind of person she truly is, and your suggesting its haram to use one of the best methods of investigating someone which is communicating with them directly or even online. Its almost like your asking him to build a monument with his hands tied behind his back and blindfolded.
-sigh- Maybe you are right. I feel really bad for the brothers out there. When I walk and see brothers walking in the street and boys walking with their mothers (no fathers around) my heart melt in tears for them. If only they knew what they are going to expect in the future...ooof. I am glad I am single, not married and have children. The new generation is going to have it reaaaaallllly hard! It will be an almost impossible to be human. Wait and see.

I agree that young brothers nowadays (including me) are not equipped anymore with proper skills when it comes to relationship. If you don't think I feel sympathetic and sad for all the boys and men outside you are highly mistaken. :hmm: I understand believe you me that women have mastered the art of manipulation, lying, being full hypocritical, etc. Why do you think I am saying men are in crisis. When the prophet peace be upon him said that a man obey a woman will be destroyed...we are living in this era right now. Men are getting destroyed by the hands of their women. When the ahadeth talks that it is best for a man to be inside the Earth than above the Earth when his affairs are in the hands of their womenfolk...we are moving in that direction now.

Its not just his duty to follow islam bro. Its the elders and the entire society as well that should provide an environment were the boy can practice islam effectively. That is if you expect him never to do a mistake in his life. So that if he does you can know that its 100% his fault. But this world is not perfect hence you should expect him to do a mistake here and there once every now and then. We are not robots you know? Its just that i feel like your taking out the human factor completely. You expect him to be like a machine. do everything by the book when thats not the case. We are driven by emotions and we will do mistakes because of them. So to put the blame 100% on him is just ignorance.
I agree! It just I feel over protective for the brothers heart. I know when brothers heart bleed...it is impossible for him to heal up and so many brothers are not equipped with such emotions because told them at young age not to cry or express your feeling. Then stab that heart...it is a formula for disaster.

Its not just his duty to follow islam 100%, its our duty to provide him with an environment were he can actually be 100% islamic. Go ahead and try to avoid riba 100% of your entire life in this day and age ... you can't. Try to avoid partial or even full nudity nowadays ... you cant. Try to not fall for a girl when your hormones are raging and everyone around you is in an illegitimate relationship ... you cant. i can keep going on and on ...
So why are you putting the blame 100% on him when its also the environment and the people around him that usually play a massive role in cases like these?
Hmmm...I want to live in Turkey. Turkey is the only country now I see that actually take Islam seriously and not as extremist as how Saudi Arabia was like either. You see women and men are in stores, selling items...so it is not like Saudi Arabia in that regard..but also take family...gender role and Islamic law seriously. And their food is delicious!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Aaaah! I want to go to Turkey now if I could!

Again, your not considering the human factor and his limited mental capacity to think broadly like u expect him. Young people dont understand that there is a need to think about the safety factor ... so why would they even do research in the first place. They are unaware of the dangers to do research let alone be an FBI in their research! Get it? Its like ... if a person has no idea about what a fire is, ofc its expected of him to try to touch it not knowing the dangers of doing that. That doesnt mean he is 100% wrong!
Well it is time we have Muslim school and teach boys about brotherhoods. Unite as one. Teach boys in Islamic way about relationship, dating, etc instead of leaving them in the wild to figuring things on their own and instead of leaving them to the West to teach us.

Again, whats the point of elders if they themselves are fallible? if they themselves are not effective? If they dont have the guts or time to spend talking to their children about these feelings we have when we grow up? If they dont have the connection with their children to talk to them freely and openly and have that trust bond when relaying important information about relationships and emotions? Is it still the guy's fault 100%?
Well..it is time we make new elders!! :D:D

Your right in saying the its getting harder to find a pious woman by the minute. But here is a suggestion. Why dont we try to make them pious instead of pushing them out? Try to pull them to the circle of huda and takwaa instead of despising them and cursing them? Its almost impossible to find a girl that is 100% pious in this day and age, so might as well make them pious then. The reward for bringing someone close to the path and Huda of Allah is as if you have safe all of man kind.
You need to do two things:

A) Bring new generation of girls into huuda
B) Teach the new generation the way the act of the old generation is bad and give proof in Islam teachingsReply
MuslimahRo
06-02-2018, 06:04 AM
Assalam walaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu, brother. I encountered a bunch of liars and players online. Make dua to Allah for a loving, sincere wife. Insha Allah, you will get it. Try masjid lists and Islamic Conventions with matrimonial services. Those people are more serious than most people online. That woman sounds like a manipulative sociopath. You should thank and praise Allah that she left you. You should take a shower with the intention of purifying yourself of your sin. Then perform 2 rakat Salatut Taubah and beg Allah for forgiveness. Insha Allah, He Will Forgive you. Avoid something similar in the future. If somebody really wants to get married, he or she doesn't keep the other person waiting many months or years. I hope you learned your lesson.
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Studentofdeed
10-16-2018, 03:11 PM
PS ... You should stop cursing those who do bad to you so that they dont take from your good deeds on the day of judgement.


How does cursing one cause you to lose good deeds? They wronged you. It's a hadith that you curse who wronged you?
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