It is halal to wish to die at young age and not to live long?

[Nitro Zeus]

I just realized that at age of 90, my family will be gone and only remained is my Christian sister which is not enough for me. And so, I got scared because I don't like to no longer have them around me so I come up with a idea which I would like to consult with you and see whether it is halal or not. This is the prayer I would like to consult with you:

"O Allah! Make me die young and with shahada on my lips because I don't like to live long live, it is scary. I want to see myself in my death bed my whole family not by myself and my sister but whole family. I wish to have someone beside me to request me to recite shahada at my death time not to be alone. Because, I don't know what will happen to me after I die my Lord. I wish to see my Muslim aunt next beside me and my Muslim uncle beside me while making this request to me, this is my dream"

So, is my intention ok in Islamic point of view? Will that wish be granted? Because, I want my death be at youth age while my family are alive not when I'll left alone probably who knows? Maybe I will have a polytheistic or atheistic family, don't know and I want my actual family, I'm scared of the future.

[azc]

Instead, you do this dua.

''O Allah :swt: raise my family with me on judgement day amongst the righteous people''

[xboxisdead]

Instead, you do this dua.

''O Allah :swt: raise my family with me on judgement day amongst the righteous people''

:statisfie :statisfie

[Nitro Zeus]

Instead, you do this dua.

''O Allah :swt: raise my family with me on judgement day amongst the righteous people''

Does that mean that if I recite this Dua, and put trust in God then on that Day my family will be with righteous people?

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[Bmh2019]

I like your question

[azc]

If your dua is accepted then :ia: they will be blessed with eeman and :ia: will die as Muslims

[Nitro Zeus]

If your dua is accepted then :ia: they will be blessed with eeman and :ia: will die as Muslims

Ok, what are the ways for me to work so that God will accept my prayer? Because, I want to meet them again in Paradise. And my Christian grandfather died while being unaware of Islam. Is there anything I can do so that God will Cause him on the day of judgment to accept Islam including his parents? Because, I want to meet even him in Paradise again.

[ardianto]

Assalamualaikum

"O Allah! Make me die young and with shahada on my lips because I don't like to live long live,

From Abu Hurairah: "Let no one expect death and do not pray to die before the time comes." [HR Muslim]

From Anas Ibn Malik: "If not because I heard Rasulullah sallallaahu‘ alaihi wa sallam forbade us to pray asking for death, surely I would ask for it. "[HR Bukhari]

There are also few other hadiths that forbid a Muslim from asking for death before the appointed time to die comes.

We don't know when we will die. And you also don't know when you will die. If you are actually destined to live long, but you wish to die at a young age, then actually this is a wishing that forbidden, based on those hadith.

[Bmh2019]

Very interesting question

I too would like to meet all my family members in paradise too.

[Nitro Zeus]

Assalamualaikum


From Abu Hurairah: "Let no one expect death and do not pray to die before the time comes." [HR Muslim]

From Anas Ibn Malik: "If not because I heard Rasulullah sallallaahu‘ alaihi wa sallam forbade us to pray asking for death, surely I would ask for it. "[HR Bukhari]

There are also few other hadiths that forbid a Muslim from asking for death before the appointed time to die comes.

We don't know when we will die. And you also don't know when you will die. If you are actually destined to live long, but you wish to die at a young age, then actually this is a wishing that forbidden, based on those hadith.

Then that's mean I would feel very lonely and I would not have anyone with me if I were to live long life and that would be scary. I don't like future.

[bint e aisha]

Assalamu alaikum

This world is a prison but still long life is a blessing, we have several ahadith which state this. If you live long, you will get the chance to worship Allah ta'ala more. You will see more Ramadhan, more Salah and the opportunity to perform other ibaadat as well.

Following is taken from islamqa.info

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The best of people is the one who lives long and does good.” Narrated by Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi, 110; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Glad tidings to the one who lives long and does good.” Narrated by al-Tabaraani and Abu Na’eem, classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3928.

Ahmad (8195) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: Two men became Muslim with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). One of them was martyred, and the other remained for another year. Talhah ibn ‘Ubayd-Allaah said: I was shown Paradise (in a dream), and in it I saw that the one who was delayed was admitted before the martyr. I was surprised by that, so the next morning I told the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about that. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Did he not fast Ramadaan after he was gone, and pray six thousand rak’ahs, or such and such a number of rak'ahs, the prayers of one year?” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2591. al-‘Ajlooni said in Kashf al-Khafa’: its isnaad is hasan.

A man said: “O Messenger of Allaah, which of the people is best?” He said: “The one who lives long and does good.” He said: “Which of the people is worst?” He said: “The one who lives long and does evil.” Narrated by Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi, 2330; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

Al-Teebi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Time is like the capital of a businessman, and it should be invested in such a way as to make a profit. The greater the capital, the greater the profit. Whoever benefits from his life by doing good deeds will succeed and prosper, but whoever wastes his capital and does not prosper will evidently lose out. End quote.

Hence it was said to one of the salaf: Death is a good thing.

He said: O son of my brother, do not do that, for an hour of life in which you ask Allaah for forgiveness is better for you than an eternity of death.

It was said to an old man among them: Would you not like to die? He said: No, for youth and its evil have gone, and old age and its goodness have come. When I get up, I say Bismillaah (in the name of Allaah), and when I sit I say Al-hamdu Lillaah (praise be to Allaah), and I would like this to continue.

Many of the salaf would weep when they were dying, in sorrow for the cessation of their righteous deeds.

Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade wishing for death, because it deprives the believer of the goodness of obedience and the joy of worship, and of the opportunity to repent and make up for what one has missed.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one of you should wish for death or pray for it before it comes, for when one of you dies, his good deeds come to an end and for the believer a long life will not increase him in anything but good.” Narrated by Muslim, 2682

So he mentioned the prohibition of wishing for death alongside the prohibition on praying for one's own death.

A version narrated by al-Bukhaari says: “No one of you should wish for death. Either he is a doer of good and will do more, or he is a doer of evil but perhaps he may stop.”

Al-Nawawi said: This hadeeth clearly indicates that it is makrooh to wish for death because of some harm that has befallen one, such as loss or distress caused by an enemy, or other such hardships of this world. But if a person fears harm or fitnah with regard to his religious commitment, it is not makrooh to wish for death, according to this hadeeth, and several of the salaf did that.

There is another reason why wishing for death is not allowed:

The throes of death are very hard, and the terror of seeing one's end draw nigh is immense. Man is faced with nothing else like it. Moreover, no one knows what awaits him after death. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound. Wishing for death is seeking something which is unknown. Perhaps if he wishes for death because of some hardship that he has fallen into, he may end up like one who jumps out of the frying pan and into the fire, and after death he may find himself in an even worse situation. In that case, wishing for death is akin to seeking to hasten calamity before it happens. No wise man should do that, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not wish to meet the enemy, and ask Allaah to keep you safe and sound.” (Agreed upon). A hadeeth to this effect has been narrated, but it is da’eef (weak).

It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not wish for death, for the terror that follows death is immense. It is a sign of blessing to live long and be guided by Allaah to repent.” Narrated by Ahmad; classed as da’eef by al-Albaani in Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth al-Da’eefah, 885.

[azc]

Ok, what are the ways for me to work so that God will accept my prayer? Because, I want to meet them again in Paradise. And my Christian grandfather died while being unaware of Islam. Is there anything I can do so that God will Cause him on the day of judgment to accept Islam including his parents? Because, I want to meet even him in Paradise again.

Keep on doing dua of hidaya for your mother, sister and other relatives who do you love.

About forefathers:

* if someone died on kufr his abode is hell
* if someone couldn't get the msg of Islam in his whole life, according to some scholars he's amongst the people of araf and oneday these people will be entered in heaven.
* some scholars are of opinion that one day hell will come to an end and all the dwellers of hell will go to heaven

[ZeeshanParvez]

'Abdur-Rahman bin Abi-Bakrah narrated from his father that a man said:


"O Messenger of Allah! Which of the people is the best?" He said: "He whose life is long and his deeds are good." He said: "Then which of the people is the worst?" He said: "He whose life is long and his deeds are bad."

Jaami al-Tirmidhi Hadiith No. 2330



It was narrated from Talhah bin ‘Ubaidullah that two men from Bali came to the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam). They had become Muslim together, but one of them used to strive harder than the other. The one who used to strive harder went out to fight and was martyred. The other one stayed for a year longer, then he passed away. Talhah said:


“I saw in a dream that I was at the gate of Paradise and I saw them (those two men). Someone came out of Paradise and admitted the one who had died last, then he came out and admitted the one who had been martyred. Then he came back to me and said: ‘Go back, for your time has not yet come.’” The next morning, Talhah told the people of that and they were amazed. News of that reached the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) and they told him the story. He said: “Why are you so amazed at that?” They said: “O Messenger of Allah, the first one was the one who strove harder, then he was martyred, but the other one was admitted to Paradise before him. The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: “Did he not stay behind for a year?” They said: “Yes.” He said: “And did not Ramadan come and he fasted, and he offered such and such prayers during that year?” They said: “Yes.” The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: “The difference between them is greater than the difference between heaven and earth.”

Sunan Ibn Maajah Hadiith No. 3925

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Then that's mean I would feel very lonely and I would not have anyone with me if I were to live long life and that would be scary. I don't like future.

That is selfish. How would those who love you feel if you died. You are thinking how you would be and not how they would feel seeing you die.

Additionally, the best is the one who has a long life and good deeds.

Make dua Allaah gives you a long life filled with good deeds and then when you die you die an easy death saying the shahadah. That is the dua you need to make.

[Bmh2019]

What about when current getting thriugh life day to day is too frustrating, therefore a person is tuck in this life and cannot escape the situation as no help or rescue from Allah
, yet forbidden to pray for death. What a catch 22 situation aa human is traped in?

[Nitro Zeus]

'Abdur-Rahman bin Abi-Bakrah narrated from his father that a man said:


"O Messenger of Allah! Which of the people is the best?" He said: "He whose life is long and his deeds are good." He said: "Then which of the people is the worst?" He said: "He whose life is long and his deeds are bad."

Jaami al-Tirmidhi Hadiith No. 2330



It was narrated from Talhah bin ‘Ubaidullah that two men from Bali came to the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam). They had become Muslim together, but one of them used to strive harder than the other. The one who used to strive harder went out to fight and was martyred. The other one stayed for a year longer, then he passed away. Talhah said:


“I saw in a dream that I was at the gate of Paradise and I saw them (those two men). Someone came out of Paradise and admitted the one who had died last, then he came out and admitted the one who had been martyred. Then he came back to me and said: ‘Go back, for your time has not yet come.’” The next morning, Talhah told the people of that and they were amazed. News of that reached the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) and they told him the story. He said: “Why are you so amazed at that?” They said: “O Messenger of Allah, the first one was the one who strove harder, then he was martyred, but the other one was admitted to Paradise before him. The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: “Did he not stay behind for a year?” They said: “Yes.” He said: “And did not Ramadan come and he fasted, and he offered such and such prayers during that year?” They said: “Yes.” The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: “The difference between them is greater than the difference between heaven and earth.”

