Looming Iran-USA War/Tensions

[CuriousonTruth]

https://www.rt.com/usa/460265-bolton-pompeo-fight-iran/

[Al_Ghazali]

It's either now or never for Trump and the Gulf Arabs.

[Ahmed.]

Iran needs a good hiding!!! And Trump needs to become a hero to remain president in the next US elections... a recipe for a good war!!! :Emoji48::Emoji48::Emoji48:

[CuriousonTruth]

Iran needs a good hiding!!! And Trump needs to become a hero to remain president in the next US elections... a recipe for a good war!!! :Emoji48::Emoji48::Emoji48:

Not sure a war where millions might die is so funny.

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[Abz2000]

I find it to be very telling of how easy it is to insult the intelligence of docile and passive people who are directly affected by these issues - when crimes are more and more frequently presented by the corrupt, secularist, satanist media machines in the context and narrative framework of elections whilst the trolling machines churn out a fake image of popular support for fraudulently "elected" "leaders" who are not much more than puppets for their usurer controllers.

It's obviously easier to get them to keep their heads down, keep calm, and carry on working like battery hens as their futures and those of their children are hijacked and torn to shreds - when the same people are living in a matrix where they are deceived into thinking that the "democratic majority" is in favour of an opinion - despite the actual majority thinking otherwise. But rarely do common people want to stand against the perceived majority - especially in a "democracy".
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[keiv]

Attacking Iran is inevitable. For years, israel has been planting the seed that Iran needs to be dealt with. It’s just a matter of shaping up and prepping the region before it can happen. It makes no difference who the president is.

[CuriousonTruth]

Attacking Iran is inevitable. For years, israel has been planting the seed that Iran needs to be dealt with. It’s just a matter of shaping up and prepping the region before it can happen. It makes no difference who the president is.

Saudis and UAE are also pushing for war.

This is the same UAE that has built hindu temples with extremist BJP supporters and built Buddha statue.

Iran is not innocent but they are better than those apostate countries (yes I did mass takfir, deal with it), I hope Allah protects the Iranian leadership.

[DanEdge]

In my opinion, President Trump's recent drum beating over Iran is a complete diversion to try to draw public attention away from the investigations into his administration and family. The headlines sat that we are sending over a thousand more troops to the region, but this is intentionally misleading. A large portion of those troops are already there, and are simply having their tours extended.

It seems to me that the Iranian leadership is using the same tactic towards the same end -- using sharp hawkish rhetoric about the evil American empire to draw attention away from their domestic problems.

Despite all the international smack talking, I seriously doubt that the US and Iran are headed for war anytime soon. The younger generation of both countries seem wiser and more peaceful than their forefathers in this regard. Bush's misguided and costly Iraq War was a huge lesson for us. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail, and we will re-establish good relations with Iran once Trump gets booted out of office next year.

[Ahmed.]

Wagwan? where's the edit button gone? I wanted to delete my post! I do not in any way shape or form endorse war!!!

[CuriousonTruth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgQzb4ErYWQ

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[CuriousonTruth]

The younger generation of both countries seem wiser and more peaceful than their forefathers in this regard. Bush's misguided and costly Iraq War was a huge lesson for us. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail, and we will re-establish good relations with Iran once Trump gets booted out of office next year.

It is true a lot of Iranians are atheists and irreligious.

But according to most statistics, Gen Z is/will be the most right-wing generation in American history.

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More analysis, like to share.

Blurb

Saudi Arabia doesn't like Iran for many, many reasons. But why are they willing to risk a destabilizing war in their backyard? It's all about oil money.



Iranian perspective

Blurb

We speak to Iranian Professor Seyed Mohammed Marandi on David Horowitz' allegations about Iran being medieval and barbaric as well as the Gulf of Oman tanker incident which Western powers such as the US and UK allege to be Iran's doing.



Summary



Let's hope it doesn't get hot, the last thing this region needs is more war.

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Another update.

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Iran slams US as Trump says drone downing may have been a mistake

Iranian forces downed US drone, raising fears of major military confrontation between Tehran and Washington in the Gulf.

President Donald Trump says he does not believe the shooting down of a US military drone by Iran was "intentional", in an apparent turnaround amid fears the escalating tensions between the two countries could spark an open confrontation in the Gulf.

Hours after tweeting on Thursday that "Iran had made a very big mistake" in downing the unmanned aircraft, Trump told reporters that it could have an error by a "loose and stupid" Iranian general.

Earlier in the day, the two countries offered differing accounts over the incident.

Washington said one of its drones had been downed in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz by an Iranian surface-to-air missile. But Tehran disputed where the incident took place, saying the drone had violated Iranian airspace over the southern coastal province of Hormozgan.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, in a Twitter post, gave the exact coordinates at which he said the drone was shot, adding that Iran has retrieved sections of the drone from its territorial waters.

Condemning Washington's "new aggression", he pledged to prove the Iranian case at the United Nations.

The incident marked the first direct Iranian-claimed attack on US assets and came amid heightened tensions between the US and Iran, triggered by Trump's decision last year to withdraw from an international accord that curbed Tehran's nuclear programme.

The downing of the drone was also the latest in an escalating series of incidents in the Gulf since mid-May, including suspected attacks on six tankers that the US blamed on Iran.

Tehran denied involvement, but Washington has since boosted its military presence in the Gulf, citing unspecified threats from Iran. All of this has raised fears that a miscalculation or a further rise in frictions could push the US and Iran into an open conflict.

"Iran made a very big mistake," Trump told reporters at the White House.

"This country will not stand for it, that I can tell you."

Asked if the US would respond, Trump replied: "You'll soon find out". But he also appeared to downplay the incident, saying it could have been an accidental move by someone who was "loose and stupid".

"I find it hard to believe it was intentional," Trump said, adding: "I think probably Iran made a mistake - I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...142703718.html

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The US military has condemned what it said was an "unprovoked attack" in international air space, after Iran shot down a US drone. (Subscribe: https://bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe) But the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard said the drone was actually in Iranian airspace, and described the incident as a "clear and precise message to America."

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Another update

Trump says he stopped airstrike on Iran because 150 would die

US president tweets that he intervened 10 minutes before planned retaliatory attack

Donald Trump has said he cancelled an airstrike on Iran with 10 minutes to go because it would not have been proportionate to have killed 150 people in retaliation for the downing of an unmanned US drone.

“We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die,” the US president tweeted on Friday. “150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not … proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone.

“I am in no hurry, our Military is rebuilt, new, and ready to go, by far the best in the world. Sanctions are biting & more added last night. Iran can NEVER have Nuclear Weapons, not against the USA, and not against the WORLD!”

It was reported overnight that Trump had given approval for the US military to launch the strikes on Iran as a reprisal for Tehran shooting down the drone, before pulling back at the last minute.

Planes were in the air and ships were in position, but no missiles had been fired when word came to stand down on Thursday night, the New York Times quoted an unnamed official as saying.

US military and diplomatic officials were expecting strikes on a handful of radar and missile sites after the president’s leading national security officials and congressional leaders gathered at the White House, the paper said. The military operation was called off about 7.30pm ET (12.30am BST).

The UK was informed of the US plan for the attack and not told the reprisal raids were off until 10pm.

On Friday, Reuters reported that Trump had passed a message to Tehran via Oman warning an attack was imminent.

“In his message, Trump said he was against any war with Iran and wanted to talk to Tehran about various issues,” an anonymous Iranian official told the news agency. “He gave a short period of time to get our response, but Iran’s immediate response was that it is up to [the] supreme leader [Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei to decide about this issue.”

A second Iranian official said: “We made it clear that the leader is against any talks, but the message will be conveyed to him to make a decision … However, we told the Omani official that any attack against Iran will have regional and international consequences.”

Oman – along with Japan, Iraq and to a lesser extent Switzerland – has acted as an intermediary for messages between Trump and the Iranian leadership.

Khamenei has repeatedly said he will not talk to the US until it lifts economic sanctions, adding that he does not trust Trump’s motives.

The reported contact with Oman suggests the White House might have been involved in brinkmanship with Tehran, but pulled back when Iran did not flinch.

US officials said Trump was known to want talks, but was also a believer in sending mixed messages to keep his adversaries guessing about his next move.

Some of his officials, notably the national security adviser, John Bolton, are thought to favour an attack.

One of the targets of the planned strikes was the S-125 Neva/Pechora surface-to-air missile system, Newsweek quoted a Pentagon official as saying. It reported that the US believed the system was behind the drone attack, although Tehran said it had used its 3rd Khordad air defence system, the Iranian equivalent of the Russian Buk system that downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine in 2014.

The strikes were seemingly set for early in the day to minimise risk to the Iranian military and civilians.

Trump had earlier appeared keen to calm tensions following the shooting down of the US Global Hawk drone, saying blame might be on a “loose and stupid” Iranian officer acting without authorisation from Tehran.

“We didn’t have a man or woman in the drone. It would have made a big, big difference,” Trump said. Asked how the US would respond, he said: “You’ll find out.”

