AKP lost İstanbul and Ankara

[anatolian]

Erdoğan’s AKP lost the grand municipalities of İstanbul and Ankara yesterday to the Kemalist CHP which also had the support of nationalist İYİ Party as per the mathematical results of the local elections after 16 years of continous governance. These two cities were governed by Islamist mayors and parties since 1994. This is a complete failure for Erdoğan and AKP in Turkey and gives some hints for the next general elections. People gave a lesson to him and the party after long years of corruption.

[SintoDinto]

yay! you know what they say "whosoever wins istanbul, wins the country." judging by the minds of these simpleton neo ottoman islamists, who often are old people or who barely have an education, seeing someone "seize power in istanbul" from erdogan, who they see as "caliph" is a MAJOR defeat. it's a sign of the end of the ottoman period all over again.

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anadolu ajans (anadolu agency) even tried cheating by shutting down the results at the exact time ekrem imamoglu was ahead, and i waited hours, but YSK (which normally cheats, too (YSK means board of judges, basically) even stepped in. how unusual......times are changing.....it seems.

[CuriousonTruth]

Erdoğan’s AKP lost the grand municipalities of İstanbul and Ankara yesterday to the Kemalist CHP which also had the support of nationalist İYİ Party as per the mathematical results of the local elections after 16 years of continous governance. These two cities were governed by Islamist mayors and parties since 1994. This is a complete failure for Erdoğan and AKP in Turkey and gives some hints for the next general elections. People gave a lesson to him and the party after long years of corruption.

His party's vote share has remained the same however, and with exception of Diyarbekir, HDP's votes are plunging fast. AKP-MHP alliance secured 52% of the votes, so the equation re.ains the same.

Also in secular provinces, AKP's vote share has modestly risen, AKP got 38% in Izmir, that in itself is amazing progress from the 30% Erdogan got.
And also over 40% in Edirne.

The Istanbul result will eventually swing back. What Erdogan has to Target is why Adana, Artvin, Ardahan, Hatay are voting for CHP. Especially Hatay, why do they vote for CHP?

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yay! you know what they say "whosoever wins istanbul, wins the country." judging by the minds of these simpleton neo ottoman islamists, who often are old people or who barely have an education, seeing someone "seize power in istanbul" from erdogan, who they see as "caliph" is a MAJOR defeat. it's a sign of the end of the ottoman period all over again.

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anadolu ajans (anadolu agency) even tried cheating by shutting down the results at the exact time ekrem imamoglu was ahead, and i waited hours, but YSK (which normally cheats, too (YSK means board of judges, basically) even stepped in. how unusual......times are changing.....it seems.

I doubt a difference of 0.4% or 25k votes is "end of the Ottomans".

Erdogan himself had won only 50% in the Presidential election in Istanbul. Yildirim won 48.8%, it's not a massive drop. The core voters remained.

Rather it's because the Kemalists CHP-IYI-HDP have worked together that allowed CHP to go from 30% to 49%.

[SintoDinto]

His party's vote share has remained the same however, and with exception of Diyarbekir, HDP's votes are plunging fast. AKP-MHP alliance secured 52% of the votes, so the equation re.ains the same.

Also in secular provinces, AKP's vote share has modestly risen, AKP got 38% in Izmir, that in itself is amazing progress from the 30% Erdogan got.
And also over 40% in Edirne.

The Istanbul result will eventually swing back. What Erdogan has to Target is why Adana, Artvin, Ardahan, Hatay are voting for CHP. Especially Hatay, why do they vote for CHP?

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I doubt a difference of 0.4% or 25k votes is "end of the Ottomans".

Erdogan himself had won only 50% in the Presidential election in Istanbul. Yildirim won 48.8%, it's not a massive drop. The core voters remained.

Rather it's because the Kemalists CHP-IYI-HDP have worked together that allowed CHP to go from 30% to 49%.

once chp shows how great they are at governing and erdogan loses major elections and his misconduct is exposed, the next local election erdogan either will be in jail, out of politics for life, or chp will win at least far more.

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[CuriousonTruth]

once chp shows how great they are at governing and erdogan loses major elections and his misconduct is exposed, the next local election erdogan either will be in jail, out of politics for life, or chp will win at least far more.

Great at governing, well they kept Turkey a s***hole for 70 years with zero progress.

Besides since the change of the system, the President, not the parliament or mayors hold the executive power.

And if you really think CHP will keep Hatay, Adana and their newly won provinces in Black Sea region, you would be wrong they can't keep those next election.

[SintoDinto]

Great at governing, well they kept Turkey a shithole for 70 years with zero progress.

Besides since the change of the system, the President, not the parliament or mayors hold the executive power.

And if you really think CHP will keep Hatay, Adana and their newly won provinces in Black Sea region, you would be wrong they can't keep those next election.

"70 years with no progress" they only won one election in the past 70 years after the one party period, and that was under bulent ecevit in the 1970s. the people keeping turkey a ______ are islamists. who keep getting overthrown by kemalists.

[CuriousonTruth]

"70 years with no progress" they only won one election in the past 70 years after the one party period, and that was under bulent ecevit in the 1970s. the people keeping turkey a ______ are islamists. who keep getting overthrown by kemalists.

Yeah funny thing that your party needs military force to stay in power. And if not that, Western backing and organization.

I don't know about CHP, but both IYI party and HDP would not exist without tacit backing off the West.

Adnan Menderes' party wasn't "islamist". Neither was Turgut Ocal. Erbakan's party was the first.

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What has ended is the political career of Binali Yildirim and Ozhaseki and the bright politicians who somehow lost Hatay, Adana, and the Black Sea municipalities.