Sunan Ibn Maajah Hadiith No. 3925

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That is selfish. How would those who love you feel if you died. You are thinking how you would be and not how they would feel seeing you die.

Additionally, the best is the one who has a long life and good deeds.

Make dua Allaah gives you a long life filled with good deeds and then when you die you die an easy death saying the shahadah. That is the dua you need to make.

So you're saying that I can ask God To increase my life span? Then, may I ask you where is the proof for that? So that I can start making Dua. This would be awesome to have long life because I could see many cool things I haven't seen or visited and more time to do right things such as praying and do virtues.

[xboxisdead]

Keep on doing dua of hidaya for your mother, sister and other relatives who do you love.

About forefathers:

* if someone died on kufr his abode is hell
* if someone couldn't get the msg of Islam in his whole life, according to some scholars he's amongst the people of araf and oneday these people will be entered in heaven.
* some scholars are of opinion that one day hell will come to an end and all the dwellers of hell will go to heaven

That is wrong. I do not believe those scholars.

Allah promised forgiveness for all your sins except ONE and that is Shirk or Kufir (disbelieve). It couldn't get any clearer than that. Anyone who dies disbeliever, non-Muslim, Atheist, Mushrik, etc will live eternal hellfire forever to abode. Allah (Subhananu Wa Talaa) even used the word "forever" when he mentions disbelievers in hellfire.

Here is what I know with certainty that hellfire will get hotter and hotter and hotter and hotter (forever and ever and ever) in summer season and colder and colder and colder and colder (forever and ever ever) in winter season. What I know also is that when the weather in hellfire changes it is faster than speed of light when it switches between summer and winter season. There are no clouds like the Earth in hellfire and there are no moon or sun or grass cheppering birds. There is one tree called the Zakuum that have fruits shaped like the heads of devil that the disbelievers will be forced to eat and it will cut their inside and shred them to pieces but will not solve their hunger problem. Hellfire will not disappear and pharaon and criminals and disbelievers and mushriks will rejoice and enter paradise after a certain time. No. They will abode in hellfire forever and eternally...the gate of hellfire will be closed and never be opened again once all the the Muslims and believers with an atom size leave it and enter paradise. Death itself will be killed and the people of paradise will rejoice for they will be forever living in paradise and people of hellfire will be in tears and sadness for they will be forever living in hellfire.

People who have heard of Islam...didn't bother to seek and learn about Islam....and died worshipping Jesus or declare him (authobillah) son of God or believe God is a male or female and worship false Goddesses or worship the stars or worship the anything but Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) and dies in that state...hellfire is their abode eternally. In the day of resurrection they will not be giving a chance to repent. A great example to that is one of the prophets is a friend of Allah (Subhanahu Wa
Talaa). When he will be resurrected and his father comes to his son (the prophet) with his face in darkness with all the punishment he got in the grave and begs his son to talk to Allah to forgive him and when the son (prophet) does, Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) tells him to look behind him and when he dies he finds his father is now a horrible looking animal and that animal is thrown in hellfire. He will live abode in hellfire forever and ever and when the son goes to paradise he will laugh and be happy he is not amongst the people of hellfire (even if he does see his father suffering in front of him). For Allah (Subhananhu Wa Talaa) can remove the sadness in people's heart when they enter paradise.

Please do not take shirk and kufir lightly.

[*charisma*]

* some scholars are of opinion that one day hell will come to an end and all the dwellers of hell will go to heaven

This isn't true, why would you give him false hope?? Stop sugarcoating the religion. The Quran specifically uses the word "abadun" multiple times when referring disbelievers who will abide in hell, which means FOREVER.

[Bmh2019]

Is a fisbeliever a non muslim only or a muslum that disbelieves as there is so many non muslims whom would gonto hell for not grasping islam in todays world of religious confusion

[*charisma*]

Is a fisbeliever a non muslim only or a muslum that disbelieves as there is so many non muslims whom would gonto hell for not grasping islam in todays world of religious confusion

Both.

[azc]

This isn't true, why would you give him false hope?? Stop sugarcoating the religion. The Quran specifically uses the word "abadun" multiple times when referring disbelievers who will abide in hell, which means FOREVER.

https://rasoolurrahmah.wordpress.com...0%2C7057109462

[AbdurRahman.]

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Ibn Taymiyah got it wrong big time bro

There are 2 ways to look at his above view. 1 he could have changed it before he died. 2. Since he was a Scholar we don't say this view is kufr but only a bidah as sincere taweel mitigates it from the level of kufr

In ahlus sunnah, not to believe desbelievers will abide in jahannum eternally is kufr as Quran is very clear that kuffar remain in hell forever:

(1) matters about Islam that everyone knows, which even a child raised among Muslims would know, technically termed ma‘lum min al-din bi d-darura or “necessarily known as being of the religion”;

(2) matters that not everyone knows;

(3) and matters that are disagreed upon even by “those who know,” the ulema or scholars.

Affirmation or denial of tenets of faith within each category vary in their eternal consequences because of their relative accessibility, and the individual’s opportunities to find them out.