The downing of the unarmed aircraft was the latest of a series of incidents that have raised tensions in the Gulf. Earlier, six oil tankers were damaged in two separate attacks.

The report of the swift reversal came as the US Federal Aviation Administration banned all US airlines and aircraft from flying in Iranian airspace close to where the drone was shot down due to “heightened military activities” in the region.

On Thursday, Iran’s foreign minister and the US military offered competing graphics showing the drone’s flight path and where it was brought down.

Sardar Amir Ali Hajizadeh, a commander in Iran’s air force, claimed on Friday: “We could have targeted a US-35 P-8 American plane … but we did not do this because our goal was to bring the US drone down and to warn off the terrorist forces of the US regime.” There was no independent verification for his claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...minutes-before

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[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

Hopefully there will be a peaceful protest at Downing Street; London against any coming war in Iran next Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 5 PM – 7 PM. The link is here -

https://www.facebook.com/events/376495832977174/

Sadly the war mongers hold the cards, there is a tried and tested rhetoric for war, outlined by Herman Goering after WW2. All leaders know this.

“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/335...war-why-should

We pray for peace.
Eric

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I don't approve of what Iran doing in the Middle East for obvious reasons,(Syria, Iraq, proxy wars etc, a horrendous record) however, I agree with you that another major conflict in this region will be a disaster. To be fair I don't think Trump wants this, he's tussling with shadowy actors who want this conflict to happen.

Speaking of Shadowy Actors.

Trump may chicken out on Iran, frets Israel

Up until several weeks ago, Israel assessed probability of a direct or indirect flare-up with Iran in one of the Israeli-Iranian conflict arenas as low. Until recently, Israel believed that Iran did not intend to find itself confronting the Israel Defense Forces, and that was the reason it had not responded to attacks attributed to the Israeli air force against Iranian targets in Syria, and that was also why its proxy Hezbollah was displaying restraint vis-à-vis Israeli activities against it. According to this assessment, Iran was investing most of its efforts in arranging terror attacks against Israelis in the West Bank and in encouraging and helping the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza to oppose any cease-fire deals with Israel and to continue stirring up trouble along the Gaza border.

In light of the rapidly escalating tensions between Iran and the United States in the Gulf it is in Iran’s best interest to keep upping the ante and fomenting instability along one of its fronts with Israel. A blowup, whether on the Golan Heights border with Syria or along the border with Lebanon, would give Iran a reason to keep defying the United States. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu convened the diplomacy-security cabinet on June 16 and 19 for the first time in months. The last thing he needs now is a commission of inquiry after the fact blaming him for failing to prepare and to share his preparations for the growing prospects of war with the interim caretaker government he heads.

Israel has also shifted position substantively as regards the conduct of US President Donald Trump. On June 20, for the first time in ages, unnamed Israeli analysts directed veiled criticism at Trump’s “weakness” on Iran, accusing him of being insufficiently “offensive” and slamming his confused reaction to the downing of the costly US drone over the Gulf. The report that Trump had ordered a military strike on Iranian targets only to rescind his order as the fighter jets were en route only sharpened the criticism by “diplomatic sources” described as close to Netanyahu.

It's a scenario we predicted several months ago: Trump would get cold feet once the moment of truth was at hand, lose interest or choke and avoid action. “The fact that the US did not respond to the drone downing and the attack on the tankers in the Gulf conveys weakness and boosts the self-confidence of the Revolutionary Guard,” an Israeli diplomatic source told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity. “The president does not realize that in order for pressure on Iran to succeed, the Iranians must believe that he is capable of attacking. If they understand he is playing a game of chicken with them, they will manipulate him just as they did President [Barack] Obama.”

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...#ixzz5reIto4qW

This is of interest, Some Americans are getting tired of being involved in endless conflict.

There is no "we", Benny

The Littlest Chickenhawk wants war and he wants it now!

Disproportionate response to attacks on US assets are a good way of showing our enemies that we will mash them if they continue to escalate. The US doesn’t want war. You know who doesn’t want war even more? The ayatollahs who will find themselves quite dead if war occurs.

Our enemies? There is no "us". Benny and the neoclowns are observably more the enemies of the American people than the ayatollahs have ever been. And Benny has been going on about war with Iran for more than a decade now; he has been calling for war with Iran, as well as Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Pakistan, since 2005.

Did Iraq pose an immediate threat to our nation? Perhaps not. But toppling Saddam Hussein and democratizing Iraq prevent his future ascendance and end his material support for future threats globally. The same principle holds true for Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan and others: Pre-emption is the chief weapon of a global empire. No one said empire was easy, but it is right and good, both for Americans and for the world.

– Benjamin Shapiro, WorldNetDaily, Aug. 11, 2005

Now, of course, Benny is claiming that he doesn't want war, he just wants to "restore deterrance". But the Littlest Chickenhawk is lying. Again. He wants war and he wants LOTS of war. He just isn't willing to enlist and fight them himself.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/

[Silas]

the neocons are even worse than the leftists

At least with the leftists, you don't have politicians taking shekels from Israel in return for bombing Arabs and Persians

my worst social media arguments have been with the neocons. The leftists are just a joke, but these guys are dangerous

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Another update.

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Tension between Washington and Tehran are once again at their peak after two oil tankers were attacked on June 13th near the entrance to the Persian Gulf. The incidents were the second in a month, and US officials were quick to blame Iran but cited no proof. Iran, meanwhile, denied any wrongdoing. Although it’s unclear what exactly happened, the event has stoked fears that a military confrontation between Iran and the United States is imminent.

Truth, however, is the first casualty of war and so it matters little what truly happened. Yet, miscalculation, misinterpretation and bad judgement can conspire to turn a minor clash into a full-blown fight. What we want to know is how a hypothetical conflict between Iran and the United States would play out.

[anatolian]

3 is coming

[CuriousonTruth]

the neocons are even worse than the leftists

At least with the leftists, you don't have politicians taking shekels from Israel in return for bombing Arabs and Persians

my worst social media arguments have been with the neocons. The leftists are just a joke, but these guys are dangerous

Americans are like that school bully who keeps ***** on other guys before someone gives them a whipping.

In facebook, I have seen Americans calling for war not only against Iran but also that they will wipe out China, Russia, muzzlumz, etc. It is fascinating to see the uneducated simpletons bragging about war, not knowing that any war with China or Russia is a MAD (Mutually Assured destruction) scenario. And a few decades from now Pakistan will also achieve that status.

There are liberal "human rights" imperialists as well, but they are less in %. All the leftists I know like J. Dore, Kyle Kulinski, Rational national etc have been completely anti-war.

[Physicist]

But there is something wrong about iranian nuclear program. Sure, they have enough resources to do it long ago.
Looks more like a game. Perhaps any powers in Iran who really aims for it being neutralized and Iran itself plays a role of a decoy

[CuriousonTruth]

But there is something wrong about iranian nuclear program. Sure, they have enough resources to do it long ago.
Looks more like a game. Perhaps any powers in Iran who really aims for it being neutralized and Iran itself plays a role of a decoy

I think Iran was serious about it once. Many of their intermediate ballistic missiles have capability to have nuclear war head. And they even kept it hidden from Russia who is their closest global ally.

I think sometime around 2009, they changed the course and decided against it. Big mistake IMO, they should have gotten a dozen bombs. They made a suicidal deal with Americans, and a few years late USA just tore it down. They made same mistake as Gaddafi. Poor policy

[Physicist]

But it seems that Russia is in similar situation long time.
They don't invent anything anymore.
Those stories about secret weapons like dron-submarine and rocket with nuclear propulsion are just fake stories to excite US public and increase military budget + allow continue reaserch on it.
Perhaps they were even ordered to fake launch tests but failed. Leak of Ru isotope makes think so.
Heard about many cases when inventors were arrested on forged grounds. Most of course left the country.
So, now they can nourish propaganda but be sure that nothing real would come up.

[CuriousonTruth]

But it seems that Russia is in similar situation long time.
They don't invent anything anymore.
Those stories about secret weapons like dron-submarine and rocket with nuclear propulsion are just fake stories to excite US public and increase military budget + allow continue reaserch on it.
Perhaps they were even ordered to fake launch tests but failed. Leak of Ru isotope makes think so.
Heard about many cases when inventors were arrested on forged grounds. Most of course left the country.
So, now they can nourish propaganda but be sure that nothing real would come up.

I don't think so. Their defense system S-400 is much more valued by the world than US Patriots or THAAD. Countries like Turkey and India have burnt bridges to buy the S-400.

They also made their first 5th gen jet Su-57 which is the second best in the world.

Also don't forget about the Satan-2 ICBMs that were showcased a couple of years ago.

[Physicist]

I've seen less positive comments on those products. However, a few well controlled old producers from kept working.
I even doubt if they have working nuclear arsenal, because Pu cores have to be recycled periodically due to accumulation of fission products.

[CuriousonTruth]

I've seen less positive comments on those products. However, a few well controlled old producers from kept working.
I even doubt if they have working nuclear arsenal, because Pu cores have to be recycled periodically due to accumulation of fission products.