[SintoDinto]

Yeah funny thing that your party needs military force to stay in power. And if not that, Western backing and organization.

I don't know about CHP, but both IYI party and HDP would not exist without tacit backing off the West.

Adnan Menderes' party wasn't "islamist". Neither was Turgut Ocal. Erbakan's party was the first.

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What has ended is the political career of Binali Yildirim and Ozhaseki and the bright politicians who somehow lost Hatay, Adana, and the Black Sea municipalities.

yeah, same old "blame the west, blame the west" another thing. reason cumhur ittifak's vote is not under 50 percent and akp won so many votes is because military in southeast forced kurds to vote akp. EDIT: and yes, adnan menderes was an islamist. i dont know much about turgut ozal, but he sure got corrupt, and he was right wing, so something can certainly be said about right wing socially conservative politicians.

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Yeah funny thing that your party needs military force to stay in power. And if not that, Western backing and organization.

I don't know about CHP, but both IYI party and HDP would not exist without tacit backing off the West.

Adnan Menderes' party wasn't "islamist". Neither was Turgut Ocal. Erbakan's party was the first.

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What has ended is the political career of Binali Yildirim and Ozhaseki and the bright politicians who somehow lost Hatay, Adana, and the Black Sea municipalities.

funny thing is that your party requires electoral fraud and media manipulation and foreign intervention of pakistanis and arabs and somali fanboys OUTSIDE of turkey and aktrolls and bribery (major haram) and mafia harassment and mass jailing and false flag coups (punishable by death in sharia given many died and people died in prison under false accusations), and funding terrorists (punishable by death in sharia), and theft ((punishable by amputation of a hand in sharia), and letting go of child molestors to appease the religious hypocrites to stay in power.

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Yeah funny thing that your party needs military force to stay in power. And if not that, Western backing and organization.

I don't know about CHP, but both IYI party and HDP would not exist without tacit backing off the West.

Adnan Menderes' party wasn't "islamist". Neither was Turgut Ocal. Erbakan's party was the first.

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What has ended is the political career of Binali Yildirim and Ozhaseki and the bright politicians who somehow lost Hatay, Adana, and the Black Sea municipalities.

another thing, under erdogan violence against women has exploded as has teenage pregnancies and teenage drug and alcohol use. how would you like it if that was your child? i have learned my lesson. never vote for an islamist EVER even if they are the lesser of two evils. "the moment you add a drop of oil to a cup of water the child learns that water kills" (a quote i made up)

[urkahnkhan]

yeah, same old "blame the west, blame the west" another thing. reason cumhur ittifak's vote is not under 50 percent and akp won so many votes is because military in southeast forced kurds to vote akp. EDIT: and yes, adnan menderes was an islamist. i dont know much about turgut ozal, but he sure got corrupt, and he was right wing, so something can certainly be said about right wing socially conservative politicians.

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funny thing is that your party requires electoral fraud and media manipulation and foreign intervention of pakistanis and arabs and somali fanboys OUTSIDE of turkey and aktrolls and bribery (major haram) and mafia harassment and mass jailing and false flag coups (punishable by death in sharia given many died and people died in prison under false accusations), and funding terrorists (punishable by death in sharia), and theft ((punishable by amputation of a hand in sharia), and letting go of child molestors to appease the religious hypocrites to stay in power.

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another thing, under erdogan violence against women has exploded as has teenage pregnancies and teenage drug and alcohol use. how would you like it if that was your child? i have learned my lesson. never vote for an islamist EVER even if they are the lesser of two evils. "the moment you add a drop of oil to a cup of water the child learns that water kills" (a quote i made up)

Are you insane or something like that. Why would any sane muslim want to see a kemalist victory anywhere in the world. This is baffling to me.

Do happen to belong to one of these mushrikeen sects within islam or what? because something is wrong here

[anatolian]

His party's vote share has remained the same however, and with exception of Diyarbekir, HDP's votes are plunging fast. AKP-MHP alliance secured 52% of the votes, so the equation re.ains the same.

Also in secular provinces, AKP's vote share has modestly risen, AKP got 38% in Izmir, that in itself is amazing progress from the 30% Erdogan got.
And also over 40% in Edirne.

The Istanbul result will eventually swing back. What Erdogan has to Target is why Adana, Artvin, Ardahan, Hatay are voting for CHP. Especially Hatay, why do they vote for CHP?

I dont know the details for Hatay but it might be bc of the same reason why İstanbul and Ankara did. People got strated to be bored of unethical governers with the mask of Islam. They are bored of Islam’s usage for their political gain and then doing all the dirty jobs. They are bored of Erdoğan’s hate speaches that separates people in the country. He was calling CHP and İYİ Party aupporters terrorists. Erdoğan and his company are killing Islam for Islamism and the reaction is increasing. Istanbul mayorship is regarded as an indication for presidential elections. AKP had around %50 in 2015 but they had %40 last year’s general elections. They will turn to %30 in the next with this ratio if they dont correct theirselves, and that seems unlikely atm.

[CuriousonTruth]

I dont know the details for Hatay but it might be bc of the same reason why İstanbul and Ankara did. People got strated to be bored of unethical governers with the mask of Islam. They are bored of Islam’s usage for their political gain and then doing all the dirty jobs. They are bored of Erdoğan’s hate speaches that separates people in the country. He was calling CHP and İYİ Party aupporters terrorists. Erdoğan and his company are killing Islam for Islamism and the reaction is increasing. Istanbul mayorship is regarded as an indication for presidential elections. AKP had around %50 in 2015 but they had %40 last year’s general elections. They will turn to %30 in the next with this ratio if they dont correct theirselves, and that seems unlikely atm.