Things That Everyone Knows

To deny anything of the first category above constitutes plain and open unbelief.

It includes such things as denying the oneness of Allah, the attributes of prophethood, that prophetic messengerhood has ended with Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace); the resurrection of the dead; the Final Judgement; the recompense; THE EVERLASTINGNESS OF PARADISE AND HELL; ...

Any Muslim who denies something that is necessarily known to be of the religion of Islam is adjudged a renegade and an unbeliever (kafir) unless he is a recent convert or was born and raised in the wilderness or for some similar reason has been unable to learn his religion properly.


https://archive.org/stream/NuhHaMimK...akfir_djvu.txt

[azc]

Ibn Taymiyah got it wrong big time broThere are 2 ways to look at his above view. 1 he could have changed it before he died. 2. Since he was a Scholar we don't say this view is kufr but only a bidah as sincere taweel mitigates it from the level of kufr In ahlus sunnah, not to believe desbelievers will abide in jahannum eternally is kufr as Quran is very clear that kuffar remain in hell forever:(1) matters about Islam that everyone knows, which even a child raised among Muslims would know, technically termed ma‘lum min al-din bi d-darura or “necessarily known as being of the religion”; (2) matters that not everyone knows; (3) and matters that are disagreed upon even by “those who know,” the ulema or scholars. Affirmation or denial of tenets of faith within each category vary in their eternal consequences because of their relative accessibility, and the individual’s opportunities to find them out. Things That Everyone Knows To deny anything of the first category above constitutes plain and open unbelief. It includes such things as denying the oneness of Allah, the attributes of prophethood, that prophetic messengerhood has ended with Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace); the resurrection of the dead; the Final Judgement; the recompense; THE EVERLASTINGNESS OF PARADISE AND HELL; ...Any Muslim who denies something that is necessarily known to be of the religion of Islam is adjudged a renegade and an unbeliever (kafir) unless he is a recent convert or was born and raised in the wilderness or for some similar reason has been unable to learn his religion properly.https://archive.org/stream/NuhHaMimK...akfir_djvu.txt

yes, some of the scholars besides him had this opinion

[ZeeshanParvez]

https://rasoolurrahmah.wordpress.com...0%2C7057109462

You are quite cheeky. I knew from the moment you made your first post this was what you planned all along. But a person who follows the deviated sects, what else can be expected from your likes.

And that is why I never respond to you anymore. You have no idea what you post. You copy paste whatever you find through Google. And you honestly don't have any concrete knowledge.

[Nitro Zeus]

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Oh no, now what to do?! I started to believe in something else. How can I protect my belief?? Is that maybe because the devil knows that I'm too credible and maybe he likes to play with me?? I don't like this life anymore, I don't like even the fact that I was born. I even lost my headset today which was expensive and I feel bad about it, I don't know how I can protect my faith in Islam from lies and disbelief and deception, I don't know how to work myself to gain more strength in my faith. The only thing I do is I pray x5 a day on fixed times, that's all I do. I'm really in big trouble now. Don't take as if I blame you, I blame myself because I'm weak Muslim.

[ZeeshanParvez]

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Now to further highlight your ignorance of the subject. I am going to love this.


What Ibn Taymiyyah wrote in that book is obscure. Here is his clear explicit texts regarding the matter in the other books which azc would obviously not know given his complete inability to thoroughly research a subject.


Ibn Taymiyyah said in الصفدية:

al-Jahm was the first one who made apparent this saying in Islaam and his Qiyaas was that that which has a beginning then that must have an end. Therefore, he said that Paradise and the Fire will end. And this is what the Salaf of the Ummah and the 'a'immah of the Ummah rebuked him for.



He says in his book بيان تلبيس الجهمية

The Salaf of the Ummah are unanimously agreed and so are its 'a'immah and all of the ahl al-Sunnah that from among the creation are those things which will never end in entirety such as Paradise and the Fire, the 'Arsh and other things. No one has said that all of the created things will end except for a group from among the deviants of the scholars of kalaam such as al-Jahm bin Safwaan and those who agreed with them from among the Mu'tazila (majority of whom were Hanafis) and their likes. And this is a baatil saying which opposes the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the His Messenger and the Ijmaa of the Salaf of the Ummah and its 'a'immah.



As usual azc has proven he cannot rsearch a subject but is great at turning this forum into a link farm.

[Nitro Zeus]

Now to further highlight your ignorance of the subject. I am going to love this.


What Ibn Taymiyyah wrote in that book is obscure. Here is his clear explicit texts regarding the matter in the other books which azc would obviously not know given his complete inability to thoroughly research a subject.


Ibn Taymiyyah said in الصفدية:

al-Jahm was the first one who made apparent this saying in Islaam and his Qiyaas was that that which has a beginning then that must have an end. Therefore, he said that Paradise and the Fire will end. And this is what the Salaf of the Ummah and the 'a'immah of the Ummah rebuked him for.



He says in his book بيان تلبيس الجهمية

The Salaf of the Ummah are unanimously agreed and so are its 'a'immah and all of the ahl al-Sunnah that from among the creation are those things which will never end in entirety such as Paradise and the Fire, the 'Arsh and other things. No one has said that all of the created things will end except for a group from among the deviants of the scholars of kalaam such as al-Jahm bin Safwaan and those who agreed with them from among the Mu'tazila (majority of whom were Hanafis) and their likes. And this is a baatil saying which opposes the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the His Messenger and the Ijmaa of the Salaf of the Ummah and its 'a'immah.



