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urkahnkhan
02-08-2019, 09:24 PM
This is a Sunnah that predates Islam all the way upto Adam and his children. Qabil disliked Habil and eventually killed him it was jealousy, personal reasons but also because he was a non-believer where as Habil was believer.

The previous believers, prophets and saints have all come under severe target by the non-believers. They plotted and even killed multiple of prophets on the land since the beginning of Mankind.

It's there Sunnah to dislike the believers just like how a cat won't eat anything but meat and you can't make a cat eat salad or other non-meat food because it's strictly carnivore because of nature law and the same goes to the non-believers they simply follow a pattern which is to dislike anything that is believing because the shayteen have a pull on them and influence their brains so they think they are following their own gut feeling but it's shayteen inciting them but they can't tell apart because they don't believe in any of that including the shaytan himself. They are people who don't know how things work and how the world operates so having a Satan qarn would be something to far fatched for them to understand and if you even tell them they are being influenced that would also be even more far fatched idea to them.

But all in all make no mistake regarding the non-believers they are simply following the natural law of life just like the animals do today and you won't find any change within them whatsoever and Allah even said in the Quran that they will only accept you if you disbelief like them hence they follow that pattern.

If you see otherwise it would be something strange and equal to seeing a cow eating the corpse of a death deer on the road side etc etc something extremely unlikely out of the nature law.

Don't be fooled by this people they exist in different state of mind and only wish for the demise of the believers and judgement day will come upon them in that state. You will not see any flaws in nature such as water flowing up when you hold your bottle of water downwards and expecting it to pour that way.


Humans are in different state of minds just like how when someone is drunk and sober is different state of minds while the one who is high on hashish is not in the same state of mind as the one who is drunk and vice versa. Different state of minds and the same goes to the non-believers and believers.

Example would you pet a wild Crocodile the answer is no because you know of it's nature and the same goes to the non-believers they also have a certain set of laws and be mindful of that Sunnah and never think of it as something lightly. In several verses in the Quran they are described as people who don't understand, reason or people who don't know
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SintoDinto
02-09-2019, 12:15 AM
ok then why are there non muslims, both christians and jews, and atheists and agnostics, who advocate for the rights of muslims?
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DanEdge
02-09-2019, 12:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
ok then why are there non muslims, both christians and jews, and atheists and agnostics, who advocate for the rights of muslims?
Yeah, uh...
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xboxisdead
02-09-2019, 01:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
ok then why are there non muslims, both christians and jews, and atheists and agnostics, who advocate for the rights of muslims?
They are the same people who advocate for rights of homosexuality, lesbianisim, single mothers and women having babies with other women or using IVF and eventually not now..BUT GIVE IT TIME...they will be the same people who advocate for right of pedophile and Muslims at the same boat.

Besides...even if they went out of their way and became the best people on Earth and protected all Muslims and gave Muslim a place that is like paradise (but not paradise) on Earth with all rights and they even put billions of dollars in Islamic school, mosques and allowed Athan in their country and celebrated Islam and they died for Muslims in battle...when death takes them...they will be thrown in eternal hellfire.

In order for them to save their skin they need to embrace Islam, declare Shahada in both mouth and heart THEN THEIR DEEDS COUNT!
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crimsontide06
02-09-2019, 01:29 AM
I think there are different levels.

Lets say

1. People who have blind hate of anything that is not their own ethnicity, religion or race

2. People who understand Islam but they both dislike Muslims and reject Islam

3. People who do not understand Islam, in fact they are afraid of Muslims, as they believe Muslims will savagely kill them for no reason

4.People who understand Islam and may even have Muslim friends but reject Islam.

5. People who do not understand Islam but have Muslim friends or they are not prejudice against Muslims.

6. People who have never heard of Islam
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CuriousonTruth
02-09-2019, 02:13 AM
Communists hate non-communists. Racialists hate other races. Hindu nationalists hate non-hindus. Christians hate non-christians. FInally a lot of muslims dislike a portion of non-muslims (atleast).