Such as? Russia hasn't even sold Su-57s. Their main sales are Su-30s and some Su-35s, which are great jets. Yes Mig-29s are pretty aweful.

S-400 less positive comments? From which comments? Apart from state sponsored ABMs like US GMD or Russia's A135, they are THE best anti-air and anti-missile system on the market.

Also USA's flagship jet project F-35 has had a load of flaws and problems which has delayed the project and cost USA immense money (over a trillion dollars on this one project).

"I even doubt if they have working nuclear arsenal, because Pu cores have to be recycled periodically due to accumulation of fission products."

Why would you doubt? Russia is a world power. They don't need to tell you what they are doing publicly all the time.

The only sector Russia has fallen behind is space research

[Physicist]

I wasn't looking myself into those weapon systems. Well, you can read various opinions, praising or dismissing, doesn't matter, some old toys rooted in soviet era is not an indicator.
I judge by the overall situation, ways of management, moods in research society, sad stories of entrepreneurs, multiple failures from individual tests to big projects like Skolkovo, etc.
Too much waste in human resources and industries for mere coverup.
I would rather believe in ruines rather than in secret facilities.

[DanEdge]

From what I read at the time and reviewed recently, the US-Iran nuclear deal looked pretty good for us. I'm still not exactly sure what the current administration doesn't like about it.

In any case, I think it was Trump that got us here by pulling out of the deal. He backed both himself and Iran leadership into a corner. What else can we do now except take pot shots at each other?

Hopefully things will just simmer and not boil over until we get a new executive in the US in 2020. Whoever it is will be very likely to negotiate a new deal. No one will like the deal, as usual, but it's probably better than us killing each other.

[CuriousonTruth]

From what I read at the time and reviewed recently, the US-Iran nuclear deal looked pretty good for us. I'm still not exactly sure what the current administration doesn't like about it.

In any case, I think it was Trump that got us here by pulling out of the deal. He backed both himself and Iran leadership into a corner. What else can we do now except take pot shots at each other?

Hopefully things will just simmer and not boil over until we get a new executive in the US in 2020. Whoever it is will be very likely to negotiate a new deal. No one will like the deal, as usual, but it's probably better than us killing each other.

You are confident Trump will win. If Biden is the candidate, Trump will crush him.

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This is going to end well. . . . .

Iran: New US sanctions target Supreme Leader Khamenei

US President Donald Trump has said he is imposing hard-hitting new sanctions on Iran, including on the office of the country's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.

Mr Trump said the additional sanctions were in response to the shooting down of a US drone and "many other things".

Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran's highest authority, was singled out because he was "ultimately responsible for the hostile conduct of the regime".

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said the Americans "despise diplomacy".

In a tweet sent after the announcement, Mr Zarif also accused the Trump administration of having a "thirst for war".

Tensions between the two countries have been escalating in recent weeks.

However, US Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said Mr Trump's executive order - which would lock up "billions" of dollars in Iranian assets - was in the works before Tehran shot down an unmanned US drone in the Gulf last week.

The UN Security has urged calm and the use of diplomacy.

Who is affected?

The US Treasury department said eight senior Iranian commanders who "sit atop a bureaucracy that supervises the IRGC's [the elite Islamic Revolution Guard Corps] malicious regional activities", were being targeted.

It added that Mr Trump's executive order would also "deny Iran's leadership access to financial resources and authorises the targeting of persons appointed to certain official or other positions by the Supreme Leader or the Supreme Leader's Office", as well as foreign financial institutions which help them conduct transitions.

Sanctions will also be imposed on Mr Zarif later this week, according to Mr Mnuchin.

Tightening its squeeze

Putting sanctions on the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is significant. He is indeed the Supreme Leader, with the ultimate say in Iran's politics and military - and he has enormous economic power.

He supervises an organisation known as Setad, which confiscated property abandoned after the 1979 revolution and morphed into a business juggernaut with holdings of about $95bn (£75bn).

Setad was already under US sanctions, but President Trump has gone further, targeting anyone connected to the Ayatollah - presumably including those sitting on company boards, or officials in his extensive "shadow government".

So the US administration is tightening the squeeze on already draconian oil and financial sanctions and waiting to see if Tehran will eventually be forced to capitulate and accept negotiations.

The US is demanding that Iran end its nuclear programme, curb its missile production and stop support for partner Arab militias.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has said the "maximum pressure" campaign is denying Iran revenue to support its regional military operations.

That might be the more important goal for hawks such as Mr Pompeo, who has said he doesn't believe the Iranian regime can change in the way the US administration is demanding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48748544

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Donald Trump announced new sanctions yesterday, but Iran's President has responded by calling them "useless, outrageous and idiotic," adding that the White House appears to be "afflicted by mental retardation".

[DanEdge]

You are confident Trump will win. If Biden is the candidate, Trump will crush him.

Trump approval ratings are pretty poor. He appeals to his base, but does very poorly with Independents like me. I just can't see him winning. Then again, I never thought he was going to win last time. We shall see.

[CuriousonTruth]

Trump approval ratings are pretty poor. He appeals to his base, but does very poorly with Independents like me. I just can't see him winning. Then again, I never thought he was going to win last time. We shall see.

They are at 40%+. Which is near Obama's at the end of his term.

Looking at Biden's opinions on Mexicans, racial segregation, etc he seems as bad if not worse than Trump.

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Another update.



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A tanker for a tanker

I don't see what Great Britain has to complain about, considering that they quite literally started it.

TWO British oil tankers with dozens of crew on board were seized by Iran's Revolutionary Guards less than an hour apart today in the Gulf.

The Government's Cobra committee is holding an emergency meeting in Whitehall tonight after the Stena Impero and Mesdar were halted by troops in speedboats and helicopters and diverted to Iran.

The raids came exactly two weeks after Royal Marines boarded a supertanker off Gibraltar suspected of carrying Iranian crude oil to Syria - prompting Tehran to threaten "retaliation".

British-flagged Stena Impero was sailing to the Saudi port of Jubail today but ship tracking data shows it veered off course with a sharp turn north at around 4.17pm UK time. Iran's state news agency IRNA said it had been "impounded" and claimed the tanker had turned off its tracker, ignored warnings from the Revolutionary Guards and was sailing in the wrong direction in a shipping lane.

The Impero was surrounded by four vessels and a helicopter. State-controlled TV claimed the ship was seized because it was "violating international maritime rules". Less than an hour later at around 5pm the Mesdar - Liberian-flagged but operated by the UK firm Norbulk Shipping UK - also turned sharply north towards Iran's coast having been surrounded by ten speedboats after passing westward through the Strait on its way to Ras Tanura.

It looks like the neoclowns couldn't get President Trump to bite, so they've got Theresa May doing their bidding in the hopes of enmeshing the US military that way. I suspect they're desperate to start a war in the Gulf in the hopes of creating a distraction from the coming Epstein-related arrests. And I very much doubt that either the President or the U.S. Navy is going to fall for the neoclown antics.

One article on the Daily Mail finally gets around to admitting that the Iranian response was both provoked and measured by the initial British action.

Fears were raised that the Iranian authorities were trying to seize a UK ship in retaliation for the detention of the Grace 1 tanker. The Iranian ship was detained off the coast of Gibraltar on July 4 after it was suspected of violating EU sanctions by carrying a cargo of crude oil destined for Syria. The ship's captain, chief officer and two second officers were arrested and bailed and an investigation is ongoing.

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called the tanker's seizure an act of 'piracy' on Tuesday and warned the UK to expect a response.

Of course they knew Iran would do something like this. However, I expect they were looking for a more violent escalation. It's a little hard to bang the war drums when the other side is obviously just responding in kind to your own actions.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/07/a...or-tanker.html

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[Ahmed.]

LOLOL!!! Iran is making a mockery out of 'superpower' USA and UK

And now UK says it wants diplomatic solution!

They're too chicken to fight Iran!!!

['Abdullah]

If this war happens then it will be because it is part of God’s plan and in the long run it will benefit Islam even if it take centuries to realize that benefit.

[hamzasyyf]

I'm not a big fan of Iran but I feel bad for them right now.

[Ahmed.]

I'm not a big fan of Iran but I feel bad for them right now.

They're the troublemakers in the region bruv, don't feel bad for them. If it kicks off let's hope this will be the end of this wicked regime

[CuriousonTruth]

They're the troublemakers in the region bruv, don't feel bad for them. If it kicks off let's hope this will be the end of this wicked regime

You don't know what you are talking about.

['Abdullah]

They're the troublemakers in the region bruv, don't feel bad for them. If it kicks off let's hope this will be the end of this wicked regime

No they are not. They are only doing things in their defense. USA and UK are the oppressors and we should never support any oppression against anyone. This is exactly how non Muslims play against us, “Divide and rule.” Muslims need to be united on all fronts.

[Ahmed.]

No they are not. They are only doing things in their defense. USA and UK are the oppressors and we should never support any oppression against anyone. This is exactly how non Muslims play against us, “Divide and rule.” Muslims need to be united on all fronts.

