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RiyanTriantomo
11-22-2018, 09:37 AM
why do many people reject khilafah (world Islamic government)? even though they are Muslims, they worship, they reject the Islamic flag that says لآ اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُوُل اللّهِ fluttering to rule the world? Why? I am confused? even though they know that Islam will make this world better with the law given directly by the creator of this world, but they actually make the image of Islam worse by saying that we Muslims are people who are hard, dirty, despicable, despicable, terrorists, etc. even though they were only consumed by the garbage media
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xboxisdead
11-22-2018, 03:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by RiyanTriantomo
why do many people reject khilafah (world Islamic government)? even though they are Muslims, they worship, they reject the Islamic flag that says لآ اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُوُل اللّهِ fluttering to rule the world? Why? I am confused? even though they know that Islam will make this world better with the law given directly by the creator of this world, but they actually make the image of Islam worse by saying that we Muslims are people who are hard, dirty, despicable, despicable, terrorists, etc. even though they were only consumed by the garbage media
Are you from Saudi Arabia?
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azc
11-22-2018, 04:38 PM
The hadeeth narrated by Safeenah (radiallaahu anhu), that the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said:

خلافة النبوة ثلاثون سنة ثم يؤتي الله الملك من يشاء

The Prophetic khilaafah will last for thirty years. Then Allaah will give the dominion to whomever He wills.

Reported by Abu Dawud and al-Haakim. Saheeh al-Jaami' as-Sagheer (no. 3257) declared Saheehby Imaam al-Albaani (rahimahullaah).

And in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, there occurs after this hadeeth, what is said by Sa'eed bin Jamhaan, who narrated from Safeenah:

قال سفينة: امسك، خلافة أبي بكر رضي الله عنه سنتين، وعمر رضي الله عنه عشراً، وعثمان رضي الله عنه اثنتي عشر، وعلي ستّاً

Safeenah said (to me): Hold on (meaning, listen), the khilaafah of Abu Bakr (radiallaahu anhu) was two years, and [that of] Umar (radiallaahu anhu) was ten years, and [that of] Uthmaan (radiallaahu anhu) twelve years, and [that of] Alee (radiallaahu anhu) six years.

Abu Dawud, Kitaab us-Sunnah, Chapter on the Khulafaa, (no. 4647).

Also reported by Safeenah, the saying of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam):

الخلافة بعدي في أمتي ثلاثون سنة ثم ملك بعد ذلك

The khilaafah after me in my Ummah will last for thirty years. Then there will be kingship after that.
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RiyanTriantomo
11-22-2018, 05:09 PM
how about this, In general the people of the Prophet Muhammad since he was appointed the Prophet until the end of time will experience 5 ages, this has been suggested in some Hadith Sahih, Ahmad and Abu Dawud, We quote one of them narrated by Imam Ahmad:

تَكُوْنُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيْكُمْ مَا شَاءَ ا للهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ اَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا عَاضًا ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا جَبَّرِيًّا ، فَتَكُوْنَ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، ثُمَّ سَكَتَ
"The prophetic period will last for you in a few years, then God lifts it up. After that came the period of the Caliphate of the Prophet Nubuwwah (Caliphate according to the prophethood), for some time until Allah Ta'ala raised him. Then came the period of mulkan aadhdhan (rulers who bite) for some time. Then came the period of the coming of jabbriyyan (rulers who forced the will) in a period of time until the time determined by Allah ta'ala. After that the period of the khilafah will be repeated ‘ala minhaj nubuwwah. Then the Prophet (Muhammad) was silent. "(Ahmad)
تَكُوْنُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيْكُمْ مَا شَاءَ ا للهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ اَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا عَاضًا ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا جَبَّرِيًّا ، فَتَكُوْنَ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، ثُمَّ سَكَتَ
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anatolian
11-22-2018, 06:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by RiyanTriantomo
how about this, In general the people of the Prophet Muhammad since he was appointed the Prophet until the end of time will experience 5 ages, this has been suggested in some Hadith Sahih, Ahmad and Abu Dawud, We quote one of them narrated by Imam Ahmad:

تَكُوْنُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيْكُمْ مَا شَاءَ ا للهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ اَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا عَاضًا ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا جَبَّرِيًّا ، فَتَكُوْنَ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، ثُمَّ سَكَتَ
"The prophetic period will last for you in a few years, then God lifts it up. After that came the period of the Caliphate of the Prophet Nubuwwah (Caliphate according to the prophethood), for some time until Allah Ta'ala raised him. Then came the period of mulkan aadhdhan (rulers who bite) for some time. Then came the period of the coming of jabbriyyan (rulers who forced the will) in a period of time until the time determined by Allah ta'ala. After that the period of the khilafah will be repeated ‘ala minhaj nubuwwah. Then the Prophet (Muhammad) was silent. "(Ahmad)
تَكُوْنُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيْكُمْ مَا شَاءَ ا للهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ اَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا عَاضًا ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا جَبَّرِيًّا ، فَتَكُوْنَ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، ثُمَّ سَكَتَ
That last period is the reign of Mahdi. We are in the period of the rulers of jabbriyyan (rulers who force the will). ISIS are also from those jabbriyyans. They are not a true khilafat.
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azc
11-22-2018, 06:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by RiyanTriantomo
how about this, In general the people of the Prophet Muhammad since he was appointed the Prophet until the end of time will experience 5 ages, this has been suggested in some Hadith Sahih, Ahmad and Abu Dawud, We quote one of them narrated by Imam Ahmad:

تَكُوْنُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيْكُمْ مَا شَاءَ ا للهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ اَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا عَاضًا ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا جَبَّرِيًّا ، فَتَكُوْنَ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، ثُمَّ سَكَتَ
"The prophetic period will last for you in a few years, then God lifts it up. After that came the period of the Caliphate of the Prophet Nubuwwah (Caliphate according to the prophethood), for some time until Allah Ta'ala raised him. Then came the period of mulkan aadhdhan (rulers who bite) for some time. Then came the period of the coming of jabbriyyan (rulers who forced the will) in a period of time until the time determined by Allah ta'ala. After that the period of the khilafah will be repeated ‘ala minhaj nubuwwah. Then the Prophet (Muhammad) was silent. "(Ahmad)
تَكُوْنُ النُّبُوَّةُ فِيْكُمْ مَا شَاءَ ا للهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ اَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ اَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا عَاضًا ، فَتَكُوْنُ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ مُلْكًا جَبَّرِيًّا ، فَتَكُوْنَ مَا شَاءَ اللهُ أَنْ تَكُوْنَ ، ثُمَّ يَرْفَعُهَا إِذَا شَاءَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهَا ، ثُمَّ تَكُوْنُ خِلآفَةً عَلَى مِنْهَاجِ النُّبُوَّةِ ، ثُمَّ سَكَتَ

It is obvious there is none but imam mehdi who can establish khilafah ‘ala minhaj nubuwwah.

So last Khilafah will be established by imam mehdi and afterwards this khilafah will not come to an end, however, khulafah will be changed. It evinced in the last part of hadith you have quoted ''then the prophet :saws: was silent''.
Silences means there is no more kingship.

Therefore, this concept of khilafah will not be revived until imam mehdi comes
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RiyanTriantomo
11-23-2018, 06:52 AM
well that is very true ... but we must believe it, where now many people do not believe it, on the other hand we don't want to prepare it, it is very clear we must act to prepare it, is it possible that someday the Mahdi priest will appear and then bai'at after the khilafah ala minhaji nubuwwah will immediately rise, and suddenly it materializes? it is not possible with the current state of Muslims ....or just like this, the question arises to me, if reading the hadith what charity should we do?
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azc
11-23-2018, 01:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by RiyanTriantomo
well that is very true ... but we must believe it, where now many people do not believe it, on the other hand we don't want to prepare it, it is very clear we must act to prepare it, is it possible that someday the Mahdi priest will appear and then bai'at after the khilafah ala minhaji nubuwwah will immediately rise, and suddenly it materializes? it is not possible with the current state of Muslims ....or just like this, the question arises to me, if reading the hadith what charity should we do?
The Age prior to Hz imam mehdi :ra: is replete with trials and tribulations in form of serious calamities and the severest one is the apostasy of Muslims in large scale by following dajjal that will leave very small number of Muslims on this planet. Remaining Muslims, the best of this ummah, will be the followers of Hz imam mehdi :ra:
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M.I.A.
11-23-2018, 03:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by RiyanTriantomo
why do many people reject khilafah (world Islamic government)? even though they are Muslims, they worship, they reject the Islamic flag that says لآ اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُوُل اللّهِ fluttering to rule the world? Why? I am confused? even though they know that Islam will make this world better with the law given directly by the creator of this world, but they actually make the image of Islam worse by saying that we Muslims are people who are hard, dirty, despicable, despicable, terrorists, etc. even though they were only consumed by the garbage media
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