It comes from the mentality of the belief that your path, your ideology, your beliefs are true and superior than other. And I don't condemn this either.

Ofcourse a large number of non-muslims hate Islam. Grow up and deal with it like muslims in the past.

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Or keep crying. That works too I guess.
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urkahnkhan
02-09-2019, 06:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
Communists hate non-communists. Racialists hate other races. Hindu nationalists hate non-hindus. Christians hate non-christians. FInally a lot of muslims dislike a portion of non-muslims (atleast).

It comes from the mentality of the belief that your path, your ideology, your beliefs are true and superior than other. And I don't condemn this either.

Ofcourse a large number of non-muslims hate Islam. Grow up and deal with it like muslims in the past.

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Or keep crying. That works too I guess.

You mistaken me for someone who actully cares or gives 2 cents ''keep crying'' what kind of reply is that seems like you are the one whos hurt by what I said. The whole purpose of this thread is for Dawah and to shade light on why certain things occur thru out history and this is also in Al-Quran.

Do I look like to you someone who would cry over nature law and why cats eat meat or wild Crocodile are dengerous. I say this because this is a certainity as simple as that. By the way the Non-believers dislike true believers or view there existence to be a threat not cultural muslims or ahlul-bid'ah they just ignore these.

These prophets were killed because they were viewed as dengerous and a Sunnah that has continued for the true believers not ''The Pretenders'' they don't belong to the category of Believers or non-believers hence the pretenders have their own category and section.

I'm calm about what I said and I said it in a calm and cold manner it is what it is

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format_quote Originally Posted by crimsontide06
I think there are different levels.

Lets say

1. People who have blind hate of anything that is not their own ethnicity, religion or race

2. People who understand Islam but they both dislike Muslims and reject Islam

3. People who do not understand Islam, in fact they are afraid of Muslims, as they believe Muslims will savagely kill them for no reason

4.People who understand Islam and may even have Muslim friends but reject Islam.

5. People who do not understand Islam but have Muslim friends or they are not prejudice against Muslims.

6. People who have never heard of Islam
This is rather a good reply.

Yep. You can say that regarding the non-believers they are different groups amongst them but the main problem is not what they heard but just the shayteen in their ears having to much power over them while they believe this is their gut feeling but it's not and these who break this barrier are these whom Allah wants to guide mostly.

Hence they are always bound to be in a psychological state of having different negative opinions about the true believers and it's not there fault mostly but due to being heavily influenced by the shayteen but they think it's there gut feeling. As you mentioned some are down right scared it's because their Qarn is scared of these he sees light coming out from so he will force his human to avoid contact or any links with them that way.

I could go deep on this regarding their mental state but it has something to do with psychological state of mind due to the shayteen entity having controll over them via 2 channels the ears and heart.

It's just nature law and it's like a wall of barrier is between you and them where they can't hear you nor can you hear them. Different mind of state and somehow exist in different worlds even tho it's the same world due to that wall of barrier.

In the Quran it is said that there hearts, ears and eyes are blocked and won't understand nor believe even if angels descent from heaven while watching. This goes to show you that they were simply blocked off by Allah(Swt) with knowlegde and that block is tight no one can by pass it except these Allah wants to remove from them and guide them.

The truth is that a divine decision has gone against them and strong decision without exaggeration which has lead them to be blocked off completely without removing it so if you analyse their situation deep down you will understand how they are in an unfortunate situation and one you wouldn't exchange with them even if granted multiple of trillions of dollars.

The Sahaba once asked the prophet after hearing the verses that talk about their hearts, ears and eyes being blocked off? and Said why have their hearts, ears and eyes been blocked? The prophet answered it's because of the sins they have done.

Example the prophet was crying over his uncle and wanted to convert him but Allah didn't change his decision regarding his uncle despite the prophet begging for it.