Maybe that is your reasoning. From the analysis I have read, the main concern is economy and inflation, and the inflation is induced by the West. However the bust of the construction/building industry is down to bad management of the AKP.

And I don't understand why you are talking as if their voter base diminished, they didnt. AKP have always had around or below 50% in Istanbul and Ankara. The 3% and 1.5% swings aren't that significant and fall under margin of error. What is significant is CHP-IYI-HDP have successfully made a well worked coalition and combined their votes together.

But this in turn will probably cost HDP dearly in the next general election. I can't see them passing the 10% threshold, which means a clean sweep for the AKP in Southeast.

As for ideology, the ideological AKP have remained as solid as ever. Konya, Erzincan, Trabzon, etc are still under their firm control.

On the other hand Thrace and Izmir are still under CHP, although Edirne is slowly shifting to AKP.

And I would also add that it maybe failure of the AKP to field competent candidates. Some of the places where they lost like Hatay, Adana, etc Erdogan would have clean sweeped with a 15 percent gap.

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I dont know the details for Hatay but it might be bc of the same reason why İstanbul and Ankara did. People got strated to be bored of unethical governers with the mask of Islam. They are bored of Islam’s usage for their political gain and then doing all the dirty jobs. They are bored of Erdoğan’s hate speaches that separates people in the country. He was calling CHP and İYİ Party aupporters terrorists. Erdoğan and his company are killing Islam for Islamism and the reaction is increasing. Istanbul mayorship is regarded as an indication for presidential elections. AKP had around %50 in 2015 but they had %40 last year’s general elections. They will turn to %30 in the next with this ratio if they dont correct theirselves, and that seems unlikely atm.

It is wrong for AKP to use conservative politics but it's not wrong for CHP to use Kemalism?

Majority of CHP voters don't vote for CHP because they believe CHP will actually move the country forward. The vote for CHP because they hate the ideology of the AKP.

CHP can put a goat as a candidate in Izmir, and the goat will win no matter what AKP does.

So the divisive, identarian politics is by Kemalists and the elite, privileged white Turks who have sidelined Muslim Turks for 70 years and kept Turkey a third rate country for decades with the help of military.

CHP is lucky they didn't get banned for repeatedly violating democracy.

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Are you insane or something like that. Why would any sane muslim want to see a kemalist victory anywhere in the world. This is baffling to me.

Do happen to belong to one of these mushrikeen sects within islam or what? because something is wrong here

He is a gulenist, Erdogan recently destroyed his sect not only in Turkey but around the world. So basically to him, Erdogan is the devil.

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yeah, same old "blame the west, blame the west" another thing. reason cumhur ittifak's vote is not under 50 percent and akp won so many votes is because military in southeast forced kurds to vote akp. EDIT: and yes, adnan menderes was an islamist. i dont know much about turgut ozal, but he sure got corrupt, and he was right wing, so something can certainly be said about right wing socially conservative politicians.

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funny thing is that your party requires electoral fraud and media manipulation and foreign intervention of pakistanis and arabs and somali fanboys OUTSIDE of turkey and aktrolls and bribery (major haram) and mafia harassment and mass jailing and false flag coups (punishable by death in sharia given many died and people died in prison under false accusations), and funding terrorists (punishable by death in sharia), and theft ((punishable by amputation of a hand in sharia), and letting go of child molestors to appease the religious hypocrites to stay in power.

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another thing, under erdogan violence against women has exploded as has teenage pregnancies and teenage drug and alcohol use. how would you like it if that was your child? i have learned my lesson. never vote for an islamist EVER even if they are the lesser of two evils. "the moment you add a drop of oil to a cup of water the child learns that water kills" (a quote i made up)

Adnan Menderes' was centre-left, he campaigned for religious freedom for Muslims and restored the Azan that's it. The airport in Izmir is named after him, so out of many things he's definitely not some religious politician.

You mean those Somalis and Pakistanis somehow manage to vote for AKP? They should be so lucky, they are stuck with a former Playboy as prime minister.

Force Kurds to vote what? If that was the case they would have gotten Diyarbekir, not smaller provinces . AKP have been trying to win in Diyarbekir for a long time, have campaigned very hard, but separatists sentiments are still strong in that province. Mus, Van, Mardin, etc will eventually come around.

Anyway under 10% HDP can't remain in parliament, so AKP will clean sweep South east next election anyway. It will be over for the HDP unless they enter into the coalition with CHP. And if they do that IYI party will lose most of it's nationalist votes.

[alfaqir]

It is an embarassing defeat for the AKP symbolically, no doubt, but if you look at the absolute numbers of voters nationwide, there is hardly any serious weakening of the AKP, most likely bad mobilization and/or bad candidates caused it (also in presidential and parliamentary elections foreign resident Turks can also vote, that would be also an extra for AKP). The "Reis" is doing a lot of mistakes anyway, both internally and in foreign politics, so I can't say that he doesn't deserve it. Also he should have worked more on "building"/ dividing his opposition too. Anti-Gülenism was basicly all about a purging of his own camp ultimately... though breaking the army influence was good an necessary, but i dont see enough steps for the general de-Kemalization of the society.
And his political power concentration is a risky gambling (imo it was a mistake to switch to the presidental system in the first place...), now there is a lot of power in his hands, but once he loses (and all political eras finish once), that very same concentrated power can end up in the hands of others, worser ones too.