But they're attacking Saudi oil ships aren't they bruv?

[CuriousonTruth]

No they are not. They are only doing things in their defense. USA and UK are the oppressors and we should never support any oppression against anyone. This is exactly how non Muslims play against us, “Divide and rule.” Muslims need to be united on all fronts.

Well Iran just like any powerful country does have aggresive ambitions such as controlling Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain. They also have a soft alliance with Turkey and Qatar now.

So yeah they also have killed people and civilians for their ambitions. We must recognize this.

But a muslim state that does wrong is still better than bootlicker states like KSA, UAE, Egypt, etc.

My solution is that Iran must be contained within borders and must come to a point where they realize they need to work with Sunnis for their own survival.

Let me make this clear Iran is the most advanced in muslim world in ballistic missile technology and satellite technology, under sanctions. It's not a lot, but it's something.

['Abdullah]

It is typical Shia, Sunni rift fueled by USA only to gain political power and protect greater Israel. America is selling weapons to KSA so they can fight against Iran. Just like they planned 9/11 to justify war against terrorism, now they are playing games to start war against Iran by accusing Iran of attacks on oil tankers. Sadly Saudi king and prince is playing in the hands of Americans. Why did America not condemn actions of Saudi prince when story of Jamal's Murder was made public? Why is Trump selling $350 billion worth of weapons to KSA?

Why we have sanctions on Iran to begin with? Only because Iran is planning to have nuclear power? Does not Iran has right to protect its borders just like USA and other countries have? Iran even agreed to cut down its nuclear research and was following the nuclear treaty which they made with several countries including USA but Trump had other thoughts and pushed for economical sanctions on Iran even though Iran did not violate any treaty. If having nuclear power is considered as dangerous then the most dangerous country in the world is USA who has nuclear power and is the only country who has also used it to kill many. Probably USA is the one which should be banned from any nuclear research. But might is always right and we lack the courage to call out the real bad guys.

If Muslims remained divided as they are, then after Iran it may be Yemen or Qatar or Sudan or Pakistan and eventually Saudi Arabia. It’s a test for Muslims and Muslims unfortunately are divided more than ever before.

[SintoDinto]

It is typical Shia, Sunni rift fueled by USA only to gain political power and protect greater Israel. America is selling weapons to KSA so they can fight against Iran. Just like they planned 9/11 to justify war against terrorism, now they are playing games to start war against Iran by accusing Iran of attacks on oil tankers. Sadly Saudi king and prince is playing in the hands of Americans. Why did America not condemn actions of Saudi prince when story of Jamal's Murder was made public? Why is Trump selling $350 billion worth of weapons to KSA?

Why we have sanctions on Iran to begin with? Only because Iran is planning to have nuclear power? Does not Iran has right to protect its borders just like USA and other countries have? Iran even agreed to cut down its nuclear research and was following the nuclear treaty which they made with several countries including USA but Trump had other thoughts and pushed for economical sanctions on Iran even though Iran did not violate any treaty. If having nuclear power is considered as dangerous then the most dangerous country in the world is USA who has nuclear power and is the only country who has also used it to kill many. Probably USA is the one which should be banned from any nuclear research. But might is always right and we lack the courage to call out the real bad guys.

If Muslims remained divided as they are, then after Iran it may be Yemen or Qatar or Sudan or Pakistan and eventually Saudi Arabia. It’s a test for Muslims and Muslims unfortunately are divided more than ever before.

anyone who arms people for the DELIBERATE attacks on civilians for political gain is a TERRORIST by DEFINITION and therefore Iran is TERRORIST, and worthy of war, so don't let "all believers are brothers" cloud your judgement.

['Abdullah]

anyone who arms people for the DELIBERATE attacks on civilians for political gain is a TERRORIST by DEFINITION and therefore Iran is TERRORIST, and worthy of war, so don't let "all believers are brothers" cloud your judgement.

Saudi Arabia also falls into that category by this criteria. May Allah guide us to follow Islam in its true spirits.

[Ahmed.]

Iranian regime are kuffars guys and never have been our brothers.

Let's get our heads out of the sand too. Don't we know what they've done and are doing in Iraq Syria and Yemen these guys are the cancer Ebola and aids put together of that region.

[CuriousonTruth]

Iranian regime are kuffars guys and never have been our brothers.

Let's get our heads out of the sand too. Don't we know what they've done and are doing in Iraq Syria and Yemen these guys are the cancer Ebola and aids put together of that region.

Are you real? Any ambitious nation that wants to rule large land and populace have to do so by force.

Also if you actually knew anything about Iran and Iranian people, you would realize in the whole country the Kho Regine is closest to Islam

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Saudi Arabia also falls into that category by this criteria. May Allah guide us to follow Islam in its true spirits.

He's not Saudi supporter, he's a liberal secularists that supports CHP Kemalism, HDP Communists, etc. He also hates Erdogan and other islamists.

And he is also a radical American supporter.

The only reason we overlook his "beliefs" is because of his mental problems.

[Silas]

No they are not. They are only doing things in their defense. USA and UK are the oppressors and we should never support any oppression against anyone. This is exactly how non Muslims play against us, “Divide and rule.” Muslims need to be united on all fronts.

The American people do not want any kind of conflict with Iran (or anyone else in the Middle-East). This conflict is being pushed by Jewish neocons and Zionists who control our government and own our politicians.

[Ahmed.]

They are kuffar guys without a doubt; These munafiqs are Ithna Ashariya (Twelver Shi'as);

There are many sects of Shiism and each sect has a different set of beliefs, therefore not all Shias can be classified as non-believers. If the Shia does not believe in completeness of the Qur’an, chastity of Aisha (Radhiyallahu Anha), Imaan of the Sahaba (Radhiyallahu Anhum), etc., then he is out of the fold of Islam and is a disbeliever. The Ithna Ashariya sect holds these views, as a result they will not be considered to be Muslims.

http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/15436


@CuriousonTruth sorry bruv gtg I'll answer your post later

['Abdullah]

The American people do not want any kind of conflict with Iran (or anyone else in the Middle-East). This conflict is being pushed by Jewish neocons and Zionists who control our government and own our politicians.

That's true. That's why I often say that America is ruled by lobbyists. We have a broken democracy and need to fix our own problems instead of trying to fix world problems.

['Abdullah]

They are kuffar guys without a doubt; These munafiqs are Ithna Ashariya (Twelver Shi'as);

There are many sects of Shiism and each sect has a different set of beliefs, therefore not all Shias can be classified as non-believers. If the Shia does not believe in completeness of the Qur’an, chastity of Aisha (Radhiyallahu Anha), Imaan of the Sahaba (Radhiyallahu Anhum), etc., then he is out of the fold of Islam and is a disbeliever. The Ithna Ashariya sect holds these views, as a result they will not be considered to be Muslims.

http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/15436


@CuriousonTruth sorry bruv gtg I'll answer your post later

Brothers and sisters in Islam,

Islam teaches us to be one Umma. We will always succeed if we are united. Anyone who believes in Allah and all Prophets including Prophet Muhammad PBUH is a Muslim. You and I have no authority to call a Muslim "Kafir." We have our differences and those are well known. If we can tolerate Non-Muslims in a Muslim society why can't we tolerate different sects in Islam? Let Allah decide differences between us on the Day of Judgement.

We need to see how Prophet Muhammad PBUH created one Umma in Medina. Abdullah ibn Ubayy is well known as chief of all hypocrites. Did Prophet Muhammad PBUH called him Kafir? Prophet Muhammad PBUH gave his own clothes to the son of Abdullah Ibn Ubayy to be used as his kafun (piece of cloth to wrap the dead body." He PBUH even prayed his janaza even though Umer (May Allah be pleased with him ) advised not to do so. Why did Prophet Muhammad PBUH did this? Because he was hoping that Allah may forgive him. Because he did not want Muslims to divide on this issue. Do we ever learn any lesson for the life of Prophet Muhammad PBUH? Remember the story of Taif? What did Prophet Muhammad PBUH said undisputedly on the worse day of his life? He did not ask angel to destroy people of Taif, He PBUH was hoping that next generation from Taif may one day become Muslim. Muhammad Bin Qasim who brought Islam to Pakistan and India was descendant of people of Taif.

I am literally very hurt by such ignorance among Muslims. We are supposed to be like one body, if one part of this body is hurt whole body should feel the pain. And here we are being happy if some one attacks on Iran? We are so divided. Muslims are being humiliated all over the world and that's not our issue because we only care when someone attacks us. This is how USA and his allies destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Palestine,....

Muslims will be in this state of humiliation until we become one nation. May Allah make us one Umma (Nation). Ameen!
If any Muslim scholar tell us otherwise, tell them to stop dividing the nation and stop listening to those who only spread hate out of ignorance or to promote their own agenda.

May Allah guide us to true understanding of Islam.

Note I am not talking about ISIS and Al-Qaida here, they don't follow Quran and hence their actions are hurting Muslims all over the world. We should stand up against them and I know majority of the Muslims rightly do so. My focus on this post was purely on different sects in Islam who differ in ideology without any extreme actions to hurt the image of Muslims in general.

