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Nitro Zeus
03-22-2019, 09:20 PM
There are some people who do not allow women to work and they claim that it is the religion who prohibits that.

In start, I thought that they are Shia Muslims who says that, or maybe it is their ignorance? I don't know, because in my opinion, women can work anywhere whether as police officers, as scientists, as medical officers, as soldiers, as teachers, as psychiatrists, as therapists etc... Because based on my knowledge, I haven't found any verse which suggest this prohibition nor a narration. Ok, so maybe I am wrong and I haven't fully paid attention to it.

Can you please tell me if they can work as I mentioned above?

The reason I ask this is because, today my Christian mom took me by her will to a Christian psychiatrist and I had many topics with her to discuss, and I have asked her if she can try to find a Sunni Muslim female psychiatrist in Bucharest, and she has agreed and she will try to find because I like to have discussions with her about my personal issues and I want to consult with her to see whether or no what I is ok or not ok in Islamic point of view, because I can trust only a Sunni Muslim not on Shia(misguided one) or on Sufi(don't know what it is) but on Sunni(guided one).

And I had also prayed today night prayer and I have asked God To ease her work in finding that Sunni Muslim as I described because I never talk to and I wish to have a chance to talk to. Because, I have many Islamic questions which worries me and I need to ease my worries, and some are really my personal problems which I can't just talk to anyone about it.

So, my question is: does Islam really allows women to work just like men work? I mean, do women have rights just like men have such as acquiring a job she wishes? Because I don't want to make a haram supplication.
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xboxisdead
03-23-2019, 02:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus
There are some people who do not allow women to work and they claim that it is the religion who prohibits that.

In start, I thought that they are Shia Muslims who says that, or maybe it is their ignorance? I don't know, because in my opinion, women can work anywhere whether as police officers, as scientists, as medical officers, as soldiers, as teachers, as psychiatrists, as therapists etc... Because based on my knowledge, I haven't found any verse which suggest this prohibition nor a narration. Ok, so maybe I am wrong and I haven't fully paid attention to it.

Can you please tell me if they can work as I mentioned above?

The reason I ask this is because, today my Christian mom took me by her will to a Christian psychiatrist and I had many topics with her to discuss, and I have asked her if she can try to find a Sunni Muslim female psychiatrist in Bucharest, and she has agreed and she will try to find because I like to have discussions with her about my personal issues and I want to consult with her to see whether or no what I is ok or not ok in Islamic point of view, because I can trust only a Sunni Muslim not on Shia(misguided one) or on Sufi(don't know what it is) but on Sunni(guided one).

And I had also prayed today night prayer and I have asked God To ease her work in finding that Sunni Muslim as I described because I never talk to and I wish to have a chance to talk to. Because, I have many Islamic questions which worries me and I need to ease my worries, and some are really my personal problems which I can't just talk to anyone about it.

So, my question is: does Islam really allows women to work just like men work? I mean, do women have rights just like men have such as acquiring a job she wishes? Because I don't want to make a haram supplication.
Ok. Women are allowed to work in Islam (in fact the prophet peace be upon him clearly stated that a hand that does not work deserves to be cut). So yes, Muslim women are allowed to work. I just have one question to ask you. Why do you need a female psychiatrist? What is wrong with a male psychiatrist? You are not comfortable with a male psychiatrist?
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xboxisdead
03-23-2019, 02:09 AM
I am not understanding why you are in a predicament when there are lots of male therapists (Muslims at that) to help you with Islamic questions or even sheikhs or scholars in mosques who you can go to..to ease your issues and ask all your Islamic questions.
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*charisma*
03-23-2019, 12:00 PM
Assalamu Alaikum

format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus
There are some people who do not allow women to work and they claim that it is the religion who prohibits that.