[CuriousonTruth]

It is an embarassing defeat for the AKP symbolically, no doubt, but if you look at the absolute numbers of voters nationwide, there is hardly any serious weakening of the AKP, most likely bad mobilization and/or bad candidates caused it (also in presidential and parliamentary elections foreign resident Turks can also vote, that would be also an extra for AKP). The "Reis" is doing a lot of mistakes anyway, both internally and in foreign politics, so I can't say that he doesn't deserve it. Also he should have worked more on "building"/ dividing his opposition too. Anti-Gülenism was basicly all about a purging of his own camp ultimately... though breaking the army influence was good an necessary, but i dont see enough steps for the general de-Kemalization of the society.
And his political power concentration is a risky gambling (imo it was a mistake to switch to the presidental system in the first place...), now there is a lot of power in his hands, but once he loses (and all political eras finish once), that very same concentrated power can end up in the hands of others, worser ones too.

In any other country, a party winning 52% of votes, regardless of the result in the capital would be seen as a major victory. The fact that a loss by 2% after 15 years winning those provinces shows the absolute dominance of Erdogan in elections.

Apparently Gulenists were the ones who secretly arranged the Gezi terror incident, so after that it was a point of no return. The de-Kemalization stopped when they allied with MHP, rather it seems AKP has sought to change what the actual character of Kemal is, into 'just a reformer', blaming all of Kemal's anti-islam policies on Ismet Inonu.

I think he has already divided the opposition, remember MHP was initially against AKP. He basically vassalized the MHP to his own end, while MHP's anti_Erdogan camp broke out, weaking MHP further and putting it into his own hands. And it looks HDP's run in politics is going to end in the near future.

Maybe if he was a bit 'dirtier' and covertly supported the other leftist party like DSP or the communist party to take CHP's votes, that would have worked better.

[anatolian]

“De-Kemalization” of the Turkish society? Thats simply a mission impossible for a human being. Love and respect for Atatürk is much more than an ideology in Turkey.

[alfaqir]

Thinking and opinions evolve, would be enough to just stop the state-support for the Kemalist cult, lifting the special legal protection of him, full open research and publication of the archives penetrating to the first decades of the republic, removing the images, statues and quotes from him in public buildings, stopping school indoctrination like Atatürk ilkeleri classes etc, basicly just place him on the same position as any other statesman, having free academical research and evaluation around him, and not a personality cult. One generation later thinking would change...
Also how much he is loved is hardly truly measurable as even questioning him and having an open critical discussion is still largely a taboo, but i suspect a lot of people in the Turkish society at least have a critical view of him, not only deeply religious people but also among the various minorities, and all together that is not a small part of the country. It is not even healthy for modern liberal democrat secularist Turks too that the only ideological point of reference they can have is him and being bound by that period of early republic (an authoritarian, ultranationalist and quasy-fascist era).

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In any other country, a party winning 52% of votes, regardless of the result in the capital would be seen as a major victory. The fact that a loss by 2% after 15 years winning those provinces shows the absolute dominance of Erdogan in elections.

Apparently Gulenists were the ones who secretly arranged the Gezi terror incident, so after that it was a point of no return. The de-Kemalization stopped when they allied with MHP, rather it seems AKP has sought to change what the actual character of Kemal is, into 'just a reformer', blaming all of Kemal's anti-islam policies on Ismet Inonu.

I think he has already divided the opposition, remember MHP was initially against AKP. He basically vassalized the MHP to his own end, while MHP's anti_Erdogan camp broke out, weaking MHP further and putting it into his own hands. And it looks HDP's run in politics is going to end in the near future.

Maybe if he was a bit 'dirtier' and covertly supported the other leftist party like DSP or the communist party to take CHP's votes, that would have worked better.

But it is also questionable was it worth to trade away potential Kurdish support for MHP... as far as i remember the AKP used to be more popular among them in the first years of their government... ^o)

[CuriousonTruth]

But it is also questionable was it worth to trade away potential Kurdish support for MHP... as far as i remember the AKP used to be more popular among them in the first years of their government... ^o)

This was one of the major points of disagreements between Ahmet Davutoglu and Erdogan, Davutoglu leaned more towards alliance with Kurds which is why he was so adamant on peace with the PKK. Whereas Erdogan saw the electoral value of using PKK threat for votes instead.

AKP still gets a lot of votes in South-East, their vote share has increased this election and with HDP sacrificing their own interest for the sake of CHP, I expect the party to die out. And guess what, MHP won a municipality in a Kurdish majority municipality mostly from AKP votes.

And look no other party has done as much for Kurds as AKP, if the Kurds in Diyarbekir still give 60% of their votes to HDP, then there is something wrong with the people if they are voting on basis of ethnic interests only.

While that is the case, AKP has increased its vote share steadily in Izmir, Edirne, Antalya, Yalova, etc all hardcore Kemalist stronghold.

Also one thing no one mentioned is how hilariously AKP-MHP lost provinces like Kars because their votes were divided, leaving HDP with just 29% votes to win. The coordination between the parties is horrible.

[anatolian]

Thinking and opinions evolve, would be enough to just stop the state-support for the Kemalist cult, lifting the special legal protection of him, full open research and publication of the archives penetrating to the first decades of the republic, removing the images, statues and quotes from him in public buildings, stopping school indoctrination like Atatürk ilkeleri classes etc, basicly just place him on the same position as any other statesman, having free academical research and evaluation around him, and not a personality cult. One generation later thinking would change...
Also how much he is loved is hardly truly measurable as even questioning him and having an open critical discussion is still largely a taboo, but i suspect a lot of people in the Turkish society at least have a critical view of him, not only deeply religious people but also among the various minorities, and all together that is not a small part of the country. It is not even healthy for modern liberal democrat secularist Turks too that the only ideological point of reference they can have is him and being bound by that period of early republic (an authoritarian, ultranationalist and quasy-fascist era).