[hamzasyyf]

They're the troublemakers in the region bruv, don't feel bad for them. If it kicks off let's hope this will be the end of this wicked regime

I heard about them oppressing Sunnis which, being one myself, I can't respect, but to be honest bruv the way that America and Britain are messing with them, I still feel bad for them bruv. Feels like another Iraq is coming.

[CuriousonTruth]

The American people do not want any kind of conflict with Iran (or anyone else in the Middle-East). This conflict is being pushed by Jewish neocons and Zionists who control our government and own our politicians.

I don't think you can speak for all Americans. I can tell you the "Call of Duty" American patriot type teenagers whose whole idea of how war works is "Nuke dat b***h and send'em to the Stone Age" are everywhere.

And also if you look at military/defense forums, you will find same responses. A lot of them are interested in seeing their F-35s and other new tech military hardware in action.

Even the ones who oppose war, only do so because it will ruin America's economy and also possibility of casualty between 50000-100000 of American soldiers, not because the give a damn about human rights and other nonsense the West keeps harping about.

Then there are rednecks, white supremacists, Evangelicals, etc.

Also point to be noted, everytime US presidents declares war on another country or tries to overthrow foreign government, the positive approval goes up. . For exmple, after Kenedy tried to invade Bay of Pigs in Cuba, Kenedy's popularity went higher by 5%.

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They are kuffar guys without a doubt; These munafiqs are Ithna Ashariya (Twelver Shi'as);

There are many sects of Shiism and each sect has a different set of beliefs, therefore not all Shias can be classified as non-believers. If the Shia does not believe in completeness of the Qur’an, chastity of Aisha (Radhiyallahu Anha), Imaan of the Sahaba (Radhiyallahu Anhum), etc., then he is out of the fold of Islam and is a disbeliever. The Ithna Ashariya sect holds these views, as a result they will not be considered to be Muslims.

http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/15436


@CuriousonTruth sorry bruv gtg I'll answer your post later

You are involving religion too much into a political issue. Iran's goal is to be the dominant force in the region, to that end they even allied with Sunni groups like Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc.

They use shias forces more because Shia militants are more loyal to Iran (naturally) and they know they can keep arab shias under full control using religion.

Although I would prefer Turkey to be the dominant muslim state in that region, it wouldn't be a bad thing if Iran-Turkey worked together to destroy the GCC. Nothing has harmed muslim world more than Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, etc.

[keiv]

I don't think you can speak for all Americans. I can tell you the "Call of Duty" American patriot type teenagers whose whole idea of how war works is "Nuke dat b***h and send'em to the Stone Age" are everywhere.

And also if you look at military/defense forums, you will find same responses. A lot of them are interested in seeing their F-35s and other new tech military hardware in action.

Even the ones who oppose war, only do so because it will ruin America's economy and also possibility of casualty between 50000-100000 of American soldiers, not because the give a damn about human rights and other nonsense the West keeps harping about.

Then there are rednecks, white supremacists, Evangelicals, etc.

Also point to be noted, everytime US presidents declares war on another country or tries to overthrow foreign government, the positive approval goes up. . For exmple, after Kenedy tried to invade Bay of Pigs in Cuba, Kenedy's popularity went higher by 5%.

Basically, this.

There have been many different videos of people off the street getting interviewed and asked about how they feel about the Middle East, war, Muslims, Arabs, etc. and the responses, although not surprising, were interesting to say the least. Not to say everyone is hell bent on going to war, but to make a blanket statement that the American people don't want conflict in the Middle East is far from the truth. It's also not uncommon to personally hear from people who agree with the notion of wanting to "bomb them"

[Ahmed.]

I heard about them oppressing Sunnis which, being one myself, I can't respect, but to be honest bruv the way that America and Britain are messing with them, I still feel bad for them bruv. Feels like another Iraq is coming.

Bruv I understand you're feelings and concern however I've been following this from the beginning and although USA and UK are usually the oppressors, this time it's evil Iran that started the messing

They bombed four Saudi oil ships (or ships that was taking Saudi oil) and only then a USA war ship moved into the gulf and despite that right under the nose of that USA war ship the Iranians bombed another two oil ships...

So it's evil Iran in the wrong bro. I understand the West may be doing Iran wrong before all of this started but why should they bomb oil ships of other gulf countries? This is why they need to be put in their place by USA and UK

That laughter of mines of the mockery Iran is making out of the West could have been mistaken by you for support of Iran but that was just a swipe at the West as after all they are our enemies too! ;)

I am concerned too about another war starting because thousands of innocent civilians inevitably die in wars, this is why I said IF it kicks off. We shouldn't want war but if Allah wills it then in that circumstance let's hope this evil regime will be blasted to kingdom come :)

[CuriousonTruth]

Bruv I understand you're feelings and concern however I've been following this from the beginning and although USA and UK are usually the oppressors, this time it's evil Iran that started the messing

They bombed four Saudi oil ships (or ships that was taking Saudi oil) and only then a USA war ship moved into the gulf and despite that right under the nose of that USA war ship the Iranians bombed another two oil ships...

So it's evil Iran in the wrong bro. I understand the West may be doing Iran wrong before all of this started but why should they bomb oil ships of other gulf countries? This is why they need to be put in their place by USA and UK

That laughter of mines of the mockery Iran is making out of the West could have been mistaken by you for support of Iran but that was just a swipe at the West as after all they are our enemies too! ;)

Put in their place by UK? UK are already begging to Iran to let their tankers go. No one counts that decrepit, fossilized country as more than a glorified sidekick.

The accusation by GCC was that Iran supposedly 'attacked' UAE tankers, a complete false flag attack of course.

Even if it was true, I would support Iran because Saudis are the single source of Salafi/Wahabbi terrorism and has funded terrorists like ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabab.

Saudi Arabia also funded the coups against FIS in Algeria and against the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. UAE funded coup against Erdogan.

Ideally I would like Turkey to reconquer Hejaz and send the twisted Salafist arabs to hell. But if Iran is doing that, then good for them. I support them against KSA, UAE, Bahrain, Egypt, Haftar, etc.

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Bruv I understand you're feelings and concern however I've been following this from the beginning and although USA and UK are usually the oppressors, this time it's evil Iran that started the messing

They bombed four Saudi oil ships (or ships that was taking Saudi oil) and only then a USA war ship moved into the gulf and despite that right under the nose of that USA war ship the Iranians bombed another two oil ships...

So it's evil Iran in the wrong bro. I understand the West may be doing Iran wrong before all of this started but why should they bomb oil ships of other gulf countries? This is why they need to be put in their place by USA and UK

That laughter of mines of the mockery Iran is making out of the West could have been mistaken by you for support of Iran but that was just a swipe at the West as after all they are our enemies too! ;)

I am concerned too about another war starting because thousands of innocent civilians inevitably die in wars, this is why I said IF it kicks off. We shouldn't want war but if Allah wills it then in that circumstance let's hope this evil regime will be blasted to kingdom come :)

Another point to add any non-Europeans who supports an invasion by a white country against an indigenous non-European nation is either retarded or diabolical. Pick your choice.

[Ahmed.]

Put in their place by UK? UK are already begging to Iran to let their tankers go. No one counts that decrepit, fossilized country as more than a glorified sidekick.

The accusation by GCC was that Iran supposedly 'attacked' UAE tankers, a complete false flag attack of course.

Even if it was true, I would support Iran because Saudis are the single source of Salafi/Wahabbi terrorism and has funded terrorists like ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabab.

Saudi Arabia also funded the coups against FIS in Algeria and against the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. UAE funded coup against Erdogan.

Ideally I would like Turkey to reconquer Hejaz and send the twisted Salafist arabs to hell. But if Iran is doing that, then good for them. I support them against KSA, UAE, Bahrain, Egypt, Haftar, etc.

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Another point to add any non-Europeans who supports an invasion by a white country against an indigenous non-European nation is either retarded or diabolical. Pick your choice.

HEY bruv why you supporting this evil regime?

I know West taking over Iran isn't a good thing either but it's the lesser evil; it's better to have a goddamn Rothschild central bank in Iran then Iran slaughtering our Sunni civilians all over the middle East!. Also they are a threat to the two holy cities of Makkah and Medinah; the whole of Islam is under threat from these munafiqs. I was surprised brother @HabibUrrehman seems clueless to all of this

[CuriousonTruth]

HEY bruv why you supporting this evil regime?

I know West taking over Iran isn't a good thing either but it's the lesser evil; it's better to have a goddamn Rothschild central bank in Iran then Iran slaughtering our Sunni civilians all over the middle East!. Also they are a threat to the two holy cities of Makkah and Medinah; the whole of Islam is under threat from these munafiqs. I was surprised brother @HabibUrrehman seems clueless to all of this

Iran is one of the few countries in the world where the leadership has a brain of it's own.

Makkah and Madina under threat? The two cities have been under an all-out assault by the Saudi Wahabbis that destroyed 96% of all Islamic heritage sites, made toilets on the place where He. Khadija:s house was.