In start, I thought that they are Shia Muslims who says that, or maybe it is their ignorance? I don't know, because in my opinion, women can work anywhere whether as police officers, as scientists, as medical officers, as soldiers, as teachers, as psychiatrists, as therapists etc... Because based on my knowledge, I haven't found any verse which suggest this prohibition nor a narration. Ok, so maybe I am wrong and I haven't fully paid attention to it.

Can you please tell me if they can work as I mentioned above?

The reason I ask this is because, today my Christian mom took me by her will to a Christian psychiatrist and I had many topics with her to discuss, and I have asked her if she can try to find a Sunni Muslim female psychiatrist in Bucharest, and she has agreed and she will try to find because I like to have discussions with her about my personal issues and I want to consult with her to see whether or no what I is ok or not ok in Islamic point of view, because I can trust only a Sunni Muslim not on Shia(misguided one) or on Sufi(don't know what it is) but on Sunni(guided one).

And I had also prayed today night prayer and I have asked God To ease her work in finding that Sunni Muslim as I described because I never talk to and I wish to have a chance to talk to. Because, I have many Islamic questions which worries me and I need to ease my worries, and some are really my personal problems which I can't just talk to anyone about it.

So, my question is: does Islam really allows women to work just like men work? I mean, do women have rights just like men have such as acquiring a job she wishes? Because I don't want to make a haram supplication.
Yes women can work the same jobs as men, but both men and women have to observe their modesty during work. It is also best that men and women are working separate from each other so that nothing haram can take place. Women shouldn't take jobs where the majority of the workers are men, but there's nothing that says women can't work the same jobs if the conditions are in their favor.

You should make du'a that Allah eases your affairs.
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Nitro Zeus
03-23-2019, 01:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*
Assalamu Alaikum



Yes women can work the same jobs as men, but both men and women have to observe their modesty during work. It is also best that men and women are working separate from each other so that nothing haram can take place. Women shouldn't take jobs where the majority of the workers are men, but there's nothing that says women can't work the same jobs if the conditions are in their favor.

You should make du'a that Allah eases your affairs.
What about in NASA? Or as teachers where there are boys and girls mixed together? Is that allowed for her to be a teacher there?

What does it mean in Islam the word "affairs"?
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*charisma*
03-23-2019, 04:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus
What about in NASA? Or as teachers where there are boys and girls mixed together? Is that allowed for her to be a teacher there?

What does it mean in Islam the word "affairs"?
As I said before, as long as the job doesn't involve anything haram, it is ok to do, so it just depends on what the role of the job is. For example, she can teach boys and girls, but it is better if the boys are younger (before puberty) or only girls. It would be the same for male teacher too (ie. it would be better for him to teach just boys). Otherwise, both need to maintain their modesty and remain professional and not do anything that would displease Allah, even if they were working at NASA or any other organization/job.
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Nitro Zeus
03-23-2019, 06:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
I am not understanding why you are in a predicament when there are lots of male therapists (Muslims at that) to help you with Islamic questions or even sheikhs or scholars in mosques who you can go to..to ease your issues and ask all your Islamic questions.
Yes but those sheiks from Mosques are far away from my home, but maybe tomorrow I will try to go.
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MazharShafiq
03-24-2019, 08:58 AM
Islam is commanded women to stay in the house. without any compulsion woman is not permitted to leave the house's functionality - and if there is a need for compulsion and intention then women are allowed to work outside the house or not.
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Nájlá
03-24-2019, 07:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
Ok. Women are allowed to work in Islam (in fact the prophet peace be upon him clearly stated that a hand that does not work deserves to be cut).
A hand that does not work deserves to be cut applies to men not women. Women do not have to work, as men are the providers of the home not the women. Yes a woman is allowed to work. Alhamdulillah for Islam, but if she stays in the home and raises her children there isn't wrong with that.
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AbdurRahman.
03-24-2019, 07:26 PM
A woman should stay at home if husband can earn enough to meet family's basic needs.