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But it is also questionable was it worth to trade away potential Kurdish support for MHP... as far as i remember the AKP used to be more popular among them in the first years of their government... ^o)

These have always been in the to do list of every genious ambitious Islamist in Turkey, you can be sure of that. Erdoğan even tried to do more for more than 10 years.. He even forbade the official celebration of national holidays out of Ankara. He tried to erase the references of Atatürk in the school books. This is where he came. He gave up and started to blame eveeything on İsmet İnönü. He now even praises Atatürk from time to time. Now he started to lose against CHP which is only a small portion of Kemalism and Kemalism is only a small portion of Turkish people’s love of Atatürk. If you think moving his statues will make people forget him you are so naive. If more researches are made about him and if more people read about , I assure you, people will love and respect him even more. Most of Turkish people’s info about him comes from school books which dont go into detail so much. Your clasification of his era is a stereotype. What makes it authoritarian, ultranationalist and quasy-fascist? Even if so he was, what makes it wrong? He had to be “authoritarian” and “ultranationalist” anyway after establishing a nation who were betrayed and fooled a lot.

But..even if eveything you mentioned is done one day still more than half of this nation will go on to remember and respect him becuase of his service to this nation in the wars that saved us from dissolution. Inorder to understand this you must spent enough time within us..

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Maybe that is your reasoning. From the analysis I have read, the main concern is economy and inflation, and the inflation is induced by the West. However the bust of the construction/building industry is down to bad management of the AKP.

And I don't understand why you are talking as if their voter base diminished, they didnt. AKP have always had around or below 50% in Istanbul and Ankara. The 3% and 1.5% swings aren't that significant and fall under margin of error. What is significant is CHP-IYI-HDP have successfully made a well worked coalition and combined their votes together.

But this in turn will probably cost HDP dearly in the next general election. I can't see them passing the 10% threshold, which means a clean sweep for the AKP in Southeast.

As for ideology, the ideological AKP have remained as solid as ever. Konya, Erzincan, Trabzon, etc are still under their firm control.

On the other hand Thrace and Izmir are still under CHP, although Edirne is slowly shifting to AKP.

And I would also add that it maybe failure of the AKP to field competent candidates. Some of the places where they lost like Hatay, Adana, etc Erdogan would have clean sweeped with a 15 percent gap.

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It is wrong for AKP to use conservative politics but it's not wrong for CHP to use Kemalism?

Majority of CHP voters don't vote for CHP because they believe CHP will actually move the country forward. The vote for CHP because they hate the ideology of the AKP.

CHP can put a goat as a candidate in Izmir, and the goat will win no matter what AKP does.

So the divisive, identarian politics is by Kemalists and the elite, privileged white Turks who have sidelined Muslim Turks for 70 years and kept Turkey a third rate country for decades with the help of military.

CHP is lucky they didn't get banned for repeatedly violating democracy.

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He is a gulenist, Erdogan recently destroyed his sect not only in Turkey but around the world. So basically to him, Erdogan is the devil.

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Adnan Menderes' was centre-left, he campaigned for religious freedom for Muslims and restored the Azan that's it. The airport in Izmir is named after him, so out of many things he's definitely not some religious politician.

You mean those Somalis and Pakistanis somehow manage to vote for AKP? They should be so lucky, they are stuck with a former Playboy as prime minister.

Force Kurds to vote what? If that was the case they would have gotten Diyarbekir, not smaller provinces . AKP have been trying to win in Diyarbekir for a long time, have campaigned very hard, but separatists sentiments are still strong in that province. Mus, Van, Mardin, etc will eventually come around.

Anyway under 10% HDP can't remain in parliament, so AKP will clean sweep South east next election anyway. It will be over for the HDP unless they enter into the coalition with CHP. And if they do that IYI party will lose most of it's nationalist votes.

What you dont know is the importance of the change of rule. Numbers or ratios are not much important. This symbolizes the fall of Erdoğan and AKP. İstanbul and Ankara represent entire country. Now İstanbul and Ankara will be governed by CHP for five years after 25 years and this will either positively or negatively change people’s opinion of them and if it becomes positive it will reflect to the next general election. This is why AKP are still speculating and manuplating over the results even after 4 days..

[سيف الله]

Salaam

But..even if eveything you mentioned is done one day still more than half of this nation will go on to remember and respect him becuase of his service to this nation in the wars that saved us from dissolution. Inorder to understand this you must spent enough time within us..

Yes but at what cost? Regardless truth will out eventually.

[CuriousonTruth]

These have always been in the to do list of every genious ambitious Islamist in Turkey, you can be sure of that. Erdoğan even tried to do more for more than 10 years.. He even forbade the official celebration of national holidays out of Ankara. He tried to erase the references of Atatürk in the school books. This is where he came. He gave up and started to blame eveeything on İsmet İnönü. He now even praises Atatürk from time to time. Now he started to lose against CHP which is only a small portion of Kemalism and Kemalism is only a small portion of Turkish people’s love of Atatürk. If you think moving his statues will make people forget him you are so naive. If more researches are made about him and if more people read about , I assure you, people will love and respect him even more. Most of Turkish people’s info about him comes from school books which dont go into detail so much. Your clasification of his era is a stereotype. What makes it authoritarian, ultranationalist and quasy-fascist? Even if so he was, what makes it wrong? He had to be “authoritarian” and “ultranationalist” anyway after establishing a nation who were betrayed and fooled a lot.