As usual azc has proven he cannot rsearch a subject but is great at turning this forum into a link farm.

Then why did God mentioned in Quran that disbelievers will be in Hell for eternity? If that man said so?

[ZeeshanParvez]

Ibn Taymiyah got it wrong big time bro

There are 2 ways to look at his above view. 1 he could have changed it before he died. 2. Since he was a Scholar we don't say this view is kufr but only a bidah as sincere taweel mitigates it from the level of kufr

In ahlus sunnah, not to believe desbelievers will abide in jahannum eternally is kufr as Quran is very clear that kuffar remain in hell forever:

(1) matters about Islam that everyone knows, which even a child raised among Muslims would know, technically termed ma‘lum min al-din bi d-darura or “necessarily known as being of the religion”;

(2) matters that not everyone knows;

(3) and matters that are disagreed upon even by “those who know,” the ulema or scholars.

Affirmation or denial of tenets of faith within each category vary in their eternal consequences because of their relative accessibility, and the individual’s opportunities to find them out.

Things That Everyone Knows

To deny anything of the first category above constitutes plain and open unbelief.

It includes such things as denying the oneness of Allah, the attributes of prophethood, that prophetic messengerhood has ended with Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace); the resurrection of the dead; the Final Judgement; the recompense; THE EVERLASTINGNESS OF PARADISE AND HELL; ...

Any Muslim who denies something that is necessarily known to be of the religion of Islam is adjudged a renegade and an unbeliever (kafir) unless he is a recent convert or was born and raised in the wilderness or for some similar reason has been unable to learn his religion properly.


https://archive.org/stream/NuhHaMimK...akfir_djvu.txt

He didn't get it wrong.

You ppl can't research a subject. You have Google as your Sheikh and copy paste things from those who opposed him and disliked him because he put their deviant Kalaam to waste.

[*charisma*]

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This doesn't prove anything. The quran specifically says forever regardless of anyone's opinion.

[AbdurRahman.]

yes, some of the scholars besides him had this opinion

Yeah but it's very bad bro as if any Muslims are lead to believe that it could mean the ultimate harm for them

[AbdurRahman.]

He didn't get it wrong.

You ppl can't research a subject. You have Google as your Sheikh and copy paste things from those who opposed him and disliked him because he put their deviant Kalaam to waste.

Hey bro, this is very serious because mainstream Scholars say it is kufr to not believe everlastingness of jahannum and Quran says kuffar stay in there forever and punishment will never be lightened for them

I wouldn't just doggedly follow 'scholars' bruv and I'd judge between the view of the majority of Scholars and Ibn Taymiyyah and try to get it right, especially when getting this one wrong can mean a waste of ibadah in this world and jahannum in the next :Emoji29:

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yes, some of the scholars besides him had this opinion

I don't think any other Scholar had this opinion. Some Mujtahid Scholars do have the rare bidah view amongst their generally righteous views, due to the ta'weel (nuanced interpretations) that they do

This view was out of trying to reconcile the idea of Allah being most Merciful and burning in hell the kuffar forever. Many Scholars grappled with this to try and explain how it's just and it's this attempt that lead Ibn Taymiyah to this view.

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ac, my advice is this. Do shahada to renew your imaan (in case and everyone should do renew their shahada everyday if possible and make it a good habit so that if deathbed takes you it would be easier in your tongue to do shahada) , do istigfar (we should do it every day anyways, no harm in doing that) and believe in your heart that any disbelievers will live in hellfire forever.

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This doesn't prove anything. The quran specifically says forever regardless of anyone's opinion.

agree. Their opinion isn't acceptable

[azc]

@ZeeshanParvez :

''Al-Albani is quoted to say:

“Ibn Qayyim has a second opinion according to which Hellfire will never end. Ibn Taymiyya has a book refuting those who say Janna [Paradise] and Jahannam [Hell] will cease to exist. At that time [20 years ago] I thought that Ibn Taymiyya shared this second opinion of Ibn Qayyim. The author al-San`ani, with what he has quoted from Ibn Qayyim, explains that the above mentioned refutation [written by Ibn Taymiyya] is not against those who say Hellfire will end, but it is against the jahmis who say Paradise will cease to exist and he [Ibn Taymiyya] states that Hell will cease to exist. Moreover, he does not state only this, but states also that the people of Hell will enter paradises with rivers flowing under them after Hell ceases to exist.”

Source: Introduction to al-San`ani’s Raf`al-Astar, p. 7.

As-Subki says, in the course of his discussion on this point,

"…I came across the aforementioned book and he mentioned in it three opinions over the Hellfire coming to an end. 1) both Paradise and Hell will end and he said that no one from the salaf held this opinion. 2) that both are eternal. 3) that Paradise remains and Hellfire will come to an end. And he inclined to this position and said that this was the madhab of the Salaf." [‘al-I’tibaar’ (pg. 201)]

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@ZeeshanParvez :

''Al-Albani is quoted to say:

“Ibn Qayyim has a second opinion according to which Hellfire will never end. Ibn Taymiyya has a book refuting those who say Janna [Paradise] and Jahannam [Hell] will cease to exist. At that time [20 years ago] I thought that Ibn Taymiyya shared this second opinion of Ibn Qayyim. The author al-San`ani, with what he has quoted from Ibn Qayyim, explains that the above mentioned refutation [written by Ibn Taymiyya] is not against those who say Hellfire will end, but it is against the jahmis who say Paradise will cease to exist and he [Ibn Taymiyya] states that Hell will cease to exist. Moreover, he does not state only this, but states also that the people of Hell will enter paradises with rivers flowing under them after Hell ceases to exist.”