However in the West there might be a different ruling due to differences in culture and law
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azc
03-24-2019, 07:42 PM
https://islamqa.org/hanafi/askmufti/...0%2C6277197412
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Nitro Zeus
03-24-2019, 07:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
What is the wisdom that a female cannot work and a male must work? Why can't both work any time?
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azc
03-24-2019, 09:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus
What is the wisdom that a female cannot work and a male must work? Why can't both work any time?
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5039...0%2C7986050466

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When you are earning good amount of money then I don't see any wisdom in sending your wife/sister/daughter for job with non mehram.
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xboxisdead
03-25-2019, 12:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nájlá
A hand that does not work deserves to be cut applies to men not women. Women do not have to work, as men are the providers of the home not the women. Yes a woman is allowed to work. Alhamdulillah for Islam, but if she stays in the home and raises her children there isn't wrong with that.
Sister...unlike the women here in Canada and USA and the land of the West and anyone who declare herself or himself a feminist ....I GLORIFY ALLAH (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) for creating the gender difference and for setting the rules...and for giving the male sex a purpose and role!! :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: I would gladly have my hands cut off for not working if it came from the lips of prophet peace be upon him! Al-hamdolillah I am working! Al-hamdolillah I am working!

ALLAH AKBUR! Al-Hamdolillah I am a Muslim! Al-hamdolillah I am a muslim! Al-hamdillah I am Muslim!!
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MazharShafiq
03-25-2019, 10:20 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
A woman should stay at home if husband can earn enough to meet family's basic needs.

However in the West there might be a different ruling due to differences in culture and law
yes it is all right I agreed with you.
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azc
03-25-2019, 10:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
A woman should stay at home if husband can earn enough to meet family's basic needs.

However in the West there might be a different ruling due to differences in culture and law
you mean Islamic ruling for west is different from east....?
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ZeeshanParvez
03-25-2019, 12:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
Ok. Women are allowed to work in Islam (in fact the prophet peace be upon him clearly stated that a hand that does not work deserves to be cut). So yes, Muslim women are allowed to work. I just have one question to ask you. Why do you need a female psychiatrist? What is wrong with a male psychiatrist? You are not comfortable with a male psychiatrist?

Could you provide a reference for where you read that
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Nitro Zeus
03-25-2019, 01:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
Ok. Women are allowed to work in Islam (in fact the prophet peace be upon him clearly stated that a hand that does not work deserves to be cut). So yes, Muslim women are allowed to work. I just have one question to ask you. Why do you need a female psychiatrist? What is wrong with a male psychiatrist? You are not comfortable with a male psychiatrist?
I don't know, because I want to try to see how it is. I wonder, in Mosques do we find sheiks and imams only? Because, this weekend I plan to go to a Mosque.
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ZeeshanParvez
03-25-2019, 02:18 PM
Did the wives of the Companions (may Allaah be pleased with all of them) work?
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AbdurRahman.
03-26-2019, 06:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
you mean Islamic ruling for west is different from east....?
Yes there is a fiqh of minorities that applies in the West so not all rulings from 'back home' applies here:

It is not unlawful for a woman to work, whether she needs to work or chooses to do so. You have already outlined the conditions under which it is permissible for a woman to work:

1. The work is halal.
2. The environment is safe.
3. She observes Islamic etiquette.

Those who say that it is unlawful for women to work outside the home may be taking that position in recognition of certain forces or anxieties specific to that culture.

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2010/...proper-limits/

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azc
03-27-2019, 03:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
Yes there is a fiqh of minorities that applies in the West so not all rulings from 'back home' applies here:

It is not unlawful for a woman to work, whether she needs to work or chooses to do so. You have already outlined the conditions under which it is permissible for a woman to work:

1. The work is halal.
2. The environment is safe.
3. She observes Islamic etiquette.

Those who say that it is unlawful for women to work outside the home may be taking that position in recognition of certain forces or anxieties specific to that culture.