Be grateful because the greatest privilege a human can have is being given the access to worship Allah and know him while he or she is alive
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Eric H
02-09-2019, 08:04 AM
Greetings and peace be with you crimsontide06;

People who have blind hate of anything that is not their own ethnicity, religion or race
As CuriousonTruth mentioned, we know it happens, but the greater question is how do we deal with it? How do we convince people that we are not a threat in their community? But rather we are a force for good.

The council and police have just given churches in our town an award; for thousands of hours of voluntary work in the community, week after week, and year after year. Whilst many people will not recognise or agree with Christianity, they recognise and thank us for the good stuff we do. If faith communities can be recognised for the good works they do, then we can reverse these trends.

In the spirit of searching for a greate4st meaning of 'One God';

Eric
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CuriousonTruth
02-09-2019, 08:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan
You mistaken me for someone who actully cares or gives 2 cents ''keep crying'' what kind of reply is that seems like you are the one whos hurt by what I said. The whole purpose of this thread is for Dawah and to shade light on why certain things occur thru out history and this is also in Al-Quran.

Do I look like to you someone who would cry over nature law and why cats eat meat or wild Crocodile are dengerous. I say this because this is a certainity as simple as that. By the way the Non-believers dislike true believers or view there existence to be a threat not cultural muslims or ahlul-bid'ah they just ignore these.

These prophets were killed because they were viewed as dengerous and a Sunnah that has continued for the true believers not ''The Pretenders'' they don't belong to the category of Believers or non-believers hence the pretenders have their own category and section.

I'm calm about what I said and I said it in a calm and cold manner it is what it is

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I have no idea what emotion you were in when you wrote what you wrote.

It's that a lot of muslims have victim mentality when they feel discriminated by non-muslims and they usually cry about it in forums, social media, etc.

format_quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan
Do I look like to you someone who would cry over nature law and why cats eat meat or wild Crocodile are dengerous. I say this because this is a certainity as simple as that. By the way the Non-believers dislike true believers or view there existence to be a threat not cultural muslims or ahlul-bid'ah they just ignore these.
No I'm pretty sure they hate anyone remotely related to islam. Most western people hate Iran for example, but Iran represents Shia sect. They also hate Muslim Brotherhood, HT, Erdogan, Ottomans, Andalusia all who according to you are "ahlul bidah", since I assume you are a salafist.

Except for Qadiyani, Bahai all other sects are hated.
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urkahnkhan
02-09-2019, 08:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
I have no idea what emotion you were in when you wrote what you wrote.

It's that a lot of muslims have victim mentality when they feel discriminated by non-muslims and they usually cry about it in forums, social media, etc.



No I'm pretty sure they hate anyone remotely related to islam. Most western people hate Iran for example, but Iran represents Shia sect. They also hate Muslim Brotherhood, HT, Erdogan, Ottomans, Andalusia all who according to you are "ahlul bidah", since I assume you are a salafist.

Except for Qadiyani, Bahai all other sects are hated.
It seems like whatever I wrote burned inside somewhere but I could careless. By the way you sure that your not amongst the Shia because they don't count into anything as ''believers'' and in fact ideologically they are worse than the jewish who could technically be still labelled monotheist. The shia doctrine has gone to the dogs and to be honest I have even seen some non-believers describe them as ''polytheist and saying that there Mahdi has similarities with anti-christ and an opinion that I previously held to be honest and I just found it weird that we agreed on something.

Shites are not muslims period according to majority of scholars and it has nothing to do with personal issues or not it is because they are commiting major shirk on daily basis
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azc
02-09-2019, 12:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan
This is a Sunnah that predates Islam all the way upto Adam and his children. Qabil disliked Habil and eventually killed him it was jealousy, personal reasons but also because he was a non-believer where as Habil was believer.

The previous believers, prophets and saints have all come under severe target by the non-believers. They plotted and even killed multiple of prophets on the land since the beginning of Mankind.