Source: Introduction to al-San`ani’s Raf`al-Astar, p. 7.

As-Subki says, in the course of his discussion on this point,

"…I came across the aforementioned book and he mentioned in it three opinions over the Hellfire coming to an end. 1) both Paradise and Hell will end and he said that no one from the salaf held this opinion. 2) that both are eternal. 3) that Paradise remains and Hellfire will come to an end. And he inclined to this position and said that this was the madhab of the Salaf." [‘al-I’tibaar’ (pg. 201)]

- Sigh -

Hellfire will exist forever.

Paradise will exist forever.

Human beings will be resurrected in day of judgement and will enter a physical body again (AS MALES for the group of disappointed people who wish mankind be womankind instead with no gender difference and females) and group of people will enter paradise forever and ever and group of people will enter hellfire forever ever since death is forbidden in the afterlife and you will exist and live forever and ever.

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@ZeeshanParvez :

''Al-Albani is quoted to say:

“Ibn Qayyim has a second opinion according to which Hellfire will never end. Ibn Taymiyya has a book refuting those who say Janna [Paradise] and Jahannam [Hell] will cease to exist. At that time [20 years ago] I thought that Ibn Taymiyya shared this second opinion of Ibn Qayyim. The author al-San`ani, with what he has quoted from Ibn Qayyim, explains that the above mentioned refutation [written by Ibn Taymiyya] is not against those who say Hellfire will end, but it is against the jahmis who say Paradise will cease to exist and he [Ibn Taymiyya] states that Hell will cease to exist. Moreover, he does not state only this, but states also that the people of Hell will enter paradises with rivers flowing under them after Hell ceases to exist.”

Source: Introduction to al-San`ani’s Raf`al-Astar, p. 7.

If you are going to quote someone and attempt to use him to prove a point you don't have, at least have the decency to quote in full what he said. Again, that is hard to expect from Googlies who do not even read the book they quote from!


Sheikh al-albaani further says in the same book which you, azc, never read!


ولعل ذلك كان منه إبان طلبه للعلم وقبل توسعه في دراسة الكتاب والسنة وتضلعه بمعرفة الأدلة الشرعية في الوقت الذي كان يحسن الظن بابن عربي الصوفي القائل بأن عذاب الكفار في النار لا يستمر بل ينقلب عليهم إلى عذوبته يتلذذون بها كما في (حادي الأرواح) (2 / 168) فلما تبين له حاله رجع عنه كما تحدث بذلك هو نفسه فقال كما في (مجموع الفتاوى)


(paraphrase) And perhaps that was during his time of seeking knowledge and prior to his study of the Book and the Sunnah becoming vast and his becoming proficient in regards to the understanding of the legislative evidences and was during the time when he had good conjecture of Ibn 'Arabi the Suufi who would say that the torment of the Kaafirs in the Fire will not persist but will turn into sweetness which they will enjoy. And when his (Ibn Arabi's) state became apparent to him (i.e. Ibn Taymiyyah) he made rujuu and made this clear in his Majmuu al-Fataawaa.





What Subki says holds no weight because he was a staunch bigoted enemy of Ibn Taymiyyah. You don't go to ones enemy and ask them about them. You Hanafis cry a river when are reminded that Imaam al-Bukhaari declared Abu hanifah weak in hadiith (along with the majority of the scholars of hadiith) and say no you can't use what they say because they were bigots against him but here you violate your own principle and go running to see what Subki says about Ibn Taymiyyah. What double standards.



My advice to you. Stop quoting the enemies of a person. That is a joke. Read his books. Then, you will know what he said. Quite clearly you haven't read any books you have quoted azc.



You simply copy paste haphazardly from all over the Internet.

It is enough for a man to be declared a liar that he keeps spreading what he hears!


And at this point I would like the audience to contemplate this. The likes of Subki bash Ibn Taymiyyah for what they accuse him of saying but declare Ibn Arabi the greatest Sheikh despite him being known to hold this belief which has been declared by mainstream scholars as Kufr. Double standards at there best.

And once again read the words of Ibn Taymiyyah himself in regards to this matter which I posted earlier and have to re post since you don't read.





Ibn Taymiyyah says in his book بيان تلبيس الجهمية

The Salaf of the Ummah are unanimously agreed and so are its 'a'immah and all of the ahl al-Sunnah that from among the creation are those things which will never end in entirety such as Paradise and the Fire, the 'Arsh and other things. No one has said that all of the created things will end except for a group from among the deviants of the scholars of kalaam such as al-Jahm bin Safwaan and those who agreed with them from among the Mu'tazila (majority of whom were Hanafis) and their likes. And this is a baatil saying which opposes the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the His Messenger and the Ijmaa of the Salaf of the Ummah and its 'a'immah.

[azc]

If you are going to quote someone and attempt to use him to prove a point you don't have, at least have the decency to quote in full what he said. Again, that is hard to expect from Googlies who do not even read the book they quote from!


Sheikh al-albaani further says in the same book which you, azc, never read!