But..even if eveything you mentioned is done one day still more than half of this nation will go on to remember and respect him becuase of his service to this nation in the wars that saved us from dissolution. Inorder to understand this you must spent enough time within us..

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What you dont know is the importance of the change of rule. Numbers or ratios are not much important. This symbolizes the fall of Erdoğan and AKP. İstanbul and Ankara represent entire country. Now İstanbul and Ankara will be governed by CHP for five years after 25 years and this will either positively or negatively change people’s opinion of them and if it becomes positive it will reflect to the next general election. This is why AKP are still speculating and manuplating over the results even after 4 days..

And that praise didn't go too well with his own voter base. Most AKP pages I follow criticized Erdogan for involving Ataturk in Manzikert event. Even in his page many people were asking, "What is the relevance of Ataturk with Manzikert?"

For sure Kemal is nearly a demigod in the Aegean provinces and Thracian provinces. But there are still a significant number of Turks, usually from Central Anatolia who don't seem to like Kemal as much.

As one Turk from konya I spoke to put it so well, "Izmir and Konya are like two different countries".

This is just the municipality election. Dear God in no other country anyone gives a damn about municipal election as much as people seem to do with Turkey.

Symbolized the fall is a very dramatic statement. They even won most of the votes in the actual election last year.

If we have to go into details, 24 out of 39 districts in Istanbul will be governed by AKP. They actually won most of the districts in Istanbul and Ankara, although lost overall.

[anatolian]

Salaam



Yes but at what cost? Regardless truth will out eventually.

Wa Salam

What can remembering and respecting Atatürk cost? You can answer this with two options. With and without following Kemalism

[anatolian]

And that praise didn't go too well with his own voter base. Most AKP pages I follow criticized Erdogan for involving Ataturk in Manzikert event. Even in his page many people were asking, "What is the relevance of Ataturk with Manzikert?"

For sure Kemal is nearly a demigod in the Aegean provinces and Thracian provinces. But there are still a significant number of Turks, usually from Central Anatolia who don't seem to like Kemal as much.

As one Turk from konya I spoke to put it so well, "Izmir and Konya are like two different countries".

This is just the municipality election. Dear God in no other country anyone gives a damn about municipal election as much as people seem to do with Turkey.

Symbolized the fall is a very dramatic statement. They even won most of the votes in the actual election last year.

If we have to go into details, 24 out of 39 districts in Istanbul will be governed by AKP. They actually won most of the districts in Istanbul and Ankara, although lost overall.

Manzikert started Turkey and Atatürk restarted it. There is such a connection. Also the date the 26 August is of both the manzikert in 1071 and the great assault of the Turkish salvation war in 1922.

Islamism’s first political victory in Turkey was Erdoğan’s election as the mayor of İstanbul and Melih Gökçek of Ankara in 1994. This evantualy gave birth to AKP. This is why its much more important to Erdoğan

[CuriousonTruth]

Manzikert started Turkey and Atatürk restarted it. There is such a connection. Also the date the 26 August is of both the manzikert in 1071 and the great assault of the Turkish salvation war in 1922.

Islamism’s first political victory in Turkey was Erdoğan’s election as the mayor of İstanbul and Melih Gökçek of Ankara in 1994. This evantualy gave birth to AKP. This is why its much more important to Erdoğan

Sorry to be rude but that is nonsense. The whole point of Kemal was to sever Turkey's ties with Islam. To that end he promoted pre-Islamic Turkish history like the Scythians.

The Seljuk Sultanate of Rum has zero connection Ideologically, culturally and with the people of the Turkish republic.

The Turkish republic was founded with motivations, ideology that is complete opposite of the Seljuks.

Either way going back to the original point, Erdogan's supporters were not entertained when he mentioned Ataturk in the Manzikert event.

Everybody knows Erdogan's ideology by now, it's naive to think just mentioning Kemal here and there will suddenly cause the secularists to like him.

He should cater to his own support base.

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Another update, this isn't good news, if they won the election fair and square they should respect the result.

Turkey Pays the Price for Erdogan’s Istanbul Election Do-Over

Its currency hit a seven-month low after the election board invalidated the opposition CHP party’s victory.

Late on May 6, Turkey’s election board invalidated the results of a March mayoral election that cost President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s AK Party control of Istanbul. The decision sent stocks tumbling, and the opposition party called the move a coup.

What’s the back story?

Erdogan has been consolidating power for the better part of the past decade. In 2017 a constitutional referendum granted him authority to appoint ministers and judges and put much of the country’s economic policy at his discretion. Last year, the day after he was sworn in to a second term, he named his son-in-law finance minister.

Why is Istanbul so important?

The city is the country’s largest metropolis and its commercial center—more important, it’s where Erdogan got his political start. AKP has built an important patronage network there, doling out contracts for infrastructure projects to Erdogan supporters. The president told lawmakers in 2016: “If we lose Istanbul, we lose Turkey.”

What happens next?

New elections have been scheduled for June 23. Some in the main opposition party, CHP, which won narrowly in the original vote, called for a boycott, saying Erdogan’s party can’t be trusted to run a free and fair ballot. But CHP’s leadership says it will campaign again for the post, and smaller parties are aligning with them.

Six weeks of political chaos present a major threat to Turkey’s economy, which slipped into its first recession in a decade just before the March vote. The lira hit a seven-month low after the election board announced its decision, while Turkish stocks erased their 2019 gains at the next morning’s market open. The central bank is likely to face pressure to stabilize the currency by raising interest rates—a move sure to anger Erdogan, who’s consistently called for keeping borrowing costs low.