It's there Sunnah to dislike the believers just like how a cat won't eat anything but meat and you can't make a cat eat salad or other non-meat food because it's strictly carnivore because of nature law and the same goes to the non-believers they simply follow a pattern which is to dislike anything that is believing because the shayteen have a pull on them and influence their brains so they think they are following their own gut feeling but it's shayteen inciting them but they can't tell apart because they don't believe in any of that including the shaytan himself. They are people who don't know how things work and how the world operates so having a Satan qarn would be something to far fatched for them to understand and if you even tell them they are being influenced that would also be even more far fatched idea to them.

But all in all make no mistake regarding the non-believers they are simply following the natural law of life just like the animals do today and you won't find any change within them whatsoever and Allah even said in the Quran that they will only accept you if you disbelief like them hence they follow that pattern.

If you see otherwise it would be something strange and equal to seeing a cow eating the corpse of a death deer on the road side etc etc something extremely unlikely out of the nature law.

Don't be fooled by this people they exist in different state of mind and only wish for the demise of the believers and judgement day will come upon them in that state. You will not see any flaws in nature such as water flowing up when you hold your bottle of water downwards and expecting it to pour that way.


Humans are in different state of minds just like how when someone is drunk and sober is different state of minds while the one who is high on hashish is not in the same state of mind as the one who is drunk and vice versa. Different state of minds and the same goes to the non-believers and believers.

Example would you pet a wild Crocodile the answer is no because you know of it's nature and the same goes to the non-believers they also have a certain set of laws and be mindful of that Sunnah and never think of it as something lightly. In several verses in the Quran they are described as people who don't understand, reason or people who don't know
You mean Qabil was a kafir....?
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DanEdge
02-09-2019, 03:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
Besides...even if they went out of their way and became the best people on Earth and protected all Muslims and gave Muslim a place that is like paradise (but not paradise) on Earth with all rights and they even put billions of dollars in Islamic school, mosques and allowed Athan in their country and celebrated Islam and they died for Muslims in battle...when death takes them...they will be thrown in eternal hellfire.
That's discouraging... [emoji16] But not really. In my opinion, if there really is a God, he would be able to see into my heart and see that I am a good person who does not deserve to be tortured into infinity. Just my thoughts.

Dan Edge
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Nitro Zeus
02-09-2019, 03:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by DanEdge
That's discouraging... [emoji16] But not really. In my opinion, if there really is a God, he would be able to see into my heart and see that I am a good person who does not deserve to be tortured into infinity. Just my thoughts.

Dan Edge
Well, you need first to accept Islam by reciting this "there is no god but God, and Muhammad is God's Prophet". Quran says: "the one who heard about Islam but did not accepted it, his (good)deeds are in vain and he will be a loser in Hereafter". If you don't want infinite torture of Hereafter, it is much wiser for you to convert to Islam. Also Quran says that no one has right to disbelieve in Me(Lord God).
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CuriousonTruth
02-09-2019, 03:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan
It seems like whatever I wrote burned inside somewhere but I could careless. By the way you sure that your not amongst the Shia because they don't count into anything as ''believers'' and in fact ideologically they are worse than the jewish who could technically be still labelled monotheist. The shia doctrine has gone to the dogs and to be honest I have even seen some non-believers describe them as ''polytheist and saying that there Mahdi has similarities with anti-christ and an opinion that I previously held to be honest and I just found it weird that we agreed on something.

Shites are not muslims period according to majority of scholars and it has nothing to do with personal issues or not it is because they are commiting major shirk on daily basis
Good job on completely missing the point of my post. Congrats.
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CuriousonTruth
02-09-2019, 06:12 PM
A bit relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055rP8ZcIYs

Look at like/dislike ratio
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azc
02-09-2019, 06:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by DanEdge
That's discouraging... [emoji16] But not really. In my opinion, if there really is a God, he would be able to see into my heart and see that I am a good person who does not deserve to be tortured into infinity. Just my thoughts.

Dan Edge
If you are a good person as you think and also you do good deeds then you will be rewarded in this life.
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anatolian
02-09-2019, 08:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
A bit relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055rP8ZcIYs

Look at like/dislike ratio
But we have also this one :D

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CuriousonTruth
02-09-2019, 08:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian;300e7637
But we have also this one :D

(1) Tongue in cheek.