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2010/...proper-limits/

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Islamic teachings are applied to all Muslims equally regardless of which part of the world they live in. Islamic teachings aren't subjected to specific culture or society.

I don't have any evidence/precedent from seerah of prophet :saws: or seerah of sahaba :ra: that they ever permitted or encouraged their wives to work outside of their homes.

Is the husband not able to earn money to give a comfortable life to his family..?

Then what's the need of seeking any leeway for wife to work with non mehram...?

However, in gyneocolgy Muslim female doctors are required. Reason is obvious and self explanatory.
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AbdurRahman.
03-27-2019, 09:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Islamic teachings are applied to all Muslims equally regardless of which part of the world they live in. Islamic teachings aren't subjected to specific culture or society.

I don't have any evidence/precedent from seerah of prophet :saws: or seerah of sahaba :ra: that they ever permitted or encouraged their wives to work outside of their homes.

Is the husband not able to earn money to give a comfortable life to his family..?

Then what's the need of seeking any leeway for wife to work with non mehram...?

However, in gyneocolgy Muslim female doctors are required. Reason is obvious and self explanatory.
There is a fiqh of minorities (fiqh al aqaliyat) that ahlus sunnah scholars specialise in so it's according to Islam. Shaykh Abdullah ibn bayyah is one of those specialists and he is a well renouned authority amongst Scholars; see:

http://www.virtualmosque.com/islam-s...ah-bin-bayyah/

https://youtu.be/kF63PHF4lmw

In many cases it's just a matter of difference of opinion within the same madhab and this ruling could be one of them

What you say is correct regarding fard matters but not all fiqhy matters

There is a difference of opinion between salafi's and madhabis as to how to go about learning Islam and there is a consensus amongst the latter that taqleed (accepting what the reliable Scholars say without them having to provide evidence) is the way for laymen and that fatwa was approved by well renouned Hanafi Shaykh Faraz Rabbani so we can accept it on trust.

the fatwa notes that one of the condition of women working is to maintain hijab and no free mixing thus it's not allowing to work with non-Mahram and any unavoidable participation with non-mahram will be strictly on a necessity and and minimal contact basis:

Question: I would like to know if women are allowed to work in environments where they will have to interact with men if they dress and interact modestly and limits interaction with the opposite gender as much as possible? ....


A. You have already outlined the conditions under which it is permissible for a woman to work:

1. The work is halal.
2. The environment is safe.
3. She observes Islamic etiquette.

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2010/...proper-limits/
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azc
03-27-2019, 10:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
There is a fiqh of minorities (fiqh al aqaliyat) that ahlus sunnah scholars specialise in so it's according to Islam. Shaykh Abdullah ibn bayyah is one of those specialists and he is a well renouned authority amongst Scholars; see:

http://www.virtualmosque.com/islam-s...ah-bin-bayyah/

https://youtu.be/kF63PHF4lmw

In many cases it's just a matter of difference of opinion within the same madhab and this ruling could be one of them

What you say is correct regarding fard matters but not all fiqhy matters

There is a difference of opinion between salafi's and madhabis as to how to go about learning Islam and there is a consensus amongst the latter that taqleed (accepting what the reliable Scholars say without them having to provide evidence) is the way for laymen and that fatwa was approved by well renouned Hanafi Shaykh Faraz Rabbani so we can accept it on trust.

the fatwa notes that one of the condition of women working is to maintain hijab and no free mixing thus it's not allowing to work with non-Mahram and any unavoidable participation with non-mahram will be strictly on a necessity and and minimal contact basis:

Question: I would like to know if women are allowed to work in environments where they will have to interact with men if they dress and interact modestly and limits interaction with the opposite gender as much as possible? ....


A. You have already outlined the conditions under which it is permissible for a woman to work:

1. The work is halal.
2. The environment is safe.
3. She observes Islamic etiquette.

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2010/...proper-limits/
1: Would you quote this permission from adilla e shariah...?