ولعل ذلك كان منه إبان طلبه للعلم وقبل توسعه في دراسة الكتاب والسنة وتضلعه بمعرفة الأدلة الشرعية في الوقت الذي كان يحسن الظن بابن عربي الصوفي القائل بأن عذاب الكفار في النار لا يستمر بل ينقلب عليهم إلى عذوبته يتلذذون بها كما في (حادي الأرواح) (2 / 168) فلما تبين له حاله رجع عنه كما تحدث بذلك هو نفسه فقال كما في (مجموع الفتاوى)


(paraphrase) And perhaps that was during his time of seeking knowledge and prior to his study of the Book and the Sunnah becoming vast and his becoming proficient in regards to the understanding of the legislative evidences and was during the time when he had good conjecture of Ibn 'Arabi the Suufi who would say that the torment of the Kaafirs in the Fire will not persist but will turn into sweetness which they will enjoy. And when his (Ibn Arabi's) state became apparent to him (i.e. Ibn Taymiyyah) he made rujuu and made this clear in his Majmuu al-Fataawaa.





What Subki says holds no weight because he was a staunch bigoted enemy of Ibn Taymiyyah. You don't go to ones enemy and ask them about them. You Hanafis cry a river when are reminded that Imaam al-Bukhaari declared Abu hanifah weak in hadiith (along with the majority of the scholars of hadiith) and say no you can't use what they say because they were bigots against him but here you violate your own principle and go running to see what Subki says about Ibn Taymiyyah. What double standards.



My advice to you. Stop quoting the enemies of a person. That is a joke. Read his books. Then, you will know what he said. Quite clearly you haven't read any books you have quoted azc.



You simply copy paste haphazardly from all over the Internet.

It is enough for a man to be declared a liar that he keeps spreading what he hears!


And at this point I would like the audience to contemplate this. The likes of Subki bash Ibn Taymiyyah for what they accuse him of saying but declare Ibn Arabi the greatest Sheikh despite him being known to hold this belief which has been declared by mainstream scholars as Kufr. Double standards at there best.

And once again read the words of Ibn Taymiyyah himself in regards to this matter which I posted earlier and have to re post since you don't read.





Ibn Taymiyyah says in his book بيان تلبيس الجهمية

The Salaf of the Ummah are unanimously agreed and so are its 'a'immah and all of the ahl al-Sunnah that from among the creation are those things which will never end in entirety such as Paradise and the Fire, the 'Arsh and other things. No one has said that all of the created things will end except for a group from among the deviants of the scholars of kalaam such as al-Jahm bin Safwaan and those who agreed with them from among the Mu'tazila (majority of whom were Hanafis) and their likes. And this is a baatil saying which opposes the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the His Messenger and the Ijmaa of the Salaf of the Ummah and its 'a'immah.

Could it not be possible that after speaking the truth al albani might have tried to defend his imam and what imam subki :rh: said was the correct opinion?

Your anger prove you a worshiper of your imam.

Don't worry I'm not going to defend any scholar or imam, you can do if you wish.

What type of Muslim you are who can display his hatred for hadith of prophet :saws: but he can't tolerate the truth about his scholars.

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Could it not be possible that after speaking the truth al albani might have tried to defend his imam and what imam subki :rh: said was the correct opinion?

Further evidence that you have not read the book but cherry pick quotes from the Internet and post them. Honestly, do the right thing and apologize for the blunder you made. Sheikh al-albaani isn't the type of person who defends anyone other than the Qur'aan and Sunnah.


If you had read his book, instead of copy pasting off the net, you would have known. So, let me educate you as to what he says in the book which shows that he does not defend anyone.


وليس لأحد أن يتبع زلات العلماء كما ليس له أن يتكلم في أهل العلم والإيمان إلا بما هم له أهل فإن الله تعالى عفا عن المؤمنين عما أخطؤوا كما قال تعالى: {ربنا لا تؤاخذنا إن نسينا أو أخطأنا} قال الله: قد فعلت (1) . وأمرنا أن نتبع ما أنزل إلينا من ربنا ولا نتع من دونه أولياء وأمرنا أن لا نطيع مخلوقا في معصية الخالق ونستغفر لإخواننا الذين سبقونا بالإيمان فنقول: {ربنا اغفر لنا ولإخواننا الذين سبقونا بالإيمان}

No one has the right to follow the mistakes of the scholars just like he does not have the right to speak in regards to the scholars except with that which they are the ahl of. For Allaah has forgiven the believers for their mistakes. He says: Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred (Qur'aan 2:286) [And in a hadiith in Sahih Muslim] Allaah says: I have done so. And we have been ordered to follow what has been sent down to us from our Lord and not to follow others and that we do not follow the creation in that in which there is disobedience and that we ask forgiveness for our brothers who have preceded us in faith. He says: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts [any] resentment toward those who have believed [Qur'aan 59:10]


If you had read the book, and not just copy pasted something of a website which lies about Ibn Taymiyyah, you would have known who Sheikh al-albaani really is and that he does not defend anyone.

But you have to read his book to know he does not defend anyone.

Rather, he attempted to understand what Ibn Taymiyyah said and then offered good conjecture about him. He wasn't defending him as you assumed. You assume because you do not read the material. This is what people who do not research a matter correctly do. They assume.


So, here is why he said what he said about Ibn Taymiyyah from his book. If you had read it you would not need to assume. You would have known.

By assuming you even attributed things to Sheikh al-albaani which he never said or meant to do.

Please stop assuming.

Read the book then make comments. Otherwise, don't forget that a man who narrates everything he hears is a liar. Do you want to be a liar?