(2) RedmenTV is Liverpool's fan channel, it's main target audience is liverpool fans, so ofcourse like ratio will be high
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xboxisdead
02-10-2019, 02:43 AM
DanEdge maybe happy with the idea of been rewarded in this life but can I tell you something? I don't want to be reward in this life only! No! To me I feel I have achieved a lose and not a success to be rewarded only in this life. I get rewarded in this life one day, next the world is spinning and I feel so horrible like I wish I was dead...or one day I am rewarded and the next the depression MONSTER get a hold of me and I feel like the world is over....this is not paradise! This world is not worth it. This world is paradise for DanEdge and other non-believers. For me I want my success in the afterlife. If it means I end up in hospital at deathbed every week or get paralyzed or have people oppress me and I got the reward for the most oppressed person on Earth and in exchange for that my reward is in the afterlife I will do the trade in a heartbeat.

I want the afterlife...not this world...the people who are grabbing for this world and want to turn this world as their version of paradise are the most miserable people on Earth...because this world is indeed a deceiver....a cunner...the more you grab into this world the more the world runs away from you and put you in a miserable state. The more you say...F this world I want the afterlife and you have the truth in your heart and you believe in Allah and his prophets the more this WORLD will be RUNNING TO YOU instead.
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M.I.A.
02-10-2019, 02:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
ok then why are there non muslims, both christians and jews, and atheists and agnostics, who advocate for the rights of muslims?
That's not what he said, it might be what he said..

but what you should think is that both Christian and jew face opposition from within there own communities..

In your example you said that all sorts of people belonging to all sorts of religion advocate for Muslim rights, but you must also acknowledge how many people belonging to any of those groups do not, or actively oppose the rights of muslims.

What you are and what you say you are can be two different things.. what you put forward and what becomes of it are also things I am unaware of.

Only time will tell who the truthful are, although those that speak without thought or regret.. are especially dangerous..

But if you have no remorse or fear of what you put forward what will you learn, what will influence you..

It's a catch 22 situation, the agents are quick mr Anderson or is it mr Smith?

In the end do you write for yourself or does Allah swt write for you?

OP mentions them as believers rather than any specific group.. maybe he means something else but I would assume if you could question those people that support muslims rights.. then they would give you their understanding of the term.


The example of those who were entrusted with the Torah and then did not take it on is like that of a donkey who carries volumes [of books]. Wretched is the example of the people who deny the signs of Allah . And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
Say, "O you who are Jews, if you claim that you are allies of Allah, excluding the [other] people, then wish for death, if you should be truthful."
But they will not wish for it, ever, because of what their hands have put forth. And Allah is Knowing of the wrongdoers.

...it also says although "they" claim to be Jews, most of them are not.

Unfortunately harder to Google that so let me know if I'm wrong.. it's a different paragraph or chapter.

The irony is that you could replace jew in the above with any religion at present and the majorities would fit the bill.

Everybody has a rebuttal, it's the way of the world.

You wouldn't want to be responsible for people that don't take the religion or the way they live seriously.. so I guess its acceptable.

But a middle ground may exist.

As the sheik says, Allah swt allow us to be closed doors to evil.. loosely paraphrased from a dua.
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ardianto
02-10-2019, 11:44 PM
:sl:

We, Muslims, believe that we are the believers, while Christians are non-believers. But Christians believe that they are the believers, while Muslims like us are the non-believers. That’s why history has recorded series of great wars between Muslims and Christians which both parties believed that they were the believers, while the opposite side were the non-believers.

You may ask, why non-believers hate the believers when you see non-Muslims attack Muslims. But do you know?, Christians asked same question too when the radical Muslims destroyed their churches. Buddhists asked the same question too when Taliban destroyed Buddha statue.

Some human tend to hate the others just because the others are different than them. And it’s because they don’t have love in their hearts.
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Abz2000
02-11-2019, 02:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.