2: Concerning fiqh aqliat, what the muqees alaih (quranic verse or hadith or consensus of sahaba :ra: ) is for this permission..?
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AbdurRahman.
03-28-2019, 11:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
1: Would you quote this permission from adilla e shariah...?

2: Concerning fiqh aqliat, what the muqees alaih (quranic verse or hadith or consensus of sahaba :ra: ) is for this permission..?

How is it possible that the ruling of Allah could vary from place to place?

One scholarly answer is found in the Islamic legal concept of darura or "vital interest" that sometimes affects the shari'a rulings otherwise normally in force. Although the fundamental basis of Islamic law is that it is valid for all times and places, Allah Most High, in His divine wisdom, stipulates in Surat al-Hajj that "He has not placed any hardship upon you in religion" (Qur'an 22:78).

Now, the beginning of this verse is an exhortation to fight as hard as one should in jihad, which will normally result in the death of some of the combatants, a considerable hardship, but necessary to protect the religion and interests of the community as a whole. So the verse does not mean there will be no hardship in the religion at all, but rather lifts the hardship of things which are beyond the Muslims strength, which, if they were continually to bear them, would result in harm to vital interests such as their religion, persons, or property.

This means that for Muslims living as minorities, as well as for others, exceptional shari'a rulings may sometimes be effected when not to effect such exceptions from the normal rulings would vitiate a darura or "vital interest". Among the interests usually enumerated as vital in the science of usul al-fiqh or "bases of jurisprudence" are five: one's religion (din), person (nafs), having Among the interests usually enumerated as vital in the science of usul al-fiqh or "bases of jurisprudence" are five: one's religion (din), person (nafs), having offspring (nasl), property (mal), or reason (aql). The effect of shari'a rulings upon these vital interests in particular circumstances could conceivably differ in lands of Muslim minorities from those of Muslim majorities.

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/fiqh.htm
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ZeeshanParvez
03-28-2019, 12:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz
Yes there is a fiqh of minorities that applies in the West so not all rulings from 'back home' applies here:

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فقه الأقليات does not consist of following dispensations and minority shaadha opinions.
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AbdurRahman.
03-28-2019, 04:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
فقه الأقليات does not consist of following dispensations and minority shaadha opinions.
Did you read that link I gave above?

After that if there's any doubt left, here's another 2:


https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=5895

http://www.virtualmosque.com/islam-s...ah-bin-bayyah/

that should clarify it. Sometimes it won't say, 'that particular ruling can be done too' but that's a matter of putting 2 +2 together.

Regarding women working in west opinion, this could be just a difference of opinion rather then fiqh al aqalaiyat, and here's a load of evidence of how differences of opinions are allowed in Islam as long as they're reached by a ahlus sunnah mujtahid Imam:

https://islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/29635

And here's another fatwa, this time approved by a hardliner deobandi Scholar
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ZeeshanParvez
03-28-2019, 04:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz


Regarding women working in west opinion, this could be just a difference of opinion rather then fiqh al aqalaiyat,
You should have said that because it is a difference of opinion and not فقه الأقليات

And as per the hadith, there is always a correct opinion and an incorrect opinion.

That is why the hadith also says that the one who gets the correct opinion gets two rewards.
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AbdurRahman.
03-28-2019, 04:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
You should have said that because it is a difference of opinion and not فقه الأقليات

And as per the hadith, there is always a correct opinion and an incorrect opinion.

That is why the hadith also says that the one who gets the correct opinion gets two rewards.
I did say it probably a difference of opinion, see my first reply to @azc
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azc
03-28-2019, 06:41 PM
@AbdullahAziz :

Fiqh of aqalliyyat is basically related to abiding by law of the land and theory of co-existence with majority community based on compatibility and amiability.

Despite this leeway preponderance aspect of every issue should be preferred to non preponderance.

But I could not find 'permission for women working with non mehram' included in fiqh of aqalliyyat.
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