Then to replace Islam they built their western towers that stand tall over even the minarets of kaaba.

Makkah is now nothing but a glorified tourist destination sold using religion.

And I really hate this constant use of religion to justify some of the most absurd ideas. "Sunni brothers" LMAO.

What did Saudis do to the Sunni brothers in Algeria, Egypt and tried to destroy the Sunni party in Turkey.

Tell us, regale us of your stories of Sunni brotherhood (something that is as non-existent as Hindu mythology).

['Abdullah]

HEY bruv why you supporting this evil regime?

I know West taking over Iran isn't a good thing either but it's the lesser evil; it's better to have a goddamn Rothschild central bank in Iran then Iran slaughtering our Sunni civilians all over the middle East!. Also they are a threat to the two holy cities of Makkah and Medinah; the whole of Islam is under threat from these munafiqs. I was surprised brother @HabibUrrehman seems clueless to all of this

“There is one common gain and one common loss for all Muslims. (Remember the Prophet’s hadith that all Muslims are like a body.) Famous Urdu Poet Iqbal said:

“Manf-e-at ek hai is qaum ki nuqsaan bhi ekEk hi sab ka nabi deen bhi iman bhi ek
Harame paak bhi Allah bhi Quran bhi ek
Kuchh bari baat thi hote jo Musalman bhi ek”

In English Translation this means: " One Prophet (PBUH) for all and one Iman for all. One Ka’aba, one Allah and one Qur’an for all. How great it would be if Muslims were one too!”


Let us pray to Allah to unite our hearts in the path of Islam. It is Allah’s promise that if we do that, then we will regain our dignity, power, and glory (24:55). And Allah does not break His promise (2:80).

[hamzasyyf]

Bruv I understand you're feelings and concern however I've been following this from the beginning and although USA and UK are usually the oppressors, this time it's evil Iran that started the messing

They bombed four Saudi oil ships (or ships that was taking Saudi oil) and only then a USA war ship moved into the gulf and despite that right under the nose of that USA war ship the Iranians bombed another two oil ships...

So it's evil Iran in the wrong bro. I understand the West may be doing Iran wrong before all of this started but why should they bomb oil ships of other gulf countries? This is why they need to be put in their place by USA and UK

That laughter of mines of the mockery Iran is making out of the West could have been mistaken by you for support of Iran but that was just a swipe at the West as after all they are our enemies too! ;)

I am concerned too about another war starting because thousands of innocent civilians inevitably die in wars, this is why I said IF it kicks off. We shouldn't want war but if Allah wills it then in that circumstance let's hope this evil regime will be blasted to kingdom come :)

Yes, while I'd hate to see a war in Iran due to all the innocent deaths and would prefer that the regime would be overthrown in a less violent way, at least if this war happens the regime will be gone, insha'allah.

[Ahmed.]

Yes, while I'd hate to see a war in Iran due to all the innocent deaths and would prefer that the regime would be overthrown in a less violent way, at least if this war happens the regime will be gone, insha'allah.

InshAllah!

It's just common sense what you wrote there bro, I'm surprised that the incredible evil nature of this regime escapes the eyes of any!

But may be not surprised by @CuriousonTruth view as he's always had 'odd' views :)

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Sorry missed this.

"certain forces"

The Iranians are not fooled by the "escalating crisis" either:

As Tehran and London trade accusations over the seized tankers, Iran’s ambassador in London warns that certain forces in the UK aim to use the crisis to boost tensions even further. Ramping up pressure would be dangerous and “unwise,” Hamid Hamid Baeidinejad warned in a tweet on his personal account on Sunday.

That’s why it’s key now for the UK government to “contain those domestic political forces who want to escalate existing tension between Iran and the UK well beyond the issue of ships.”

That said, Tehran is “firm and ready for different scenarios,” Baeidinejad said.

Translation: Iran knows it's the neoclowns trying to draw the USA into war against Iran using the UK. President Trump knows it's the neoclowns trying to draw him into war against Iran using the UK. The admirals and generals of the US military know it's the neoclowns. And they all know this is now happening due to the neoclowns' inability to start a war with Russia in the 2015-2018 period.

No one is fooled in the slightest. Send them back too, Mr. President.

As for the recent troops movements into Saudi Arabia, that probably has far more to do with the fact that the Saudis are losing their war with the Houthis in Yemen than anything to do with Iran.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/07/certain-forces.html


Iran hints at ship swap with UK amid de-escalation efforts

Hassan Rouhani spoke after Iraqi president’s visit to Iran at request of UK defence ministry

Iran has indicated it wants to de-escalate the British-Iranian crisis, hinting at swapping two captured tankers.

“We do not seek the continuation of tension with some European countries,” Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, said on Wednesday during a weekly cabinet meeting. “If Britain steps away from the wrong actions in Gibraltar, they will receive an appropriate response from Iran.”

He was speaking after a two-day visit by Iraq’s prime minister, Adil Abdul-Mahdi, who had revealed he went to Tehran this week partly at the request of the UK defence secretary, Penny Mordaunt, to negotiate the release of the captured British-flagged ship Stena Impero seized by Iranian forces in the strait of Hormuz last Friday.

The Iraqi prime minister revealed that on Monday “there was a phone call with the British defence minister to discuss bilateral ties, the regional crisis, and efforts of de-escalation and decreasing tensions in the region, and also the existing crisis covering the confiscated ships”. Iraq is a strong opponent of US sanctions against Iran.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lation-efforts

The American people do not want any kind of conflict with Iran (or anyone else in the Middle-East). This conflict is being pushed by Jewish neocons and Zionists who control our government and own our politicians.

I partially agree, I think many Americans are getting tired of engaging in endless war, even the usual suspects are speaking out more and more against this.

[hamzasyyf]

InshAllah!

It's just common sense what you wrote there bro, I'm surprised that the incredible evil nature of this regime escapes the eyes of any!

But may be not surprised by @CuriousonTruth view as he's always had 'odd' views :)

Mashallah.
I'm not big on Saudi Arabia either due to their love of America and oil etc. however the Iranian regime is far worse.

[CuriousonTruth]

https://time.com/5631495/iran-cia-spies/

Iran arrests 17 CIA spies and allegedly executed some of them

| Time Breaking news and analysis from TIME.com. Politics, world news, photos, video, tech reviews, health, science and entertainment news....

[Ahmed.]

Mashallah.
I'm not big on Saudi Arabia either due to their love of America and oil etc. however the Iranian regime is far worse.

I'm no big fan of Saudi either but Allah has given the middle East oil for a reason. It's what keeps our holy lands safe from invasion in these days when Muslims are powerless and kuffar are the superpower. If it weren't for Saudi oil business with West then Saudi would have been invaded by now

Also Saudi and Arab gulf countries having a strong economy is essential to keeping Iran from grabbing Yemen... and Iran's actions are all calculated to debilitate these Sunni countries to further it's evil machinations

[hamzasyyf]

I'm no big fan of Saudi either but Allah has given the middle East oil for a reason. It's what keeps our holy lands safe from invasion in these days when Muslims are powerless and kuffar are the superpower. If it weren't for Saudi oil business with West then Saudi would have been invaded by now

Also Saudi and Arab gulf countries having a strong economy is essential to keeping Iran from grabbing Yemen... and Iran's actions are all calculated to debilitate these Sunni countries to further it's evil machinations

Yes, while the oil making the holy lands safe from invasion is good, I care a lot about the environment and sadly oil is also doing damage to this world that Allah has given us. I at least hope Iran never get their grubby hands on pure Mecca and Medina like I've heard them talk about.

[Ahmed.]

Yes, while the oil making the holy lands safe from invasion is good, I care a lot about the environment and sadly oil is also doing damage to this world that Allah has given us. I at least hope Iran never get their grubby hands on pure Mecca and Medina like I've heard them talk about.

This world is temporary brother and not going to last for billions of years more like the kuffar think. We have a few hundred years at the most.... so as long as fracking is avoided, oil production is fine! Let's 'milk' this earth for all its worth!

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Another escalation, Israel is now attacks Iranian targets in Iraq.

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Israel reportedly attacked Iranian targets in Iraq on July 19, the London-based Sharq al-Awsat newspaper reported Tuesday morning.

According to the report, the July 19 attack in Iraq was "carried out by an Israeli F-35 aircraft" at a military base in the Diyala province in eastern Iraq, 80 km from the Iranian border, killing some 40 members from the Islamic Republic's Revolutionary Guards, Iraqi sources said.

Western diplomats told the Arabic international newspaper that Israel has expanded its scope of attacks against Iran in Syria and Iraq.

The Israeli Air Force reportedly attacked an Iranian missile plant for the second time this month in a military camp northeast of Baghdad.

The sources said the attack was aimed at a shipment of ballistic missile launchers that were recently transported from Iran to Iraq as well as positions of Revolutionary Guard officers and members of the Iraqi Badr Brigade loyal to Iran.