...it also says although "they" claim to be Jews, most of them are not.

Unfortunately harder to Google that so let me know if I'm wrong.. it's a different paragraph or chapter.

It appears that Allah :swt: is referring to the racist entity called "yahoods" - this is due to the fact that many of them believe that no other race of people from the seed of Adam - have equal human rights as themselves - even though they may be "alien" believers and followers of the Law given to Musa :as: , also they are given seperate seating places even at places of worship as can be seen from the inner and outer courtyards at the holy mount (which happened to be copied out in the city london (where the seat of rothschild now is along with a private "city police force" which is out of the proper jurisdiction of the met) courts by the templar crusaders who coincidentally happened to be in the money changing business after the lands which came under Islam forbade usury and chased the parasites out to places such as Europe).

It is clear that the literal meaning of the term "haadoo" which seems to come from the root of "guidance" "hidaayah" is not referred to in this instance, since Allah :swt: is advising everybody to be guided correctly according to His advice throughout the Quran.

The racism of the Jews towards "goyim" has become a problem for the jews themselves since it pits them racially against the world with no peaceful solution in sight -:even more impossible than a pyramid scheme or the usury scam - also familiar territory to some - since they falsely and unjustly changed the words of the book and falsely wrote that it is lawful to exploit a non-jew via usury - Allah :swt: confirms in the final revelation that they were forbidden it and that their "hearts were hardened" (obviously - since they're racist and greedy they tend to lose any sympathy, empathy, or humanity which their hearts may have contained when they were born).

Just a quick confirmation lol.
Let the 12 members of the jewry choose their own fate.
a definite guilty verdict on the racism front i'm sure.



Allah SWT said:

قَالَ يٰٓإِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَىَّ ۖ أَسْتَكْبَرْ تَ أَمْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ
"[Allah] said, O Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands? Were you arrogant [then], or were you [already] among the haughty?"
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 75)

Allah SWT said:

قَالَ أَنَا۠ خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ خَلَقْتَنِى مِنْ نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُۥ مِنْ طِينٍ
"He said, I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 76)


Allah SWT said:

قَالَ فَاخْرُجْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّكَ رَجِيمٌ
"[Allah] said, Then get out of from it, for indeed, you are expelled."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 77)


Allah SWT said:

وَإِنَّ عَلَيْكَ لَعْنَتِىٓ إِلٰى يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
"And indeed, upon you is My curse until the Day of Recompense."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 78)


Below is some reasoning from the racist satanic mutterings that appeared at Ancient Babylon.


http://vikingalthing.org/article/quo...-expel-people/

Also:
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MazharShafiq
02-11-2019, 07:11 AM
non-believers hate the believers when you see non-Muslims attack Muslims. But do you know?, Christians asked same question too when the radical Muslims destroyed their churches. Buddhists asked the same question too when Taliban destroyed Buddha statue.
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M.I.A.
02-11-2019, 03:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
It appears that Allah :swt: is referring to the racist entity called "yahoods" - this is due to the fact that many of them believe that no other race of people from the seed of Adam - have equal human rights as themselves - even though they may be "alien" believers and followers of the Law given to Musa :as: , also they are given seperate seating places even at places of worship as can be seen from the inner and outer courtyards at the holy mount (which happened to be copied out in the city london (where the seat of rothschild now is along with a private "city police force" which is out of the proper jurisdiction of the met) courts by the templar crusaders who coincidentally happened to be in the money changing business after the lands which came under Islam forbade usury and chased the parasites out to places such as Europe).

It is clear that the literal meaning of the term "haadoo" which seems to come from the root of "guidance" "hidaayah" is not referred to in this instance, since Allah :swt: is advising everybody to be guided correctly according to His advice throughout the Quran.