How bad could things get?

Pretty bad. The lira has experienced a series of shocks in the past year and may face more if Turkey accepts a $2 billion delivery of Russian missiles. That could provoke U.S. sanctions, on top of steel tariffs put in place last year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/businessweek

[anatolian]

Final results from the İstanbul mayorship elections yesterday which was unjustly repeated by the influance of Erdoğan.

Ekrem İmamoğlu (CHP) %54

Binali Yıldırım (AKP) %45

The fall of AKP and Erdoğan accelerates and I think I know how this will end up..

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Salaam

Another update, this isn't good news, if they won the election fair and square they should respect the result

They dont have respect for anything else anymore. All what they care is only their victory and individual gain. They shouldnt be called Islamist but should be called Machiavellist from now on.

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Another update

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Erdogan strikes conciliatory tone in first speech since Istanbul defeat

Party insiders tell MEE that AKP will 'lose more blood' if party fails to learn important lessons from Sunday's defeat

In his first televised appearance since Sunday's Istanbul mayoral election in which his Justice and Development Party (AKP) was dealt a stunning defeat, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan struck a softer tone.

Erdogan, addressing parliament on Tuesday, once again congratulated mayor-elect Ekrem Imamoglu, an opposition politician who was elected with a winning margin not seen in Turkey's economic and cultural capital in 30 years.

“The decision taken by Istanbul residents has a place above our heads,” Erdogan said, using an idiom to show genuine respect.

“We cannot ignore the messages handed by our nation. We will conduct our own accounting. We will analyse why we couldn’t explain ourselves to the people. We will detect our disconnections, shortcomings and mistakes and we will take the necessary steps accordingly.”

He also promised that his party would make changes in its policies in the coming days by listening to the demands of the nation and focusing on the remaining four years of his current term to undertake key reforms in the economy and defence.

“We will continue to serve uninterrupted, we can achieve anything with love,” he added.

But Erdogan was also defensive about the annulment of the March local election when Imamoglu initially was declared mayor with a mere margin of 13,000 votes. “There were problems that could have had an impact on the election results,” he said.

Erdogan will convene his party leadership later on Tuesday and is expected to debate the results extensively. A cabinet reshuffle is expected later next month, though Erdogan denied that he would make the changes just because some media reports said he would.

Critics within party voice concerns

Several sources close to the AKP told Middle East Eye that critics within the party are already flagging up policies they believe led to the defeat in Istanbul, such as pushing for a repeat election and using polarising language during the campaign period.

“If we cannot get the necessary lessons from the election results, we will lose more blood. And it will embolden the likes of intra-party opponents [former PM] Ahmet Davutoglu and Ali Babacan,” the source said.

The government-aligned flagship Sabah’s Ankara representative Okan Muderrisoglu, too, penned a harsh column on Tuesday, firing off several criticisms against the party leadership.

“People don’t think it is appropriate for the Turkish President to be a member of a political party,” he said, a change supported by Erdogan in the latest package of constitutional reforms last year.

Muderrisoglu also pointed out the fact that Istanbul residents did not like the allegations of unlawful staffing at polling stations which led to the annulment of the original election in March.

“Voters don’t like to see that suspicions were raised on ballot boxes, polling committees and institutions,” he said.

Others were bolder in their analysis of the current state of Erdogan politics.

Abdulkadir Selvi, a prominent columnist at the Hurriyet daily that is close to the AKP, wrote on Tuesday that voters were expecting sweeping changes in fundamental policies.

“The only thing that doesn’t change is change itself. If you don’t act on and make necessary changes, the people will replace you,” he said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/e...stanbul-defeat

[CuriousonTruth]

anatolian - there are videos of CHP Turks opening and drinking champagne infront of mosques, drinking wine on the roads, etc. I hope you are proud of yourself for supporting these apostates.

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This is for other muslims here, a hijabi here in middle of wild drunk people celebrating victory of atheist/apostate CHP party. I have been telling you guys, STOP supporting the hijabi cult (feminist munafiq). They are worse in their hypocrisy than normal non-hijabi muslim women. Stop defending them, fighting for them and worrying about them. Absolutely disgusting.

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Salaam

Another update

Embedded Tweet

Erdogan strikes conciliatory tone in first speech since Istanbul defeat

Party insiders tell MEE that AKP will 'lose more blood' if party fails to learn important lessons from Sunday's defeat

In his first televised appearance since Sunday's Istanbul mayoral election in which his Justice and Development Party (AKP) was dealt a stunning defeat, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan struck a softer tone.

Erdogan, addressing parliament on Tuesday, once again congratulated mayor-elect Ekrem Imamoglu, an opposition politician who was elected with a winning margin not seen in Turkey's economic and cultural capital in 30 years.

“The decision taken by Istanbul residents has a place above our heads,” Erdogan said, using an idiom to show genuine respect.

“We cannot ignore the messages handed by our nation. We will conduct our own accounting. We will analyse why we couldn’t explain ourselves to the people. We will detect our disconnections, shortcomings and mistakes and we will take the necessary steps accordingly.”

He also promised that his party would make changes in its policies in the coming days by listening to the demands of the nation and focusing on the remaining four years of his current term to undertake key reforms in the economy and defence.

“We will continue to serve uninterrupted, we can achieve anything with love,” he added.

But Erdogan was also defensive about the annulment of the March local election when Imamoglu initially was declared mayor with a mere margin of 13,000 votes. “There were problems that could have had an impact on the election results,” he said.

Erdogan will convene his party leadership later on Tuesday and is expected to debate the results extensively. A cabinet reshuffle is expected later next month, though Erdogan denied that he would make the changes just because some media reports said he would.