Camp Ashraf, as it is known, is considered one of the largest military bases in eastern Iraq, with more than 4,000 troops and underground facilities that store rockets, tanks and heavy artillery. The camp is the headquarters of the Badr Brigades, the largest pro-Tehran force in Iraq.

The diplomatic sources also reportedly confirmed that Israel was behind last week's attacks on Dara and Tel al-Khara in Syria that killed at least six Iranians in order to "prevent Iran from taking control of this strategic hill.

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Iran warns Israel against aiding US mission in Strait of Hormuz

Tehran says it will have the right to take action if Israel becomes involved in the US-led naval mission

Iran has warned Israel against aiding a United States-led maritime mission in the Gulf, saying it reserved the right to confront such a "clear threat".

The comments on Friday by foreign ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi came after Israeli media reported that Israel's Minister of Foreign Affairs Israel Katz had told colleagues in a closed-door meeting on Tuesday that the country was assisting the US-led coalition with intelligence and other unspecified aid.

Israeli officials have declined to confirm or deny the reports about Israel's involvement in the naval mission that the US has said is needed to "combat Iranian aggression" in the strategically important Strait of Hormuz.

In a statement, Mousavi said Iran would view any support offered by Israel as a "clear threat to its security, sovereignty, and territorial integrity, and a crisis-provoking and destabilising element" in the region.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran reserves the right to counter this threat and defend its territory within the framework of the country's deterrence and defensive policy, and will have no hesitation in translating it into action as part of its defensive policies," he added.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...113216286.html

[CuriousonTruth]

I'm no big fan of Saudi either but Allah has given the middle East oil for a reason. It's what keeps our holy lands safe from invasion in these days when Muslims are powerless and kuffar are the superpower. If it weren't for Saudi oil business with West then Saudi would have been invaded by now

Also Saudi and Arab gulf countries having a strong economy is essential to keeping Iran from grabbing Yemen... and Iran's actions are all calculated to debilitate these Sunni countries to further it's evil machinations

Allah has given more resources to USA, Russia, Norway, Venezuela, South America, India, South Africa, Australia, Brazil, etc.

Your beliefs are religious superstitions and your general ignorance at its finest. As is your horrible lack of knowledge in Geopolitics. At this point there is no point in trying to correct you. All I can say is do some research before blindly accepting whatever your imam/mufti/whatever tells you.

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Yes, while the oil making the holy lands safe from invasion is good, I care a lot about the environment and sadly oil is also doing damage to this world that Allah has given us. I at least hope Iran never get their grubby hands on pure Mecca and Medina like I've heard them talk about.

The oil wealth goes straight to US petrol dollar system. As for keeping holy lands "safe", how is a regime that broke rules of fighting in Makkah, to kill tens of thousands of muslims to capture it, lost it, then negotiated with the British to re-administer it be considered a valid "guardian". 95% of all islamic heritage and historical sites have been destroyed by the barbaric, illiterate, savage bedouins.

I don't think Iran is the right candidate to replace Saudis, but Turkey for sure one day should re-capture Hejaz. If they need an alliance with Iran, Iran can have Eastern portions of Arabian Peninsula.

But KSA and UAE needs to be removed from the map.

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Israel blamed for blast in Iran-backed militia weapons depot in Baghdad

Unnamed security source tells Saudi-owned daily that the war that Israel has been waging against Iran In Syria has now spread to Iraq

A former Iraqi deputy prime minister on Wednesday indicated Israel was responsible for a massive explosion earlier this week in a weapons depot controlled by an Iranian-backed Shiite militia in Baghdad.

“We believe they are weapons we were holding onto for a neighboring state and they were targeted by an oppressive colonial state on the basis of a treasonous Iraqi act,” former deputy prime minister Baha al-Araji wrote on Twitter on Tuesday.

An unnamed security source on Wednesday also told the Asharq al-Awsat, an Arabic-language newspaper published in London, that Israel was behind the strike.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iraqi-...weapons-depot/

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A powerful bloc in Iraq’s parliament called on Monday for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, following a series of airstrikes targeting Iran-backed Shiite militias in the country that have been blamed on Israel.

The Fatah Coalition said it holds the United States fully responsible for the alleged Israeli aggression, “which we consider to be a declaration of war on Iraq and its people.” The coalition is a parliament bloc representing Iran-backed paramilitary militias known as the Popular Mobilization Forces.

The coalition’s statement came a day after a drone strike in the western Iraqi town of Qaim killed a commander with the forces — the latest in strikes apparently conducted by Israel against the Iranian-backed militias in Iraq. It added that U.S. troops are no longer needed in Iraq.

The Shiite militiamen, meanwhile, held a funeral procession in Baghdad for the commander killed Sunday.
“There is no greater God but God!” the mourners shouted as they marched behind a banner with the words “Death to America” and “Death to Israel.” Some trampled on an American flag as they marched.

Anger is mounting in Iraq following a spate of mysterious airstrikes that have targeted military bases and weapons depot belonging to Iran-backed militias. The drone attacks have not been claimed by any side but U.S. officials have said Israeli was behind at least one of the attacks that killed two Iranian commanders on July 19.

The Shiite militias have blamed the attacks on Israel but hold its ally the United States ultimately responsible. The attacks are threatening to destabilize security in Iraq, which has struggled to remain neutral in the conflict between Washington and Tehran.

“These strikes won’t break us, they’ll make us stronger,” the militias’ Lt. Gen. Hussein Abed Muttar told The Associated Press at the funeral.

Along with the commander, another member of the Shiite militia was also killed in the drone attack on Sunday evening near the Qaim border crossing with Syria. The attack targeted vehicles belonging to the Hezbollah Brigades faction, also known as Brigade 45, which operate under the umbrella of the state-sanctioned Shiite militias.

U.S. forces withdrew from Iraq in 2011, but returned in 2014 at the invitation of the government to help battle the Islamic State group after it seized vast areas in the north and west of the country, including Iraq’s second-largest city, Mosul. A U.S.-led coalition provided crucial air support as Iraqi forces regrouped and, together with the PMF, drove IS out in a costly three-year campaign.

The U.S. maintains about 5,000 troops in Iraq, and some groups say there’s no longer a justification for them to be there now that IS has been defeated.

“While we reserve the right to respond to these Zionist attacks, we hold the international coalition, particularly the United States, fully responsible for this aggression which we consider a declaration of war on Iraq and its people,” the statement by the Fatah Coalition said.

Iraqi President Barham Saleh hosted a meeting later Monday that included the prime minister and parliament speaker as well as PMF militia leaders to discuss the recent attacks.

A statement issued after the meeting avoided blaming the drone attacks on any specific country, but described it as a “blatant act of aggression” aimed at dragging the PMF away from its ongoing role of eradicating remnants of the Islamic State group.

Absent from the meeting were the leaders of two of the most powerful factions strongly allied to Iran, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and Qais al-Khazali. An official who attended the meeting said they were in Iran.

https://www.apnews.com/53a6e83ad61740d18efd957d8ccefb4b

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Israel has been blamed for a string of attacks against Iranian-allied forces in three countries over the weekend. That's raised tensions across the Middle East.

Early on Monday, three Israeli air strikes reportedly hit a base belonging to a Palestinian group in Lebanon - in the town of Qusaya near the border with Syria.

Those attacks came a day after two Israeli drones caused damage in Lebanon's capital, Beirut.

One hit a building housing the media office of Iranian-backed Hezbollah in the city's southern suburbs. Another Israeli drone exploded in the air, in the same area.

And on Saturday, Israeli forces carried out drone attacks in Iraq and Syria. One is reported to have killed a fighter from Iraq's Popular Mobilisation Forces. Israel did not respond to accusations that its assault killed at least one fighter from Iraq's Popular Mobilisation Forces.

But Benjamin Netanyahu says an operation in Damascus which triggered Syrian anti-aircraft fire, was to prevent a drone attack on Israel by Iran. So, why is Benjamin Netanyahu escalating tension with Tehran?

[Ahmed.]

Our enemies bombed our other enemy?

Hip hip hooray!!!! :)

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Iran sets 2 conditions for talks with US

Trump: We are not looking for leadership change in Iran

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Chief of Staff of the President of Iran Mahmoud Vaezi has said that Washington “must build confidence and lift sanctions” imposed on the country before starting dialogue with Tehran, the New Khaleej reported yesterday.

Vaezi denied reports that a meeting was to be held between Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and his American counterpart Donald Trump.

“We, the Iranian government and the foreign ministry, are exploiting all efforts to lift the sanctions imposed on Tehran,” Vaezi said, adding: “Holding a meeting just for a meeting does not solve the problem.”

The US should correct its “mistakes” with regards imposing sanctions on Iran if it wants to resume relations with the Islamic Republic, Vaezi said.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...talks-with-us/

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Its looks likely that Iran played a role in attacking the Saudi oil installations so Ill post this here.

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#Houthi rebels in #Yemen took credit for the #SaudiOilAttacks, but an in-depth look reveals the making of an alarming new pattern.