The racism of the Jews towards "goyim" has become a problem for the jews themselves since it pits them racially against the world with no peaceful solution in sight -:even more impossible than a pyramid scheme or the usury scam - also familiar territory to some - since they falsely and unjustly changed the words of the book and falsely wrote that it is lawful to exploit a non-jew via usury - Allah :swt: confirms in the final revelation that they were forbidden it and that their "hearts were hardened" (obviously - since they're racist and greedy they tend to lose any sympathy, empathy, or humanity which their hearts may have contained when they were born).

Just a quick confirmation lol.
Let the 12 members of the jewry choose their own fate.
a definite guilty verdict on the racism front i'm sure.



Allah SWT said:

قَالَ يٰٓإِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَىَّ ۖ أَسْتَكْبَرْ تَ أَمْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ
"[Allah] said, O Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands? Were you arrogant [then], or were you [already] among the haughty?"
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 75)

Allah SWT said:

قَالَ أَنَا۠ خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ خَلَقْتَنِى مِنْ نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُۥ مِنْ طِينٍ
"He said, I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 76)


Allah SWT said:

قَالَ فَاخْرُجْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّكَ رَجِيمٌ
"[Allah] said, Then get out of from it, for indeed, you are expelled."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 77)


Allah SWT said:

وَإِنَّ عَلَيْكَ لَعْنَتِىٓ إِلٰى يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
"And indeed, upon you is My curse until the Day of Recompense."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 78)


Below is some reasoning from the racist satanic mutterings that appeared at Ancient Babylon.


http://vikingalthing.org/article/quo...-expel-people/

Also:

right Abz2000,

i know its a jewish concept but its all too familiar in other cultures and races.

to assume rights over someone, through any number of means.. *

its like giving money to someone through charity and then being constantly asked for more money by the person.. a sort of entitlement that arises.

if you provide a service then i suppose its only fair to ask for money in most cases, i was often told i wasnt going to get anywhere running the place like a charity shop, but even then.. the concept of the "regular" customer poses its own problems.

on the one hand, allah swt brings customers to your door and on the other, if what you provide is any non essential then things are far from black and white.

the concept of the "goyim" is not a false concept.. its just a misuse of the way things "happen".

i would have to ask you how any man becomes a slave of some other?

at what point can he no longer hold a conversation on equal footing?

or at what point can he not make decisions that are in his self interest?

the difference is that even if some jews take advantage and misconstrue the natural order of things.. they are at least aware of them.

our people seem to be unaware of the back or its importance.

*
i would argue... and hear me out here.

that the world is made up of the seen and the unseen.

the front and the back.

even though we live in the front.

what gets written in the back is just as important..


when my customers stood before me at my own shop, they were far too clever..and very aware of what i was and what id done.

those years were not money making years, but learning years.

although i suppose having it the other way around nobody would complain.


so the evil of usury at present imo is not the interest rate imo.. any person who has a means of income can reasonably tell you that shopping around will get you a very low rate.

and the alternative of borrowing from people you know comes with its own set of problems.

how about the differences in islamic banking? ....not too sure if its a perfect method either.

but for those unable to use the system...those in need, unfair advantage is taken.

what happens if you cant afford repayments?

Those who swallow usury cannot rise up save as he ariseth whom the devil hath prostrated by (his) touch. That is because they say: Trade is just like usury; whereas Allah permitteth trading and forbiddeth usury. He unto whom an admonition from his Lord cometh, and (he) refraineth (in obedience thereto), he shall keep (the profits of) that which is past, and his affair (henceforth) is with Allah. As for him who returneth (to usury) - Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.
Those who eat Riba (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Riba (usury)," whereas Allah has permitted trading and forbidden Riba (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Riba (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allah (to judge); but whoever returns [to Riba (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire - they will abide therein.


..is that what i just said? that trade and usury are the same?


you know what i should have said right?

charity is an expiation of sin.. for what you have done, for what you are yet to do, for who you are associated with, for who has knowledge of you.

because the world has no problem in labeling you.. attributing things to you that you are not.

and the only way for it not to stick, is sincere repentance and charity..

or to be the customer.


anyway, that said im taking a loan.