Critics within party voice concerns

Several sources close to the AKP told Middle East Eye that critics within the party are already flagging up policies they believe led to the defeat in Istanbul, such as pushing for a repeat election and using polarising language during the campaign period.

“If we cannot get the necessary lessons from the election results, we will lose more blood. And it will embolden the likes of intra-party opponents [former PM] Ahmet Davutoglu and Ali Babacan,” the source said.

The government-aligned flagship Sabah’s Ankara representative Okan Muderrisoglu, too, penned a harsh column on Tuesday, firing off several criticisms against the party leadership.

“People don’t think it is appropriate for the Turkish President to be a member of a political party,” he said, a change supported by Erdogan in the latest package of constitutional reforms last year.

Muderrisoglu also pointed out the fact that Istanbul residents did not like the allegations of unlawful staffing at polling stations which led to the annulment of the original election in March.

“Voters don’t like to see that suspicions were raised on ballot boxes, polling committees and institutions,” he said.

Others were bolder in their analysis of the current state of Erdogan politics.

Abdulkadir Selvi, a prominent columnist at the Hurriyet daily that is close to the AKP, wrote on Tuesday that voters were expecting sweeping changes in fundamental policies.

“The only thing that doesn’t change is change itself. If you don’t act on and make necessary changes, the people will replace you,” he said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/e...stanbul-defeat

From what Turks told me, one of the main reason was shift of nationalist votes due to Bolu CHP mayor succesfully kciking out Syrian refugees. There are about 1.2 million arabs in Istambul, people feel threatened. And recently there was a case of a group of Syrian men raping and killing a turkish girl (what a surprise!) plus they remember the drunk dancing Syrians from new years day.

But still the loss was unprecedented. Erdogan should have followed by opinion and made his mega projects in Konya instead of Istanbul. Should have left Istanbul like it was in 2002.

[anatolian]

anatolian - there are videos of CHP Turks opening and drinking champagne infront of mosques, drinking wine on the roads, etc. I hope you are proud of yourself for supporting these apostates.

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This is for other muslims here, a hijabi here in middle of wild drunk people celebrating victory of atheist/apostate CHP party. I have been telling you guys, STOP supporting the hijabi cult (feminist munafiq). They are worse in their hypocrisy than normal non-hijabi muslim women. Stop defending them, fighting for them and worrying about them. Absolutely disgusting.

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From what Turks told me, one of the main reason was shift of nationalist votes due to Bolu CHP mayor succesfully kciking out Syrian refugees. There are about 1.2 million arabs in Istambul, people feel threatened. And recently there was a case of a group of Syrian men raping and killing a turkish girl (what a surprise!) plus they remember the drunk dancing Syrians from new years day.

But still the loss was unprecedented. Erdogan should have followed by opinion and made his mega projects in Konya instead of Istanbul. Should have left Istanbul like it was in 2002.

Which is a worse sin? Drinking alchohol or violating huququl ibad? CHP guys are drinking alcholol but the AKP guys are violating huququl ibad.

[SintoDinto]

Which is a worse sin? Drinking alchohol or violating huququl ibad? CHP guys are drinking alcholol but the AKP guys are violating huququl ibad.

CHP guys spread hate as well, look at what they and "iyi" party guys say about refugees. theyre all the same garbage. except maybe HDP, but they have their own problems. also, im starting to recognize the dangers on a theological level (as well as some of the things they potentially did, when i was too young to remember) those "poor gulenists". i stopped attending their mosque anyway. but the hdp, aside from omer faruk gergergioglu, and (was it huda kaya? i dont think that was it but maybe wrong) mostly defends rights of kurds and ethnic minorities and religious minorities . that's noble. but they dont seem to have much else to stand on.

[SintoDinto]

i still think the turkish government is not doing the right thing with regard to gulenists, though. theyre doing an even worse evil to gulenists that gulenists did to kemalists. or perhaps equal, i was too young to remember.

[SintoDinto]

anatolian - there are videos of CHP Turks opening and drinking champagne infront of mosques, drinking wine on the roads, etc. I hope you are proud of yourself for supporting these apostates.

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This is for other muslims here, a hijabi here in middle of wild drunk people celebrating victory of atheist/apostate CHP party. I have been telling you guys, STOP supporting the hijabi cult (feminist munafiq). They are worse in their hypocrisy than normal non-hijabi muslim women. Stop defending them, fighting for them and worrying about them. Absolutely disgusting.

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From what Turks told me, one of the main reason was shift of nationalist votes due to Bolu CHP mayor succesfully kciking out Syrian refugees. There are about 1.2 million arabs in Istambul, people feel threatened. And recently there was a case of a group of Syrian men raping and killing a turkish girl (what a surprise!) plus they remember the drunk dancing Syrians from new years day.

But still the loss was unprecedented. Erdogan should have followed by opinion and made his mega projects in Konya instead of Istanbul. Should have left Istanbul like it was in 2002.

that story of them sexually assaulting a young turkish girl is a lie, police said it was a story of a twelve year old syrian boy beckoning a twelve year old girl to his window blown out of proportion, followed by a lynch mob targeting syrians. i dont know who's telling the truth, but if you want to make a case that an entire population is in general more guilty of wrongdoing (because all populations have criminals), don't just cite a few anecdotes and your historical hatred for arabs based on 1971 or the fall of the ottoman empire. every population, especially that of a few million people, will consist of criminals. and it is no coincidence that most migrants are young men. it's not a conspiracy, it's a well documented law of human geography! (social science discipline!)