Islam21c - Big Discussion - Is the Sex Education battle over?

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Salaam

Like to share. Good point on how the all powerful state wants to 'raise' your child. Parents role has been diminished.

[anatolian]

Is your objection against the content? I think its a required education. Families dont want to talk about it most of the time and children, especially boys, are trying to learn it from unhealthy sources. Its a good idea to do it in the schools with a scientific methodology.

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Salaam

Ideally it should be parents, (relatives, wider community) teaching the basics to their child within an Islamic framework. I wouldnt trust the government given its record of disregarding parents wishes, concerns (which is the video talks about). They are more interested in their 'social engineering' projects. We can see the results.

So Much for 'Father's Day' - in a Country Where Fatherhood is Dying Out

So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.

[xboxisdead]

Salaam

Ideally it should be parents, (relatives, wider community) teaching the basics to their child within an Islamic framework. I wouldnt trust the government given its record of disregarding parents wishes, concerns (which is the video talks about). They are more interested in their 'social engineering' projects. We can see the results.

So Much for 'Father's Day' - in a Country Where Fatherhood is Dying Out

So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.

I am confused. Is fatherhood dying out a bad thing?

I just received this in my email (today actually):

The power of motherhood

Assalamualaikum Dear Brothers and Sisters,

A mother is such a strong personality, who not only nurtures child’s life but also empowers the child with excellence and can prepare the child for upbringing of the future generations in the best way possible, Insha Allah.

And there is no doubt that one of the powerful individuals on the face of this earth is the Mother. Even the utterance of a mother can change a child’s destiny, elevate child’s confidence and strength to an extend that will drive the child to achieve any greatness in both the worlds. We see in history many righteous and amazing mothers brought up their children with excellence without even having financial and other resources at hand.

Rabiah al-raai one of the biggest scholars of Islam whose father was in the army of the son of Abnan ibn affan and he used last with the army for years. He had a son and once, before leaving with the army he gave his wife, the mother of Rabiah al-raai 30,000 coins and asked her to look after the family as it may take a long time for him to return.



As you can see in Islam the emphasis on the motherhood as superior three times over the father. So why is fatherhood dying out...even in Islamic country? Is losing fatherhood really that bad? I mean new generation boys learn very well that their role as parent is not that valued and if the government can provide programs for the children and the mother couldn't do it..why not?

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[fschmidt]

So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.

Meaning homeschooling your kids? That is what I did. A religious private school is another option. No reasonable person would send their kids to government schools, so I couldn't care less what they teach in government schools.

[anatolian]

Salaam

Ideally it should be parents, (relatives, wider community) teaching the basics to their child within an Islamic framework. I wouldnt trust the government given its record of disregarding parents wishes, concerns (which is the video talks about). They are more interested in their 'social engineering' projects. We can see the results.

So Much for 'Father's Day' - in a Country Where Fatherhood is Dying Out

So no I'd rather take responsiblity as a parent than pass it on to the government.

Wa Salam. Could you expand the bolted part more? Have you ever tried to teach your children how the sexual intercourse is made? Ofcourse it is theorically possible but I guess the number of parents who could do it professionally is not high.

Social engineering is always done by the governments everywhere not only in this case. The question is whether it is for a good and acceptable purpose. As I said the content should be kept wihtin the scientific boundaries. Islam does/can not contradict with science.

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Salaam

Meaning homeschooling your kids? That is what I did. A religious private school is another option. No reasonable person would send their kids to government schools, so I couldn't care less what they teach in government schools.

Yes its not ideal but its a good idea. I think its important take a pro active role in educating their kids rather than leave it in the hands of the state. We all know what the state is capable of.

Syria, Gaza and the Criminalisation of Islam

I now understand why many Americans have a wary attitude towards state power.

British perspective.

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This man was NOT popular with the teaching profession during his time but his predictions have been largely proven right.

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Class War&' (2002) was Chris Woodhead's verdict on the systemic failures within the British Education system and a bold agenda for reform. 'A Desolation of Learning' is a retrospective on the 8 years since he resigned as Chief Inspector of Schools amidst a flurry of controversy over his views on the importance of a strong and politically independent schools inspectorate. - Are our schools any better? - Have standards improved? - What are the key areas he would target for reform today?

Woodhead argues that the Labour administration has wrongly shaped expectations and policy based on a misguided and questionable vision of a social utopia and a misguided linking of educational attainment and economic well-being. Political pressure has resulted in the emasculation of organisations like OfSTED and the National College for School Leadership, whose remit is reduced to peddling ministerial enthusiasms.

Woodhead argues that we need: 1) independent school headteachers to assert their independence; 2) the Conservative party to find its voice and generate momentum for change; 3) schools to be free of bureaucratic constraint, and parents to be empowered, via the implementation of a voucher scheme, so that a genuine educational market may be established in Britain.

Wa Salam. Could you expand the bolted part more? Have you ever tried to teach your children how the sexual intercourse is made? Ofcourse it is theorically possible but I guess the number of parents who could do it professionally is not high.

Social engineering is always done by the governments everywhere not only in this case. The question is whether it is for a good and acceptable purpose. As I said the content should be kept wihtin the scientific boundaries. Islam does/can not contradict with science.

Yes whats so hard about it? Its a parental responsiblity, better you teach it than some random stranger, there are plenty of good teaching materials out there. And what makes you think teachers can do a better job? (I remember it, one session and that was that, guess it could of been worse).

And no Id rather the state stay away from 'social engineering' for a glorious 'utopia' (now they want to target sex education at primary children) and instead focus on the job of governing.

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Salaam

Surprise surprise!

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The teacher reveals that all the various gender, sexuality and sexual orientation flags are taught in PSHE (Personal, Social & Health Education) lessons for 11 year olds. This means teaching children about obscure and complex so-called sexualities such as "demisexuals". There are formal lessons where children are given worksheets and powerpoint presentations about these types of gender & sexual identities and then asked to grapple with these complex and confusing ideas. Children are being forced to engage with concepts they wouldn't normally encounter, and on a level they don't need to.

Even more worryingly, the narrative isn't "if you're gay or trans you are normal and just the same as everyone else". The narrative is: "if you're gay or trans you are fundamentally better than others". Not surprisingly, therefore, the teacher also reveals that amongst the pupils, the more extreme the identity the cooler the person. Those who use the same pronouns as their biological sex felt awkward that they weren't using the "cooler" pronouns.

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And ofc the wider point.

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Salaam

Wide ranging talk about the state of the British education system.

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Peter Hitchens returns to our #SWYSI sofa to discuss his new book: "A Revolution Betrayed: How Egalitarians Wrecked the British Education System", which also provides an in-depth look at what will happen if things don't change radically.

There are few subjects that cause parents more stress than the education of their children. Peter Hitchens describes the misjudgements made by politicians over the years that have led to the increase of class distinction and privilege in our education system. This is of course the opposite of what was intended.

Given that the cost of private secondary education is now in the region of £200,000 and the cream of Comprehensive Schools are now oversubscribed, parents are spending thousands on private tutoring and fee-paying prep schools in order to get their children into these academically excellent schools. Meanwhile hypocritical Labour politicians like Diane Abbott send their children to expensive private day schools. So, what alternatives - if any - are there?

Peter Hitchens argues that in trying to bring about an educational system which is egalitarian, the politicians have created a system which is the exact opposite. And what's more, it is a system riddled with anomalies - Sixth Form Colleges select pupils on ability at the age of 15, which rules out any child who does not have major educational backing from home (heavy involvement by working parents or private tutors, for example) and academies also are selective, though they pretend not to be.