A barrage of projectiles and drone strikes damaged two separate crude oil processing and stabilisation facilities belonging to Saudi Aramco in the east of Saudi Arabia. The resulting destruction of the infrastructure cut daily oil production by 5.7 million barrels, amounting to 5 percent of the global daily output.

Houthi rebels in Yemen took credit for the attacks, but a more in-depth look at the motive and capacity reveals that this is, in fact, the third such assault against Saudi Arabia’s energy infrastructure, which shows that an alarming new pattern is taking shape.



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4GW goes geo-strategic

I'm not the only one who has noticed that the Yemeni drone attacks on Saudi Arabia have significantly changed the geo-strategic situation as well as the prospects for future war:

The devastating attack on Saudi oil facilities by drones and missiles not only transforms the balance of military power in the Middle East, but marks a change in the nature of warfare globally.

On the morning of 14 September, 18 drones and seven cruise missiles – all cheap and unsophisticated compared to modern military aircraft – disabled half of Saudi Arabia’s crude oil production and raised the world price of oil by 20 per cent.

This happened despite the Saudis spending $67.6bn (£54bn) on their defence budget last year, much of it on vastly expensive aircraft and air defence systems, which notably failed to stop the attack. The US defence budget stands at $750bn (£600.2bn), and its intelligence budget at $85bn (£68bn), but the US forces in the Gulf did not know what was happening until it was all over.

Excuses advanced for this failure include the drones flying too low to be detected and unfairly coming from a direction different from the one that might have been expected. Such explanations sound pathetic when set against the proud boasts of the arms manufacturers and military commanders about the effectiveness of their weapons systems.

Debate is ongoing about whether it was the Iranians or the Houthis who carried out the attack, the likely answer being a combination of the two, but perhaps with Iran orchestrating the operation and supplying the equipment. But over-focus on responsibility diverts attention from a much more important development: a middle ranking power like Iran, under sanctions and with limited resources and expertise, acting alone or through allies, has inflicted crippling damage on theoretically much better-armed Saudi Arabia which is supposedly defended by the US, the world’s greatest military super-power.

This is potentially very good news for humanity, in much the same way and for much the same reason that Minutemen defeating British regulars with cheap, readily-available musketry was good news. Historian Carroll Quigley observed that the democratization of weaponry tended to expand human freedom, while the monopolization of it tended to reduce it.

Today, it is the common man who has to fear the SWAT raid or the drone strike ordered by the rich and powerful. Tomorrow, the rich and the powerful will be every bit as vulnerable to the common man who is wronged by their actions.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/09/4...strategic.html

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Israel and the West Do Not Have the Means to Counter Iranian Technology

The following is a translation of today’s Israel’s News 12 headline article. The article explores the lessons delivered by the recent attack on Saudi oil facilities. Though I, like many other commentators, am not convinced that the attack had anything to do with Iran, the attack showed that Iran’s weaponry is likely superior to the West’s ability to mount an effective defence.

Israeli writer Nir Dvori points out that the attack took place 650 km inside Saudi territory. “It proved measured Power Utilization - Sending two types of weapons that achieved accurate hits.” It also demonstrated superb intelligence capability – “both in identifying and selecting targets and in selecting the attack route and the military.” Apparently, neither the cruise missiles nor the drones were detected and no attempt was made to intercept them before the attack. Which really means that despite the Saudis’ multi- billion dollar investment in Western weaponry and air defense systems, their sky is far from protected.

In the last few years Israel has prioritized its efforts to counter Iran’s ballistic and drone projects. It seems Israel knew what it had to dread. The recent attack on the Saudi oil industry proved that the West has not developed an adequate response to Iranian precision missiles, slow moving cruise missiles or drone technology. This alone explains why, despite Israel’s persistent threats to attack Iran directly, it has been reluctant to do so. Israel knows how vulnerable it is and well understands the possible dramatic consequences of such an attack. Israel knows that although its anti missile system, which cost the American taxpayers billions of dollars, may be somewhat effective against German V2 ballistic technology, its system is ineffective against what Iran has at their disposal.

This helps explain why Israel wants America and NATO to attack Iran on its behalf. It may explain why Israel might consider doing whatever it can to provoke such a conflict- everything from intensive Lobby pressure to possible false flag operations.

Donald Trump seems miraculously to have gathered how volatile the situation is. As a consequence, he exited his prime hawk, John Bolton. Might Trump find himself booted out of his 1600 Pennsylvania Ave as a result of his reluctance to fight Israel’s war against Iran?

The character, uniqueness and success of the Iranian attack - worries Israel and the world

By Nir Dvori

https://www.mako.co.il/

The Iranian attack on Saudi oil facilities was of great significance and is of particular concern [to Israel]. The attack was [the first of its kind] and proved that the Iranians are capable and possess both the knowledge and the ability to hurt and cut [Saudi] oil production by nearly fifty percent. At the same time, the Saudis have already begun to rebuild the buildings damaged by the Iranian bombing

The attack on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia has been a warning for the West and Israel - the effects of this attack are extremely concerning. This [technological] ability that can be used against Israel requires that [Israel] prepare its security system to respond to such a threat. Israeli officials analyzed the outcome of the attack and reached several conclusions : The attack demonstrated both impressive design and execution, the results were painful and cut Saudi oil production by 50%, and likely affected gas production as well.

The attacks were carried out with only two weapon types :The first were 7 Quds cruise missiles driven by a Czech jet engine, 3 of which fell before they reached their target; the second weapons were 18 suicide drones, an Iranian replica of the "Rafi" – an Israeli suicide drone.

The attack was significant on a few levels:

The attack was carried out at a relatively long range - at a distance of 650 km.????

It proved measured Power Utilization - Sending two types of weapons that each achieved accurate hits.

Iran has also demonstrated its intelligence capability - both in identifying and selecting targets and in selecting the attack route and its execution.

Apparently neither the cruise missiles nor the drones were detected and no attempt was made to intercept them before the attack.

Iran’s ability to penetrate the Saudi air defense system, despite the billions of dollars spent and deployed to defend the area, was shown by its failure against the small, slow-moving assault weapons.

Impressive and unprecedented impact accuracy of less than 3 meters. The fragments of the Iranian cruise missiles have been identified as among the derivatives of the 55-KH missiles that Ukraine delivered to Iran in 2001.

The nature of the Iranian attack has embarrassed the Western intelligence community. It turned out that Iran, a country with average technological capabilities, has developed medium and long range missiles that are accurate and effective. This basically undermines the very existence of the regulatory bodies which assumes that denying access to technology can impede, or prevent such technologies being obtained.

The attack is proof of Iran’s operational potential that relies on technological capabilities, intelligence infrastructure and coordination, leading to the conclusion that the Western monopoly on precision-guided armaments has evaporated. The countries of the entire region and Israel have learned a lesson: Discovery and interception systems do not provide a proper countermeasure to new regional threats.

It is necessary to deal with cruise missiles, slow drones and hovercraft. The ranges reached by Iran this time - 650 km - would allow damage to any point in Israel from western Iraq.

https://gilad.online/writings/2019/1...ian-technology

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Saudi Arabia gives 'green light' for talks with Iran

Official in Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi's office confirms Baghdad has channels with both sides and is seeking to arrange meeting

Saudi Arabia has given a green light to Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi to arrange a meeting with Iran as a first step towards de-escalating tensions in the region, Middle East Eye can reveal.

Abbas al-Hasnawi, an official in the prime minister's office, told MEE on Tuesday that Abdul Mahdi was mediating between the leaderships in Riyadh and Tehran and had communicated each side's conditions for talks to the other.

Hasnawi was speaking after a spokesperson for the Iranian government said on Monday that Saudi Arabia had sent messages to Iranian President Hassan Rouhani via “the leaders of some countries”.

Hasnawi confirmed to MEE that Abdul Mahdi was acting as an intermediary with the aim of easing tensions since attacks on Saudi oil facilities blamed on Iran earlier this month appeared to have tilted the Gulf rivals closer to open conflict.

'Channels with both sides'

"The Iraqi leadership has channels with both sides. Our Sunni brothers [in the government] liaise with the Saudis and our Shia brothers with the Iranians," he said.

"The Saudis have conditions before the negotiations process starts and the same with Iranians. We have liaised these conditions to each side. It is not an easy task to get together two opposite sides in terms of their ideology, sect and their alliances in the region."

Hasnawi said Abdul Mahdi had called for a meeting between Saudi Arabia and Iran which the Iraqi government would supervise and mediate, with Baghdad as its preferred venue.

"The Saudis have given the green light in this matter, and Mr Abdul Mahdi is working on it," said Hasnawi, adding that Saudi Arabia, including Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, had "calmed their rhetoric" in recent days.

Hasnawi said that the US government had also approved negotiations between the two sides. Falih Alfayyadh, Iraq's advisor for national security, is currently in Washington to discuss a timeline for the meetings, he added.

"If there will be a potential deal in the region that includes Yemen, Syria and Iraq, the Americans have no problem with that," Hasnawi said.

Abdul Mahdi was last week in Jeddah for talks with the Saudi crown prince.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/e...alks-with-Iran