Sheikh al-albaani says in the book:

وإن مما يمنع توجيه الطعن في ابن تيمية لقوله بفناء النار علاوة على ما ذكرنا آنفا أن له قولا آخر في المسألة وهو عدم فنائها كما سبق بيانه بالنقل عنه. وإذا كنا لا نعلم أي القولين هو المتأخر فمن البدهي أن الطاعن لا بد له من الجزم بأنه هو الأول ودون هذا خرط القتاد وأما نحن فإن حسن الظن الذي أمرنا به يقتضينا بأن نقول: لعله القول الآخر لأنه موافق للإجماع الذي نقله هو نفسه فضلا عن غيره كما تقدم وقد يؤيده هذا أن ابن القيم نقله أيضا كما بق في قصيدته (الكافية الشافية) فالظاهر أنه مات على ذلك لأنها قرئت عليه في آخر حياته فقد ترجمه الحافظ ابن رجب الحنبلي في (طبقاته) وذكر في آخرها ما يشعرنا بذلك فقال

(paraphrase since this forum has had individuals who can't tell the difference between a paraphrase and a translation) And that which stops one from rebuking Ibn Taymiyyah is what we have mentioned earlier that he has another saying in the matter (which I have posted three times but azc refuses to acknowledge or read because it proves him so wrong) which is that the Fire will not end. And when we do not know which of the two sayings of the scholars is the last one then we cannot rebuke him or say with certainty that this is the first. As for us, then we judge by the good conjecture we have been ordered to have which dictates that his last saying was that which is in accordance to the Ijma he himself transmitted let alone anyone else and what further strengthens this is that Ibn al-Qayyim also transmitted it. The zaahir is that he died upon that.



This is why Sheikh al-albaani said what he said about Ibn Taymiyyah azc! Not because he was defending him. He was acting in accordance with the Qur'aan and Sunnah and having good conjecture. But how would you know that since you never bothered to read the book and just copy pasted what someone else chopped and pasted on his website.

Is this academic research or is this an attempt to cherry pick what you like?


And for a third time, let's see what Ibn Taymiyyah explicitly said in the matter.


The Salaf of the Ummah are unanimously agreed and so are its 'a'immah and all of the ahl al-Sunnah that from among the creation are those things which will never end in entirety such as Paradise and the Fire, the 'Arsh and other things. No one has said that all of the created things will end except for a group from among the deviants of the scholars of kalaam such as al-Jahm bin Safwaan and those who agreed with them from among the Mu'tazila (majority of whom were Hanafis) and their likes. And this is a baatil saying which opposes the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the His Messenger and the Ijmaa of the Salaf of the Ummah and its 'a'immah



And on a closing note I did not know you azc also had the talent of judging by someones posts if the person is angry or not

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That is wrong. I do not believe those scholars.

Allah promised forgiveness for all your sins except ONE and that is Shirk or Kufir (disbelieve). It couldn't get any clearer than that. Anyone who dies disbeliever, non-Muslim, Atheist, Mushrik, etc will live eternal hellfire forever to abode. Allah (Subhananu Wa Talaa) even used the word "forever" when he mentions disbelievers in hellfire.

Here is what I know with certainty that hellfire will get hotter and hotter and hotter and hotter (forever and ever and ever) in summer season and colder and colder and colder and colder (forever and ever ever) in winter season. What I know also is that when the weather in hellfire changes it is faster than speed of light when it switches between summer and winter season. There are no clouds like the Earth in hellfire and there are no moon or sun or grass cheppering birds. There is one tree called the Zakuum that have fruits shaped like the heads of devil that the disbelievers will be forced to eat and it will cut their inside and shred them to pieces but will not solve their hunger problem. Hellfire will not disappear and pharaon and criminals and disbelievers and mushriks will rejoice and enter paradise after a certain time. No. They will abode in hellfire forever and eternally...the gate of hellfire will be closed and never be opened again once all the the Muslims and believers with an atom size leave it and enter paradise. Death itself will be killed and the people of paradise will rejoice for they will be forever living in paradise and people of hellfire will be in tears and sadness for they will be forever living in hellfire.

People who have heard of Islam...didn't bother to seek and learn about Islam....and died worshipping Jesus or declare him (authobillah) son of God or believe God is a male or female and worship false Goddesses or worship the stars or worship the anything but Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) and dies in that state...hellfire is their abode eternally. In the day of resurrection they will not be giving a chance to repent. A great example to that is one of the prophets is a friend of Allah (Subhanahu Wa
Talaa). When he will be resurrected and his father comes to his son (the prophet) with his face in darkness with all the punishment he got in the grave and begs his son to talk to Allah to forgive him and when the son (prophet) does, Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) tells him to look behind him and when he dies he finds his father is now a horrible looking animal and that animal is thrown in hellfire. He will live abode in hellfire forever and ever and when the son goes to paradise he will laugh and be happy he is not amongst the people of hellfire (even if he does see his father suffering in front of him). For Allah (Subhananhu Wa Talaa) can remove the sadness in people's heart when they enter paradise.

Please do not take shirk and kufir lightly.

absolutely right I also agreed.

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agree. Their opinion isn't acceptable

Then why was it even brought up :hmm: especially when it is a very rare statement without validity.
This actually seems quite sinister on your part especially in a thread that does not need it.

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In my eyes with this post azc did he have lost all credibility with me and respect. I will always look at him now with sinister attempt.

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@ZeeshanParvez :

''No one has the right to follow the mistakes of the scholars''

agree