3 years of my life, 3 years of counting on a job..3 years of repayments.


lets see who wants to make what of it.

the fear is always whats being written in the back.


...i have no choice, a lot of people have already quit work..

i just remember those years infront of those customers.


all i have is my own experience of things to talk about, so my posts often end up like this.


..i felt so angry for the longest time, but in the end had to admit it was my own failings being reflected.


i hope for you allah swt's favour in your endeavours.


the only way i learnt to keep shaitan from the door is to stop letting him in, i suppose thats why we are on islamic board.. although it may come easier to some than others.
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Abz2000
02-11-2019, 04:07 PM
I meant unjust racism specifically in my comment and not just discrimination according to the scales of the Creator and Master of the Universe - therefore all false ways of life dissolve in the equation of justice and truth just as salt dissolves in water - especially if you keep staring at it ..... ;)


A just standard of measure is required and we see the u.n and secularists simply making a mess whilst unjust bloodshed is being encouraged so that a few greedy and spiteful people can sell weapons and push people to lowliness and helplessness, then use the imf, world bank, and other usurious banks to keep people on their knees financially and socially whilst exacting regular tribute which only increases exponentially per second whilst the people of the planet are plunged further into ruin.

Regarding your mention of the usury rates -firstly, fiat currency is simply an addition of toxic smoke or dirty water to genuine clean air or milk respectively, -and secondly, usury on fiat currency cannot be paid back by a society since all principal fiat illegal tender currency is generally released with the demand that the total sum be paid back with additional unreleased usury which cannot be printed at home.
Just because people anticipate food in the mountains of smoke in the front and back of dajjal's caravan which happens to simultaneously leave ruins behind it - it doesn't mean that there is food in it -but rather it is a piece of paper falsely implying that God is one eyed, and that some other hapless dupe or unwilling victim -and not the issuer- is expected give actual gold or the fruits of their labour and sweat for. I mean why sweat all year if you can print a stack of notes, (or write huge unbacked cheques) to pay soldiery, corrupt lawmakers and judges, and then tell the people that they can accept it if they want to normally, but must accept it as legal tender if the issue hits the courts.
Bloody hell, why buy a pint of milk and drink it an be done with it if you can drink it and then simply add a pint of water to the dregs at the bottom of the bottle and then claim that the milk has increased? A slow boil and gradual inflation appears to pacify the people who live in fear based dog eat dog systems -who would otherwise revolt at the shock.

If usury is abolished and genuine and honest trade and sadaqah is encouraged, trust is re-established and loans are forthcoming from people who would have otherwise had their money deposited at the local usurer's vault. It is only ignorance, heedlessness, and a feeling of mass helplessness which appears to keep the usury system running.
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Scimitar
02-11-2019, 04:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
You mean Qabil was a kafir....?
ha! Well spotted misrepresentation and great question to ask in light of this thread!
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urkahnkhan
02-11-2019, 05:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
ha! Well spotted misrepresentation and great question to ask in light of this thread!
Yes. Qabil was a Kafir and he died kafir because he never made tawbah. His a non-believer and the masons to this day claim that he was the first freemason which is not true offcourse but he was certainly the first human kafir in history
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M.I.A.
02-11-2019, 07:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan
Yes. Qabil was a Kafir and he died kafir because he never made tawbah. His a non-believer and the masons to this day claim that he was the first freemason which is not true offcourse but he was certainly the first kafir mankind history
And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah ], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him].
If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.
Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers.
And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.
Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, "O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?" And he became of the regretful.
its not the story but its the story.
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azc
02-12-2019, 10:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan
Yes. Qabil was a Kafir and he died kafir because he never made tawbah. His a non-believer and the masons to this day claim that he was the first freemason which is not true offcourse but he was certainly the first human kafir in history
He was the first murderer on this planet so he is equally responsible for every murder likewise (as you claim that he was the first kafir among all human beings) so he should be responsible for kufr of every kafir as well...?

How do you know that he was a kafir..... ?
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